📚lore-discussion

[trim grotto]

Right on both counts.

[jagged badge]

Keep spoiler talk in #1394367773207040042

[fresh zephyr]

I'm so confused, was the Witness stronger than the Nine? Is that why they let it hold the entire Sol system hostage for like five whole years

[river surge]

No

The Nine are stronger in Sol

[hard sigil]

we could assume that it's part of their larger plans

they see all time at once

[river surge]

who The Witness?

[hard sigil]

the nine

[river surge]

Oh

[hard sigil]

they likely knew we weren't going to lose

[river surge]

But I dont think The Witness can infact do something against them

without TFS The Witness has no way to do smth against The Nine

[ember storm]

Could they not just take the whole planetary system and never have to worry about them

[agile field]

who is maya

[ember storm]

Golden age researcher and scientist, big head in the Ishtar Collective

One of the founders of neomuna and now acts as the Conductor

[trim grotto]

I could only assume the Witness is infinite leagues stronger than the Nine, unless you're breaking the spoiler rule and sharing something I haven't seen yet

[fresh zephyr]

I would never😤

[trim grotto]

The Nine aren't paracausal, for all their curious power
The Witness has an inherent advantage

[river surge]

They do exist in a higher dimension

What can The Witness do about that

[ember storm]

Do the exact same and rewrite all of reality on a universal scale to the point that the nine would simply cease to exist

The nine literally don’t do anything that’s the whole point

[river surge]

Without The Traveler can he do that? No

[ember storm]

The reason they didn’t make contact for anything since Arrivals is because they simply didn’t have an answer for it

[ember storm]

And what are the nine going to do to stop the witness

[river surge]

Nothing, thats the whole point

[ember storm]

Because if they literally can’t do anything while the witness goes on its merry way to create the final shape, that’s it

The witness exists solely for that express purpose

[river surge]

I kinda want to say smth but I cant since its spoiler for the campaign

[ember storm]

The witness simply has zero need to directly face the nine and the nine have no way to stop the witness on their own

[river surge]

Oh god I really wanna say smth but its a spoiler

[ember storm]

Toil in silence

[river surge]

I cant bro the mods are coming

I can see them coming

[agile field]

wait, i missed a few dialogues, from when is lokdo

[ember storm]

lonkdo

[agile field]

lodi

[ember storm]

Laundry

[agile field]

what was the collapse?

[ember storm]

Many centuries ago

It was when the golden age of humanity collapsed

[agile field]

the why?

[ember storm]

Mass extinction events, plagues, natural disasters, because the pyramid came in and tried destroying everything the traveler helped build

[agile field]

bcuz of the witness right?

[ember storm]

The witness sent the pyramids yes

The initial attacks were performed by nezarec

[agile field]

nezarec?

[ember storm]

Final god of pain, final boss of the Root of Nightmares raid

One of the witness’ disciples

Tormentors are genetically engineered copies based on him

[agile field]

oh okk

ty

[river surge]

Humanitys collapse

[jagged badge]

#1394367773207040042

[nimble mango]

oh sorry my bad

[sweet locust]

Just to make sure I didn’t miss anything

[hazy veldt]

correct me if im wrong

biggest wish of the nine

is to free themselves of being bound to planetoids

[slim girder]

#1394367773207040042

[hazy veldt]

dawg im covering it for a reason

[slim girder]

Not the image though

[hazy veldt]

imagine is not covered?

[slim girder]

No

At least on my end

[hazy veldt]

weird i marked it as spoiler

[slim girder]

I've done the campaign but you should still talk about it the other channel

[hazy veldt]

nah covered all good

i hope the raid clarifies things up

[eager trout]

||Probably reality bent around the singularity||

[hazy veldt]

I wanna hear the mael’s opinion on this

[jagged badge]

Still keep it to #1394367773207040042

[trim grotto]

And life. Without life, they have no thought.

[trim grotto]

The mael hasn't played it yet

[south coyote]

Got my collector's edition in, has anyone actually gone to the parking garage it mentions by the green line or am I going to be the first one to take that wild goose chase

[trim grotto]

Please go to #1394367773207040042

[ember storm]

Your all glooby

[fresh zephyr]

So it seems I was correct about the music

[fresh zephyr]

That's what I thought, because I always thought that The Witness had every race and faction in a chokehold since like Shadowkeep, and if the Nine were stronger, they would have taken issue with it?

[paper gorge]

are we allowed to talk about the lore dlc here or #1394367773207040042 ?

[fresh zephyr]

But then what about that Lord of Every Nothing Octopus guy that's trying to hijack the Winnower?

[river surge]

We dont know

currently theres no plan for the taken

so we might find out later

[slim girder]

Not hijack. But as of now nothing just yet. It's only day 2 though so who knows what the future holds

[jagged badge]

Spoiler chat

[paper gorge]

alright thanks

[slim perch]

does anyone know what the statues found in say vow of the disciple and stuff are called, all the victim races on display and calcified/cut up

just trying to find images of them easier

searching darkness statues just keeps bringing the veiled one

[lofty cape]

What’s new with Ada?

[ember storm]

those aren't finalized things

rhulk just has like scorn put in fridges and a big dissected hive worm

[ember storm]

nothing since BL

[slim perch]

she doesnt have time to explain

[slim perch]

are there other examples in other places in game?

[ember storm]

that's a different character

[ember storm]

wdym

[slim perch]

i forgor

[ember storm]

Rhulk literally just has a bunch of weird art deco shit because he's a fake intellectual loser

[slim perch]

unfortunately ive had game uninstalled for a while but there were many statues of things of people/creatures and stuff

all very rocky and cut up

[ember storm]

there was just vaguely humanoid things and horses

Rhulk's pyramid just has statues

[hard sigil]

those are the witnesses art projects

[ember storm]

the actual calcified things split up into weird abominations are from the final shape and the postcampaign lost ghost quests

none of those are in the vow pyramid

rhulk just has like, statues of horses with 16 legs

[slim perch]

yes i recall this one

[ember storm]

it's not real

there's a very distinct difference between actual statues and victims of finalization

[hard sigil]

though it may be depicting star horse

[slim perch]

yeah im just trying to find images of the finalized things, or really any that aren't the damn veiled one

[hard sigil]

unless the witness and Rhulk just got really into the idea of horses when they came to do the collapse

[slim perch]

they needed a mount

[hard sigil]

like the preserved corpses?

[slim perch]

yeah

[ember storm]

just look up the lost ghost quests

they're found in areas added in FS with actual finalization around

[hard sigil]

here's the big worm

[ember storm]

keep in mind that nothing related to the final shape happened before that point

[slim perch]

yeah stuff like this basically i recall this one

[ember storm]

everything else is just an actual statue or things that were just killed normallu

Rhulk's pyramid doesn't have anything finalized

that's just part of his worm experiments

[slim perch]

unfortunately just rips up a bunch of guide stuff/thumbnails on images

i might have to speed redownload the game

[ember storm]

i mean videos

video guides of the quests

[hard sigil]

there's also the preserved fallen/scorn and Cabal

[ember storm]

they all have finalized victims at the end

[hard sigil]

all I can find is this thumbnail but

[ember storm]

khulk

[hard sigil]

Khulk

[slim perch]

khulk

[lofty cape]

Wait, what happened then?

[ember storm]

the start of BL is when the pyramids first encroached on the system, we lost planets and moons, and when the forges were lost

Ada just since moved on to working on cosmetics in-universe and finds it to be a fulfilling activity

[lofty cape]

oh that’s right, when we lost Asher and Sloane?

Thought she lost them in season of the forge though

[ember storm]

the plot of season of the forge was about finding the black armory facilities to use again

that's what the forge activities were

then the forges got lost completed when Arrivals ended

anyway, Asher just bit the bullet on his vex assimilation and entered the pyramidion before things went down

Sloane just stayed on Titan as the moon was taken

[lofty cape]

oh, so we had the forges up until BL?

