ada-1 isn't a human in an exo body
#📚lore-discussion
sick yew
been too long since ive read black armory lore
But could check out ig
@trim grotto will surely give an answer
trim grotto
hm what
trim grotto
Presumably because she was uploaded as a child. She grew up in the Exobody, and thus didn't have as much to disassociate from.
steel arch
i'm not a fan of this theory though
trim grotto
Wasnt Micah uploaded as a child aswell?
Ada-1's Exobody is not entirely unique in its construction. Radiance is related to the Obsidian Accelerator moreso than the actual Exobody. The Exo was still constructed primarily by Clovis Bray.
Alkahest was presumably still involved, therefore.
steel arch
i'm not actually super familiar with black armory lore, wasn't into it that much at that point
can you give me a quick rundown or a resource on the relation the black armory had to braytech in the golden age?
wait the forges weren't golden age
they were post-collapse
trim grotto
They mobile Forges? They were Golden Age.
The reason two were on Nessus, for example, was because they were aboard the Exodus Black.
trim grotto
Well, the forges were provided to the program, apparently.
trim grotto
can you give me a quick rundown or a resource on the relation the black armory h...
Funnily enough, I did a writeup on Ada-1's Exobody just a couple of months ago, using as many resources as I could find.
steel arch
tyty
sick yew
Well, the forges were provided to the program, apparently.
How generous of them
Were the forges ever designed to produce something that isnt...yk guns
trim grotto
Uuh, not that I'm aware of. The Black Armory was always focused on weapons.
steel arch
i mean yeah the exodus ships had a lot of shit on them
they were MASSIVE
henriette doesn't even call ada by her name
she just calls her "the exo"
steel arch
evidently not
sick yew
Those damn bots smh
steel arch
i've had my fill of grief and dread for the night
trim grotto
"Oh yes. Nobody does 'unnervingly bewildered' like our boy Xur." The Titan points down into the shadows of the Tower hangar, where a cloaked figure hunches over nothing, as if run through by an invisible spear. "He comes here to trade. We didn't let him in, but we don't stop him, either."
Lavinia, as afraid of success as she is of failure, shivers through a thrill of nerves. "Xûr," she corrects the Titan, then, feeling like a pedant: "Sorry. Cryptarch habit."
"Right. Xur. That's what I said." The Titan shrugs.```
Look it's @severe meadow
severe meadow
lost abyss
```"Is that him?" Lavinia whispers.
"Oh yes. Nobody does 'unnervingly bewildere...
I need Lavinia to become relevant for a season or expac. iirc she's somewhere with the Nine now
trim grotto
She was intercepted by Savathûn. It's... not clear what has happened to her since.
ember storm
She got to be a nice roommate to Osiris, trust 
frosty belfry
any exotics used to make lamps?
or light
or to do with light or illumination
also i don’t understand the star eater scales lore
trim grotto
also i don’t understand the star eater scales lore
As I read it, it is the Witness appearing to this Eliksni as a crewmate who was never truly there. It suggests that the prophesy of the Kell of Kells was intentionally made to be divisive, and perhaps it was the Witness itself who snuck it into Long Drift culture.
May I ask, why have you been so interested in such extremely specific concepts for weapons or exotics?
trim grotto
or light
There's Hardlight
In the original iteration it never had drop-off, full damage at any distance
Most things to do with light are usually more about capital L Light, though
Although... Sunshot was made with the eternal flame in mind
Which was sort of a lamp
frosty belfry
May I ask, why have you been so interested in such extremely specific concepts f...
i have a chemistry project. when an element has properties or uses that aren’t really apparent in destiny i go to lore to try and relate it. right now im struggling on the lathanides besides promethium .
im relating elements to exotic weapons or armors or abilties
frosty belfry
Although... Sunshot was made with the eternal flame in mind
Which was sort of a...
that will work
frosty belfry
the project is meant for us to do out of class for a little over a month. We do lab but it’s early in the year so nothing too crazy. right now we’re doing labs and lessons with virtual reality headsets
trim grotto
Day 8 of asking fun facts lore
Isn't it day 9 now
Veist, the weapons foundry, build their weapons with on-board AI with a venomous creature's "killer instincts"
errant tapir
Veist, the weapons foundry, build their weapons with on-board AI with a venomous...
So if we do not kill someone, we get punished? Maybe zap with a venom?
shrewd ravine
Am I tweaking about this lore on claws of ahamkara
Cause I swear this shit is pretty much saying they know about us the player
trim grotto
So if we do not kill someone, we get punished? Maybe zap with a venom?
No
Just a gimmick of the company
They do weapons like Funnelweb, Taipan, Recluse
The guns names after venomous animals
trim grotto
Cause I swear this shit is pretty much saying they know about us the player
The Helm of Dire Ahamkara does that too
Don't worry too much about it
low gyro
Speaking of veist weapons. Guess I have to thank the game for introducing me to this Australian delight
slim girder
Speaking of veist weapons. Guess I have to thank the game for introducing me to ...
Knew someone who got stung by these things
They're near invisible underwater
I love it when aussie stuff gets into destiny
Tarrabah is about a guardian who guards old indigenous rock paintings
So australia is canon in destiny
dim minnow
Tarrabah is about a guardian who guards old indigenous rock paintings
weren't the Fighting Dharug a group of Warlocks dedicated to protecting remaining Australian wildlife around the Hawkesbury Sea?
slim girder
weren't the Fighting Dharug a group of Warlocks dedicated to protecting remainin...
