📚lore-discussion

[somber pendant]

ya ya

[trim grotto]

Maya, too, wielded the Echo of Command, and used it to command the Vex and Saint

[somber pendant]

ya

[sick yew]

So after the Echo ends up escaping we chase it throughout the Dreadnaught to prevent it from falling into Xivus or Savathuns hands, we end up battling forces of both heavily until the Echo of Oryx basically asks us to kill it realizing that apart from only being an memory of someone else the universe and the people in it that it thought it knew have all changed too much to be recognizable and no matter what it would always be hunteted by someone for it's power
So it accepts us to be its killer
Savathun gets suuuuper mad at us for this so she's gone from the sami-ally board back to properly against us
Eris and Drifter are a thing now (finally)
And uuuh Chess also happened

[somber pendant]

so wdym by the forms of the witness's past

[sick yew]

Alright this should be the most crucial stuff mostly

[hard sigil]

they're memories. the Witness destroyed Riis, the Qugu, and gave Oryx the power to take

[trim grotto]

The Witness destroyed Riis. An Echo took on a memory of Riis. The Witness knew Oryx. It took on a form of Oryx. So on.

Memory

[hard sigil]

Memory given form and power by the Light

[trim grotto]

Memory of Dark given form by Light. Just like the Pale Heart itself.

The Pale Heart is a land formed of memory given form. The Echoes are, in many ways, the same.

[somber pendant]

what form did the echo take for maya like how did she control it

[hard sigil]

the Mantle around her neck is the echo

[somber pendant]

ah ok

[trim grotto]

It crashed into Nessus, remember? It interacted with the network, and that network data version of Maya claimed it.

Made herself an Exo body.

[somber pendant]

coming back to me i think

oh yes i remember going to nessus to investigate it

[somber pendant]

so the echo took the form of what fikrul used as his staff?

[hard sigil]

the Maya that claimed it was the Real Maya too. there are a bunch of copies of her in the vexnet from her Ishtar experiments, but after the collapse and landing on Neptune, Maya experimented with the veil, and this ended with her separating her consciousness from her body and going into the vexnet

[trim grotto]

The glowy bit on top.

[somber pendant]

got it

[hard sigil]

and this is the echo of navigation

[somber pendant]

btw who is lakshmi i know shes related to maya but as far as i remember i never met her

i do hear about her a lot though

[trim grotto]

Did you do Season of the Splicer?

[somber pendant]

literally only the first mission

[hard sigil]

Lakshmi was an exo on the Exodus Indigo with Maya, but she was wiped brain-dead with the experiments with the Veil, so Maya used her body to "clone" herself, reset it's memory and sent it to earth with a cloud strider patrol

[trim grotto]

Lakshmi-2 was the leader of the Future War Cult, one of the factions of the Consensus that led the Last City.

[somber pendant]

so she wasnt a guardian then right

[trim grotto]

Season of the Splicer was when we first met the House of Light, and through trauma and Savathun's machinations, Lakshmi tried to kill the House of Light and died for it.

[hard sigil]

nope

[trim grotto]

She was just an Exo

[dim minnow]

Bungie just casually drops this major lore reveal and we know practically nothing else about it

[hard sigil]

I mean its just one more copy of maya

and she's dead anyway

[somber pendant]

wait how long have we the guardian known miisrax

[hard sigil]

if anything it's a convenient excuse to use her model for the Conductor

[trim grotto]

Since... D2 vanilla, technically. We met him during the Red War on Titan.

[somber pendant]

oh ok i thought it was longer than splicer lol

[hard sigil]

that is longer than splicer

[somber pendant]

yup

did we know maya before echoes

[hard sigil]

we knew of her

[trim grotto]

We knew of her since D1, but she lived in the Golden Age.

She lived and died long before we were resurrected

[hard sigil]

she's a very important golden age character

[somber pendant]

got it

do we know who is the overall leader of the vex

im p sure no

[hard sigil]

nope

[trim grotto]

They don't have one.

[somber pendant]

wb creator or anything

[trim grotto]

They evolved.

[hard sigil]

they're organic

[somber pendant]

yo what i gotta rewatch the faction explanation video

[trim grotto]

The Vex are, in truth, microscopic radiolaria contained within the "vex milk". The chassis are simply that. They're like mechs.

[hard sigil]

all vex are just parts of a machine. it's a hive mind that utilises slaving systems. the Computer (metaphorical) recognises an issue, gives the local units the necessary information and "commands" to resolve it (Which are what Vex Minds are)

[trim grotto]

So next time you walk through a lake of Radiolaria on Nessus, you're actually wading through Vex.

[somber pendant]

the vex milk is the living part? like bacteria?

[hard sigil]

mhm

[somber pendant]

thats so freaky yo

[hard sigil]

they're microscopic engineers

[dim minnow]

the Vex themselves are patterns held within the radiolaria

[trim grotto]

*not actually hive minded but similar

[somber pendant]

howd i not know this tbh

[hard sigil]

like computer bits

[somber pendant]

i think my assumption was that they were powered by the white stuff and then all connected through a network being given directives and such by someone the vanguard doesnt know

this is way cooler tho

[hard sigil]

every time Maya uses the echo of command, she's controlling billions of organisms

[hard sigil]

(if not trillions)

[somber pendant]

"how many vex does it take to pilot a goblin"

[hard sigil]

about 3 gallons

not a real number but it's a good punchline

[somber pendant]

beautiful

lets see...

whats caitail doing rn

and lord salad in

[hard sigil]

dealing with leftover shadow legion on Neptune I would imagine

[trim grotto]

Living and commanding the Cabal Ascendency. They're just living, really.

[somber pendant]

thats nice

how do vex simulations work

[trim grotto]

Very very very good predictions

[somber pendant]

i get that part i think but like

our saint is from one right

[trim grotto]

No.

[somber pendant]

oop

[hard sigil]

that's because of the Sundial. Saint is from an alternate timeline

[somber pendant]

oh ok

it was time travel not vex thats right

[trim grotto]

Our Saint-14 was pulled from a neighbouring, nearly identical timeline due to the Sundial, a device of paracausal power built by Osiris.

[hard sigil]

the vex do have time travel, just in a different way

[somber pendant]

ok but anyway my main question was

how do we physically interact with vex simulations

[hard sigil]

like entering the Vexnet and such?

[somber pendant]

yes i think

[hard sigil]

Savathûn (under the guise of Osiris) compares it to the Ascendant Plane

we use Splicing to take control of the network to make it into something we can understand

[somber pendant]

oh thats awesome

[trim grotto]

This isn't always the case, however. Some of the simulations do simply have a level of physical form, but they can't exist outside of their engines, such as with the Infinite Forest.

[hard sigil]

it's very enigmatic but it's like they convert space-time into pure data

[somber pendant]

so like the splicer thing makes sense but how does the infinite forest thing work then

studying destiny 2 lore > studying biology

[hard sigil]

and getting into the network is "uncompressing" it into something closer to its original form

[trim grotto]

I couldn't say in detail. But we actually use a form of this tech in the Last City. Some of our Crucible maps are simulations now.

I expect it's a similar line of tech to Engrams. Actual items that have been compressed into data.

[hard sigil]

it's like the holodeck from star trek

[trim grotto]

Which is itself akin to Glimmer

[somber pendant]

🤩

[hard sigil]

in a way

[somber pendant]

thats awesome yo

[hard sigil]

it requires an engine to house it

very very complex vr

[somber pendant]

hey how come a sidearm and a spaceship have the same size engram

oh like sd cards i guess

[hard sigil]

because if they were relative it would be very hard to find weapon engrams

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-core-terminus-mars-2

[somber pendant]

cool!

[queen swallow]

Because engrams are physically encrypted matter. The same way two different physical books can be put onto a usb stick essentially.

[sick yew]

You wouldnt download a sparrow!!

[somber pendant]

alright i gotta sleep now but thanks guys 😁

super appreciative and appreciative of yall being patient with me ❤️🌹

[queen swallow]

I would. Because I'm evil. 😈

[sick yew]

[river creek]

Is strand spacetime?

