📚lore-discussion

[slow berry]

which is for, you know

[queen swallow]

You've got about 19 more hours to wait

[slow berry]

discussion of spoilers

[river surge]

Nah bro #1445139275044622337 is full on ragebaiting and now lowman raiding

[river surge]

Yep

[knotty musk]

have there been any instances of non-guardians wielding the light. not hive lightbearers or ghaul. non-ghost sources of light

[slim girder]

The eliksni did back in their own golden age

[mortal wind]

I believe the Eliksni Splicers manipulate it somewhat

[slim girder]

Not in the way we used it but more for creating powerful tonics and stuff like that

[mortal wind]

Uh idk ada-1's lore but I think she was created with light too

[slim girder]

Ada was not created through light. She is the daughter of the black armoury founder and was put into an experimental exo body

[mortal wind]

And why was it experimental?

[slim girder]

Wasn't complete iirc and we even had to grab an extra piece for her from the niobe labs

[slow berry]

It also lacks a lot of the humanizing elements of other Exo bodies iirc

because Ada doesn't suffer from Exomind Rejection

[hard sigil]

she's a walking weapon foundry. the Obsidian Accelerator allows her to craft and infuse weapons with the Phase technology that black armoury weapons use with her bare hands

it's also the only exo frame with an actual mouth that moves

[eager trout]

Was the Archon delusional or just really committed to the bit?

[slow berry]

the archon was legit (and is legit) souped up on dark matter

[eager trout]

Why don't I remember her mouth-?

[frigid sparrow]

he was hyped up on dark matter fungus

he was literally connected to all of house exile

[eager trout]

So basically...the EoF campaign is just us antagonizing some guy who's high on psychic fungus and hallucinated a whole prophecy?

[dim minnow]

you know what, I'm wondering if one of the Nine was manipulating him

[eager trout]

That's what I got from everything

Sounded like it had been III who gave him the "prophecy"

[frigid sparrow]

wouldn't make sense

for one, III is dead

[eager trout]

Long ago, that is

[frigid sparrow]

two, III wants us to win

the singularity advent, had Levaszk succeeded, would've killed us all

[eager trout]

He did "worship" III though (in a weird way)

Though, if one of the Nine did manipulate him, why not just manipulate it so he has a certain win?

[shy remnant]

It would be more likely that one of the outer orbits manipulated him

[eager trout]

We already know the Nine can manipulate fate itself

Also, why is he so stubborn and stupid? Like, he called us liars and cheaters when we were winning

[frigid sparrow]

holay molay concept art

when we inevitably fight him again we gotta see him like this

[eager trout]

Isn't he dead, tho?

[frigid sparrow]

nope, sieve confirms he's alive

the prophet of the giver that we fight was simply the body he hosted

which made sense as that was the most ether-fed exile we faced

[eager trout]

I haven't been able to play it properly, only on an old laptop that's only strong enough for me to move while looking at the ground and occasionally use abilities

So what is the Archon, then?

[frigid sparrow]

Levaszk

[slow berry]

I thought that was the idea, but i also thought he might have been getting mindbended by like seeing across time on his own

[frigid sparrow]

his consciousness

he's basically like calus in season of the haunted

[eager trout]

I didn't play that season

I doubt it was only the dark matter that made him like that

[frigid sparrow]

calus mended his consciousness within the leviathan through the egregore fungus that was spread throughout

the dark matter is what made him like that

the fungus was tainting the ether supply

[eager trout]

So definitely either the Nine, or Darkness (seeing how the House of Exile uses the Darkeness subclasses)

[eager trout]

Weird that both cases involve fungus

I guess that does fit how fungus is thought to work like some sort of hive mind

[frigid sparrow]

not really, fungus is typically associated with that kind of hive mind state

[eager trout]

Wasn't it discovered that it wasn't the fungus and the Exiles are just religious fanatics?

[dim minnow]

it's not really that easy so just guarantee an outcome

[frigid sparrow]

they're fanatics because of levaszk

whose consciousness is spread throughout them because of the fungus

[dim minnow]

especially when you have other members of the Nine who want the opposite of what you want

if VI was trying to make the Singularity go boom, then he has to somehow get through the remaining Inner Orbits who are trying to make it not do that (plus some Outer Orbits might not want that)

the Outer Orbits did want the singularity, but I don't think they would want to risk killing themselves as well

[frigid sparrow]

also, levaszk was kind of an asshole opportunist

No Archon, no Kell, no hand on the docking blade. None of us hungrier for Ether than a Baron. This is what we said. This is what we believed. If Exile has a creed, it is this: we will not be led.

But if Levaszk my friend tells me that we must have an Archon to make our Gift-Ether, how can I say no?

[eager trout]

That reminds me, Lodi referred to one of the Nine as "him" (not sure where), why?

[frigid sparrow]

he made everyone drink the kool-aid and proclaimed himself an archon when everyone was too out of themselves to contest his rule

[dim minnow]

it seems he/him is used for VI

[eager trout]

Ah

[dim minnow]

not sure if it's the same for all Nine or if they have specific pronouns

like maybe III is she/her

[frigid sparrow]

"The Prime Archon Levaszk is the savior of his people," I say, and when I speak it is in Levaszk's voice.

[eager trout]

Would make a lot of sense given Earth

Btw, what's the name Levazsk gave to III in English?

[hard sigil]

the Giver

[eager trout]

Ah

Is it just me or names in English seem to be more simple?

[hard sigil]

yeah probably

[eager trout]

In Spanish it's "el Donante", which means the Donator

[hard sigil]

English has a nice quality of being a very vague language so simpler names allow for more implications

[eager trout]

Taken are called Possessed

The rest are translated literally

Except Dread, which are called Horrors

Oh, and Awoken which are Insomnes

Ok, there's a lot that are different

Glimmer is much better, Lumen

That reminds me I love how the Taken shader is called Nothing Given

[slow berry]

It's based on what the rest of the nine are based on which is the enneagram theory of personalities

[eager trout]

That's not...what I asked about

Though what is based on that exactly?

[slow berry]

Well, its based on the enneagram, which is a theory about personalities being a combination of nine aspects

The closest thing to "The Giver" would be the Helper

[dim minnow]

I'm kinda putting the enneagram theory away for now

just not enough to go off of

[slow berry]

They specifically said enneagram during on of the vidocs i think

i might be misremembering

Just something to keep in mind, there is just so much they can do with the concepts

I don't think it's a coincidence at least

[queen swallow]

Enneagram is also a shape, isn’t it?

Like, it doesn’t specifically have to refer to the test and instead just a collection of nine things

[trim grotto]

good news, lore gang
i have proven that a beard can persist through resurrections
truly we are making strides in covering lore today

[hard sigil]

a mystery for the ages solved

[trim grotto]

i am feeling silly enough about this that i'm turning it into a reddit post

i am That Guy™ today

[river surge]

When can we talk about

Stuff from the expansion here?

[river surge]

[trim grotto]

i fat fingered a key and deleted the reddit post by closing my entire browser

truly i am a of all time

[trim grotto]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyLore/comments/1pepsis/resurrection_templates_and_hirsute_strikers_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

well i did it
for some reason

[modern lodge]

I literally just read that

Didn't even clock it was yoy

[trim grotto]

I don't post often but when I do it's

[little relic]

Would the full reveal of ||The Ghoul|| be considered spoilers?

[trim grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-dead-dove-i-dont-know-what-i-expected-gif-13420229

[little relic]

Ah so it is. Woops. Will try not to mention the certain thing in Renegades.

Stupid question, I know 😭

[pseudo pebble]

Noticed that the Praxic blade description has it named a “Weapon of Hope” in upper case

It’s like Lumina?

[queen swallow]

I don't see how

[modern lodge]

How did we create lumina again?

I forgot what happened in that quest eons ago

[trim grotto]

A rather lengthy process of purifying the original Thorn, reverting it to Rose, and infusing it with our own Light to become Lumina.

[modern lodge]

How many copies of thorn are out there?

I have one, bael had one

I assume vale has one or another weapon of sorrow?

[trim grotto]

We made our own, as did all of the original Dredgens/Shadows.

An intentional ritual designed to create and control the sickness of Thorn. Dangerous, but manageable.

As for Shin... not according to the lore I know, no. He used to have the original Thorn but destroyed it. We found it, made Lumina.

If I am wrong, it is due to new lore.

[slim girder]

We didn't really find it he gave it to us. There were even hive runes on the inside of the chest to stop it from possibly talking to anyone

As for the replicas it is a dark ritual but they don't possess the corruptive power or guardian killing draining abilities of the original. Just the power and hunger of it which to some can be addicting due to a guardians nature of seeking power

[pseudo pebble]

they just threw in that weapon of hope description for the blade ig

sucks we won’t know why

[queen swallow]

It's probably just another nod to A New Hope

[slim girder]

Yeah it couldn't be a weapon of hope like lumina is because lumina is at least if thorn is anything to go by a weapon that instead of darkness has been bathed (couldn't think of a better word) in light and instead of destroy, it heals.