[ember storm]

yes

[lofty cape]

oh nice

another questions, what exotic armor did the black armory make?

[ember storm]

none that i'm aware of

the BA wasn't built for guardians, it was built for normal humans who don't have any abilities

the weapons are supposed to be the special part

all it really focused on were weapons

[lofty cape]

what about that one stasis arms for hunters

[ember storm]

that wasn't made by the black armory

that was made by Ada alone after all the forges were gone

it's a stasis exotic, so it would be after BL

No matter. For now, she would focus on one day at a time, and today, she would spin gold from straw. Her fingers traced the lines on the shoulder of the new gauntlets she had designed. She was determined to see them completed. They wouldn't save the system, no, but they would represent the Black Armory well. Sometimes, she just needed something for herself.```

[lofty cape]

I was assuming cause of the last paragraph on the renewal grasps page

Not a weapon, but armor woven

[river surge]

How the hell do we not know about the collapse

When rasputin clovis and failsafe fr had to have a record of it somewhere

[ember storm]

Wdym not know

It was more than just one thing happening at once

[river surge]

Theres no record or date or something?

It just happend during the golden age thats what we know only

When Nezraec attacked Earth with the black fleet

But theres no way Clovis or Rasputin or Failsafe didnt have a date or a record or something right?

[slow berry]

Failsafe got stuck in a vex time anomaly for a while im p sure, Clovishead was powered off and Rasputin was a lil weird like that (and also shut itself down during the collapse and only properly returned over the course of the game) so its entirely possible timers and counters are unreliable

Ultimately its because its easier and more convenient for lore writing

[river surge]

Still wierd that they are avoiding to show the collapse cause it might actually contain twists that we might not know

[slow berry]

well yeah that is why

[lofty cape]

MIDNIGHT EXIGENT – a long-term counterattack protocol and moral structure change. All systems enter a period of extended deactivation to survive and later devise a countermeasure for an overwhelming threat. The protocol seemingly allows Rasputin to ignore his responsibility to protect human populations in favor of taking any measures deemed necessary to ensure his own survival. As of The Guardian slaying Xol, Will of the Thousands, MIDNIGHT EXIGENT is still in-progress.[68]

[slow berry]

Pre-golden age and collapse are still unexplored times for the most part

Which is cool!

[river surge]

And The Traveler

[slow berry]

I wanna know more things but I would rather know them as they have them

[sweet locust]

My reaction to people comparing Expansion story’s has made my realize how overrated taken king is

Taken kings story was not better than edge of fates

Or forsaken

Or witchqueen.

[slow berry]

to be fair the taken king was when the game's narrative chops started to show and it was a lot of aura farming that goes hard as hell

[slow berry]

ehhh

[slow berry]

ehhhhhhh

[sweet locust]

Really?

[sweet locust]

Ok forsaken I might have hype up to much

But it was not better than witchqueen

[slow berry]

I just don't like witch queen but either way ofc people have different appeals and tastes

and ideas for what a campaign story should be

[sweet locust]

I’m not saying kings falls story was bad just that compared to other major expansions it’s the “hype moments and aura” of them all.

[slow berry]

a lot of people just want hype moments and aura though

its why shounen anime is so popular for example

so it makes sense the hype moments and aura expansion ft nostalgia is beloved

[sweet locust]

Yes but lots of shounen still have good writing.

[slow berry]

i digress

Either way yeah different folks and strokes

[analog torrent]

Are there any stories of dark age cannibalism of Risen? I have been thinking about this for like a year

Few animals
Immortals capable of total regeneration wandering around, some benevolent
???

[hard sigil]

interesting concept. definitely wouldn't be possible to use it like that if you're hostile to the risen in question but I can see a risen trying to help out a starving community. probably hasn't been touched on because of the cannibalism taboo

[jagged badge]

There is lore on this actually, and it’s Drifter saying it’s not possible

It doesn’t elaborate on the how but

[slow berry]

I'd assume rezzing utilizes the matter

You don't go around leaving corpses usually

[jagged badge]

(You can't, if you're askin'.)```

[analog torrent]

Oh yeah that's another question that's been bouncing around
Always wondered if a risen trapped in a hole could die over and over again until they had enough bodies to climb out
Ig not

damn that implies he tried it

[ember storm]

we know what the collapse was and how it happened, what they want to avoid is just giving explicit dates and times because that can really disrupt future lore and needlessly make a bunch of fact checking every time they want to reference the past beyond "this was either decades or centuries ago"

[lofty badge]

do Xivu still control some Scorn that was formerly under Witness command?

[wide condor]

hi im at the beginning of the campaign so no spoilers please but can you please explain tho me who is lavask / the archon?

[lofty badge]

#1394367773207040042 that will have to go into that i think

[wide condor]

ok thanks

:<

they told me its not the right channel either

im just gonna ask on reddit and thats it

[lofty badge]

huh weird

[fresh zephyr]

it always irked me that Skolas is still alive, and the Vanguard are just totally okay with it, despite the fact he is both mad, and undead

what stops him for trying to unite the Houses again, or using more vex tech

surely he hates us even more for what we did on Venus, and in Prison

[lofty badge]

i think he is braindead

he is utterly mindless and hanging around the prison of elders

or wait nvm

did some reading

he does not seem that mindless

[fresh zephyr]

What's stopping Skolas from taking Exile from their worst, and being like "yknow guys, the Tower isn't thaaaat protected"

[lofty badge]

well atm that he is scorn and somewhere else?

[fresh zephyr]

But Skolas surely knows about Kepler, the Long Drift and all?

[lofty badge]

honestly where would he know about Kelper from?

[fresh zephyr]

The Long Drift

[lofty badge]

the system is big and Kepler is only one small Planetoid, high chance the house of wolves never came across it

is this not getting into spoilers?

#1394367773207040042 ?

[fresh zephyr]

omg

thank you lmao

[lofty badge]

XD

[fresh zephyr]

Happens to the best of us it seems

😔

[trim grotto]

Well, there kind of aren't any. There's Salvation, Light, and the fragmented remains of Dusk, which is more of a cover all for the Houseless. Plus whatever Exiles is.

[trim grotto]

On a similar note, Exiles are... Not big. And besides, they already failed an attack on the City with Twilight Gap and Six Fronts, and both of those had far greater numbers as far as troops go.

Skolas is definitely an issue to be handled though

[junior kernel]

who are the oldest human (not awoken or exo) light bearers we know of? and how old are they?

[trim grotto]

We don't know who the oldest are explicitly, nor could we give an age given that we don't know how long the Dark Ages were.
However, Lightbearers like Drifter and Saladin are up there.

[ember storm]

the oldest person in the room is you, the user reading this message

[trim grotto]

Wait

[ember storm]

🧓

[slim girder]

@trim grotto Have you done it yet?

[trim grotto]

I won't until the weekend proper
I only just finished my shift

[slim girder]

I was kinda lucky on my end because I broke my ankle. But if I hadn't I would have had to work at launch.

[frigid sparrow]

Well, for one, the vanguard obviously does care considering we're sent out to kill Skolas within the prison over and over again in Kell's Vengeance. Two, the eliksni seem to deeply resent and fear the scorn, so any "uniting" is moreso "taking by force." And, while not totally mindless, he is still scorn- his mind is still wrapped in vengeance and anger, and we can't say for certain how complicated his thoughts can be. Fikrul was unique in that regard, and even he was still fairly crazy. Additionally, both the warden and the awoken both seem capable of keeping him on the shore- after all, the prisoners inside are still technically trapped, and with the final shape averted the awoken are likely going to be able to capable of regaining more full control over the shore.

But Skolas really seems like a "break glass in case we need a reason to use scorn" thing right now

Then again, with the focus on the nine within the fate saga and their former.. "connection," it wouldn't surprise me if he does get a small role later on

[tight inlet]

I wonder what Lodi will think of seeing other planets (and old golden age ruins), his opinion on these random topics would be an interesting thing to show due to the fact he's from pre golden age. Like humanity landed on the moon then you get sent forward in time to see its evolution and ruin by the hive/eliksni

And the reaction to seeing earth will be most interesting.