[slim girder]

No.

[river creek]

what is it

[slim girder]

It's a bit like the matrix. It flows through and connects all minds and beings.
Like the ascendant plane it's subject to the influence of paracausal beings

They can pull things out, re weave them into new things

[hard sigil]

it's the threads of the net of consciousness

[river creek]

That sounds like some 90's bs

I wonder why

[hard sigil]

it's a very similar concept to the Weave from dnd

[slim girder]

Again. Very matrix inspired with the whole secret web overlapping the world.

[hard sigil]

you have strings that connect your consciousness and thoughts to the world, and every other being around you

like a psychic internet

[river creek]

So how does that affect literally anything?

Like

Does your will determine ur destiny or some weird shit?

[hard sigil]

no

it's not a string of fate

[river creek]

oh

[hard sigil]

but your will affects the others around you

[river creek]

how so?

[hard sigil]

this is getting into my personal theories on strand

[river creek]

alright

[hard sigil]

but every "intent" or will pulls on that string, and that pull tugs on everyone who will be effected

[slim girder]

Your will determines how you'll be able to manipulate strand.
Strand doesn't effect destiny or anything. It's just a neutral force of the universe

[hard sigil]

it's been implied that the hive can see strand innately

[river creek]

Oh yeah

[hard sigil]

but for most other species it's invisible

unless you're trained to see it, you most likely won't

[river creek]

Do hive just eat a giant fucking worm or is it a ritual like in the parasite quest?

genuine question

[slim girder]

The "consumption" isn't known.

[river creek]

oh

prob like in the parasite quest then

[hard sigil]

to expand on this, it's how I think Severing works. if you cut off someone's connection to the web, then their intent doesn't pull as hard, and they do less damage

[river creek]

oh

alr

[hard sigil]

the other verbs are more self explanatory I guess

[sick yew]

No its green

[river creek]

🤣

[hard sigil]

closest thing we have to spacetime is void I guess

[river creek]

How?

[sick yew]

Debatable

[hard sigil]

it's gravity

[sick yew]

Isnt it moreso the absence of shit

[hard sigil]

not necessarily

its just that creating singularities leads to the absence of shit

[river creek]

this shit just looks like a 3rd form of the light

[hard sigil]

the three light elements are all ways of manipulating the laws of physics. radiation, electric currents and gravity

[river creek]

the act of creating something from nothing

[sick yew]

Elements in Destiny are funny
You got Fire, Electricity, void, Ice and the fundamental fabric of reality
(This is a joke)

[river creek]

The "void"

[river creek]

It's almost like it was supposed to be poison

[slim girder]

As they say "flow like the river"

[hard sigil]

an absence of anything doesn't make sense in the context of a lot of abilities. what does a smoke bomb have to do with that

[river creek]

NEVER SPEAK AGAIN

[slim girder]

Don't start that dumb theory

[hard sigil]

at least in my eyes, gravity makes more sense

[river creek]

tf does a tripmine grenade have to do with solar light

[hard sigil]

overshields are just repulsion. slowing or stopping projectiles with gravity. all the singularity stuff makes sense, it's easy to "weaken" someone if there being weighed down

[sick yew]

Strand has nothing to do with poison what

[river creek]

or a knife

[hard sigil]

explosion

[sick yew]

And also its way cooler than poison

[hard sigil]

hot knife

[river creek]

dawg

[hard sigil]

solar is the easiest to weaponise

[river creek]

stasis is the reduction of entropy

theres a difference btween hot thing and solar light

[hard sigil]

correct

because solar is manipulation of radiation

[sick yew]

Our guardian seems to be kinda shit at it tho
Otherwise the cores in DSC and Vesper would be harmless

[river creek]

How???

[sick yew]

Aka funky crystals

[river creek]

I'm not asking "Does the lore say that"

I'm asking how

[sick yew]

Cause we are basically magicians

[hard sigil]

it's fusion energy

which causes radiation

[sick yew]

its much easier to think of the light and dark powers as just straight up magic

[hard sigil]

it's called solar for a reason. it's the same mechanism

[river creek]

Do we manipulate radiation or do we make it with nuclear fusion?

[hard sigil]

most likely through the fusion

[river creek]

so we make it?

[hard sigil]

sure

technically I guess void could make hawking radiation

[fresh zephyr]

about sunless cell strike and oryx, there was some dialogue at the end when the boss is being transformed by taken blight

oryx says something "this is not my taking. knife of my slaying, to arms"

what does he mean by that, he did take the knight right. was it xivu who did the taking or was it future oryx and echo oryx doesnt know about that?

[hard sigil]

he did not

the Dire Taken aren't anyone that we know

it's said that the taken, without a will for so long, ended up creating their own god

The Lord Of Every Nothing

[fresh zephyr]

oh dire taken is new to me, thanks. another question is whats the timeline for alak hul. is the reprised sunless cell a retcon for d1 sunless cell?

guardians kill darkblade, but traveler gives light to the hive. then a ghost rezzes him and he becomes lightblade and guardians kill him again. but he's now imprisoned on oryx's ship. this is confusing lol.

[hard sigil]

it isn't alak hul

it's Obak-Hul

also a darkblade, just not the same one

[slim girder]

Alak hul wasn't killed. His ghost got away at the end of that strike.

Xivu would never employ a lightbearer hive.

[silk nova]

whats this mad thing im hearing about JFK

[slim girder]

Nine had some influence on the event

[silk nova]

thats

interesting

JFK should be a guardian fr

[honest thunder]

maybe he is. he wouldnt remember being president

[hard sigil]

the jungles of Old Dallas....

[slim girder]

John F guardian

The F stands for fury

[river surge]

Johnny Papuc

[little gorge]

you know people keep talking about the jfk thing but nobody mentions that the lore talks about moscow

implying the ussr had gravity weapons

[river surge]

Nobody talks about how the history in Destiny universe was altered than ours

[slim girder]

Advancement back then was extremely different to our own. Instead of bullets we started experimenting with plasma weaponry which is where things like fusion rifles come from.

Graviton lance was creating miniature black holes which IRL would possibly be the end of the solar system if it was fired even once

[knotty musk]

what stuff would be good examples of how warmind stuff is designed? like HoN, ikelos, or the architecture or armor, what would I have to gather together for all the aspects that make it up

or is media a better place to ask

[slim girder]

Could you elaborate more?

[slow berry]

Sleeper Simulant is literally the cannon inside Warsats

There's Pocket Infinity in D1

The seraph weapons and armor as well

Which are different from the IKELOS weapons which were specifically designed for the guardians

[knotty musk]

if I want to create something according to the design of the warmind Stuff, what should I look at? that help?

[slow berry]

iirc?

[sick yew]

if i remember correctly

Oh wait

[slow berry]

I supposed it'd be IKELOS/Dvalin forge weapons if its in the modern day or Seraph gear if its golden age

[sick yew]

Sorry lmfao I thought you were asking what it means

[slow berry]

lmao i thought you were gonna drop some lore

[knotty musk]

and hierarchy of needs, soteria, would that be modern or golden age

or is soteria herself a product of golden age but slapped inside the modern age bow

[slow berry]

Golden Age, given that the lore explains that the bow was just there (and seems to be a Seraph weapon) and Soteria just escaped into it

[knotty musk]

I see I see

[slow berry]

Given the rest of the weapons are Seraph, that makes sense

[knotty musk]

that splinter of soteria that was sent to neptune and became the occlusion, what else happened there? did they use occlusion at all or what did it do or whathaveyou

[fresh zephyr]

What is Skolas currently doing

is he on Kepler

[hard sigil]

it became a part of the cloudark iirc

the quest it's related to implies it's a "baby" vex mind but we know that's not how vex work

the fragment was just copying a vex signal

[ember storm]

everything that looks like rasputin is stuff he basically designed himself because it looks like him

everything else is braytech or other golden age groups like the seraphs

[slim girder]

Skulking around the tomb of elders.

