📚lore-discussion

[sharp birch]

Does solar light spread like fire or does it remain stationary until the energy fizzles out

[ember storm]

Well the whole point is that it’s entirely controlled by the user

[trim grotto]

It can spread if you are lax in your control of it

[sharp birch]

Is dragons breath fire solar light or fire

[modern lodge]

Can you have arc light power something for an infinite time?

[ember storm]

The vast vast vast majority of weapons are just normal weapons

[trim grotto]

He feels the warmth radiating from the roasting heartwood above; Light still crackles in the ember-split wood. His Light. Left alone, it would destroy this old pine, consume it from the inside out. Saladin anchors the Light to his core and commands it to return, dousing the burn. The tree will heal, and today's wound will fade. This gouge marks a point of struggle surpassed, and given enough time, will fade into familiarity.```

[ember storm]

Doesn’t the exotic perk of dragons breath specifically mention a normal fuel

[sharp birch]

Why does void light provide illumination I thought it was supposed to be like a null energy

[ember storm]

Because it’s a fake version made of

Yknow

Light

[trim grotto]

Only if you were chained to a generator. It still needs to come from somewhere.

[ember storm]

Vex are great at making generators idk why we haven’t co opted all their systems

[queen swallow]

That just reads like some sort of retcon to me. First one is from The Red Box entry and the larger one is from the Fragment

[sharp birch]

But it’s light the paracausal energy not the sense we understand illuminating light via photon waves

[modern lodge]

So you couldn't just create an arc orb and just have it stay there

[ember storm]

Yes and light the paracausal energy still is illuminating

[trim grotto]

Dragon's Breath was created by Crux/Lomar, a weapon foundry. As such, it isn't a paracausal artifact. It'd be regular flame.

[ember storm]

The traveler literally glows

[sharp birch]

Does that mean we can know that photon particles are a component of Light

At the very least

[ember storm]

For the record the elements are entirely separate from Guardians using Light

those things just exist

[modern lodge]

You just shape the light into the elements

[sharp birch]

So the elements exist and Light is more-so the capacity to wield them kind of like bending in the avatar universe

[ember storm]

Guardians specifically shape Light (a power that encapsulates the physical universe) into scientific things we’re already familiar with

[modern lodge]

I wonder, can you make a soft solar couch that's lukewarm to the touch

[trim grotto]

I don't see how.

For the record, the Ishtar Sink quote might be from the Golden Age. Ghost Fragment entries often have information the Guardians aren't actually aware of.

[ember storm]

the only kinds of “raw” light we really use is basically just warlock rifts and titan barricades

[sharp birch]

Do energy weapons matching a Hive lightbearer’s super do more damage when they’re in their super?

[modern lodge]

I wanna see more of raw light usage

[sharp birch]

Like with guardians

[ember storm]

they don’t use weapons when they’re in their super

[sharp birch]

No we do

[modern lodge]

Would healing grenades be raw light

[ember storm]

They just use their super

[ember storm]

Huh you mean like

[sharp birch]

In PvP elemental weapons deal more dmg to guardians in super of the matching element

[ember storm]

Do they?

[sharp birch]

Is it the same for hive lightbearers in super

[sharp birch]

They did at least at some point

[ember storm]

I have never known this to be the case

[vale viper]

which barricade? Wouldn't the void one no longer be pure light since it adds void shit to it

[trim grotto]

Void is a bit of an amalgamation energy. Gravity, vacuum, and more. Not all of it is... null.
Plus, Void and Void Light aren't the same. Light takes on aspects of natural energies when we wield it.

[ember storm]

Yes because that’s specifically using a void fragment on the void subclass

You’ll notice it doesn’t have any elemental properties by default

It’s the same barricade on every Titan subclass unless you specifically pick something that adds an elemental effect

it’s just a basic light projection otherwise

Osiris’ echoes were light, weren’t they? They just happened to be yellow?

[sharp birch]

If you combined void arc and solar light together would the colour be white since white is the result of all wavelengths overlapping

[vale viper]

what's the difference between a fragment ability and the other abilities

[ember storm]

you can’t really

[sharp birch]

That’s because his clothes were yellow

[ember storm]

Aspects are like

Actual things we’re holding that influence our abilities

[trim grotto]

That's actually a bit of a point of contention. Some are Light and some are Tech and we have no idea which is which because there are two different terms which have been interchanged.

[sharp birch]

Also we were on mercury where the sun’s rays through the atmosphere tinted everything in a yellowy orange hue

[queen swallow]

As a result of improperly cropping things, I missed part of the The Red Box quote from Season 6: "We salvaged information from a Ghost on Venus, in the Ishtar Sink. It described an artifact found by our Golden Age ancestors..." It's directly referencing the Fragment stuff

[ember storm]

Like bleak watcher is a cabal turret’s targeting system frozen over by stasis

Idk if aspects just exist to give your guardian inspiration or are actually needed to function though

I would imagine probably just the former

[sharp birch]

Me with a frozen vex harpy in my pocket as a catalyst to use grim harvest

[ember storm]

and it’s just a reflection of the gameplay

Theoretically you should just be able to use every aspect and fragment always

[trim grotto]

Ah, true. Still, what is the retcon you describe?

[sharp birch]

Why can enemy factions use light elements in their weapons and gear or shields

[trim grotto]

Because as I described earlier, Light is simply taking on the forms of these natural energies.

They aren't using Light.

[sharp birch]

So anyone can use the energies

[ember storm]

they are, as i said, normal aspects of the universe

[trim grotto]

Allow me to show you a visual representation

[queen swallow]

Perhaps retcon wasn't the right word. More like, reconciling? the difference between the small box as described in the Fragment lore and the larger one found in game and redescribed in the Season 6 lore entry

[ember storm]

for the record "Arc energy" isn't just one specific thing

[modern lodge]

Personally I see the fragments/aspects are just gameplay

[ember storm]

it's a type of energy that includes things like electricity and also fission

[modern lodge]

Do they still do this level of visual lore in weapons?

[slow berry]

sometimes!

[modern lodge]

Or atleast cool details

[trim grotto]

Not really. But people would probably say something about "reusing assets" if they did this, despite how cool it is.

[sharp birch]

Has omolon ever made a kinetic weapon

[ember storm]

Psion psychokinesis is counted as a type of void energy because it's indirectly a manipulation of normal gravity, for example

[slow berry]

yeah

hung jury is omolon innit

[trim grotto]

No, but there are modified Omolon weapons which are Kinetic. Hung Jury was a Dead Orbit modification.

[sharp birch]

Oh yeah

[slow berry]

and just in general all omolon primaries in D1

[slow berry]

Tlaloc was kinetic right?

[trim grotto]

Ah I suppose there's the D1 stuff

[slow berry]

or am i misremembering

[sharp birch]

Couldn’t you theoretically modify any omolon weapon by removing that energy pack attached to it

And make it kinetic

[ember storm]

with the super cool exotic perk of

overflow

[sharp birch]

Imagine a kinetic light subclass

[trim grotto]

I imagine that depends on the weapon. Omolon uses liquid ammunition and you can see it sloshing around within the gun, already coloured to the relevant element.

[sharp birch]

Like the Iconoclasm weapon

[ember storm]

i mean kinetic omolon is essentially just an ammo pack that's just liquid going fast enough to deal kinetic damage

it's literally just a lethal water gun

[sharp birch]

Vex milk omolon

[ember storm]

that's just divinity

[trim grotto]

To be honest D1 weaponry is a bit of a lacking point in my knowledge, since I never actually used those weapons

[slow berry]

In Destiny 1, we have the Aachen-LR2, the Cydonia AR1, and the Inverness-SR2 for kinetic

but those are blue and green

[modern lodge]

Shame

[ember storm]

majority of them were as the kids say mid

[slow berry]

aside from that, yeah, hung jury

[ember storm]

i still miss fabian strategy though

[sharp birch]

Tlaloc was a scout rifle that had the mantle of battle harmony perks but on steroids

And was warlock exclusive

[ember storm]

this is the most chatgpt destinypedia description ive ever read

[slow berry]

destinypedia in big 2025

[sharp birch]

I miss dregs promise

[ember storm]

Tlaloc starts out as an average Scout Rifle with no unique properties. It is perfectly serviceable, but doesn't have much utility otherwise. However, given enough time, for the moment the player's Super is fully charged, Tlaloc's exotic perk, Overflow, starts to kick in.
Using this strategy, the weapon becomes a formidable killer of both minions of the Darkness and other Guardians in the Crucible.

[sharp birch]

Plan C is irrelevant since backup plan can be a common perk on legendary fusions

[trim grotto]

pfff

[ember storm]

gallons of water for this

[sharp birch]

It was overflow as in its damage was boosted by having full super and massively boosted all your weapon stats. Not the picking up ammo doubled your magazine and auto reloads perk

[ember storm]

the page says otherwise

[slow berry]

what if it got backup backup plan as a perk

[ember storm]

It gives considerable bonuses to stability, handling, and rate of fire all at once without any reduction in damage. The most common tactic was for the player to use the super, Radiance, and hold onto self revive until needed.

