📚lore-discussion

[ember storm]

Just an abridged thing

[silk nova]

that shit was peak ngl

[slow berry]

Skolas having done Vex shit after being freed by the Nine does echo in the Exiles, the Nine and the Vex all being on Kepler

[dim minnow]

if we ain't fighting for the glory of the Separatist Alliance, then I don't wanna hear it

[silk nova]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-bantha-gif-24595196

[silk nova]

also i swear if we get any moments like this in Renegades i will demand a refund

[dim minnow]

wacky space stuff is a feature of Star Wars

[silk nova]

i meant more of the horrendous humour

[slim girder]

Kinda the whole vibe of star wars lol

[dim minnow]

if you want Star Wars, then you will have to deal with it

[silk nova]

i dont mind the wacky

[slim girder]

Like I want someone to give me the whole elegance talk when I get that lightsaber

[silk nova]

reminds me

new Andor eps should be dropping this week

fun times

[dim minnow]

Ghorman Massacre time

[little gorge]

they had to do a long winded introduction about how this is moving the story forward but theyre "paying homage"

i think bungie just paid lucas to use lightsabers and stuff

[silk nova]

ngl

I dont understand what the Nine are

never really touched too much on em

[dim minnow]

clouds of space dust tethered to the gravitational loops produced by the planets and sun of Sol

[silk nova]

interesting

time to go find out more

I know they orchestrated some events in the past

like making sure we didnt detect the Red Legion approaching the city during the Red War

[ember storm]

One of them did that

Because again they’re a group

[dim minnow]

Dust lore book

[silk nova]

they’re a group but dont they kinda have their own agendas

as individuals

[thorny scarab]

Ok lore masters

What the fuck is all this shit

Green fallen?
Gordon Freeman?

[dim minnow]

Green Fallen are House of Exile

we fought them back in D1 on the Moon

no clue who Lodi is though

[thorny scarab]

And we didn’t get rid of them all?

Also Orin

[latent temple]

Byf says he was mentioned in vesper's host

[thorny scarab]

Byf says a lot of things

[jagged badge]

Astraea: Warning! Unauthorized message coming through the Anomaly! Data follows… Lodi transmitting. Status moonsick, adrift. Odysseus protocol active. It repeats from there. Do you recognize the code?

[thorny scarab]

So…
Lodi was the one sending the signal?

[jagged badge]

[dim minnow]

well yeah he was

[thorny scarab]

Maaaan I don’t got the time for this

[dim minnow]

but other than that, nothing

[thorny scarab]

Rite of the Nine and a new GTA trailer came out today

And I’m going to the arcade with my brother

[slim girder]

We'll have to wait and see

Lodi might infact be the one who sent the message in vesper

Judging from the trailer this guy was def adrift and has had something done to him

[bleak crow]

How are the scorn or fallen able to just turn into smoke and move around?

is it just something they can do genetically?

[ember storm]

Only scorn and it’s because they’re undead zombies raised by magic

Fallen use technology to teleport short distances

[slim girder]

Curious what the lore behind the fallen having strand is.

Unless this is some kind of anomaly where all sorts of things are clashing together and we're seeing "what ifs" of everything

[empty fern]

Fallen receiving support from one of the nine

[slim girder]

Feel like the eliksni even though we have shown darkness to not be inherently evil would still be cautious and prefer to stay away from it.
Eramis and house salvation being the exception ofc

[empty fern]

House exile being exiled and using anything they can

[eager trout]

Given Kepler is closer to the Nine's "realm", it's likely Strand manifests there enough for the Fallen to harness through technology.

[slim girder]

Guess we'll just have to wait a see what happens. I know the lore is prolly gonna be super interesting

It's confirmed. Lodi is the dude in edge of fate meaning he's the guy that sent the transmission in vespers host

[empty fern]

It’s beyond light 2

[slim girder]

Moonsick makes a lot more sense given him having visions and clearly not being all there

[lofty badge]

what is the current state of the Sol Divisive with the witness dead?

[empty fern]

We don’t know

[slim girder]

They're sad

[lofty badge]

oh?

[eager trout]

Probably confused.

[lofty badge]

makes sense

[eager trout]

Maybe they'll try to go back to the main Vex collective

[lofty badge]

think they remain isolaed to the black garden now?

[eager trout]

May cause a civil war

[empty fern]

[lofty badge]

well the vex is already in a civil war

with the conductor

[daring sage]

Anyone know if Byf has a catch up video from Eris' Season before The Final Shape to now?

I've been out for awhile and wanna at least catch up on the lore.

[slim girder]

Unfortunately not but there are still videos talking about the topic from byf if you just scroll for a bit.

[daring sage]

RIP. 45 hours of YouTube videos, here I come. 😅 🤣

[thorny scarab]

Ok so like

The subway car

What is human technology doing so far away?

It’s even more interesting that it’s not golden age humanity stuff

[ember storm]

What makes you say that

There’s literally subways on mars

[trim grotto]

For a time, but not forever. They may seek out new sources of Darkness or paracausal energy to fulfil their function.

[thorny scarab]

Since when

[ember storm]

since D1?

they have subway cars

https://youtu.be/b5iojYJZSgc?si=Wul0p7g7c96bK-hU&t=202

[sick yew]

Where are the sandwiches?

That was a bad joke
I apologize

[ember storm]

burn

[fresh zephyr]

With Renegades and the by design Bungie tweet, I feel like the big reveal is going to be that we’re all inside a video game and we can shape our reality or something.

I know I bait, but I’m being genuinely serious

The Nine break the 4th wall so much

[sick yew]

[ember storm]

they don't

every mention of a game they've said has referred to the one unveiling is about

they tell drifter to "keep playing the game" when relating to gambit because it helped guardians get used to the idea of using darkness

the game between the gardener and the winnower isnt over, it just isnt the main focus of the story now (and it wasnt really before, that was all the witness being an idiot)

[trim grotto]

The Game of Light and Dark. The Dredgen, the Forgotten Blade, and the Hourglass - Drifter, Eris, Elsie. The first to command the Dark without corruption. Our "dark vanguard".

The only actual fourth wall break from them is Dares which is both barely canon and not actually Nine related

[slow berry]

There is the "O Player Mine" from the Ahamkara and in general their entire thing but which does have the theme of Destiny being a game but I don't think they're ever going to do anything in-game about it, because of the whole nature of it

[sleek sentinel]

So we're getting a "Strand MatterSpark Saber" in top kinetic slot A-La Ergo Sum style

[trim grotto]

True, though of course the Ahamkara are a while different kettle of fish. Very strange saying, by the way.

[jagged badge]

Says who?

[ember storm]

Why is there cats in the nine space

Weren’t those the awoken cats in wish

[eager trout]

What?

[sleek sentinel]

Speculating connecting the lore dots from the livestream info

[eager trout]

Well, the lightsaber weapon does look green

[dim python]

It also appears blue though

So many we can shader it/change colors

[lofty badge]

People think Vader gonna show up in Renegades

[raw hazel]

No

well

maybe as a cosmetic lmao

actually wait yeah it’s one of the pre-orders

[mild folio]

For Star War expansion this is before or after in Imperial War?