Due to the fact he hasn't met/interacted with the cabal or hive and he would probably be interested in them but also terrified due to the fact the cabal used to be our enemies and the hive have the light, not to mention the scorn and dread.

[slim girder]

I think the traveler might be his biggest interest because in the collectors edition lore there is a note that indicates the first sighting of the traveler approaching Sol.

50ish years later the traveler arrived

He might have actually been one of the first people ever to have seen it.

[slow berry]

nvm i dont remember if that was in the CE

[tight inlet]

Yeah, your right he knows the traveler is probably there, but then he might see the pyramid ship and be like "what's that thing"

Since root of nightmares is just floating in space next to the traveler.

[slow berry]

"oh yeah the universe was like maybe two to three minutes away from ending for a bit but we got past it"

[slim girder]

Translators or anyone proficient in language study would be great for a company looking to establish communication with other worldly life.

[slim girder]

He was shown visions of the collapse, he's seen them before but obviously wouldn't know what they actually were or who controlled them.

[tight inlet]

"we also watched our best friend cayde 6 come back from the dead thanks to a wish dragon"
Lodi: I'm sorry, a WISH WHAT

[slow berry]

"yeah here's a bone watch out though they speak"

[tight inlet]

And Lodi might get Osiris confused for Osiris the Egyptian god. That would be fun to see.

[slim girder]

He has got A LOT of time to spend in the warlock halls prolly.

[tight inlet]

Since some guardians have names of gods or numbers and stuff.

[slim girder]

Exos will be pretty interesting to him. Even though the story behind them is very dark and sinister

[tight inlet]

Yeah, and Clovis will just gloat to Lodi about he's intelligence and wisdom/immoral decision making with human subjects.

And the taken will be a sight for him for sure.

And I just realized he knew about the traveler, but not the inside.

If he goes into the pale heart he is going to have a field day about it.

[slow berry]

i dont think we're letting people in anymore

[slim girder]

Guardians and some coalition forces remain there but according to crow it's a designated no fly zone.

[dim minnow]

though it seems the potential threat the valence could have posed is gone

[slim girder]

True.

[shrewd ravine]

Am I able to ask a question about the dlc story here? Or nah lol

[hard sigil]

#1394367773207040042 would be the place

[fresh zephyr]

Could the Witness be resurrected

let me reword that

summoned

like through an Echo?

[ember storm]

No

The echoes themselves are the memories

You can’t do anything beyond what they are themselves

[hollow hinge]

He has no reason to fear the Cabal on earth unless someone gives him stories of their atrocities ahead of time

He'll arrive and he'll see allies, he'll be more intrigued by their language first and foremost, not their history

As for Taken and Scorn, no reason for him to interact with them and the chance of him encountering Hive are low but not 0

[hollow hinge]

Where would he interact with Clovis?

As for the Hive having the light, he has no reason to believe our abilities are exclusive

The abilities are shocking on their own, adding "oh yea and this enemy faction also has some of our abilities" won't be that shocking to him

[slim girder]

Insane theory.
What if Lodi as a linguist is able to solve the dreads language? What if a piece of lore from him in the future researching them enables us to solve it?

[hollow hinge]

I wonder if Bungie has even thought of this lol

But it'd be really cool

[eager trout]

I just had a dream about the Nine

The planets talking to the Guardian in a hypothetical dream space or something

Uranus or Neptune (not sure which) sounded similar to Alan Tudyk

[hard sigil]

very emissary of you

[eager trout]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-huh-what-gif-14848454493863729355

[eager trout]

(Or Alan Tudyk's official Spanish dub voice)

Also, I think Neptune (or Uranus, not sure which was talking at any time because they were really close to each other) said that humanity would be "like a river"

Europa talked for some reason (sounded female)

And I think it said something and made a black hole appear behind the area where the Guardian was standing

[hard sigil]

strand reference...

[winter agate]

i wasnt following the story closely but what does maya have to do with eof?

[hard sigil]

follow me to #1394367773207040042

[fringe wasp]

Does orin have a ghost or is she mortal?

[dim minnow]

She had a Ghost, Gol, but he died during the Red War

[fringe wasp]

ohh

[eager trout]

I just heard Orin's English voice for the first time

[fringe wasp]

very british innit

[red latch]

I played episode with conductor when it came out last year but I completely forgot her purpose. Why is she evil?/what does she want to accomplish?

[slim girder]

She wants to bring the golden age back and also find her lost partner chioma esi. However she's too obsessed with this pursuit that she's lost all humanity and has even murdered the real version of chioma.

[ember storm]

Also her method is going to be drowning the system in radiolaria and assimilating everyone

[red latch]

She wants to bring the golden age back like just because it was a prosperous time?

[ember storm]

Because humanity basically lost everything and her line of thought is that because she lived through it she’s the only one who can make humanity matter again

[strong tendon]

I’m just about to finish the outer steppes strangelet

And I have no idea wtf is going on in this story

[jagged badge]

Can’t discuss it here until Tuesday

[sharp solstice]

Does anyone have recommendations on videos to watch to catch up on the lore?

[slim girder]

https://youtu.be/0MArhdUNa54?feature=shared

This is all the lore from the final shape up to edge of fate

[sharp solstice]

Thanks! I appreciate it

[sick yew]

Whats up with certain lorebooks having a empty 1st page thats unlocked last

I never figured out whats up with that

[dapper moss]

its odd idk

[calm stream]

Who else has been loving the story and Lodi as a character

I think the story is really well developed so far and I’m only halfway through it

[slim girder]

I loved it as well as the side quests.

[jagged badge]

#1394367773207040042 for new content until Tuesday

[ember storm]

I love the part when ||you|| and the ||are|| went to ||a|| and then ||nerd||

[lean hamlet]

So I have a general question

What are like the biggest feats of the stronger characters in Destiny 2

Witnesss Xivu etc

Oryx

[ember storm]

Well the witness momentarily ceased all existence in the universe

Oryx is afaik the first “normal” individual to ever master the power of the taken and kill a worm god

he’s also the most famous trans person in the universe

[trim grotto]

You might be interested in reading the Books of Sorrow. It covers rather a lot of the actions of the Hive Gods.

That said... what else...
Nezarec and the Black Fleet caused the Collapse... and many others like it, such as the Whirlwind on Riis.
Savathun nearly successfully contained the Traveler in her Throne World.
Savathun also killed Nezarec.
Rhulk tore a rib from the Leviathan.
There's a lot of stuff in Destiny, y'know?

[ember storm]

Rhulk was definitely a redditor

[slow berry]

it might be unlocked after the raid maybe?

like the 15th wish eventually?

[sick yew]

If I remember correctly this has been a thing for a while now

[trim grotto]

oh that
no it's just an arbitrary "this means you unlocked the whole thing" page

it's kinda meaningless

[sick yew]

Yeah but why make it the first page

Its so odd

[hard sigil]

it's the "title page"

[winged ocean]

So is Maya slowly redeeming herself in this expansion?

It also looks like she found her "perfect wife" in the raid

And I think it was before the message where ikora let her join the conversation like she was part of the team

[ember storm]

#1394367773207040042

[hard sigil]

true

[dapper moss]

what's the diference between the sol collective and sol divisive?

and the sol inherent

or is sol inherent a title

[hard sigil]

Sol Collective is the generic Vex that are across the system from Europa to Mercury. Sol Divisive is the Collective that split off into the Black Garden and started following the Witness

[dapper moss]

what is the black garden exactly

is it a vex simulation?

[hard sigil]

and Sol Inherent, from what I can tell, are Divisive Vex that have contacted the witness and become "religious figures"

[ember storm]

Sol Inherent are the raid bosses

[dapper moss]

it's a title

i see

[ember storm]

Frames built specifically to interface with darkness

And deliver it to the rest of the collective

[next bobcat]

So how do guardians experience death? Are they conscious, or do they just die and immediately feel the rez?