[sharp birch]

Tlaloc synergized really naturally with Self Res since you would be holding onto your full super anyways

[slow berry]

tlaloc with memory of felwinter for the knowers

[ember storm]

i wish they did random bullshit like that again

[sharp birch]

Plan C brought back but it makes the charge time instantaneous to separate it from backup plan. So it fires a hip fired bolt spread immediately upon swapping to the weapon

[ember storm]

like the one that just had a chance to mind control enemies

idk why that would ever come up ever but it was funny

[sharp birch]

They should bring back Hereafter. Sniper that causes large AoE blind on a headshot kill

[slow berry]

that's cloudstrike

basically

[sharp birch]

No Cloudstrike does damage

[slow berry]

can't see if you're dead

[sharp birch]

It’s blind was funny it was like tv static and muffled your audio

[ember storm]

uhhh

are there any exotics that do blind

its all just jolt isnt it

oh right overture

wait is that arc blind

[sharp birch]

think so but you can easily achieve it with the blind on headshot fragment

[ember storm]

or disorienting

[sharp birch]

Special weapon kill blind and headshots trigger more blinds or something

[ember storm]

do normal colossus do arc blind??

[sharp birch]

They should bring back Universal Remote

[slow berry]

that's spread hand cannons

[sharp birch]

And give it more range than Felwinters Lie

With slideshot

[slow berry]

that's spread hand cannons yeah

fucking long as fuck range

what the fuck were they thinking man

no spread infinity range

[sharp birch]

There was also Patience and Time, the sniper that made you invis while crouching and adsing

Omg I forgot Super Good Advice

[trim grotto]

I also heard there was this terrible gun nobody liked called the Jelly Horn or something

[sharp birch]

Super Good Advice was a solar machine gun that returned missed shots to the magazine and auto replaced landed shots back to the magazine from reserves

[trim grotto]

I.E. better Mulligan

[sharp birch]

Yeah

[jagged badge]

Why would you waste your exotic slot on a heavy?

[sharp birch]

Essentially mulligan + rewind rounds

[sharp birch]

Uses ergo sum with wolfpack rounds while my friends use the sword glitch

[slow berry]

i want it to turn into final warning but LMG

refund missed shots?

[sharp birch]

My damage: 11
Their damage: 999,999

[slow berry]

no missed shots

:)

[ember storm]

gjally hoo

[sharp birch]

Imagine a shotgun exotic that had its bullet spread be projectiles that were recalled back to the barrel when you hit reload. Also armor piercing rounds. So you could shoot a target and it pierces through them and when you hit reload it pierces through them again as they return to you

And maybe it does more damage when hitting targets from behind

To incentivize the recall feature

[ember storm]

you mean like some kind of predator shotgun

maybe fit for some kind of

[slow berry]

isnt that just titan hammer

[ember storm]

slayer

slayer's fang already penetrates doesnt it

am i misremembering that

[sharp birch]

I didn’t know this weapon existed or understand its gimmick bc I haven’t done kells fall

[slow berry]

yes

it shoots a slug that explodes when it hits a target

and overpenetrates

(it explodes into buckshot, for clarity)

[sharp birch]

Are its catalyst perks any good

[slow berry]

pretty fun

[slow berry]

pretty decent

its an alright gun all around

[sharp birch]

I once theorycrafted an exotic sniper rifle with a stupid gimmick using magnetism

I called it Dipole Fission and kills with it would grant you a magnetized rounds that infused a polarity into enemies hit. Holding reload toggled between positive and negative polarity. When two opposing polarized enemies were within 5m of each other it triggered a big vortex AoE grouping enemies. And when two matching polarized enemies were within 5m of each other, it triggered a knockback AoE

[slow berry]

that sounds insufferable i'm ngl

[sharp birch]

Extremely niche and gimmicky

It would probably function better if it could toggle between arc and void as well and the vacuum caused arc blind and the knockback caused volatile

[modern lodge]

Just sounds as bad as launch stasis ngl

[sharp birch]

It would be meant for PvE not PvP

[modern lodge]

I'd rather die than go up against that fucking thing

[sharp birch]

That’s why it’s for PvE and it’s activation requirement is too steep for PvP

How often in PvP would you have a good shot at multiple enemies before dying or have enough ammo to take such a shot. And remember the special rounds require a kill beforehand to even polarize you

I think it would be too clunky for PvP

[slow berry]

actually snipers have a fuck ton of ammo in pvp right now

two shots per brick

now's the time to be goated

[modern lodge]

where wrath takes place, whats the point of the complex aksis holes themself in

[slim girder]

It's where he was turning himself into a cyborg. The "perfection" complex. Aksis is an archon, that is the eliksni equivalent to be on the verge of godhood and the eliksni belive that by fusing themselves with machines they can ascend into this godhood

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Bonk em

[dense pike]

daelln has been banned!

[slim girder]

Thank you mods

[fresh zephyr]

Whats the lore on vespers host

[river surge]

Yes

The only thing I know is that a Clovis Bray station got corrupted and we had to go there and The Nine had something to do with it

and Lodi somehow was mentioned and yes

[dim minnow]

An entity known as "The Corruption" (likely Vex in origin) took control over the last copy of Atraks-1 and turned her into the Puppeteer. It would then gradually assimilate the minds of the House Salvation deserters who sought a new life at Vesper Station until all of them were under its control. Then, the Puppeteer would use them to create the Anomaly (the big portal-looking thing)

Vesper Station itself was a secret sister Station to the Morningstar. It's purpose was to house Clovis' more dangerous and secretive experiments including one involving an AI made with Vex tech meant to infiltrate the Vexnet. Clovis had basically neutered Astraea, the station's AI, so she wouldn't be able to protect the Station and its crew properly. Clovis had also planned on crashing the Station onto Europa's surface as to hide what went on there, but that never came to pass due to the Collapse.

[trim grotto]

have you ever noticed that the people who use the term "Lore Accurate" have no idea what that actually entails

[jagged badge]

Yeah it’s really quite annoying 😭

[trim grotto]

Lore Accurate Guardians can use any class ability and all elements at once and have no Super cooldown!!11!!!

meanwhile lore accurate guardian, impaling their foot with their first arc staff after being rezzed months ago and taking a trauma break

[jagged badge]

Lore accurate Guardian: oh wow, check out my Cluster Bomb Bad Omens!

[trim grotto]

metah

[dim minnow]

lore accurate guardians be like: d a n c e

[jagged badge]

[ember storm]

Your face is lore accurate

[slow berry]

Dont most lore accurate guardians spend their time fucking around not doing much

[slim girder]

Yes. We love to hang at bars after being outside for so long

Saint likes feeding pigeons and walking through the city

Crow is an alcholic

[ember storm]

that's a constructive hobby

[queen swallow]

That's the nicest thing anyone's said about it 🥺

[heady gyro]

I feel like famous generals and leaders are not rare revive choices for ghosts because their bodies are usually preserved and entombed with care

Like pharoahs and important egyptians in the pyramids would give choice paralysis

[trim grotto]

It's possible, yes. But the Collapse also destroyed much of Humanity, surely including much of our structures - not to mention that many have worn down from the sheer age of millennia.
The Golden Age and Dark Age are both unknown periods of time both measuring in centuries, so any number of things could have happened to the bodies within any given tomb.

[slow berry]

Ghosts don't really get to choose either

[tight inlet]

I'm surprised we haven't had any more echoes come out of the traveler or have found any inside it, since the inside of the traveler is it's own thing created from memory, so I wonder if we'll ever see any more echoes and see how they work, but then again, I'm spitballing

[heady gyro]

That's true, but they have options to sift through

[heady gyro]

True. I think tho most big shot tombs like genghis khan are still around

Maybe cleopatra too

[slim girder]

I'd like to believe after the collapse something as old as the pyramids wouldn't have survived.
And even during the golden age I wouldn't be surprised if old structures like that would have eventually withered away or even been swept away in the terraforming the traveler did.

[blazing wasp]

They kinda plunged the earth into an apocalypse

More than just using gravity weapons

[hasty needle]

sword logic go brrr

[slim girder]

Stone henge, pyramids of Egypt, notre dame. Probably so old they'd be turned to dust just from time passing even

[blazing wasp]

In the Golden age we'd absolutely work to preserve them

And we absolutely could

Stonehenge and the pyramids would last

Notre Dame may need repairs

Or maintenance

Collapse absolutely ruined them though

[heady gyro]

The structured probably were wrecked in the carnage, but i feel like the bones of some random pharoah would have lasted

[hasty needle]

hm

[slim girder]

Bones probably. But remember pharoahs were buried in tombs so during the collapse those tombs would have been torn apart sealing off anyway to get in. They'd be truly buried forever.

[foggy dove]

we do know more than 3 echoes were ejected from the traveler

only 3 stayed in the solar system as far as we know

conveniently those echoes are echoes related to civilizations that are present in the solar system and were destroyed by the witness directly or indirectly

so i dont think i would expect any more popping up

[slim girder]

A cinematic shows iirc 8 echoes with one apparently being destroyed on collision with something.
But I would take a representative cinematic with a fistful of salt

[blazing wasp]

Ain't Maya's echo someone not from the solar system

[slim girder]

^^^

[blazing wasp]

Commander of... I forgot the species name

[foggy dove]

yeah but the qugu were deleted specifically by savathun's brood

[slim girder]

The qugu. A race consumed by the hivi

[blazing wasp]

That's the bitch yeah

[foggy dove]

i think the point still stands idk

[blazing wasp]

I agree

I want to clarify this was an addition, not a rebuttal

[foggy dove]

the others are gone for a reason and probably are on a course for their original homeworlds

[blazing wasp]

One of them is fucking oryx

[slim girder]

I personally don't think we'll be seeing more echoes. The whole echoes plot was supposed to be an epilogue to the witnesses defeat and what would set us up for how our future would change. Which heresy did.