He's a scorn so has no memory of who he was and is essentially this husk of a fanatical kell.

[ember storm]

but at the same time there's room to grow

Fikrul had a team of knights who were capable of speech and self reflection

who ended up being the WR bosses

[slim girder]

Only thing that seems to get his attention is the call of the challenge of the elders.

[ember storm]

if Skolas is left to his own devices, especially considering he's a revenant scorn reborn in light

he has all the opportunity to actually make a comeback

[hard sigil]

he's still very cunning

[fresh zephyr]

I pray

I hope I pray

[ember storm]

the fact he resurrects himself at the end, laughs, and then chooses to retreat

[fresh zephyr]

my GOAT

[hard sigil]

a wolf through and through

[ember storm]

Fikrul dubbed himself the "Lifegiver" and boasted about how the echo used light to resurrect

[fresh zephyr]

Maybe Skolas will be in the Plaguelands trying to open the Replication chamber with a monkey wrench to acquire SIVA

[ember storm]

revenant scorn are supposed to be more advanced than standard ones

[slim girder]

I know people would probably be very unhappy but I'm fine with him just remaining as this "boogeyman of the prison" all he knows is from his time in the prison.

[ember storm]

i highly doubt they're just leaving Skolash to be an empty shell

[hard sigil]

he wouldn't know what it is

[ember storm]

he literally leaves at the end of the activity

bungie is not going to just give up on scorn being a faction forever

they literally made entirely new models and a combat mechanic for them

he's going to come back

[hard sigil]

yeah as of now he's kinda their de facto leader

[fresh zephyr]

So wait, in theory someone like Aksis could return through Scorn? Or Vosik, Kovik etc

[slim girder]

Not from the actual prison. Also they kinda have to. Fikrul, the witness and even riven are dead so there are no more ways of summoning and creating scorn anymore. Skolas will eventually be the only scorn left.

[hard sigil]

not anymore. eramis left with the echo of riis

[ember storm]

dark ether is not a limited substance

as long as it exists it can infect other ether which is all that's needed

the machinist was literally stockpiling giant vats of dark ether to use in the forsaken campaign

all you need is an eliksni corpse

[ember storm]

their bodies are all entirely gone now so

[hard sigil]

can't bring back skelebones

[ember storm]

there was barely anything biological left of them to begin with

[slim girder]

I never said it was but we don't have any other beings who would even know how to do that whole process. Unless eido decided to experiment or something.
The eliksnis story is pretty tied up now and aside from this new fallen house of exiles I don't really see anything more coming from them for a while.

[fresh zephyr]

Even the Nine aren't as powerful as plot convenience

[ember storm]

again, scorn are not mindless zombies

they know what they are and they know how to make more of themselves

they act purposefully because they want to

the throne world scorn only got there because they willingly followed the witness, they weren't drawn in like taken are

[fresh zephyr]

Fikrul should've literally just have gone after SIVA. SIVA + Echo is a gg

[hard sigil]

I mean there's hope that without fikrul they could just be peaceful

[ember storm]

condemning Skolas' revival to just "yeah he's stuck in a seasonal activity that will be vaulted in one day" forever is a million times worse than actually doing something wiht him

[ember storm]

it doesn't exist anymore

[hard sigil]

all siva is inert

[ember storm]

the only active source of siva in the whole system is outbreak

which we have

[fresh zephyr]

I swear there's some on Nessus

in the Exodus Black

[ember storm]

colony ships were outfitted with a limited amount of siva that needed to be activated and actually programmed

the entire exodus black is in pieces

that supply is gone

there's no replication chamber to actually program it or make more of it

[hard sigil]

(and technically quicksilver is an advanced form of Siva)

[fresh zephyr]

What if the Nine create a new SIVA, not SIVA but like a weird Nine blessing or something

the Giver sounds sus

[ember storm]

what

[hard sigil]

why would they do that

[fresh zephyr]

Like they create something to empower a race

[hard sigil]

the "gifts" the giver is giving the house of exiles is the dark matter fungus and strand

[fresh zephyr]

Like the Witness did

[ember storm]

why would it have to be remotely related to siva

the emissary is what they do to people

[fresh zephyr]

Orin quits right?

how do you quit the Nine, surely something of that cosmic scale already planned for it

[hard sigil]

Orin had retained some of her own will this whole time

like she flat out refused to allow the nine to completely control her

[fresh zephyr]

Is that from the "we don't understand" Jokers Wild stuff

[slim girder]

Willpower.

The nine didn't have as much a hold on her as we thought. Even back in prophecy there's a moment where she explicitly states its orin talking and not the emissary.

[ember storm]

the nine simply don't understand life forms or emotions at all

she's had 1:1 conversations with them about this stuff

[fresh zephyr]

I wonder if Ghaul will come back

[hard sigil]

she has had multiple conversations with them, even after becoming the emissary

[sick yew]

I highly doubt that

[hard sigil]

'I am not your pawn. My will is my own. Though… perhaps not my actions, of late.'

[fresh zephyr]

I miss Ghaul :((

[sick yew]

I dont

Weakest campaign boss in d2 history

[fresh zephyr]

Haunted Ghaul

was peak

[ember storm]

he should've been melee focused

i have no fucking idea why they gave him a slug launcher

not even the centurion shotgun

actually moronic

[fresh zephyr]

seasonal narrative was on a generational run from Beyond Light to Seraph

[ember storm]

imagine if he had a warhammer that would be imbued with the light in his super forms

[fresh zephyr]

I'm so glad we've moved past the Veil

[ember storm]

the winnower in question

[fresh zephyr]

I knoww, but like I'm too stupid for all the Veil stuff, I still don't even know what it actually is, Osiris yapping god knows what science at me

[ember storm]

it's a dark counterpart of the traveler and the two may have been part of a larger whole originally

that's literally it

[hard sigil]

it's a conductor and amplifier for consciousness basically

[fresh zephyr]

but what does that even mean

😭

[hard sigil]

psychic stuff

it's immaterial purposefully

[fresh zephyr]

Osiris kept explaining it, but explaining nothing at the same time, it was exhausting

[ember storm]

it can meld minds together

that's how the witness was made

[hard sigil]

it's always confusing when things become metaphysical

we don't know the extent of its abilities, only examples of what it's capable of

[fresh zephyr]

The Witness was easy to understand, I just don't understand why the Witness needed the Radial Mast, and the Veil when it drew a triangle to enter anyways, unless the Veil did something to allow the Witness to enter?

[ember storm]

the radial mast is an artifact of light

[hard sigil]

the veil works as a Bluetooth connection for the witness to "commune" with the traveller

[ember storm]

it is literall a radial antenna

made to connect the veil to the traveler

[fresh zephyr]

ah now that I understand

[ember storm]

this is why osiris assumes the two are two parts of a larger whole

like, there's a particular reason that linking the two together formed a direct gateway to the pale heart

[fresh zephyr]

but why couldn't we follow?

[hard sigil]

a fruit and a branch of a larger tree, one might say

[ember storm]

we could, but there was no way to safely navigate

it was extremely volatile and dangerous to do so

see our boy joxer

[hard sigil]

poor poor joxer

[fresh zephyr]

why was everyone dying when they went in, or being disfigured like that titan, but the entire vanguard and we made it through unscathed

[hard sigil]

because we used crow as a beacon

he wished his way inside

[fresh zephyr]

Also where did those Pyramids go

that entered with the Witness

[ember storm]

they were reformed into the monolith

you can see they literally turn to mist as they enter the portal

rather than simply floating in as a whole like the witness and our vehicles

[hard sigil]

and the one that got bonked by the traveller is still in orbit iirc

[ember storm]

the witness' transport one that held nezarec's head, yes

[hard sigil]

now it's just a crucible map :)

[fresh zephyr]

So how did people like Mithrax get in?

