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sick yew
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Good ol Banshee

slim girder
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^^^

river surge
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No

slim girder
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And the big head

river surge
sick yew
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Im still mad we never got a followup for the Lament quest
Dude said he was gonna walk his ass to Europa and have a talk with the big head but naaaah

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Its funny cause he most likely just forgot but still

river surge
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big head

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AI vs AI type

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Ultron vs Vision

sick yew
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Banshee isnt an Ai

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Hes just an Exo

river surge
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Ik

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I find it wierd how exos are just idk

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They are wierd

sick yew
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They arent that weird imo, you download a brain to a USB and plug that into a robot

river surge
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Yeah wierd

sick yew
river surge
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All of that in search of immortality

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Couldnt be clovis

ember storm
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they work by harvesting vex brain juice but killing off all the vex cells with darkness

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so you've got a liquid brain that a scan of a human mind can be put in

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boom, robot people

slim girder
river surge
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I said Clovis

ember storm
slim girder
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Everyday this man just gives us more of a reason to hate him. He wakes up says "what other heinous thing can I do to really piss people off"

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I'm kinda hoping him and maya meet one day

slow berry
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they did kinda

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a lotta years ago

slim girder
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Nah I want to see what the dynamic would be like now with Clovis as a big head on Europa and maya as this vex exo hybrid with an echo

ember storm
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She would slap his big bald head

dim minnow
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Maya's getting desperate, maybe she will resort to a partnership with Clovis

ember storm
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and then she would slap his big bald head

river surge
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We slice Maya head and place it in the room with big bald head so they stay there and complain forever

broken zephyr
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So like, what’s the Echo of Riis up to

queen swallow
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It's wherever Eramis has gone after the end of Revenant

trim grotto
frigid sparrow
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funniest possible thing for bungie would do would be do some stupid bullshit like reversing the polarity of dark matter into some stupid shit like light matter CATGRIN

queen swallow
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Isn’t light matter just regular matter?

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There is, however, such a thing as light dark matter

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Because scientists sometimes suck at naming things

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There’s also cold dark matter, warm dark matter, and hot dark matter

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No, they don’t have anything to do with temperature, why do you ask? They actually signify how heavy the particle is

dim minnow
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lukewarm dark matter

frigid sparrow
sick yew
blazing wasp
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matter (you)

sick yew
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🄹

ember storm
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Nobody

sick yew
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Somebody

ember storm
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no

blazing wasp
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Nothing (really matters)

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Anyone can see

sick yew
slim girder
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Something

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('s in the way)

wary rose
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I have a question about the campaign, if anyone can answer. I'm partway through, step 19 of 31. Ikora was smack-talking the Archon over comms, and mentions something like "You can't use the singularity to get to III". But III hasn't been named once yet. Even after possessing Lodi, it doesn't identify itself. Did I miss something? I feel like the narrative is jumping ahead of itself.

fluid peak
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You missed something in that you should probably just.. finish the campaign.

wary rose
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It just doesn't make sense that suddenly she knows that's what's on the other side. I've been following as slowly as I can and she just up and says that.

fluid peak
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At that point in the campaign (if memory serves) ikora has pointed out that The Giver the archon talks about is probably III, and that the archon intends to use the singularity to reach the giver

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The singularity =/= III

wary rose
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The only thing said so far is that the Archon stole their power from the Giver, not that the Giver is III.

fluid peak
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Again, in the interest of not spoiling you please continue the campaign I promise things make sense eventually

wary rose
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I hope. At this point it just feels like a skip in the narrative.

fluid peak
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I've ran the campaign a few times and I'm pretty sure there's a line or two about similarities being drawn between III and the giver

slow berry
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it's one of the side quests that brings it up

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they're a little fuzzy in the order

slim girder
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The side quests help provide a lot of context and fill in gaps. Would recommend doing those every now and again as you do the campaign

hidden pebble
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are there any pics on what cabal look like?

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also, what exactly are they?

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caiatl’s tusks kinda confuse me

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hidden pebble
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are they broken off here or something?

jagged badge
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Tusks are a trait of female Cabal

hidden pebble
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oh

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thought it was a somewhat similar case to eliksni losing arms

jagged badge
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Notably, Caiatl’s Champion in the Proving Grounds strike is a male Cabal who opts to wear a helmet with ceremonial tusks in honour of Caiatl

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Though Caiatl thinks it’s stupid iirc

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I personally like to say that Ignovun is just a femboy

hidden pebble
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a flamer, if that joke doesn’t go too far?

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bcuz of the fireballs?

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a better topic from that

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do eliksni arms grow back?

jagged badge
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Well

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Iirc, it’s the bottom set of arms that are typically docked and can regrow, which is why Variks has prostheses since they’re his top arms

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I could be wrong though

hidden pebble
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docked?

dapper moss
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variks has a prosthesis purely for the aura

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he chooses not to regenerate

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hidden pebble
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that’s why a few have them wrapped in bandages?

jagged badge
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You can see here a Dreg whose arms are clamped and then a Dreg whose arms aren’t and are unrestricted in the process of regrowing

agile panther
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Did Orin have to kill her ghost to become emissary

queen swallow
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No

agile panther
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What happened to it then? Or is it alive and she’s still a guardian?

queen swallow
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Most of what we know comes from the "Invitations of the Nine" mission from Season of the Drifter. During this quest, we see Orin, as the Emissary, floating with what appears to be a representation of a ghost next to her. It falls to the ground as The Nine say "You lost everything." This has been taken to represent that Gol, Orin's ghost, died. We do not explicitly know whether or not she killed it or if the Nine did it, but I don't think she did it.

trim grotto
jagged badge
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It’s too late for me to be thinking of how to source the things I think I remember too 😤

trim grotto
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It's always the safe bet if you don't have a source on hand, haha

wooden vector
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Why is nezarecs sarcophagus present in Cataclysm (1st) encounter of RoN? Its the same pedestal with the psion symbol and sarcophagus that appears in final enc

dim minnow
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so basically, the 1st and last encounter are both in the same area

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it's just that the Tree of Silver Wings that was growing throughout the raid heavily shifted Essence's (The Witness' Pyramid) terrain

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and throughout the raid, Nezarec's body was reforming

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at the start, you can see it's just his head in there, but more of the body appears as the raid progresses

wooden vector
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Is there a map of the entire raid? Like im trying to figure out how we circle back to the same area.

