📚lore-discussion

[slim girder]

He's more a faction/consensus leader

A voice of the city

[sick yew]

Its an understandable misconception

[sick yew]

A dictator according to some

[river creek]

I should probably play d1

Wait can you even buy it anymore on console

[slim girder]

You need disc copies

[river creek]

fuck

im assuming they don't make new copies anymore correct

[slim girder]

No

[river creek]

damn

[slim girder]

Destiny 1 officially stopped all kind of content development after the age of triumph event. Then everything was poured into D2

[river creek]

oh

[slim girder]

D1 is still very much alive though. PvP lobbies are dodgy but if you have friends you can still definitely have some fun in the game.

Or do just the main content solo

[hollow hinge]

No?

[slim girder]

I haven't seen destiny 1 on the PS store anymore. Maybe it's just my region

[hollow hinge]

It doesn't pop up in recommendations perhaps but it's still purchasable

[slim girder]

Interesting. I remember I tried to look it up and got nothing. If it is still on the store though then great.

[sick yew]

Ball Destiny

My beloved

[errant tapir]

Hello, i have come back from the dead just to ask this question.

Is savathun dead now?

[trim grotto]

No.

[errant tapir]

F

Have we met her again and you know kick her ass for the several times?

i left before heresy came online

[trim grotto]

She was on our side during Final Shape. We've only come to odds again this Episode. But, no.

[errant tapir]

So we met her again in Heresy?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[errant tapir]

ooo

can you share a link regarding to that?

i wanna see the interaction

[trim grotto]

Uh, there are numerous. She's all over Act 3.

[jagged badge]

https://youtu.be/U6Wys3rnrm8?si=dGbIdLBUTLyoKSxj

At 3:50

That’s our first interaction with her this episode

[errant tapir]

how about the other ones?

[jagged badge]

You can have a look on the Destiny Lore Vault channel yourself if you wish

Through the story and through all the random Nether/Court dialogues

[errant tapir]

who is savathun's sister again?

[trim grotto]

Xivu Arath, Hive God of War.

[errant tapir]

oh yeah thanks

Can you guys provide a sinopsis on what's happening in Heresy?

I left when the mirror dungeon is a thing, the richochet shotgun

[trim grotto]

That was only last Episode

[jagged badge]

You want a full synopsis of the whole plot of the episode?

[errant tapir]

Yes !

[jagged badge]

Eris and Drifter investigated activity in the Dreadnaught by Saturn, while we investigated Taken activity in the EDZ. We discovered entirely new Taken, as all Taken we have fought previously were Taken by Oryx. We also discover an Eversion Anchor, sent to Earth from the Dreadnaught, bypassing the distance through the Ascendant Plane. This anchor is intended to fire a pulse that would be very problematic for Earth. Investigating the anchor, we traverse through the Ascendant Plane and find ourselves on the Dreadnaught. There, a Dread commander called Kiet’ehr, aka The Resonant Knife, First of the Reshaped, ambushes Eris and Drifter, and kills Eris, dragging her through the Dreadnaught. Drifter gives chase, but he is also killed. We find their bodies and stop a ritual, driving the Resonant Knife away. Drifter’s Ghost is able to resurrect him, but Eris has no Ghost - she’s proper dead.
Or is she? We, the player, get to witness a cutscene of Eris waking up in this strange green world, where she laughs a cathartic laugh of relief at her apparent survival

And that is just the first mission of Act 1 lmao

Perhaps I need to condense this down better

[sick yew]

Eris and Drifter go on a lovely date on the Dreadnaught except the Resonant Knife is a huge hater and wont allow it so it decides to stab the shit out of Eris and so she dies and Drifter is sad

Here you go, act 1

[errant tapir]

Remind me again, what is a dread?

a new species we've encountered?

[sick yew]

A species the Witness "created" during the Final Shape dlc

Basically a bunch of already existing races mixed and mashed into new beings

here they all are

Theyre essentially their own faction

[jagged badge]

That Stasis Subjugator has so much sauce in that image

[slim girder]

Now that the witness is dead they have been looking for new power

[sick yew]

Posing like a chad

[slim girder]

Crazy theory.
That's the same subjugator we dealt with in this episode

[errant tapir]

oooo

[jagged badge]

No

[errant tapir]

so the dreads are the subjugators and such?

[sick yew]

Nah

Theres others aswell

Like the flying pieces of shit straight outta hell itself

[jagged badge]

Husks, Grim, Attendants, Weavers, Subjugators and Tormentors

[slim girder]

Husks, grim, weavers/attendants and tormentors

[sick yew]

And the knife dudes also straight out of hell

[errant tapir]

ah yes

i remembered those from dual destiny

[sick yew]

Yeah

[errant tapir]

the flying shit gave me tinnitus and when i realised i jump over a bridge, i fucked up

[sick yew]

Fr

Burn them all

But yeah turns out Eris isnt actually that dead (but we dont know that)

[errant tapir]

what kind of dread is it? a solar/arc one?

[sick yew]

Theres only Stasis and Strand

This one being Stasis

[errant tapir]

ohh

the little knife suicide buddies huh

[sick yew]

Huh?

Oh wait

Yeah those dont really have an element per say

[errant tapir]

i'm having trouble visualizing the dread

can you guys give me a yt link/image to satisfy me?

[sick yew]

I think they do solar damage but that aint their "element" the same way the Subjugators use Strand or Stasis

[sick yew]

Literally this

Thats the Dread

The whole faction right there

[errant tapir]

ohhhh

no, i meant the dread commander lul

[sick yew]

The Dread Commander relevant in Episode 3 is just a Stasis Subjugator like the middle most entity in that picture

[jagged badge]

She’s a Stasis Subjugator

[errant tapir]

ohhh

wait wait wait

[sick yew]

Shes got like a slightly diff head shape and some slight taken type glow on their legs

But thats about it

[errant tapir]

she's part dread part taken now?

[sick yew]

Thats the implication yeah

[jagged badge]

Oh yeah, this subset of the Dread were involved in Taken shenanigans. Supposedly, there is a new voice in the Deep commanding the Taken. The Resonant Knife wasn’t the main leader, but following this other voice

[errant tapir]

okay okay, i fought it many times in DD. i'm remembering now

[jagged badge]

You didn’t

[sick yew]

Well one of her sisters

[errant tapir]

[sick yew]

Not her specifically

[jagged badge]

The Resonant Knife is new, we’ve never fought her before this episode

[sick yew]

I swear Eris flipping Trust like shes mf Revolver Ocelot always gets me

[errant tapir]

what is voice in the deep again? is it like riven stuff?

[sick yew]

Some kind of rather powerful entity, not connected to Riven tho

We dont know who or what exactly that entity is

Prob gonna find out uh at some point soon™️

[errant tapir]

why do we call it voice in the deep? is deep a place?

[sleek matrix]

Ascendant plane

In this context

[jagged badge]

No

[errant tapir]

ahhh the next witness, the next final boss i assume hehe

[sick yew]

Maybe? Maybe not

[jagged badge]

The Deep generally refers to “The Darkness”

[sick yew]

Again its hard to tell at this point

[sleek matrix]

To early to tell

[sleek matrix]

It has a few meanings

It depends on the context

[errant tapir]

just a quick question, do u collect/save cutscenes ingame and download it to your storage for lore documentation things?

[jagged badge]

I save some cutscenes I like

I don’t do it for ‘official’ archival

The Destiny Lore Vault does all that archival type stuff

[sick yew]

You literally star in the cutscene so it makes sense youd keep it

[jagged badge]

Yeah

Had to get a cutscene of my namesake being badass (and then being killed)

[sick yew]

Why did you try to kill a Subjugator with a primary Eris

Your death could have been avoided by pulling out Queenbreaker

[errant tapir]

[jagged badge]

It’s the secret meta. Trust

[errant tapir]

or maybe take the subjugator with you with the stasis grenade launcher vesper host

[sick yew]

I still have the og Trust with mf dropmag so trust me ik

[errant tapir]

so ik that place from the raid. It is in dreadnaught yes? oryx's ship. Drifter dive into the deeper part?

