#📚lore-discussion

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fresh zephyr
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Where’s Caiatl

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Have they mentioned why we’re going to the Plaguelands yet?

frigid sparrow
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no

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my bets are on cabal going after siva tech

slim girder
frigid sparrow
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can we keep mara like that 🙏

slim girder
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My money isn't on siva tech but possibly some other forces trying to secure something else in the plaguelands. Yes Siva was the main thing in that place but what if Rasputin had other things of value there?

fresh zephyr
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I hope it's not SIVA

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i joke, but I really hope it's not

frigid sparrow
fresh zephyr
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Ana "Guardian, the Iron is Rising again"

slim girder
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There's always more to Rasputin lol.
Just look at season of the worthy or seraph. Familiar places from D1 were hiding entire bunkers we had yet to access. Rasputin may be dead but Ana could definitely still access forgotten areas of his network of facilities.

frigid sparrow
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"hm.. what's this? an old data storage drive? and an audio recording?"
"Kstati, u menya yest' tochnaya kopiya moyego razuma, yesli vy, rebyata, kogda-nibud' menya ub'yote."

tall lake
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Is it true that The Plague lands are coming back?

slim girder
tall lake
slim girder
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When it comes to the iron lords though given the name of the expansion I think Saladin will definitely be with us in the update.

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And maybe even felwinter peak.

tall lake
jagged badge
slim girder
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"Return" him to where he came from as felwinter was Rasputins way of learning about humanity during the dark ages

ember storm
dim minnow
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plus their Ghosts are gone

tall lake
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Well we will see what bungie gonna give us

gray lagoon
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weve had them for 8 years? we first saw them teased in 2017... then teased again in 2018... then we saw one in 2019... then they invaded in 2020... then we got powers from them in 2020.... then in 2023 we dealt with calus's black fleet ship... then in 2024 we dealt with the entire fleet

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we had the black fleet for a couple years

ember storm
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the pyramids existing were not at all having the witness tbh

slow berry
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and showed up very prominently in the art that shows up when installing the game

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all the way back to launch d1

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it was some of the most anticipated lore information we had

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and seeing the pyramids in red war was a massive "OH FUCK" moment

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shit was good

frigid sparrow
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There's a reason why shadowkeep's big moment is a pyramid being inside the moon

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And the double whammy of it being nez's

slim girder
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Think bungie had always intended to use those pyramid ships but with how D1s story was rewritten it seemed like they just couldn't find a place for them at the time.
Like back in the pre D1 days those pyramids were simply named "the darkness" like we always knew there was true evil in Destiny aside from the forces we already faced.

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And then we finally saw them at the end of red war and all the theories started firing back up including the one about that other alien race in some concept images that looked very taken like.

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This was supposed to be the race that controlled the black fleet but again with how the story was redone there didn't seem to be a place for them.

trim grotto
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oOoOoOoH that concept art is for the vEiL, the really real "leak" race! ooohhh!!!

slim girder
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We also got this audio file a while back for the pyramids. Very scary, gross and alien like. Gave me huge Xenomorph vibes and made me think we were going to get some proper beastly aliens in Destiny

river surge
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Ngl The Dread were plain

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Subjugators and Tormentors were already stuff created from Nezarec and Rhulk

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So they werent original at all with that

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And the flying things that I hate the most, idk how they are called but whatever again were pretty basic

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Weavers and attendants were cool

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And the exploding guys were my favorite ngl

slim girder
river surge
slim girder
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No. All dread are made from a race subsumed by the witness

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Dissenters are those statues.

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The ones who were against the witness

dim minnow
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some of us believe that the process to create Dread units isn't the same for all

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like not all Subjugators come from a bisected Tormentor

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though Attendants and Weavers probably do ususally come from reshaped psions

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however in some instances, we can see that a single entity can be made into several dread units

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like the Witness making a squad of Attendants out of every different version of trauma a single psion had from Torobatl

river surge
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And that was their punishement

dim minnow
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possibly did it for other dissenters too

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the Witness being made up of an entire species likely has plenty of dissenters to draw from

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chances are the exact process it uses to create each Dread isn't the exact same

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maybe in some cases, a single entity is converted into a single Dread, in others, a single entity is made into multiple of that Dread

slim girder
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All the witness needs is the DNA of a certain species it seems. Yes this isn't always the case for every dread like weaver and attendants are psions that give themselves to the witness. But subjugators could def get the same thing as nezarec where they're just in a capsule being formed and the tweaked byt the witness.

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The grim based on lore are from a race that seemed to live a little like the vex where all their minds were one.

dim minnow
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having a stranglehold over the Traveler also helps

slim girder
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That to

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At least when it came to anything except for tormentors. They started appearing before the witness got its hands on the traveler

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"imprints" of nezarec taken from what was left of him since we knew the witness had some remenant of him in its ship

hard sigil
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it was Nezzy's head

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which is ironic considering that's the only thing tormentors lack

dim minnow
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I think the Witness obtained it during the events of Haunted

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since we know the head (and most of the eyes) were the only parts of him the Fallen left alone

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ok just how many people knew the damn Pyramid was there the entire time

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Tolamd knew, the Hive knew, Inaaks knew

gray lagoon
gray lagoon
gray lagoon
# river surge Ngl The Dread were plain

ikr... they talk about the witness taking over millions of planets but then the only enemies u face of his army r remade versions of enemies u already known... wouldve been cool to fight a whole new race

river surge
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Thats how Bungie views

gray lagoon
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booo

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technically weve been fighting the same races since d1

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taken was reskinned enemies

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scorn reskinned enemies

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dread technically reskinned enemies

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theyve added enemy types to each race but thats kinda it

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no new fully unique race

hard sigil
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dread are pretty unique. only really close enemies are the attendant and weaver

gray lagoon
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kinda

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they dont feel new tho

frigid sparrow
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The dreads really only issue is that they're pretty much only mini bosses

ember storm
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that's why its an actual power and not just, loud

frigid sparrow
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Since all their units are either outright bosses (Omens, Subjugators, Tormentors) or enemies that are utilized as mini bosses due to how much they do (Grim, Weaver, Attendant, Husk)

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Like, weavers and attendants are doing more than your average dreg or goblin, and are seen in all roles from minor to boss

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And the only way we'd reasonably see different ones is if other races keep experimenting with pyramid tech

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Since all of the dread units are based on something's prior existence

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Maybe we could get some thralls with pyramid heads or something lmao

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New enemies are always a difficult thing to do because there has to be a justification as to why you're fighting them, and why you weren't doing so before

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For the taken, it's because oryx was the major factor in taking, for the scorn, they were pretty much just created a few weeks ago, for the dread it's the same case of the witness building new forces

hard sigil
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they're pretty much just elite forces

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the witness already had hive, vex and taken at its disposal so it didn't really need a whole army

frigid sparrow
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Scorn and shadow legion buried and forgotten angey

ember storm
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oh no dont worry

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whenever dread are involved shadow legion just fucking pile in through the door with their totems trollge

slow berry
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i don't think it'd be actually interesting to keep adding new races