Things like maybe osteo striga or necrochasm could be turned into weapons of hope as they were originally regular weapons from my understanding

No confirmation on osteo but necrochasm has been confirmed to have been a regular auto rifle that was twisted by the hive

[hard sigil]

osteo was created by a warlock who got corrupted by a thorn copy she was studying

[trim grotto]

Retro meant whether Osteo was converted from a regular weapon or not as opposed to constructed from the ground up.

The former is more in line with classic Weapons of Sorrow.

[slim girder]

Osteos shape looks like a veist SMG which has then changed due to its owner Jana 14 feeding the bones of her victims to it.

[broken relic]

Wasn't Aunor mentioned to be brown skinned

[trim grotto]

He turned to look, and saw a woman: brown-skinned, crooked-nosed, with intelligent eyes and a hard stare. She wore a black duster, and light armor underneath. A Warlock.

[broken relic]

Yeah that's what I was thinking of

So they whitewashed her?

[trim grotto]

It has been stated that she was always intended to be, and was designed as, Filipino.

I wouldn't say her nose was crooked, but the skin tone seems accurate, given that context.

[slim girder]

Her ghost bahaghari is also Filipino and translates to "rainbow"

[broken relic]

I suppose palewashed is a more accurate term there are plenty of darker skinned filipinos

[trim grotto]

There's a skin tone spectrum, certainly. Her depiction is not what I would have imagined from the description. Nevertheless, the statement says the model was designed to be Filipino.

[golden wolf]

was there any particular reason that Anna Bray could understand Rasputin? or was it just that she new Russian?

[slim girder]

Because she's the one who taught him what he knows and how to be "human". And as a guardian she rediscovered all of that by investigating her past.

[inner turret]

Tbh I’m hoping eventually we get to see what our guardian went through before becoming a guardian

Before our first death before our ghost, how did we even fend ourselves off from the fallen on the cosmodrome during that period

[hard sigil]

we probably didnt

judging by the fact we wake up on a car, we probably died during the collapse trying to get to an exodus shuttle

[jagged badge]

That’s not possible if you’re an Awoken, mind

[hard sigil]

oh true

hrm

there's plenty evidence for regular people beating eliknsi anyway

[slim girder]

Yeah awoken guardians got a bit of a timeline hole

[sick yew]

Unlikely considering we are supposed to be a blank slate

[inner turret]

Ahh fairs

[sick yew]

Plus its not like it really matters for us as the character

The whole point of a guardian (excluding Crow and Ana Bray) is that it doesn't matter who they were

And even both of those exceptions are regularly reminded they're not who they were before the resurrection

[slim girder]

Amanda holiday long ago during the quest for thunderlord made suggestions about what we might have been before becoming a guardian but there will most likely be no answer ever

[inner turret]

See those too were too curious for their own good

[sick yew]

Well in Anas defense she did wake up with her id card still attached

And Crow got the shit beaten out of him after wandering the tangled shore and meeting another guardian

[inner turret]

That is fair tbh, but it kinda damaged her relationship with Elizabeth/the stranger if I remember correctly, and crow stopped trusting himself around the vanguard for a while cause of Zavala being untrustworthy only when he saved zavalas life did he get accepted

[sick yew]

Crows trust issues go back way further

[hard sigil]

got used by spider for a while

[sick yew]

Again he was a new light and after randomly coming across another lightbearer they recognized the face and beat him up
He started wearing a mask or helmet from then on despite not even knowing why he was hated

[inner turret]

Yeaa they do, after the whole riven fiasco of being manipulated and then after becoming a guardian for used by spider for a while

[hard sigil]

and then finally getting his memory restored by savvy

[sick yew]

Still a bit stupid imo but oh well

[inner turret]

He started to want to know cause riven got in his ear again during season of the wish when we semi revived her to find out her egg locations

[jagged badge]

Wdym by that first part?

[inner turret]

Ana found out who the stranger was and started questioning her on why she got abandoned and shit like that

[slim girder]

Crows was beaten up by almost every guardian he ran a across, had his ghost held hostage by spider and then even when he was in the city he was told to always have his mask on.
Then after being discovered everyone else knew him but he had no idea why everyone else was always strange around him.
And then savathun taking advantage of that uncertainty tells him absolutely about who he was and what he did.

[inner turret]

She didn’t quite like her response if I remember correctly

[slim girder]

This isn't true. Savathun was the one that got in his ear during season of the lost.

Crow already knew who he was well before he met riven again in season of the wish

[inner turret]

Ykw you’re right mb sorry Ian play this game in a while so a bit confused on some things

[inner turret]

I noticed when season of the wish ended and crow ran into cayde he was very hesitant to take caydes hand considering what he did in his past life before being a guardian so he didn’t know how he’d feel

[rich wharf]

Hello, lore people, i was sented here by a gentlemen called @celest pendant and said i could get my lore questions awnsered here, so here i am. i recently got into the destiny lore but dont know much about it, i wanted to play the whole destiny 2 storyline from "the red war" and onwards but came to the conclusion that thats not available anymore, so i thought i would learn some lore myself to get more emotion out of playing destiny. now death told me it would be wise to look up a youtuber called. "my name is byf" and learn some things there. and here is my question. is the video "The complete story of destiny......." a good start to learn much about the lore?

[slim girder]

Well yeah both were pretty surprised to find each other and even cayde was contemplating murdering crow in his sleep while they were in the pale heart before we arrived.

[jagged badge]

A lot of people use that video. Byf is certainly the most popular lore creator in the community

I can’t personally speak to it since I don’t watch him though

[slim girder]

Yes.
But I'd recommend you watch in parts because 24 hours of lore is not something I'd recommend you take in at once

[inner turret]

As cayde would contemplate that, all things considered he got killed by his own gun he called his son

[hard sigil]

unless you're awesome and cool

[rich wharf]

ah yes makes sence, though the video is 10 hours i see. is there something im missing?

[slim girder]

Wait sry idk why but my brain was thinking it was 24 lol

[rich wharf]

oh dont worry about it. i thought maybe there where more parts to it, since i saw he had more "cronological" playlists

[slim girder]

But my point still stands it is a good video if you really want absolutely everything from start to where we were before the edge of fate expansion

Whole light and dark saga.

[rich wharf]

i do want that. since i played destiny 1 as a little man not knowing anything about lore or something, and i had an older guy that thought me everything about the game, so ill revisit old memories with that video i think then

[slim girder]

Have fun and if there are any more questions then feel free to ask here.

[rich wharf]

i will, thanks for the welcome. appriciate it

[full pendant]

Can someone elaborate how Eris is alive again

I thought she got killed in Heresy

[hard sigil]

because of our actions in the Season of the Witch and her transformation into the hive god of vengeance and subsequent killing of Savathûn, she gained enough power from the sword logic to form a throne world

so she's immortal* again

[slim girder]

She didn't know she had a throne world until she "died"

[full pendant]

Ahhh

[slim girder]

So even she was bit surprised to still be alive. Even tapping herself on the chest to make sure she was real

[full pendant]

My friend said when I asked for an update before Renegades like

That she was stuck in the throne world bc of the triad thing

Whatever it wss again

[jagged badge]

I’m guessing you only played the opening to that episode?

[full pendant]

I never even did lmao

[jagged badge]

Ah

[full pendant]

I was gone during the episodes

My friend played em and I asked ab an update from him

[slim girder]

She was there for a while but eventually she could reenter the physical world.

[full pendant]

Ah fair fair

He probably missed that tidbit, bc he was also surprised to see Eris again in Renegades

[slim girder]

That's really how hive gods work. They die, sit in their throne world and then re emerge later.

Eris was more interested in exploring her new throne as well

[full pendant]

Yeah thats what I thought bc he had explained Oryxs whole ordeal to me

But then he backtracked ab Eris and said she couldnt come back from the Throne World

[hard sigil]

not on her own

[full pendant]

So I had gotten confused

[hard sigil]

we used shards of willbreaker, Oryx's sword, to help cut her out of the ascendant plane

(alongside a ritual to help manifest her back into real space)

[full pendant]

Fair enough

Im assuming that was necessary bc she yknow

Isnt actually hive?

Actually why doesnt she look the way she did in Heresy

I liked her Hive look

[hard sigil]

it was temporary

[full pendant]

Awful

They took a baddie from us

[hard sigil]

technically if we were to tithe to her again it might be possible for her to reattain that form

[slim girder]

It was only for the ritual needed to fight xivu arath. She took all that power, used it to banish xivu from her throne world and then rejected all of it.
She committed heresy to the sword logic and reverted back.
She's still capable of accepting tithes though as the hive god if vengeance and uses that magic even now in renegades

Her throne is also a way she can speak to the nine even

[full pendant]

Oh heah the entire

[slim girder]

<@&1019968308973416448> get em

[full pendant]

'VI, ATONE FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSION'

[hard sigil]

ah yes my favourite member of the nine, eleven

[dense pike]

snipergodd3 has been banned!

[full pendant]

Wait

Ah wmb

VI*

I was typing about the IX all day

And love doing the roman numerals

[jagged badge]

That was in Season of the Witch, not Heresy

[full pendant]

Ah

[jagged badge]

She gave up/used up that power at the end of Witch’s story

[full pendant]

Awful

But then again makes sense

[jagged badge]

The spell she cast to banish Xivu from her Throne went against Sword Logic

[full pendant]

Because of the entire dark timeline stuff

Doesnt Eris kill Xivu in the dark timeline?