[ember storm]

Neither because it’s not about Star Wars

[little gorge]

it's after the edge of fate, hope this helps

[ember storm]

The licensing from lucasfilms is for the ornament sets and whatnot

We are just going to a location that is a desolate lawless frontier

[little gorge]

the reef 2

[raw hazel]

I personally think it takes place during the og trilogy

[dim minnow]

to be real, Renegades is not in the Star Wars continuity

it's solely in Destiny

[raw hazel]

Not as funny tho

[dim minnow]

at the very least, they will probably say that the weapons and gear we get there are from the Star Wars galaxy

[slim girder]

It's just the aesthetic of star wars

Not actually star wars though

[dim minnow]

not just that, themes as well

I'm betting that the Dredgen that is mentioned is a stand in for a Sith lord

[ember storm]

Even though that’s basically what forsaken was

[dim minnow]

Forsaken was space western

[ember storm]

They’re doing a book of boba fett obviously

[ember storm]

that’s what tatooine is

Renegade is based on tatooine specifically

We’re literally doing a crime syndicate thing

[raw hazel]

nono, it’s notoonie, legally distinct

[dim minnow]

you can't just look at space desert and say Tatooine

[slim girder]

I think a bad bounty hunter would be more fitting. Like imagine if we're chasing someone like Cad bane or boba fett

[ember storm]

[dim minnow]

I'd prefer if we get a proper lightsaber duel

[ember storm]

We’d better pull out another one liner like we did in BL

[dim minnow]

maybe the Dredgen is working for an evil member of the Nine and is trying to tempt us to join them

[ember storm]

“Only thing we have to break is you”

Cinema

[slim girder]

If we're on a desert planet though PLEASE give us something that looks like a sarlac.

[frigid sparrow]

"Good news everyone, we're getting will of the thousands back!"

[slim girder]

I want to see a big monster or even just a big skeleton of something resembling that

[ember storm]

Reskinned Xol strike boss confirmed

[dim minnow]

I'm thinking personally that Renegades will follow aesthetics and themes from the criminal underworld and original trilogy aspects of Star Wars

[slim girder]

Exactly like imagine a giant dead worm poking it's open mouth out of the ground

[dim minnow]

I'm gonn abe honest though, I see people be way too negative about Renegades

[slim girder]

As for who we fight I feel fallen would be best as a stand in for those Tatooine scavengers we see like during the pod race.
I forgot their actual name

[ember storm]

Because they can’t read

“Ouuguhfh destiny is jumping the shark!!”

We have a Slimer ghost shell with a butt

This isn’t new

[dim minnow]

Tusken Raiders, and I'm pretty sure it;s going to be Cabal focused

[frigid sparrow]

I'd agree but fallen getting two big dlcs in a row, THEORETICALLY three with plaguelands coming back, would certainly be a choice

[slim girder]

It's most definitely going to feature cabal and I'm 99% sure this is a mars DLC

[dim minnow]

Plaguelands is one of the updates that comes out with Edge of Fate

[frigid sparrow]

It's a established that the eliksni and red legion are working as pirates in plunder

[ember storm]

iirc there WERE cabal pirate crews in Plunder, right

Not just normal rebels

there was pirate cabal in that Cayde comic too

[frigid sparrow]

Yeah but obviously there's gotta be some focus there and the fallen were a big part of that

[dim minnow]

Cabal deserters were in the ranks of the Old Crews

there were even some pirate lords who were Cabal

[frigid sparrow]

Shadow legion were also noted as "mercenaries" for Fikrul with a tenuous alliance

But hey, maybe it's someone weaponizing taken influence or something

Hive clearly aren't gonna be playing a part anytime soon, vex might make sense as "droids"

[slim girder]

Everyone drew that comparison long ago before we had the lore on the vex we do now.

Something I'm most interested about is who is the new dredgen. And call me crazy but what if we end up in alimos town or dwindlers ridge? A dredgen would obviously have ties to dredgen yor.

Apologies if I spelt the town wrong

[sick yew]

Dredgens dont have ties to Yor?

Most of them were just fans of his or just liked his style

No Dredgen besides undercover Shin even met him

[dim minnow]

the title Dredgen did originate from Yor

[sick yew]

Obviously

[slim girder]

What I meant by ties was more they'd investigate yors past and stuff like that. Like how some of the shadows found yors ship and deciphered his texts

[sick yew]

Watch Shin casually hang out on Tattooine in Renegades

[dim minnow]

you know, when I said "Grievous will be in Destiny 2 in 1 day" yesterday, I was joking

we Grievous fans have been taking Ws lately

first he's in Brawlhalla, then Fortnite, and now Destiny 2

[sick yew]

The big three huh

Brawlhalla, Fortnite and D2

[slim girder]

Off topic but what did y'all think about the revelation that Orin was the emissary against her will?

[sick yew]

Wasnt that known?

[dim minnow]

we knew she wasn't exactly fully acting on her own accord

[slim girder]

I don't believe so. Iirc the story goes she just went looking for the nine and ended up becoming the emissary

[dim minnow]

when Prophecy first came out, she said she had to force a reprieve form the EMissary so she could talk to us

[slim girder]

The nine are just looking more and more malicious everytime we hear about them.

And now we can chalk down mind control

[sick yew]

Isnt Xur living example that they dont like individuals and just turn people into their pawns

What im more interested in is Orin and Drifters reunion
Wasnt there an implication they had a thing before she became the Emissary

[slim girder]

Not really a thing more just they knew each other.

[sick yew]

Ah I thought it was supposed to be deeper than that

[slim girder]

I believe so but we don't know the exact extent of that control. Like xur still has will but I always thought that if the nine need something he can just be controlled with the flick of a wrist

[sick yew]

I mean

His will is not his own

[slim girder]

Right but he is still able to act "neutral" if that makes sense until the nine want him somewhere

[lofty badge]

So any guesses where the house of exiles have been the past several years since they showing up in the next dlc and they did use to call the moon home, think they just reformed after we dismantled house dusk?

[hollow fern]

I just realised something, could xur finally break free from the nine

[sick yew]

I wouldnt be so sure

[dim minnow]

I'm not sure he has it in him

[sick yew]

We can hope

My boy deserves it

[slim girder]

Ol tentacle face I fear is too far gone

[little gorge]

i'm more interested in the implication that even the group in the nine that seemingly supports us doesn't have good intentions

[slim girder]

I feel drifters haul is going to be the key. We've used it for pretty much everything nine related.

[dim minnow]

the Nine's primary goal was always to sever their reliance on us

no matter what group they are in

it's just that one group preferred to reach out to us while the other didn't

[slim girder]

^^^^
I believe the process was for them to gather as much dark matter as possible to create some singularity

[little gorge]

my understanding was the group of five wanted to reach some mutually beneficial solution

[dim minnow]

moreso they wanted to study us

so they used agents and emissaries to interact with us

[slim girder]

When I meet a member of the nine I shall punch that big pile of sentient dust for hurting my man xur.

If the nine did decide to take a form I do wonder what that would look like

Like the witness but with the white and blue aesthetic maybe?

[thorny scarab]

So like

Orin basically quit being the emissary

It feels like they’re in the process of making the nerdy guy from the trailer into the next one

Either that or he’s just having some other major problems

[slim girder]

He's "moonsick" as said in vesper which is another way of saying he's been driven to insanity

And being adrift with no one would prolly be the cause of that

[blazing wasp]

(lunatic is called that for a reason)

[thorny scarab]

So he was the person who was transmitting in vespers or was that in the same lore tab

[slim girder]

Yes Lodi was the one transmitting

[lofty badge]

was Lodi also the entity that mind controlled all those fallen into building the anomoly?

[slim girder]

He's calling out for help.

[slim girder]

No. We still don't know what that was

It might be discovered in edge of fate though

[lofty badge]

oh okay cause for a moment i was thinking "why the hell are we helping the guy who mind controlled a lot of fallen who just wanted to live in peace"

[slim girder]

Hell it could very well even be the nine who were pulling the strings

[lofty badge]

likly yeah

[next bobcat]

Ok so chat. Lore-wise, what are the implications of the ARG? Will we revisit it at all or will anything be explained?

[slim girder]

All we know is that it acts a lot like egregore in the sense that it melds minds together

And 1 leader then commands the collective

In vespers case the white captain

[lofty badge]

ARG?