[blazing wasp]

It's a neat possible future plot point

[slim girder]

Maya still holds an echo yes but I don't believe we'd have any more echoes used as plotlines

[blazing wasp]

The narrative fringe I think the lead called it

[foggy dove]

maya is also explicitly losing control of said echo right now and her whole thing is kind of wrapping up

so the plotline is on its way to being put to bed probably

ngl im still excited to see what they do with the story now since the whole plotline of a group of vex gaining individuality itself is kind of symbolic of the dark and light saga ending

[modern lodge]

I reckon Maya will die within next year

[foggy dove]

we ended the dark and light saga and further rewrote the rules of the 'game' by finding another way to exist and championing the philosophies of light and dark at the same time, and now the vex are starting to change instead of being stuck in the loop of representing the flower game before paracausality

the whole new arc of the nine reminds me a ton of Albert Camus

honestly a ton of destiny seems very albert camus

[slim girder]

Universe is changing. IIIs death has set off a chain reaction that we don't actually know the full effects of. The narrative head at bingie even said that we would feel this sense of creeping dread as time went on after IIIs death

[modern lodge]

Apparently the rain is purple

And earthquakes and stuff

Like genuine changes are happening to earth

[foggy dove]

like genuinely read an analysis of Camus' "The Myth of Sisyphus"

[modern lodge]

Uhh caital's cough it sometimes

Which got cured from new flora

[foggy dove]

the themes of Absurdism as he calls it feel almost 1:1 with the edge of fate arc

[slim girder]

III was connected to earth in a way that you could almost call a member of the nine the planet themselves.
A "gaiaform" is another way to describe it, a planet as a living being.

[foggy dove]

the idea that Sisyphus lives "with the certainty of a crushing fate, without the resignation that ought to accompany it." is like literally the arc Ikora, Orin and Lodi all went through

while the drifter has fallen deeper into nihilism with the realization that his entire life he believed he was circumventing the fate the traveler forced on him and was just having his fate interfered with by the nine instead

i wonder how much of Camus the writers are referencing with destiny writing honestly because so much of the story seems to just repeat the same interpretations of existentialism

the entire point of the traveler in the story has been to grant humanity power yet not grant them meaning and see what happens trusting that they'll do the right thing and establish their own meaning of existence instead

[foggy dove]

what if we have to let the now individualized vex that are going to inevitably ally with us convert earth to stop it from rotting without its 'soul' lol

[slim girder]

I don't think they'd do that. These vex honestly look like they want to be left alone and do their own thing. No interest in converting other places into vex architecture or anything

We just leave them to play cards and chat amongst themselves

[foggy dove]

idk as of right now the first one we've directly interacted with immediately requested asylum

and the tharsis reformation seems more like a commentary on something like how ex-cons struggle to find legitimate work due to having low trust but also can't gain trust due to having low trust

given they gained sentience and freedom and immediately start doing crimes

i could see it being an allegory to adam and eve as well

they gained the knowledge of right and wrong and the first thing they did was create clothes for themselves

and now they're subjectively seen as committing sins

sol divisive already sort of went with biblical references instead of greek mythos and the choral vex are even more darkness and light influenced than them

[slim girder]

We don't know if they're actually doing crimes though. Underground doesn't always mean illegal and if they ask us to steal supplies from other gangs that's fair game because those supplies were already stolen to begin with.

We're not helping them steal from the city we're probably just helping them be able to sustain themselves and to maybe build their own place they can actually live if they truly wish to be like other civilisations.

[foggy dove]

they're literally called a crime syndicate lol

they do crime

[slim girder]

Sorry I should rephrase that. "Crime" to them might not mean the things we think because as vex who are still learning they might not understand what is a true crime if that makes.
Lets say you steal from someone, the person you stole from is the worst scum of the planet kind of bad. But you still stole and stealing in its base definition is a crime. So these vex could possibly see it like that.

[slow berry]

Do they?

Pretty sure you just like

See one and go "oh finally thats the one"

[slow berry]

damn are they in a relationship or

[heady gyro]

Reading Destiny Rising lore tabs and found chaperone's. Turns out that timeline's amanda died as a kid, and a squad from the main timeline acknowledges this. Something about "project clotho"

[slow berry]

I'd be very wary about taking anything from Rising too seriously, but yes, Rising "Project Clotho", which is about sending people to other timelines to pick up exotic weapons

Which, if you ask me, is just a cutesy way to get guns in that shouldn't exist without having to bother with lore explanations

Crimson's lore tab is basically identical except it adds something about needing to pay a debt off and then someone arrives there to offer to pay it off in exchange for the gun

It doesn't really work as tying the timelines together because it can't be the weapons from our timeline that they have

Otherwise we wouldn't have Chaperone and Crimson ourselves, y'know?

[heady gyro]

Obviously, it's just alternate versions of the same weapon

[heady gyro]

It's moreso i treat it as its own self contained terrarium compared to destiny 2, but some story beats here and there raise an eyebrow

[vast kiln]

Guys, is this what’s going to happen to earth after 3 died?

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[slim girder]

^^^

Give it maybe a couple years and we'll probably have to stop the earth exploding

[orchid folio]

bungie and incosistent traveller size, name a more iconic duo

[slim girder]

Wdym? The traveler isn't as big as you might think compared to even something like the moon.

[orchid folio]

it still looks pretty massive in the pic i posted

[slim girder]

Oh don't get me wrong it is definitely massive but compared to planets and other things in space it is quite small.

[modern lodge]

I miss seeing the traveler in the sky

[trim grotto]

@heady monolith

https://tenor.com/view/guidlines-pirates-of-the-caribbean-hector-babossa-georffrey-rush-gif-7844913

[sick yew]

I mean the Traveler has historically changed size depending on the scene plenty of times

Simply a stylistic choice

[trim grotto]

Most things of space scale are very inconsistent in Destiny

[sick yew]

Indeed

[sick yew]

Most things of in space scale are very inconsistent in Destiny

[hushed sable]

Hello!

[sick yew]

Hello

[hushed sable]

I have a whole thing typed out! So dont be alarmed, also not that long

I'm try to come up with a new destiny name and I'd like to have something tied to Eris morn. But I'm not sure of the naming convention i could use to complement who she is.

Example: omnigul being the "will of crota" im trying to have a name like that but have it fit and be correct.

Titles i tried, "the scholar of", "will of" but not really sure what would fit..

What im going for: Lawliet, [fill in text here] of Eris Morn

[sick yew]

Well considering Eris is for all intends and purposes a hive god of sorts you can fit do a lot of things into that gap

If you want to stick to the main narrative you could simply go with 'Knife' since thats just what she calls us, her Knife

[jagged badge]

Acolyte perhaps?

Knife is a good shout too

[sick yew]

If it isnt Eris giving advice on how to name a character headcanon-related to Eris

Amazing

[jagged badge]

Hang on lemme go consult the DLV

[hushed sable]

Oooh yeah she does refer to us as so!!

[sick yew]

Oh boy we're calling together The Committee for that one aint we

[hushed sable]

I considered acolyte as well but it has meaning kinda in destiny already

[jagged badge]

She does refer to us as her acolyte back in Season of the Witch

[hushed sable]

Oooo i missed that! So it does fit

[slow berry]

my personal theory is that it literally changes size

the traveler is aura farming consciously

[hushed sable]

So ive got
Lawliet, Knife of Eris Morn
Lawliet, Acolyte of Eris Morn

Awesome!!!! Thank you very much Alex and Eris!! Now i have to narrow down what one to pick

Knife rolls a lot better i feel

[hushed sable]

Because my handle is too long for bungies name slot. I went with and was able to fit "L, Beloved Acolyte of Eris"

[fluid peak]

It's a god made of something we don't understand. It can change size for cinematic reasons, as a treat

[ember storm]

Actually Fenchurch the reliable source says it smells like vanilla

[fluid peak]

I'm trying to send a message about it but apparently it's not allowed in the server >:(

It makes sense that the traveller can adjust it's physical dimensions at will so that it doesn't cause any gravity-based issues on the planets of varying sizes it inhabits

[fluid peak]

Fenchurch of the hidden? Yeah I trust him

Do we know if he actually went into the pale heart or if there's confirmation of it smelling of vanilla? I feel like I saw smthn about that somewhere during tfs

[dim minnow]

Funny how we had little reason to actually believe him here, but then lore from Sundered Doctrine armor pretty much confirmed it

[ember storm]

i like how he's called drifter and hasn't moved from his spot in like 5 years

[slow berry]

It already doesn't do gravity actually

[ember storm]

i like to think it was purely coincidental and Fenchurch was really just bullshitting though

[slow berry]

what if the pale heart is from where all the eververse shit comes from

and its just the traveler wanting us to have cute armor as a treat

and picked fenchurch as the Dripster

[ember storm]

Actually is there any reason silver coins would’ve been popular in the golden age

Like I know they’re just microtransactions shit but why give them a lore description at all

[slow berry]

The lore for them is outright wrong

Like it can't be factual

It describes it as awoken technology from the golden age

which, yknow

Not

[ember storm]

[dim minnow]

It said Reef settlements, not Awoken specifically

It's very possible that humanity had some settlements in that area during the Golden age

[ember storm]

Doesn’t the reef only exist because there’s ship graveyards to tie to the asteroids

[dim minnow]

Maybe they said Reef as a way of saying "what would become the Reef"

[slow berry]

we only colonized the places the traveler had terraformed i thought

mars, venus

[ember storm]

Well we still tried strong arming others didn’t we

Like Titan or Europa

Even if the traveler just gave them breathable atmospheres which I’m actually unsure about

[grand jungle]

Is it possible for savathun do to the Im osris thing again ? Or she uses someone’s else

[sick yew]

Possibly?