[sick yew]

Yeah

We go after em, resurrect Drifter who starts crying over his dead gf

[jagged badge]

The Dreadnaught is sorta explorable in the new activity, The Nether

[errant tapir]

okay now i understand

okay okay thanks.

i'll be seeing you guys in the next major update lmao

[sick yew]

You missed like a good 3rd of the seasonal story but no worries

[errant tapir]

yeah i realized that

but hey, i got you guys

why do i wanna search google when i can ping and summon a whole lore enthusiast

🤣

[sick yew]

Fr

[slim girder]

You still got like over 2 months to catch up.

No rush

[queen juniper]

Just a theory, but since during season of the witch, we made xivu arath mortal, we could potentially have her as a raid/dungeon(most likely raid) boss

Just something cool to consider since we already have the witness gone and shes the next most powerful being if im not mistaken

[empty fern]

Xivu breaks into the vault holding the quill of the taken tablet and uses it to make herself a new special type of taken
Boom, big raid boss

[queen juniper]

Wouldnt she be hive instead of taken since oryx/riven specialises in taking?

Even for crota and savathun, neither of them had any relations to taken, so it would make sense she wouldnt either

[empty fern]

I guess, maybe she’d write something new with the quill

[trim grotto]

Taken also flock to powerful wills. Savathûn has commanded Taken in the past, and to great effect - all the way from the Red War to... Roughly the Shadowkeep era.

[frigid sparrow]

Wasn't Savathun's commanding of the taken through Dul Incaru and Quria though?

[trim grotto]

Mostly Quria. It was the perfect general. But, that's not the only way to command a Taken.

They actively seek those of strong will. Even Mara hypothesised she could command them.

[eager trout]

Which game had the Black Heart first?

[frigid sparrow]

d1

final boss of that campaign

[eager trout]

Ok, thanks

It's supposed to be Darkness the Witness gave to the Vex so they could try to recreate the Veil, right?

[trim grotto]

Close enough. The Witness provided the Sol Divisive with a "seed" that was supposed to have become the Veil. Instead, it failed, and made the Black Heart.

Nevertheless, it was still dangerous and did have a connection to the Traveler.

[eager trout]

So that confirms the Veil is a plant

[trim grotto]

I wouldn't take it quite that literally.

[ember storm]

seems more fungus anyhow given what we know of egregore

[eager trout]

Speaking of which, what exactly does Egregore do?

[frigid sparrow]

long story short: links the mind to things it connects to

[eager trout]

And why does it grow like a fungus?

[dim minnow]

it can take the form of coral as well

[eager trout]

Coral is basically fungus in that we have no idea what it is

Grows like a plant

Both reproduce similarly

[frigid sparrow]

OWL-1-ShLi: BUT a certain Hidden contact, Eris Morn, has informed me that the fungus is similar to a synapse within a nervous system. She claims it is a physical manifestation of the Darkness, like Stasis. But unlike Stasis, it appears to be an "impure" manifestation—her words, not mine.
via eidolon shell

[trim grotto]

It's been a minute since I've researched Egregore, but let's see...
Think of Egregore as... Living, fungal Darkness. It grows in places ripe with Darkness and death.
Egregore is all interconnected with itself, no matter the distance. A shared mindspace stretched across the universe. Thus, anyone who partakes in Egregore Spores - which we have done many times, particularly in Presage - will, for a short time, become one with that spared space. We are connected to the fungal Mindscape of Egregore and Darkness.

[trim grotto]

Owl Sector trying to outdo the Cryptarch, eh? I'll show them

[eager trout]

Honestly, now that makes it weird that the Veil seemed to have been "growing" around the Traveler

What if they're not naturally supposed to be together?

[trim grotto]

One of the widest theories is that the Traveler and Veil were once one entity. The fact that even the failed copy of the Black Heart had a connection to the Traveler as well is rather notable.

But, that's a very good question. What if it was one with the Traveler, but as more of a parasite?

No way to know at this time, of course, but it'd throw Unveiling under even more busses than it already has been.

[eager trout]

I mean, if Unveiling was given to us by the Witness...

More Witness slander

[eager trout]

Given the nature of Darkness, the Veil being a parasite makes a lot of sense

[trim grotto]

I don't entirely agree but it's interesting to consider

[eager trout]

Light is about giving and has to be given to you, while Darkness is about taking and has to be taken to use, which, now that I think about it, might be the way the Witness would have corrupted the Guardians with Stasis. The Witness gave Stasis/Darkness to us and the Eliksni, but it was only usable with the Pyramid technology, so technically we never "had" it. The Guardian, however, learned how to use it without the Pyramid tech by "taking" control, hence no longer being vulnerable to the Witness.

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-vex-robot-gif-14918360

[next bobcat]

interesting
if it used to be one, when did it split?

[dim minnow]

when it was struck with the first knife by the Winnower presumably

[next bobcat]

unveiling?

[dim minnow]

yes

[next bobcat]

been a while since i read that

so then it was whole when it visited the precursors

right?

since the witness was the first knife

[dim minnow]

ehhhh

well no, it was split up at that point

since the precursors had to find it later on

while the Witness claims to be the first knife, it might not be the same first knife that was used to cut the Gardener down

[trim grotto]

We have absolutely no idea. Before the Witness's Precursors ever found it, so untold eons ago.

[next bobcat]

Ah i see

Honestly aside from the whole final shape thing, the witness seems like a bit of a brat

[slim girder]

I do wonder what the combination of traveler and veil was like. They "roots" of the veil make me think that the traveler is like fruit from a tree

[next bobcat]

Of silver wings!?!?

[slim girder]

Possibly?

Traveler doesn't want to go back on the tree

[next bobcat]

Honestly this stuff is my favourite lore

Overall my favourite book is books of sorrow, but generally the unveiling type stuff is the most interesting

Books of sorrow is unironically amazing writing

[slim girder]

Same. I like to think savathuns "the traveler isn't the only one of it's kind" might have merit if the veil is supposed to be like a root holding fruit onto a tree

[slim girder]

As a thorn lover yes books of sorrow is amzing

[next bobcat]

I do think the veil is totally fungus related

The traveler could likely be either a fruit or, potentially, a bulb

I think the traveler and the veil together were a primordial onion of sorts

The veil spreading its roots into the ground (the mental, darkness, can also be associated with the deep) and the traveler sprouting its stem out into the sky (very traveler, making life and the whole light/sky thing)

[sick yew]

From fungus to onions

[next bobcat]

But like seriously

When the witness cut into the traveler, it inevitably lead to their tears

Since they were unmade

And the journey through the pale heart is like traveling through layers

Which onions certainly have

[slim girder]

Shrek references in my destiny lore chat?

[next bobcat]

Onion references

But come on you gotta admit

It bears resemblance to an onion

[sick yew]

One for the history books

[slim girder]

Pin it

[sick yew]

Nah

But ill keep it in my personal collection

[next bobcat]

make it your banner

[sick yew]

Maybe one day

[little gorge]

the books of sorrow really show bungie's ability to write something that makes sense as an in universe document

[trim grotto]

Seth Dickinson. Contractor.