[hard sigil]

also followed crow

[ember storm]

crow mapped out the safe passage

[fresh zephyr]

oh

[ember storm]

through the ahamkara wish that literally asked to follow the witness' path

so we just had to go in after him

and if you remember it wasn't exactly foolproof either

[fresh zephyr]

he was in there for a very long time lol

[ember storm]

our and ikora's ships both ended up crashing

[hard sigil]

chilling with cayde for a couple months doesn't sound terrible

[fresh zephyr]

Wait hold on if the Pale Heart is memory, surely that means it could reanimate the memory of say Oryx? Or maybe a Dreadnaught?

Since the Witness recreated Zavala's family

I noticed a bit of Kings Fall on the trail into the Pale Heart

[ember storm]

no and no

[hard sigil]

hence the echo

it can't recreate people

[ember storm]

it was just formed at first by the first few who entered it

it is not literally a direct 1:1 of everything we've ever experienced

it can't make people either

[hard sigil]

safiya was just an illusion that the witness induced on zavala

[ember storm]

it's all just places and things

Safiya was literally just a stone statue

[fresh zephyr]

but if it can create Zavala's house and the Tower, it can create a Dreadnaught?

[ember storm]

all it could do when it finalized the universe is put Zavala in a recreation of one of his cherished family moments

[ember storm]

no

[hard sigil]

wait yeah I'm misremembering

[ember storm]

that would be way too big and obstrusive to do

there's nobody who'd enter the pale heart and have memory exclusive of the entire dreadnaught

at most you'd get a weird approximation of one room

which is literally what happens in the opening mission btw

[hard sigil]

it's a visual synopsis of our journey

[ember storm]

this is the kings fall chamber

[hard sigil]

starts us with Cosmodrome stuff, then it transitions to the kings fall stuff

and then I think there was some Vexnet matter in there

it's been a while

[fresh zephyr]

The Echo motif is still prevalent in the music for Edge of Fate

do you think there's more

?

or at least a knock on effect

[hard sigil]

well

Maya is on Kepler

we see her hologram things and the Nessian Schism in trailers

she's in possession of the only echo in the sol system

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah that makes sense, the motif is too constant to be coincidence

[ember storm]

what is the echo motif

[fresh zephyr]

one sec

https://youtu.be/0jiQaU_Xubk?si=RYf0p4tdvWGHGmZc

15:51 is an example

https://youtu.be/e1qayJeFhuk?si=2A9fsO9S0DcYLT3j

1:32

The echo motif

Second encounter track of Sundered is built around the motif which is cool

Sundered is such a cool dungeon overall honestly, the music reflects Rhulk's percussive BPM, takes from the Taken King and Witch Queen too and of course Echoes

[dim minnow]

I like how the intro to Kerrev's theme references First Disciple

[fresh zephyr]

exactly! so cool

[knotty musk]

do ghosts, or exo’s, have to sleep? either mentally or physically

thinking about Moss-2 and his ghost, the guardian with a neural connection to his ghost, and if while moss were to sleep (if he could, or does), and rest his mind, if his ghost could take over the body

[hard sigil]

exos technically don't need to do anything, Clovis designed them so, but he soon figured out that people go insane if they can't eat, drink or sleep

something about their brain thinking that because they can't fulfil those needs (even if those needs are purely psychological), they must be dead

of course Moss is an incredibly special case that we don't know much of anything about

[knotty musk]

I suppose with moss’ implant already crossing the DER line, not sleeping anyway seems reasonable

I suppose I wondered if standard exo’s needed to physically rest also, or if their body could do things while they’re consciousness sleeps

[hard sigil]

considering that they don't have muscles to tire

probably not

it's all just the psychological element. just because you're physically capable of working 12 hour hard labour shifts doesn't mean you wouldn't get bored or want a break

and theoretically someone could "pilot" an exo unit while the mind is sleeping but I doubt such a system was put in place

definitely sounds like something Clovis would do

[queen swallow]

Sun tweet

[hard sigil]

"hand to my heart/darling we're a mess" didn't know the sun was smooth like that

[queen swallow]

They're not lyrics as far as I can tell

[hard sigil]

anyway reference to the fact they're split 4/5 still, and the butterfly effect

which itself is referencing their preferred way to interfere with events

[wild inlet]

So lore question. ||Can Eris even leave her throne world? I know Mara can but she is also (as far as I can tell) far more powerful than Eris.||

[hard sigil]

she literally does so in Heresy

[wild inlet]

I must have missed that. Or just forgotten.

[hard sigil]

the whole point of reforging willbreaker was to use it to cut open the connection between her throne and the material plane

sorry that came off as harsh

[jagged badge]

Do we actually see her leave her Throne World?

[wild inlet]

Yes, but we always go to her. We never see her outside the throne world

[jagged badge]

Now I think about it, yeah

[hard sigil]

actually that's a good point

[jagged badge]

We cut our way into her Throne but that might be different from having conjured her back from it

Unless I’m forgetting some moment or some lore tab

[hard sigil]

we did that with the ritual of Vengeance, no?

the part where drifter tries to recite the spell and just gives up halfway through

[wild inlet]

He does his best lol.

[hard sigil]

I think I just assumed Eris stayed in her throne because it was new and she was exploring it and its capabilities

[jagged badge]

That was all just part of reaching her, no? We could only hear disjointed fragments of her before that, and not properly communicate

[jagged badge]

Potentially

Imma ask around in the Cryptarchy for people’s thoughts

[hard sigil]

there's no reason she shouldn't be able to leave

[wild inlet]

Id think so too but even other people in story specifically go to her throne world instead of her going to see them.

[queen swallow]

Why would you need to ask Cryptarchy? Aren't you Eris?

[wild inlet]

Sloane, drifter, all of them go to her new Taken Hub

[hard sigil]

to be fair she was also babysitting the echo

[wild inlet]

Thats true for a time but even after the Echo is killed, she stays.

[queen swallow]

Someone's observation on the Nine tweets

[queen swallow]

What do they mean by this

Or is this just funny haha puzzle

[fresh zephyr]

the spire in the back on the right

oh, six

😭

[little gorge]

this is a very bad spot the difference

2 of them are tiny rocks

[queen swallow]

I've only found 5

[slim girder]

I was just gonna say that lol

Was hoping it was going to mean something bigger but it genuinely is just a weird spot the difference

[little gorge]

im at 3

[queen swallow]

Visor, both rocks, the satellite tower in the back, and a tiny vine at the bottom of the center rock

[little gorge]

oh come on

watch as this is an actual puzzle on kepler

[queen swallow]

Unironically hype. I'm great at those

I can't find the sixth one though

[little gorge]

i found it

it is genuinely 2 pixels

at least on the discord compressed version

[slim girder]

Titans visor colours are different

[little gorge]

it's more clear if you go to twitter and load in 4k but it's very bs

[queen swallow]

Yeah but that requires opening twitter and I'm allergic to that

[little gorge]

||on the middle rock there is 1 tiny ball missing from the bottom of the left clump of fungus||

[little gorge]

fair enough

also missed opportunity to make it 9 differences?

bungie what are you doing smh

[somber pendant]

finished reverent

so like

where did eramis go

just like west foreverr

or did she go towards where riis was

or do we not know

[slim girder]

Unknown aside from she left Sol to rebuild a new Riis. Whether that means going back to the actual planet of Riis or settling on another planet is unclear.

[somber pendant]

💯

[ember storm]

she's going to go crawling back to her wife begging PLEASE I'M NOT A DICTATOR ANYMORE LOOK THIS GLOWY STAFF SINGS TO ME

[slim girder]

Hope she doesn't try to rebuild Riis using that fancy heretical stasis of hers.

[queen swallow]

Crystal palace would go hard though

[slim girder]

Eramis could go on an Elsa arc

[ember storm]

you know i get why eramis didn't wanna stick around to try and cure every single scorn in existence

way too much effort

but like

not even a quick pitstop to seraph station for praksis

nah she's just fucking outta here lol

[slim girder]

She already hated Sol and the traveler enough. Don't blame her just wanting to hyperspeed out of town.