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And do you see the sarcophagus in any other encounters? What does the explicator have to do with any of it?

dim minnow
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it's where the death wave comes from

dim minnow
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the terraformation beam already did a number on Essence, but the Tree growing (presumably through our actions in the raid) just made things move around even more

dim minnow
wooden vector
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But I guess its different here

green cobalt
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you can see Rhulk? i know he's aura farming from the start but i didn't know you could see him

dim minnow
green cobalt
dim minnow
green cobalt
dim minnow
wooden vector
dim minnow
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THE UPENDED

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A TRIUMVERATE

green cobalt
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well yeah isn't the upended kinda the centerpiece?

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THE UPENDED

dim minnow
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OPPORTUNITY

queen swallow
dim minnow
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PRESERVATION

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SALVATION

cloud glacier
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what’s the lore behind VEIST

dim minnow
blazing wasp
dim minnow
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reminds me about how the Awoken were created because of a rabbit embryo

slim girder
cloud glacier
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lmao

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OLD AUSTRALIA

dim minnow
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we have some info about how that place is doing

blazing wasp
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Getting inspired by watching some guy dying from a snake sounds like something a yakuza protag would do before unlocking a new fighting style

dim minnow
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Hawkesbury got flooded and is now the Hawkesbury sea where an order of Warlocks known as the Fighting Dharug organize to preserve the remaining wildlife in the region

cloud glacier
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eh, not as fun as Old Chicago

dim minnow
# dim minnow some guy got bit by a snake and died, the guy watching it got inspired

Anyway, that's where VEIST comes from. The inspiration, I mean. Weapons with all the power of a venomous creature. Plus an onboard AI with that creature's killer instincts.

And now there's the Colony. A grenade launcher packed with fully mobile, AI-controlled insectoid detonators, each one designed with a taste for blood.

We've made some pretty messed-up stuff. You've probably seen it. You know. But we've never made anything like the Colony before.```
slim girder
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Also I think the there is genuine credit to veist having Australian heritage given 2 of their weapons are named after Australian wildlife.
Funnelweb, ikranji.

dim minnow
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the implications that each VEIST weapon has an onboard AI based on the specific venomous predator it's based on are interesting to say the least

slim girder
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WAIT

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There's 3 now because of the lionfish

dim minnow
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yeah, but that's just because Australia is where all the bad animals live

cloud glacier
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America has some bad animals too

dim minnow
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yeah, but Aussies got a lot of the venomous ones

blazing wasp
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the komodo dragon is also pretty fucked up, which they had a weapon from

dim minnow
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yeah, VEIST weaponry includes cratures all over the world

slim girder
# cloud glacier America has some bad animals too

You might be mauled by a bear. Buy at least you won't die in under 15 minutes from a spider with fangs big enough to go through shoe leather or an octopus the size of a 50cent coin with a painless bite that'll shut your organs down

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Or a nearly invisible jellyfish that even when dead can still hurt you just from a stray tentacle grazing you

blazing wasp
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bears are pretty brutal too actually

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but i cannot elaborate on this server me thinks.

dim minnow
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and again, VEIST weapons focus on venomous creatures specifically

slim girder
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Which we kinda specialise in over here.

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Death adder adds 4 to the list

dim minnow
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Tex Mechanica and VEIST do a collab and make a weapon called the Rattlesnake Mk.25

blazing wasp
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id like to see a blue dogshit veist gun someday thats just "common european adder"

slim girder
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A blue veist smg with tap the trigger

dim minnow
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they also seem to use fictional creatures as well

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like the Manticore

slim girder
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Was just about to say that

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I wanna say osteo striga could definitely be derived from a veist SMG and with the whole venomous deal it'd make sense

dim minnow
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while the weapon itself is made by Jana-14, it's frame definitely is based on VEIST smgs

slim girder
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I wouldn't be surprised if just like thorn it was a veist SMG turned into what it is now through killing and hive magics. Not to mention the bones of the ones jana 14 murdered

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As is the method for creating a weapon of sorrow

dim minnow
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VEIST wasn't a thing back in D1 so that's not very likely

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we actually have the exact weapon Thorn used to be actually

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Rose

blazing wasp
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Which we made into lumina

dim minnow
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which got corrupted into the OG Thorn which we then purified back into Rose, then we infused Rose with Light to make it into Lumina

slim girder
dim minnow
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Osteo was not made until much later on

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her research was with Necrotic Grips

slim girder
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I know but I'm just saying that's when all of that started. Obviously Jana 14 saw that and after some time osteo striga was created by her. Again I said it might be the same process that created thorn where a veist SMG was changed over time through dark hive magic (maybe from the necrotic grips even) and the bones jana "fed" to the weapon after murdering someone

dim minnow
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well Rose turned into Thorn because Rezyl grafted a Hive bone onto it so you may be onto something there

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but the SMG itself must be post-Red War since it is VEIST

slim girder
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Samples of her own fellow researcher who was infected by that corrosive power must have "leaked" onto her weapon possibly.

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Reyzl hears whispers coming from the bone he grafted to his rose so maybe that same energy whispered to jana? You can see her becoming a lot more enthralled by how the necrosis worked on living targets

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Maybe an infected tissue sample which is what we can see on the actual necrotic grips is what caused the transformation and the bones of janas victims are what transformed the once veist appearing SMG into the osteo striga

green cobalt
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why is Veist's "krait" called that and not "bungarus" cannycat imagine telling people to get bungarus

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ballyhoo level name

trim grotto
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even if it absolutely would make it 150% more popular

slim girder
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So i guess the big tentacle monster was always the idea of what the nine would "look" like. Though with beings like this i imagine that this might be just how our minds perceive them

dim minnow
slim girder
dim minnow
dim minnow
dim minnow
slim girder
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If they're a keystone then maybe the nines existence as a whole is what governs those other forces. Like imagine putting a face to gravity if that makes sense. Kill that being and then that force goes away

dim minnow
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maybe not go away, but go looney

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since III is tied to Earth, perhaps its death will affect Earth specifically

slim girder
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Yeah, Allison from narrative did also say there would be a sense of creeping dread as time went forward due to this very unnatural death of such a force

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Maya just murdered one of the biggest forces in possibly the universe in a tantrum so there's going to be consequences to that

dim minnow
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what if something related to the Red War gets pulled forward

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or someone

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and that could be part of what kicks of Renegades

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there's also indication that IV is going to cause Renegades

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or will be related to it

slim girder
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No clue. 3 pulled things through time but we don't know if the other nine possess other abilities or if that's the same among all members

dim minnow
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since IV and III were probably the closest two members of the Nine could be to best friends

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or lovers?