[little gorge]

they actually feel like a chronicle the hive would write

[next bobcat]

[little gorge]

but unveiling is a close second

[sick yew]

Most Loyal

:)

[little gorge]

unveiling just has this unique vibe that i can't really describe

[trim grotto]

Also Seth Dickinson

[little gorge]

ig it's the ancient cosmic entity having a casual chat with us

[little gorge]

[raw hazel]

[fluid peak]

Mfw one guy whose technically not really a bungie employee is likely responsible for most of the greater world building in D2 (bungie just give the man a full position at this point he basically coined paracausality)

[ember storm]

hi

[errant tapir]

Hello

[sick yew]

[empty fern]

[vagrant bridge]

So what's with this "community puzzle" they mentioned

[frigid sparrow]

Presumably the chess pieces

It's likely a timegated thing

[ember storm]

cheese

[slim girder]

Wdym? You can get all the chess pieces rn.

Didn't know there was a community puzzle or anything

Unless you mean those special symbols that people have found

[frigid sparrow]

I'd imagine there's more to the chess pieces than just "lol you can get 13 strange coins from finding them" and there's likely gonna be stuff involving actually using them in the coming week(s)

[next bobcat]

So fellas

Is p53 an agent of the light or dark

[empty fern]

Who?

[next bobcat]

I’m interested to hear lore chat’s opinions

[empty fern]

Oh god is this gonna be marathon 2 server

[next bobcat]

No lol

Have you read unveiling?

[trim grotto]

Darkness, but it highlights the proposed need for balance, and that Darkness is not an amoral absolute.

It's like the other argument made in Unveiling - Darkness is as a storm, a part of nature. Is it evil, or part of life?

Or you could argue otherwise, that it is... Us. It represents Guardians. Agents of the Light, killing in defence of life.

Really, it's both.

And neither!

[next bobcat]

Yep

Because what else would it be

[trim grotto]

In essence it's saying the act of Winnowing is not inherently cruel. It is a balance, death to the benefit of life.

[next bobcat]

I see

[ember storm]

But also they’re cringe

[next bobcat]

So what really confuses me is the end of the cambrian explosion tab. The winnower invented humanity? Indirectly, but surely it knew?

[ember storm]

Framing it as winnowing is inherently flawed as it basically places you on a pedestal above all other forms of life

[trim grotto]

Ah. Not so directly, I'd say.
If you think of the Winnower less as an entity and more as a representative of a concept, then you read the entry as it taking claim of simple competitive evolution.

Did it actively perform this action? No. It simply claims to represent that part of existence.

"Aha! This evolution made this molecule beat that one! It's Darkness, and I am Darkness! Therefore I did this! Q.E.D."

[next bobcat]

Ah i see

So it’s not as simple as darkness being death though?

[sleek matrix]

The light can be death too

Its about who is using that

Like the witness using darkness for his own goals

[next bobcat]

Ok so why is the predator developing a case of darkness?

Is it tied into sword logic?

[sleek matrix]

Its because anyone can take the darkness and use it

[next bobcat]

The light has to be given

[sleek matrix]

Where as the light cant be taken

Rulk tried to talk to a ghost and take the light and the ghost basically blew up

[frigid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ghaul-die-gif-20384712

[sleek matrix]

And look how that worked out

[dapper moss]

he turned into a tower of orange milk and then exploded 💔

[hazy veldt]

Ghaul was unironically one of the best villains we had

He didnt have any crazy lore but he compensated it with screen time

[blazing wasp]

what screen time

my man had 15 minutes of screentime and one minor boss fight

[frigid sparrow]

had a plan and executed it with near flawless precision
got the vanguard to question their own god
killed an important spiritual figure for followers of the light and destabilized the factions
caused destruction to the tower that's still unfixed
actually was able to steal the light and might've gotten away with it if we hadn't interfered depending on how suspending the traveler works
pristine white armor (looks goated)

he was simply a victim of marvel writing

[blazing wasp]

he had potential

haunted gave us a glimpse of it

[frigid sparrow]

Caitatl stayed my blade. Remember that.

[hazy veldt]

now compare that to xivu fraudrath

1 considerable feat

0 living up to it after

Man why would they do rhulk like that

oryx had a dlc

Hell

Savathun had a dlc

Pretty good one actually

But 1 raid screen time for character that good is unacceptable

[frigid sparrow]

gets moon operations dogged on
only destroys Torobotl after the Cabal were severely scuffed after the red war and calus' loyalists defecting
probably couldn't have even done it without Savathun mindfucking Umun'Arath into bringing the hive there
wrathborn do jack shit
continuously sends Kelgorath to do her dirty work and degrades him to the point of having to be taken and isn't even a part of her forces anymore
completely fails to take Ahsa
gets banished from her own throne world and throws a fit after failing to take down Savathun
completely fails to get the echo of navigation like did she even fucking try, it didn't even like her from the moment it started talking
most notable feat other than destroying Torobotl is making Rasputin deactivate the warsat network and himself

[trim grotto]

My Warlock Fireteam member nova bombed him on my first run thorough and instakilled him before I even got a shot off

I missed every mechanic he had

[blazing wasp]

Man, haunted really made ghaul go from slightly cooler Voldemort (the bar wasnt that high) with insane drip to a villain i wished we actually got fleshed out with their whole story

[blazing wasp]

woe, wizard nuke be upon ye

[frigid sparrow]

I still really wish we had gotten a light giant calus setpiece boss like the ahamkara illusion

[blazing wasp]

ok hear me out

[frigid sparrow]

DUNGEON IN THE PALE HEART

[blazing wasp]

campaign ghaul upon being finished turns into light calus, he just leaves

raid boss

oryx esque death

[frigid sparrow]

actually would be cool to see an inversion of the echoes and have an echo of ghaul as a memory of the traveler rather than the witness and black fleet

[sleek matrix]

Traveler doesn't remember

Memory comes from darkness

[trim grotto]

She does have memory

[sleek matrix]

Now yea

[frigid sparrow]

Micah-10 elaborates on the memories of the traveler itself

[sleek matrix]

Yes i mean pre tfs

Now yes

Theres is alot

Before the witness entered

[trim grotto]

No, always.

[hazy veldt]

We now can actually peace together its motives

I mean there is no grander motive in its actions

Rather just a subconscious desire to share and uplift life with no further elaborations

meanwhile veil

[trim grotto]

I'd argue that the Dreams of Alpha Lupi from ye olden D1 said the same thing but yeah

The memories from TFS were nice

[brazen arrow]

I know what the symbols in the Edge of Fate mean:
They are chess moves of some sort.
No Delta Lambda means D30 which is Queen's Gambit

[dim minnow]

these right?

[brazen arrow]

No

Also one of the symbols is the same as Oryx's (the Navigator) symbol from the current episode. The starburst with a dot.

D4, D5, C4 No Delta Lambda (30) This is how I read the symbols

This is all I could get from the other side

[sick yew]

The Echo of the Navigator also has a half circle above the middle dot

[slim girder]

Maybe next week those chess pieces we collected might be able to be used in some way. Or maybe we might see some kind of board if they're really going with the whole chess community puzzle

I have noticed we never saw a king chess piece

Curious as to where it is or who it might relate to.

Us maybe? Or maybe the nine?

[brazen arrow]

@slim girder you are the King

[slim girder]

[next bobcat]

ugh do we have to do that

it seems like a slog

[slim girder]

I'm all for it. I love stuff like this and even though I stink at chess I'll still collect all these chess pieces

[jade meadow]

who do you think is stronger? Savathun or xivu arath?

savathun does not have a snake bc she is a female

she is called th witch queen

tehcnically oryx is trans

he was firts auryx but when he killed akka and got the power to take he named himself ory the taken king

idk really

?

is that an actual lore thing or not?

the only "gaping hole" i know of is the leviathan

is that what you are talking about?

What do you mean by drop?

What hole?

Big red eye?

idk what you are saying sorry ?

oh

not the best at spelling?

did not mean to do a question mark.

is that a streamer

[ember storm]

What

[abstract pagoda]

[empty fern]

What happened here

Fuck it, should ban that person before they come back

[heady monolith]

?

oh they left nvm

[dapper moss]

interesting individual

[trim grotto]

In an outright battle, it'd likely be Xivu Arath, as she gains power from war itself - but Savathûn is an extremely crafty person. The Witch Queen would not be so simple about a confrontation.