[jagged badge]

And her whole thing was denouncing it and using its power just for her own means

[slim girder]

We have no idea what that whole timeline would even be

[full pendant]

I thought there were tidbits about it

Like Eris killing Xivu being a major thing

Ah nvm

It just says Eris controls darkness forces in the dark one

Never says if she killed anyone for that

[slim girder]

The dark timeline was really a bunch of stuff that Elsie bray/the stranger had seen in her time trying to stop the black fleet/witness.
Her sister turned on her, eris is evil, the city falls

But since then we have done so much and averted that future through killing the witness.

The outer orbit members of the nine are our current threats rn with IIIs death starting a chain reaction that is supposed to lead to extinction and with our only instruction being to "bind the nine" in order to stop it.

[full pendant]

Yerpp

And RENEGADES SPOILER ||the current hypothesis is binding the IX to people, same way VI bound himself to Bael||

I wonder who wants to volunteer with the way The IX REALLY dont like talking through anyone who isnt Lodi

[hard sigil]

might want to spoiler that

[full pendant]

OH MB

Thought this was the spoiler channel

[slim girder]

Yeee prolly best to limit the nine talk a lil until the spoiler embargo is lifted

[hard sigil]

it's two hours until it's lifted anyway

[full pendant]

Truth

I fidn the personalities of the 9 funny

Less coherent the further you go from the sun

[hard sigil]

they're meant to be comparable to the enneagram

[full pendant]

Enneagram?

[hard sigil]

a personality matrix

with conveniently Nine main traits to scale off of

[full pendant]

Cewl

[hard sigil]

and conveniently one is called the Giver.

[full pendant]

Which one was III?

Or did they not really tie that

[hard sigil]

Levaszk called III the giver throughout eof

[full pendant]

Ah I havent done EOF yet lmao

I was told it was mid and I shouldnt spend my money on it

So im running through the campaign during the free week

[hard sigil]

honestly don't know what one I'd assign the others to. IX is certainly the Boss

[full pendant]

Would VI be the Motivator?

[hard sigil]

it's not that bad. it's just the second half of the campaign relies on matterspark more than it has to, and the release portal didn't help the opinions

from a narrative perspective it was great though

[hard sigil]

honestly maybe questioner

[full pendant]

How come?

I believe the Motivator purely bc he keeps trying to yknow

|| Motivate Bael to work for him and use his worl against the City||

But thats a very surface level view

[hard sigil]

because of his questionable beliefs. haha.

[full pendant]

Heh

[hard sigil]

maybe observer? ||he observed the echo of the navigator and the dreadnaught in his orbit which led to his plan of using sword logic to escape the material plane||

[rich wharf]

does anyone know what this is?

i think it stands for the veil

but what is the sun looking thing above the veil and all thats around it

i can see the coralation but i wonder what all thats around it is

[slim girder]

It's a mural that I believe is actually supposed to represent the two suns of rhulks home world lubrae

[river surge]

Yes

[slim girder]

Rhulks pyramid has a bunch of reminders of his home and it's how we already know a fair amount about him and his past.

[river surge]

Also noted in the mural u can see stasis and strand

[river surge]

One thing I loved about him is that he was a collector

[rich wharf]

what part is stasis and what is the strand?

[river surge]

Right side u can see the 3 symbols

one is for stasis and one for strand

thats how people theorized the existence of strand in Witch Queen

[slim girder]

Far right side.
Not confirmed ofc but these are thought to represent the 2 darkness subclasses

[river surge]

Yeah

[rich wharf]

ahhhh i get it

[slim girder]

And that 3rd one is why a lot of people believe resonance is supposed to be a subclass

[rich wharf]

thats why they stand on the dark side of the veil right

[slim girder]

Yes but again we don't actually have any confirmation what this mural is supposed to be. It's just a lot of imagery with a lot of familiar looking shapes

[rich wharf]

well allot to discuss about then hahaha

[river surge]

Nah its was just a foreshadowing basically

People saw this and started theorizing over it

[rich wharf]

ah okay

makes sence

[river surge]

Also Strand was supposed to appear in Witch Queen campaign but got delayed till Lightfall

and thats how people saw this and started to theorize that the upper symbol represents strand

again it was just a foreshadowing thing that was left in mystery

[slim girder]

No it wasn't. This has been debunked by bungie

[river surge]

Wait really?

[slim girder]

Yes.

[river surge]

Oh crap

[slim girder]

Just because the expansion was green didn't mean strand was going to be there.
Even that symbol on the warlock chest piece people think is the same as the logo for needlestorm it isn't the same.

[river surge]

Wasnt there some leak drama going on

I wasnt playing that much in that time

but someone told me that there was a leaking drama that basically leaked strand

before lightfall

[slim girder]

There was a lot of theories going around.
Lightfalls controversy also fueled the whole strand witch queen theory.

[river surge]

Oh

So it was basically just a mess that got turned into reality basically

[slim girder]

A mess that turned into a fire and then claims just poured more fuel onto it

[river surge]

I think this will happen with ||Eclipse|| too

[slim girder]

HUGE stretch but I'll leave it at that until we're all clear to talk about renegades

[river surge]

Yeah

[slow berry]

since her shoddy shotgun got reprised i remembered

has hawthorne been in any way shape or form been relevanat since release red war where she also wasnt very relevant

[river surge]

Lets talk about it

[slim girder]

Eclipse isn't a darkness subclass. It's a gift from VI and despite the nines abilities they are not paracausal.

[river surge]

Ik that

Its better than both light and darkness combined

cause it literally supresses them

[slow berry]

that's

not how that works

[river surge]

not suppresses but negates them fully

[slim girder]

It doesn't suppress. It straight up nullifies it.

[river surge]

mhm

[slim girder]

"Hollows out" as Bael says

[river surge]

So its better than both light and darkness

can we wield this power

no

[slim girder]

It's worse than both.
Because all it can do is completely neutralise 2 forces that make up pretty much the fabric of the universe in Destiny.
Lume has it running through his armour so it can be used as an energy source but it is extremely volatile.

[river surge]

But neutralising ur opponent ability is indeed a win con

The way I see this is that if someone wield this type of power against me as a Guardian for example, he has better chance at killing me cause he literally has a better win condition

If he neutralises my powers and my Ghost cannot operate with my Guardian anymore its over basically

[slim girder]

Not how it works. It doesn't neutralise and leave you standing like say the ghost suppressor the psions have used.
One burst from this thing will kill a guardian in a very agonising way as we saw.

[river surge]

So its far worse basically

Understood

VI could literally erase us

wow

[queen walrus]

I was so hyped when i saw that the yellow lightsaber had some sort of praxic quest associated with it. I thought wed have a blade color to flex actually liking the praxic lore and not just doin stuf for them for a lightsaber. Alas its just a random ass bounty, no depth to it at all. Man im playing the wrong game if i want lore respected holy smokes.

[rich wharf]

sorry to interupt but im learning more and more now, and i just thought about the traveller leaving alle places that its being chased by the black fleed and will not come back since it will search for a new safe heaven, but it left earth as well now, so will we live without the traveller now or?

[slim girder]

He couldn't no. The nine always need someone else to carry things out.
This is why they require emissaries and people like bael.
They can't exist in our dimension.

All they can do is look at the timeline and cook up schemes to change fate to their needs

[slow berry]

it hasn't left earth?

it's in orbit around it right now

[river surge]

I know that, what I was trying to say is that he could grant someone the power to erase us

[slow berry]

it rose up to face the darkness, as a lore tab puts it

[river surge]

with his powers

[slim girder]

And he did. But we stopped it

[river surge]

Yes

[slim girder]

The traveler is still very much with us.
As of now it's in a bit of a "sleep" state after the battle with the witness and while it's healing from all the damage done to it by the witness.
It still has a giant hole in it leading to the pale heart and is bleeding light and dark into open space.

But the traveler is safe for the time being.

[rich wharf]

ah okay

thanks for clearing it up

[ember storm]

Traveler was only ever close to the city because it basically had to rest after the collapse and we built the city under it

[tight inlet]

I just had a weird thought.
What if there are hive In old Chicago, but since there are weird things happening across earth because of three's death, the organics of the hive worms change, and might evolve into something new and use the hive stomachs as cocoons to evolve. I'm just spitt balling, but it's an interesting theory for what might be the monster under old Chicago?

[celest pendant]

What is coolest lore weapon in the game?