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rather than elaborating on the main four

onyx token
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Question 🙋‍♂️! So for songs of flame it obviously gets a damage buf from the super stat, but has anyone tested (since the changing of the stats )
If the new grenade stat and melee stat increases the damage for song of flames melee and gernade 🤔?
As an example a max gernade stat of 200=64%
Plus a super stat of 150=24%
Would that stack or would you only get the 24% buff ?

jagged badge
onyx token
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Okay I will ty🙏

gray lagoon
frigid sparrow
gray lagoon
frigid sparrow
gray lagoon
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forgot about those

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some of the first vex encountered and i forgot

gray lagoon
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but this also reminds me

frigid sparrow
gray lagoon
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i was playin a battleground strike the other day... and all the cabal were red legion... but Caitl's cabal werent red legion... i could understand not wanting to design a whole new enemy design for a season but... vex hive and fallen have all gotten new designs for seasons and dlcs... and its not like a season thing... iirc the shadow legion r also just red legion... which is understandable ig but they make it sound like a whole different league

gray lagoon
frigid sparrow
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We fight a lot of the blood guard in battlegrounds and proving grounds, who were specifically of the red legion

gray lagoon
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ah

frigid sparrow
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And in terms of "alien race that's hostile upon arriving to our solar system" that's basically just the cabal

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Which is why adding other races would be rather contrived this late

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Especially because then you've gotta start writing new stories based around those new enemy factions

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And considering how the scorn were treated post-forsaken I dunno if I trust bungie enough for that considering they barely get anything to themselves CATGRIN

river surge
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Its insane to me how we have the technology to go past our system and yet we have so many problems within it, its irritates me that Bungie still limit themselves on that

frigid sparrow
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Uh yeah that's kinda what having the collapse of humanity and constant war will do to us

blazing wasp
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we dont have the luxury of exploration

river surge
blazing wasp
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which they currently cant give

river surge
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Of course

frigid sparrow
river surge
frigid sparrow
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Why does that necessitate going out of our solar system?

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We explored the edge of our system in Kepler, found a bastion of humanity in the Aionians, gained new powers from dark matter, and revived III so it could give us some knowledge about the future situation and how we must bind the nine

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Not to mention us still having multiple threats on our doorstep and cabal in the shadows trying to obtain their own dark matter tech

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We can't just venture out into the expanse and waste resources like that

slow berry
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empty as fuck, right

blazing wasp
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we're able to explore discovered places relatively easy

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since our method of travel isnt really "going fast", lightspeed isnt that fast when you gotta travel that distance

slow berry
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i understand the idea of "oh we're going beyond the system" might sound cool but i think the reality is in-universe there just

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isn't anything there

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god knows how far riis/riis2 or torobatl are

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the reason there's stuff scattered around the solar system is humans put it there during the golden age, and even then a lot of the system is either unexplored or it was explored and no one found anything (neptune was scouted before and since neomuna was hidden it appears to just be an empty planet for example)

static wind
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Sometimes the most well hidden things are in plain sight

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To witch the one thing that was not answered in any way is

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What or who was that female voice that spoke to us on beyond light when we broke out of stasis

dim minnow
river creek
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Does d2 have an infinite energy souce like warframes void energy?

trim grotto
river creek
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for the difficulty to harness

trim grotto
# river creek for the difficulty to harness

Light is Given, not Taken.

Unless you go full Ghaul, you can't drain it from the Traveler, so you've got to get creative on how to get it. Hire a Guardian? Delve into the old Golden Age ruins of Mars searching for Icarus Station or other facilities that harnesses Light?
It's doable, but it's also pretty much magical. Magic can be funky sometimes.

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Then you could look at what Clovis did with Clarity Control, but Clarity Control also killed an entire work crew of people. And... Replicated their corpses.

eager trout
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It what

limpid blaze
dim minnow
trim grotto
# eager trout It what 

I have sequestered the recordings. Especially the sensorium telemetry. Quite upsetting.```
dim minnow
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maybe Clarity is like a smaller scale version of the Final Shape's effects

trim grotto
river surge
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Wasnt Clarity a dissenter like every other statue inside the pyramid ships?

dim minnow
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I also kind of imagine it was like what Joxer experienced when he went through the gateway to the Pale Heart

river surge
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And I dont think they could move Clarity from there tbh

trim grotto
dim minnow
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since one of the workers exposed to it recognized their mother before it killed them

river surge
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They simply refused the idea of the final shape so the witness carved them out into statues as a punishment for their disbelief

limpid blaze
dim minnow
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the Nine claim that our fate lies "beyond the system"

trim grotto
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I could reapply the same quote here for the emptiness of it all as well as the potential of life.

river surge
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Regarding that we will go beyond Sol

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  • our Guardian is not limited to Sol we saw what it can do to paracausal anomalies from outer space
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They are simply not prepared yet to make an expansion about leaving Sol

dim minnow
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I wonder if the first and last dialogues we got from the Invitations from the Nine are going to be relevant

river surge
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Or maybe even Destiny 3 but thats too far as a stretch

limpid blaze
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Like Torobatl feels a given to happen eventually

river surge
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Riis

limpid blaze
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But beyond stuff like that

river surge
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Oryx wanted to go to Fundament

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The echo*

limpid blaze
dim minnow
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it was really just "I gotta see if those worms really were lying bitches"

trim grotto
limpid blaze
trim grotto
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I don't think we'll see Riis as a full Destination for gameplay. Lore, perhaps.
Torobatl seems plausible.
Fundament... well, it's been literal billions of years. I'm not sure if it even exists anymore.

limpid blaze
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I kinda wish we just let the Eliksni and Cabal have Venus and Mars and we just saw them properly settle here. I know Mars has it’s uh…….issues but this is more just pipe dream stuff

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Would be a fun callback to D1 with Venus and Mars being taken over by them

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Just put some yellow tape around the Vault of Glass entranceCATGRIN

slow berry
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both of those are like

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pretty fucked

limpid blaze
slow berry
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how exactly do you suggest we clear them out

limpid blaze
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Like why the hell was the dreadnought not completely cleared out with a team stationed there

slow berry
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we can hardly keep the last city safe most of the time

slow berry
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they talk about this in heresy even

limpid blaze
slow berry
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there's a lot more of everyone else than guardians

dim minnow
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the Solo ops kinda highlights the issue

slow berry
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and we can't afford to be sending people out on vague ideas of "clearing places out" when we can't hold them to begin with

limpid blaze
slow berry
dim minnow
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we can clear these sectors, but we can't hold them

trim grotto
slow berry
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remember, the last time we tried to "clear out" a place was the moon

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they call that event "the great disaster"

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hope this helps

dim minnow
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it does seem like we are gearing towards proper reclamation though

limpid blaze
slow berry
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yeah, we have a bit less on our plates

dim minnow
slow berry
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we did resolve the whole thing with the shield brothers though

limpid blaze
# slow berry hope this helps

Crota was literally there. What is the current most dangerous thing in the system? Maya? Do you think she cares if we clear out some Fallen and Hive?

slow berry
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and no one else was about to detonate the "wipe out the solar system" button

dim minnow
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plus maybe the threat that posed is probably gone since Oryx was killed

slow berry
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savathun

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also her sister

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also the shadow legion

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the vex

limpid blaze
slow berry
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what are we supposed to do about it

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like

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haul it??