[ember storm]

Nah ghost cam is canon

It’s a skill you can learn

[hard sigil]

a pocket dimension outside regular time and space

it's still not really clear but it's been around for a long time

[next bobcat]

Oh neat

[winged ocean]

I'm an idiot I'm so sorry

[tight inlet]

So, since vex are becoming more diverse, who thinks kabr will one day have his moments in the spot light, since the last time we had a reference to him being alive was during ep echoes in a lore entry.

[slow berry]

what lore entry is that

p sure he's like

assimilated

in the network

i could eventually see having allied vex (because it's sorta leaning into having allies from all species, which I think is going to be the eventual response to the winnower's logic by refusing to be one single stronger organism over all) but idk if that'd be kabr

[tight inlet]

It was in an entry in a weapon I think.
His in the network, like Asher, but with the copy's of the other Ishtar.

I think.

Most info I'm saying is from the top of my head.

[slim girder]

He's not alive. He used the last of his light to create the aegis relic you use in VoG. He drank radiolaria even and was completely consumed by the vex. Not stored or existing within the network but fully gone.

[hard sigil]

you might be thinking of Praedyth

who did get stuck in the vault and had contact with the Ishtar copies

and was referenced in Echoes

`And as they neared the shimmering pinpoint, a rush of their voices:

"We need to warn them—" "There's still a chance—" "SAINT—" "Hold on to me—" "I AM OWED THIS—" "Hurry, get Shim—" "There isn't enough of me left—" "TELL ELSIE PRAEDYTH STILL—" "Please, please wait—" "Warn them—" "I have to warn them—"

They reached, a spiraling halo of desperate fingertips.

But only one of them would be first.`

it's important to note that it is the vex net so there's many, many simulations and timeline shenanigans happening (including an alternate timeline Osiris, who still has the light)

[jagged badge]

#1394367773207040042 for new content until Tuesday

[mild junco]

Alr

[eager trout]

How did Maya get hold of the Echo and become the Conductor?

[ember storm]

It landed in the depths of Nessus, the planetoid itself essentially acting as a data hub for the vex

So a fragment or copy of Maya managed to reach it first

[tight inlet]

Right, sorry, I got them mixed when i posted that, didn't mean kabr, meant Praedyth, my mistake.

[tight inlet]

Imagine if it landed on Venus or near the vault. The storys would have been interesting. Like image if the echo warped the vault and create overlaying timelines on Venus's surface, like timelines created after the witness death, example the red war happens after the witness, or something.

[ember storm]

praedyth is already in the vex net as a whole now

he made contact with the 227

[tight inlet]

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[mild junco]

Whats the name of Maya's daughter

[dapper moss]

nisa

[sick yew]

She has a daughter?

Had

Whatever

[slim girder]

Yes. Golden age developed a way to incubate a baby without the need for a surrogate iirc. I forgot what chioma called it.

[sick yew]

Damn

Any clue where shes at these days?

Prob dead

[slim girder]

Yeah I don't believe she'd be around anymore after the collapse or if she even ended up being born.

[eager trout]

Wouldn't that just be cloning?

[hard sigil]

to expand on the dialogue
Maya Sundaresh: What did we name our daughter? Chioma Esi: …Nisa. Maya Sundaresh: Elaborate. Chioma Esi: We… debated names for weeks. Parthenogenetic incubation was moving along fine in the lab. Chioma Esi: [takes sobbing breath] Then the Collapse. Everything happened so fast; we had to leave! We—

[hard sigil]

kinda? I'm no geneticist, but it can result in a full clone, or the mother's genes will get shuffled, resulting in a similar, but not identical child

[empty fern]

Whats the 3 different stages of savathuns worm familiar? We had living, calcified, and what else

[slow berry]

he's a gun right now

[ember storm]

the inbetween was just the worm being dead

the final stage where we got it was actually calcified

[ember storm]

the worm familiar that Sathona got on fundament, not the parasite

[empty fern]

Uh

[empty fern]

I mean the one that ikora put in the conclave for that one cutscene

[ember storm]

yes

[empty fern]

Also arent those the same?

[ember storm]

we're talking about the worm familiar

it is specifically a different organism

[ember storm]

yes, that is the worm familiar

it was never ingested as a parasite

it is a different worm from the one savathun had inside of her since becoming a hive

[jagged badge]

We obtained the calcified worm familiar from Savathûn’s Throne World and got a memory from it using the Enclave. Savathûn’s worm that we make the Parasite weapon with was obtained by Mara Sov from exorcising Savathûn in the finale of Season of the Lost

[empty fern]

Ohhh

Greedy sathona

[jagged badge]

?

[ember storm]

i mean it's not like the worm familiar actually did anything

that's why she just left it on a statue after everything was said and done

[pseudo pebble]

Maya’s echo was able to ‘command’ III into our world

why are the other 2 echoes so mid in comparison

poor fikrul

[river surge]

They are not, it depends on the user and how well they understand the power of the echo

Mayas echo is strong in general because it has the ability to "Control"

[slow berry]

aight fellas the embargo's up

we can know discuss the Lore

nevermind

[sick yew]

Back to spoiler chat with you

sho

[pseudo pebble]

then it’s fikrul who’s mid

buddy’s biggest feat was crashing the helm

[slow berry]

fikrul's was strong

shit makes you immortal immortal

[pseudo pebble]

ironic

he’s dead

[empty fern]

Witneth

[slim girder]

Because mayas echo while still having the memory of another being inside of still didn't really act in its own. The other 2 echoes though they were pretty much sentient in nature with one choosing people worthy of its power and the other literally being a younger version of oryx.

[pseudo pebble]

I like this better

One thing that was a negative for me in revenant narrative wise

Was us being repeatedly told the echo of riis was acting stubborn

in heresy we actually get to see one do so with our own eyes

and nice dialogue as well

[slim girder]

Fun fact the reason mayas echo has its controlling powers is because the memory of the being inside was a captain who had the ability to command entire space fleets through their mind. And once the battle was over they would release that command and everyone would become independent again

[ember storm]

remind me later to photoshop giant buckteeth and thick nerd glasses onto the witness

[ember storm]

i did it

[trim grotto]

#1394367773207040042
I haven't done it yet

So thanks for that

[ashen comet]

I just saw something that said the embargo was over thats my had.

[jagged badge]

It isn’t

It hasn’t been a week yet

[ashen comet]

I realized thats why Im apologizing not trying to be snarky.

Im bad at wording.

[analog torrent]

How many known cases of risen knowing who they were before they were rezzed are there?
Off the top of my head:
100%: felwinter, ana, crow, cayde, savathun, micah, the character from that loretab that remembered his past life and then died seconds later during the lightfall or TFS year
Maybe: eris, zavala, orin

[tight inlet]

Ikora may have remember this dlc (or at least know some parts thanks to Lodi), but the question I want to know is if they'll ever try to find the ruins of their work place or at least a golden age version of it cause there's a chance the organization remains active until the end of the golden age/first arrival of the black fleet.

[slim girder]

Crow didn't at first. He woke up, saw the burial shroud on him and then every other guardian he met shot him so he kept a helmet on..

He only discovered who he was when savathun told him. Which sent him into a panic.

[dull raft]

admittedly, valid.