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idk, what's important is that III and IV were close

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and III's death is making IV very reckless as stated when IV itself claimed that grief was making it not care abotu the rules

slim girder
# dim minnow there's also indication that IV is going to cause Renegades

If i had to guess maybe this "bind the nine" thing might actually be each member binding to us as a sort of deal. We help them deal with this new dredgen since paracasual forces can pose problems and in return they help us. Though i can't say the outer orbits would be so friendly given what we know

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And again i'm curious if other members have different abilities. not anything massively drastic but maybe they just manipulate things like time in different ways.

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3 sends trains, 7 sends planes

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And 8 sends a boat.

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That kind of thing

dim minnow
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I kinda just think they can all do the same things at a base level

slim girder
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Plus 3 was innocent, the other members could very much become antagonistic towards us

dim minnow
slim girder
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We'll have to see what happens. I think we'll end up helping the "good" nine to bind them but the others might need a more forceful approach

modern lodge
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Did we find out who the god of nothingness was or what ever was controlling the take during heresy

slim girder
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The god of every nothing is their name. It's not a title or anything as far as we know

dim minnow
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some speculate it is VI

slim girder
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Can't say i disagree but i don't believe it is myself. I think this is a completely new being made real by the takens will and need for a leader. Heresy was said that it'd open the door to new mysteries and this new god could be one of these new mysteries

slow berry
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its certainly one of the IX imo

slim girder
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New things and beings are being made or making themselves known to take up the power vaccuum left by the witness

river surge
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I love when they make the reality of our own into Destiny with these crazy designs

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The Traveler looks like a fruit
The Veil looks like a manifestation of a mushroom/fungus
and III in the original design looked like a starfish (depending on individual who saw it)

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I just want them to make The Nine unique, they may not be paracausal but they are sure creepy and interesting

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And ngl that humanoid form design looks creepy asf

slim girder
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Something to also note is that we saw 3 in a vision when maya killed them. But WE haven't been face to face with them yet so the form we saw 3 in could have def been what maya perceived

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That's just my thoughts though

queen swallow
slim girder
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My b. But it is still a new god in a sense since it is worshipped by the taken and even the dread

river surge
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And somehow it blocks carves that should be affiliated with The Winnower

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So whatever this new god is its just insane

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Althought it may be VI since well the eyes looks very Nine ish based on how III designs looks like but yeah

river surge
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And who exactly are the Arhitects that are killing me for no reason

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Huh

sick yew
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'The Architects' are just a joke by Bungie when you get killed by slamming into the environment or something

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Many people have over the years tried to theorize theyre actually supposed to be Bungie themselves manifested in universe but I personally think thats bullshit

river surge
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Evil Destiny confirmed

modern lodge
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Alex do you know some cool warlock lore

sick yew
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I always liked when Aunor in the Tommys Matchbook loretab skips half the stairway by blinking between the floors without a care

modern lodge
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So like he'd just blink up a level?

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When ever aunor is mentioned I keep thinking of the ainur from lord of the rings

sick yew
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She was going down a spiral staircase I think and just kinda zipped through with blink a few times

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The Matchbook entry is hilarious anyway

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Who are you?
'Tommy' said the Ghost
'Ghost' said the Hunter

modern lodge
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Is Tommy's matchbook any good?

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Alex I require more warlock lore

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I really like when lore talks about light usage

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Expanding upon what we see in game

sick yew
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That shit went crazy

fresh zephyr
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I use it on my solar titan

grand jungle
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is there much lore on champs on how enemies become champs?

sick yew
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As far as I can tell champions arent even canon

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If you wanna go into headcanon/tinfoil territory you could probably make up some shit like theyre enemies touched by darkness or some shit which empowers them

grand jungle
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that could work i like that

sick yew
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Mhm, just keep in mind thats based on nothing at all

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To my knowledge Champions have never been acknowledged in the narrative at all

modern lodge
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Banes and champs are all gameplay

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We say that and weapons rolls are in lore

grand jungle
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so random rolls are lore?

trim grotto
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"Champions of what? A lofty title won't protect them from you." —Commander Zavala

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wow

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amazing

trim grotto
modern lodge
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Trench barrel is a perk mentioned I think

modern lodge
sick yew
# grand jungle so random rolls are lore?

yesnt
We sorta got something related in the Grasp of Avarice narrative
To me personally tho it was always more about various things relating to the gun itself like a different type of barrel or scope
Not effect perks like rampage

trim grotto
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it's simply an old daily bounty

grand jungle
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lore in d2 is so cool

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my fav raid lorewise is VOW

modern lodge
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My take is that the guns are infused with light giving it those properties

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Probs wrong tho

sick yew
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But that would be based on the Lightbearer that uses them

modern lodge
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True

sick yew
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Sure if you are skilled with the light you can probably make your bullets do more damage but thats on you not the gun

modern lodge
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You're right yeah

sick yew
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The way I imagine weapon rolls is you walk your ass through the cosmodrome and find a handcannon with a different grip than the one you found last time

modern lodge
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Unless they have some shien factory type thing where guardians slap a gun and bam

modern lodge
sick yew
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Youre referring to Grasp lore right

modern lodge
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Nah before that

sick yew
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Drop some facts I wanna read up

modern lodge
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If I remember correctly it talks about a guardian buying a shotgun with trench barrel

sick yew
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Trench barrel could just be a specific type of barrel rifling tho

modern lodge
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Mind you I read it ages ago and I could of been misinterpreted it

modern lodge
sick yew
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That doesnt have to mean it works the same way in lore