[ember storm]

yeah but like it'd take half an hour maybe

for someone who she treated as a friend and had to see personally defiled

[slim girder]

We did kill praksis as a scorn and iirc they weren't brought back by fikrul or anything so doesn't seem like she could have really done anything at all.

Praksis can rest.

And other notable eliksni figures who became scorn.

[north garden]

Is there a lore reason why Cayde couldn't come back to the tower in TFS?

[queen swallow]

He turned himself into Light to bring our Ghost back to life

Excision's cutscene is just exactly that

[north garden]

Yeah but before that
He says himself he doesn't think he can come back and I'm wondering why

It was in a radio log yeah but obv taken before excision

[queen swallow]

Because he probably instinctually knew that he couldn't exist outside the Traveler/Pale Heart. Also, why, for lore reasons, would we end our mission to stop the Witness to sit down for some ramen back in the Tower?

[jagged badge]

Who says that he couldn’t?

[queen swallow]

I do :)

Me and my non-existant degree in English literature says there's clearly enough textual evidence to support this. I'm also making some parts of this up but I do fully believe he wouldn't have been able to leave the Traveler had we had the time to actually not pursue the Witness

He's made by Crow's Ahamkara wish and he's shown being turned either into, or back into, pure Light during Excision. There's the line where he himself says he doesn't think he can come back. There's a line from Crow about "being capable of things you don't even understand yet".

The entire campaign they're foreshadowing that he's not going to live

[jagged badge]

Because he chose not to, not because his options were limited

Iirc, his line about not knowing if he can come back is a comment about the fact that he died, that people grieved him, and he feels he can’t exactly just reinsert himself into people’s lives

It’s about the themes of grief and moving on and how Cayde felt about his death. Not a comment on any physical limitation on him

[trim grotto]

I don't suppose you have the actual line in question? I don't recall it word for word, but I believe that's how I interpreted it too.

[queen swallow]

Me or Eris?

[trim grotto]

I was replying to Eris, but whoever has the line can post it. Make it a race. Who lores faster.

I'd check myself but I'm on mobile and at work so I'm limited haha

[queen swallow]

I don't know what mission it'd be from

[jagged badge]

Or if it’s specifically from a mission lol

[queen swallow]

That too

"Cayde-6: But life isn't about holding on forever.

Cayde-6: I mean, I was… gone. Mourned. At peace. And now, I'm… here. Opening old wounds, filling 'em with salt.

Cayde-6: Eventually… you have to let go."
Is the best I have from Requiem

[trim grotto]

I'll check it out when I get home in... Four hours.

It ought to be in the archive

[somber pendant]

have any ghosts ever died in the crucible/gambit

[hard sigil]

mhm

[somber pendant]

🥀

[hard sigil]

Dredgen Yor and Shayura

[somber pendant]

ive heard that name before..

[hard sigil]

Dredgen Yor is the original user of thorn and just actively killed guardians and their ghosts because of his corruption

and Shayura went kinda crazy when people started using Stasis and gave people their final deaths if she found out they were using it

but she's since turned herself in and is trying to make amends for what she's done

[hard sigil]

Probably because of trials weapons

Shayura's Wrath and so on

[somber pendant]

cool!

have any guardians ever "suicide" bombed their ship into an enemy

[slow berry]

The Guardian, circa 2015 or so

into the dreadnaught

kinda

[jagged badge]

That’s the vibe I’m thinking of but I know it’s not the quote here

[slow berry]

not their ship and not a suicide

[somber pendant]

cool lol

[river creek]

Is there a known reason as to why saint mainly uses void light?

[hard sigil]

he likes it

and why would he be using helm of Saint-14 on anything other than void

[blazing wasp]

Most Guardians have a subclass they prefer

Easy to specialize

[river creek]

oh

[hard sigil]

strictly speaking though it's just about how much a person can remember

they're just techniques. a person could learn karate and boxing and cavalry archery, or they could just focus on one

[slow berry]

alright fellas its been good speculating with you

see you all in kepler

[honest thunder]

are malfeasance and barrow dyad weapons of sorrow or something different? And are the two even related to each other?

[hard sigil]

malfeasance is based off of thorn, and barrow is just a weapon of hive origin

but neither are true weapons of sorrow

malf was made by the drifter

[slim perch]

hello a monkey tier lore question i have

nezarec has the helmet exotic nezarec's sin are there any other items in the game that are of direct relation bar conditional finality

[hard sigil]

there's a glaive that came out in haunted

Nezarec's Whisper

[little gorge]

the delicate tomb too

[hard sigil]

oh yes

[honest thunder]

alright. i was just thinking because both (malf and dyad) deal with blights in a way.

[hard sigil]

fair

I think the only weapon of sorrow related to taken specifically is the Touch of Malice

[honest thunder]

that seems right.
is osteo striga also just a hive gun then?

[hard sigil]

yep

[honest thunder]

i really like the whole "weapon of my enemy" thing those got going. want more of that

[hard sigil]

generally all weapons of sorrow were either directly crested by the hive or with hive parts

[sick yew]

There aint even like that many weapons of sorrow no

Theres Thorn obviously

[hard sigil]

there's like 4

[sick yew]

Theres the devour bullet the Barons used to kill Cayde but that doesnt really count as a weapon

[hard sigil]

thorn, necrocasm, osteo and touch of malice

[sick yew]

Osteo is one?

[hard sigil]

mhm

[sick yew]

Neat

[slim perch]

i c thanks

[slim girder]

Not exactly. They are a ploy by the hive to corrupt humanity. Basically the hive weapon master would create weapons like the necrochasm which was originally a human weapon but now twisted by hive magic in an attempt to lure guardians in with power. And if they took this power it would consume them and they'd then turn against their own from the inside.

The weapons of sorrow are dangerous, hungry and a lot of guardians save for us obviously are consumed by that dark power such as people like jana 14 who now treats the osteo striga like her own child.

[sick yew]

The tale of Rezzyl Azzir becoming Dredgen Yor really speaks for itself on that front

[slim girder]

Exactly. A guardian simply taking a trophy for his weapon turned him into a murderer of other guardians through hive whispers.

[sick yew]

Mhm

[honest thunder]

im not talking about weapons of sorrow specifically. More so skyburners, lord of wolfs, qb, acrius, heir apparent and whatever i forgot to list. i would also evil deeds to get dregs promise back

[trim grotto]

There's sort of Trespasser. While it's not an Eliksni weapon, Shiro did build it from their weapon parts.

[sick yew]

Ex Diris is a semi boomer knight gun no?

[trim grotto]

Basically

[slim girder]

Mhm

[trim grotto]

There's whatsitcalled... charge up pew pew rocket barrage

[sick yew]

Ah

Uh

Funky lmg

[trim grotto]

That's the one

[sick yew]

Yeah whats its name

[slim girder]

Grand overture

[sick yew]

Thank you

[trim grotto]

Retro with the win

[slim girder]

Still a little crazy that we haven't yet gotten the void weapon the centurions use a lot of.

Psions wield them sometimes

[sick yew]

They should make a glaive thats just the Eliksni arc lance that Vandals sometimes run around with

Its so obvious

[trim grotto]

There was... what was it called... my favourite sniper rifle...

Trophy Hunter?

[sick yew]

From the Saint season? Yeah

With the funky scope

[trim grotto]

That's the one

[slim girder]

Oh yeah those weapons were very cabal looking.
Pyroclastic flow as well

[sick yew]

What other guns from our enemies would be neat to have

[slim girder]

That centurion one I mentioned, a dread weaver/attendant "resonance rifle"

[sick yew]

I think they should make a gun that launches the little worm thingies that control the whatever that one dread enemy is called

You know that one

[slim girder]

Husks? You mean their geists?

[sick yew]

Yeah those

Like a special ammo weapon similar to Parasite where you just send out those homing worm thingies

[slim girder]

What about a weapon that can do the same tinnitus effect that grim have.