[dapper moss]

plus shes a guardian

assuming we’re giving her immaru back

[trim grotto]

Immaru escaped, actually.

He's already back with her.

[frigid sparrow]

Savathun makes a big hole with a sign labeled "WAR IN HERE!" then pushes xivu down and puts a cover on top

[dapper moss]

oh what when did that happen

[frigid sparrow]

when eris died

[trim grotto]

Start of this Episode, actually.

[dapper moss]

wtf

how did i miss thay

[frigid sparrow]

I think it was the.. seasonal ghost lore tab?

that describes immaru actually having left, but savathun also speaks on it during the story

[trim grotto]

Something like that. I'll find a source shortly, but first, I need to go shopping.

[umbral lotus]

get me something

[trim grotto]

Whatchu want

[umbral lotus]

food 💔

hungery

[dapper moss]

i like to get packets of pepperoni or salami and eat them just as is

one of my favorite snacks

especially if i have pickles or cheese on hand

i can make me a lil charcuterie board

[frigid sparrow]

eyup https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/pelorus-shell?highlight=Immaru

[next bobcat]

Honestly

Ass ghost shell imo

Looks like zephyr warframe

[trim grotto]

i've used the Honeycomb Shell for ages now
something quite nice about a default variant shell rather than all these rigid gimmicks

[next bobcat]

Honeycomb shell?

I’ll need an image later lore man

After shopping

[trim grotto]

my little buddy

[next bobcat]

That’s actually really cool

I’ve been using the round omolon shell mostly

Pokeball fashion lmao

[slim girder]

I've had the sagira shell on since i got it. Still keeps the core ghost function like when i need reviving unlike the others that just seem to not have moving parts anymore because of their design

I like when my ghost moves instead of being static

[trim grotto]

Exactly why I use this yeah

[slim girder]

Bring back moving ghost parts

Instead of just a floating core or a big hovering block

[frigid sparrow]

Scribetrace Shell my beloved

When I shade it with superblack it turns it into the taken vex blocky stuff which is fun

[next bobcat]

Oh cool

[next bobcat]

You got an image?

[frigid sparrow]

Not now since it is 2am and I am in bed

But it's not like the goopy taken stuff on it it's like the "dead" looking grey/black texture

[next bobcat]

Oh all good lol

I want this shell 😭

Honestly so cool

[ember storm]

is it called the shell shell

[jade meadow]

can you still get it?

[trim grotto]

The Sea Shell, which is even better.

[trim grotto]

It's part of Solstice, one of the yearly Events. Perhaps when it returns.

[umbral lotus]

do they sell sea shells on the sea shore

[trim grotto]

Well, she tries to, but she isn't very savvy with her business acumen.

[jade meadow]

when is the solstice event again i forgot?

[trim grotto]

August, I believe.

[umbral lotus]

savvy?

like

Savathun

and acumen, like Ecumene

[trim grotto]

[umbral lotus]

[ember storm]

i am very savathun

watch this:

humdinger

kerfuffle

[trim grotto]

it's like she's here

[umbral lotus]

i can still hear her voice 😔

I wonder when she'll come back to the story considering her ghost got away at the end of the new campaign, The Witch Queen

[ember storm]

also mael could you clear something up for me

i was under the impression that ahamkara don't like, "expire"

is riven considered really dead dead after wish

we still have her body and all

[jade meadow]

yeah is rivens spirit still alive?

[trim grotto]

Riven's case was a bit unique with the way the Techeuns and Mara summoned her. If the bones were a battery, we drained them fully.

Normally, however, you'd be correct.

[jade meadow]

do you know the lore well?

[trim grotto]

I'd like to say I know my way around it fairly well

[ember storm]

i am a well

a resevoir

[umbral lotus]

reservoir burst

[trim grotto]

A Wellspring, you could say

[jade meadow]

i actually have a lore question?

[ember storm]

i am the one who scatters thy signal

[ember storm]

youre allowed to ask

you dont need permission

[trim grotto]

That is rather why we're here
Go for it

[ember storm]

i did it just now

[umbral lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[trim grotto]

If I stop responding randomly it is because I am also in the Lake of Rot in Elden Ring

[ember storm]

just get better smh

[jade meadow]

So yk how the darkblade got turned into lucent hive in the witch queen. But in sunless cell we fight the darkblade and kill the darkblade taken version but was it the same darkbkade or a different one?

[ember storm]

its not him

THE darkblade is Alak Hul who later became the lightblade

[jade meadow]

ow okay

[umbral lotus]

what is bro doing there

[ember storm]

dark blade is just a job knights can get

[jade meadow]

Alak hul is pretty cool imo

[ember storm]

his head is ugly

[trim grotto]

Not many have the gall to rebel against their own god.

[jade meadow]

idk but that he challenged oryx means he must have some power

[ember storm]

who is also their adopted father

[ember storm]

i mean he failed spectacularly, so

there is that

[jade meadow]

Yea your right.

[ember storm]

only reason he went to prison and wasn't just killed outright was specifically because it was to punish him

[umbral lotus]

ended up getting locked in some kind of sunless cell

[ember storm]

its like this cell is kind of

sunless

[umbral lotus]

we'll need those brothers to help us. those brothers with the shields

shield brothers, if you will

[jade meadow]

But like the reason he attacked oryx was because he did not get any orders so he ordered himself to kill oryx?

[ember storm]

oryx never gave him any direct specific purpose so he tried to make his own

didnt work

[trim grotto]

It is the nature of the Hive. If Alak-Hul thought Oryx weak, it was his duty to defy him. Oryx proved him wrong.

[umbral lotus]

a cautionary tale to value your employees, and that even if they step out of line, you can always imprison them in the basement

[ember storm]

also theres no confirmation anywhere that savathun told the rezzed version about his past so like

the irony of him guarding the temple to the navigator is purely because she thought itd be funny

[jade meadow]

Yea but also are the red hive on the moon the brood of nokris or crota?

[ember storm]

originally crota and then his daughters

hidden swarm

they're all dead so they basically got abosrbed into xivu's ranks

[umbral lotus]

how Savathun felt when she came up with this idea

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-basketball-slam-dunk-mj-dunk-gif-18127561199265671319

[ember storm]

nokris' hive were all covered in ice after they somehow got trapped in the mars ice caps

i know rasputin did it, somehow, but like

how do you fuck up that badly

[jade meadow]

yeah by rasputin right?

[ember storm]

nokris deserved it

cringe baby

oryx was right

[umbral lotus]

didn't one of Crota's children escape when Osiris went apeshit on them before losing Sagira

[ember storm]

if you read the tab a very specific way

the fact it has never been referenced once ever leads me to believe it's not meant to be

[trim grotto]

No.

[umbral lotus]

they just forgot to come back trust 💔

[jade meadow]

is xivu stronger than savathun?

[umbral lotus]

the fact that that was a lore tab is still one of the worst things in the story

[trim grotto]

I believe I answered this earlier today

[ember storm]

did you ask yesterday

[trim grotto]

About thirteen hours ago

[ember storm]

groundhog daying rn

[jade meadow]

yeah im going to back and searc

[umbral lotus]

my guy is on an odyssey

[junior kernel]

Im just finishing up the episode 2 story (coming back from a long break), but can the echo turn scorn back to eliksni? or just turn them into a regular corpse?

[slim girder]

It can turn scorn back into eliksni if they were originally still alive.