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There is and always has been a varying degree of disconnect between lore and game

modern lodge
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I'm trying to find it gimme a sec

sick yew
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Found it

modern lodge
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That's it

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Found it the same time as you

sick yew
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Imo this doesnt disprove my interpretation

grand jungle
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what is saints actual weapon

sick yew
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Perfect Paradox is what he commonly uses

modern lodge
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But as you said, it could be a physical property

grand jungle
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always thought bastion was his gun

sick yew
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Its a different version of the gun with different strengths
Saying 'tactical mag' is a bit weird cause its a shotgun but it could simply refer to a way the tube in which the bullets are stored is setup

sick yew
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From a different timeline in which we died

grand jungle
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ah forest of intfinte time or something

sick yew
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Corridors of Time

modern lodge
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People were pissed about that

sick yew
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Rightfully so

modern lodge
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I mean yeah, doing all that for an exotic that you would of gotten anyway

sick yew
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Either the Corridors of Time are correct and free will is a myth (rendering paracusality useless)
Or it simply shows a different timeline which means the scene of us finding our grave meant jack shit

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Cause theres infinite timelines and infinite possibilities

grand jungle
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isnt ther grave there us if wittness killed us

sick yew
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Back then the Witness wasnt a concept

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And we never found out how that version of us died

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The Witness wouldnt become a known concept until Witch Queen
Corridors of Time happened in season of Dawn aka Shadowkeep year

grand jungle
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wonder if we ever wil go to back to corriders of time story or area

modern lodge
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No

sick yew
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Unlikely considering Mercury doesnt exist in Sol rn

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And even then I doubt we would return to them

grand jungle
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bc of sunset or did it get blown up?

sick yew
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Irl reasons are Sunset
Lore reasons are cause the Witness snatched it along with Titan, Mars and Io

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Titan and Mars have since returned to Sol but Io and Mercury remain missing

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We briefly got a glimpse of Io during Episode Heresy as part of the ascendant plane in the Dreadnaught tho idk if that was the actual Io

modern lodge
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I completely forgot titan came back...

river surge
grand jungle
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wasnt that with the taken titan

modern lodge
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The only thing left is the dungeon rn?

grand jungle
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forgot who her name

river surge
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Cause I forgot

sick yew
river surge
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What

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Nah

sick yew
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Same as Mars

river surge
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Thats just bs

sick yew
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They just showed back up from the 'void'

grand jungle
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salon was is that it?

sick yew
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Sloane

river surge
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Still dont understand how tf could The Witness abduct planets

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But thats fine

sick yew
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Pretty sure the Updended could do it? My Vow lore is wonky

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@trim grotto I call upon you

sleek matrix
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Remember ron

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The room

grand jungle
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didnt rhulk kill one of the xol worms to make the pyrmind in the raid

sleek matrix
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Planets

river surge
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WAIT

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WE WERE MOVING WORLDS

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YES

sleek matrix
trim grotto
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Pyramids. Taking.

sick yew
river surge
sleek matrix
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That encounter is the same from the wq cutscene

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Same area

sick yew
grand jungle
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wasnt one we first seen wittness wasnt he moving planets?

river surge
sleek matrix
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They get yeeted

trim grotto
sick yew
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Ah so it was the actual Io we saw in Heresy

river surge
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Top 2 wierdest places to end up

sick yew
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Then yeah, Mercury is currently sitting somewhere in the Ascendant Plane

river surge
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  1. Ascendant Plane
  2. Vexnet
grand jungle
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isnt plane hte dark place taken are?

trim grotto
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And Taking has terrible potential if wielded by a mind more nuanced than Oryx's. Taking involves reforming matter in a self-contained reality, where the creator defines past, present, and future; imagine how a more insightful being could expand these definitions, to different ends. Overcoming a target's will must consume a large portion of energy. What if you used that energy for larger shifts in reality? You could teleport an army into a Hive mothership… move a fleet outside time and space… perhaps even alter a moon's orbit, devastating the planet below. The military applications could be far graver than simply creating an army. - Ophiuchus
Apply this logic to a planet instead of an army

sick yew
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I wonder if the Vex tried to capitalize on that since they have a direct portal there with the Forrest

grand jungle
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mara sends us to there sometimes

sick yew
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We go there plenty of times
Savathuns and Eris' throne world are in there

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Technically the inside of the Dreadnaught is too iirc

river surge
trim grotto
sick yew
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As if the Vex couldnt unseal it

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I love big guy Vance but like come on

river surge
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I heard that The Veil can speak to u

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Idk if thats true or not

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If someone wants to tell

sick yew
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Bro slapped a peadlock on that portal metaphorically speaking

trim grotto
sick yew
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Unveiling mentioned

river surge
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Metaphorically speaking yes

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Its not the same

sick yew
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Take everything it says at face value trust trust

trim grotto
sick yew
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Id love it if we ever return to the Forrest and Vance is still in there fighting like the mf Doom Slayer

river surge
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But still the power of taking is just insane

sick yew
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It is

river surge
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No wonder why Darkness has cooler stuff than Light

sick yew
#

I wouldnt say that personally

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Nothing tops Golden Gun

river surge
#

What about Tcrash

sick yew
#

That is a close 2nd yes

river surge
#

That one Guardian using one two punch strand navigator build

sick yew
#

But its hard to find something more inherently cool that popping a 6shooter of pure solar light

river surge
grand jungle
#

wonder if saint can use strand

sick yew
#

He never learned it afaik

#

But he could

#

Nothing really stopping him

grand jungle
#

didnt ikora hv strand

sick yew
#

She learned it I believe yes

#

She also knows Stasis

river surge
#

So Ikora can basically use prismatic

#

Right

#

?