[slim girder]

The Aion puzzle

The website we found through the chessboard

[lofty badge]

ah

[sick yew]

So what exactly was the "twist" that Riven put on Crow's wish

[blazing wasp]

bringing back cayde it seems

[sick yew]

or did she just bank on the fact that Cayde would kill Crow first thing

[blazing wasp]

she didnt need to fuck with it lots

[blazing wasp]

probably not

she genuinely wanted crow to succeed since she wants her clutch to live

[sick yew]

For riven standards that was a pretty damn tame wish yk

[blazing wasp]

to be fair she wouldnt get anything in turn for fucking over crow

[sick yew]

The feeling

[blazing wasp]

it was genuinely out of shits and giggles rather than sustenance and shits and giggles

[sick yew]

Thats the reason they twist wishes in the first place

It makes em feel good

[trim grotto]

Cayde himself. Crow didn't wish for his revival.

[blazing wasp]

not purely out of malice, they actually get something back from twisting wishes

its not just for fun

its absolutely also for fun

[sick yew]

Riven is a bungie writer huh

Checks out

[blazing wasp]

but when they twist wishes, the more they twist the wish while still granting the wish, the more... power? sustenance? they get

riven probably did it to dig back up crows past to fuck with him, he did deeply regret the actions of uldren

[sick yew]

Its like that one Supernatural episode
You get yo wish but with an evil twist

Yes ive been watching Supernatural recently, sue me

[blazing wasp]

(also bungie needed literally any excuse to bring back cayde)

[sick yew]

Thats why I said Riven is a Bungie writer

@trim grotto btw I picked up the CE for Edge of Fate, want me to scan the lore shit for you to dig through when it arrives?

Incase im the first who gets it obviously

[trim grotto]

@clever hill
Osiris was the Warlock Vanguard prior to Ikora Rey, who was once his apprentice. He has since lost his Light, but was once one of the most powerful Lightbearers to exist. He's extremely well versed in the goings on of the Vex, and his obsessions once led to his exile from the Last City.

He currently acts in an advisory role to the Vanguard, and is the partner of Saint-14.

[clever hill]

Yayy

He sounds bad assa

I like him

[sick yew]

Prime Osiris was quite the guy yeah

[trim grotto]

Honestly I had no idea it was even available. I only just became available. But yes! That'd be a fantastic boon.

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-why-head-tilt-eyebrow-raise-trials-of-osiris-gif-23248232

[trim grotto]

bird grandpa

[sick yew]

It dropped last night along with the reveal stream
Had to setup a new bungie store acc cause my old one is broken or sum idfk

But I got it

[trim grotto]

yeah at 3AM
and i get up for work at 5AM haha

[sick yew]

Lmfao

Timezones do be funky

[clever hill]

Ofc I like him

He’s a fellow Chadlock

[trim grotto]

Unfortunately he lost his Ghost, Sagira. During a battle with the remnants of Crota's brood, deep within the Hellmouth, he was trapped by Xivu Arath and her High Celebrant. Sagira sacrificed herself to create a ward of Light, saving his life, but rendering him mortal and Lightless.

He has, however, been learning to use Strand.

[sick yew]

Worthy to note that bro went doom slayer on their asses briefly

Spamming supers and shit

And then Savathun swooped in and took over his body for a solid content year :)

[trim grotto]

hey so i have now see the trailer
is there anything i should look at elsewhere or

[sick yew]

Wdym?

[trim grotto]

like extra info the teaser trailer didn't show

[sick yew]

Theres an ingame cutscene thats already teasing Orins struggles ig

[candid inlet]

alex_maier (ID 315525015380557834)

[Message Link](#🏆destiny-media message) to #🏆destiny-media
Oh also theres a little cutscene you can activate in the rite area

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[sick yew]

Ugh

Hangon

[trim grotto]

to be fair i haven't done the chess stuff yet

[sick yew]

There we go

[trim grotto]

just gonna download that because discord embeds dont play well sometimes

[sick yew]

A timeless classic yeah

"Make known your value, so divided gods may wield you in time" goes quite hard

I believe there are some collectibles inside the dungeons for the new lorebook, not sure if it adds more cutscenes too tho

[next bobcat]

Where and how?

The rite area confuses me tbh

[sick yew]

If you stand infront of Orin turn around back to where you spawned in first time

Left side

Its a floating engram shaped uh thingy

Has some glowing effect

Walk up to it and interact

[next bobcat]

Thanks I’ll do that later

[fresh zephyr]

Renegades mentions an Empire

We’re getting evil Zavala🔥

@blazing wasp told you

[blazing wasp]

Palpatine, zavala, whats the difference

[fresh zephyr]

Exactly

[trim grotto]

uhm akshually pulpyteen is obviously a warlock

[fresh zephyr]

I’m so excited for Renegades

Genuinely looks like my dream come true

[sick yew]

Imagine Bungie just fucks up the Star Wars lore so bad that Guardians are canon and Sith are all arc Warlocks

Thatd be funny

[trim grotto]

as long as it isn't a double edged sword
there are some fucking qualms floating around right now

[fresh zephyr]

New Dredgen too

[sick yew]

Its just gonna be Shin mark my words

[trim grotto]

Cryptarchy's lost a mod over this star wars stuff

[fresh zephyr]

An outer rim sounds so good though, opens up the possibility of a bounty system

[sick yew]

Lmfao

[fresh zephyr]

Like the Tangled Shore’s WANTED

[sick yew]

I wish they had chosen Warhammer instead of sw
Emperor raid boss

[fresh zephyr]

Absolutely not surprised, I presume they thought it was woke too

[slim elk]

What's even the point of Dredgen now anyway?
Guardians be using two flavors of Darkness. Must really be an edge Lord lol

[fresh zephyr]

Idk a Dredgen resurgence sounds awesome

Drifter uses the title to piss them off

Renegades has me believing we may actually get enemy Guardians

[trim grotto]

The mod in question is a friend. Many people are concerned over the corporate nature of the crossover and how it will negatively affect the future of Destiny, as well as having qualms about Disney as a company. "Woke" is... I don't know where that came from.

[jagged badge]

Oh?

[fresh zephyr]

Usually they go hand in hand, sorry to hear though

[trim grotto]

It's extremely irrelevant to the majority of issues people have. Besides, we're a lore server and this is Destiny. "Woke" is part of who we are.

I haven't formed an opinion yet. But I get it.

[jagged badge]

Yeah the Cryptarchy is not the place for anyone who is “anti-woke”

[fresh zephyr]

I think it looks really good, the lightsabers look so cool

[blazing wasp]

havent been much there but from what ive seen cryptarchy seems like a pretty chill place

[trim grotto]

You've fit in well

[fresh zephyr]

I’m just tired of people going online and hating everything, Star Wars, Saint and Osiris. Just let things exist

There’s nothing wrong with it

[slim girder]

impossible

[fresh zephyr]

Real

[sick yew]

Im waiting till its actually out to form my opinion
I dont really like starwars in itself but who knows Bungie might still make this at least decent

I hope for it to be original more than anything cause yeah

[jagged badge]

I think there are valid critiques of this, and it’s reasonable to be against this concept

[trim grotto]

pretty much

[jagged badge]

I also think some people have majorly jumped the gun about it too though

[fresh zephyr]

I’m just very easy going, I like everything

[jagged badge]

I’m like that too tbh

[fresh zephyr]

Or try to

[sick yew]

Naturally with destiny fans

We do love complaining about things we dont have nearly enough information about

[blazing wasp]

a lot of the "jumping the gun" came from not actually paying properly attention to what bungie revealed

thinkin its a star wars dlc

[jagged badge]

I watched the teaser and felt nothing but excitement. Then came on here and saw a warzone

[fresh zephyr]

Even like Curse of Osiris, I always go in with the attempt to find at least one positive thing. It’s the best way to be

[sick yew]

I mean compared to everything we've had in destiny so far thats exactly what it is

[blazing wasp]

it has inspiration from star wars, which appears to mostly be gun and armor

[fresh zephyr]

Blaster exotic!!