[slim girder]

You know speaking of cayde I still wonder why when the red legion attacked he thought the solution would be to fire a golden gun shot.
I don't think that would have done basically anything lol.
Ana bray and Shin malphur have been the only guardian to have notable achievements as gunslingers with ana supposedly having left scorches from her golden gun that are still burning

Shin malphur just has the title "the man with the golden gun"

[river surge]

Something like that

[quaint star]

can guardian beat goku

[sick yew]

No one knows

Hasnt happened y et

[river surge]

Depends if the Guardian wants to beat Goku

[sick yew]

Depends if YOU want the Guardian to beat Goku

Its non canon powerscaling

[quaint star]

and will never happen

[sick yew]

Whatever you want to be true is

[sick yew]

I am infact John Bungie and will get a dragon ball Destiny collab on the road

[river surge]

Bro is killing the game 🥀

[sick yew]

Jokes aside Jojo collab instead

[river surge]

Jokes aside its so over

beyond over

it is BURNT

At this point make Demon Slayer collab and add the Infinity Castle as a raid

[sick yew]

Ew

[river surge]

and the game explodes in popularity

[river surge]

Bro wants Jojo collab 🥀

[sick yew]

I do

Cause I like jojo

[river surge]

EW

[sick yew]

[slim girder]

Prolly not.
Power can't be over 9000 anymore

We might have gotten there one day though

[sick yew]

Good joke

!feed @slim girder

[dense pike]

feeding retrophoenix 23 units of ether

[sick yew]

Take a snack

[slim girder]

Yummy

[final lantern]

So am I correct in my understanding that Maya killed the real Chioma Esi while sifting all the clones?

[slim girder]

Yes. But ofc Maya still doesn't believe that was her chioma.

[final lantern]

Obv

We’re talking about Maya

[slim girder]

She is looking for someone who doesn't exist anymore but unfortunately with her echo no is not an option which makes her very dangerous and she generally has no regard for other lives.

[analog torrent]

Ik I’m including Risen who found out later in life

[analog torrent]

He is too pvp brained and forgot how to adclear 💔

[sick yew]

One could argue that it was moreso Jarren Ward who achieved greatness with golden gun less so Shin

[ember storm]

actually it was me because both of them are old and one is dead

[slim girder]

Idk Jared was a notable guardian but it was Shin who killed dredgen yor and then earned that title among the shadows of yor and anyone else who knew about those events like drifter.

[sick yew]

Shin is one hell of a draw no doubt

But in specifics to gunslinger aka Golden Gun he just uses the gun, its Jarrens light that continues to shine bright in it to this day

Spoiler rule has been lifted

[slim girder]

Oh boi.

I'm still not saying anything though because I wanna hear @trim grotto s thoughts first on it before speculating and throwing out theories I already have

[sick yew]

I wonder why bungie cut the scene of Us, Ikora and Lodi singing Dreamin' of the Past

It was so sweet

[slim girder]

Like could Lodi as a linguist be the key to solving the dreads language one day?

[sick yew]

Possibly

[slim girder]

Also I find it a lil funny how Lodi says he knows NINE languages

[sick yew]

True

I kinda want the Nine to stick around more in the ingame narrative for the simple reason that I really like how distinct their subtitles are

[jagged badge]

I’ll be playing the campaign with him at the weekend so

[sick yew]

Damn, invite me too

[jagged badge]

Nah we don’t like you

[sick yew]

I will definitely not shoulder charge him off the map at every turn

I would never

[sick yew]

Likewise
Thats why I want to join

[slim girder]

I'm just blown away by what they look like now that we've seen one of them. And I'm curious if the other members share that appearance.
Some biblically accurate angel looking stuff.

[sick yew]

Its funny because I said the same thing when I saw the Worldline too

[slim girder]

I'm cool though right?

[slim girder]

Same. All these designs are definitely looking more like "Cosmic beings" than the regular stuff we see

[sick yew]

Im willing to bet tho that even the form III had was just one of many possible

It was forced to make one

Also ive said this before but for the record
I really want Bungie to make Lodis phone an exotic

idfc how I just want it

[slim girder]

Idk. Everything in this universe has to have some kind of form to keep itself together even beings like them and others like the winnower or even the lord of every nothing
Whether that was just one of the forms or what they actually look though we won't know until we possibly meet another.

[strong tendon]

To me III’s body looks like a black hole that has sucked in a lot of the surrounding environment to form a body. Its body is rock like. And then tentacles idk

Also what happens when one of the nine dies. What happens to the planet they’re linked to? What will happen to earth now that III is gone?

[slim girder]

The nine are linked to planets. But they aren't the planet itself

[strong tendon]

Yes they’re linked so. What happens now. If anything? Just curious if there’s any significance to specifically III (the one linked to earth) being the one to die

[jagged badge]

The Nine were created by the bodies in Sol, not the other way round

[slim girder]

3 is dead. Maya killed them. And as they said this set off a chain reaction that will lead to extinction somehow.

We don't know what that event looks like yet though

All we know rn is to survive we must "bind the nine"

No clue what that actually entails.

[strong tendon]

Binding the nine is such a specific yet vague phrase

Also the “fate saga” will be about the nine yes? Or is it just this year that will focus on them?

[slim girder]

Yes they will be the focus and we will be interacting with them as the story goes forward

Past the year of prophecy

This is a new multi year saga

[strong tendon]

So the saga will end with “binding the nine” I’m guessing

[slim girder]

We can assume that but we have no idea

Things could definitely change which lead to different outcomes

This saga is all about fate.

[strong tendon]

I hope we get to see more instances of the nine meddling with people’s lives

[slim girder]

There probably will be. It's how they operate. Just look at Orin and Lodi.

They think in ways that we can't comprehend so no telling what goes on with them.

[strong tendon]

I mean like “oh yeah remember this thing that happened? That was the nines fault”

Also I love how IX just fanboys over Lodi the whole time lmao

[slim girder]

Well we don't know.
Like we do know the nine "caused" the red legions attack to be successful because a member of the nine knocked out the satellites that would have warned the city.

They probably have their foot in a lot of events big or small

[hard sigil]

all just to make sure Gol wouldn't make it home :(

[ember storm]

They also basically killed Sjur Eido and also restarted the reef war by releasing skolas

[strong tendon]

Also why are V and VI such assholes

[ember storm]

They’ve never really been friends

[slim girder]

Who knows maybe even the witness had contact with them at some point

[ember storm]

The witness knows about Starhorse and eternity as a destination judging by the treasure room it tempts us with in Iconoclasm, so

[slim girder]

There's a fued going on between the nine.
The outer and inner nine

[hard sigil]

a chain of events to lead us to glory, and Orin to becoming the emissary

part of their preparation

[ember storm]

Neither of those are a good thing

They killed countless innocents because they wanted to see what’d happen

[strong tendon]

VII and VIII seem chill tho

[hard sigil]

I'm glad the inner are "on our side" but now that it's 4/4

who knows

[little gorge]

speaking of that

the vote to make lodi emissary was never really resolved

[slim girder]

The nine don't care what's good because they don't really see it like we do. They get what they want and that's all that matters.
Like orin has been left messed up by them and yet the only thing they can say to her is "quitter"

[hard sigil]

hence why he's the Ambassador, for now

[little gorge]

oh i just assumed they were using synonyms

[hard sigil]

they're too specific for that

kinda unrelated but it reminds me of how Orin speaks now. it's reminiscent of Synthesia. having to mix senses and concepts because there's no other way to describe it with language

[jagged badge]

Even now, magnetism is buzzing in his skin, achingly far from Human. (Did the prior two Emissaries feel this way?)

This suggests that yes, he’s an Emissary

[little gorge]

yeah

tfw my legs turn to cadmium

[jagged badge]

Orin has a lore tab called Synesthesia so

[hard sigil]

and the name of the exotic itself. Third Iteration. third version

[hard sigil]

I'm like 70% sure that was literal. Orin also says something about her legs turning into a different element when she went through the process

[slim girder]

Bismuth.

Cooler element imo

[strong tendon]

The nine when voting saying one more vote is required. Obviously that was III and I’m assuming III using Lodi to tell us its message was its vote for him being the new emissary

[slim girder]

We don't actually know why Lodi was picked exactly. And also it looks kinda like ikora might have actually been the target. Or Nella at the time.

She heard the ringing and instead ran

She rejected the invitation and then ended up being hit by a train while trying to escape.