sick yew
#

Not the way we do

sleek matrix
#

Isnt ikora the most powerful warlock now

sick yew
#

That we know of? Probably yes

#

But theres a shit ton of Lightbearers out there

grand jungle
#

isnt she the strongest vanguard

sleek matrix
#

Osiris fell off

#

L

sleek matrix
river surge
#

Osiris dosent have light anymore of course he fell

sick yew
grand jungle
#

id love to see guardian 1v1 ikora

river surge
#

I think Ikora was always the strongest vanguard member idk why

sick yew
# sleek matrix She is the lead vanguard now

Being lead Vanguard doesnt inherently have anything to do with strength
Its likely she could best Zavala but he remained top dog of the Vanguard due to his tactical expertise

river surge
#

She always had that cool unique vibe

dense pikeBOT
#

bloodlove_00 has been banned!

sick yew
#

Smh

grand jungle
#

wtf was that

river surge
#

BRO

#

FUCK THAT GUY

sick yew
#

Disrupting conversations like this

river surge
#

Frrr

sick yew
grand jungle
#

how would it

sick yew
#

Random scam bot

grand jungle
#

ikora 1v1 us guardians

sick yew
grand jungle
#

not to death but just a fun fight

sleek matrix
#

It is more of a political role

sick yew
#

Indeed

river surge
#

The commander commands

#

Yes

#

Not cause he/she is strong

sick yew
#

Honestly we need another Civil War in the Last City
Been too long since the last

grand jungle
#

wish i couldve seen the boogyman of saint

sick yew
#

Someone stir up the foundries and create civil unrest or some shit

river surge
sleek matrix
sick yew
sick yew
river surge
sleek matrix
#

For bungo

sick yew
#

I always liked that little chapter of Last City lore tho
The old Vanguard and speaker having to figure out how the fuck theyre gonna stop the lightless from killing each other in the streets

river surge
grand jungle
#

my fav char are eris saint ocris

river surge
#

What

sick yew
#

Yeah that happened

river surge
#

When was Destiny that dark

#

Bro

#

Nah

sick yew
#

Its pre D1 lore timeline wise

grand jungle
#

imagine being a thief thinking cops gon come after you

#

and you see a fcking titan come in your house

sick yew
#

In the early ish city age there was a lot of unrest between the Lightless and the Lightbearers since with only the Vanguard in place it felt like a bit of a dictatorship to them

river surge
#

BUNGO

#

GET TO WIRK

#

WORK

grand jungle
#

getting hit by a solar titan hammer would put normal humans in pieces right

sick yew
#

Thus the factions slowly started forming and expanding their own little territories in the Last City which lead to conflict

river surge
#

Nah Bungo get to fucking work and give us something like this

sick yew
#

This is why the Consensus were formed
It was a fix the Speaker came up with to make the Lightless also have some saying in how the Last City should be run not just the Lightbearers

grand jungle
#

wish i got to meet the speaker lest once

sick yew
#

Dead Orbit, Future War Cult, New Monarchy and that 4th faction that got banished to the old Tower

sick yew
#

hes alive and kicking there

river surge
sick yew
#

Correct

river surge
#

Fucking Maya

#

The founder of Neomuna

sick yew
#

Actually Lakshmi*

river surge
#

Well one of the founders

grand jungle
#

did he hv a ghost or was he a pope of the guardian

sick yew
#

He was a normal human

river surge
grand jungle
#

man was norm n he speaked shit to ghaul? respect

sick yew
#

Bro got tortured for days lmao

#

Man didnt care anymore

river surge
#

Ghaul was just a coward

sick yew
#

But yeah basically the Vanguard ruled the Last City and they implemented the Consensus as glorified advisors so the Lightless people would feel like their voices mattered too

grand jungle
#

if thiefs were in d2 would they send cops or guardians?

sick yew
#

Lightbearers Patrol the Last City streets
Afaik its not clear whether theres a civilian police too but id guess so

river surge
#

When u realise there are still Ghosts looking for their chosens

#

Thats why The Traveler wont create more I think

grand jungle
#

bro imagine robbing someone n a fcking strand titan come at you

#

would a solar titan hammer tear a normal human in pieces?

sick yew
#

Absolutely

#

I dont believe Guardians ever really use their abilities when dealing with Civilians

sick yew
grand jungle
#

what bout just they fist?

river surge
#

I wanna know that

sick yew
#

Unknown

#

Dark Age lore is very wonky timeline wise

river surge
#

I wonder if its even alive anymore

sick yew
#

I can tell you some of the first Lightbearers we actually know of

#

Drifter, Shaxx, Saladin and Felwinter to name a few

river surge
#

I knew abt Shaxx Saladin and Felwinter

#

Didnt know about Drifter

sick yew
#

Drifter was around in those early days too yeah

#

He had a bar back then

river surge
#

Nah beo

sick yew
#

Kept his light a secret and then one day some Iron Lords and Warlords started fighting in the town

#

Small girl got caught in the crossfire and died in his arms

river surge
#

...

#

The lore is absolutely crazy

sick yew
#

Drifter had a miserable early existence

river surge
#

Why cant we just have something like this

#

In future expansions were the characters are actually characters and not fucking gods

grand jungle
#

we dont know drifters name do we

sick yew
#

Cause again this is a much better story to tell when you have named characters existing in written text

sick yew
grand jungle
#

aye i like that name

sick yew
#

He went by many names tho

river surge
#

A Destiny movie style would absolutely dominate

#

The cutscenes are already peak

sick yew
#

Dredgen Hope, Eli, Wu Ming und Germaine I think are some of his other names

river surge
#

Imagine a live actiov 2 hr movie

#

šŸ™

sick yew
#

Do NOT make it live action

#

Under no circumstances should a Destiny movie or show be live action

slim girder
# grand jungle what bout just they fist?