dim minnow
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it is also possible that blowingup the Dreadnaught isn't a system-wide threat anymore

slow berry
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the thing is small planetoid sized

limpid blaze
# slow berry savathun

Savathun has had her ass beat by multiple people. Shadow legion aren’t much of an issue. The moon was bad specifically because of Crota

dim minnow
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the Dreadnaught's size was never really confirmed (and it tends to be inconsistent)

dim minnow
limpid blaze
slow berry
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did you play heresy

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the entire thing is

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bad news

trim grotto
slow berry
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you can't hold it

dim minnow
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I feel like we are all overcomplicating things

limpid blaze
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We aren’t throwing armies at Savathun like we did crota. I am on specifically about areas that the most dangerous enemies are like maybe a few lieutenants

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Everyone who was a major threat on the dreadnought was killed and we sorta just left a potential solar system hazard like that just chilling

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Like we can’t clear everything obv but some of this stuff seems very important

dim minnow
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we don't have enough manpower to keep these areas locked down (this is confirmed)
We do however have the firepower to at least keep our enemies out of these areas for the time being which is a far more efficient solution for the time being
we are actually in the process of gearing up for proper reclamation (hence the name of the current season)

slow berry
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it really is just a numbers thing

limpid blaze
# slow berry did you play heresy

Yes and besides one dread leader there wasn’t much on that ship that was a major threat. Any if Xivus forces and Savathuns were there because Oryx was

slow berry
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there's no new ghosts, there's less guardians every day and new lights can't surpass them in experience, and there's a fuck ton of every single thing that wants us dead

limpid blaze
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Again our biggest loss on an offensive was when a Hive god was actively on the field

dim minnow
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keep in mind we had only just managed to get rid of the Witness around a year ago so only now we are actually able to take the first steps towards making a new Golden Age

river creek
dim minnow
dim minnow
trim grotto
river creek
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oh?

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I thought he died from some stupid shit

dim minnow
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was sad to hear that the Guardian in the Season of the Deep intro was him

trim grotto
# river creek I thought he died from some stupid shit

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/akashic-revelation

Akashic Revelation — Entry — Ishtar Collective

We end at the beginning.
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Rosy light bathes the cockpit of a Hawk moving at cruising speed high above the Earth. Up ahead, the Traveler hangs motionless against the blackness of space, a triangular gateway of iridescent light bleeding from its shell.
It was one thing volunteering for this mission, but sitting now on the precipice of the unkn...

limpid blaze
# dim minnow fyi, a majority of guardians canonically haven't even fully mastered one subclas...

I know however most of the big name threats have been dealt with by us. Cleaning up some areas should definitely be reasonable for a coalition of Guardians, Cabal, and Eliksni. Like at minimum we could ask the Cabal to help us clear out and hold earth. Years of this coalition and we haven’t even managed to stabilize our home planet. The cabal had a system spanning empire. Managing to help reclaim a small planet should be within their capabilities even if it’s Only Caiatl’s legion

slow berry
trim grotto
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Or would, when it happened, which it hadn't yet.

limpid blaze
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We can demolish most of the Red Legion in the span of 2 years but can’t clear out and hold areas filled with a few Eliksni and Hive whose main leaders died years ago

slow berry
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earth is Big

limpid blaze
# slow berry earth is Big

Yes and this is a sci fi setting with empires that have spanned multiple systems. Clearing one planet out isn’t as big a task as you think

river creek
slow berry
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oversimplifying the issue

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we simply don't have enough people

trim grotto
slow berry
limpid blaze
trim grotto
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The entire season was us figuring out how to enter safely

river creek
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idek what that season was about

slow berry
river creek
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i love story content being removed!

limpid blaze
river creek
limpid blaze
river creek
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all ik is that it had the coil

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which is fun

slow berry
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how does it not make sense

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the traveler made the ghosts once

trim grotto
# river creek idek what that season was about

Return Riven's spirit, convince her to grant us a Wish in exchange for saving her clutch. We sent Crow through and his mental connection to Mara acted as a... tether, a guide rope, for the rest of us once the portal was stabilised.

slow berry
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then a lot of the ghosts went over to the hive

limpid blaze
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We can leave entire legions a shell of their former selves in the span of a year but can’t clear and hold areas with literal fodder holding it

slow berry
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we assassinated the leader of the red legion then spent half a decade defending against assassination plots and sabotage

river creek
limpid blaze
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It’s why the raid boss for Spire is so basic

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Lets not even mention groups like the siege dancers

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The most powerful cabal legion(red legion) torn apart within a 2 year time span but wiping out some fallen in the cosmodrome is such a demanding task of us

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The game won’t change those environments so they have to write in bad excuses for why we haven’t done something that is well within our ability to do

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Truly an “evolving world”

slim girder
# limpid blaze We can leave entire legions a shell of their former selves in the span of a year...

Well it's not cabal they're sending. But regular human forces. Devrim even says the civilian troops that are just volunteers aren't battle hardened enough to hold sectors. Not to mention if a human goes down they are not coming back so they need to be extra careful around forces like the hive especially. A single thrall could tear a human to pieces and most of the citys outside fighters are guardians.

limpid blaze
dim minnow
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Cabal got their own problems

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Caiatl is mainly concerned with retaking Torobatl still

slim girder
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War is constant in this universe and while yes the cabal could help us they are still a people with their own goals to tend to. Caiatl is very still set on retaking torobatl

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Same with the awoken trying to break the dreaming city's curse

dim minnow
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even if they are our allies, we can't expect them to be there for every fight we get in

limpid blaze
dim minnow
limpid blaze
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We have helped Caiatl with a good amount of issues. I don’t think asking her for a few Cabal to help clear out and maintain a secure Cosmodrome for example is that big of an ask

slim girder
limpid blaze
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Mara tries to talk to the Nine and they just send “sybau” back

slow berry
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remember mara has enormous beef with the nine still

slim girder
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The cabals next involvement looks like it'll be to do with this new underground black market on mars.

dim minnow
slim girder
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Shut your bitch ass up

limpid blaze
dim minnow
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you guys didn't have to be mean about it

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limpid blaze
slim girder
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Sorry dova

limpid blaze
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She’s not exactly a pleasant person

dim minnow
slim girder
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But fr though. I think we'll be seeing caiatl and the cabal in renegades. I'm sure they'd be interested in another cabal group dealing in the black market along with us investigating this new dredgen that's appeared (My money is on Jana 14)

limpid blaze
dim minnow
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while Mara may not have actively colluded with the Nine when they released Skolas, I'm pretty sure she was kinda in on it

slim girder
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Underground market also screams spiders involvement

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Bro is literally a jabba ripoff

dim minnow
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like she knew full well why they did it and kinda needed it too

river surge
slow berry
dim minnow
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yeah

slow berry
limpid blaze
dim minnow
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but she is also the type to do grand schemes that do get a lot of her own people killed

slow berry
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its just that she does all the nasty fucked up evil right things to do

dim minnow
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so she of all people knows how to make an omelette

limpid blaze
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😭

slow berry
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sometimes you gotta get a little horrendous with it

dim minnow
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evil is a strong word

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more morally gray

slow berry
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a little bit of pocket universe creation gaslighting for an eternity

limpid blaze
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She’s an asshole

dim minnow
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like Andor, the Rebels are objectively the good guys in the conflict, but they sometimes do more dubious things so they can fight the Empire

slow berry
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alice lee did not deserve all that but also someone had to take the L

dim minnow
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Alis Li

slim girder
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No good guy is always good

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Sometimes you do the wrong thing for the right type of reasons

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Mara literally pulls a batman and we found out she had contigencies to stop us if we ever became a threat to her or her people

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She trusts no one fully for good reason

slim girder
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Do we have any lore on the imp swarms? Curious what maya is looking to get from the vex equivalent of a bee swarm

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Or if that's possibly a vex form that already exists in the vex collective

river surge
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Theres actually no point in fighting Mara at all, she is by far a good help to us

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Or make her our enemy

hard sigil
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swarm, consume any matter they can get their hands on, and make more imps

river creek
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what is sol divisive doing now?