But if a scorn was made from a dead eliksni there's no reversing that it seems

[trim grotto]

Which means it's pretty much just relegated to the Na-Veskirisk and not the Scorn Classic™️

[slim girder]

Xur just said "The helio sheath is not the only door into this system" Is that new? i don't think i've ever heard him say that

[hot sierra]

What exactly are Exo's btw? Like, from what I've heard they used to be humans or something but what made them change into exo?

[jagged badge]

Variety of different factors

Clovis was motivated due to a desire for immortality, as his body was failing him. Elsie had inherited a disease from her father due to Clovis altering his genes before he was born

Cayde, iirc, had massive debts

[slim girder]

General gist of it really was "If we're robots we can be immortal" though underneath it all was a bunch of manipulation and twisted experiments all lead by Clovis who has a god complex.

[hazy veldt]

Can someone give a short explanation how vex perception differs from human?

That thing about information recognition that clovis bray said

[ember storm]

They function more like bacterial infection than any sentient being

They simply do not comprehend the universe the way that normal life does

[slim girder]

Vex look at us and unlike most enemies that harbour some emotion of dislike or hate towards us, the vex see it more like pruning a weed.

They don't have the capacity for emotional thought, they don't have doubts or anything, only the pattern and cutting away anything that doesn't fit into it.

[dim minnow]

they also view time differently than we do

imagine reading a Choose your own adventure book the way it is intended

that's how we see time

on the other hand, the Vex see it like you're reading one as if it is a normal book

[next bobcat]

So vex are 4 dimensional beings

[hazy veldt]

not really

u dont have to be 4d to preceive time non-linearly

humans do so because it better suits our perception

the only higher dimensional beings we know of are the nine

[hollow hinge]

I'd argue yes really

Because often in media the 4th dimension is often portrayed as just time

If you can visualise time like we do physical space then you're a higher being

[slim girder]

Would being able to see and manipulate strand also be 4th dimensional? Since strand itself is almost like a realm overlapping our own connecting everyone.

Things like weavewalk imply that you can slip into this dimension and reemerge.

[next bobcat]

idk if strand is a dimension

like its a dimension as in the ascendant realm, not a dimension as in 2d, 3d, etc.

[hazy veldt]

considering what eris said

there is some kind of collective meta consciousness

i think that strand is a fabric of it

[grand jungle]

would it be poissble for savathun to get darkness?

[jagged badge]

In Witch Queen, her plan used us to restore her memories seemingly because she couldn’t

[ember storm]

i thought it was just cause she was busy mobilizing troops and whatnot

didnt have the time to go collect her own memories

[jagged badge]

This vile artifact holds memory, and it is memory that I lack.

Perhaps the-thing-I-was could retrieve these memories, but the-thing-I-am cannot.

I must find a creature capable of holding two wrestling paracausal forces in its breast.

I must outsource my remembering to someone else.```

[slim girder]

That's a speculated goal of hers. In final shapes she told us she was looking to find knowledge of edges and shapes. Which imo translates to her delving into darkness

She most definitely wants the power over light and dark that we have.

She got the light so very possible darkness could be obtained somehow

[grand jungle]

think she be more dangerous thn wittness?

[slim girder]

I don't think so. Dangerous yes but not universe ending level threat

[grand jungle]

im so hyped to see more n more of debra

[hazy veldt]

why wont we just jump savathun

kill her and burn her throne to the ground

1 less headache

[dim minnow]

Her Throne World is under her full control, getting to her through it isn't as easy as you would think, especially since she was already beaten before, so she isn't going to let it happen again.

[hazy veldt]

compared to what guardian has alr faced

not a big issue

[dim minnow]

Keep in mind that unlike our previous encounters with her, she actually wants us dead now

[hazy veldt]

she would make a great side-arm

[dim minnow]

Probably, but it is going to be very difficult to do that

[hazy veldt]

send 6 of these to her throne

in 18 hours it would be just hole in ascendant plane

[empty fern]

Nuh uh

I cast lfg taken bomb tragedy

[grand jungle]

So it’s possible to see sav pop a needle storm ?

[dapper moss]

would be funny

but probably not yet

the lucent hive getting access to the darkness would probably be a big enough deal to warrant an entire season

[dim minnow]

a season where we can summon Lucent Brood to help us would be cool

like summoning Luzaku as the Wizard, maybe Ken as the Knight, and probably someone as the Acolyte

then maybe Alak-Hul as a special summon

[grand jungle]

Would luzaku be on our side still or follow savathun

[dim minnow]

Technically, Luzaku is on Savathun's payroll, but she ultimately seeks cooperation between her people and ours

[grand jungle]

Hoping she stays cool love her character

So she wants Better for the lucent brood?

[dim minnow]

if she sees Savathun is going to get in the way of that, then she'll probably be willing to stand alongside us, though I doubt she will be happy having to fight her brethren

[dim minnow]

probably for the Hive in general as well, though the other Hive are still tethered to the worms

it seems general Lucent Brood Hive are able to keep their worms fed thanks to the Light

Hive Guardians are straight up severed from their symbiosis with their worms

[grand jungle]

Gonna be so interesting to see sav want to kill us again

[dim minnow]

she's kinda always been on the "friends" side of things with us

except for maybe Witch Queen campaign finale

that was probably the only other time we could her her sound actually angry at us

[grand jungle]

Now after heresy ending she’s definitely done with us

[dim minnow]

up until now, she mostly saw her relationship with us as one more akin to a relationship typical Hive share

in a way where we're technically allies, but are willing to throw each other under the bus when needed

[grand jungle]

Interested in how dangerous she will go to kill us

[dim minnow]

her and Xivu actually teaming up would be one of the most devastating

[grand jungle]

love that oryx respected

tho it was the echo of him you think the real oryx would?

[dim minnow]

You know, I wonder if the Echo had actually started to become almost just like the Oryx we knew from TTK near the end

[grand jungle]

"lest the stars will remember the shape i gave them"

[dim minnow]

the way I see it, Oryx probably went to Sol not simply for vengeance, but because he knew his time was running short and wanted to go out with a bang

[grand jungle]

what a fcking line

[dim minnow]

the thing is Crota was one of Oryx's primary contributors to his line of tribute, so losing his son hurt him immensly

and us dismantling his court only made it worse

[grand jungle]

oryx was such a proud father

wait if crotas oyrx son

who tf is hte mother

[dim minnow]

Oryx's mate was only mentioned once in one line

and that's it

[tough kettle]

i always assumed oryx had no mate and he just kind of . yknow. produced it himself

[grand jungle]

or the worms give crota

[dim minnow]

A mother Wizard gets fertility from a mate, or from herself.

so it seems Hive can do both

One of those spawn was you.```

though Oryx did seem to have a mate for his children

probably because he is a male and not a mother wizard

[empty fern]

Weird worm noises

[dim minnow]

that being said, it is very possible, and very likely that Xivu Arath and Savathun didn't take up any fathers for their children

well, Savathun did take the mother morph if I'm correct, so she definitely wouldn't need to

Xivu though, I'm less certain on

[empty fern]

Maybe

[eager trout]

Ok, so, it's said that Light and Darkness are neither evil nor good. However, the beings behind them are.

[dapper moss]

the beings that use them

the beings behind the light and the dark are the traveler and the veil, respectively

[dim minnow]

the Traveler being the Gardener, which was likely once a union of the two forces

the Veil being the missing part that was severed from the Gardener

[dapper moss]

which creates the natural rivalry between them but yeah it doesnt mean theyre evil/good

[dim minnow]

there isn't really a rivalry between the Traveler and Veil

not really for Light and Dark for that matter

Light vs Dark is largely something the Witness made up

[dapper moss]

more like the lore behind the gardener and winnower, i guess

the rivalry is more with the winnower rather than the excised darkness itself

so yeah u right

[dim minnow]

Winnower might not even be Light nor Dark

maybe the Gardener is meant to be both Light and Dark as well

perhaps the Winnower is neither, or it is in part both like the Gardener

[dapper moss]

thats what i mean yeah

the winnower was the one that cut the darkness from the gardener, no?

hence the name

[eager trout]

I meant the Gardener and the Winnower

[dapper moss]

neither the gardener nor winnower are explicitly good or evil

and the winnower also is not the being behind the darkness

[dim minnow]

ehhhh

the Traveler is pretty much completely benevolent (granted it is sometimes to a fault)

and the Winnower embodies a very cynical viewpoint which aligns a lot with the Sword Logic

[dapper moss]

well the traveler is definitely good

but like as for the light representing good

[dim minnow]

the Light is just the physical domain while Dark is the conscious one

[eager trout]

Then what is it?