[sick yew]

Good idea

Make it a Titan exotic that is just a pair of arms with some big music boxes as pads

And every time you cast your barricade it sends out a tinnitus inducing wave into that direction

[ashen parcel]

So uuhh where we gonna start about Urshenkov and his Fireteam Of Rage?

His World War 2 past first or just skip straight to D2 timeline?

Well uhh if we skip then you all will be confused of the conception consider almost everything heavily connected to his WW2 past

[blazing wasp]

Who?

[trim grotto]

Typically speaking, modern age humanity has very little idea about what happened in the Golden Age, and most people don't know much about prior to that, either. Not to mention that Guardians have a bit of a code not to look into the lives of their past selves... so you could quite easily skip ahead to the modern time of D2, depending on how much you want the reader to know.

[trim grotto]

Fanfic characters that ivan is writing

[ashen parcel]

Well, maybe I would start with ww2 first consider... Damn, it's epic

[hard sigil]

realistically, how much of an impact does the world war 2 stuff have on the rest of the story

[ashen parcel]

Alot

Especially on.... Urshenkov personal thing, but maybe it would be different case for other part

[blazing wasp]

Oh

[hard sigil]

ah ok

[ashen parcel]

But maybe, for mods, I want... Any of you to take action immediately if some of the lore contain something too heavy considering it is heavy lore lol, maybe replace it with something tamer because this lore were really meant to be edgy and brutal

[ashen parcel]

Date: 1930

Urshenkov born in 30 Dec 1922, the exact same time when the Soviet union formed, he was once a kid who live in a village that located near ST Petersburg, when he was 8 years old, Urshenkov was a happy kid who seemingly would have a great future, but everything changed when an anti-soviet group invade their village for unknown reason, the group was extremely hostile towards the establishment of Soviet Union, there, Urshenkov was held with his older brother watching their parents being martyred, Urshenkov, scream for his parents, couldn't do anything, helpless, until the army of Soviets union arrive, killed the members of the attacker and saved civilians, including Urshenkov and his brother, there, Urshenkov, inspired to join the army, with his brother, but it didn't last long in the winter war....."

[slim perch]

hi does anyone know of any high quality images up close of nezarec's eyes

i do not mean in game i mean in artstyle format

[hard sigil]

artstyle format? how do you mean

[slim perch]

like renders

unfortunately this one is off angle i am seeking directly from ahead

[honest thunder]

the creature designers really cooked with nezzy

[hard sigil]

that's also concept art which doesn't reflect the actual look

[slim perch]

yes thats fine

[hard sigil]

unfortunately you're not gonna find much of anything that isn't fan art

[hard sigil]

best I could find

[slim perch]

hmm

it is what it is

[hard sigil]

here's a closer (but untextured) look

[slim perch]

that would be perfect if they had textured it

[hard sigil]

this should be a higher resolution version of the first one

[slim perch]

alas, i shall throw myself off a cliff

[hard sigil]

looking for a pfp?

[slim perch]

no

i am writing up a dnd session, and require a reference image to utilize for some eyes and i thought his would work well

[hard sigil]

ah

[slim perch]

maybe tormentors have an upclose like i am looking for

[hard sigil]

if nothing else you have the colour and pupil shape

[slim girder]

Tormentors don't really have eyes. Just a pyramid on their head

[slim perch]

am aware, meant the light source

[hard sigil]

man I should look at concept art more this is cool

[slim perch]

they are very good yes

[hard sigil]

this seems to be the clearest actual look at the light source

[slim perch]

this looks like a reaction image

[hard sigil]

every other image I can find had the light actually blooming

[slim perch]

yeah i meant blooming

[hard sigil]

ah then that's much easier

anyway this is very unrelated to lore

[slim perch]

thanks

[green cobalt]

Hey guys why do ghosts choose exos and not revive the original body instead? Are they stupid?

[jagged badge]

?

[green cobalt]

Exominds, the mind has to come from somewhere yeah? Why not revive that original body

[jagged badge]

Because they found the Exo?

Exos aren’t exactly carrying their human corpses everywhere with them

[green cobalt]

[queen swallow]

No, like, there's the exo and then there's the body the exo came from. Why not revive the body the exo came from?

[jagged badge]

The Ghost is looking for their partner. They find the body of an Exo and feel a pull to it. Why would they then leave that Exo and go looking God knows where for a different corpse to revive?

[green cobalt]

This might sound exophobic but why settle for the facsimile and not get the real deal

[green cobalt]

Makes sense

[queen swallow]

Personally, my theory is that Clovis Bray himself eats your body when you become an exo. Too fragmented to revive :/

[jagged badge]

[dapper moss]

not a true robot enjoyer are we

[green cobalt]

I was legitimately curious

[dapper moss]

more elsie bray for me then

[green cobalt]

No I do like her

[slow berry]

given what atraks did to her corpse it might be this

not that he literally eats them mind you

but i think seeing your alive flesh body (with no soul inside it) would probably give you DER

[green cobalt]

You think Clovis would let exomind participants get access to their "old" bodies?

[slow berry]

that said if you wanna get onthological about it i'm p sure the exo process takes your whole ass soul and spirit away from your body so your body is just

cells and shit

that couldn't be revived with a ghost

[slow berry]

no, which is why he probably just chucks them out of the station

rememember that clovis saw the human biological body as flawed and cringe

[green cobalt]

would he not experiment on them?

[slow berry]

honestly probably not? he has more interesting thing to work on

[ashen parcel]

Lemme get this straight, because the original body is already nowhere to found but their Exo frames

[green cobalt]

Yeah true, he made exos he probably doesnt care about the flesh bodies

[ashen parcel]

Maybe throw it somewhere in a slums

[ashen parcel]

Continuing

Date: 1939, Winter War, Finland

Urshenkov and his brother, now 17, in the army, was sent by their commands to patrol around the base, at first it seemingly to be a normal patrol, but everything changed when he and his brother were captured by the Finnish scouts, they being brought to somewhere in the middle of the winter, frostbitting temperature really soaked the place, there, Urshenkov and his brother being interrogated, Urshenkov refuse to talk, then the capturer try to make Urshenkov brother to talk by force, there, Urshenkov had to watch his brother being brutalized, the only family member he had left, now die infront of his eyes

[hard sigil]

we know this from mask of Bakris but that would be an incredibly traumatic event

[ashen parcel]

There, Urshenkov show the early sign of his rage, the capturer saw his eyes, burning crimson, his vein and muscle bulging, his teeth clenching, he break himself free from the chair, then killed the capturer, one by one, no mercy shown by him, then he come to his brother, murmur him, but he had no time left, the enemy outside already alerted, Urshenkov grab his Mosin, and obliterated them, the enemy saw it, they saw their bullets go through his body, but he didn't even flinch, he keep walking, shooting, yelling, like. A mindless beast

[hard sigil]

in theory I guess it would be possible for a person who was uploaded to an exo could be resurrected and their exo self could also be around too. but most likely they cremated the bodies of those who were uploaded

I know Elsie specifically asked for her body to be laid to rest in the oceans underneath the Europan ice sheets though

[ashen parcel]

Europa or Europe?

[hard sigil]

Europa

since that's where the DSC is

[queen swallow]

Europa = Europan
Europe = European

[hard sigil]

it was autocorrected to European at the time the question was asked

[ashen parcel]

And when his commands and other soldier from the battalion arrived, they saw the ground is flooding bloods, bodies of their enemy just laid everywhere, they find Urshenkov, unconscious, but they feel a strange present inside him

There, they heard a vague voice saying "Rage.... Survival.... Urshankrav...."

-# The name Urshankrav will be revealed even further in the D2 timeline

Back to topic, his commands punished him, making him not allowed to use anything far more lethal than a Mosin

[nimble mango]

Hey i’m just wondering what will edge of fate be about, like the general story and theme. I can’t find much is it supposed to be mysterious? i know it’s about the emissary leaving the nine and the nine are looking for a new person to fill the role. I want to know why are we going to kepler and a little background

[queen swallow]

The Nine

[nimble mango]

yeah i know but liek

doing what

[queen swallow]

Kepler has a singularity on it

They invited us there

[nimble mango]

the nine invited us to kepler?