Yes. The woomera B-5 exotic ship lore tab
I don't have the ship though. I can't actually see any lore tab.
I was sure it had one
Anyway though it seems the Hawkesbury sea is a settlement maybe? Considering a group of guardians operate there. Also worth noting IRL it's the Hawkesbury River so maybe the traveler did some terraforming
sick yew
Yes. The woomera B-5 exotic ship lore tab
Ay thats the ship ive been using eversince I started playing the game
slim girder
I wish I had it just because Australia
sick yew
I wish I had it just because Australia
What
slim girder
It's description says it's a ship favoured by the fighting dharug. Australian guardians who occupy the Hawkesbury sea.
sick yew
Australian guardians huh
trim grotto
Dharug also being an Australian Aboriginal people
slim girder
I noticed that the guardian in the tarrabah lore tab says "she surfaced me" so maybe over there traveler is seen in a different way.
sick yew
Is there even much going on in Australia
One would assume the Eliksni settled there nicely
dim minnow
Anyway though it seems the Hawkesbury sea is a settlement maybe? Considering a g...
I think Hawkesbury is the name of a place in Australia so that means a good portion of the continent is flooded
slim girder
I think Hawkesbury is the name of a place in Australia so that means a good port...
It is. But as I said IRL it's called the Hawkesbury River so for it to be a sea now makes me wonder if the traveler did something or if the collapse changed it.
dim minnow
It is. But as I said IRL it's called the Hawkesbury River so for it to be a sea ...
I mean a city named Hawkesbury
slim girder
Ah yes there is also the city.
Which i guess at this point in time would just be ruins just like the edz or cosmodrome.
Also why would that mean that it's flooded?
dim minnow
Which i guess at this point in time would just be ruins just like the edz or cos...
Earth is flooded and dried up in many places
Panama Canal became a ravine
trim grotto
hello i can actually answer this
slim girder
Mael, we all know Australia isn't real
Nasa hasn't given me my cheque so I'm putting it out that Australia is real
trim grotto
A) Hawksbury is alongside a not insignificant river - the Hawksbury River
B) Hawksbury is low-lying
slim girder
Hawkesbury is also a flood risk itself
trim grotto
C) The fact that it is a sea means that it is not simply a raise of water levels but that it is a larger flooded area possibly similar to the Dead Sea
ruby pivot
hello can someone correct or add to what i know, all of the ahamkara, the emissary of the nine and savathun knows they are inside the game right?
trim grotto
Arguably, no, and arguably.
The Ahamkara thing references a pair of Exotics, one in particular, which have not been expanded upon
The Nine referred to the Game of Light and Dark and people heard "game" and went wild with it
Savathûn's thing largely refers to the time she took over twitter - as did Caiatl
However that has been treated as the VanNet
jagged badge
Is Savathûn telling Paul Tassi to touch grass canon
ruby pivot
oh so canonically they are not aware that they are inside the game, just the communtiy blew their assumptions up and it spread like wildfire?
trim grotto
The Ahamkara may, but it was still not expanded on
More of a meta joke
ruby pivot
ah, alright
trim grotto
Savathûn wished to escape this reality to a new one and people combined that with twitter to say "she knows its a game"
ruby pivot
the reality she meant is the reality we are in and she meant other reality
alright alright
oh right @trim grotto isnt it the lore on our elemental subclasses have been changed?
just double checking on that part
trim grotto
The tabs were, yes. It didn't retcon the old ones, mind you.
ruby pivot
oh ok thank god, my own brain is gaslighting me that this has been the lore tab since before but i swear on the nightstalker lore
i really like its lore because that the nightstalker admitted that they dont have the speed or accuracy but they provide the "feast" for their fellow guardians
something along those lines
ruby pivot
oh thanks! i was reminding myself what is the lore entries site
errant tapir
GASP REALLY?
Awww poor nightstalker
They must've been bullied?
Because hunters are known for their precision and accuracy?
Especially golden gun
ruby pivot
i always say " Eat, my friends. Eat." whenever i activate tether
no one gets it tho lol
slim girder
They are known for being cunning and adventurous
"Titans have their walls, warlocks have their libraries, but us hunters belong in the wild"
slim girder
No
slim girder
The sunbreakers keep iirc
errant tapir
Idk man
ruby pivot
just saw that d1 solar super
slim girder
Hold on lemme find it
ruby pivot
i like both of the void hunter/titan old lore tab entry
slim girder
https://youtu.be/oTE9frQcgmU?feature=shared here it is. Really cool stuff if you're interested @ruby pivot @errant tapir
slim girder
Even as a non titan I like it
ruby pivot
"because walls dont care"
errant tapir
Awww
errant tapir
Sentinel titans
Their lore
Is it connected to they need to protect ppl so they make shield?,
trim grotto
Titan had their own planets iirc yes?
I think you got confused with an old Destination, Titan, the moon of Saturn.
This is a real moon and not related to Titan, the Guardian class.
errant tapir
I think so
slim girder
Is it connected to they need to protect ppl so they make shield?,
All titans protect people. It's who they are. It's just different means of doing so. Some like to be the wall, some throw themselves at the enemy like striker titans. And sunbreakers defend from outside the walls as Zavala puts it
slim girder
Yes
errant tapir
Thunder crash superman?
errant tapir
Wdym by sunbraker defend them from outside wall?
So they just look for danger?
Like Sasuke?
Naruto hokage protects village from inside
While Sasuke known as the shadow hokage who protects village from outside?
slim girder
Sunbreakers are a group of solar titans who live outside of the city under their own banner. They still fight for good but just didn't get along with the vanguard because of decisions.