[rich wharf]

wow i didnt know this was a piece of the traveller in EDZ, so cool you can actualy see it

[dim minnow]

That is a very subjective answer

You got Graviton Lance which shoots black holes, Gjallarhorn which is a rocket launcher forged from the armor of Guardians who fell at Twilight Gap, Deathbringer which was created with the power of the deathsong, and even Vex Mythoclast which has one of the hardest lore tabs in the game

It depends on what you believe is coolest

[celest pendant]

So

[celest pendant]

I cant answer since idk all the lore

Could read it

But theres so many guns

Rather have some lore pro just tell me

[dim minnow]

Problem is this is a question I can't really answer for you

Because as I said, it's subjective

[celest pendant]

Okay what about for u

[dim minnow]

Well, Vex Mythoclast has my favorite lore tab

[celest pendant]

Okay thanks

[rich wharf]

thats kinda the problem for me

see i also wanna become a lore pro but im as dyslexic as a human could be

[ember storm]

my favorite lore tab is Jade Rabbit because it mentions the existence of medication guardians take to deal with their existential dread

completely unrelated to the gun itself i have no idea why it's there

[slow berry]

i believe the idea is its also a Daito product

[deft geode]

wth even is the traveler in this game? a god?

[frigid sparrow]

we don't know what it is

it is godlike

[jagged badge]

The earliest information we have on its origin is that it was found beneath the crust of the Witness’ homeworld. It’s a sentient being with thoughts and motives and agendas that we know of (and plenty that we are definitely unaware of because it’s a very complex and unknowable being)

[trim grotto]

You could call it a god, though the term is rather subjective on Destiny's case.

[deft geode]

nah bro fuck ts

uk what it is?

[jagged badge]

This can’t be good

[deft geode]

what

i cant say that on here?

wait u are a mod u could have alr muted

[jagged badge]

No I just mean you’re crashing out for some reason, so I can’t imagine what you’re about to say is going to be good

[deft geode]

hm 🤔

[jagged badge]

What’s the problem?

[deft geode]

oh

[frigid sparrow]

[deft geode]

acording to zavala

in the final shape

it is a god

[frigid sparrow]

zavala is a questionable source

[jagged badge]

What’s your point?

[frigid sparrow]

he's had numerous crises of faith

[deft geode]

he said that bro

[jagged badge]

Some people see the Traveler as a quote unquote “god”. But that term doesn’t really have an objective meaning

[trim grotto]

Hang on I'm still in bed, I just woke up. Give me a moment to get the computer in gear.

[deft geode]

nah nothing can control a god

ts aint a god

its just a powerful being

with great powers

[jagged badge]

Like we said, “god” is a very subjective term in most fiction, Destiny included

[deft geode]

but i wouldnt really refer to it as smth like that

yeah

[jagged badge]

The Hive Gods for example

[trim grotto]

The term is subjective by that which worships it.

[deft geode]

there is hive gods? oh like savathun

[deft geode]

nah nah i dont think its like that

[jagged badge]

They are called such because of their importance to the Hive and their pantheon. But what makes them a god? They are powerful and they are worshipped

[slow berry]

Just in this expansion, Lodi and Eris have a conversation and Eris talks about both of them being gods, as well.

it's a very loose term

[frigid sparrow]

reminder that both of these characters are technically gods

[deft geode]

istg theese days ppl take the term "god" as a joke

[slow berry]

well it doesnt actually really have a concrete meaning so

even in our actual human world irl

[deft geode]

just refer to it as an elite being and call it a day i think saying "god" esclates the whole thing

[slow berry]

it has always just sort of meant "has some form of dominion or control over something or other" in most cultures

[deft geode]

yh prob

[slow berry]

with a lot of cultures having dozens or hundreds or gods

so y'know

[deft geode]

i just hate how lightly that term is taken

[slow berry]

when you scale it to "hey there's actually universal life outside the planet" then yeah theres gonna be even more and more varied gods

[slow berry]

its a light term imo

[deft geode]

how is god a light term when it is used for the almighty and powerful

[frigid sparrow]

we kill gods

[deft geode]

are we dead serious?

[slow berry]

like in the context of here, Aksis is by all means a god by Eliksni standards where machines are venerated and Servitors are holy entities, and Xivu Arath is by all means a God by virtue of being part of the Hive Pantheon, and so would Eris Morn.

[frigid sparrow]

one of our titles is literally "Godslayer"

[trim grotto]

Because it is only used for that in particular religions. In many religions even in real life, Gods are fallible. Gods can even die.

It is as subjective in real life as it is in Destiny.

[slow berry]

shoutout to the mahabharata where there's a fuck ton of gods and a fuck ton of them die

[deft geode]

oh hell no taking this thing to beliefs gives too much answers

[deft geode]

why which "god" did u slay

[frigid sparrow]

I mean, if you want the traditional Eliksni answer, the travler is a god

the "great machine," or "machine god"

[trim grotto]

Here's an example.

The Hive worship the Hive Gods, those of their own species who became Ascendant through the Sword Logic. They also worship and call upon the Worm Gods, ancient beings of strong paracausal power, they who transformed the Hive in the first place.

Now, we have slain parts of both of these groups. We've slain Hive Gods and Worm Gods. Would we describe them as gods? No. But the Hive worship them, and through worship, they are considered Gods to the Hive.

[frigid sparrow]

savathun at least a dozen times

[deft geode]

well

i dont think

u know what

[slow berry]

like, off the top of my mind, things that are actively called gods? oryx, savathun a few times, aksis, xol

i've also put a few gods in a gun

shit i don't think they ever actually call the witness a god and that was about to like

finalize the universe

[trim grotto]

One could argue that if Savathun was a god, then so was its Worm Parasite.

[slow berry]

yeah that was what i meant by putting into a gun

we do fr just be having that guy in the chamber

[frigid sparrow]

mara did that not you

[slow berry]

okay fair

i did put oryx into a gun though

that was all us i thought

[frigid sparrow]

ehh sorta yeah sorta nah

[deft geode]

how is a god that ppl worship just put into a gun

this is mad stupid

[slow berry]

okay so you start by killing it

[deft geode]

thats worse bro

[jagged badge]

Genuinely don’t understand why you’re reacting this way to this lmao

[deft geode]

it pmo

[slow berry]

but you actually start by the god you killed having made it so they could be turned into a weapon first

so then you just like

put it into a gun

the idea is that its supposed to feed after death from the people you kill but instead the gun sucks ass

[jagged badge]

It’s really not a big deal that fictional media uses the term “god” in different contexts

[slow berry]

so its vaulted forever

did the echo of navigation count as a god again

or like a baby god

[frigid sparrow]

I think you're taking this too much into the context of the traditional contexts of "God" that's worshipped by many religions irl

[slow berry]

the eliksni worship their servitors and sure enough i'm blasting through them all the time

[slim girder]

It really doesn't have to tho. It's just the lore of the game

[frigid sparrow]

√god

[slow berry]

they refer to the nine as gods as well and aint no one worshipping those clowns

ultimately its just a word

[trim grotto]

The Traveler is a being of mysterious origin. Unveiling would have us believe it's the manifestation of a pre-existence concept, though what we know for sure is that its shell contains electroweak material, a theoretical material from the Big Bang.

It is a terraformer of worlds, an uplifter of species. It is a caring being tending to its 'gardens', not seeking worship, but simply the complexity of life. It is also, bar that which exists naturally throughout the universe, the source of the paracausal power of Light.

After the climax of the Collapse, the Traveler created the Ghosts. Through them, we have our immortality and power and our new life after death.

[slow berry]

they hold dominion over something or other and thus sure, gods

or they're revered and worshipped so sure, gods

[trim grotto]

But, in terms of the Traveler being a god, you first have to dismiss the concept of a god being almighty.

The Traveler is a fallible being. It is not all knowing, it can make mistakes. It can be physically harmed and damaged, even corralled by threat or force.
Nevertheless, it is a tender, caring, benevolent being of paracausal power - something that brought all of Humanity together, and gave us entire new worlds to settle. It saved us from the Black Fleet and the Collapse, and began to bring the dead back to life with fantastic new powers.

For many, this is more than enough to see it as a god.

[jagged badge]

Different characters have beliefs and faiths about/in the Traveler, and other characters even deal with crises of faith, like Zavala, and now Eido too

[trim grotto]

Yes, Zavala's views on the Traveler changed a lot throughout his life. He may have once seen it as a god, but The Final Shape was rather heavy handed in showing his crisis of faith - a continuation of what he had already been experiencing.

[deft geode]

YES

thats exactly IT

thats the actual plot

[rich wharf]

i im reading abit more about the fallen now, i think its quite interesting, but i dont understand what the ether is? can someone explain. why do they need it and what is it.

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/fshFeLsZdsc?si=hHMevqfd0foZe7Br

[rich wharf]

oh wow, that helped out, thanks allot

damm i love this comunity, fast and straight to the point. all love to all my fellow lore nerds out there XD

[trim grotto]

We do love our lore here haha

[rich wharf]

i think destiny lore might be as big as star wars lore, maybe even bigger

[trim grotto]

Hmm... probably not. But Destiny has been around for years, and we've got a lot of hidden nooks and crannies for interesting lore.

[eager trout]

Gods in Destiny are really just gods by title. They're not divine beings, just beings powerful enough to appear godly.

[dawn plover]

There's a scene within the game right now, where you and others are seen cheersing, and presumably drinking...

My hunter is an Exo.. I thought Exo didnt need to eat or drink? Am I missing something?