[blazing wasp]

the story might be inspired by starwars at most but

it wont literally be starwars like i saw a concerning about of people think

[sick yew]

Itll depend how hard the lean into established starwars stuff but we wont know till theres more info

[fresh zephyr]

I do understand the other view though for people who aren’t into Star Wars

[trim grotto]

I think my personal issue just comes from Disney being a bit of a collar tugger
The theme could be fine - easy enough to work in

[fresh zephyr]

It seems all consuming

[sick yew]

If our guardian shakes hands with luke skywalker im blowing up Disney

[fresh zephyr]

Right?

[blazing wasp]

see people genuinely thought something like this would be possible

[sick yew]

[blazing wasp]

that we'd have the story actually have star wars in it

[sick yew]

It might, we dont know

[fresh zephyr]

The Lightsaber also looks different

There’s no kyber

[blazing wasp]

its unlikely since the dlc wont actually have star wars

[fresh zephyr]

Itseems like arc energy

[sick yew]

They revealed far too little to draw any sort of conclusions

[fresh zephyr]

And putting something into a sword isn’t exactly unheard of

[blazing wasp]

they probably wouldnt have said it wasnt going to be a star wars dlc if it was one

[sick yew]

Ah yes the famous green arc energy

Lmao

[fresh zephyr]

😔

I saw the blue one

Maybe it’s strand

[sick yew]

Strand saber

[slim elk]

We already had a Star Wars dlc even.

[sick yew]

?

[blazing wasp]

saying it has some inspirations from star wars and having actual star wars characters are very different

[fresh zephyr]

It looks like an Imperial ship too

[blazing wasp]

its like plagiarising and saying it draws parallels from that story

[sick yew]

If youre referring to the previous starwars collab thats not a dlc thats a collab of 3 armor sets, ship and some emotes

[fresh zephyr]

I knew John Andor would appear in Destiny

[slim elk]

https://www.dexerto.com/destiny/destiny-2-star-wars-collab-release-date-armor-sets-more-3049185/

Still be decent size collab lol

[sick yew]

Its a purely cosmetic, non canon collab

[trim grotto]

Nobody is calling that a DLC

[sick yew]

That aint a dlc my guy

[blazing wasp]

i suddenly understand why some people think ROTN is a dlc.

[trim grotto]

Basically. It screams corporate, from an infamous coporation at that, and it's immersion harshing in a way we've rarely seen before.

That said... the actual content seems interesting. I'm here for the long haul, and I like what I've seen so far otherwise regardless.

[fresh zephyr]

Okay, I see the view. I get the IP intrusion fear

[sick yew]

Fortnite and its consequences for the TrippleA gaming industry

[fresh zephyr]

You could honestly write an essay on Fortnite and its domino effects

[trim grotto]

Personally though I'm very excited to see how the Orin story goes

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah! Been since Jokers Wild since we saw her

[trim grotto]

Well, Prophecy. But yeah.

[sick yew]

If she has a chance to break free then so does Xur

JUSTICE FOR MY BOY

[trim grotto]

I... don't think he wants to.

[sick yew]

His will shall be his own once more!!!!!

[sick yew]

He does trust

[fresh zephyr]

Can’t believe Chappel Roan is the villain for the DLC

The Giver

[sick yew]

[slim elk]

Here's an oddity
Bungie has a new game coming out that's technically already officially crossed over with Destiny. But there's been no further indication they would do anything with that.

Would give Marathon more of a PR boost

[sick yew]

We raiding the pink pony club???

[fresh zephyr]

Yes!!!!

[jagged badge]

Don’t be silly, how can an exotic shotgun also be a villain?

[fresh zephyr]

HOTTOGO

[trim grotto]

WOW ALEX

[sick yew]

Silence.

[fresh zephyr]

😭

[trim grotto]

Mod
Abuse

this is historical erasure

[sick yew]

Idk what youre talking about

I see no erased messages

No judge is gonna believe you

[little gorge]

they specifically made a point of how "definitively destiny" it is

[jagged badge]

Do I need to be a D2cord moderation whistleblower

[sick yew]

That means absolutely nothing coming from a PR stream

[trim grotto]

to be fair

[sick yew]

Tread lightly

[little gorge]

if you don't trust bungie you shouldn't complain before you see things either

[trim grotto]

well one of you is in the Vanguard and one of you isn't Alex so there

[sick yew]

I neither do nor dont trust Bungie

[sick yew]

Im simply voicing my concerns and will wait for it to actually come out before I form a proper opinion

[jagged badge]

Ruh roh

[sick yew]

fight the power?

That was a bad reference

[next bobcat]

well erm

that's at least just what the fallen call whatever it is

[sick yew]

What if you invite me to that super secret server of yours huh

[trim grotto]

Ask Eris or Ven

[sick yew]

Let me join the cool kids club and you will benefit

[next bobcat]

suspeepee

i am intrigued

[trim grotto]

A moderation server featuring mods from various lore servers, D2cord included, as a way of sharing information about particularly infamous characters who are likely to server hop

Brainchild of yours truly

[next bobcat]

well done

[clever hill]

Who is the witness?

What is he?

[trim grotto]

uno momento

[sleek matrix]

Megamind

[next bobcat]

they. its a whole race of people.

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/Z0CKckjryVI?si=eqE0dvYgERTS9bb3

[next bobcat]

i kid you not, an entire species.

[blazing wasp]

actually it not they

[next bobcat]

hm?

[blazing wasp]

the witness' refered to as an it

[next bobcat]

where?

I could've sworn it was called they in TFS

[blazing wasp]

just about everywhere? i'll give the first example taht comes to mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CBX8TkUZZA

"and shattered its grip on the traveler"

(like 20 seconds in)

[trim grotto]

Despite being formed of many, it is not the sum of its parts. It is a being in and of itself.

[next bobcat]

i see

[sleek matrix]

When it all combined it became something new

[next bobcat]

i feel like i need to point out that font, what is that😭

[blazing wasp]

idk i just grabbed hte first one i could find

[next bobcat]

based

[clever hill]

Why is the player the only one who can wield both light and dark

The player guardian

[blazing wasp]

theyre not

[trim grotto]

Other Guardians can too.

[blazing wasp]

we're the only one who can use prismatic, which seems to just be the ability to... mix?

[trim grotto]

We're the only one so far, to be clear.

[clever hill]

Zavala implies only you can do it in TFS

[blazing wasp]

only us can combine them like we do in prismatic

[clever hill]

Exactly but why

[blazing wasp]

normally using different subclasses, especially light to dark, is like... how to put it

[clever hill]

How

[blazing wasp]

changing a firing mode?

[trim grotto]

We were one of the first to learn to use the Darkness, and certainly one of the most adept, but people have been using Darkness before even we began to in Beyond Light. Just look at Drifter.

[blazing wasp]

we communed with some traveler thing, which might be why

the traveler was undergoing a change mixing light and dark

[clever hill]

We have the legendary power of plot armour

[trim grotto]

Yes, but not here.

[blazing wasp]

plot armor is irrelevant to prismatic

[sick yew]

Plot armor is build into every guardian
Its called paracausality duhh

It came free with your resurrection

[trim grotto]

Prismatic never existed before. The reason we've been able to master it is because of our time and experience in learning to harness Darkness as well as Light. This merging is new, and interactions with the Pale Heart have been limited - other Guardians simply haven't had a chance to learn this power yet.