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also why dont we fuck off from maya

sick yew
slim girder
river creek
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?

slim girder
# river creek ?

She hides in the vex network. It's almost impossible to track her down and even then she is going to retaliate using the vex and her echo.

river creek
slim girder
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In that case because she is doing things that are a direct threat to us. She is looking for the nine and trying to make the earth of our time trade places with the earth from the golden age. A golden age she would control every part of and we would have every bit of progress we made and every sacrifice reverted to face the collapse all over again.

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Not to mention she is a murderer and generally a terrible person who doesn't value life at all

river creek
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oh

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oh

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also completely unrelated, how long was riven taken for?

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and why?

blazing wasp
blazing wasp
river creek
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then why leave her with her will?

blazing wasp
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riven made him wish to take her, she of course tricked him so she had a sense of autonomy when oryx died

river creek
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oh

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why did mara and them not do anything about it until forsaken?

slim girder
river creek
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oh?

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were they at least aware of it?

slim girder
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Yes. But telling people the last known ahamkara was alive wasn't something mara wanted. Riven presented a unique form of power only she had

river creek
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is riven fully dead now?

slim girder
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Yes

river creek
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damn

slim girder
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All that is left now is her clutch of eggs we saved. No idea what could happen once they're out in the world.

river creek
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wait

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we untook her eggs?

slim girder
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But if taranis their father can be one of the only good ahamkara then maybe they can follow in his footsteps

river creek
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i didn't play at all in the year of lightfall

slim girder
river creek
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oh

slim girder
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One was in savathuns imbaru engine

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The rest were hidden in rivens lair

river creek
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oh

ember storm
dim minnow
slim girder
sick yew
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I take it they were already playing around with the idea of that sorta theme and wanted to hint at it

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They kinda did the same with the Harpy spelling 'assistant' in morse code during the Splicer finale

slim girder
sick yew
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They probably have tons and tons of concepts cooked up

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Makes me sad when they do just kinda abandon some tho that clearly had an existing setup

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Like back when Season of the Hunt gave us that loretab which basically set up Crow joining up with Mithrax's original fireteam and that just literally went nowhere and afaik we never even heard from that unnamed Hunter and Warlock ever again

dim minnow
sick yew
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Might have been, dunno what precisely it was

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Only that it exists and it makes me sad to this day

dim minnow
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But yeah, I wish we got an actual follow up to it

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Since Mithrax had a falling out with them because they were using Stasis

sick yew
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I hope theyre on good terms again

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But they havent been mentioned since right?

dim minnow
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Yeah

sick yew
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:(

slow berry
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kinda sad they werent in revenant tho

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you'd think they'd be interested in saving oomf

ember storm
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araki bungo forgot

sick yew
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Holy jojo reference

dense pikeBOT
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wan_nair has been banned!

river surge
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The Witness has finalised The Final Shape

solemn solstice
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LF anyone that will be able to help me do the sieve mission.

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Two, this isn’t an LFG channel

solemn solstice
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for one you do need to lfg if you havent done the campaign which i havent cause i was to busy doing it on my other 2 classes, and two, i could care less, its more less about helping people who need the help rather than telling them "this isnt a lfg channel" and forcing them to go somewhere else where theyll get the same kinda treatment. do more helping and less sitting in the discord chat talking about all the things youve done

solemn solstice
ember storm
jagged badge
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Anyway

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;lfg

candid inletBOT
trim grotto
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Saves you time and effort

frigid sparrow
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jokes on you, half the time I'm in here playing the game in between lore chatting CATGRIN

trim grotto
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Somehow we still extracted haha

slim girder
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Think like 90% of the time if I'm talking here destiny is also on lol

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I got grinding to do as well as yapping about the lore of my favourite game

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About to hit 420 power.

sage finch
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can anyone help me with this mission the invitation hard my name Guardiann8706#6780

slow berry
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;lfg

candid inletBOT
slim girder
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Use those links.

ivory vine
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What did the dissenter mean by they ran from The Traveler? WHy did they run from it?

trim grotto
dim minnow
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it could possibly mean that the Witness' species turned their back on it when they believed that the Traveler wouldn't give them any purpose which caused them to seek out the Veil

trim grotto
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That would be my guess, without seeing the quote.

ivory vine
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in this

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a dissenter says

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"Lies! We ran from it."

ember storm
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Yeah so that whole thing is the witness trying to justify itself by saying how the traveler being a silent god offering them no purpose is why they want the final shape

trim grotto
# ivory vine "Lies! We ran from it."

In response, I'll give you another video
https://youtu.be/Z0CKckjryVI?si=OA6HaKuF_FSzNkUP

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Destiny 2
Destiny 2: Season of the Deep - The Witness's Origins Cinematic

"Before you can confront The Witness, you must understand it."

This cinematic features art created by community artist Julian Faylona, @ELEMENTJ21 on Twitter.

🌊 https://bung.ie/deep

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The Witness, or rather the Precursors, grew fearful of the Traveler because of the chaos they believed it could bring forth. Their inability to control it, and their lack of trust, pushed them to find the Veil and try to control the Traveler.

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In this, they fled from it.

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it literally says "but all it could offer was more life, void of meaning"

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wheres the chaos in that

limpid blaze
limpid blaze
trim grotto
# ivory vine wheres the chaos in that

That's how it views chaos. Meaningless existence, no purpose, no true order. And they had no way to control the Traveler until they got the Veil, so it could have left them, created more life and less order, or gone and caused havoc if it so wanted.
Think about the Final Shape. The Witness wanted to use the Veil to control the Traveler and create a final, flawless existence. Still, finished, pristine. Perfect order.

trim grotto
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We wouldn't have known about the Precursors at all were it not for Ahsa

river surge
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Like

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How would Ahsa know all of that if The Hive had no idea who The Witness is

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In the first place

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They did not even know how it looks like

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Alas knowing about being an entire species

dim minnow
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the Worm gods did have a prior arrangement with the Witness

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though it was mainly through Rhulk

river surge
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Still no clue The Witness origin

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Not even its disciples knew who it was

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They rushed the cutscene so bad

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They shouldve released it during Lightfall or TFS

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Not during a season with 0 clear implications about The Witness

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I might not know much about the lore but damn that cutscene was rushed

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Lightfall was fr a downfall

slim girder
# river surge Not during a season with 0 clear implications about The Witness

This is exactly what happened. That cutscene was in response to lightfall not really having too much on the story front. They were trying something new but it just didn't go well. So in the year of lightfall we were fed lots of lore on the veil through the veil containment logs and also the cutscene from ahsa.