[eager trout]

They do

[jagged badge]

They don’t need to, but they can

It helps the subconscious feel human

I suppose in a way you could say that they need to, as if the subconscious is not sated with these human desires and experiences, it leads to Dissociative Exomind Rejection, which can be fatal

[queen swallow]

Cayde drinks in the trailer for Red War/Destiny 2

[slim girder]

He also likes ramen a lot

So much that the shop has a picture of him in it

The same applies to any guardian as well.
They don't need sleep or anything but will still do those things because it's the healthy thing to do

[next bobcat]

Could we not just

Restore permadead guardians by giving them new ghosts?

Or is that not how it works

What are the requirements for being rezzed for the first time?

[queen swallow]

Being chosen by the Ghosts/Light

[dim minnow]

we like to say Devotion inspires , inspires sacrifice, and sacrifice leads to death

[trim grotto]

It has never once happened before and the implication is that it simply cannot.

As for being rezzed the first time, it's a bit vague. Most Ghosts believe they have a singular Chosen, their one and only pairing whom they have an inexplicable innate feeling for.
Others believe otherwise, and Tianshi's experience with Shin suggests that perhaps Ghosts could resurrect any one person, whether their intended Chosen or not.
The Guardian Creed says has the whole Devotion, Bravery, Sacrifice, Death thing that Dova referenced. This does seem to come into play a lot, but on the other hand,

https://tenor.com/view/guidlines-pirates-of-the-caribbean-hector-babossa-georffrey-rush-gif-7844913

[next bobcat]

Ok adding on to that

If a guardian dies can a ghost just choose not to revive them?

[hard sigil]

sure

Fynch is a good example of this

he found his Knight too cruel and just decided to not resurrect him anymore

[dim minnow]

there have been quite a few occurances of this

[next bobcat]

Yeah i remember that

Damn witch queen was what

Like

4 years ago?

[hard sigil]

yeah

I miss fynch I liked him

[hollow rover]

Wait is it ever explained why the praxic blade can be recalled?

[hard sigil]

it's cool and awesome that's why /j

probably something to with it using our light

[sick yew]

Magnets maybe

That or we are just that cool

[river surge]

Lore wise I would say is that the praxic blade comes with a special feature to return to the users anything he throws it

[sick yew]

One might argue whether lightsaber throwing is even canon to begin with

[slim girder]

My gripe with lightsaber throwing has always been how goofy it looks with just the single blade one.

At least the dual sabers look cooler when thrown

[hollow rover]

It is tho. It always has been.

[sick yew]

In Destiny? Where you gather that from

Hasnt been seen in a cutscene and not in any loretab either afaik

[hollow rover]

Oh

I thought you meant lightsaber lightsabers. Not praxic blade lightsabers lmao

[sick yew]

I should start saying Praxic Blade but I will probably just stick to lightsaber lmfao

[shrewd ravine]

Is nezarec still in Mithrax?

[hard sigil]

echo of riis cured him

[shrewd ravine]

I see, I wasn’t sure if it just like slowed it down/weakened the curse or fully rid him of it.

Thanks.

[slim girder]

Yes. But locked away in a corner of his mind.
The echo of Riis expelled nezarecs influence but he did say some part of nezarec was still there.

Nezarec is the embodiment of fear and nightmares. He's not something that can be "cured" but instead can be contained and sealed away.

[shrewd ravine]

Yeah I know he can’t “die”, but I wasn’t sure how it’s different with Mithrax, isn’t he alive as long as he’s remembered and feared by someone?

[slim girder]

Correct and he can manifest through that fear which is what was happening to mithrax.

But as I said before the Echo of Riis helped to expel him back into the corners of mithraxs mind where he would not be a threat

[shrewd ravine]

Oh so he just happened to choose Mithrax? I see

So he can’t manifest through others?

[slim girder]

He didn't choose mithrax. Mithrax was just the one who took the darkness onto himself when making the cure that woke Osiris after his time being trapped by savathun

[shrewd ravine]

Ahh

[fresh zephyr]

it's actually kind of terrifying that besides the Witness, Ghaul stands alone as the only individual to break down the Traveler and the City, and he did it without the Darkness

[slow berry]

Well, kind of.

The cage was made from Hive technology

[heady gyro]

Can maya sundaresh shut up

[ember storm]

solely carried by the technology of others

also is it really a triumph on his part if the traveler was just intentionally waiting and killed him instantly

[mortal wind]

Do we know who Dredgen Bane is?

[jagged badge]

A Guardian called Teben Grey

[mortal wind]

Oh ok that's Teben

i went and reread the lumina quest lorebooks cuz we got a wannabe dredgen showing up

and dredgen vale mention I suppose aunor would know about it

[jagged badge]

From my understanding of what I’m reading, Teben was a confidante of Shin Malphur/Orsa Zyre/Dredgen Vale

[mortal wind]

Are there any lore books on Orsa that alias is only mentioned twice in the lumina one

[river surge]

This is just my headcannon

But the main reason why stasis is free in Destiny is because Guardians have started to learn stasis more and more till it became a standard

And the main reason why Strand isnt free is because its still hard for Guardians to learn and use it

(Just my headcannon even tho it has no relevance at all)

[vale bluff]

How do you guys think religions reacted to the arrival of the traveler

[mortal wind]

I bet they didn't

[vale bluff]

wow this chat is dead

[rich wharf]

normally it isnt

but i guess tonight its a bit calmer yes

[hard sigil]

I think there's a reference to Islam somewhere in Titan's lore? something about there being a change where they now pray in the direction of Mecca as if it were transposed onto the surface of the planet they are on, and not in the literal direction of the Mecca on earth

[ivory berry]

Can someone please update me on the lore. I haven’t been updated since the season with the green Spider-Man power thingy

[hard sigil]

ok how much do you remember from lightfall

and how detailed would you like me to get

[blazing wasp]

how much knowledge you have of the lore prior to lightfall would also be good to know

[ivory berry]

I wanna know everything like the back of my hand. I wasn’t able to play the expansion but I do know that the traveler was under attack and we had to do something about it. I’m familiar with the rest of the lore from the first game up until lightfall but I haven’t dived deep into everything

[hard sigil]

we discovered Neomuna the Spire of the Watcher on mars. It is a city on Neptune that survived the dark age and was founded by an exodus ship, the Indigo. they soon discovered the Veil, a powerful darkness artefact that mirrors the traveller and harnesses the connected consciousness of every being in the universe. Experimenting with the veil, Maya Sundaresh and Chioma Esi (yes, the ones from Venus who were copied over 200 times by the vex) partly figured out how it worked, and how to use it as a power source for their new city. however, they were not alone. Vex are present on Neptune, and began clashing with Neomuna, and researchers started harnessing Vex technology too. This led to the development of Quicksilver, a realised and far more refined version of the SIVA the Indigo had on board, and the CloudArk, which used portioned off sections of the vexnet and the veil to create a digital space for citizens to live.

[blazing wasp]

thats a biiig task and wont happen in one day

wont happen in a month.

but we can cover a good bit and you can become familiar with lore in a day

[hard sigil]

fast forward a century or two, and we (the guardian and Osiris) chase down the new disciple of the witness and former Emperor of the Cabal, Calus, to Neomuna. The Witness requires the Veil to connect to the traveller and enact its plan to create the Final Shape. While working to prevent this, we come in contact with the Cloud Striders Rohan and Nimbus, essentially superheroes who have used quicksilver to alter their bodies at the cost of their lifespan. We discover Calus is going to use a piece of technology called the Radial Mast to allow for the connection, so we track it down and Rohan sacrifices himself to blow it up

[ivory berry]

Fine by me

[hard sigil]

simultaneously, we discover a mysterious energy we name Strand, which acts as the web or strings of consciousness that tie all sentient life together. as we work to prevent Calus' goals, we discover they have developed technology that blocks all currently known light and dark energies, so we learn to manipulate strand in order to overcome this in a training montage that I have no opinions on.

[jagged badge]

Probably very varying reactions. I’d imagine it’d cause a crisis of faith for some people. For others, they adapted with their religion to the Traveler and the Golden Age, as referenced by Deerset

And then ofc there was a great many who directly put their faith in the Traveler

[hard sigil]

we stop a taken incursion into the vexnet, and eventually Calus storms the Veil containment complex himself. we give chase and follow his path as Caiatl covers our rear, and meet him below the veil. there's a big boss fight, and we kill him. everyone celebrates for a moment, but then our ghost is hijacked by the witness, like it has done before in shadowkeep, and uses it to form the connection between itself, the veil, and the traveller. There is a battle above earth between coalition forces and the pyramids, featuring the traveller firing a beam of pure light into the witness' capital ship, which terraforms it and causes it to grow a very large Tree of Silver Wings. However, this is not enough, the witness approaches the traveller, and cuts a triangular portal into its surface, and enters. anyone who tries to follow ends up fused with their ship and dead.

but good news! turns out strand is literally anywhere there's life if you know how to see it. it was just extremely dense in Neomuna due to the large population and the presence of the Veil

as for the seasons, defiance didn't matter outside of Amanda dying, Deep followed the return of Titan, Sloane, and the proto-worm Ahsa, who bestowed upon us a vision of the witness' origins, and an expanded explanation of what the veil was thanks to the weekly logs that could be found. We were battling Xivu Arath's hive over control of titan. oh and also the Lucent Brood found part of the wreckage of the dreadnaught on the oceans floor, including the corpse of Oryx, and we're trying to force a ghost into resurrecting him.