[blazing wasp]

plot armor is 30% damage resistance

[sick yew]

Additionally 5% per armor charge stack

But your armor charge now decays over time

[trim grotto]

Consider who was in the Pale Heart at the time of the campaign. Zavala does not know Darkness, he was morally opposed to it for centuries. Ikora Rey has been implied to have tried Stasis, certainly not mastered it. Crow does not know Darkness.

Cayde doesn't even have Light.

We were the only one who was in a state to actually use Prismatic.

[sick yew]

I mean the Witness was there but whether influence came from that is questionable

[slim girder]

Prismatic was the wild card against the witness. The whole idea was that the witness was not a master of light and dark, you are.

It was going to take both light and dark to win

[little gorge]

you guys have probably seen this already but the in game preorder tooltip for renegades says it's about a "new dredgen"

[slim girder]

Yes. A thorn lover I'm very interested to see what that means.

Crazy theory but imagine it's jana 14

[fresh zephyr]

Does anyone remember that theory about Rhulk’s helmet, and the symbols. Like he had a Europa one? And it was kind of like CCTV over the planets

[slim girder]

There was a similar theory about Nezarecs eyes as well

[sick yew]

You mean the fact that soe of em looks diff?

Or what

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah

[sick yew]

So how are these supposed to relate to our planets?

[uneven canyon]

What does this symbol mean

I've seen it on a lot of weapons

[dim minnow]

I believe the logo signifies Forces of the City which is the general foundry for various weapons and such

[jagged badge]

General Foundry 🫡

[slim girder]

It's on a lot of stuff on titan so possibly something to do with the facilities there.

[little gorge]

is this that joke from that show i keep getting clips of

[jagged badge]

How I Met Your Mother

I haven’t watched that in years but

The joke has stuck with me

[hollow hinge]

I do it too every time and it feels like no one ever gets the joke lol

[jagged badge]

I’m glad the salute emoji came out to help me illustrate it better haha

[hollow hinge]

joke doesn't work without it haha

[sick yew]

@trim grotto turns out there are additional cutscenes for grabbing the other collectibles

Earth and Venus I guess?

[eager trout]

For the golden engram-shaped collectibles?

How do I see the cutscenes?

[frigid sparrow]

from what I've gathered there's new collectibles in the dungeon that then cause more of the engram-shaped doodads to show up

first cutscene is "free" then presumably the next two are from each collectable

which means we're also gonna get new cutscenes for the next 4 collectibles as well, presumably

[eager trout]

I found both of the engrams though, and no cutscene.

[frigid sparrow]

idk I only checked an esoterrick vid and I saw multiple of the floaty engram doodads where the first one way so

[ember storm]

So you turned around in the Rite of the Nine area and there’s not the floating engram there

[sick yew]

Cutscene shows up if you go into Eternity (destination) walk out of the little cave you spawn and turn around

The engram will be floating there and you just interact

[eager trout]

Ah, ok, thanks

[fresh zephyr]

Genuine question

We’re presuming the Giver is the Octopus

Wait

Lord of Nothing?

I think was the name

[dim minnow]

I doubt it

I'm actually almost certain that the Giver is one of the Nine

since there is a very likely theory that the Nine are based on the enneagram

the enneagram being a model for 9 distinct personality types

[ember storm]

so we're fighting john cena

[dim minnow]

not all members of the Nine could be a threat to us

while true their primary goal is to sever their reliance on us, some might not really want to oppose us

[ember storm]

so we're teaming up with john cena

[eager trout]

This does seem to be the case based on that loretab that has a conversation between them.

[dim minnow]

doesn't the flavor text of the weapon even name drop enneagram?

[eager trout]

Idk

[dim minnow]

"An enneagram tips, poised to shatter"

[eager trout]

Ah

Yeah

Well, I don't remember that

Since I play in Spanish

[next bobcat]

Yeah

Surely we get enneagram engrams

[dim minnow]

enneagrams

[next bobcat]

But that’s just the original word

Would be confusing

[dim minnow]

it serves the pun better though

[next bobcat]

Fair

[little gorge]

enneaengrams

[fresh zephyr]

The Nine don’t seem too dissimilar from the Witness in honesty. Both present us shiny weapons to boost our ego, both guide us without ever telling us anything

[trim grotto]

I mean. There's a mild difference in ideologies.

[fresh zephyr]

At least Mara is upfront about her feelings and opinions

Wait

It was Lost wasn’t it? When she went full like cold and mentioned making Uldren her own personal Lightbearer

[sick yew]

In Lost she barely knew him tbf

It was the first time she properly interacted with Crow

[fresh zephyr]

No like, her original plan was to get Uldren the Light and wield him

From the Kestrel Agers stuff

[sick yew]

Ah, well it do be Mara after all

High time we blow her ass up

No more Awoken seasons

[fresh zephyr]

Oryx kinda did that already😭

How many Awoken are even left

[sick yew]

Well he clearly didnt do it hard enough

[trim grotto]

Plenty. They have cities.

[fresh zephyr]

Surely Oryx wiped out a huge chunk of them

[sick yew]

In total? Unknown cause a ton of em still prob chilling in the black hole

[fresh zephyr]

Oh

[slim elk]

Mara always was "Queen Bitch of the Universe" before encountering the Witness broke her ego.

It was straight up noted in Season of Defiance she ordinarily would never bother personally help rescue random prisoners

[sick yew]

Whats your take on the new cutscenes btw?

Especially the Earth one

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah!! I just found the cutscenes

In the Nine realm?

[sick yew]

The ones that pop up after you grab the collectibles in Spire yes

[sleek matrix]

Does the lore vault have it yet?

[trim grotto]

I haven't really seen them
I haven't had a chance to play this week and also my game is dropping down to 20 frames when I do for reasons I haven't figured out

[fresh zephyr]

I have no idea, but neutrinos is taken?

[sick yew]

I pinged you with em

[sick yew]

Right here my man

I gotchu covered

[trim grotto]

I'll take a gander later

[trim grotto]

Sterile Neutrinos

[jagged badge]

Mael!

[trim grotto]

An Eris

[sick yew]

an Eris?

How many you know

[fresh zephyr]

Many

Timelines

[sick yew]

Might be worth checking out the lorebook pages that drop from the respective cutscene collectibles for more info

[fresh zephyr]

Oh yes!

I wonder what the Nine thought of The Witness

[dim minnow]

They knew it was an existential threat to themselves

[little gorge]

oh you have to grab the collectibles? explains why i havent seen them yet

[frigid lintel]

I have not played since light fall and never did the seasonal content for it, are there any good recaps/youtubers who cover what I missed? I noticed final shape was super discounted so I figured I'd come back to do it.

[dapper moss]

byf

[hot cypress]

you think there might be shrek movie/ media in the destiny lore?

[trim grotto]

Jokes aside, the human past of Destiny is pretty much our history. So while it may not have survived the Collapse... It did likely exist.

[ember storm]

this is part of my theory about clovis' descent into madness being due to lead poisoning from those painted garfield mugs

[empty fern]

Pineapples

[next bobcat]

Why people talking about neutrinos

[wide condor]

can someone please tldr me what we know about the nine so far? i heard that we used to have an activity trials of the nine a few years ago so we did hear about them

[empty fern]

Space dust that played with us then dipped for a few years

[wide condor]

ok and whats the story of Xur? he's supposed to be the agent of the nine but all he's doing is sleeping half week and then selling shitty rolls on the weekend

[empty fern]

Became their puppet or something, hes crooked now cause of a titan I forgot, theres some lore books in game but I forgot which one

[wide condor]

oh ok

and Dares of Eternity was created by the nine

thats all we know about the nine so far?