[hard sigil]

Lodi was the choice. they say so

the only one for Eons

[little gorge]

the nine quite literally sent a train to kill her

[hard sigil]

Ikora's "purpose" is to be Commander

just as much as ours is to be the Weapon

[orchid folio]

do we have any dimensions or measurements on the size of III?

[slim girder]

I know. I'm just saying that she heard that phone before Lodi investigated it. What spooked her so much and she even looked at the flower she had on her.

[slim girder]

No

[hard sigil]

no, because they're not 3 dimensional

[orchid folio]

we see a body tho

[hard sigil]

(unless you count III, but it's being dragged into a black hole so that's unreliable)

[slim girder]

We don't know if that's all of it though. And as just mentioned, there's a black hole sucking it in.

It's colossal definitely but no way of knowing exactly how big

[orchid folio]

Absolutely, I was just looking for any speculation on what we saw. I gotta say, i was very impressed with the design they chose, very eldrich, very alien very incomprehensible

[hard sigil]

it's so hard to describe without echoing what they say in the game how... condensing. it must have been for III

like trying to exist in a painting indeed

[slim girder]

"There are aliens and then there are ALIENS"

[strong tendon]

We got eldritch space god and biblically accurate harpy in the same expansion wth

[slim girder]

Things are changing. We're dealing with much more cosmic threats now.

Beings that we might not actually even be able to fight conventionally

[orchid folio]

I loooved the design of the Witness and its final form, most of which was under the surface was a delight - something different from bipedal big lads

but the IX design is a step above, I can't wait to see the rest

[strong tendon]

I mean we been dealing with xivu for a while and she has that exact logic

Cannot be fought conventionally

[hard sigil]

for a different reason

[slim girder]

No but xivu is still a physical being.
These new enemies are ones we might not be able to deal with by just shooting at them, even though that is how we mainly interact with this world in game

[ember storm]

We are physically able to fight Xivu conventionally

It’s just a horrible idea

[hard sigil]

it's hard to fight someone who gets more powerful when they fight, but it's harder to fight something you literally cannot comprehend

[ember storm]

We quite literally can’t fight these guys through conventional means

Where do you aim the Hezen

[slim girder]

These are 4th dimensional beings.

[hard sigil]

how do you punch a thought

[strong tendon]

We’re not fighting the nine though right? We’re helping them?

[slim girder]

It'd be like trying to fight gravity

[hard sigil]

it's. unclear. we don't know what "binding" them means

[slim girder]

No clue. Again all we know is we have to bind them

Whether that means helping or fighting is yet to be seen

[strong tendon]

Maybe we have to fight some in order to bind them, the more stubborn ones like V and VI maybe?

[hard sigil]

but even still, all this is part of their planning. they know what it means. and for them, it's already happened

stupid nine and their stupid omnipresence

[slim girder]

We don't have any way of "fighting" them either.
So far only mayas echo has been shown to be able to affect them.

[strong tendon]

Eramis’ echo

[hard sigil]

and that's just because she has a tool that's fundamentally rule breaking

[slim girder]

Not in sol anymore

[hard sigil]

the Echo of Riis just had control over Ether, anyway

[strong tendon]

Also what are the chances we find other echoes in the course of this saga. There was definitely more than 3

[hard sigil]

unlikely

[strong tendon]

Why’s that

[hard sigil]

I just doubt they'd fall back onto it so fast

and we're done with the light and dark for now

[somber pendant]

whats the lore explanation for replaying missions

simulation?

[hard sigil]

afaik there isn't one

[somber pendant]

😛

[hard sigil]

no harm in believing that they're simulations though

[somber pendant]

yeah thats my headcanon lol

[strong tendon]

Not like immediately but further into the saga you know like a threat finds one and tries to use it to do some evil shenanigans with the nine

[somber pendant]

what about for why our guardian is the main guardian

[hard sigil]

we're highly adaptable

we're not the strongest by any means but we've proven to be VERY reliable first responders

[strong tendon]

Plot armour

[jagged badge]

How do you mean?

[strong tendon]

I think they mean why is our guardian the one that deals with all the big threats

[jagged badge]

Because we’re reliable and experienced

[somber pendant]

thats cool

i mean yeah that pretty much answers my question lol thank u 💯🔥

[jagged badge]

No problem

To elaborate a little more, we’re connected with a lot of important characters and have forged relationships with them as well, which also helps. Like how we help Eris in Shadowkeep (after also being the one who helped her get revenge on Crota) so now she considers us a close friend particularly. Whereas other random Guardians might not really know people like that and also still be learning just one subclass

[orchid folio]

we have to go to mount Doom

[jagged badge]

We are prodigal in a sense, that we have learned multiple subclasses well enough and have the intelligence and strength to deal with threats

[hard sigil]

a true jack of all trades

[ember storm]

We’re just the Gordon freeman

[orchid folio]

been thinking, if our Sol system has the 9 to rep its celestial bodies. then other star systems would have their own version of the 9 or what ever number of celestial bodies they have?

[slow berry]

We don't really know what exactly made the Nine

I don't assume dark matter in a celestial body magically forms life

Not to mention only those with life would have a consciousness

[strong tendon]

Wasn’t there that whole thing with 9 awoken being missing when the awoken were first born?

[orchid folio]

I dont think they are linked to the awoken - they say they had been around long before the traveler

but then again, they are extra dimensional, so time might be a bit funky with them as well

[strong tendon]

Best new lore of the expansion is the fact ghosts have a community theatre group and made a play called “oryx the nightmare daddy”

[little gorge]

does he know?

[strong tendon]

Do I know what 👁️ 👄 👁️

[little gorge]

that is referencing a piece of lore from years ago

[strong tendon]

I know the nightmare daddy thing is

Is the ghost theatre group?

[jagged badge]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ghost-community-theater-presents

[sick yew]

"Still I die afraid at your sisters command" - III

What did it mean by this

It said that to Maya I believe

[jagged badge]

That was III speaking to us through Lodi about Maya

It calls us “children of my Earth”, so I assume the “sister” thing is because it sees all of us is its children and thus each others siblings spiritually yk?

[sick yew]

Aaaah I get it

All children of Earth are 'siblings' making Maya our 'sister'

@jagged badge also you got any clue what our Guardian actually does there?

Like did we just pop a healing nade for Lodi

[jagged badge]

Yeah basically

[sick yew]

That is hilarious somehow

Also its insane how much happier he looks in the ingame cutscene vs pre rendered

Something about the difference in face texture idk

[river surge]

The Alchemist was mentioned in the lore book from the raid

The Alchemist is named as a future expansion in the fate saga basically the last

[slow berry]

There was a lore tab with nine red herrings or rumours for what the nine were, but we know what they are now

[sick yew]

Did anyone else notice that the broken down jumpship from that one Lodi sidequest bears the last city mark?

[strong tendon]

Which is?

[slow berry]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-legends-2#the-nine

it was grimoire but y'know

same difference

[strong tendon]

So. Which of them is it

[sick yew]

IF anything the last one

But even that is questionable

Remember this is like D1 lore

[dim minnow]

none of them

however, the entities listed in this entry do all exist and have some relation to the Nine

[sick yew]

The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is.

Cant you bridge this to the garden game?

[ember storm]

I have not bought the dlc

[sick yew]

Which they most likely had to have at least some connection to considering their paracausal nature

[dim minnow]

I personally think it could be referring to the Echos

Nine aren't paracausal

[sick yew]

I thought they were

[dim minnow]

it's explicitly stated they are not in game

[sick yew]

Would be wild if they had the idea of the Echos as early as D1

[sick yew]

[dim minnow]

I don't recall where, might have been in a lore tab

[strong tendon]

They are made of dark matter. Which despite the name has nothing to do with darkness right?