We dont really know how she did it so it was likely just 'hive magic' meaning she could probably pull it again

[grand jungle]

And she’s extra pissed at us now so this will be interesting

I’ll keep a eye out for Lodi XD

[sick yew]

I very highly doubt she could pull it on Lodi

Mans under protection of the Nine

[ember storm]

Drifter

[sick yew]

Still has the light

[ember storm]

no i just like saying the word

Drifter

difter

[dim minnow]

Drifter doesn't appear in this thread, we just like saying his name

[slow berry]

did savathun kiss saint

[fresh zephyr]

Where did the term vex milk come from?

[slow berry]

its white

thats about it

be thankful its not anything else

[ember storm]

Dawning ingredients

it was just called juice before then but i suppose the holiday spirit does a lot to people

[trim grotto]

It's simply because it is white. Like milk. It's just a colloquial name for radiolarian fluid.

Rolls off the tongue a bit better

[jagged badge]

Probably not

Osiris was a little more distant and it was chalked up by everyone to be grief over Sagira

[slow berry]

savathun should've kissed saint and also liked it i think this would add considerable depth to the characters and the lore and be widely regarded as a good move and make no one angry

[tight inlet]

Praydeth: still in the vault with a group of Ishtar people and has been on a cliffhanger for 11 to 12 ish years.

[trim grotto]

His data is free in the network, as are the 227.

[tight inlet]

Well, I hope he shows up in lore again or something. Maybe cycle breaker or something, idk.

[trim grotto]

He did, in Episode Echoes.

Not that long ago, really.

[tight inlet]

Yeah, but I mean become a plot line or something, since their might be something with Elsie or maybe it something else.

[slow berry]

they're just there really

they have nothing actively going on right now so it's hard to really focus on them without something acting on them first

[slim girder]

Praydeths whole story kinda ended after we discovered his bones back in the D1 paradox mission.

His name was mentioned recently sure but it's not enough to have anything come out of it

[blazing wasp]

is it really a cliffhanger if his story has ended

[dim minnow]

Aspect lore book though kinda implies he actually got out

[slim girder]

A lot of stories from D1 are sadly becoming a thing of the past. Like with the new dredgen in renegades you might think shin malphur would be involved but in the lore he doesn't seem to be as crazy anymore about hunting guardians who have fallen to the corruptive power of a weapon of sorrow

[dim minnow]

Shin's work is done

we don't need him anymore

[slim girder]

Exactly.

He has given that duty to us now with the last word. His plan to utilise dark weapons worked even with some guardians going over that edge like Jana 14

Still nothing on her yet btw

[sick yew]

YES WE DO

[sick yew]

I mean our LW is just a replica

[slow berry]

what is last wish a replica of

[sick yew]

Last Word smh

Context

[ember storm]

It is specifically the original

You clown

I am reaching across time and space to call you misinformed

[sick yew]

?

So Shin just left his og gun behind and the hive picked it up and tried to turn it into a Weapon of Sorrow??

[ember storm]

There’s literally an entire lorebook dedicated to him gifting it to us yes

[sick yew]

Wasnt that regarding Thorn? The much more delicate item in the mix

[ember storm]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vi-a-gift-and-a-touch-of-gray#book-letters-from-a-renegade

No

The gun came to you? How does it feel in your grip? Few can light its fire, but any reborn of the Light can call its name. That's a secret I'm bound to hold. Just know you've earned it, and you've earned it true. The cannon you hold is yours, but it is no replica—it is a gift from a friend.

The literal minute we get Thorn we work on purifying it also that came out months later in opulence

LW was back in black armory

[dense pike]

I was not able to DM that user, but that can't stop the banhammer.

godkid3314 has been banned!

[sick yew]

Anyway

[sick yew]

Okay so Shin left his legendary gun somewhere unsecure enough so that the Hive would get their hands on it

[ember storm]

I mean he also left the original thorn in the hands of Jana at one point, so

[sick yew]

What a lad

[ember storm]

He just kinda sucks at his job

[sick yew]

Should have let the hive have it and make another weapon of sorrow

[sick yew]

True but then again he do be a baller

So he is forgiven

[ember storm]

I would like more actual hive guns

[sick yew]

You mean Skyburners oath type shit

[ember storm]

Yeah

[sick yew]

Just faction gun the exotic

I mean what even is there left

[ember storm]

I think the last one we got was technically Ex Diris

[sick yew]

Yeah

And thats about it no

[ember storm]

Which was just a ramshackle copy made by Eris

I want that splitting fire gun that knights have sometimes

Or how about we pull a Kovik and put an ogre eye on a gun

New meta dps lmg

[sick yew]

Isnt that technically the same type of shit Ex Diris is just in a different fire mode?

Like dont all hive Knight guns look the same

I never paid too much attention to them but they look similar

[ember storm]

https://www.destinypedia.com/Splinter

Not at all whatsoever

https://www.destinypedia.com/Boomer

They also have cool axes

[sick yew]

They should give us the Cabal flame thrower

Including the backpack that nukes half the map if an enemy shoots it

[ember storm]

I would unironically love some kind of self destruct ability

I loved nuclear detonation in Titanfall 2

[sick yew]

I forgot what the bane was called but yeah that

For us

[dapper moss]

first exotic crossbow is gonna be one of these or one of the scorn ones im calling it

[slim girder]

Supernova?

Also speaking about hive weapons we could also get that smaller weapon acolytes use that fires void.

[ember storm]

eh i mean

[dapper moss]

hypernova

[slim girder]

Looks like a halo needler.

[ember storm]

whatever the strand smg is called

thats basically a shredder

https://www.destinypedia.com/Shredder

[slim girder]

That's the one.

I don't think barrow dyad is close enough imo.

[ember storm]

i mean i just dont think we need another rapid fire hive exotic primary

i want more unique things like the previously mentioned solar crossbow

[slow berry]

the hobgoblin sniper rifle is just a lfr

[spiral sorrel]

Wait a minute

do guardians who have lost their ghost age?

Cause like, eris has been around for ages right?

[dim minnow]

Zavala was able to fele the effects of aging after he lost Targe

[spiral sorrel]

Interesting

Eris does have her throne world but then osiris/zavala and the works it makes sense

[sick yew]

They do go back to aging technically yeah

[spiral sorrel]

I wonder if Eris died from old age, whether she would remain old in her throne world or go back to a previous age

Like if she was old, and died from being old, wouldnt she get stuck in a loop

[sick yew]

Good question but afaik none we have an answer to

[spiral sorrel]

Gotta get bungie on the phone rn for real

[slow berry]

i'd assume at some point in all the hive magic she would've stopped aging

i'd guess around the time of that whole becoming a hive god part

[spiral sorrel]

Yeah it would make sense if she managed that

[modern lodge]

She did manage that tho

She literally became a hive god

[spiral sorrel]

I meant more of managing to fix aging

[slow berry]

the drifter ghost lore is fucking wild

save my man for real

[spiral sorrel]

Drifter's ghost is insane

On the other hand, and completely different topic, is there like a name for elite groups of Elkisni?

Or some term like Splicers being meant for machinery n whatnot

[slow berry]

groups? not really i think?

titles are usually individual i think

there's houses, obviously, but outside of that it's just the ranks

[spiral sorrel]

Hm dang, ill just have to come up with some random thing myself then, wanna do more concepts for destiny stuff.

[slow berry]

the eliksni weren't exactly well positioned to create elite teams

[spiral sorrel]

Yeah, cause I know apparently on neomuna they have the "Vex Strike Force" although idk if theres any lore behind that

or it just sounds cool

Probably the latter

[slow berry]

vex strike force is just like

you

that's you

you're the strike force against the vex i think

[spiral sorrel]

ah here it is

[queen swallow]

I thought it was a strike force of Vex attacking the CloudArk?

[spiral sorrel]

the little tiny exotic text lmao

There is probably zero lore behind the name

[queen swallow]

Like, "why does the Vex Strike Force drop exotic armor"?

[spiral sorrel]

I basically wanna make some different concepts of these for different planets and post em so maybe someone at bungie sees it.

And also its fun to come up with random ideas and stuff

I know theres a few cases of people getting hired for making fan stuff like animations and whatnot but not my goal really, just want certain neglected parts of the game to improve

[modern lodge]

Like archon?

[spiral sorrel]

I know archon and them are like ranks, but I mean more like an individual group of Elkisni

Like a squad

[modern lodge]

Ohhh

[spiral sorrel]

Cause Splicers are the machine guys n whatnot

[modern lodge]

I don't believe so

[spiral sorrel]

Hmm dang yeah

[modern lodge]

There might be some obscure flavour text out there

[spiral sorrel]

Yeah id have to really dig lol

I suppose it would be a crew led by a Baron it seems.
"Most of the Barons encountered seem to be a variant of Fallen Captains, ranging from the height and strength of a normal Major or Elite Captain to having a towering height that could rival that of an Archon, and are usually found protecting an important objective or leading an assault in missions and/or strikes."