[dim minnow]

Dares of Eternity is weird

[dim minnow]

Orin (who would later become the Emissary of the Nine) was the one who crippled Xur

[dim minnow]

the Nine are clouds of sentient space dust that are bound to the gravity of Sol's planets and Sun

and they are reliant on the life that lives within them

if all life on Sol dies out, so do the Nine

they have been trying to find a way out of this

at first, five of them attempted to try and understand paracausality by studying the Guardians

they were the ones who used agents and emissaries to interact with us

then there were four of them who tried to create a singularity so they can create their own worlds to rely on away from any danger

though it seems that with the Witness's defeat, they started to divide even further

[wide condor]

and the drifter is related to this story because the emissary (orin) is communicating with him?

and what kind of danger can affect them? from the dev insight on tuesday they sounds pretty invincible

[dim minnow]

for starters, they NEED us to live

without life in Sol, they cease to be

[wide condor]

why?

ok but if some enemy kills all guardians/people its not gonna collaps the solar system

[dim minnow]

no, it will just kill the Nine

of course, we can;t really go with this route since it means we will be dead as well

it is worth mentioning that not all the Nine are really malevolent towards us

we don't know who exactly yet

[wide condor]

so why we bothered fighting all these enemies we could just tell xur listen useless this guy is treatening us, tell the nine to kill them while we're fighting each other in the crucible

[dim minnow]

but the idea Bungie seems to be getting at is that each member of the Nine are an individual with their own ideas

[dim minnow]

the Nine are very inefficient in deciding how they act and what they tell us

plus, their understanding of our world is not perfect

there is a lot about us they don't yet comprehend

[wide condor]

gotcha

sounds like the next dlc is gonna be super interesting

[dim minnow]

another thing to note

so it isn't 100% yet, but it is heavily implied that the personalities for each member of the Nine are based on the enneagram

the Division sidearm's lore tab is about the growing division between the members of the Nine and the weapon's flavor text specifically mentions the term

furthermore, we know that the House of Exile in Edge of Fate are following an entity called "The Giver"

so it is likely that Edge of Fate will have us encounter one of the Nine who is designated as the Giver on the Enneagram

[wide condor]

nice

ok im reading a summary of the last 3 episodes because i pretty much stopped playing at the final shape finale

all that happened since then is echos of the Witness were found, someone tried to use it to control some group, we killed him and neutralized that echo, and thats about it

right?

nothing else i should know about the story progress?

[dim minnow]

one Echo was found by Maya Sundaresh who used it to take control over the Vex on Nessus. Her plan was to spread the radiolaria under her command all over Sol to usher in her idea of a new Golden Age. She also wanted to find her wife, but she was so deluded that she killed her when she found her. We end up stopping her plans, but she escaped with the Echo.

Another was found by Fikrul who wanted to use it to turn living Eliksni into Scorn and become the Kell of Kells. Eventually, Eido makes a tonic that allowed us to kill him for good. Then, the echo chooses Eramis to wield it. After she used it to cure Mithrax of his ailment, she left Sol with the echo so she can make a new home for the Eliksni without us.

The last echo ended up in the Dreadnaught and it turned out to be a memory of Oryx. Eris Morn wanted to capture the echo so she could hopefully remove Oryx from it and even use it to freely traverse the Ascendant Plane, but the echo had other plans, so it broke free. In the end, the echo was tired of it all and wanted us to destroy it, so we did.

we don't know for sure how many of them there were, but these are all the ones we knew of so far

[wide condor]

cool thanks a lot 🙂

[silk nova]

I missed out so much

I kinda burned out post TFS

[dim minnow]

these are basically the most basic summaries I can come up with

so there are plenty of other details, but this is basiclaly what had happened with each echo

[frigid sparrow]

there likely are other echoes, but I'd expect them to just be relegated to minor things like strikes or dungeoons rather than whole plotlines

[dim minnow]

the epilogue cutscene for TFS only showed three come out, however another cutscene showed more

but Ikora has said that the Valence is now doing nothing so we shouldn't ecpect any more Echoes to appear

[frigid sparrow]

to theorize:
Edge of Fate is not gonna have anything to do with them, unless the nine physically allowing us to travel through multidimensional timey wimey stuff is spurred by the power of an echo, but tbh they could probably just do that anyways
Ash and Iron won't have it since it's a return to plaguelands, and there's genuinely zero connection I could think of with the witness/black fleet there
Renegades could possibly have it, the idea of a sole dredgen having that power could be interesting, but I think it's gonna be more down-to-earth and not have that kind of supernatural element to it
Shadow and Order is the most likely to have one majorly involved, assuming it's a Cabal plot and the reamining psions really want echoes

[dim minnow]

at this point, I don't really think the Echoes are going to have an actual role in the story until the Conductor or Eramis show up again

[unique rain]

quick question: so oryx created the takens, which he claims "Taken IS Hive", and we know that Eris wielded hive magic to a point, she briefely transformed into the most powerful Hive has ever been;

is it possible for the Guardian to wield Taken power to a point that it becomes a subclass?

[ember storm]

That is not what the statement means no

Oryx is proclaiming the taken to be “Hive” in a ceremonial sense, in the way that they embody the sword logic through his will

[unique rain]

what about that echo room theory of slone?

[ember storm]

I don’t know what that means

[unique rain]

when I was watching the story of the heresy walkthrough, slone has briefely talked about the nature of taken as she experienced, it's like taken will serve whoever strongest, like Minions

[ember storm]

it's more than that

[unique rain]

so what if the guardians take up the title?

[ember storm]

and the fact of the matter is that it is simply not going to work like that

you can communally control taken

they follow one master, singular

the power to take is the power to rip things out of their natural place, break them down into their basic components, and reshape them to your will

it is the exact opposite of what guardians embody anyway

also taken can only have one master, it can't be something that's shared

[unique rain]

i guess we won't have a necromancer subclass anytime soon.

[ember storm]

that isn't related to taking anyway

how would that even work as a subclass

[unique rain]

i was thinking if we can wield taken energy as a whole subclass we can just take enemy mob to fight for us

instead of throwing grenades we summon taken sreeb/thraw/explosive-shank

[ember storm]

well taken have to be living biological things

scorn are puppeted corpses and shanks are entirely metal and code

[unique rain]

taken vex:

[ember storm]

vex are biological

that is the entire point of their existence

radiolaria IS vex in their primal form

[unique rain]

didn't vex also have explosive units?

[ember storm]

the machines are shells they construct for themselves

[ember storm]

supplicants are explosive harpies and fanatics are goblins/hobgoblins filled with volatile radiolaria

hydra chassis are also designed to self destruct on death

[unique rain]

yeah those, but i think you've explained enough how we won't be able to wield taken energy as a necromancer subclass,

i was thinking if we by any chance will have a new darkness subclass at all, and both taken and nightmare comes to my mind, but i'm not sure how nightmare even works

if anything, the leviathan of calus only makes things more complicated

[ember storm]

nightmare power was teased in the postcampaign for FS, if it does happen it'll probably just be weird energy constructs

[frigid sparrow]

Bungie likes to make new stuff for the subclasses, rather than existing powers

[lean comet]

Nightmare or Finality would be a mega cool red third dark damage type/subclass

[frigid sparrow]

Partially because it's fresh and partially because if we got smth like resonance, they're gonna have to chance every resonance attack into resonance and that's just annoying

[lean comet]

Yeah ig

Still, it would make sense

[frigid sparrow]

Like. Imagine we get a taken subclass.