Witch was my favourite season that year, we used the Sword Logic to battle Xivu and Savathûn's broods in her throne world to tithe to Eris in her ascent and acceptance of godhood as the Hive Goddess of Vengeance. She killed Savathûn herself and used her new morph and power to unleash a spell that expelled and barred Xivu from her own throne world, making her mortal at the cost of all the energy we built up the entire season

I'll stop for now with wish because I feel like I'm just kinda rambling at this point

in Wish, we ask Mara to bring the spirit of Riven so we could wish for entry into the traveller by way of the 15th wish, which we discovered by analysing the patterns on Savathûn's wings after new death at the hands of Eris last season. She says she'll grant it if we do her a favour, securing her eggs. We obtained one during the season of the witch from Savathûn's throne world, and Riven tells us where to find the others. we fight through Sol Divisive Vex to get there, only to find that they've been scattered through the ascendant plane. We chase them all down except for the last few, which we need to go into the Black Garden for. as we do, we learn of Taranis, Riven's mate. He was a benevolent Ahamkara who starved himself in order to grant the most accurate wishes he could, including doing something that kills an Ahamkara, wishing for something for themselves, a protector for his children. We find the last eggs with his skeleton and the Wishkeeper bow, a symbol of our fulfilment of that wish. Crow ends up being the one to make the wish, because his unique connection to Mara allows for him to communicate safe passage through the portal for the rest of us. Crow goes to the other side, and we all wait for a month or two for Final Shape to come out

god my fingers hurt

[hard sigil]

I'll probably start writing out the final shape stuff in like half an hour or whatever. also all of this is simplified and may not be entirely accurate as it's just based on my memory

[ivory berry]

It’s alright take your time

[hard sigil]

@ivory berry
Final Shape. We follow through the portal, encounter the new enemy faction named the Dread, and land in the Pale Heart of the traveller. We fight our way through to an overgrown version of the Tower, where we encounter a strange pink puddle and access the perfect harmony of light and dark, Prismatic. We do some more fighting and eventually make it to the rendezvous point to meet with crow. except crow isn't there. Cayde-6 is. Unbeknownst to crow, he accidentally made a wish before going through the portal, which Riven granted with no twists. He wished Cayde could've been here to help, and so he is. We have a good conversation, crow comes back from scouting ahead, and we make our way forward. we find Ikora's crashed ship and eventually her by a tree of silver wings, and push forward again. every now and then we encounter Cysts of darkness where the witness attempted to carve and control the traveller, and we receive messages from it.

We find Zavala fighting at a recreation of his home before the city, defending the graves of his partner and son. (over the last couple years Zavala has begun losing faith and trust in the traveller, this is important.) We help out, blow up a big brig, and continue forward again. As we get closer to the Monolith the witness has constructed, the land becomes more corrupted. we crest a mountain and end up in recreation of the cosmodrome, and at the site of our resurrection, we gain a boon of the traveller in the form of a new super. Zavala grows tired and angry and heads out on his own after an argument, leaving us and Targe, his ghost, behind. We track him down to a trap set by the witness, and Zavala almost dies to it because of a trance-like state he ended up in because of a cyst. Targe sacrifices himself to save Zavala, but leaves him lightless in the process. We also learn that not all members who make up the witness agree with it, and they tell us that it can be harmed by their deaths.

We confront the witness ourselves, using a sword gifted to us from the traveller, and the power of the darkness to enter into the witness and cut down these dissenters, injuring it. At this point it retreats and the Raid Salvation's Edge happens, which further weakens the witness. Excision caps the main narrative off as literally everyone enters the traveller to help kill the witness, ending with Ghost being overcharged with light, us using him as Kamehameha, and the witness dying. Ghost also dies, but Cayde sacrifices himself to heal him and brings him back to life, as he was made of pure light. post campaign, we work with Micah-10 to help lost ghosts and generally celebrate.

man that's a lot for a short synopsis

i think I'll try to condense the episodes more

[fluid peak]

Cayde sacrificed himself to heal our ghost

[hard sigil]

oh right yeah I forgor

got the timeline for the still hunt quest wrong

[slow berry]

We have some lore on this actually, from before the Ares-1 launch

A cult rose up iirc

[ivory berry]

Damn thanks for the lore drop😭 basically avengers assemble and beat thanos type of deal. experiencing it would be great and all but the expansions costs money and having to be in a squad to do dungeons for the lore is a lot of work😔

[trim grotto]

Well, there's the free access week, at least

[lilac sluice]

anyone else not care about the nine but are super interested in how they're writing them in renegades?

[frigid sparrow]

it would sound as though you are gaining an interest in them

and for the thing that I care about, MAAAN THERE'S NO ULAN-TAN MENTION IN THE DLC

[eager trout]

I just realized Golden Gun with Nighthawk is literally "he killed four men with one bullet"

[shy remnant]

the third bird

[eager trout]

Can we talk Renegades now? If so ||How was VI talking in the first mission of Renegades||?

[shy remnant]

he was talking through bael

[river bronze]

Is the Thorn that the Guardian has a copy or is it Dredgen Yor’s

[frigid sparrow]

copy

the original thorn was transmogrified into lumina

[river bronze]

Is that the same for the d1 one as well

[jagged badge]

Yes

If we had the real Thorn, it would be one-shot perma killing Guardians

Stripping them of their Light

[mortal wind]

well it was un-thorned into Rose

And then mogged into Lumina

Which I think has a lil' more significance

Since it's truly just doin' the opposite of a thorn rather than piggybacking on thorn

[eager trout]

Imagine the polar opposite

A gun that gives life

Btw, what are the balls Bael has on his belt that look like Ghost cores with green eyes?

[frigid sparrow]

Hive ghosts

[eager trout]

Why does he have them?

[modern lodge]

No, the core is too different

A hive ghost core is like a hive flame marble

[frigid sparrow]

because he's killed them

[hard sigil]

to TRICK me into thinking he was cyrell

[modern lodge]

Its probably just normal ghosts ngl

Just green....

[jagged badge]

No he killed a Hive Ghost in his lore

The first time he ever killed a Ghost I believe

[modern lodge]

Yeah but we are talking about the ghosts on his fit specifically

[tardy elbow]

I would also assume they're hive ghosts

[modern lodge]

Nah the core is too different

[tardy elbow]

I'm sure he went on a bit of a rampage

[modern lodge]

Also the eye is a normal ghost eye

[hard sigil]

hive ghosts have like. weathering. on their irises

[tardy elbow]

It looks just like a hive ghost eye, just without the green swirly magic in it

[modern lodge]

Still mad they never gave us a real ghost shell

They look so cool

[tardy elbow]

Not my style personally but would love to see it added for the people who want it

[modern lodge]

I love it, I think the green eye is awsome

[tardy elbow]

Wish we could have eye color options

[modern lodge]

Eh some shells have different eye colours

[tardy elbow]

I know some ghosts have different colors but imagine being able to choose

Just a little thing that would be nice

[modern lodge]

The ghost from the season pass is really nice, it's simple but pretty

[queen walrus]

Is the new "sintering" lore book bugged?its all in a weird order and the last three entries i have are all duplicates, it goes 7, 8, 9, 1, 2, 2, 2

ah yea its known, wells hoot i want muh lore

[arctic iron]

damn

they rly left out good Bael lore in the campaign

sometimes I wish the game wasnt rated T sigh

[slim girder]

He did take his anger out on a legionary. Something i didn't think they'd do because of ratings

[hard sigil]

erm it was a centurion

[slim girder]

A cabal

[arctic iron]

yea fk that guy!

[slim girder]

Though i am interested to see just what bael is capable of because he's the first non paracausal being since uldren to actually pose a threat to us and be dangerous.

He is just some dude with stasis. No ghost or anything and VI puppeting him

[arctic iron]

im assuming he has strand too

he did have the green ball things on his hip

idk wot they are tho

[slim girder]

Those are ghosts

[arctic iron]

why they all green

[slim girder]

Hive ghosts is what people say because he was attacked by a hive guardian and managed to kill them in the past

[arctic iron]

icic

i see it now lol

clearly i was blind

[slim girder]

He's also extremly disfigured under his mask and armour. He ripped his own nose off and most of his body has been replaced with metal by VI

[arctic iron]

I just hope they dont do their typical redeeming arc story

[slim girder]

Just like how Lodi once said his leg was turning into cadium

[slim girder]

I don't think they will here. Bael is not a good guy. Disturbed yes but not good at all and is responsible for a tech that brutally wiped out many guardians and ghosts.