They don't. Back in the dark ages a normal person wouldn't be living if they defied a at the time warlord.
Most recent lore I think we have of a hostile guardian and human interaction was when crow pointed Hawkmoon at some civilians attempting to sabotage some ether reserves.

river surge
#

How we doing it

grand jungle
#

tho if a guardian wanted to stop a survy they could just hold them not hit them

river surge
#

Wait no

#

IM SO STUPID

#

WAIT

sick yew
river surge
#

NOT LIVE ACTION

#

ANIMATED YES

#

IM SO STUPID I SAID LIVE ACTION

slim girder
#

I've heard some people say they want destiny in edgerunnners or arcane style animation

river surge
#

Not arcane stule

#

Please

#

It looks too idk

sick yew
#

Destiny could also work in 2d animation absolutely

river surge
#

Destiny would fit better as an animated where its almost real

#

Just dont make it too live action style

#

Keep it animated but close to much realist

#

But yeah a Destiny movie would be insane

sick yew
#

The only narrative I would be fine with Live Action is a short tv style show about the K1 Crew

river surge
#

A collapse movie would be dope asf

sick yew
sick yew
river surge
sick yew
#

My guy the Collapse was a solar system wide conflict between two, for all intends and purposes magical forces

river surge
sick yew
#

So did the bulk of the collapse

#

Only other places where shit went down was Titan

#

In the Collapse everyone just kinda died

river surge
#

But u can add scenes about Titan and how the Earth was destroyed and how The Traveler sacrificed

#

Savathun betrayal

#

There are many things u can add that would make the watcher interested

#

Not to mention based on Lodi cutscene we see that during collapse the rain turned into acid and there was nuclear war? There are many things u can possibily add in it

slim girder
#

It saw our golden age as an insult to its ideals so destroyed basically all of it in anger.

river surge
#

Wasnt it Nezarec that commanded the whole attack

#

The Witness was most likely there but Nezarec was probably the one who commanded how the attack would go, and sinde he is the "god of pain" he basically commanded to be left nothing

slim girder
#

Nezarec was under orders from the witness. Yes he would have definitely enjoyed causing suffering but the witness also had a personal grudge against the traveler and all it gave the light to.

#

Hell it calls our ghost an "insolent speck" in a pretty threatening way. Almost anything to do with the traveler seems to really make it lose composure

#

So seeing a whole civilisation blessed by it would have definitely made it go all out

river surge
#

Also The Witness voice in that scene went from that female echo voice to a angered male echo voice

#

Idk if I am tweaking or smth

slim girder
#

Did you know that every "voice" of the witness is just one person? They are just having their voice altered to sound different

#

It's all one VA doing the work of a being made up of many voices

river surge
#

I actually thought it was a single voice but the echoes kept coming from others that were part of it

slim girder
#

No. All voices from the witness are one VA just having their voice altered or talking differently.
His name is Brett Dalton

sick yew
#

Bungie employing actual hive magic when creating the filters for Brett

#

No other way possible

#

Shits insane

hard sigil
#

'Brett Dalton' is actually a cover name. they keep Riven in a box in the basement and use her for voices sometimes

sick yew
#

S-Tier joke

#

!feed @hard sigil

dense pikeBOT
#

feeding Deerset Perpetual 18 units of ether

sick yew
#

Take a metaphorical cookie

slim girder
#

Speaking of did we ever find the VA for riven when she spoke with her true voice?

#

Call me crazy but it sounds a bit like ikoras original VA

river surge
#

Call me crazy but Ikoras and Savathun VA is now universal in Destiny

slow berry
sick yew
slim girder
sick yew
#

lol

slim girder
#

The whole season except for that one time she mimicked shaxx she was using her real voice

jagged badge
#

She’s Calus’ partner irl

slim girder
#

That's cool

sick yew
#

Nah waht

jagged badge
#

Her name is Debra Cardona

river creek
#

Is the pale heart physically inside the Traveller in the conventional sense, or is the pale heart inside some sort of pocket dimension that is inside the traveler?

sick yew
#

Imagine it like a Tardis

river creek
#

alr

#

thx

river surge
#

that fully white area is inside The Traveler

#

and then the pale heart is basically the heart of it

#

and inside the pale heart we are basically inside its heart

#

also Alex is there any paticular reason why Verity encounter looks similar to The Traveler in a way and after we complete it, its corrupted

river creek
#

verity is a lie

#

from what ive heard

river surge
#

Also inside Verity we are umaking our Final Shape

river creek
#

also iirc it looks like that because of the mataiodoxia lore card

river surge
#

cause thats what the encounter is about

river creek
#

yeah

river surge
#

And somehow its poetic

#

since

#

we need the Traveler light and darkenss to unamke our final shape

#

and inside that room we are basically inside the somewhat tree thats growing up to the Zenith encounter (Witness)

#

thats not bloom

#

Really interesting

#

I still find the Light and Darkness saga much more interesting than this new one tbh

slow berry
#

and while you're dead

#

quite neat!

sick yew
sick yew
#

Also the reason the space looks the way it does is because the Witness' monolith used to be a big tree of silver wings

river surge
#

Salvation Edge is fr the pinnacle of raids in Destiny lore wise and gameplay wise

slow berry
river surge
#

That raid is basically connect protect connect protect

#

and thats it

river surge
#

Also thats why the encounter objective is

#

Look Beyond

sick yew
#

See through the lies, look beyond the illusion

river surge
#

So if The Monolith was made around a tree of silver wings

#

inside the pale heart where the light is prob the strongest

#

this explains why The Witness chose that area

sick yew
#

Its where it originates yes

river surge
#

Also in the 3rd encounter u can see the snake in the corners of the rooms

sick yew
#

The Pyramids that entered the Pale Heart at the end of Lightfall partly got repurposed as the base of the Monolith (likely the starting area that looks extremely old and the gigantic trophy room of 2nd encounter) before becoming a fusion of former Tree of Silver Wings and Witness

river surge
#

So The Monolith actually has insane lore

#

I thought The Witness literally chose that area cause it felt the best for him

sick yew
#

It is part Pyramid, Part Tree part Witness

river surge
#

them

sick yew
#

it

river surge
#

it yes

river surge
sick yew
#

It used to bloom, but the WItness literally tore it apart

river surge
#

Also

#

Also

#

Also

#

When u start the raid

#

theres a column of light in the center of The Monolith

sick yew
#

Thats likely the root of the former Tree

river surge
#

is that light beam going straight up to the platform where we can dps The Witness?