Unfortunately the sunbreakers are gone now though iirc
sick yew
Zavala generally uses void or arc
slim girder
I believe it was the red war invasion. They died defending against it.
sick yew
Based beyond belief
errant tapir
Awww man
sick yew
I mean technically we are a sunbreaker too
(Provided youre a titan ofc)
errant tapir
They died in red war but until now none wants to be sunbreaker?
sick yew
Its hard to join an group that is dead lol
sick yew
If all the Iron Lords were dead there'd be no one to become an Iron Lord type of thing
slim girder
Titans do still wield the sunbreakers hammer. As Alex said it carries their legacy
slim girder
The name of the sunbreakers isn't forgotten
sick yew
many many guardians died during the red war invasion
slim girder
When ghaul sealed the traveler they lost their light
errant tapir
slim girder
No power means they were severely weakened.
errant tapir
slim girder
No light
slim girder
Pretty much
slim girder
They can heal a guardian but can't bring them back
errant tapir
Whyyy bungie
sick yew
Ghosts are always connected to the traveler
Its like an invisible link
If that link gets broken or temporarily disabled a ghost will lose their connection to the Traveler aka the Light and thus the Guardian too will loose their ability to use the light
errant tapir
Okay okay
slim girder
Hang on @errant tapir let me show what it's like to lose light
errant tapir
So ghosts are essentially bridge between guardian and traveller
sick yew
Ghosts need the light to revive the same way we need the light to use any of its powers
errant tapir
Oki phoenix
sick yew
So ghosts are essentially bridge between guardian and traveller
Correct
sick yew
Big machine
slim girder
Watch the cutscene
sick yew
Not sure if the origin and workings of the tech is known
errant tapir
Do we know where did the tech come from? Like from vex?
slim girder
It's a giant cage that encased the traveler completely and it suppresses light. I believe the psions made it
A psion assassin used the same tech to try and assassinate Zavala by knocking out his ghost to cut his connection from the light.
errant tapir
@slim girder I assume there is a yt video where it shows the story of red war via all the cutscenes?
Are the cutscenes enough?
I prolly think the story has also some info/context
slim girder
Yeah they'll give you a good run down of the red war story
errant tapir
Story campaign*
slim girder
Ghaul attacks, we run away, vanguard rallies, we take back the city.
errant tapir
Why did ghaul wanna attack us?
sick yew
A psion assassin used the same tech to try and assassinate Zavala by knocking ou...
Well that specific tech was stolen and made literally out of remnants of the cage so Id put in doubt whether its of psion origin
He wanted the light for himself
errant tapir
Villain wanna conquer every planet?
slim girder
Why did ghaul wanna attack us?
He wanted the light for himself
errant tapir
God damn
errant tapir
He wanted the light for himself
By this meaning he just wants to seal it?
sick yew
He even captured the Speaker to try and force some kind of deal or get the information on how to obtain it
errant tapir
Or learn how to use it?
sick yew
To which t he Speaker kinda literally told him to off himself
slim girder
@errant tapir After he got the light he was going to blow up the sun to destroy the solar system.
He wanted to become a guardian himself
And he did for a time but the traveler then destroyed him
slim girder
Yes
slim girder
Good
errant tapir
And if I have more questions, I'll forward it
slim girder
It'll give you a good idea of everything that happened during that time
errant tapir
Ok thanks
pale geyser
Destiny 2 makes the server off when we do not finish:
empty fern
Hmm
jagged badge
Destiny 2 makes the server off when we do not finish:
Is this lore? 
blazing wasp
Destiny 2 makes the server off when we do not finish:
#🟩server-status🟩 for the future to avoid this
pale geyser
Wrong chats my bad
lost abyss
If Zavala resigned or was KIA and died a final death, who would the position of Commander be given to? If such an event didn't lead to a significant change in the Last City's governmental structure, I'd say Ikora because she has already served a long time as Vanguard. Subsequently, I wonder if Saint or Sloane would take the vacant seat of Titan Vanguard. Not many Titans that wouldn't need new casting for a VA.
brittle dirge
I’m in a rise of iron mood so like why did d2 just remove the wall being destroyed and all that?
Why is it now spring forever?
I get removing the plague lands but not like very important details like that
I get roi is made to be forgotten but they aren’t doing well with so many SIVA ornaments
dim minnow
funny enough, before Cosmodrome was brought back in Beyond Light, we actually did go to the RoI version of it for the Thunderlord quest
brittle dirge
funny enough, before Cosmodrome was brought back in Beyond Light, we actually di...
Oh right I forgot about that
So that begs the question, why is it gone now?
I get the season changing but I also don’t think it’s perpetually spring
Or more so the wall wasn’t magically repaired
trim grotto
If Zavala resigned or was KIA and died a final death, who would the position of ...
Sloane would become Titan Vanguard, and she's already the Deputy Commander.
trim grotto
So that begs the question, why is it gone now?
There is no answer
brittle dirge
There is no answer
Great
ember storm
So that begs the question, why is it gone now?
because they justed ported over a version of the vanilla cosmodrome instead of the RoI remixed version seen in the plaguelands
lost abyss
Sloane would become Titan Vanguard, and she's already the Deputy Commander.
Is she still
trim grotto
Yes
lost abyss
I get roi is made to be forgotten but they aren’t doing well with so many SIVA o...