[hard sigil]

it's just that Lodi can function with all that happening to him because he was chosen, and Bael wasn't so he's having the usual reaction

[arctic iron]

~~kylo ren ~~ thanos type shi

[slim girder]

Pretty much. Hell he even collects ghosts as trinkets as we saw and in general hates the guardians

[hard sigil]

yeah he might've been redeemable before spending decades in time dilation but now I very much doubt it

[slim girder]

He might be able to be reasoned with but i don't see any good ending for him other than death

OR being locked away with VI inside him if that's what binding the nine is supposed to entail

Bit like that malicos guy from jedi fallen order who got sealed in the ground by that nightsister

[sterile junco]

Is Bungie aware that everything post Mother in the Sintering entries is missing from display?

[slim girder]

yes

[sterile junco]

Ok

Was disappointing to see it cut off after that awesome revelation

[frigid sparrow]

Do you think spider has a couple of guys trying to find his stash of ghost corpses

He fucking loves those things surely he'd be chomping at the bit

[slim girder]

Wouldn't be suprised considering the black market involves us messing with the imperium and stealing loot from them

[frigid sparrow]

Spider sending out Varok to look into where Bael's ghost stash is

[slim girder]

Though something i think might be of interest is, who is this father of baels? Bael imo doesn't sound that old so i think tex mechanica might need some looking at if someone high enough to be called a "magnate" is related to this guy

[hard sigil]

do you think he grabbed all the dead ghosts from the little theatre

[frigid sparrow]

A few

Enough to satiate himself, too few to be noticed

[slim girder]

Hold the fucking phone

[frigid sparrow]

Nice try, nine

[slim girder]

Don't tell me shin is the father and is secretly running the foundry that created his hand cannon for a "i am your father" moment

[frigid sparrow]

Not falling for that one

That wouldn't make sense

Shin has been constantly on the hunt within the system for any remaining dredgens

He's been too preoccupied with that to be operating any businesses

Or having any children

Plus TLW was Jarens gun prior

[slim girder]

Not anymore for quite a while as he kinda handled that mantle to us. And who's to say Bael was thought dead after that hive guardian attack. Obviously this is an insane theory but it just got me thinking due to bael being a character who has a mother and father. Eido iirc is the only character we've seen the family of

[slim girder]

I know but it is shins gun now and that pertains to this theory

[hard sigil]

technically the brays

[slim girder]

True. It's been a long time.

Grandfather and the 2 granddaughters

[frigid sparrow]

Also, didn't we get the name of the dude acting as magistrate lol

[slim girder]

Don't believe so. We were just told he's the son of a tex mechnica magnate

Theory aside i would like to see baels family because biological families are sadly a rarity in destiny

[frigid sparrow]

President, Cesar Bizet

[slim girder]

Ok theory is now dead. I hope we get more from this ceser and if he even knows what happened to his son

[frigid sparrow]

It also matches since Nazaire Bizet is a French name

Well, Nazaire and Bizet are French first and last names

Bizet coming from Cesar, Nazaire coming from the renegade arms lore tab

[hard sigil]

french in charge of a cowboy company

[frigid sparrow]

Maybe that's one of the universe shifts from the destiny world

Or maybe it's like a westaboo situation where France got really into cowboy culture

[hard sigil]

the Louisiana purchase never happened.....

[river surge]

I was wrong

[river surge]

VI is The Alchemist but not the LOeN

VI used the sword logic as an example from LOeN

I was wrong

Sorry Retro

[slim girder]

All good to have fun with theories haha.

[river surge]

Well I understand it now

[frigid sparrow]

Tbh I am quite upset that spider didn't get domed

[river surge]

I was blinded by the fact that VI had symbols similar to LOeN but they are different

[slim girder]

LoEN is doing thing oryx mistakes for the winnower, a paracausal being on the level of god in destiny, The nine aren't paracausal so thye wouldn't be able to do that

[slim girder]

Correct me if i'm wrong but did Jabba die at all?

[frigid sparrow]

Killed by Leia

[hard sigil]

choked out

[frigid sparrow]

Tbh I kinda just wanted to roll up to spider's den only to see him be blasted in 12 different places

[hard sigil]

spider deserves his happy ending of being the ultimate crime lord

especially if it means we never see him again

[frigid sparrow]

I wanted it to be like "yeah everyone thought he was pretty annoying so they all sent assassins after him so we dunno who did the actual deed"

[slim girder]

Ok. Just wanted to know since spider is obviously inpspired by jabba. As for his fate i don't think he deserves it. He's a bad guy yes but isn't interested in world domination or anything. Bro just wants to laze around and make money. Mithrax has threatened him before so he knows his place

[frigid sparrow]

It's not even about whether or not he deserves it I just think it'd be very funny

Tries rolling up to be the newest big boss in town, fails spectacularly

[slim girder]

He has told Blue that he lives for the life he lives and to stay still is to die

So the more he can gain the better

[frigid sparrow]

"to stay still is to die" then I must've been talking to a corpse for the last few years because this fucker has never gotten out of his chair

[slim girder]

Oh he can move. He's just a lard boss who has everyone else do things for him

[frigid sparrow]

I wonder how things are gonna go with this guardian games now that he's out of the city

[slim girder]

Wdym? spiders never been in the city. He's handled shipments sure but he's never been into the city

[hard sigil]

yes he has

[frigid sparrow]

He was in the outskirts and in the city

[hard sigil]

he was in the market district last year

[frigid sparrow]

Eliksni outpost and the last city location

[slim girder]

Oh yeah the old bar place my b.

[hard sigil]

and the botza quarter before that

[frigid sparrow]

Where he handled the... Less tolerated gambling aspects of the games

[slim girder]

Well i guess he is always free to come back and mithrax will let him in provided he behaves

[frigid sparrow]

Tbh eido would probably be more likely to crash out

[slim girder]

Eido is too busy being lovey dovey with riliks atm

[frigid sparrow]

Not only is she way bigger now but she's also got the trauma of witnessing a guardian massacre, she's totally capable of flipping a switch and docking spider in the moment

[slim girder]

And riliks is about to be in for quite a suprise when he finds out eido is the daughter to the kell of kells

[frigid sparrow]

"just one bad day"

[frigid sparrow]

"alright everyone, so I know we renounced our former beliefs in service of living out lives of crime... Buuut"

[slim girder]

Bro sold his syndicate out for his crush

[heady gyro]

What is dredgen bael's damage

Kid throwing a tantrum

[hard sigil]

almost got killed by an acolyte, only for a ghost to try to resurrect it in front of him. his mother died and was cremated but was brought back as a guardian. when he saw her he hugged her out of instinct and she pushed him off herself and was very very cold towards him. and then he was also manipulated by VI into thinking he was the Chosen One

[heady gyro]

Nepobaby

[hard sigil]

he also generally disagrees with the political system of the city

[heady gyro]

So he decides to snuff every lightbearer he can

What a dumbass

[hard sigil]

he's honestly pretty justified in his hate but it was definitely exasperated to extremism by VI

he's just toeing the line of sympathy. he's very much a child that was used

[slim girder]

Justifiable crashout but he definitely is not on a good path and he is desperate for approval which makes him easier for VI to manipulate

[heady gyro]

I damn hate the nine

Is he even a lightbearer?

[slim girder]

Nope

[hard sigil]

nope

[heady gyro]

Just some random ass teenager then

[slim girder]

He is just a human. The son of a tex mechanica president

[hard sigil]

not a real Dredgen either. he was just researching them and adopted their philosophy

[slim girder]

So he's definitely not getting that hand back

[hard sigil]

unless VI makes him a new one

[slim girder]

Though VI is turning him into metal so could get a prosthetic

[heady gyro]

I was joking when i said nepobaby, but he actually is a nepobaby

[slim girder]

Yep

[hard sigil]

he believes the Tex Machina philosophy is outdated and they should be focused on experimental weaponry

[slim girder]

Bro doesn't like westerns. Kill em

[echo brook]

I don't get the opening of this story. We get captured by the tractor beam and they apparently board us and and only take Drifter? Without us doing anything? And put him in Stasis? Then we get to go rescue him because they left us completely intact in the ship?

_>

[slim girder]

No we chased drifter

[heady gyro]

I agree actually. Tex mechanic's niche is about antique designs, that's why people like em

[hard sigil]

we initially hid to keep the data disc safe

but once the coast was clear we began our infiltration

[echo brook]

ach so

must watch that cinematic again

[slim girder]

Bael was after drifter. I don't think he really cared about us until we started screwing up things for him.
Bael also wanted drifter to "teach" him as he said to aunor

Presumably more about being a dredgen

[modern lodge]

I wanna see the inside of a praxic blade

[rich wharf]

in the lore video, i constantly hear the word saul, but i cant seem to find out what it is?

[slim girder]

Saul?.
Do you mean sol as in the solar system?

[rich wharf]

ahhhh yeah i think it should be sol

i am watching the video with subtitels so i think he translates that to saul

[slim girder]

YT subtitles aren't good for really anything

[rich wharf]

i must say i dont mind them in the lore video right now

[slim girder]

But just clarifying Byf is saying Sol as that's what we call the Solar system.

[rich wharf]

yeah thanks that clears it up very much for me thanks

[hard sigil]

Saul is actually the Ghoul's real name /j

[heady gyro]

Is bael using a voice filter to sound raspier?