[dapper moss]

the one that cut the darkness from the gardener, as dova said

[eager trout]

I said the Gardener, not the Light

[dapper moss]

well yeah the gardener is definitely good

[cedar stream]

whats the lore on crimson hand cannon

[dapper moss]

its red death but tiny

[cedar stream]

like a little brother

[cedar stream]

I bet monte carlo is a cousin

[frigid sparrow]

It's a play on the original D1 Red Death, both fitted with bloodied fronts and a knife attachment. The og gun is labeled as a "guardian killer" and crimson takes on that same appearance. As such, if the gun is to be found, it is to be destroyed, and for crimson, the gun simply doesn't exist- because they aren't meant to find out.

[cedar stream]

I see, thanks!

[frigid sparrow]

A lot of exotics, especially Y1 exotics, don't really have any discernable origin or lore behind them. Rat king, sweet business, huckleberry, they're just guns from somewhere. Rat king was based on a legend, sweet business is from.. somewhere, and huckleberry is most notable for being a tex mechanica gun when those are pretty much nonexistent

And a lot of guns' lore boils down to "this gun was made/used by specific names character" like vigilance wing being made in reverence to Osiris, Drifter made arbalest, or a guardian named Jeza made Cerberus+1

So honestly, if it's not from a quest, chances are pretty much any more related to the gun is just in its tab, and if there's nothing discernable there then there's nothing really to it. Just a fun lil thingie.

[tough kettle]

i know this is the lore channel but i headcanon oryx didnt need a mate because that makes more sense to me

[dim minnow]

he specifically stated he had one

he had multiple spawn with them, one of them being Crota

but we know next to nothing about this mate

[tough kettle]

its a headcanon tho i know its not actually true

[trim grotto]

Headcanons usually exist to fill unexplained gaps in lore or story. If it's objectively untrue, it's fanfic or AU.

[dim minnow]

that term only applies if it is not outright stated to not be true

[tough kettle]

thats just not true

people use it to override established things all the time

"override"

you know what i mean

[trim grotto]

That doesn't mean it's correctly used. Like how people say blueberries are new players instead of randoms.

[eager trout]

And I'd say wanting a single species to destroy all others and conquer the universe and for the universe to eventually be destroyed is a pretty evil thing to do, so the Winnower is definitely evil.

[lusty pewter]

Can anyone explain what the flower game is?

[trim grotto]

The Flower Game described in Unveiling is a reference to John Conway's Game of Life, a sort of cell simulation.

Do you want to know about Conway's Game of Life or Unveiling?

[lusty pewter]

i already read unveiling but what im trying to know is what the flower game represents

[trim grotto]

Life. Existence. Civilisations, species. A universe as it could have been, were it to exist (for The Garden was pre-existence).

[sick yew]

Wheres the difference

[trim grotto]

hush

[lusty pewter]

oh that makes sense

[trim grotto]

The Flower Game represented life-that-could-be. Every time, the cycle of potential played out differently, but always ended the same way. A single pattern would always emerge to be victorious, as it was mathematically superior. Nothing was truly ever different.

https://playgameoflife.com

[sick yew]

I mean tbf thats where it differs from Conways GoL cause if you ever actually played that you can unless you work with some specific few cells its impossible to tell where and how long its all going no?

[trim grotto]

In theory, the Game of Life ends up in a static without outside intervention. You could say paracausality is that intervention.

[sick yew]

Does it really

End in static I mean

I only have rather surface level knowledge of the GoL aka messing around with it a few years back placing random blocks or seeing what one shape would turn into

[trim grotto]

I'm not entirely sure of the details to be fair

[sick yew]

Okay after eating my way through the Wikipedia pages ig it really is perfect to describe the garden game

No matter how chaotic and undedicable sooner or later everything ends up either in a set pattern or "still" form aka it stops changing

Wait thats the wrong screenshot

Meant this one

[next bobcat]

Some patterns go on forever though such as gliders

[sick yew]

Yes I was mainly looking for stuff that stays randon forever

[next bobcat]

It’s an interesting parallel to the d2 lore

[trim grotto]

that is true but it's static in its perpetuity

[next bobcat]

Yeah, Some things reach a standstill where they repeat the same movements over and over

Neither of these have any chaos

[hot sierra]

Heard this 'Unknown Voice' during the 'Hypernet Current' strike, who introduces themselves as Nezarec at the end.

Who is Nezarec?

[next bobcat]

Abridged: god of pain and nightmares, one of the witness’s disciples. He’s the one who creates the nightmares in Shadowkeep (although indirectly). We don’t know a huge amount about him though.

[sick yew]

Also the boss of the Lightfall raid

[next bobcat]

Yes that too

Play the raid for more info

[sick yew]

I mean its basically "Traveler blasted the Witness' pyramid in the LF opening and it started resurrecting Nezzarec so we shuffle over there to beat his ass"

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/nezarecs-sin
For a long time, this old D2 vanilla Warlock Exotic was all we knew of Nezarec - a name from an old text from before the Golden Age, describing the Final God of Pain.
We never heard this mysterious name again until Season of the Haunted prior to Lightfall, when Eris Morn began studying the Luna Pyramid. We discovered this mysterious being was the master of this Pyramid.

Wait, no. Forgot Season of Plunder.

Silly me.

Season of Plunder was the very next Season after Haunted, and was a big source of Nezarec's lore. We discovered that the Eliksni had discovered the Luna Pyramid when they first arrived in Sol, and had found Nezarec's corpse within it. His body was carved into pieces, and these relics of Nezarec, in the years that followed, spread across the system as items of corruption and power.

Mithrax's/Misraaks's mother was one of the wearers of a relic, and Mithrax/Misraaks himself inherited it too, for a time. Eventually, he cast it aside - Nezarec's rage and Darkness would seep into whomever wielded the relics, they were dangerous things. But, we set out to collect them.

At the end of this Episode, Mithrax/Misraaks preformed a rite to siphon the primordial Darkness from the relics, and transform it into... actually, I'll let this cutscene speak for itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAIpmG9-iLs

This particular event is directly relevant to Episode Revenant, as well.

Now you have heard Nezarec once more. His story continues in Root of Nightmares, the Raid of Lightfall.

[ember storm]

Here’s my design concept made during Plunder

[low gyro]

Wasn't there Nezarecs Whisper glaive during season of haunted

[jagged badge]

Yes

[low gyro]

Did that provide any lore before plunder

I only remembered people equipping it in Lightfall to make sense of Nez's whispers in Neomuna prior to first Root of Nightmares clear

[jagged badge]

It offered the first hint that Nezarec was a Disciple

In its flavour text

[low gyro]

Ah okay

[slim girder]

@low gyro it also gave us a hint into the space the finale for haunted took place. The "chantry of the darkest hour" is where eris found the glaive.

Darkest hour being another title given to nezarec

[idle bay]

I was watching Datto's first day of destiny video and during one of the first cutscenes we see foreshadowing for the Pyramid Ships and the Witness's design by literally seeing it. After them it goes to a new place that has this image, could this be what is next for us?