Seever forever reduced to an accessory
Well, there was that one time in Echoes. And, the recent quest for Outbreak with Ada. quest. Bungie seems to want the Plaguelands forgotten though. Shiro hasn't even made an in-game appearance since then.
You think he'd show up to see Cayde, they were close enough for his Ghost to speak at the funeral.
ember storm
Well, there was that one time in Echoes. And, the recent quest for Outbreak with...
we didn't even tell Cayde that Saint was alive, it wasn't really on the agenda
plus Ikora can vouch that seeing Cayde again didn't really make losing him a 2nd time any easier
errant tapir
Day 11 of asking fun facts lore
dim minnow
Day 11 of asking fun facts lore
Glint taught Mithrax what the word "idiot" means
lost abyss
plus Ikora can vouch that seeing Cayde again didn't really make losing him a 2nd...
I just find it odd, is all. Shiro was good friends with Cayde, and is still the only surviving member of Andal's fireteam.
slim girder
Sloane would become Titan Vanguard, and she's already the Deputy Commander.
Is she really the only candidate? Feel like Sloane is more concerned with ahsa even after season of the witch and she shares a bond.
trim grotto
No. But she's Deputy, so it's a logical choice.
slim girder
Wonder if there are any warlocks or titans in the running for the mantle. This whole time we've only really been looking at hunter vanguards
I don't see ikora going down anytime soon but still something to think about
dim minnow
I don't see ikora going down anytime soon but still something to think about
Aunor could be a good contender
but I don't think letting a Praxic get the seat would be a good idea
blazing wasp
She's a good contender initially on paper
But she's shown to sometimes be... Maybe not that good for the position
trim grotto
Aunor could be a good contender
disagree
lost abyss
disagree
I wouldn't want a Praxic in any sort of Last City leadership either. Especially since their order's values have become much more antiquated in recent times.
trim grotto
Well, yes, but it was more to do with the Vex.
The name is more of a reference to Egyptian mythology.
lost abyss
why is it called curse?
I miss this campaign. It suffered from the curse of Year 1's writing, but I liked seeing Osiris do literally anything.
trim grotto
curse of cleopatra?
Osiris is the Egyptian god of the underworld and the judge of the dead.
errant tapir
oh....
trim grotto
In actual Egyptian mythology, not in game
lost abyss
I think the title is just in reference to Osiris' namesake.
lost abyss
Well, yes, but it was more to do with the Vex.
The name is more of a reference t...
I wonder if it could be actually attributed to anything more relevant in-game, if you really wanted to interpret it beyond a referential titling.
lost abyss
Destiny's Osiris has always had a role similar to a prophet, so if I had to guess an in-universe significance, I'd say the curse of foresight. He didn't like the way his words were interpreted, but I suppose you could see that as a "Curse" too, which led him into exile. He even recently still had this role as a character, when he had visions of Neomuna from Savathûn, and still had difficulty getting others to understand, or validate his claims.
errant tapir
Why was he exiled?
Damn guys i just realised
Back in your guys days primary has limited capacity
trim grotto
aye
trim grotto
Why was he exiled?
He was once the Warlock Vanguard and Vanguard Commander. He failed at both of these, too stuck in his research. He made prophesies, and a cult formed around his words. He made no effort to stop them, and constantly decreed the Vex as a threat worse than the Darkness, of which he was also focused on researching, at a dark time.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/osiris
It was controversial, but the Speaker exiled him.
sick yew
Was Saint still titan vanguard when he went into the infinite Forrest in search of Osiris?
Or did he lay down his duty beforehand already
sick yew
Mhm?
errant tapir
OUR SUN BLEW UP?
trim grotto
No.
sick yew
No
trim grotto
No.
sick yew
No
He wanted to
But we stopped it
Blew up his bigass sun destroying laser space station aka the Almighty
trim grotto
The Almighty was a sun-destroyer acting as a failsafe measure.
errant tapir
blazing wasp
Without our sun we'd all kinda be dead.
errant tapir
What about this?
trim grotto
Not our sun.
sick yew
That was a different sun
errant tapir
Huh?
sick yew
They just wanted to show what the almighty could do in a cutscene
So they showed it blow up a random sun
Not ours
blazing wasp
We weren't told
trim grotto
Then which sun did blew up?
A random one from a prior Red Legion conquest.
errant tapir
Wadafak
blazing wasp
It wasnt important, it was just to show that they can blow up suns
sick yew
Yes
Well not him
The Rifleman who was the one that shot Sagira
That was the devour bullet
errant tapir
Ohhh
I think I saw that flashback
When Cayde tried to commune with traveller in tfs
Devotion sacrifice bravery
Death
The guardian oath
errant tapir
Okay guys I just watched red war
Took me like 2 hours
It was interesting
We met Hawthorne devrim
sick yew
That's when they were introduced yeah
frosty belfry
what company made shinobus vow bc their icon is in the cosmodrome
covert stone
Old Russian Aeronautics orgnaization
trim grotto
what company made shinobus vow bc their icon is in the cosmodrome
Given the name, presumably Shinobu made it herself from scavenged Cosmodrome parts, including a piece with the Russian Federal Bureau of Aeronautics, or PФБA, logo.
Shinobu was one of the Six Coyotes, a Hunter group including Micah-10, famous for scouting the Cosmodrome.
ivory thorn
I wish i had Prismatic for free
sleek matrix
How would you get it for free?
empty fern
Fight the witness
ember storm
I wish i had Prismatic for free
good lore
trim grotto
I wish i had Prismatic for free
For future reference, this channel is for discussing the lore and stories of Destiny. I would say you were probably after #✨destiny-discussion.
fast tapir
what is the lore behind this
errant tapir
Hello
What is the timeline on D2?