They also command one or more skiffs

An Elite Captain could also work

[modern lodge]

Well spider is a baron

The scorn had barons

[dim minnow]

Syndicates don't really follow the regular House system, so what defines "baron" in Spider's syndicate and the Scorn could be a little different

[trim grotto]

Spider actually scoffed at the idea of being called a Baron once

Seated on the floor, wrapped in the tattered white cloth of his burial shroud, the man once known as Prince Uldren Sov looked up to the wide shadow Spider cast in the doorway. He rose to his feet, then bowed. "Baron," he said mistakenly, unaware that Spider neither held no such a title, nor led a great house. Spider's response was a smug laugh, though he tried to temper it behind smiling words.

[dim minnow]

in Spider's case, it's more of a misapprehension of who/what he is according to others

[trim grotto]

He seems to have claimed the title since at least

[modern lodge]

Spider needs to go for a walk and lose weight

Fat fuck

[slow berry]

i love that hes deadass just fat

excess ether doesnt make you fat

bozo just is tony soprano on god

[foggy dove]

I like the idea that the nine hasn't directly fucked with the guardian at all because they can 4th wall break and tell there's some sort of external interference behind them

Considering literally every raid except like leviathan is supposed to be an impossible lock and story-wise we show up and make the exact key to that lock with a Dremel first try

[slim girder]

I don't understand this explanation?
The nine have absolutely directly messed with us. They enabled the red war to happen, yes we weren't the exact target but it was still their actions that caused us to almost go extinct and even doom themselves thanks to the almighty nearly blowing up the sun

[foggy dove]

the red war would've happened anyway

one of them tried to ensure it would go in the cabal's favor

[slim girder]

The red war would have been averted had we seen them coming. We definitely would have had to fight yes but it would have been nothing like what the red war actually was.

The only reason we got caught off guard was because a member of the nine sabotaged our satellites. The city is able to see quite a lot in sol through scouts, satellites and many other surveillance sources. We would have absolutely seen that kind of massive armada coming

Even more so considering they had a ship designed for the traveler specifically. Seeing that would have prompted an immediate response

[foggy dove]

yeah nobody would've ever expected the cabal were capable of sealing the traveler though

also ghaul already had countermeasures for the satellites the nine fucked with

they'd already prepared to bomb the satellites from long range

[slim girder]

We still would have noticed it. Ikora said "there are no satellites" meaning she didn't actually see them at all.
If a satellite had been sabotaged or destroyed an alert would have gone off.

The cabal are not stealthy. Them blowing up a satellite, moving that kind of armada across the system and especially with a ship designed to trap the traveler would have prompted a response to guardians.

[foggy dove]

a lot of the heavy hitter guardians weren't in the city at the time because they were investigating beacons that had gone down elsewhere including MC

MC guardian showed up last minute

[slim girder]

Shaxx, the vanguard and possibly thousands of other guardians already in the city would have been fine to hold them off while we and others rushed back.

[slim girder]

Because we didn't know.

Satellites had been sabotaged

No help could be called for outside.

[foggy dove]

you're making a ton of assumptions when early warning really would not have done much lol

no enemy had ever even shown to be capable of targeting the traveler before

how do you expect them to deduce a ship is magically going to shut it off

ghaul destroying the satellites from range wouldn't have exactly tipped off that an entire war fleet is coming

[slim girder]

The hive in D1 were draining the light from a shard of the traveler. Our enemies are absolutely capable of manipulating light to an extent and have always targeted the traveler.
The fallen in the beginning literally chased it, the hive want it destroyed because it is the enemy of sword logic.

[slim girder]

A whole war fleet would have been seen before they reached earth. As I said we have a lot of surveillance resources within sol and that's not including ikoras hidden and caydes scouts

[foggy dove]

the shard of the traveler thing happened in d2 man

the hive are the only enemy that had even been shown to be a threat on that level at the time

we had only ever dealt with cabal scouts

[slim girder]

No this was a different shard. We went into the hellmouth in D1 to stop a ritual which the hive were using to infect a piece of the traveler and we freed it.

[foggy dove]

oh yeah that happened but that was also crota

[slow berry]

"With minimal interference" implies a certain degree of interference

[slim girder]

The cabal in D1 were definitely no scouts. They took over most of mars, created the exclusion zone and we've also had major cabal threats such as valus ta,arc, the bond brothers, etc. A heavy cabal presence has always been in Sol

[slow berry]

The Nine freed Skolas to see what we would do about it

[foggy dove]

they are called scouting legions

word for word in the game

[slow berry]

They were scouts actually

[foggy dove]

also all the cabal in d1 except for the siege dancers were loyal to calus

[slow berry]

The entire point of that reveal is that they do all that and are seemingly weakened, then near the end of The Taken King you find out they were forward scouts and requesting backup

[slim girder]

Yes sry I had to quickly recheck that. But scouting legion or not they're still massive threats.

[foggy dove]

the siege dancers are the only faction known to be even loyal to ghaul

we had never dealt with any threat even comparable to the red war except for arguably oryx and oryx would never have been capable of directly attacking the city

[slow berry]

???

Oryx literally destroys planets for being in the way

[slim girder]

That's the cabal.
Even ghost says this in D1 when we go to mars for the first time

[slow berry]

The only reason Oryx didn't just wipe us is that Mara and her forces intercepted and damaged the Dreadnaught,at the cost of most of the awoken fleet and her life

[slow berry]

No but like

Oryx does that, too

Sort of, yknow, part of being a Hive god

The vex do that too

We gotta lot of planet wiping entities going around

[foggy dove]

and was massively weakened when he came into the picture

[slow berry]

in fact the entire reason we go to the dreadnaught is because cayde won't risk the dreadnaught firing again

[foggy dove]

oryx had no interest in actually killing us anyway

he literally did not give a fuck and wanted us to slay him

[slow berry]

by all means if oryx makes it to earth its ggs

[slow berry]

????

Thats

Thats the entire ass reason he's there

[slim girder]

No he wanted revenge for his son

His first words to us literally were YOU TOOK MY SON

[slow berry]

like the whole point is oryx gives a fuck

which is why he dies

[foggy dove]

If I am defeated I know it will be because my understanding of the universe was incomplete. I failed to anticipate some strategy, some nemesis. (Perhaps Taox, if she still lives.)

If I am defeated, I know that I will fall to something mighty. Something that craves might, something that loves what I love, which is the Deep, a principle and a power, the versatile, protean need to adapt and endure, to reach out and shape the universe entirely for that purpose, to mutate and redesign and test and iterate so that it can prevail, can seize existence and hold it, certain that this is everything, that there is nothing to life except living. And it has two faces, yet it is one shape. One face is the objective, which is obvious, and the other face is that will to sacrifice things and ideas for a single mission, the mission of becoming the shape, a shape that will not relent, the utter commitment to survival, to draw the right sword and choose where to cut: to allow this hunger to become your weapon.

So I will prepare a book, which is a map to a weapon. And my vanquisher will read that book, seeking the weapon, and they will come to understand me, where I have been and where I was going. And then they will take up my weapon, and they will use it, they will use that weapon, which is all that I am.

And armed thus with my past, and my future, and my present (which is a weapon, a weapon that takes whatever is available, a weapon bound to malice), they will mantle me, Oryx, the Taken King.

They will become me and I will become them, each of us defeating the other, correcting the other, alloying ourselves into one omnipotent philosophy. Thus I will live forever.

I’ll make sure.```

literally in this he was planning what would happen if he were slain

[slow berry]

This was preparations for his death, not preparing for being killed directly

Getting life insurance doesn't mean you're planning to run out into traffic, you know?

And that's what the Touch of Malice is

Life insurance, because all the hive gods turned out to be bitches about the whole sword logic thing

It also didn't work because we didn't take up the power left by oryx after killing him

so get mogged bozo

[ember storm]

this was not for us in particular

[slow berry]

I mean you can take it from the Echo of Navigation's word, Oryx died because he sought revenge for his son.

[ember storm]

this was for an actual hive successor rising up to kill him

oryx very much did not like us and did want to kill us

that's literally the entire point of the campaign

it's repeatedly pointed out that he's not making great tactical decisions because he's just zeroed in on revenge

[slow berry]

Something that craves might, that loves what I love, which is the Deep, a principle and a power

This seems to refer to the Winnower's ideals and that aint us

[foggy dove]

except

it is

the guardian represents the middle ground

[slow berry]

We actively run a wrench in the sword logic because we actively refuse it every time it is offered to us

That's sort of the entire point of the game actually kinda

[foggy dove]

especially ever since witch queen the story has consistently portrayed the middle ground between light and dark as being the right way forward

their ideals do not conflict

[slow berry]

I'm not talking about Light and Darkness, though.

I'm talking about the Winnower and the knives

The Winnower proposes that no matter what you do, a single pattern with emerge above all else and dominate everything else, while the Gardener grows tired with this and aids civilizations with the hope that coexistence may occur

[foggy dove]

that's a really narrow view of both that comes from the interpretations meant to be coming from the precursors when we know better now though

the two forces are in the end complementary, the guardian themselves is currently aptly described as the winnower's greatest knife

[slim girder]

We are no knife. The winnower calls us a "difficult friend"

In the latest lore we got from the winnower

[slow berry]

When Oryx communed with the Deep, he communed with The Winnower, and both agreed (at least at the time, for Oryx) on its choice, or ideals. That's what that lore tab is referring to

It specifically mentions the shape

[slim girder]

Eris is the only one we have been a "knife" for

[foggy dove]

everyone is a knife

or capable of rising up to be it

[slow berry]

Light and Darkness isn't related to the Winnower

Hence why the Witness actually primarily used Light when attacking (resonance is solar energy) and the whole reason he needed the Traveler for was using the Light and Darkness together

[foggy dove]

resonance is solar energy

no it is not what

[dim minnow]

Resonance is Darkness

[slow berry]

it do be dealing solar damage

[foggy dove]

so does siva

that's purely for gameplay purposes

[slow berry]

p sure siva was all three elements as required

[foggy dove]

siva damage was always solar

becasue it was red

it's for visual clarity

[slim girder]

Resonance isn't really anything. It's under the same umbrella as Siva imo.
Not light or dark but more a technology of the black fleet, every time we interact with resonance it's always to unlock doors or bring down barriers.