sick yew
#

Yup

river surge
#

DANGGGG

#

They fucking nailed with the details

sick yew
#

It goes up through the Trophy room of 2nd encounter all the way up to Verity and ends in the DPS platform

river surge
#

Also inside Verity is it possible to be the inside the stomp of the tree or smth like that?

sick yew
#

Its hard to tell what part of the Tree it used to be

#

Cause we dont know how big it used to be

river surge
#

I feel like the only way the Witness could actually create the illusion was using the light within the tree itself

sick yew
#

Not necessarily

#

But posibly

river surge
#

Cause like

#

u can tell based on how further up u go

#

in Verity ur ascending to its brenches

sick yew
#

Darkness as a power is all about the mind and the mental

#

So it could very well be a Darkness related illusion

#

a reverse nightmare so to speak

river surge
#

Maybe

slow berry
#

what do you reckon is the coolest raid encounter objective

#

obviously DROWNDROWNDROWN is banger

sick yew
#

Like objective discription?

#

Or gameplay theme

slow berry
#

description

sick yew
#

I never read those lmfao

slow berry
#

sadge

river surge
#

Vow literally has the best intro out of all of them

#

Literally Mara talking then saying

#

Un-

#

Welcome

sick yew
#

That was pretty cool yeah

river surge
#

The transition was INSANE

#

DSC has prob the best theme

#

sound I mean

sick yew
#

Ost wise its tough

#

I think its actually Desert for me

#

Or Garden

river surge
#

The main reason why I play DSC is because of the ost and the vibe the raid gives

sick yew
#

I really like DSC too, I think Descend is one of the coolest encounters thematically

river surge
#

Garden last encounter ost is just goated

#

imo

sick yew
#

I actually prefer 2nd

#

Shit goes so hard

river surge
sick yew
#

Stopping nukes while the station around you literally crashes towards Europa was hella cool

river surge
#

and the chaos aboard

#

adds everywhere

sick yew
#

The blast doors outside closing on reentry just to break off

river surge
#

And our Guardians being hurt after that fall

#

Desert Perpetual so far was mid imo

#

the only thing I loved about it was the last encounter

#

and the animation of the giant harpy waking up

sick yew
#

I really like the OST of Desert
Its all around bangers with the final boss being one of the coolest looking and sounding (OST) things in this game

#

And literally doing DPS ontop of the boss is cool

river surge
#

Still dont understand why tf they went with the non linear stuff

sick yew
#

Cause its something new and refreshing and made for a pretty cool Day1 watching experience

river surge
#

Not really

#

if an encounter is completed

#

and u have 3 encounters on which teams could discover how to complete it

sick yew
#

If youre actually one of the teams competing its a different thing yes

river surge
#

that means everyone would know 3/4 encounters in an instant

sick yew
#

But if youre watching it was neat

river surge
#

Yeah I cant lie abt that

sick yew
#

Skipping around to see who was where

river surge
#

but competitive wise non linear raids are not good

slow berry
#

it was the best watching experience imo

sick yew
#

I think the non linearity actually discouraged the usual black screen shenanigans going on

slow berry
#

i can see why people would dislike the actual experience of playing it though

river surge
#

They still did it

#

xd

sick yew
#

Its not a thing you can ever get rid of

#

But it was less prevelant

river surge
#

But still

#

Verity day 1 was just

#

insane

#

everyone theorizing how tf do we unmake our final shape

sick yew
#

Cause its a puzzle encounter
Those are the biggest day1 hassles

river surge
#

And the most fun to watch, thats when everyone actually gets the taste of the actual raid itself

#

and why its called a race

sick yew
#

Initial Verity approaches were just black screen too tho

#

Again, its unavoidable considering the stakes

river surge
#

Verity with or without black screen was random

#

people figured it out the moment they realised that the inside has nothing to do with the outside

sick yew
#

People did not figure it out the moment [...]

river surge
#

I know

sick yew
#

Verity took what 5 hours for the first clear?

#

More actually

river surge
#

6

sick yew
#

Yeah

river surge
#

and the team that did it

#

said that they realised that outside has their own task and inside their own task

#

after that they pieced it together

#

Ghost mechanic was already discovered because most teams did progress on inside and outside by mistake

#

and they got it done

#

and they realised that in order to get out from the inside after u get the key its by hearing the crack noise of the glass wall

#

after outside is done

sick yew
#

I know how Verity works

river surge
#

Yeah but I am talking day 1 and how they discovered it

sick yew
#

I also know that lol

river surge
#

Maybe im just too slow

sick yew
#

Its also not exactly lore related

river surge
#

It is actually, they were the first guardians to unmake their final shape

#

yes

sick yew
#

You cant exactly use this approach when canonizing raid clears, because each of the players in that fireteam are The Guardianā„¢ (protagonist)

#

So it makes no sense

river surge
#

Then why Zavala said that a fireteam infiltrated the monolith and stuff

sick yew
#

Because a fireteam infiltrated the monolith

#

But it wasnt the fireteam that actually got the contest clear

#

Not canonically speaking at least

river surge
#

So im just tweaking

sick yew
#

Yes

river surge
#

Fuck bro im just so slow with these

#

nah

#

I need to get more info next time

sick yew
#

Think about it
Each member of the Fireteam that did Day1 Salvations Edge had transendence and played the campaign except the only guardian that canonically got transendence and did the campaign is you the player

#

Its a simple disconnect between gameplay and lore like many things in this game

river surge
#

That actually makes sense now

sick yew
#

its technically not inherently canon that you (the player) did Salvations Edge cause youd still be on the top of the Monolith while Zavala gives his speech

#

It could be that you and the rest of the raid fireteam teleported down real quick

#

But it doesnt have to be

#

If you didnt do the raid then in your game you just werent part of the fireteam that did Salvations Edge

ember storm
#

Canonically speaking every guardian is their own person but The Guardianā„¢ that we experience the story through is just their own

#

Just because you personally didn’t play a story or something doesn’t mean it didn’t canonically happen

#

Heresy treated everybody like they were the ones who killed oryx whether they played D1 or even did KF or not

sick yew
#

Indeed

#

SE is just a bit of a special case because they way its set up you (the player) didnt have to be the one who beat SE

#

In most other narratives it was actually you in the raid

slow berry
#

and they had to like go find the guy

sick yew
#

Zavala literally said 'moments ago [...]'