Start from beginning pls
I wanna experience all of it
dim minnow
What is the timeline on D2?
That's a loaded question
And something to note is that we don't have exact dates
dim minnow
Destiny tends to be really secretive on when exactly things take place
And there is a lot of events to go over
A good idea would be to watch Byf's comprehensive timeline video
errant tapir
10 hours?
dim minnow
It's a long watch
dim minnow
Probably, depends on the video
dim minnow
Of course if you're referring to the timeline of stuff that just happens in game, I did make some brief summaries
Should be in the pins of this channel
errant tapir
Ok thanks
frosty belfry
is there any exotic or lore book involved with television
snow plover
Between saint 14, shaxx and Saladin, who's the strongest?
slim girder
is there any exotic or lore book involved with television
Two tailed fox is the equivalent of an anime opening song
trim grotto
Between saint 14, shaxx and Saladin, who's the strongest?
Tough question. There isn't really a way to measure it, to be honest. Each of them have their impressive conquests.
trim grotto
is there any exotic or lore book involved with television
Two Tailed Fox would be the closest bet. Or... the intermittent entries of Cloud Strider Legacies.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-cloud-strider-legacies
Also, Crucible is televised.
trim grotto
I wanna experience all of it
Are you referring to all time, all lore, or in game release order like Red War, Curse of Osiris, Warmind
slim girder
Cloud strider legacies is like a kids show
ember storm
That is television
errant tapir
Are you referring to all time, all lore, or in game release order like Red War, ...
In game release order
Red war until tfs
trim grotto
Does this also include Seasons or just DLC
errant tapir
Seasons too
trim grotto
Seasons too
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vl8m-bLhCOLLMyLGjbsoqiediyWHbGRtxxjLMd0tw4Y/edit?usp=drivesdk
One of our Cryptarchs - with aid from Dova - has been working on this little project
Should have the info you need
errant tapir
Oracle in vex context, in VoG
trim grotto
They're similar to the Gorgons. Ontological forces weaving and burning existence as they see fit.
Anything to do with the VoG is vaguely related to time or existence
errant tapir
Also in VoG u guys mentioned that we do not have info.
Did VoG suddenly appear one day?
trim grotto
Hard to say when it appeared. It's been around for years, long enough to be known as a legend.
trim grotto
Oracle in vex context, in VoG
The Templar and the Oracles guard the way into the deeper Vault. Legends say that the Oracles foresee what is to come, a world as the Vex desire it - and that the Templar has the power to shape reality to match the Oracles' design, expunging any threats.
errant tapir
```The Templar and the Oracles guard the way into the deeper Vault. Legends say ...
The templar is pantheon? The boss?
trim grotto
Atheon is the last boss of the Vault. The Templar is the midway boss. The giant Hydra.
ember storm
It’s still just Venus
The vault is all about time
What you see in the portals is distant pasts and futures
brittle dirge
What you see in the portals is distant pasts and futures
Note for this
Precursor Vex: White and gold with triangular shapes are the PAST Vex
Descendant Vex: Green and blue with circular shapes are FUTURE Vex
ember storm
Yeah I know that
errant tapir
Wait wait wait
brittle dirge
Yeah I know that
I was mostly saying for the other guy
ember storm
That’s what precursor and descendent mean
ember storm
I am an avid CoO hater 
errant tapir
How come I only see gold
ember storm
THERE ARE BLUE VEX?
Not really blue
They’re just rusted
They’re the vex that are shaped like donuts
brittle dirge
THERE ARE BLUE VEX?
ember storm
They are only in VoG now
trim grotto
Where do they appear?
Rarely.
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Everything else that had them is gone
brittle dirge
I think I've never seen them
They are rarer than precursor
They used to be in curse of Osiris and a few other activities
They’re in next to nothing now
trim grotto
The various Vex collectives largely amalgamated into one larger collective by the time of D2. The Sol Divisive are one of the few remaining independent groups.
brittle dirge
They used to be in curse of Osiris and a few other activities
They’re in next ...
Sucks they’re my favorite next to divisive or aphix invasive
Also virgo prohibition
ember storm
How many people do you think know that taken models are all from D1
I mean mostly just the cabal but you can see it on hive too
brittle dirge
How many people do you think know that taken models are all from D1
Have they still not made them different
ember storm
I don’t think it really matters much tbh
It was neat storytelling back in the early days of D2
brittle dirge
It’s very obvious for cabal due to cabal looking entirely different in d1
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Plus there haven’t really been any taken wars where individuals have actually gone and been taken
All we have are specific examples of bosses which almost always get unique models
brittle dirge
Plus there haven’t really been any taken wars where individuals have actually go...
I always loved that one scene where the cabal legionary gets taken in front of us
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It was a centurion actually
brittle dirge
It was a centurion actually <:Clueless:1311988623582822450>
Yeah I just noticed that
I looked back
Close enough though
slim girder
Where do they appear?
Last time they appeared was last season during a special story mission.
It's usually a special instance if either the descendants or precursor vex appear like multiple timelines are converging
brittle dirge
Last time they appeared was last season during a special story mission.
It's usu...