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We discovered what is was, Osiris notes while studying it, Asher mirs research in the vex on it and the origins of the witness through ahsa who we also found out was a "proto worm god"

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It’s not “rushed” when it was part of the deliberate plan of Lightfall’s expanding narrative/lore over the seasons

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There was this dumb conspiracy that that cutscene and Veil Containment were created after the backlash to Lightfall, but that’s just nonsense

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slim girder
# jagged badge What do you mean “in response to”?

Lightfalls story got a bunch of backlash so bungie had to assure us that we'd get the answers we were looking for in season of the deep. At the time we all thought deep meant hive darkness type deep not underwater type deep.

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It meant both

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It was definitely a play on words

slim girder
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In response was prolly not the best way to put it. My b

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They wouldn’t have made the cutscene in response to Lightfall’s backlash

jagged badge
# river surge Not during a season with 0 clear implications about The Witness

The entire weekly story was building up that that cutscene with the Witness. The season starts with us desperately trying and failing to follow the Witness through the portal. When we discover Ahsa, we work each week to empower her to commune with us through Sloane, where she gives us bits and pieces of information from the cutscene before finally being able to tell us the full story

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So Deep had everything to do with the Witness. Not sure why you think it didn’t

river surge
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It felt random

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literally random

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instead of using it for tfs

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river surge
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Why?

river surge
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literally tell us the story of the witness and why it wants the final shape

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it fits perfectly

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It fits perfectly for the season building up to the Final Shape

river surge
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I dont think so

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To give us this origin and to establish the stakes

river surge
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give us the origin and have 0 impact on the final shape campaign

jagged badge
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Wrong

river surge
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Not wrong

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We literally had to interact with the dissenters to know how to defeat it

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the origin taught us its main reason

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I remember I predicted how we would defeat the Witness from the origin cutscene and the information. Getting that kind of information before TFS added to the hype imo

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And speculation and theorycrafting

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When we saw the dissenters in Final Shape, I was excited because they had been established to us beforehand

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It felt earned for the story because of the setup

slim girder
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This was my prediction from back in Deep

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slow berry
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why were you long and in the soup

trim grotto
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Back in Season of Arrivals, Drifter referred to the being we later in Deep learned to be Ahsa, as the "long boy in the soup"

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https://youtu.be/eGCeK_w4cyw?si=pF2091NpBJdHBU9I

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Destiny Lore Vault
Contact | Public Event Complete (Titan): "Ever Seen the Long-Boy in...

Dialogue Option when completing Contact.

**

Drifter: You ever seen the long-boy in the soup?

Eris Morn: I… don’t understand the question.

Drifter: Big ol’ snake swimming around Titan. Oh, ho ho ho! Drifter knows something Moondust doesn’t.

Eris Morn: It’s not a snake. With your symbols, I would have expected you to know that.

...

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And then in Deep he calls Ahsa the Long Girl like... thrice

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https://youtu.be/z0z7koFxsMc?si=xMIIgXOdwQWdBFcI

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Destiny Lore Vault
Idle Dialogue, The Tower | Drifter: "Turns Out It Was a Long-Girl i...

Alterative Dialogue from Drifter in the Tower's Annex on Earth.

**

Drifter: Turns out it was a long-girl in the soup all this time. Honest mistake.

**

Related Lore:
https://youtu.be/eGCeK_w4cyw

The Drifter — Idle Dialogue (Tower Annex, The Last City) Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS2hBTtCDufSBSDqLPeNul1q0NMdMUNVr

#Dest...

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Drifter: Long-girl funk fungus in the bag. Next stop: ha ha! Dive, dive, dive!
like
fuckin' drifter, man

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Sloane: Don't call her that. ```
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Drifter: See? It grows on you. ```
slow berry
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God I love him

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I see what eris sees

river surge
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Quick quick question

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Did Maya Sundaresh really touch the Veil during that cutscene

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When she became The Conductor?

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Cause I heard that any exo or ordinary human who touches it insta dies

hard sigil
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she used the veil a good long while before becoming the conductor

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like generations ago

slow berry
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she killed like

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a lot of people fucking around with the veil

river surge
slim girder
river surge
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Oh ok

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Cause I know she interfaced but that cutscene just had it like she did really touch it

slim girder
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Again. Symbology. But all contact with the veil was done through those chairs you see around the veil containment complex

river surge
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That part of the lore regarding the experiments with the Veil made me really curious

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Once again I think The Veil is not The Winnower but a manifestation of The Gardener

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Just like The Traveler

slim girder
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"touching" the veil iirc resulted in instant brain death to some of the exos who were there when they found it. Been a while since I read that lore though

river surge
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I really enjoyed it

slim girder
river surge
slim girder
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Garden

river surge
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And no

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I dont think The Black Garden is the real one

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Its a simulation created by the Vex that somehow matches the real Garden

slim girder
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The black garden is not a simulation.
It's the home of the sol divisive.

river surge
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I know that

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But the theory suggest that Vex created The Black Garden that matches the Garden that The Winnower and The Gardener played the flower game

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Again I dont think The Black Garden is the real Garden

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Still a theory

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Light and Darkness saga left many mysteries

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And theories

sick yew
river surge
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Or again could be a manifestation of the real Garden that was brought into our dimension

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This suits it better tbh

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But hey if I will ever gonna meet Alison irl I would bombard her with good solid questions regarding the lore

ember storm
river surge
ember storm
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Everything in unveiling is a metaphor

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There was no real garden

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The vex can’t simulate something that never existed

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They’d have literally no frame of reference or reason to make it look like something they don’t know about either way

river surge
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But is it confirmed

ember storm
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What is exactly

slow berry
river surge
ember storm
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Yes and Unveiling is delivered by something claiming to be the Winnower in which they literally say word for word that it’s a metaphor and there wasn’t any garden

slow berry
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so like basically i have her on speed dial if i ever want to know about the jovian pacifists tbqhwy

river surge
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If u said that

slow berry
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? ? ?

river surge
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I kinda view it boring now 😭

slow berry
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doesn't unveiling literally start with four separate notes saying "none of this existed as told for there was nothing to exist yet"

ember storm
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I mean the point of unveiling was never about the garden

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It was literally just explaining the motivation of the traveler and the things on the opposite side

river surge
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So there is no garden

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Its only the black garden

slow berry
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Once upon a time,* a gardener and a winnower lived** together in a garden.***

* It was once before a time, because time had not yet begun.
** We did not live. We existed as principles of ontological dynamics that emerged from mathematical structures, as bodiless and inevitable as the primes.
*** It was the field of possibility that prefigured existence.

river surge
slow berry
river surge
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Using garden as a metaphor for something else is insane tho

slow berry
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It was not a place, for there was nothing that existed.

river surge
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Yeah Destiny metaphors are wierd

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This is too much information for me

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I might be dumb

slow berry
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If you think about Conway's Game of Life, on which the game the Gardener and the Winnower played is based upon, rather than the Gardener and the Winnower being Figures in a Garden, they were the rules.

ember storm
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It’s built on the game of life with flowers