[dim minnow]

Resonance is purely the Darkness' counterpart to the Traveler's Terraformation

[slow berry]

i just feel like making resonance solar instead of any other sort of damage (or none at all) is a conscious choice

[foggy dove]

??? wdym none at all

[slow berry]

I interpreted it as a physical manifestation of the Witness' whole orchestral approach to the final shape

It's shapin'

[foggy dove]

all damage has to be typed in some way unless it's just an instant kill trigger or status effect

resist mods exist, ergo they will type damage somehow

[slow berry]

you can have non-typed damage actually

or kinetic

base melee attacks for example

[foggy dove]

ok and as a rule enemies never do kinetic damage lol

attacks are and always have been color coded because of things like threat modifiers and element resist mods

the exception is only melee attacks

and that's not even always true

[slim girder]

This isn't really about lore more just video game explanations.

I don't think it goes that deep

[foggy dove]

yeah it's just for visual clarity

[dim minnow]

The Pale blue coloration used for Terraformation and the orange coloration for Resonance have always been used to represent Light and Dark respectively

In Root of Nightmares, in Prismatic

[foggy dove]

also bungie literally stated multiple times resonance is the core 'language' of darkness lol

the orange shit is just how the witness manifests it

they tend to represent pure non-aspected darkness with either red or orange

red ended up getting changed to associate with nightmares later on, but they are kind of doubling down on it with the renegades stuff (partly because of star wars)

red/orange would be inferred to be tied to the negative emotions aspect of darkness which is why we never got the red subclass

and would also work with the whole red lightsaber sith dredgen tie-in

or at least what those negative emotions are expressed through

if stasis represents will and control and strand represents connection and collective conscious...

i'd guess it's in a way related to Freud's model of the mind that defines 3 levels of the mind

stasis being the conscious mind, actively exerting will and control, strand being the subconscious mind, "A vast reservoir of memories, beliefs, and learned behaviors that are not currently in your awareness but can influence your thoughts and actions. " , and the red one being the unconscious mind, which is primal instinct and repressed trauma

[cloud glacier]

wait, what role did Variks have to play in Forsaken?

how was he involved in the prison break?

[tardy elbow]

He sabotaged the Prison of Elders as a distraction to flee the Tangled Shore and get away from the Awoken

Which unintentionally got Cayde killed

[ember storm]

well for one he was the warden and also reset the entire prison's securiy systems so everyone would break out so he could use it as cover to escape

[frigid sparrow]

he kinda accidentally played a part in the mass production of dark ether by failing to cure fikrul and having a bunch of servitors and their ether get corrupted

[slow berry]

the soloist shell lore goes hard as fuck what hte fuck

i love the Nine

[dapper moss]

i just read that one when i got it actually

coolest shit man

i love this raid

[slow berry]

i need to get the fated weapon title man

[dapper moss]

i dont think its obtainable until epic raid?

idk

[slow berry]

fated weapon is

the raid title isn't i think

that one's atemporal

which is cool

but

[dapper moss]

oh thats the kepler ine

[slow berry]

it's no "Fated Weapon"

[dapper moss]

u right

idk little can make me take off ETERNAL or Transcendant

[nimble cloud]

Transcendent doesn’t come off of my titan

[dapper moss]

i think my lock is transcendant, titan is eternal, and hunter is Heretic

[slim girder]

As a prismatic lover I feel transcendent fits very well

[dapper moss]

as a prismatic lover and also a transcendent without the cendent myself i think its great

[twin fjord]

Hi

[devout nimbus]

No thanks

[ember storm]

I love lore

[queen walrus]

The lore and subclass system is why I've continued playing but man them turning the praxic into jedi just make me so sad.

[slim girder]

Wdym? Praxic weren't really turned into jedi, that group is just the destiny equivalent to the Jedi.

Always focused on the light, never once even tempted by the power darker sides possess and doing everything to keep that darker power locked away

[trim grotto]

Except they're literally giving Aunor star wars armour and a light saber so

[slim girder]

I guess. Idk one character being like I don't think translates to the entire order being that way.

[trim grotto]

The praxic blade was almost certainly a dawnblade of solar flame and now it's light saber

This is permanent

It just is that now

[slim girder]

Well the dawnblade at least from what we know requires light to be used in order to form. We make one when casting a super and we saw Osiris cast one as well way back when.
This could just be a stand in weapon that instead of having to channel light can be used on a whim.

Praxic blade could literally just be tool of the praxic order like a hidden blade is to the assassin brotherhood

[trim grotto]

light saber

[slim girder]

We don't even know if it's even actual light though. We've literally seen a red one and destiny already has a ton of energy weapons in its arsenal. I'm not saying it can't be light but I don't think it's right to make the immediate assumption that this a replacement to the dawnblade

[trim grotto]

I don't mean light saber as in Light
I mean
it's a lightsaber

and I'm assuming nothing
Older tabs went on about the praxic flame and the praxic blade, it follows, was a solar blade of light

Now it is
Star wars lightsaber

And we know that for a fact and it simply is this now

[dim minnow]

perhaps the Praxic Blade has changed

it is said that it is made from both Light and Dark, which there is no way the Praxic Blade has been like that previously

given that the Praxics zealously avoid Darkness

so perhaps the Praxic Blade becoming a lightsaber is an evolution of it

[queen swallow]

It is an actual blade (before it got turned to a lightsaber), right? And not a different name for some kind of philosophical razor like Occam's Razor?

[dim minnow]

maybe Renegades will deal with the Praxic Order adapting to the idea that Darkness isn't evil

[trim grotto]

"A Praxic blade could set the world on fire. We're very careful with our aim." —Warlock Aunor Mahal

[queen swallow]

That, to me, could still be read as metaphorical rather than a literal blade that would set the world ablaze

[frigid sparrow]

uhh in terms of someone like Aunor she's been referred to as the "Cormorant Blade" until only now recently it being confirmed that the Cormorant Blade is aslo what she calls her weapon

[dim minnow]

assuming this statement is literal, does that put Praxics at planetary level or...

[trim grotto]

And maybe it was
But whichever way it might have been is irrelevant now

Because it is lightsaber

[queen swallow]

True

[dim minnow]

false

[queen swallow]

Elaborate?

[dim minnow]

it is important to remember the evolution of something

the Praxic Blade is a symbol of the order

if it evolves, then it could mark an evolution in the order as well

[frigid sparrow]

I mean what if it's like. it takes a really long time

like plague inc

[queen swallow]

The narrative team has been one of the only solid things throughout this upheaval, let's hope the story actually leads us into discussions about that [Light vs Dark] again vis-a-vis Beyond Light did with the whole "Darkness is bad" to "Darkness is kinda okay (but don't use it in Crucible because that's mean)"

[queen walrus]

the point is that it could have been more unique, but they are just using the praxic order as an excuse to push the crossover. Its sucks man, yes you can make some similarities, but given the context and a literal lightsaber its not unique at all now.

[queen walrus]

thats just forcing the crossover narrative

[uncut schooner]

So i finally completed the Whisper. It's been my favorite mission so far. The sense of mystery, the impossible shapes, the visuals in the jump puzzle, the soundtrack those ominous voice snippets, it all built the atmosphere really well. But once you complete that jump puzzle, it feels flat. It feels like the same old destiny. Like this mission was the closest that destiny has ever gotten for me, near peak sci-fi, like Halo, Mass effect, Dead space etc

Normally i am not interested in the lore because i feel Bungie doesn't really care about onboarding new players to the existing story and the missions are just open maps with no narrative weight. Just endless flights of corridors inside the pyramids, the hellmouth etc etc. They don't feel relevant, they feel like Quake multiplayer maps. But the Whisper was incredible. It was weird and it was a jump puzzle but it felt alien and mysterious and not like other environments in the game.

So my question is, What is " Xol, Will of the Thousands", some kinda raid boss that was teased in The Whisper?

[trim grotto]

Xol was one of the Worm Gods, the beings which... well, caused the Hive to be what they are today. The Whisper did not tease Xol, however - it was a sendoff. We fought Xol before that mission, as the campaign boss of the Warmind expansion.

[uncut schooner]

Man, to me it felt like a buildup, really cool. It was actually a sendoff. I don't think Warmind is accessible anymore. Oh wel..

[trim grotto]

Not for about five years now, no.
The Whisper was more of a ritual. Xol's service to the Sword Logic. In our defeat of him, we proved to him we were capable. His power bound itself to us in the form of the Whisper of the Worm.

[uncut schooner]

Thanks, very cool!

[jagged badge]

That’s not confirmed. I’m assuming you’re referring to the Renegade Leader tab?