Oh right I forgot about that
Last season was also our first precursor wyvren
slim girder
Yes
brittle dirge
So that was cool
slim girder
And a remake of the martyr mind
brittle dirge
Wish they made it a boss like persys but like
Also persys is no longer special as there’s divisive wyvrens now
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Also another reminder that wyverns aren’t a combat unit that the vex only recently decided to make
I hate Calus for this
brittle dirge
Also another reminder that wyverns aren’t a combat unit that the vex only recent...
I forgot the reason why
Wasn’t it because they are the first semi “combat” frames
The other guys were just like civs right
ember storm
No actually
In fact every wyvern boss we’ve faced has been in the same general management/assignment role that Minotaurs and hydras are in
People just take the gameplay and decide it’s the same as the lore
brittle dirge
People just take the gameplay and decide it’s the same as the lore
I thought Calus stated the vex we fought before were like farmers and shit
ember storm
Yes, which is true
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Calus did say that, but who says Calus is right
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He just ended that message by teasing us with “the day they send real warriors”
brittle dirge
Calus did say that, but who says Calus is right
We still haven’t seen vex combat frames
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People assume wyverns fit that description
They don’t
Vex don’t have combat frames
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We still haven’t seen vex combat frames
We don’t know that they’re even a thing
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They do not war like we do
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Why would Vex need them?
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Special reminder the martyr mind was a vex mind specially and meticulously designed to directly combat and kill Saint
And it was just a giant hobgoblin
brittle dirge
Why would Vex need them?
To kill us
If they could kill Saint with just normal frames what could they do with ones built for war?
ember storm
They don’t make combat frames
They do not participate in war like we do
They do not go into any areas with the specific intent to fight
brittle dirge
Special reminder the martyr mind was a vex mind specially and meticulously desig...
Yes and it was quite efficient
It then came back in mission shell and nobody cared because it served zero purpose in that mission pretty much
ember storm
The vex are not under any threat of losing territory and literally have an infinite amount of time to spend whittling us down
They simply won’t spend the resources trying out combat units because they don’t need to
brittle dirge
They simply won’t spend the resources trying out combat units because they don’t...
Honestly vex should just send 800000 supplicants
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Yes and it was quite efficient
Waltz’ point was this Vex designed specifically for combative purposes was a frame of Vex we’ve already seen before and not a supposed “combat Vex”
brittle dirge
Waltz’ point was this Vex designed specifically for combative purposes was a fra...
Okay I understand now
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Vex don’t need combat Vex because they already are combat Vex basically
ember storm
Vex are “farmers and engineers and managers” because that is literally their entire existence
They don’t even see our interactions as war
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Aside from that little snag with paracausality, the Vex are already the biggest threat in the universe
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We’re simply aberrant patterns that will be corrected eventually, it is a guarantee at this point
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I mean hobgoblins from what we know are just… normal guys
That’s the point
Every vex is a “normal guy”
They don’t have soldiers or generals
brittle dirge
Aside from that little snag with paracausality, the Vex are already the biggest ...
If lightbearer vex were possible we’d probably be fucked
But I don’t think it even is
ember storm
Their guns are tools firsthand and weapons secondhand
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I’m pretty sure the new Grimoire has something hinting at paracausal Vex
brittle dirge
They don’t have soldiers or generals
They have minds
Which aren’t generals but can act close to them
A general gives orders
Minds give orders
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Minds literally just inhabit the bodies of the standard frames around them
They’re network intelligences
The Minds are the only actual distinctive ones
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Ah here it is
Osiris sends a message to Ikora urging the Vanguard to prioritise the Vex as a threat once again
Time is inevitably limited, until the Vex in their infinite adaptability learn how Light and Darkness both may be turned to their advantage.```Minds can think
Other vex forces can not
Sorta… because last season there were golden age persons being put into them and thus, they had minds
ember storm
Not exactly no
Vex Minds are literally the only minds of the vex
They inhabit all the chassis’s of the frames around them
It’s not a unique individual for every goblin in one sector
brittle dirge
```We may not yet have seen what happens when the Vex grasp the Light, but I ass...
They have used the darkness before
Sol divisive worked for the witness and also… you know… the black heart
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Also the experiments Maya was doing were specially designed exo frames just made with vex technology with the express purpose of housing simulated Chioma
They aren’t representative of how the vex work at all
brittle dirge
Also the experiments Maya was doing were specially designed exo frames just made...
I found that one lab oddly disturbing
Where there was a full on vex head put on a exo body
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Just ignore the fact we just took one home and put it in a cabinet in the helm
brittle dirge
Just ignore the fact we just took one home and put it in a cabinet in the helm
Yeah and also not even the full body
Just the bust
How is Ikora okay with that
Out of all people I think she’d be the most pissed
slim girder
I wish there was a destiny version of Santa. Like you could have xur by orders of the nine start leaving gifts in random places
Or a malfunctioning tower frame with an incessant need to give gifts
ember storm
I wish there was a destiny version of Santa. Like you could have xur by orders o...
Oryx is basically the Santa for the hive’s Inversion Day
errant tapir
Dead santa
lost abyss
I love inversion day.
slim girder
Oryx is basically the Santa for the hive’s Inversion Day
Instead of Christmas he inverts everyone.
lost abyss
Every year his brood has an all expenses paid (In blood) trip to an alien world, and invert them in celebration.
uneven mulch
why does failsafe have two voices
trim grotto
why does failsafe have two voices
Firstly: Failsafe has been somewhat malfunctioning for centuries. She's been on Nessus for a long time, alone. It hasn't exactly done her stability any favours.
Secondly: It's a politeness filter! She spends some excess power to... translate her comments into one more befitting of a ship AI. "Nice" Failsafe is that filter.