[hard sigil]

alongside Ikora, yes

[queen swallow]

Yep. They arranged it so we wouldn't say no.

[nimble mango]

why? that’s what i’m trying to figure out

[hard sigil]

they've kept the plot fairly under wraps

[nimble mango]

hmm i see

thank you

[queen swallow]

They want our help with something we think

[nimble mango]

seems cool though

[hard sigil]

the nine are enigmatic

[nimble mango]

wow

bungie really left it vague

that’s cool

what is the emissary

[queen swallow]

The Nine have always been mysterious

[nimble mango]

yeah fair enough

[hard sigil]

Orin

[queen swallow]

The floating lady from Rite of the Nine

[hard sigil]

she was the Emissary

[nimble mango]

yeah isn’t she like tryna leave the nine

[hard sigil]

she's not a member of the nine

just an agent of it

[nimble mango]

and she’s trying to quit?

[hard sigil]

unlike Xûr, she retained a small part of her will and actively argued with the nine several times

[hard sigil]

essentially yes

[nimble mango]

wasn’t she a guardian turned agent

[hard sigil]

mhm

[nimble mango]

and the nine are trying to fill that role i presume

[hard sigil]

which we have assumed is the role Lodi is "auditioning" for

[nimble mango]

who the hell is lodi

i’ve been out of the loop since revenant

[hard sigil]

the guy with glasses in the trailers

[nimble mango]

ahh, he lowkey look like my dad 😭

[hard sigil]

he was a linguist for a U.S. government agency called the Department of External Observations in the 1960s

[nimble mango]

oh wait didn’t he assassinate jfk with graviton lance?

[hard sigil]

no

god that cross video has baited so many people

there's some contextual lore about the DEO that came with the collectors edition that references a gravitational anomaly within JFK's wound

that's literally all we have on it

[nimble mango]

so that’s why the trailer had some 1950s stuff phone

[hard sigil]

it's implied the nine influenced it for whatever reason

probably to get Lodi to work for the DEO as setup for bringing him to Kepler

[nimble mango]

ohh

is there any info on the season? like what the story is about

[hard sigil]

the season is mostly unrelated

[nimble mango]

do we know anything

[hard sigil]

there's no more seasonal storyline but we get a general theme

[nimble mango]

oh really? so no more missions

do we get a seasonal activity

[hard sigil]

the foundries and the vanguard are working on reclaiming things on the planets and moons we got back

[hard sigil]

I think so? good news is that it's f2p

[nimble mango]

that’s cool

[hard sigil]

only paid part of seasons are the reward passes

[slim girder]

We don't know if it's related. Events might occur that effect the season as most do during an expansion. Bungie have only said the name and where we're going

We know nothing else

[nimble mango]

So to get things straight, edge of fate onwards is a complete new ‘saga’ and has nothing to do with the last 10 years of destiny besides incorporating characters we already know like zavala and ikora etc

[hard sigil]

pretty much

[slim girder]

Yes

It'll def call back to events but from here on it's a new story being told

[hard sigil]

the black fleet is no more

[slim girder]

We don't yet know our next true big bad

[nimble mango]

ahh okay that’s pretty cool i was wondering

[slim girder]

All we know is something is wrong on kepler and the nine are starting to play a bigger part in things

[nimble mango]

bit off topic but the download size is 133gigs on xbox 😭😭😭

[nimble mango]

That’s really cool i’ve always loved the nine

[slim girder]

The game is being overhauled and changing massively

[nimble mango]

is the raid in eternity, that’s what it looks like from the image

[slim girder]

No idea

[nimble mango]

yeah i know it’s still crazy though

[slim girder]

We just know it's name

[nimble mango]

hmm cool

[slim girder]

And what i'm guessing is the intro

[hard sigil]

judging by the one shot we have from the trailer it will be

[nimble mango]

yeah i thought

another question

what is renegades? i know its star wars but is it cannon or nah and is it a part of star wars and destiny or just destiny

[hard sigil]

it's not star wars

it's inspired by the aesthetics and theme

[slim girder]

Not everything is in eternity. Like the haul for example. The realm of the nine isn't a "place" in the traditional sense

[hard sigil]

but it's otherwise not related

[slim girder]

It's just the space western theme first done by star wars but still an original destiny story

[hard sigil]

yeah I know

but it's still got the Unknown Space architecture

[nimble mango]

lightsabers

[queen swallow]

None of the lore of Star Wars cannon will be added to Destiny 2

[nimble mango]

ah i see

[queen swallow]

You will not fight Palpatine in a Death Star dungeon

[nimble mango]

so there won’t be like star wars enemies and stuff

[hard sigil]

nope

[nimble mango]

you know that’s what i was hoping

will there be lightsabers

[queen swallow]

Yes

Rule of cool

[hard sigil]

it's just a space western on a desert setting

that will give us a lightsaber and a blaster

[nimble mango]

i saw the trailer i thought that it was tatooine

[hard sigil]

if anything we'll be in contact with the spider as the main overwatch

[queen swallow]

Drifter if anything considering we're hunting a Dredgen

[nimble mango]

ahh i see

[nimble mango]

spiders a cool character

[slim girder]

My money's on the new dredgen being jana 14. The owner of the osteo striga and a very sadistic and evil warlock.

[ember storm]

being a dredgen seems like a weird turn for her tbh

she's nowhere near the criminal mastermind villain type, she's literally just a disturbed serial killer

[slim girder]

Even serial killers can act civilised and even IRL serial killers are pretty damn smart in a very frightening way.

[ember storm]

yeah but she's not like a dexter type

she's literally skulking around alleys, showing people her bundled weapon, and leaving them in rotted disembowled piles

how does one go from that to literally running a criminal empire

[slim girder]

Well we don't know if it's her criminal empire. She could be the target but there's a lot of room for other characters who could also be running those syndicates. Spider could be one of them, drifter definitely given he used to be a dredgen. And possibly new characters.

Spider is def a jabba the hutt stand in type character.

[slow berry]

thank you neptune

[dull raft]

truly a lore moment

[slim girder]

I'M IN

Goodbye for the next couple days lol

[eager trout]

Why does one of the pictures in the "installing" screen show an icy moon orbiting Saturn? Which one is that?

Enceladus?

[devout nimbus]

Do exos eat?

[eager trout]

Yes

[devout nimbus]

Why

They're robots

[eager trout]

Because Clovis Bray in his infinite genius decided to put human minds in normal robot bodies and discovered the human mind requires all the basic bodily functions to work properly.

[hollow hinge]

MODS

MOOOOOOODS

Are we allowed to discuss new lore in here?

or rather potential new lore

[eager trout]

Something something singularity

[eager trout]

Probably allowed to discuss things as long as it's just speculation based on what we already had before EoF

But not based on anything new

[hollow hinge]

I'm sorry but you're saying a lot of things to say a whole bunch of nothing, this is exactly why I'm asking lmao

[ember storm]

Human minds having the sudden realization that they shouldn’t be alive causes a mental breakdown that always ends in immediate suicide, so

Exo bodies are specifically designed to simulate human functions like eating, sleeping, and breathing

[devout nimbus]

Ah right

[devout nimbus]

New stuff in spoiler channel for now please

[hollow hinge]

alrighty

[ember storm]

Can there be a common knowledge channel for old stuff

[devout nimbus]

?

[ember storm]

Make a limited time channel to discuss the opposite of spoilers

[devout nimbus]

...