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That’s where the name Gardener and Winnower are coming from

slow berry
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Or perhaps its easier to think about it in the sense that, if reality is an experiment, then the Winnower and the Gardener and the Garden are the pre-existing conditions for the experiment before the experiment starts.

ember storm
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The traveler is the gardener, giving life the opportunity and means to flourish but not outright controlling it

river surge
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In reality we dont know how they are called

slow berry
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We know the Winnower refers to itself as such

ember storm
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The Winnower is the thing that, y’know, winnows, cutting away everything that’s not supposed to be there

ember storm
river surge
slow berry
ember storm
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Pretty sure unveiling only describes that there’s a Gardener and Winnower and then tells the story in the 1st person

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It never outright calls itself Winnower because that’s not really its name

slow berry
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but that might be a bit of a nod towards us as players

river surge
ember storm
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Well the Winnower probably isn’t the Veil considering that’s never interacted with us while the Winnower keeps sending us emails

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It also said it’d come over to chat while the Veil definitely isn’t going anywhere, bungie will probably never bring up Neomuna again

slow berry
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The Gardener/Traveler has a physical form because that's what they set out to do and they need some form of existence to introduce the new rules, we don't know that the Winnower has or doesn't have a physical form but its more focused on the idea that there will be a single, overpowering pattern that will stabilize the game to a standstill.

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so there's a very real chance it outright isn't physical because why bother

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someone out there is making its choice

river surge
slow berry
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We don't really know about the origins of the veil itself besides vague ideas based on the visuals

ember storm
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Assuming the Veil and Traveler were both a complete whole at one point I’d say they’re basically just the same thing

slow berry
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we know that it does for darkness what the traveler does for light

river surge
ember storm
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I mean this has been an in-universe theory for years

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Osiris himself came up with the idea

river surge
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Why are they just refusing to tell us

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I dont undertsand I am dying to understand

slow berry
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they're building up the next ten years after all

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when the game launched we didn't even know what the fuck a rasputin was

river surge
slow berry
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we were out here tryna find chartreuses and chastiefols and durandals

ember storm
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D1 was built on the idea that Rasputin was just the last Warmind even

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The original direction was gonna be way different

river surge
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Yeah but we can excuse them since at first they had no original idea where to go with the story

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Now they are pretty much set

slow berry
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keeping mysteries around is excellent for a live-service long running game like this

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keeps you flexible and open

river surge
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Depends

slow berry
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like, some of the most beloved moments in destiny storytelling has been oryx and crota and they very much retrofitted than in from the scrapped storyline

river surge
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Some stuff like this can cause confusion and can produce headcannons that could considered true

slow berry
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headcanons are just that

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simply a skill issue if you believe yourself what you have not been told

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the confusion is just a feature, not a bug

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Consider how vague IIIs message was for example, and this is something they mention in-game as well

river surge
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And one thing that I love about this game lore is that its COMPLEX

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and when I mean complex

slow berry
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What does "bind the nine" mean? who the fuck knows time to figure it out

river surge
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I mean complex

river surge
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Was how Salvation Edge raid mechanics

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Were explained metaphorically

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As music

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Or something like that

slow berry
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The Witness' final shape and in general entire resonance thing is based around music yeah

river surge
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That was amazing

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That conductor closing is the best feeling ever

slow berry
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then Euphony explains the final shape not as a single standing thing but more like an orchestrated piece with everything ringing out in harmony

river surge
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Destiny Lore personally

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I think

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Its the most complex and the most exciting lore

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A game has ever had

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Ever

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Its good yet so hard to understand

compact sky
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Are guardians actually locked into their classes or are hunter titan and warlock just professions

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Specialties/Roles in a fireteam

slim girder
slow berry
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calling it a profession is really funny

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clocking in for my 9-5 warlock job

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senior manager of fusion grenades

compact sky
compact sky
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Aslong as they actually want to

slim girder
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It's an extent of expression

slow berry
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in general certain things are just easier to understand and do to different people

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as in real life

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but they're not hardcoded into you

compact sky
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I think I always saw it as more a fireteam needs a bubble, dps, and a well so depending on the guardian they choose what specialty they feel is best for them

slow berry
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your ghost calling you a warlock/hunter/titan is noncanon and retrofitted into the new light thing

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(bubble has not seen use since launch d2)

compact sky
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I always liked using bubble in raids tho

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The extra ult charge is nice

frigid sparrow
slow berry
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13th fireteam member on god

frigid sparrow
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saint powered his bubble with the aura of his walk into the arena

frigid sparrow
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what's it mean for Aunor to be titled "Cormorant Blade?"

hard sigil
hard sigil
dim minnow
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The class and subclass system was made as a way to organize and consolidate our abilities into simple to understand disciplines

sand flint
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I'm sure this was a discussion already but it would be like looking for a needle in the entire universe. But I have a question. Zavala maintained power after targe was destroyed. I looked up why this was the case and the answer I got was that targe was not the reason zavala had power and that he still was connected to the traveler. My question is why didn't cayde still have abilities after Sundance was killed.

blazing wasp
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he didnt maintain any power, he learned stasis later

sand flint
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So in other words stasis doesn't need the traveler at all

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Duh ofc not the fallen use it

blazing wasp
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traveler gives the light

sand flint
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Thanks for helping me understand better

blazing wasp
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its how osiris learned strand

blazing wasp
sand flint
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Could you imagine if cayde had stasis

blazing wasp
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he'd most certainly fare better

sand flint
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No kidding

sand flint
blazing wasp
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ask

sand flint
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If they were to make a live action who would you cast as zavala ikora and cayde

blazing wasp
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i would not know

sand flint
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Even tho hearing his voice would make me think dead pool. I think Ryan Renald would be a good cayde

trim grotto
slim girder
trim grotto
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Shame that Lance isn't around anymore. He would have, of course, been the perfect Zavala.

dim minnow
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the zombie head one right?

slim girder
trim grotto
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Keith did do a very good job. He wasn't trying to be Lance, he was trying to be Zavala, if that makes sense.

dim minnow
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since Zavala is supposedly retiring in the future (in regards to why III referred to Ikora as "Commander" in EoF's ending) they might be doing away with his Character for good

slim girder
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We might possibly have a whole new vanguard in the future of destiny

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Sloane could be a good candidate for titan vanguard.

dim minnow
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who'll be taking over Titan Vanguard then?

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I don't think Saint will be taking the role back anytime soon

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Saladin has obligations with the Cabal Empire

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in terms of lesser known characters we have Siegfried, but he's a Praxic

slim girder
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Only problem with Sloane is she is still half taken and I don't think there's any curing that. So having the extra weight of the vanguard might not be good for her

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Crazy thought

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What about Orin?

dim minnow
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hmmmmm

slim girder
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She's no longer an emissary and wants to come back to the tower to rebuild and help the city

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She might not have a ghost anymore but like Zavala she could definitely try to learn darkness

blazing wasp
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she gives off strand vibes

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someone theyd make learn strand

slim girder
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Only issue i see is she might have the same issue as Zavala of only having one life and ageing. But maybe her time as emissary has effected that

sand flint
modern lodge
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guardians can change how lethal their light is right?

slim girder
modern lodge
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nice

sand flint
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Maybe could be a new subclass

modern lodge
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zapping my titan friend

slim girder
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Ikora can snap her fingers to light a candle but make a crater with her nova bomb

modern lodge
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also giving them the good ol warlock handshake

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i like the "never shake a warlocks hand" thing

slim girder
modern lodge
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isnt orin mortal?

slim girder
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Yes

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She doesn't have a ghost anymore

modern lodge
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gol is dead

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buried right

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is that how its spelt?