[blazing wasp]

probably the mask

you can sound rather raspy using nothing but a mask, given the right placement of air holes and material

[heady gyro]

I know he did that on purpose, i just cant prove it

[slim girder]

He is very disfigured underneath

Tore his own nose off and most of his body is metal

He is in constant pain

[heady gyro]

So like

He's tryna be darth vader

[slim girder]

Pretty much. But in this case it's a side effect of not being chosen by the nine. Lodi and Orin had this same experience but are still fine because they were chosen as emissaries

Bael has been picked becasue VI needs someone to carry out it's will and does not care how much pain it puts the individual through

[heady gyro]

So he's a pseudo emissary?

[slim girder]

No because only VI can speak through him. And it's a very forced kind of thing

[heady gyro]

So yea, pseudo

[slim girder]

I guess. A failed emissary although it's not like the other nine chose him

Again VI just needs someone

[heady gyro]

What does VI want again?

Arent the outer IV united in their desire?

[slim girder]

They're part of the outer orbits. They want to break free using a singularity and view us as "jailers"

So they want us removed

[heady gyro]

Dont they rely on lifeforce to exist?

Killing humans would just diminish them

[slim girder]

Yes but that's what the singularity is for. They believe if they can achieve that then they'll break free of that dependency

They want to exist on their own

Not through the life of something else

[heady gyro]

Understandable motive, but how are they willing to gamble everything on a singularity in the oort cloud?

How does a singularity even help them

[hard sigil]

his face is decaying so that probably has something to do with it

[slim girder]

It's all about dark matter. It's been a long term belief by all members of the nine that if enough dark matter was gathered into a singularity that it'd be able to allow the nine to break free of their depndence on life.

[heady gyro]

Dont know how that would work, but im not made of dark matter, so i wouldnt know

[slim girder]

The outer orbits though are doing this in a much more aggresive way and in EoF could have wiped out SoL had that black hole been left to grow

[hard sigil]

the outers have the same ideal of becoming independent, but they all have their own ideas on how to achieve this

[heady gyro]

And what happens if they fail. They just accept death?

[hard sigil]

pretty sure VII. or whatever one Neptune is I can't remember. is studying the traveller and the veil as they believe they can use them to restructure reality itself to free them

[heady gyro]

To use the veil to link with the traveler would require them to weild darkness

[slim girder]

The outer orbits see paracausal being like us as in the way and so are more than willing to do anything to try and get rid of us. Like now with bael and the nightfall station. No guardians means they've got no one to stop them trying to open a black hole

[heady gyro]

VI is really trying to gamble everything on one singularity?

[slim girder]

All the outers are

[heady gyro]

Are none of the inners doing anything?

[hard sigil]

IV is planning something

IX doesn't really care all that much

[heady gyro]

The most outter huh?

[hard sigil]

the opposite

[heady gyro]

im banking on IV to bail us out

[hard sigil]

IX is the sun

[heady gyro]

no waayy

I guess it makes sense they wont care

They're chillin

[hard sigil]

IX knows it will die when the sun dies. it's just happy to shine on our armour

but it does relate to the traveller and actually likes humanity. not as much as III did though

[heady gyro]

I couldnt make that out during the meeting

[slim girder]

They are helping us, as III did when telling what we needed to do

[heady gyro]

They all talk so fancy

[heady gyro]

III my GOAT

[hard sigil]

most of EoF IX was just crushing on Louis

[heady gyro]

whats 2 up to

[slim girder]

No idea

[hard sigil]

II is the nicest to Louis apparently

but we personally haven't seen much of it

[heady gyro]

What about 1

[slim girder]

We haven't seen much from the inners yet. But again they aren't against us and will most likely offer help whenever possible

[hard sigil]

iirc we know pretty much what each outer is planning on doing

[slim girder]

IV is our first outer "The Alchemist" that we're having to fight back against.

[hard sigil]

Saturn is using sword logic, Jupiter was trying to use Maya to gain control over the vex so it could use their infinite resources to build mass and develop into a star, I've already said what Neptune was planning

[heady gyro]

Wait isnt 4 an inner?

[hard sigil]

oh I see what's happened

IV and VI

[slim girder]

Sry mixed my numerals up

[hard sigil]

lol

[slim girder]

I meant VI

[hard sigil]

who am I missing

[heady gyro]

yea it's why i used the arabic numbers

[slim girder]

VIII/uranus

[hard sigil]

right

[heady gyro]

if the inners are so fond of humans, why dont they plan with us?

[hard sigil]

VIII is Neptune

oh yeah VII was just warning us not to trust the inners

[slim girder]

Because only an emissary can channel them and if they don't want to talk then there's nothing we can really do

[hard sigil]

we don't know if they've even got a plan

[slim girder]

All III told us was that we need to bind the nine and that the weapon "us" will do it

[hard sigil]

the inners operate on a need to know basis for us

[slim girder]

We're starting to maybe figure what it means with binding the outers to individual bodies but haven't seen anything further on that front

[hard sigil]

they'll just intervene with outcomes to ensure we're on the right path rather than tell us what to do

[heady gyro]

Very offhands huh?

And bael gets the nepo treatment

[slim girder]

Shows how differently they each tackle things

Outers are not nice members

[hard sigil]

if the nepo treatment is being groomed by an alien god sure

[heady gyro]

it's a very unpleasent relationship

[heady gyro]

I think it shows the outers are desperate

[hard sigil]

eh maybe. VI was "cheating" by their standards to get their way

[slim girder]

Not desperate just impaitent more like.

They've been alive for eons

They're done with rules now

[heady gyro]

What a mess

One problem after the other

[hard sigil]

such is life

[slim girder]

They aren't gods but their actions can mess with the whole solar system. LIke them orchestrating IIIs death has caused earth to change in a very bad way. One of the biggest mountain ranges in the world turned to copper, Oxygen is changing to carbon in certain spots, rain is purple, etc

[heady gyro]

They really want us to die

[hard sigil]

pretty sure there was an expert about the gold in Osiris' teacup becoming magnetised and sticking to his gauntlet

gold isn't supposed to be able to become magnetic.

[slim girder]

As long as they get that freedom they don't care if we die or Sol is destryoed

[hard sigil]

oh and a cabal legionary saving a baby eliknsi because it.started to rain actual solid iron

[heady gyro]

I hate that kind of people

[heady gyro]

Oh where's this from

Which lore tab

[hard sigil]

I can't remember but it's recent

[hard sigil]

oh! compact defender

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/compact-defender?highlight=Compact Defender

there's some really strange effects too like chalcos flute being pushed out of tune

don't even know how that happens

[heady gyro]

Is this one of the renegade guns

[slim girder]

Yes

[hard sigil]

yeah it's the void sidearm

`An Eliksni hatchling chittered in delight, placing a ball in the oversized hands of an Ascendancy warrior.

Wind whipped viciously at their clothes, and the sky darkened without warning. He quickly scooped up the hatchling and ran for cover into the Hangar before shards of iron started falling from the sky.

The hatchling burrowed into his arms with a cry.

"Courage, little one," he murmured. "It's… only rain."`

the real concerning part is that it's all testimony from in or surrounding the city directly

Zavala mentions that the place that's been affected the most is the great lakes though

which is troubling because we're going to Chicago very soon

[heady gyro]

Purple water maybe

[slim girder]

So just for context the mountain range that turned to copper on earth is called the Andes. It's the worlds largest mountain range outside of Asia.

This whole thing turned to copper

This range is taller than the US.

[heady gyro]

Like just a big chunk of copper?

[slim girder]

Yep

Whole thing turned to copper apparently

[heady gyro]

At least we'll have plenty of material for wiring

[slim girder]

Also when it rains iron, iron and copper are both quite conductive so lightning is a serious danger.

[hard sigil]

imagine the amount of lighting

yeah

[heady gyro]

Oh! Fun

[hard sigil]

also the Andes are relatively close to the city too

[slim girder]

You have a continent sized lightning rod that could very easily start a forest fire next to it

[hard sigil]

oh and in Tharsis you can get a news story on the terminal in the market about how mosquitos are dying off en masse due to altered iron levels in mammals

[heady gyro]

That's one silverlining

[hard sigil]

I mean. is it?

the amount of iron in our blood is changing. we need iron because it's how we transport oxygen

[slim girder]

Mosquitoes dying while sure cool but it's not for the right reason

[heady gyro]

Wait are the iron levels dropping?

[slim girder]

Yes

[hard sigil]

also mosquitos are a very important food source for birds and bats

[hard sigil]

it just says altered

[heady gyro]

How are the mammals still walking with such a decreased iron levek

[heady gyro]

Oh hmmm

Maybe it's an overload of iron

[slim girder]

Well it's prolly the food chain, Bird and rabbits don't get enough iron, bigger animals don't get much from them and so on

[heady gyro]

Chain reaction

[slim girder]

That can lead to heart faliure

[heady gyro]

Oh fun

[hard sigil]

and also liver cancer

[heady gyro]

Oh great

The end of the world happens

And you get liver cancer

[slim girder]

It's not really the end of the world but more so earth is changing to a point life can't work

Ever since the death of III there's going to be this sense of creeping dread as time goes on and the effects of that start to become more noticeable