[uncut schooner]

Who created the Vex? I can't find an answer to this question. And, i've also noticed that you mostly fight Vex/Cabal/Fallen in portal. Does that imply some lore point that Hive/Taken/Scron have been weakned byt the Guardians to the point that they aren't a threat anymore? Like Guardians seemed to have killed off the entire Hive Pantheon nearly. Is that cannon or just the current portal meta?

Also, unrelated but if the Fallen had the light before Humans, how come there aren't Fallen Guardians?

[jagged badge]

You fight Hive and Taken in Portal activities too

[trim grotto]

As far as we know... nobody. They evolved, as a species. They're biological beings, microscopic radiolaria suspended within the fluid. The "Vex Milk".
They do, however, have some implied connection to the Precursers.

Also the Portal means nothing

As for the Hive Pantheon, Xivu Arath and Savathun still remain, as do half of the Worm Gods.

And the Eliksni never had Ghosts. Humanity was the only species to wield the Light as Guardians.

Ghosts didn't exist before the Collapse.

If you'd like to know more about the Vex, I'd recommend reading Clovis Bray's Logbook, parts 1 and 2. It also goes into great detail about the Exo and their creation.

I can link these if you'd like.

[uncut schooner]

Is this logbook somewhere in the game or do you gys read all this on destinypedia?

[trim grotto]

Absolutely never use Destinypedia

Hot garbage

https://www.ishtar-collective.net
Largely speaking, we use the Ishtar Collective.

[uncut schooner]

I use chathpt at times too. I assume it can do older lore relibaly?

[trim grotto]

Absolutely not

[uncut schooner]

Thanks mate.

[trim grotto]

Part 1 - this had to be manually transcribed, as it was part of the Beyond Light Collector's Edition. Physical item.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tmu9sjYV7c6X1NhRQmOxkj_o7IJ4ZRcifbm49MNr12s/edit?tab=t.0
Part 2 -
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/clovis-brays-logbook-missing-pages

[uncut schooner]

Nice. Pretty cool!

[frigid sparrow]

Yeag

[jagged badge]

There are two instances of ships named Renegade Leader with almost identical tabs. The one you’re referring to is the one done in error

Mael noticed this recently

One mentions the Cormorant Blade, the other mentions the Praxic Blade. The other is the lore tab on the X-Wing, which is the correct one given the name Renegade Leader

[slow berry]

@west tree

[west tree]

Nuh uh

[dapper moss]

renegade raider

[slim girder]

Was watching the renegades vidoc to see if I could make out any small details and I noticed this shot of drifter with a thorn. I assume this just represents his time with the dredgens but it makes me if at one point he did own a thorn. Maybe in that group it was like something you had to have in order to be a part of that crew.

Obviously these cinematics are more representative of events and not supposed to be seen as absolutely accurate but I do wonder if he did dabble in those weapons back when he was just trying to survive

[ember storm]

tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he was one of the ones who helped invent the replicas

rat man can just make shit like he mass-produced malfeasance after getting his hands on one chimera heart

[slim girder]

He's definitely got a proficiency in weapons craft. Guess back then he had to know or he wouldn't be able to protect himself.

Arbalest is just a rail gun firing a physical bolt.

[grim kite]

This might be an obscure fact, but does anyone know the name of the protocol Rasputin had that was to fire upon the Traveler?

[trim grotto]

The Abhorrent Imperative

and/or Loki Crown

If available ISR and WARWATCH indicates imminent [O] departure
>then [O] departure compromises human/neohuman survival and epoch strategy

Stand by for ABHORRENT IMPERATIVE:

Activate LOKI CROWN
Perform deniable authorization: full caedometric and noetic release
Prevent [O] departure by any means available

Stand by for effect assessment criteria:

Coerce pseudoaltruistic [O] defensive action.
Defer civilization kill.

STOP STOP STOP V101NTS923ATS001```

[grim kite]

OMG thank you!

[slim girder]

Speaking of this. I wonder if the traveler would defend itself should something like this have actually gone forward. Like we have cutscenes that have shown the traveler being destroyed or corrupted but i do wonder if the traveler would react if it truly was in REAL danger

And then also what would happen if it was struck? would it have a hole blown through it or would it do nothing?

[sick yew]

!banscam 381499054863024150

[ember storm]

what is bro waffling about

[slim girder]

Invest in strangecoin

[sick yew]

https://tenor.com/view/men-in-black-mib-will-smith-u-saw-nothing-kharter-gif-12731469441707899432

You were actually in the process of explaining to me why Shin Malphur is the best character in destiny lore Waltz

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-delta-rune-spamton-sweepstakes-gif-26748484

OOUUGHHH I LOVE LAST WORD

IT TOTALLY HAS REMNANT SOLAR LIGHT IN IT WHICH EXPLAINS HOW SHIN CAN USE GG WITHOUT A LIVING GHOST OURUURHG

[sick yew]

Jarren Ward, legend even in death

[slim girder]

Surely this new dredgen is really just Shin with another fake name playing around with a lightsaber

[grim kite]

I'm really hoping The Alchemist, coming in 2026 better be the end of Destiny 2 as a game.

In terms of a story for Destiny 3's intro. The Traveler finally waking up from its current corrupted Pearl heart state and decides to visit the solar system It abandoned the last. Riis. We follow it and maybe there's a massive threat thats threatening Eramis's efforts of rebuilding her world and we coming in to help her.

[strong tendon]

Nah they’ll just make an expansion about that and make the person threatening Eramis Maya

Because they love shoving Maya in random scenarios

[grim kite]

I wish they wrote Maya better XD

She interesting but lacking in some areas. One aspect Id do would be to have her have a Panoptes size Vex next to her acting like a body guard or something.

[slim girder]

We have yet to actually fight her though. She could very well do that sort of thing and we already have fought many vex of that size that she herself has built.

[slim girder]

I don't mean to be a buzzkill but destiny 3 isn't happening. We're with D2 for the long haul and a "Reset" with another game is not the right move.

[modern lodge]

Bungie is in no state to make a d3

And they'd have to compete with 6-7 years of loot and content

[slim girder]

People were already sad D2 took away all their loot. I don't think players will tolerate losing all of that a second time.

[ember storm]

D1 was only stomachable because it had a grand total of 2 years with 4 dlc to throw away

[hazy veldt]

Just to put it into perspective

A robo-lesbian has more love from developers

Than rhulk and nezarek combined

Both got killed off instantly despite nezzy having his arrival built for years prior

So robot lesbian is more interesting than space boogeyman

[sick yew]

Rhulk dying instantly is just cause hes a raidboss
And Nezzy I agree could have gotten more but considering Bungie is trying to make us forget Lightfall and Plunder and Revenant happened I am not surprised Nezzy is barely brought up

[hazy veldt]

I might be wrong but wouldn’t it be smarter to make nezarek the new villain, considering that he got ties to light and dark saga which are STILL main building blocks of the universe, nezarek doesn’t need a lot of lore to back him up considering that he is space boogeyman and unlike maya is actually likable in some way, his backstory could be tied to the nine in some way or another but instead they just let him in, kill him instantly and then lobotomise mithrax in revenant thus nullifying nezareks impact on the plot

Don’t get me wrong we had enough of the dread and pyramid theme but vex aren’t exactly new either

[blazing wasp]

the light v dark saga is over so

[hazy veldt]

It is

But light and dark like it or not

Are still foundation of universe in d2

[blazing wasp]

an antagonist tied to these forces isnt something bungie will do for a while

[blazing wasp]

yes but no longer active plot drivers

[hazy veldt]

Indeed

[blazing wasp]

nezarec would be exactly that, something tied to the paracausal forces that drives the plot forward

something bungie at most will do in the distant future

[slim girder]

Right now we're trying to move away from those forces to focus on this new saga which is all about fate as the name suggests.
Nezarec is cool but I don't see any place where he could come is as he still doesn't actually have any physical body anymore and as far as we know his essence is solely contained within mithrax now.

Or "Banished"

[blazing wasp]

i was of the impression eramis served nezarec an eviction notice from mithrax

[hazy veldt]

Makes no sense btw

[hazy veldt]

Nah he is still within

[slim girder]

Mithrax told us nezarec was still a part of him but that he has been closed off from the rest of his mind.

[sick yew]

I mean imma be real I dont get the Nezzy hyped anyway
He was a fine boss for the raid and his previous mentions were neat too but thats really about it

[blazing wasp]

ah

[sick yew]

To me personally he never had proper antagonist potential

[blazing wasp]

nezarec doesnt have the depth to ever be a significant antagonist

[hazy veldt]

A literal god who is tied to concept of fear itself is tied to 1 body of some lame eliksni and can’t actually do anything

[hazy veldt]

He was never given depth

Come to think of it

Neither does maya tbh

[blazing wasp]

nezarec is monotonous, one note, understandable and explainable without much thinking

[blazing wasp]

maya has some depth, and potential for more depth

nezarec doesnt.

[sick yew]

^

[slim girder]

Nezarec is just a really really angry god who enjoys suffering but that doesn't add really any depth to him. We have no backstory, no events from his life, nothing that could warrant a story focused around him.