[dim minnow]

correct

[sick yew]

Yup

[strong tendon]

I wonder if we will get any more dark matter abilities in future expansions

The three we got were pretty cool

I like matterspark more than sparrows. Which we could use it off of Kepler

[slow berry]

it's this https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-declaration#book-dust

[strong tendon]

That still doesn’t clear it up for me outside of what we already know

That they’re dark matter beings linked to the orbits of each planet + the sun

[sick yew]

There aint that much more that we know of anyway lol

[strong tendon]

But. Why do they exist is my question.

[sick yew]

I think they just naturally came to be

Itd be like asking where the Gardener and Winnower came from

[slow berry]

why does anything exist

why do we exist

etc. etc.

[sick yew]

Cause the Gardener was a sore loser and had a massive crashout

[slow berry]

no i mean

you and i

humans in the realer world

[sick yew]

We exist because humans evolved because the earth became habitable because the solar system exists because because because the Gardener was a sore loser and had a massive crashout

One thing leads to another

Keep climbing up the chain and thats where you end up if you trust in Unveiling (debatable)

[strong tendon]

But if they just exist just because. Then that sets the precedent that EVERY planet in the universe has a sentience attached to it

[sick yew]

Not really

By that logic every planet in the universe would have humans

[strong tendon]

And if they all control fate the way the nine do. Is free will really a thing?

[sick yew]

oooo we going very fundamental today

[strong tendon]

Humans need optimal conditions to exist, these dark matter beings wouldn’t

[sick yew]

Whos to say the Nine dont need ideal conditions

We simply dont know what those are

[strong tendon]

What would the optimal conditions be that exist in our solar system that aren’t in others

[sick yew]

[strong tendon]

Other than. Human life.

[sick yew]

We simply dont know (yet)

[strong tendon]

Also random question but do we know WHICH of the nine let ghaul in undetected

[sick yew]

We have free will for sure since we're paracausal

We are a big middle finger to basically every fundamental law of the universe

[strong tendon]

That has been shown to be slightly untrue in this expansion no?

[sick yew]

Its likely that the Nine with their inherently different perspective on time are simply better at 'diverting the river of time' so to speak

They can nudge things in a way that makes certain outcomes more or less likely

Like killing Ikora in the place she did

[strong tendon]

“Who put this train on the highway”

[sick yew]

They likely couldnt have been 100% certain that everything would play out the way they did
But it was one important step

[sick yew]

[strong tendon]

Well they see time as a flat surface right?

They see everything that has played out and will play out

[sick yew]

Essentially

[strong tendon]

So they must know by killing Nella Davis, it would lead to the events of edge of fate

[ember storm]

Why did the traveler happen upon us as the people to make guardians with

[sick yew]

Killing Nella in that specific place at that specific time is likely an important piece to get the timeline into the direction of this outcome

[sick yew]

Oh I know this one
She got a call from Bungie telling her to come to Sol

They were making this cool game what was the name

Density 1?

Something like that

[strong tendon]

Do you think letting ghaul in was essential to this plan or just one of the outer nine being an ass?

[sick yew]

Certainly

I doubt the Nine do anything 'for fun'

[ember storm]

They punished it for it, so

[strong tendon]

Not for fun. Don’t the outer nine like. Want us to die

[ember storm]

It was a completely spur of the moment decision

[sick yew]

Maybe there was a different way the desired outcome could be achieved but the homie just said nah lets let Ghaul scoot over there

[strong tendon]

I wonder which one it was

[ember storm]

If Ghaul got his way he’d have taken the traveler back to torobotl and used the almighty to wipe out the system

[dim minnow]

they did it in hopes of learning how to claim the Light

[strong tendon]

Probably V or VI. They seem overly aggressive

[sick yew]

arent there two a's in there

Torabatl?

[ember storm]

No

[slow berry]

It's Torobatl

[sick yew]

[dim minnow]

they need us to live

[sick yew]

Bitch why do they pronounce it like that then

Is Caiatl stupid

[slow berry]

it's a dialect

smh

[ember storm]

They pronounce it torobottle

[sick yew]

Learn english smh

[slow berry]

she's from upstate new yorkobatl

[strong tendon]

Where do we think renegades will take place? Any ideas?

[sick yew]

Earth prob

Maybe Mars

[strong tendon]

I’m thinking the main enemies will be scorn and the psion enclave

[sick yew]

Unlikely pre Vex Mercury

Those are the only 3 options we got

One less likely than the other

[strong tendon]

Skolas is still out there. Let him be like a scorn mafia boss

[sick yew]

Could be Cabal too

Or at least I expect some involvement from them

[strong tendon]

I think yirix maybe

So dread/shadow legion

[sick yew]

Guess we'll see

[ember storm]

What was that Riis boogeyman that they talked about in splicer

Make that a secret disciple

Boom new pyramid raid

We need more of those

[dim minnow]

what if one of the Nine brings a Cabal from the past?

[sick yew]

Let it be the guy who previously owned WInterbite

[ember storm]

true

Oh dova did you see my wonderful creation

[dim minnow]

no

[sick yew]

Still kinda mad we never got virtually any hint of who that was

[strong tendon]

Renegades main villains are skolas and yirix is my prediction

[sick yew]

Crashes into the Exodus ship
Tanks high caliber round like it was nothing
Disappeares and leaves bigass glaive behind
*Is never seen or heard from again

[ember storm]

Who’s yirix

[sick yew]

Psion

Worked for Calus then the Witness

From that one exotic mission I forgot the name

Risen season

[ember storm]

Hurh

Were they the one mentioned as the dread leader in encore

[sick yew]

iirc

[strong tendon]

Yes

It seems like yirix has acquired dread followers after the witness’ defeat

[ember storm]

The day we get a voice acted psion is the day I die

[strong tendon]

Yirix be the first. Give em a texan accent

Let’s goooo

And a lil cowboy hat

Skolas: this town ain’t big enough for the two of us

Yirix: Damn right.

[sick yew]

Id be funny if Shin returns for Renegades

Its unlikely they seem to be very much done with him and have been since like the Forsaken days

But I wouldnt mind it

[slow berry]

isn't it supposed to be nezarec

[strong tendon]

If renegades follows a similar plot to Star Wars we’re gonna be helping a rebel alliance against a galactic empire they builds a planet destroying weapon.

[sick yew]

I doubt theyll lean that much into the starwars thing

Considering what theyve initially said theyre morso using the general contept as the groundwork for their own story

And also if Han Solo randomly walks in during the mid-story plot twist I am blowing up both Bungie HQ and Disney

[strong tendon]

Idk I think a story where the psions try to rebuild the almighty to destroy mars would be kinda lit

[sick yew]

Why would they rebuild the almighty (crashed on earth) to destroy Mars

If anything they'd wanna snipe the Traveler out of the sky or some shit

[strong tendon]

Well alright maybe not just mars. Maybe the whole solar system

[sick yew]

For that the Almighty would have to go back to the Sun and eat another shit ton of space rock for fuel

Again, the Almighty crashed basically in spitting distance from the Last City

If they get that thing airborne again the Vanguard is officially useless and should be executed on the spot

[strong tendon]

What if it fed on the dark matter of mars itself

Idk I’m just spitballing here obviously we have no idea how renegades will go

[ember storm]

What were the nine going to do if Ghaul won the red war and used the almighty like he planned

[jagged badge]

Throw their hands in the air and go “welp”

[strong tendon]

The other eight would scorn at the one that let him in for eternity

[slow berry]

"ah fuck ggs"

[hazy veldt]

What was the name of lore entry where winnower said imagine world without me

Books of sorrow but which one

[slim girder]

Renegades will just be using the space western vibes and aesthetic that star wars is known for but through the destiny lens. It'll still be an original destiny story.

As for rebuilding the almighty that wouldn't go unnoticed for a ship that massive and they definitely don't have the man power for it.

[hazy veldt]

im pretty sure local eliksni took care of the almighty

[frigid sparrow]

Renegades is gonna be about Maya recruiting the new Dredgen to repair Koregos and turn it into a death star

[frigid sparrow]

damn I need to remind myself to read some exotic lore tabs again because I forgot how metal Mask of Bakris' is

[frozen pawn]

is III Earth ?