[dim minnow]

that's the EDZ Traveler shard

[idle bay]

Ah damn, ig i dont remember it being that big

[sick yew]

The Witness' design in D2 vanilla?

What

[next bobcat]

I doubt that

Do you think that the statues were always meant to be the dissenters from the start?

[sick yew]

No

I know Bungie works with years in advance sometimes but not that much

[next bobcat]

So why are the statues everywhere

[umbral lotus]

because Bungie thought they looked cool and mysterious

[next bobcat]

“We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it” ahh

[slim girder]

I think the aesthetic for the pyramids and statues were already decided but they'd give us the actual name for them when it came time to do so.

The pyramids have been a thing since D1 pre development. I think bungie even back then was set on that being the big bad darkness behind everything

[next bobcat]

The pyramids were super dark and ominous for ages

Then it turns out they’re just kinda ships

And like why were there so many, what was in them

[slim girder]

Well it was the collapse for all of Sol. That would explain the numbers since they surrounded the system on all fronts to prevent anyone escaping. As for what was in them probably just those dissenter statues and maybe some artefacts.

The full force of the pyramids was an absolute slaughter now that we know more about what the witness did to everyone like poisonous clouds, pulling on titan to cause a cataclysmic level tidal wave, unknown monsters crashing through everything.

[little gorge]

tbh early pyramid appearances make them seem like they themselves are an opposite to the traveler

maybe that was the plan before they came up with light and dark being neutral

[next bobcat]

Yeha like the arrivals logo

Traveler is white and round

Pyramids are black and angular

There’s only one traveler and heaps of pyramids

Theyre very opposite

[uneven canyon]

Is the prison of elders still operable?

As in do the Awoken still use it?

[slim girder]

No. It's just as of episode revenant a tomb now.

[sick yew]

Its largely abandoned but theres probably still prisoners in it somewhere

I doubt they got to walk free

Also did they ever explain how the Warden Servitor is still alive? We kinda like beat the shit out of it back in Forsaken yk

[slim girder]

Probably just locked cells with awoken prisoners who never ended up getting out.

[slim girder]

It was a different servitor I think was the theory

[sick yew]

And it also picked up Variks' voice and shit

Damn

Man must be really popular among the Servitors

For good reason obviously

[slim girder]

Still bummed we never saw the vex section of the prison. Feel like if we were going back there we should have gotten to be in all the old wings of the prison

Like old broken down vex or something. Drifter did say that vex inside the prison had formed something like gangs.

[sick yew]

Pretty sure that was just Drifter being a bit silly

It just means the Vex allied themselves to one mind that they didnt follow originally

Same way an imprisoned Cabal might join an imprisoned Red Legion general despite not being in their unit originally

Which considering the Vex love their unity makes total sense

[slim girder]

Right.

[sick yew]

Alltho Shawshank Redemption with Vex would be hilarious to watch

[slim girder]

I wanna see more funny stuff from the vex.
I'm talking GLaDOS with the baby birds type stuff

[sick yew]

Vex blasting golden age rock while running into battle

[slim girder]

I'd happily throw them some rob zombie or Metallica tracks

[sick yew]

I mean Golden Age rock is probably modern rock for us lmao

Mf Linkin Park or some shit

[slim girder]

Prolly

If we really want to get technical remember in that live action trailer where the hunter said to put on something classic and the ghost chose led zeppelin?

[sick yew]

I miss the d1 live action trailers

They were funny

[slim girder]

Taken king one was also pretty cool. That trailer made one of my friends never take off the chaperone

[sick yew]

Didnt they make a cameo in some cutscene from Lightfall or sum

Or was that Shayuras fireteam

Dont remember

[slim girder]

Yeah the original fireteam who got sliced.

They were the ones that also saw the traveler rise during the seraph finale

[sick yew]

That was Shayuras gang yes

Right?

Not the og fireteam

[slim girder]

I'm pretty sure it was. I remember a whole tribute video to that fireteam when we saw them try to intercept the witness.

[sick yew]

Im confused who youre talking about now

I thought I remembered the team that got sliced by the Witness to be Shayuras homies

Bringing their whole story to an end

And I thought someone also told me it was them who watched the Traveler rise at the end of Seraph

Or was LF the Shayura gang and Seraph the OG Fireteam

Wheres Dova when you need him

[eager trout]

Maybe that's what the Witness intended. Making us think we're facing Darkness itself.

[idle bay]

In an early cinematic of red war we see this while it’s showing the reflection of the traveler in the water so its opposite. Hard to take a screenshot for the first one but it’s the same like moving body’s and faces design

[sick yew]

Sorry to be that guy but Bungie had not yet planned out the Witness in D2 vanilla

Its unlikely they had even written the Witness by Shadowkeep

[blazing wasp]

They had no witnesses to the crime, until....

[sick yew]

This is a coincidence at best
Alltho the left screenshot is definitely more related to the suffering in the Last City during the attack of the Red Legion than anything Witness related

[eager trout]

So you're saying there's a bunch of Vex left unattended in a place full of technology? What could go wrong.

[sick yew]

Technology?

What Technology is there in the PoE except uh shutter doors lmfao

[eager trout]

Force fields, bombs, other Fallen things

[blazing wasp]

Awoken tech (made in a cave (with a box of scraps))

[slim girder]

That's more symbolic of the citizens of sol as the pyramids descended on them.

[sick yew]

Nothing they couldnt easily make themselves

[blazing wasp]

Important to note that vex technology is prolonging the lifespan of stars to use as a forge

[eager trout]

What I mean is they're locked up in a place that has all the materials they could need.

[blazing wasp]

The power of the fucking sun as your blacksmith

[eager trout]

And even some things already built.

[blazing wasp]

They could probably shoot their way out

No, really

If they got their weapons

[sick yew]

Keep in mind the Vex are the guys who have the means to manually refuel entire stars, keeping them on the verge of going supernova to use that as a printer for matter

There's nothing the Eliksni could make that would remotely interest them

[blazing wasp]

Their equipment is effectively super scifi construction equipment

They could definitely break out using just their own tools.

Security is probably what prevented them, guns n stuff

[eager trout]

They could probably make some

[eager trout]

But as long as there's no paracausality involved in stopping them, they'll find a way to escape.

[ember storm]

Rock's

[uneven canyon]

Are all Knights male and all wizards female or did Oryx just transition for the hell of it?

[ember storm]

Aurash specifically took on the king morph

Gender is not relevant to hive operations besides specifically being jobs that need it to happen (such as brood mothers)

[uneven canyon]

Oh wait, it was Xi Ro that wanted to be a knight, right? And Sathona a brood mother?

[ember storm]

No

They were simply provided with their new morphs

Xi Ro didn’t changed upon taking the Knight morph, neither did Sathona change from taking the Mother morph

There’s a distinction between that and standard brood mothers

[uneven canyon]

But they did end up having children

[ember storm]

Savathun notoriously has the least amount of children and love for said children out of any of her family, funnily enough

Brood mothers have actual broods

All hive on the tangled shore were the result of that one strike boss

Hidden swarm came from Crota and Omnigul

Savathun had three kids total

Savathun did not become a brood mother, she took the Mother morph

[uneven canyon]

What do you mean morph?

[ember storm]

The morphs that the three osmium siblings were given were unique

They were the new forms and power bestowed on them by the worm gods when they first became hive

Hive don’t grow with age, they change physically by taking on new morphs achieved through their connection to their worms and sword logic

[uneven canyon]

I don’t remember specific morphs in the books of sorrow

Then again it’s been a while

[ember storm]

They’re there

Entries immortals, conquerers, and out of the deep

[uneven canyon]

Is it basically just metamorphosis?

[slim girder]

So....

Chess anyone?