#

Its very clear that Excission happened right after SE

river surge
#

Wait a second

#

thats rightț

sick yew
#

The fuck is that 2nd t

river surge
#

how did we get down so easily from the top of the monolith

sick yew
#

Transmat

#

Or some shit like that

river surge
#

And lore wise why cant we use that everytime?

sick yew
#

Or again, you just werent at the monolith to begin with if you didnt do SE

sick yew
#

Ships are equipped with one thats how Mara bailed us out at the end of the main Final Shape campaign

river surge
#

hmm

sick yew
#

And others you just place down

river surge
#

we came so prepared

sick yew
#

Its possible we had our ship on standby around the monolith and right after we clap the Witness it swoops by, picks us up and drops us off again at the foot of the monolith

ember storm
sick yew
#

Thats a very specific discription

ember storm
#

It is true

river surge
#

ș

sick yew
river surge
#

țș

sick yew
#

Ƥ

river surge
#

ăƮ

#

țșțș

sick yew
#

okay enough

river surge
#

Ok

#

so basically

#

its my native language

#

and ș and ț are basically letters from the alphabet

#

so nothing to worry

sick yew
#

I expected as much yeah

cloud crag
#

Do you guys think old Chicago could ever live upto the lore

sick yew
#

There isnt even like that much lore on it no

#

Some random vault in there where they found the funny meele auto rifle

cloud crag
#

The cryptid as well

#

That feeds on light and hunts guardians

ember storm
sick yew
sick yew
cloud crag
#

We know somethings there whatever it is tho is unknown

sick yew
cloud crag
#

Picked off multiple fire teams of guardians who knows maybe it's just the frog or another one of Chicagos mutants

sick yew
#

I highly doubt the bigass frog from pre D1 vanilla concept art is ever going to be a thing

river surge
#

FROGS

ember storm
#

i highly doubt YOU are a thing

river surge
#

DID SOMEONE SAY BIG FROGS

sick yew
river surge
#

If old Chicago gets introducted and we get big frogs I am never going there

sick yew
river surge
#

I am scared asf of frogs I have phobia

sick yew
# sick yew

I want to thank @ember storm for the phenomenal setup, couldnt have done it without yo

river surge
#

And no more bigass frogs

#

😭

cloud crag
#

I was about to send le frog but since you're scared I won't

river surge
#

Just send it

#

Lets see how bad it is

#

I might like it idk

sick yew
#

Big frog

river surge
queen swallow
# sick yew

If only this were a gif with the full thing :/

river surge
#

But still 😭

sick yew
river surge
#

Its cute looking like

cloud crag
#

I will say the human posing arms spread like she's about to hug the creature is funny

river surge
#

I actually like this ine

queen swallow
sick yew
#

Mayhaps

cloud crag
#

There's also these two art pieces

river surge
#

If u know the series

sick yew
river surge
#

Also

#

Also

cloud crag
#

It's supposed to be Union station

queen swallow
# sick yew Mayhaps

ā€œDude, are… are you real?ā€
ā€œI don’t know… I think I amā€¦ā€
Rene Descartes busts into the room
ā€œYou know, that’s actually some pretty solid evi-ā€œ
ā€œRene Descartes?!ā€

river surge
#

III was meant to be a cute starfish

#

Well not exactly a starfish

#

But something like that

sick yew
#

Meant to be isnt exactly the right thing here, it was a possibility

#

Its still concept art

cloud crag
#

But I always found old Chicago interesting with it's cryptids, mutants, tombs and swamp setting

#

And let's not forget the gravity weapons hidden within it's wall

river surge
sick yew
#

But eh

river surge
#

I wanna explore Japan if its possible

cloud crag
cloud crag
river surge
#

FICKING MAYA

#

Who was the commander inside her echo

#

Commander Te Qal?

#

Or something like that

sick yew
# river surge Yeah

Concept art is always cool because it gives you ideas that you can have play out in your head but just arent achievable ingame

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Like this early Lightfall story concept art

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Where there is an escape sequence of a Calus or Cabal monster

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By far

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The creepiest

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Was the Salvation Edge ones

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100%

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The Witness in that moving form

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Nah

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😭

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This alternative poster for EoF is also quite cool imo

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easy

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Rusted lands wich is crucible may be japan but it's just listed as eastern flooded zone earth

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I love a bunch of the D1 concept art

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This ones from destiny 2 but still horrifying

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I said it may not that it is all we know is it's Eastern earth

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i mean we know it's old russia

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you can see the russian logo on the wall

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I only know Japan was mentioned by Lodi

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With his dialogue with Ikora about her past self

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Artstation is still pretty empty of EoF related stuff I hope we get some early story drafts and shit soon

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Those are always neat

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Mhm

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Theres desert perpetual stuff btw there

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I have seen

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On Artstation its just stuff you can see in the raid or various props

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Yeah

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Nothing you wouldnt get to see by just booting up the game

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It is quite cool to see the final boss animations from afar tho

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And about arts

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We can all agree

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The Witness arts from Salvation Edge

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Were the best ever created

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In Destiny

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Funny how there are no dread in EoF but here we have concepts for them

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A "dreadified" orge

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Funny how in Desert Perpetual arts we have a minotaur boss but in game we dont

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my guy

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This concept art probably goes back to the time of Final Shape release or even before

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Do you know how far Bungie works in advance

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Why release them now when they are irrelevant

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Tho

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Because that sorta stuff is usually kept under lock and key for a while
Bungie artists cant just post whatever they want that shit is confidential for a long while

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Wanna know smth

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But I cant

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An epic raid gun has been exposed on artstation

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And u tell me Bungie artists cant post anything when they want

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...

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What are you referring to

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That I dont wanna talk about

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If u wanna see it, its on artstation

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Posted by a bungie artist

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Yes

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Send it to me per DMs if its really a spoiler

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I cant

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wdym you cant

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It dosent allow me to send to u