Normally it'd be always active, but...
uneven mulch
Firstly: Failsafe has been somewhat malfunctioning for centuries. She's been on ...
and the average emo 16 year old is the original failsafe?
trim grotto
Essentially. Back in the Golden Age, the crew would likely have only ever known Polite Failsafe, but she regularly disengages her socialization filter due to the power drain. It's a very precious resource for a shipwreck, after all.
uneven mulch
hold on
i just found out osiris and saint 14 are in a relationship
since when was that a thing?
trim grotto
since when was that a thing?
Season of Dawn, meta wise. Far longer in universe.
errant tapir
Essentially. Back in the Golden Age, the crew would likely have only ever known ...
So... In this episode, we managed to move failsafe to last city yes? Cozy place, has lots of electricity/fuel
trim grotto
Actually, no. She's got an uplink to the HELM, but she's still physically on Nessus.
I do have qualms about this.
errant tapir
What is qualm?
Is failsafe fully integrated within the ship?
Can we just dismantle some parts while holding failsafe together and just mount her in last city?
Coz failsafe is kind of a good guy
She helped us rescue cayde
She family now
slim girder
Is failsafe fully integrated within the ship?
She is fully integrated into the helm now. However she still can operate on Nessus. There was even a bit said by eido when the helm crashed that we had to retrieve her from Europa so she is definitely off of nessus now
trim grotto
What is qualm?
slim girder
She's with us but nothing stopping her from reconnecting to her old Nessus frame should we need to go there for something
Though I'm sure the helm crashing was the last thing she wanted considering it happened to her already with her old ship
slim girder
Yes.
errant tapir
YAY
slim girder
Her old ship is yes but she's been fully transferred and integrated to the helm
trim grotto
She is fully integrated into the helm now. However she still can operate on Ness...
Eido: So much has happened… I can’t believe the H.E.L.M. is gone. At last we managed to salvage a small section of the ship from Europa. We couldn’t leave poor Failsafe alone out there again. We must operate out of the Last City for now. And so… Welcome to my Tonic Shop.
This, I assume? I don't think this strictly means she's fully uploaded to the HELM.
Just that Eido didn't want her alone, uplink or otherwise
slim girder
```Eido: So much has happened… I can’t believe the H.E.L.M. is gone. At last we ...
Yes. And also she's able to commandeer the helm like a fully fledged AI would.
trim grotto
Yes, that's true.
slim girder
I don't think she'd be flying ships while still on Nessus
sick yew
Shes probably just screen sharing herself there and remote connecting from Nessus
trim grotto
An uplink doesn't mean she's actually hosted there.
slim girder
When it says she's fully integrated in my eyes that means she's fully been brought to the helm. Again she was able to take control of the helm and eido said we had to retrieve her from Europa after the crash. So to me i believe she has fully left Nessus but is still definitely capable of hooking back up to the exodus black should the need arise
trim grotto
This screenshot is from the quest objective to end Episode Echoes, after we dealt with the Conductor. Remote uplink means she's still on Nessus.
slim girder
But then if you go talk to her in the helm it says "fully integrated" and now resides in the uncrashable helm (pre revenant ofc)
trim grotto
When it says she's fully integrated in my eyes that means she's fully been broug...
Eido's comment means nothing. If we abandoned the HELM, Failsafe would be abandoned on Europa and Nessus.
trim grotto
But then if you go talk to her in the helm it says "fully integrated" and now re...
Yes, but integrated doesn't mean it isn't an uplink, either.
trim grotto
Wait what is the enemy on nessus again?
Vex, mostly.
errant tapir
The cape/cloak things
trim grotto
I... what?
slim girder
No the robots
errant tapir
No the other ones
trim grotto
??
errant tapir
They have 4 arms
trim grotto
Fallen?
slim girder
No the fallen are a secondary threat on Nessus
trim grotto
Scavengers, mostly.
trim grotto
Probably even more by now. That comment is a few years old.
slim girder
True
sick yew
As we found out via last Episodes collectibles even the wildlife has some form of Vex stuff in or on them
Theyve adapted to it
trim grotto
And we knew the plantlife had that too, since the Red War
sick yew
Correct
Remember when they teased the Infinite Forrest on one of those Nessus scanables
Funny times
slim girder
Probably even more by now. That comment is a few years old.
But that's even more fuel to my belief failsafe has been fully transferred to us from Nessus. Yes she is technically still physically on Nessus I don't deny that but as of now she is the helms AI enough to the point she can take control of it in flight and that we had to retrieve her from Europa to get her back to the city.
sick yew
Shes an Ai she can assume control from halfway across the system no issue
slim girder
Correct but now her home is the helm. We even have lore of conversations with different characters like ghost, Osiris and even nimbus sending her messages in the helm like the AI of a ship would do.
sick yew
I think they are doing that to make her feel more at home
So she feels like she is on the Helm now properly even tho shes technically speaking still on Nessus
slim girder
Which makes sense as the helm is her new home. We want to welcome her and we've even gifted her 3 pets.
sick yew
Correct
trim grotto
To be honest, I cannot find anything stating she has anything more than a well integrated remote uplink. I've been going back over all the dialogue of the Episode.
sick yew
One can only pray we dont control the Helm into a tunnel
Or that shit crashes instantly
@trim grotto btw when was the last time Clvois got mentioned? Is there anything on what bro has been up to since Seraph or is he still just sitting silently on Europa
trim grotto
<@238506376165457920> btw when was the last time Clvois got mentioned? Is there ...