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or is it gaul

queen swallow
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Ghaul?

sand flint
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Your right about it not being light or dark but destiny is always shifting and we have had personal encounters with the nine now and they do possess power over time

queen swallow
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Or Xol the worm?

modern lodge
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orin's ghost is named "ghaul" im unsure of the spelling

queen swallow
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Oh

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Gol

slim girder
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It's gol

blazing wasp
queen swallow
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Gol (Ghost), Ghaul (Red War villain), and Xol (Warmind villain)

blazing wasp
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which makes me think how incredibly goofy shiver strike is

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you have the power to freeze something in spacetime, completely halting entropy, and you use it on your hand then bash someones head in with that

modern lodge
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Question, would an exo be able to feed their memories to a computer or type of storage?

slim girder
modern lodge
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Kewl

slim girder
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Real cyberpunk type stuff

blazing wasp
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we were able to do something similar to felwinter, but they're also an exo not previously alive

modern lodge
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After the discovery of the deep stone crypt and all the labs, is the exo technology still lost? We know how it works now

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Right?

slim girder
hard sigil
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if Atraks can do it it's not out of the question

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but yeah I wouldn't want to go through it

modern lodge
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Turn atraks into a little choy toy for my parasite

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Keep the savathun worm company

sick yew
slim girder
hard sigil
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I don't think they were meant to be nukes. there comes a point with any nuclear reactor that it may become a nuke

slim girder
hard sigil
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yeah I know

sick yew
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Also id wager the station was probably a bit safer without the protocol that saw the station crash down to the planet and take it out in a massive explosion active
And also the Eliksni ripping it apart cause that's just what they do with technology

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I doubt under normal circumstances id even be possible to remove the nuclear cores ans carry them around

slim girder
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When we find the conductor I'm going to grab Clovis and stick them both inside an exo frame with no arms and legs. They can argue with each other forever

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I do really want to see a conversation between those 2 psychopaths with god complexes

hard sigil
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honestly with how Maya is scrambling for other options I can definitely see her turning to Clovis

ember storm
hard sigil
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yeah that's true

thorny sequoia
#

Is this the place where we can talk about IRL Lore?

sick yew
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irl lore?

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Like history?

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What

ember storm
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My favorite part of social studies was learning about the ammonites

frigid sparrow
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I have a minor in Krill dialects

little gorge
slow berry
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im p sure the nukes in vesper and dsc arent just power cores

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theyre like

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actively designed to be used as nuclear explosives

little gorge
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i mean

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realistically the nukes in vesper and dsc just don't make any sense it's just video game logic

sick yew
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Some random scientest prob told him about it and in his mind it was a 2 for 1 deal

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Powersource and weapon of mass destruction

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Ez

slow berry
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uranium is expensive

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might as well have it pull double duty

little gorge
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the uranium in reactors and the uranium in bombs are also different things

slow berry
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bro made human robots he can make exploding energy for sure

little gorge
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he poured alkahest into the nuclear reactor to make it explode

ember storm
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this is their intended function

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they're there to turn the station itself into a nuclear armament

thorny sequoia
sick yew
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Ah, yeah you can discuss that here

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If its related to destiny stories this is the place

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That reminds me i should give that stuff a read
My CE arrived yesterday

slim girder
thorny sequoia
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The figure is the most important for me

ember storm
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it in fact destroys Europa too

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because the Morning Star doesn't actually house anything

sick yew
ember storm
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it's floating above the crypt which actually has clarity control

thorny sequoia
slim girder
# ember storm it's floating above the crypt which actually has clarity control

That's kinda the point though. The "crypt" would include the morning star just like how seraph station is also right above a bray lab.
If you get close to his secrets he will drop a whole facility on you laced with nukes. And given Europas destruction was apparently imminent it doesn't seem like he cares whether a planet is destroyed in the process

slow berry
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both of you are right

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The morning star is part of the dsc and almost entirely exists to detonate the planet just in case

ember storm
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if the crypt is compromised it means he doesn't have any control left

slow berry
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he doesnt have any clarity control,,,,,

ember storm
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also i like how he was just bullshitting during his monologue

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Made possible by Clarity Control. Magnificent, wasn’t it? An entity from beyond our own dimension.

slow berry
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hey it was true for all he knew

ember storm
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he had literally no fucking idea

slow berry
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he didnt know much but still

ember storm
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heading on down to bray exoscience just to make fun of him because he based his entire life's work on a statue of some random alien in a blanket

slow berry
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Didnt he think it was the traveler also

slim girder
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No he thought it was something "choosing" him as a messenger

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Because he's a narcissist

ionic stag
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Hi, is there a lore reason explaining Hive architecture/levels, i get that for the gameplay areas need to be " plateformy " so i wonder, they feel so unfunctional in-universe it's hard to feel immersed, i never feel i'm somewhere an ancient alien race is living, reproducing, training etc.

slow berry
ionic stag
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yes of course, i've seen those especially on the dreadnaught, but it's like minimal environnmental story telling considering the number of hive levels and the weight they have in the story imo

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just wanted to ask if some lore books talked about it or whatever

blazing wasp
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loooot of doors, locked doors, probably lead the correct way

queen swallow
# ionic stag Hi, is there a lore reason explaining Hive architecture/levels, i get that for t...

For as good as destiny's story is at times, it has been criticized in the past for being not as in your face, notably in D1 where like 99% of the story was told through Grimoire cards that had to be accessed via a website. We have had moments in the game's history like what you are describing, though mostly with the Fallen in areas like the Last City destination. Hive are a primary antagonist and so it's unlikely that we will see living spaces or training areas for them, same with the Vex, Taken, Scorn and Dread. Cabal we might just at some point in the future if they do a Cabal themed expansion and Fallen we've already seen a lot of.

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It's also a looter shooter genre. Story is categorically secondary to that function of "shoot them and steal their stuff"

grand jungle
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So I seen a comment exos are humans turned exo that real ?

slow berry
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Well, yes

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That's in the flavor text when you make your character, even

trim grotto
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Exo aren't AI. They're people.

grand jungle
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Do we know what human saint looked like

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We don’t

slow berry
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We don't know what any exo looked like as a human, probably because that was very disruptive for exos

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So records were kinda removed I'd hazard

jagged badge
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Well

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We kinda get a glimpse at Clovis so

slow berry
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Clovis is built different though

jagged badge
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?

slow berry
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was immune to DER simply bc he'd just go "nah im me the great clovis"

jagged badge
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That’s not really relevant to what I’m saying

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I’m just pointing him out as an example of where we have seen an Exo before they were an Exo

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From an out-of-universe perspective

slow berry
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Oh I thought it was in-game

ember storm
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stupid old man

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sick yew
slim girder
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You can't tell me Clovis isn't just Hugo Strange without a beard

eager trout
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Sharp Cheddar is my new favorite character.

uneven canyon
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Do Awoken expirience anything similar to Exos, where they get flashes of their past life?

ember storm
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You mean specifically only the ones that were aboard the exodus ship caught in the collapse?