[blazing wasp]

he's a really fucking fun villain, but he's too basic to become anything beyond what he's been

[hazy veldt]

Character that can be explained by “robot lesbian” and that’s pretty much it

A robot lesbian looking for her robot wife

[modern lodge]

Who killed a 4d entity btw

Something we can't do

[blazing wasp]

"messy divorce" unironically has depth to it

[hazy veldt]

Who killed god because yes

[slim girder]

Who went insane and was also one of the founders of neomuna

[sick yew]

Youre kinda doing her a bit of a disservice with that lets be real

She might not have the deepest of motivations but she has been in the lore for a long time and quite a few aspects to her and her variants

[slim girder]

Maya has a crazy amount of depth but I do think you're being pretty harsh when we have so much evidence of Maya having depth as a character

[blazing wasp]

"messy divorce, literally insane with batshit insane ambitions and goals, with the proven power to kill a god" has even more depth

[modern lodge]

She's been mentioned since year 1

[blazing wasp]

she doesnt have a whole lot of depth but she can have that

there is room for it

[slim girder]

She's been mentioned since destiny even started lol

[blazing wasp]

there isnt room for it in nezarec

all the depth nezarec can have has been explored

[sick yew]

Maybe Nezzy too went through a messy divorce

Who knows

[hazy veldt]

A civilisation that discovered secrets of existence itself and became disillusioned by it so much so they strove to reshape it and willingly reshape itself in the process vs me need le wife

[sick yew]

[slim girder]

It's way deeper than that and you know it

[blazing wasp]

i mean we can kinda break down the witness into something without much depth using your own wording

[modern lodge]

It's not just me need wife, she's wants to swap current earth with the earth from the collapse

[slim girder]

Witness = Me want traveler

[sick yew]

Witness? more like Nihilism crybaby
there

[modern lodge]

The witness was a fucking chud loser

[blazing wasp]

the witness can be broken down into "unquantifiably old crybaby throwing a tantrum because the universe isnt like it wants"

[modern lodge]

Stupid fucking chud witness

[sick yew]

The big orb in the sky didnt tell me what the point of existence is so we decided no one gets to exist individually

[modern lodge]

Maya is also fucking cringe as she's stupid

[blazing wasp]

same as maya can be broken into "insane and divorced"

divorce leads people to the worst of places, like digitising the carcass of a time god

[hazy veldt]

Believe it or not nihilism crybaby is better than me so lonely robot lesbian who has been given one of the most braindead broken powers in verse because fuck yeah she deserves it

[modern lodge]

Bruv her goal is to restore the golden age

[hazy veldt]

And why does she want to do this?

What’s her endgame?

[sick yew]

Because shes delusional

[blazing wasp]

honestly

[modern lodge]

She's literally crazy

[sick yew]

Thats like the whole point

[blazing wasp]

mayas goals can kinda be compared to the witness

[sick yew]

She isnt even that far off from the Witness yeah

[hazy veldt]

Endgame is to reunite with chioma as far as I understand it

[sick yew]

Both want to change the universe cause theyre crazy

[blazing wasp]

maya seeks to change the universe to cope with the fact the univese isnt how she wants it to be

they're both insane

[hazy veldt]

Absolutely ridiculous claim

[blazing wasp]

only difference is that the witness has no emotional depth

the ideology of the witness has depth
the witness itself at an emotional level is very flat and one note

maya is very much emotional

[modern lodge]

Btw III's corpse is in that structure in the middle of the epic final encounter right?

The hexagon thing

[sick yew]

Also I find it funny that you have such a problem with Mayas motivation when you initially suggested Rhulk and Nezzy as villains who have even less motivation besides the Witness said so!!!!

[modern lodge]

Lotta faces

[sick yew]

Damn fr?

[modern lodge]

I dunno that's why I'm asking

[hazy veldt]

Rhulk had to sacrifice his entire species to be initiated into disciplehood, witness literally killed itself to become one (plus they were practically gods even before being “veiled”), Mara sov got burped up by a black hole, 3 sisters sacrificed freedom of their kind into eternal bloodlust whithout which they can not live, savathun died couple times, oryx died couple times, killed akka, xivu died couple times too for their power

And then there’s maya

[modern lodge]

I should of said "is III's corpse"

[hazy veldt]

Who outclasses almost all of the mentioned

Because well

Echo found her

[sick yew]

But Rhulk still has no motivation besides 'The Witness said this is how it should be!!!!!'

Hes just a servant

[hazy veldt]

Not about motivation

[sick yew]

A strong one no doubt

[hazy veldt]

I was going for how they got their power

[sick yew]

I mean ig?

[modern lodge]

I don't know why you are still fighting this astmoe

[sick yew]

I mean they can have their opinion

You dont have to like Maya

Its preference at the end of the day

[modern lodge]

It came out wrong

[sick yew]

I get what you mean because I dont agree with their points either

[blazing wasp]

im fighting this, you WILL like maya, you WILL feel bad about disagreeing with me

[hazy veldt]

I hope so because if narrative team will slack off too

Game will die completely

There is still time so

[modern lodge]

Ehh portal has to go

[hazy veldt]

Finally

[modern lodge]

Narrative team and RaD team have been very good

[hazy veldt]

Someone else said it

[hazy veldt]

They can not afford to and it’s not like they have bad rep

[slim girder]

Wouldn't really say it found her more she just got to it first when it landed on nessus in what I'm assuming was radiolaria. Many hands reached for it but hers got there first and that's how it happened.

This echo didn't choose like the echo of Riis did

She seized it and the entity inside willing or not was just along for the ride and talking to Maya based on her actions. Currently her echo is displeased with her murdering III and even seems to have been damaged exerting the power needed to do that kind of thing

[frigid sparrow]

Yeah, one of the lore tabs more explicitly expresses how it was a desperate race to the echo. A presumed ashir mir also tried to reach out, but was too far within the vex network to do anything

[fluid peak]

Lightfall...

[fluid peak]

They either drop portal entirely or lock in and fix it, but it's too much Dev work either way - if they drop it they've just burned what is presumably an awful lot of time and money, and to fix it is no small endeavour.

[slim girder]

The portal is staying whether people like it or not. And in the long run this is a good system and gives the game one central place where you know you can gain power from.

Is it a work in progress? Absolutely but it will change as time goes on like it has ever since EoF came out

[jagged badge]

I’ve always said that I think Portal is a good basis in concept

It just needs work 😭

But having an incentive to run old activities is nice imo

[slim girder]

Exactly. My personal thoughts on it are I wish all types of gear could be in the bonus focus pool instead of exclusively having the newest be the bonus focus

But aside from that I do like the system.

[sick yew]

Im sorry is this called gameplay discussion?

Back to lore you nerds

[slim girder]

I've been seeing theories that the new dredgen in renegades is actually cyrell the "ghost hunter". Would be a pretty hectic duel if him and Micah 10 ever crossed paths.

[ember storm]

I think it’s pretty boring to just put every morally-grey/antagonistic Lightbearer as a Dredgen

Also what would the threat even be we could just one tap him and be done with it

[slim girder]

Dredgen yor took out multiple well known guardians seemingly without too much effort.
If this new dredgen is a REAL dredgen similar to yor then they're definitely not someone who could be dealt with just like that.

Worth noting that dredgens from gambit and dredgens from the shadows of yor aren't embracing the full extent of the title.

[ember storm]

Because he had thorn

A gun that one taps guardians and ghosts by eating their light

Cyrell would literally just be equal to any other guardian but without any rez because his ghost left him

What’s he going to do if I just EoT

[slim girder]

Cyrell already was seen as a bad guy. If he's embraced the title of dredgen then that could definitely mean he's tapped into a dark power of sorts.
Obviously there's no confirmation it even is cyrell but if someone is claiming to be a dredgen then I think that warrants the assumption that they've put their hands into some corruptive powers and become a lot more dangerous because of it.
We even see in the marketing that this dredgen is holding a ghost

If they went through that whole process of becoming a dredgen to the point it's considered an "ascension" then that could mean they've gone down the same road yor did and gone full blown guardian killer.

The red lightsaber is probably the result of that corruption but who knows maybe they do have another weapon of sorrow stashed away.

[ember storm]

I kinda just hate the lightsabers existing tbh

Like Dredgens aren’t supposed to be an order you graduate to just because you kill people, it was a bunch of pretenders that Shin was intentionally trying to weed out by drawing them into the open

[slim girder]

Dredgen is a title. The analogue here and bungie have also said this, was that the dredgens are the stand ins for the sith.
And they aren't entirely wrong but being a dredgen means going through stuff such as the ritual of unmaking and crafting your own weapon of sorrow through the use of dark power. The shadows didn't kill guardians though as they walked that fine line in pursuit of power.

Though I would argue a TRUE dredgen would be something like what dredgen yor was. A ruthless outlaw and murderer with no moral code. And this new dredgen as far as we know seems to be doing that going off the marketing of them holding a dead ghost.

[ember storm]

If they specified it was actually a real Shadow I’d be more open to it

feels like they're double dipping for no reason

funnily enough this also reflects my feelings for maul being a crime lord in solo like why did he do that

[dim minnow]

His goal was to establish a secretive syndicate (The Crimson Dawn) with the purpose of subverting the Empire

Similar to what he was doing towards the end of the Clone Wars, but not as open

[ember storm]

yeah but they didnt fucking do anything with it

how much of this is clear in the actual movie

maybe actually build up to it earlier

[dim minnow]

At least we have the upcoming Maul Shadow Lord show

[ember storm]

how many years it been now

[dim minnow]

A few decades probably

[ember storm]

all this just to ragebait a 14 year old and then die in one hit in a desert

[jaunty briar]

has Destiny always been set in just Sol? i know there's lots of dimensions and stuff but have we had locations in other star systems?

[sick yew]

Destiny has mainly been set in Sol forever really
There are occasions where we go beyond like when we visit the Black Garden for example