[quasi niche]

It's looking like a Corridors of Time 2.0

[slim girder]

Mhm. I did the solutions and now I'm trying to figure out these frequencies.
1867
766

That's what I've seen so far so I believe that the community is making progress and changing things

Something I find interesting though is no number is higher than 8 so far. Which is the highest number on a chess board

Ok so everyone has a different number

[ember storm]

What’s the lore behind “go to settings to turn on text chat, you can enter text with a hardware or virtual keyboard”

[sonic grove]

nothing, lol

just didn't bother to edit it out

[ember storm]

Assuredly it has devastating implications

I will consult the wishing wall

[patent swallow]

has anyone read Tales of a Wanderer yet?

[dim minnow]

yeah, pretty neat

[patent swallow]

all the places drifter went are where the chess pieces were

some connection to the nine

[dim minnow]

seems to be Drifter's perspective after Eris died

[patent swallow]

pretty neat

i wonder if anything is implied

[dim minnow]

final entry takes place after Sloane punched him

[patent swallow]

I forgot that happened

every entry is a different place where we have found a chess piece. Campsite on Europa, Clovis' head, Zavala's Office, etc

everywhere outside of the Nether and CoB that we have found chess pieces lying around

Lingering: Eris' Flat
Expanse: Beyond on Europa
SchadenFruede: Clovis Bray
Unfamiliar: Drifter's area in the Tower
Restlessness: Zavala's Office
Preparation: Tower Hangar nook
Reconsidering: Taken Blight in the Sludge
Commiting: Winding Cove

im wondering if theres any extra meaning to this

[dim minnow]

I don't recall there being a chess piece in the Tower Hangar

[next bobcat]

What’d I miss what is this

Why we playing chess😭

[dim minnow]

new community puzzle

Corridors of Time 2

[next bobcat]

Corridors of time?

Man I started in deep

That sounds like a season of the undying thing

[dim minnow]

Season of Dawn

[next bobcat]

Oh ok

[dim minnow]

it was a community puzzle where players all over the community would send in screenshots of some sequence they get from doing something

then people would compile those sequences into what I think was a map

so then we went through the map to find our own grave as well as unlocking the Bastion exotic quest

[next bobcat]

Oh cool

[dim minnow]

the chess community puzzle is something like that

[next bobcat]

So do I have to find all 60 chess pieces or something lol

[dim minnow]

we complete a series of chess puzzles, then we are given a board with pieces on it that is unique to each player

[dim minnow]

you will need all the pieces to complete the 27 puzzles

[next bobcat]

That’s a lotta chess pieces

[patent swallow]

its in the vents

[dim minnow]

oh right, the Daito room

[sonic grove]

i honestly don't think chess mechanics have anything to do with the endgame puzzle...

[hollow hinge]

Endgame?

There's a community puzzle event ongoing rn, Bungie literally said so lol

[slim girder]

So the code was cracked giving us a QR code that leads to a website with a keypad. This has become a whole ARG now lol

WAIT

I'M PARAGON!!!!

[next bobcat]

Yeah I checked if you were eligible since I see you in lore discussion a lot and you’re knowledgeable

Honestly if you’re eligible there’s no reason you can’t have it lol

[slim girder]

I get it now.
Again much appreciated. 👍

[thin saffron]

What is going on

[sick yew]

Chess

Chess is going on

[thin saffron]

I already did the chess and submitted what the water showed me

But now we have...

Aion?

[sick yew]

Who

[thin saffron]

The aion archives

Where the chess qr code sent us

I would send a link. But don't know if that's allowed

[errant tapir]

where is this located? in rhulk raid?

[slim girder]

Go to eris throne world and in the secret area below is a chessboard

[errant tapir]

thanks man

[next bobcat]

https://www.aion-archives.net

That’s the website

[errant tapir]

btw i still haven't played D2 since Heresy

[next bobcat]

It’s still heresy

[errant tapir]

before heresy came out, i alr quit*

i see that wukong pfp

[thin saffron]

Everyone who quit before heresy really left before the best season we've had in a while

[little gorge]

tbh you can't really blame them

i've always been positive about d2 through the drama but even i took a break for a month or so in revenant

[trim grotto]

I'm on a bit of a break myself. I'll knock all of the bits and bobs out within the next few weeks.

[hollow hinge]

I did play enough during Revenant but it was still my least played season since Deep

[slim girder]

I maxxed out my season pass and did everything for the episode. So now just doing other things while i wait for edge of fate.

[thin saffron]

I already took my break period through season of witch and wish (due to the major layoffs knocking my want to play). So I've just been enjoying the episodes as they've gone by. Definitely think they've had their issues, but they're fun

This arg has been getting me excited

[wheat flower]

Mb wront channel

[thin saffron]

Wront

[hollow hinge]

Rite of the Nine is next week

[slim girder]

Yeah but i'm not to interested tbh. It's just a dungeon revamp formwhat i can tell and i don't have anyone anymore to do all that with

[hollow hinge]

These weapons will be meta going into Edge of Fate just like BRAVE weapons were for TFS

And it's more contest content, even tho it's "revamped"

[jagged badge]

Lemme know if you want someone to run through stuff with you

[uneven canyon]

So Xivu Arath gains tithes from war, and Savathun through trickery, how did Oryx gain tithes?

[hollow hinge]

By killing his sisters

[uneven canyon]

What exactly are the weapons of sorrow? Is it hive magic?

As in how did Rezzl Azir make Thorn

[trim grotto]

They're vague and yet weirdly specific. Human weaponry corrupted by Hive magic.
Rezyl Azzir grafted a Hive bone onto Thorn after his escapade to the Moon. This cursed bone began the transformation of Thorn.

[slim girder]

To add to this the bones then corrupted both the weapon and then Rezyl. He then became Dredgen yor the infamous guardian murderer.

[trim grotto]

It was either Dredgen, yor it was something else

[slim girder]

[trim grotto]

[hollow fern]

What do I do here

[empty fern]

Stuff

[empty fern]

The whole current content of #🏆destiny-media

[cosmic shell]

Marathon's (the original) release date triggers something in the ARG.

Just thought I'd let everyone know.

Halo CE's release date also triggers an easter egg in the Aion site.

And before anyone asks, entering Halo 2, 3, ODST, and Reach's release dates into the AION keypad doesn't work.

Ditto for Marathon Durandal and Marathon Infinity.

From what I've learned from all of this, it appears that release dates of certain Bungie games trigger special messages in the Aion terminal.

Time codes:

081993 - Pathways Into Darkness
12211994 - Marathon
11152001 - Halo

[plain topaz]

I have a couple questions

1. Is the Eliksni either a gas or a liquid
2. How can ghosts heal exos if their “robots”

[trim grotto]

Ether? Both, sort of. As far as we can tell, it's a gas that can also take liquid form.

As for Exo, it depends. Particularly complex breaks are more trouble than they're worth, and Ghosts actually prefer a full resurrection over healing it. Either way though, the Light simply repairs the damage, potentially based on the old FWC timeline theory - but that just a theory, of course.

[ember storm]

edible

[raw hazel]

snacks

[fossil panther]

In terms of lore which of the two darkness subclasses is more similar to void? I assume Stasis, right?

[dim minnow]

similar how?

[fossil panther]

Like what the powers do? I know Strand is all about creating things and "connecting" everything, where void seems to be about emptiness and dark matter stuff

[dim minnow]

Void is tied to the forces of Gravity

Strand is derived from the conscious link between all beings

Stasis is tied to Emotion

[fossil panther]

Stasis isn't even ice is it?

[dim minnow]

no

it looks like ice, but it isn't

[fossil panther]

I'm trying to get a prismatic build going mixing Void and one of the darkness subclasses and thought it'd be cool to pick one that would have some synergy lore-wise. If that makes any sense lol

[dim minnow]

I mean, if you're going for an emptiness aesthetic, then Void and Stasis work