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Yeah they just had like a vague awareness of their lives before then barring maybe Mara I think

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All awoken born after that are just regular people

eager trout
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What's the canon difficulty of the Destiny universe?

queen swallow
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What do you mean by "canon difficulty"?

blazing wasp
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its hard to translate that because a lot of gameplay stuff, like sunbracers' abilities, is not confirmed in lore to exist

slim girder
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We see guardians get pretty beat up sometimes but still definitely hold their own through combat prowess

ember storm
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Basically any difficulty where you can take multiple shots to the face aren’t going to be

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Anything else is just interpretation

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Ikora, one of the strongest guardians in existence, still got knocked down by one Hydra blast

dim minnow
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our enemies weapons are pretty nutty in lore

slow berry
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im p sure canonically the guardians just dont get shot

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rather than be around tanking a million shots

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Or at least get shot way less often

dim minnow
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at least us getting shot a lot while in our supers has some justification

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in a lore tab, when Saladin was presumably in a solar super, the solar energy around him burned so hot that any projectiles Cabal were shooting at him were incincerated before they could even touch his body

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in another case where Ana Bray got overcharged with Light (something I wish was mentioned again) merely touching her caused parts of an insane exo's body to melt

pale hull
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I dont know if this counts as lore, but I was just doing my hundredth Caldera Solo, and a quote from Devrim Kay caught my atteintion. Is it possible that Devrim is actually a destiny game designer?

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dim minnow
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@fringe lantern MARKED FOR NEGATION

slim girder
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Ngl I do kinda miss the more cinematic and story driven seasons. Datapads are cool but it doesn't really feel like any notable events are happening between an expansion and the major update.

blazing wasp
eager trout
eager trout
trim grotto
blazing wasp
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the gameplay of getting attacked just doesnt translate that well to lore

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because you gotta actually make the gameplay work

ember storm
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sorry sir your credit card declined and you're locked below the new power threshhold

grand jungle
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So Siva is nanobites right

slim girder
grand jungle
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Isn’t it poosible to make them again

slim girder
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No. We destroyed the replication chamber back during rise of iron. Only active siva left is the stuff we use in outbreak perfected

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The cloudstriders on neomuna use a much more sophisticated version of Siva though. We don't actually know what they call it though. I call it "speed metal" because there's a ghost shell that is covered in it.

jagged badge
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Which seems much more like the actual name for it

river surge
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Its so over for Maya

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next time we met her its her demise forever

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Askying something

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is it possible for an echo to have a memory of The Witness or its species ?

slow berry
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p sure we killed all of it

slim girder
jagged badge
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Says who?

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I just don’t think it’s likely for more Echoes to be turning up personally

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I don’t think we can really ascribe rules to the Echoes like this though

slim girder
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I guess. Idk though, the witness was an entire race of people not a singular being and all the echoes we've seen have housed just 1 being.

ember storm
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I mean I feel like if they just do echo of navigation 2 but with a precursor it’d be lame

frigid sparrow
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"you're telling me my entire civilization decided to merge themselves into a singular form of both body and mind?"
"yeah"
"... oh, okay"

sick yew
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We still dont know whats up with the portal in Vespers right

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Like what faction it belongs to or where it even leads

ember storm
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It’s me

slim girder
slow berry
sick yew
lucid magnet
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The eliksni of house salvation. A splinter group

sick yew
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I highly doubt that

lucid magnet
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They basically said fk Kell's k the light fk everything

sick yew
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They were just hanging out at the station when the Puppeteer crashed into it and then all got corrupted

slim girder
sick yew
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Huh, nvm

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They build the thing?

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I thought it was already there back in the golden age

lucid magnet
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Broda. The eliksni bould it

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Build

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House salvation. / Eramis. Deserters. Who wanted to

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Live their own lives without houses without war

sick yew
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In that case I gotta rephrase
Why did they build the portal
Who told them to and how, I assume its related to the Puppeteer but where did they get it from

lucid magnet
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They got corrupted by the puppetter

sick yew
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That much I know yeah

lucid magnet
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And build that gate

sick yew
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But what was the Puppeteer gonna do with the Portal?

lucid magnet
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On his orders + schematics left from Clovis bray on vesper station

sick yew
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So they wanted to build the Portal in the Golden Age but never did so

lucid magnet
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They tought they were building a massive ether harvester. But it was a glassway like portal schematics

slim girder
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It might look like a portal but lore in vespers host confirms it's not

sick yew
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Im just calling it Portal for clarity's sake
But either way its a bit odd cause the design doesnt really look like anything related to a faction we know or Human

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Closest association I get from it is Witness like cause of the lines

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lucid magnet
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Vex + Clovis + eliksni. Vex was the inspiration. The project was ideated by humans. (Clovis) And it was eliksni who build it

sick yew
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Aaaand it looks like none of those lmfao

lucid magnet
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It's a combination of all those

slim girder
sick yew
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Vex I can maybe see but Eliksni and Human? Eh

slim girder
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Eliksni built it using vex tech. The wires are all eliksni but again the core of it is vex

lucid magnet
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Clovis made the schematics. Eliksni followed said schematics

slim girder
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Not even he would know how to build this type of thing. He had a vex goblin make the portal in the glassway even

sick yew
lucid magnet
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I'm 98% sure while the eliksni were scavenging vesper station they found plans for that "portal" , they thought they could make an ether harvester out of it.

ember storm
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I have not played the dungeon Clueless

lucid magnet
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There is a byf video on it

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Explaining most of the stuff

sick yew
ember storm
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Byf FLOOF

slim girder
ember storm
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Obviously it’s the AllSpark as featured in the Bay Transformers movies

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Get with the program

sick yew
slow berry
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after Big Harpy i think they should make a boss that is Big Servitor

slim girder
slow berry
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sepiks prime perfected

ember storm
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An actual giant Servitor boss that uses it abilities in an interesting way would be great

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Even insurrection prime was standard size

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I want a Servitor bigger than riven that absorbs parts of the map

slim girder
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While it would be cool the biggest threat we've seen the fallen create was insurrection prime.
A servitor of that size would need an unbelievable amount of biomass to power if it's supposed to be the ether factory for whatever house controls it.

slow berry
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that'd be cool i think

slim girder
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Raeniks is what happens when a servitor starts consuming things to make ether..

ember storm
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He don’t look too big

slim girder
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I meant the brig lol

ember storm
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That’s not the Servitor is it FLOOF

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I want a giant sphere that’s very angry

river surge
slim girder
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Angry traveler turned itself into the death star

river surge
sick yew
river surge
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The only thing The Traveler did besides creating Ghosts

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shooting a laser beam

slim girder
sick yew
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Ah

river surge
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Clovis Bray

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I wonder what Clovis Bray thought about The Traveler

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Imagine all the crazy ideas he had

slim girder
slow berry
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literally yeah

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somethingsomething "why are we depending on it we should either remove it or make sure it cant betray us"

river surge
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Clovis Bray if a ghost ressurected him

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💀

sick yew
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Clovis is still alive tho