Now, imagine EVERY SINGLE SOURCE OF POTENTIAL TAKEN DAMAGE

That, because they have the subclass as a damage type, they're obligated to now change

[lean comet]

Yeah I think nightmare damage would work better

Not too much to change, it’s red, it’s cool, and it makes sense

[frigid sparrow]

This also accounts for weapon types, where we already have taken guns

.. and also nightmare guns

(and the scythe)

[lean comet]

Well yeah but we do have coldheart as arc even though there’s stasis

[frigid sparrow]

There is unironically lore reason for this

[lean comet]

Still

And the sythe would just be one thing

Especially since they can just re add a new type for new content when there’s really no way to use it but a niche crucible gamemode

[frigid sparrow]

Also- stasis isn't just ice. It's not just "oo brr cold"

[lean comet]

I know

[ember storm]

coldheart is a high power fusion laser

it's so hot that the gun would literally melt without a constant stream of the most effective coolant designed by humanity (hence the name)

[frigid sparrow]

The omolon self-promotion is the real damage

[lean comet]

That’s actually mega cool

[ember storm]

its been a hot minute since weve had a genuine coldheart stasis in here

had to nip it in the bud

anyway the gun is shit and delicate tomb solos

[lofty badge]

lore wise are there still fallen on the moon?

[ember storm]

yea

[bleak crow]

Is this what the collapse looked like?
Are we going to be able to see the collapse happen?

[trim grotto]

A) Probably, yes
B)

Certainly a fantastic shot though

[bleak crow]

This shit is gunna be peak

not fucking $100 dollars peak, but definitely peek

[ember storm]

Was glasses man literally just on his way to his 9-5 when shit went down

Looks like a suit

[bleak crow]

imagine going to work and seeing this shit

[slow berry]

It's never been supposed to be stasis

It's called Coldheart because it uses a cooling mechanism for the reactor that shoots out the electricity

[bleak crow]

Doesn’t it shoot a beam of ice tho?

[slow berry]

Nvm someone got it already oops

[slow berry]

No

it shoots electricity

[ember storm]

Its cold fusion

Which is

The opposite of cold actually

[slow berry]

hence, yknow, being arc

[bleak crow]

[ember storm]

If you know anything about fusion

[bleak crow]

my life is a lie

[ember storm]

It’s nuclear power

Which of course means it needs a constant source of coolant or else

Bad thing

[bleak crow]

the power of the sun, in the palm of my hand

[ember storm]

So omolon crafted the ammo to double as the coolant

Cooling the device as you shoot it

Which is why it freezes over the moment you stop pulling the trigger

[bleak crow]

did the collapse happen at the same time?
or was it like plant to plant one at a time?

[slow berry]

It was a series of events as the Witness' forces closed in on Earth

[bleak crow]

Oh so it didn’t all happen at exactly the same time?

[slow berry]

It happened faster than Humanity could have ever had a chance to stop it but it still took some time

[bleak crow]

[ember storm]

This is fake cross could never have such a chiseled jawline

[ember storm]

Specifically nezarec because he is the pain man and wanted to specifically inflict pain

[bleak crow]

I’m quoting this

[ember storm]

He could’ve just had the pyramids nuke everything, but instead he unleashed natural disasters, plagues, rot, threw entire planets and moons out of their natural orbit

[bleak crow]

where did he even come from?

like why is he here now

[ember storm]

That’s like the point of the dlc isn’t it

Why are you asking me

All we have is that trailer

[bleak crow]

no

the fucking new light guy

[ember storm]

oh he was invented on the spot because red war was gone and bungie needed some kind of tutorial

so you get the new light experience

Shaw Han has no substantial feats or accomplishments

He bought his ahamkara bones from a street vendor

Fraud and idiot

[bleak crow]

He’s gunna have a comeback story

trust

Generational comeback

[bleak crow]

So is he a guardian?

[ember storm]

Have you really never done BL or gone to the cosmodrome

he’s a gunslinger hunter that uses YAS

you can just go up to him

[bleak crow]

I haven’t interacted with him at all

[ember storm]

he’s the cosmodrome vendor

[bleak crow]

I haven’t actually been to the chromosome since red war

[ember storm]

It didn’t exist during the red war

They have never been available at the same time

[bleak crow]

idk, I haven’t gone to anywhere on earth in a while

like since beyond light came out

[bleak crow]

What does he even give you?

Anything good?

[versed orbit]

not really

he's like the new light vendor

[bleak crow]

Not even an exotic?

[versed orbit]

i think he gives exotics

through quests or some shit

[bleak crow]

damn

useless ass mf

[next bobcat]

i just realised

ghosts of the deep

because ghost

trying to resurrect oryc

[ember storm]

Ghosts and deep have double meaning yes

Oryx is a ghost of the past and there are literally ghosts in there, deep refers to both the depth of the ocean and The Deep

[cloud glacier]

apparently the lore behind the Red War goes back to Taken King

there’s like one terminal or smth like that

where’s the terminal?

[ember storm]

It was a post campaign mission

And it’s not a direct cause

[trim grotto]

Ah, I believe I know what you mean. There's a couple of things. One speaking of the Emperor and also referring to who we believe must be Ghaul, and another being the origin of the information that led to the creation of the Cage

I'll get into the details later I've got to organise some things at home haha

[ember storm]

The traveler was reportedly on Ghaul’s radar for a while, though

He said he studied it for years

Which would be pretty awkward if he specifically just meant ~2

[eager trout]

Technically the Star Wars crossover things can be explained by someone finding Star Wars and deciding to make things based on it

[ember storm]

The ornament set isn’t canon

[eager trout]

Everything is canon

[slow berry]

it's fenchurch shit

they ever explain why eververse has all that stuff

it's just magic as far as anyone is concerned

[eager trout]

What?

[cloud glacier]

a combination of magic and pay2win goodness

Tess Everis is running a monopoly

[slow berry]

fenchurch provides the goods for eververse

[cloud glacier]

she’s producing bootleg versions of weapons that she then sells as the real deal

imagine

imagine if Eververse is secretly just a black market for bootleg guns

[eager trout]

Who's that?

[slow berry]

tess' uncle

[eager trout]

Ah

[cloud glacier]

I smell a conspiracy afoot

[eager trout]

I'm gonna buy Solid Luminiscence

[trim grotto]

Fenchurch Everis, a Warlock who Tess and Fenchurch happily assumed are related to one another (but might not be)

[cloud glacier]

lol

[cloud glacier]

sounds like the plot of a K-drama

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/silver

[slow berry]

eververse stuff is all basically jokes

no real point looking into it

the explanation is "it's eververse stuff"

[cloud glacier]

magic

[eager trout]

So you're saying the 362 Awoken weapon ornaments aren't authentic Awoken technology??

[slow berry]

they might be!

[cloud glacier]

imagine

but like

[slow berry]

ultimately the whole thing boils down to "eververse has weird stuff that guardians like because of drip"

[cloud glacier]

explain how Tess and Fenchurch have time to get so many Awoken weapon ornaments

Tess Everis literally runs the place 24/7

across different games too

[eager trout]

What games??

[slow berry]

destiny 1

Question for the people that comb through the finer details: did Eris ever get her ship back?

[eager trout]

She lost it?

[slow berry]

You lost it

Cayde-6 borrows it from Eris on your behalf in an attempt to sneak into the Dreadnaught during the Taken War

You do make it into the ship but it gets omegablasted to hell

[cloud glacier]

yea

the cloaking technology didn’t work

how did the Guardian even make it back from that anyway

[slow berry]

it worked!

just

[cloud glacier]

did they just…have another ship?

[slow berry]

not forever

[slow berry]

you plant transmat markers

iirc

[cloud glacier]

and then Cayde-6 is not allowed to do anything for the rest of the mission for insubordination

because he did all of this without Zavala’s knowledge or permission

the way Cayde realises “oh shit I f-ed up” and then turns to Zavala “can I get permission” like nothing ever happened is so funny

[empty fern]

Oh we talking about the opening of taken king?

[next bobcat]

Classic cayde

[cloud glacier]

yea

Cayde’s like the funniest character in Destiny

he’s literally your British humour guy

[trim grotto]

british?