[ember storm]

It is good idea

[empty fern]

Hmmmm

[ashen parcel]

Continuation

Date: 1942, World War 2, in a frontline trench between opposition force and Soviet armies, The Second Attack Of The Dead Men

Urshenkov was deployed there, among the Soviet soldiers, Urshenkov already became a myth after his Finland rampage, anyone hesitant to be near him

But suddenly... And attack by their enemies, the opposition force use the same chemical gas from the Osowiec, the first Attack Of The Dead Men

The soviets wasn't prepared, the gas make their skin irritated, they vomit bloods, Urshenkov is one of the soldier that got affected by the gas, his lips, peels off, melting, only left flesh and his teeth

But Urshenkov feel the same rage that he unleashed in Finland, he began to stood up, be the first to show up Zombie-like, Infront of the enemies, they saw his lips, completely altered, then, he began to shoot, shoot, and shoot, the enemies try to kill him, but he doesn't fall, slowly the other soldiers began to rise again, joining Urshenkov who lead the undead soviets

There, Urshenkov iconic war cry was first heard

"УРАА!"

Oh @sick yew is there any message on this that go against the rule? If there so, maybe you could ask me to edit it

[ashen parcel]

Anyway uh @trim grotto , if you read the page from Urshenkov traumatic childhood, his Finland Winter War first rampage, to this current, you could see why I didn't make Urshenkov forgetting his past and break the guardian code you mentioned before

[empty fern]

I’d prefer if fan made content remained in #🏆destiny-media instead of lore

[ashen parcel]

But people keep asking me to put it in this channel

[empty fern]

They are?

[ashen parcel]

Yeah...

[empty fern]

Damnit baguette

[ashen parcel]

Back to topic

Urshenkov finally falls after the enemies retreat out of fear, the paramedic arrive and brought Urshenkov and the other to the medic camp

Urshenkov skinless lips became his most famous traits

[ashen parcel]

@buoyant horizon considered your a fans of Urshenkov, maybe you would love this, scrolls down and you'll the lore continuation

Uhh I'm not sure if other headcanon/fanfiction writter would love it too-

[slow berry]

theres a lot of nine-based visual design going on that i think is super cute

like not The Nine just

thing that are nine

like there's nine rings and nine receptacles for the hourglasses

[slim girder]

NO FUCKING WAY

That's all i'll say

[heady monolith]

i cant lie, its extremely weird to use actual wars, let alone, world wars, as part of your character lore

[ashen parcel]

Well

Actually Urshenkov wasn't D2 fanfic character at first

But consider I already throw away the series and Urshenkov is the only character I want to keep

So I made him one

I keep his WW2 related past for originality

The main character of the past series is Urshenkov, Vedev, Rykov Karlenko, Nevgerev, Kagerev, Ana, William Krueger, Jacob Pokorski, the other character are being put into my Countryhuman Series as an Easter egg and memorial, Vedev is the only one that were also in D2, as Dmitry Ghost, one of the member of Urshenkov fireteam

Kagerev is Urshenkov son, while Nevgerev is his Grandson, so possibly they will appear soon

[ashen parcel]

Anyway uhh why is it weird?

[heady monolith]

theyre actual wars that took place that affected real people and communities, some still feeling the effects of what happened to this day, using it for lore of a character of a video game set in space and on different planets kinda just feels inappropriate for the severity of what happened

[ashen parcel]

Sooo I can't do it?

[queen swallow]

Just... don't

[ashen parcel]

Wait I have to remove a lore that I've been working on for a long time?

Just... No. please, I would not, I put my love in this lore and I have to get rid of it?

[trim grotto]

I think what you need, friend, is a community who focus on fanfic. This discord doesn't really have a fanfic community.
And maybe focus more on the known realm and time of Destiny. People fell in love with Destiny's timeline of the Golden Age onwards, even if your characters pre-Golden Age history is relevant to their development.

There are groups out there who have thriving fanfic communities. Heck, even Destinypedia has one.

||Which probably explains some of their page entries to be honest||

[dapper dawn]

Destinypedia kinda waters down all the cool Destiny theories that Bungie never wants to admit are true.

[ashen parcel]

There's actually one problem that made me barely got into one.....

[dapper dawn]

I actually know one.

[ashen parcel]

What is it?

[dapper dawn]

My friend Ultrarisen owns it

[ashen parcel]

Well no that's not it

Most of my stuff are..... Extremely Irrelevant

[trim grotto]

Not quite the way I would have phrased it.

[dapper dawn]

Well that one is about retelling Destiny 2 Pyramid race.

[ashen parcel]

And even if I did caught up their attention, most people would just take a look at me and go like "Bro, why are you making these?"

[dapper dawn]

🙂 Be like me. Make a whole lot of pyramid ships, every time you take an L, you make a Pyramid Render

[ashen parcel]

All I can do is drawing buff character

And uhhh make conception

[dapper dawn]

Keep at it, oh, and stay away from the brain rot, it will kill your creativity.

[ashen parcel]

Such as uhhh, a runes meaning depend on the colour it painted in, such as Algiz, protection, Blue mean protect with loyalty, love, and honor, while red mean protect with hate and brute force

[dapper dawn]

I’d say stick close to what you love. Don’t let anyone tell you what you can and can’t do.

[trim grotto]

Well, you know their past. Write their future, too.
Destiny's universe is a big place. Aliens, dimensions, futuristic tech, a struggling city of humanity. If you want Destiny fans specifically to enjoy it... Show them Destiny. The Collapse to modern day was hundreds of years. There's a lot of potential.

[ashen parcel]

Wait, I already do that alot

Such as Urshenkov upcoming battle with Hansër, a mirror of him, which will take place in the last city

But it... Would mention mythology

Real mythology

Such as Urshenkov was already being prophecies by the gods across pantheon, Norse, Slav, Aztec, Egypt, all mention the same figure, a red skinned warrior, but not his name

[trim grotto]

Well, it's your story. It doesn't have to be a perfect copy of Destiny. It can be your AU.

[devout parrot]

You just need to be mindful of what it is youre writing, and where you share it to, cause some of the things you glorify would come off the wrong way to many people, especially in current times

[ashen parcel]

Oh

Well, I think I will focus on my Httyd headcanon because that's was my main lore

[heady monolith]

you can always create your own wars, you have full control of your oc's history and lore, you can fully create a war that suits your guardian oc (well, before they were a guardian)

[ashen parcel]

Aaa I would just say straight no to this

Well, I have to go

[slow berry]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS PEAK ITS KINO

going insane btw

[slim girder]

I just finished the story. HOLY SHIT

Can't wait to discuss it when spoilers are lifted

[trim grotto]

Get out of here you two I haven't even finished my shift yet

[slim girder]

Mael quit your job rn and go play it

I want to go down the rabbit hole

[sick yew]

No, Mael is right
To #1394367773207040042 with you two

[sick yew]

#1394367773207040042 for you too

[spice rain]

how dose strand enemy's work in lore aren't we meant to be like the first and only to know about it

[sick yew]

We were the first to know but the Witness took notice and simply explored it in the time between Lightfall and Final Shape

[spice rain]

what hasent the whitness stole

[sick yew]

Our plot armor

[river creek]

Are the vex more powerful than the nine?

[trim grotto]

...that's a hell of a comparison.

[river creek]

Do we know the answer?

Or a good guess

[trim grotto]

I... really... can't compare them like that. The Nine are bodiless swirls of dark matter caught in gravitational loops, the Vex are microscopic Radiolaria piloting mechs.
The Vex can leave this system, the Nine are trapped within it.
The Nine are... more "powerful" within it, I suppose?

Like this is a very difficult way to compare

[river creek]

So it's like immovable object vs. unstoppable force, except the unstoppable force has a record of destroying an immovable object?

the immovable is of course Saint

[trim grotto]

I just can't say that either being is more "powerful" when it depends on the context.

[river creek]

oh alr

[river creek]

imma be honest

I don't care for the nine

but

is there even anything else they could've done?

lorewise ofc

[trim grotto]

What?

[river creek]

like, next big bad

is there anything else they could've even done

genuinely wondering

and no

I'm not just trying to hate

[trim grotto]

Well, yes. Quite easily, they had options. But we haven't had real content with the Nine for many years.

[river creek]

oh

oh shit yeah i forgot about the winnower

[honest thunder]

the vex are still a big threat right? i think only the sol divisive was devoted to the witness