[hard sigil]

it's the member created by Earth's gravity well

the nine are not the planets (and star) they personify

[frigid sparrow]

yeah, they go in order 1-8 and 9 is the sun

[frozen pawn]

what is gravity well...?

[hard sigil]

the gravitational field the planet creates

[frozen pawn]

how a gravity well create a 4th dimension creature O_O

anything mentioned it yet ?

[hard sigil]

the dark matter uses the gravity to loop

we don't know how exactly it all works but by looping, it allows it to 'live', and sentient life allows them to think

[frozen pawn]

[hard sigil]

anyway to better explain, imagine spacetime as a fabric stretched over the universe, anything with mass is placed on the fabric, weighing it down, and forming a "well" that can capture lighter objects.

[frozen pawn]

damn

thank you

[hard sigil]

without friction, sometimes a thing can hit the right angle, and go around an object forever, that's how orbits work

[frozen pawn]

[hollow drum]

what the fuck is koregos like in general besides being a harpy

[slim girder]

Not sure yet. But judging fromthe name they are def a vex mind with quite a huge amount of control. Like this is VoG levels of power

[hard sigil]

The World Line is a threatening title to be sure

[hollow drum]

my friend told me that it was a "seraphim" rank vex that could alter timelines

like the second part i dont doubt fuckin look at the thing

but ????????

[hard sigil]

yeah that's not official

[slim girder]

Still yet to see the lore for this raids

[hollow drum]

makes me think about the vex being a hivemind and if it is so then is there one entity at the center like a queen bee that controls them or do they all move to the same rhythm and theres just bigger vex to manage different things

i mean queen bee might not be the best example cause bees can just kill herif they dont like her afaik

[hard sigil]

we can speculate based on the name. the Choregos was a class of Athenians who were responsible for financing and preparing production that weren't funded by the government

[slim girder]

Vex are no hivemind, They move as a unit and frames are built depending on task

[hard sigil]

for the Nessian Schism, that Queen Bee is Maya

but usually they've got a decentralised power system

[slim girder]

Choral vex are the only vex that behave like that

[hard sigil]

also the name can be broken down as Chorus-Leader.

[slim girder]

Or conductor

[hard sigil]

and the Conductor considers her vex the Chorus

it's likely to be a Vex Mind that she's taken control of, or one that she's actually made herself

[hollow drum]

by vog levels of power do we know that it can do at least similar things as atheon or

a vague idea of what it does

[hard sigil]

Service as a choregos, though an honor, was a duty for wealthy citizens and was part of the liturgical system designed to improve the city-state's economic stability through the use of private wealth to fund public good. Choregoi paid for costumes, rehearsals, expenses of the chorus (including training, salaries, board and lodging), scenery, props (including elaborate masks), special effects and most of the musicians.
it's essentially Athens using the rich to fund the arts. like a cool tax

[hollow drum]

are most vex bosses actually named after something

i thought a lot of it was just like fantasy naming conventions and sounding cool

[slim girder]

Sorta

[hard sigil]

they follow a Greek-ish theme

or terms from science

things like Argos and Panoptes (both named for the same Many-eyed giant from the Odyssey)

some names are original though

like Belmon and Quira

[ashen parcel]

SHould I continue?

[upbeat bolt]

what is the moirai lore referring to? lodis past life?

[slim girder]

Most likely

[upbeat bolt]

the only part that confuses me is the last 2 lines

its literally just “Ben”

[slim girder]

Ben his brother was probably a huge part of his life.

More than others

[frozen pawn]

btw I wonder

Why Lodi seems to have more freedom than the emissary (Orin)?

Is it because he still new ?

[dim minnow]

I feel it's also kinda because the vote wasn't really finalized

[frozen pawn]

hmmm

[dim minnow]

maybe it was after III was briefly revived

perhaps the IX wanted to give him some more autonomy to se how it would work out

[frozen pawn]

IX really like the boy

while Orin called quitter

[hard sigil]

yeah Lodi technically isn't the emissary yet

[river surge]

A high unit Vex that was used to digitize the singularity

We dont know yet if its stronger than the VoG ones

But based on what it could do it might actually be the same level or even stronger

[orchid folio]

IX is really weird towards Lodi

[frozen pawn]

He called Orin Quitter while Lodi was "beautiful boy."
Since they know all past, present & future, he must have known Lodi would quit/die at some point.

Yet still, "beautiful boy."

To get a member of the nine impressed in you that much must be a great feat xD

[river surge]

Lodi is Lodi

best guy

ever

[orchid folio]

Never seen a character this beloved in a really long time

I say that as a Savathun stan

[frozen pawn]

yeah agree

Lodi is a very good character

[tame harness]

guys

I dont know anything

[trim grotto]

Well, I can't help with the new expansion content, but I can probably answer anything about older content.

[tame harness]

Literally anything, I know everything about most fandoms I like but I joined destiny so late im so ignorant on everything

[trim grotto]

Well, do you have any specific questions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om28A9hTST0
Otherwise this might be a good start - it's Witch Queen era so it's a few years old, but covers a baseline.

[tame harness]

UHH for specifics

[hard sigil]

this should take you up to Final Shape:
https://youtu.be/zzBmOeYmN_M
and this should take you up to Edge of Fate:
https://youtu.be/0MArhdUNa54
(just be warned it's 11 hours of video)

[trim grotto]

Mine is 5 minutes for comparison haha

[tame harness]

Why are there cabal or shadow legion guys we are friends with but there's others that we aren't??

[hard sigil]

but it's also 4 years old

[tame harness]

Its fine it dont matter i appreciate you both

[hard sigil]

the cabal we're allies with are under Caiatls command, the empress. the shadow legion is a mass clone army created by the former emperor turned disciple of the witness Calus, and the Red Legion Cabal are traitors to Caiatl or rogue groups who split off

[tame harness]

The witness Calus? I thought the witness was just one person

Or thing

[hard sigil]

oh wait there's a comma there

disciple of the witness, Calus

[tame harness]

Ohhh Calus is a disciple i get it

[trim grotto]

The short version is that... the Cabal, as a warlike culture, tried to kill us with their various Legions. The Red Legion even stole the Traveler for a bit. But when the Hive (Specifically their god of war, Xivu Arath) destroyed their home planet, Caiatl, daughter of an old exiled ruler, became Empress, and she made peace with us in a very delicate manner so as not to cause her people to revolt.
Thus, the Cabal Ascendency - the blue ones who are our friends.

The Shadow Legion work(ed) for the Witness, as a mixture of clones, brainwashed soldiers, and assholes. They were lead by Calus, the aforementioned old exiled ruler and Caiatl's father, who became obsessed with the end of the universe and thus started working for the Witness.

Then there are the randoms, like the remnants of the Red Legion, who just do whatever at this point.

[hard sigil]

the witness is technically a conglomeration of a few billion individuals but that's a digression

[tame harness]

THEY KIDNAPPED A PLANET?

THEY PLANETNAPPED?

WAIT

[hard sigil]

they caged it

[tame harness]

IS IT A PLANET EVEN OR IS IT LIKE EGO OR MOGO

[hard sigil]

the traveller is not a planet. it's closer to asteroid size if anything

[trim grotto]

The Traveler? It's a being. A... sentient entity. Also not that big.

[tame harness]

Oh it looks big on the map

[trim grotto]

True. But it used to float above the Last City.

[hard sigil]

here is the caged traveller over the City

[tame harness]

OH I SAW THAT CUTSCENE

Thats like

[trim grotto]

Some examples

[tame harness]

Pluto or smth

Woah

[hard sigil]

much much smaller

[jagged badge]

Pluto wouldn’t fit in a city within Earth’s orbit

[tame harness]

This is wild

Ok ok ok my bad

[hard sigil]

I wish it'd come back down :(

[tame harness]

Pluto is much bigger i underestimated