[cloud glacier]

think Rowan Atkinson

should Cayde have been a professional comedian

[trim grotto]

No, like
I meant he isn't british

[cloud glacier]

I meant his humour sounded like British humour

I know he isn’t British; I can recognise an American accent any day

[cloud glacier]

I have questions about the Traveler

is it alive or not

is it on our side or not

what did the game mean by “sacrifice” if it’s still alive?

what exactly has the Traveler been protecting by just sitting there like a squatting duck? (other than the Guardians through the Ghosts)

also, when did they start referring to the Solar System as Sol?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[trim grotto]

Depends on the scenario. If you mean the Collapse, it pushed back the Darkness at the climax of the Collapse, but this effort rendered it comatose for centuries.

[trim grotto]

It created Ghosts to protect us. It pushed back the Black Fleet both during the Collapse and during the end of Arrivals. It shielded the Last City from the debris of the destruction of the Almighty.

[trim grotto]

It's a pretty common sci fi trope to differentiate our solar system from others given that they're all solar systems

Like how we say the Moon is Luna

i'll elaborate more in a jiffy

[cloud glacier]

sure

[trim grotto]

Alrighty which point would you like covered in further detail

Now that I'm free

[sick yew]

How deeply are the Nine bound to their respective Planets?

Say I blow up Venus would that hurt that specific Nine?

[trim grotto]

Well unless something has come up very recently that I've missed, there was never anything tying them to specific planets as individuals

So

[sick yew]

They just chose them

[jagged badge]

Actually you are now £1.50

[sick yew]

Damn thats cheap

May I buy him

[cloud glacier]

now you cost 99p

[jagged badge]

Do I come with a Flake?

[cloud glacier]

you come with a Hadium Flake

[sick yew]

You come with a coupon code for the next purchase

[jagged badge]

Hmm

[trim grotto]

Uh well no, like
You wouldn't call a member of the Nine, Mars, or Jupiter
Dust describes the Nine as loops created by the gravitational pull of Sol and its celestial bodies, but it doesn't describe them as connected to specific, individual planets

This might change, of course

But as it is, we don't know them as having particularly grand connections to specific celestial bodies

[sick yew]

Might just be the style chosen for the new cutscenes but we see visuals of a specific planet accompanied by the text of the representative Nine

[trim grotto]

That would be the something new
I forgot to watch those

[sick yew]

Attempt three then

Here ya go

[trim grotto]

Well, if the Nine are bound to particular locations, then that would bring me back to a point from The Witch, and an accompanying theory attached

[sick yew]

The Venus one seems to be concentrated on the vog entrance but the Earth one is both EDZ and Cosmodrome again this could be stylistic choices cause bla bla recognizable landmarks

Also id like to hear your thoughts on the text of the Earth one specifically

[trim grotto]

In passing, Lavinia sees the entire history of the Queen's interactions with the Nine: more than anyone suspected, and more vital. She sees how one of the Nine blinded Guardians to Ghaul's approach, risking everything (for Ghaul would have destroyed the sun, and the Nine with it) to learn how to steal the Light. She sees how that one was punished.
A fairly common theory is that this passage citing punishment is often theorised to be referring to the Almighty's consumption of Mercury

If the Nine are in fact closely tied to specific planets, then we could suggest that Mercury-The-Nine was the one who blinded us, and was harmed for it by the subsequent actions of the Almighty.

[trim grotto]

While it doesn't mention sterile neutrinos, it's very possible that there's a deeper affliction of Darkness/Taken energy taking root on Earth, possibly from the tainted Shard of the Traveler. This member of the Nine appears more caring, but is suffering.

[hazy veldt]

What was the emissary’s name when she was a titan

[trim grotto]

Orin.

[hazy veldt]

Thanks

[trim grotto]

"Alive" probably depends on your particular definition given that it's not exactly made of flesh, but it's certainly entirely sentient and aware. A thinking, emotional being.

[cloud glacier]

ooh

sounds cool

is there anything about who made the Traveler?

or how the Traveler came into being?

[trim grotto]

Not unless you take Unveiling at face value, but Unveiling is a tale largely told as a metaphor. That book aside, the Traveler existed even prior to the Precursors of the Witness, making it and the Veil the oldest existing things known to us in all of our histories.
The Traveler is also described as being made with electroweak material, a hypothetical material that would have existed during the Big Bang. It is not impossible that it has, in some form or another, always existed.

[trim grotto]

People have debated the morals of the Traveler since the launch of the game, but I would say it is objectively on our side.

The Traveler is a being with a purpose, and that purpose is to terraform and uplift. It cares for the beings that it tends to.
Some argue that it is morally ambiguous at best for abandoning the Eliksni, leading to the Whirlwind and the destruction of their civilisation, but the Dreams of Alpha Lupi describe the abandonment as done out of love - it left them in an attempt to draw the Black Fleet away. This, of course, failed.

With us, it chose a different path - it stood by our side and saved the remnants of Humanity from extinction by ending the Collapse in a final climactic action that banished the Black Fleet, created the Ghosts, and rendered the Traveler comatose for centuries. Even the Speakers could no longer understand it, until one eventually created the Mask of the Speaker that helped "tune" the "white noise" into visions.

The Traveler did not awake until the Red War, when it broke its chains and banished Dominus Ghaul - shattering its shell in the process, once more rendering it dormant until the end of the Season of Arrivals.

and now i will go cook some kinda rice dish

[cloud glacier]

oh wow

thanks :D

[jagged badge]

Pineapple fried rice?

[trim grotto]

No, three eyes, no pineapple

[silk nova]

so how powerful are the Nine

aka the sentient dust

[slim girder]

We don't know exactly. We've never really seen them demonstrate any kind of power before. They've always been observers to the universe always watching to see how things play out and using pawns to give us messages.

The only thing we know from some lore is that they can "boil your brain"

[silk nova]

from what I see, they usually get other ppl to do their dirty work

like Xur and the Emissary

[silk nova]

dark matter shi i guess

[slim girder]

Exactly. It's more about using others to speak for them

Like the emmisary has done until now it looks like

[silk nova]

im trying to wrap my head around the concept of the Nine tbh

like they’re dust but they’re impactful enough to make a whole saga about

[slim girder]

They've always been an enigma to the destiny universe so don't stress too much but now as they're becoming a bigger part of the story I would assume we'll be learning a lot more about them

Lodi in edge of fate looks to have maybe been driven insane by visions from them.

Or maybe just driven insane by the nine to be used as another pawn.

[silk nova]

The Nine are mostly dark matter right

am I right in assuming that dark matter doesnt fall within either Light or Darkness

[next bobcat]

Both correct

[slim girder]

Yes. Dark matter is just a substance of our universe

It's not a paracausal force like light or dark

[next bobcat]

basically, if it could be real, it's not paracausal

if it couldn't be real, it's paracausal

[trim grotto]

True! A big part of what the Nine seek is independence from their bonds of life and gravity, and some of the Nine have attempted to do so by seeking out Paracausality. Ahamkara wishes, for example - not that it worked out for them.

They themselves, however, are not paracausal.

[cloud glacier]

I reached the mission where the message is sent to the head of the Cabal Empire (Ghaul)

for those who wanna know, it’s part of the Legion Beachhead quest in D1

it’s a distress signal that resulted from the completion of the Shield Brothers strike

which will then lead to the events of Red War

[trim grotto]

yeppers
and that sure was a series of events

[cloud glacier]

The Taken King was gooooood

The House of Wolves was a step in the right direction

The Taken King was the first Destiny story that felt properly fleshed out

not to mention it gave Cayde-6 his iconic personality and comedy

it also felt like a natural continuation of The Dark Below

and it and TDB expanded quite a lot on Eris as a character

which was also helped by the absolute beast of a voice actor that was cast for her