Not much since Seraph really
slim girder
To be honest, I cannot find anything stating she has anything more than a well i...
To me I don't think a "remote uplink" would be enough for her to just step in and control the ship in an emergency. Ever since echoes ended I believe that it's no longer the case of her having an uplink. The whole episode was all about her integrating her so she could help her deal with the conductor and aside from the battlegrounds activities it seems everything she did was from the safety of the helm.
sick yew
:(
trim grotto
To me I don't think a "remote uplink" would be enough for her to just step in an...
I know what you think. However, I'm trying to find actual writing or dialogue on it.
Lost Signal presents a case.
slim girder
I've read that. She's asking a fireteam to reconnect to the helm and when they don't she just sits feeling depressed in the helm. Even though that fireteam was on Nessus.
trim grotto
Yes, which is why it presents a case.
slim girder
I do wonder what that fireteam was actually doing though. I don't recall a cave of any sorts
I guess it's probably nothing though just some more lore to pad the episode
trim grotto
Well, we found one ourselves. Breach Executable I think it was, first found via a cave in in a Well.
slim girder
True that might be it
trim grotto
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ix-tech-support
The final entry of Polyphony is a mark against full upload - she's still dealing with the XBLK low power issues
Another message was a scheduled reminder to familiarize herself with the H.E.L.M. systems, which were woefully unprepared for the kind of worst-case scenario she had encountered with the Exodus Black. She would have to update the safety systems, bring emergency transmat relays online, calculate possible terrestrial touchdown sites in the unlikely event of a forced landing… unquestionably important work, but, for the first time, she felt it could wait. Also thanks for not waiting too long on this Failsafe
I enjoyed not dying on Europa
slim girder
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ix-tech-support
The final entry of Pol...
Considering she "happily" dismisses the low power notifications from the EXBK it seems like she's less worried about her old body.
trim grotto
She's happily dismissing it because she's gaining reserve power
It was lower before, and references an earlier entry
slim girder
First time I read that I thought it was wholesome that she has regular messages telling her to familiarise herself with the helm.
slim girder
She's happily dismissing it because she's *gaining* reserve power
Yes. Sry I should have also added that
trim grotto
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/i-impact
In this entry she was on 4%
By that one, she's up to 7%
Well I've gone over as much relevant dialogue and as many relevant lore entries as I could find and none of it was particularly conclusive about whether she is fully uploaded to the HELM or just very well integrated via remote uplink
I'm going to stick to the former as far as I have interpreted it but if you find something with a little more stick to it, let me know
slim girder
No worries. It's still my belief that she is fully integrated and is now the helms ai due to all the lore that's been put out and but obviously unless it's explicitly stated by bungie then it can always be disproven. I'll keep looking for anything.
lost abyss
Poor Failsafe, not even a few months after her integration and her (Possibly) new home was crashed because of a large stinky zombie king.
slim girder
Poor Failsafe, not even a few months after her integration and her (Possibly) ne...
At least her crew is alive this time though and she was retrieved afterwards.
Ngl though I was kinda expecting her to make a joke about deja vu or something after the crash.
lost abyss
At least her crew is alive this time though and she was retrieved afterwards.
N...
Perks of being friends with Risen
slim girder
"Captain, I'm glad this time I wasn't stranded on a planet" switches filter "Ugh whyyyy does this keep happening to me"
ruby pivot
are the enemies in vesper house scorn or fallen
pretty sure its fallen right?
my friend is telling me its scorn
i dont see those little shits doing the dark ether run
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are the enemies in vesper house scorn or fallen
Vesper’s Host has all Fallen enemies
ruby pivot
i am being gaslighted by my friend that they are scorn because they are "dead"
timber linden
i come back and ask this every season but so far into revenant has the shadows or yor of dredgen yor been mentioned i heard a rumour going around a few months back that they might be mentioned again? haven’t had time to play it through yet.
trim grotto
No.
slim girder
i am being gaslighted by my friend that they are scorn because they are "dead"
They are not dead. More possessed imo.
sleek matrix
There undead fallen
slim girder
Scorn yes. Not the fallen in vespers
sleek matrix
Scorn yes. Not the fallen in vespers
Fallen are fallen
trim grotto
Fallen are fallen
We're saying that there aren't Scorn in Vesper's.
sleek matrix
Yea
hollow hinge
They may be undead fallen but that doesn't make them Scorn
slim girder
The fallen in vespers are not dead.
Their minds have just been merged into one under the one intelligence of the white captain
dim minnow
yeah Corruption puppets =/= Scorn
in multiple ways
since Scorn can have their own thoughts
though Witness Scorn specifically are more similar
errant tapir
Day 12 of asking fun facts lore
dim minnow
Day 12 of asking fun facts lore
Cayde canonically died on a Tuesday (not referring to TFS I'm referring to when he originally died in Forsaken)
errant tapir
Cayde canonically died on a Tuesday (not referring to TFS I'm referring to when ...
damn
slim girder
Yes. Ana bray spent years teaching him about human culture so he could make better decisions to protect humanity.
Back in D1 and in D2 he often had ballet music playing as a way to signal us to certain things
dim minnow
he was made to be an AI so advanced that he would surpass humanity
then Clovis Bray would obtain him and would develop him further into the Warmind
slim girder
Clovis didn't like an AI being human and saw only power.
Even attempting to take control of Rasputin in season of the seraph which would have been imo cataclysmic.
lost abyss
Cayde canonically died on a Tuesday (not referring to TFS I'm referring to when ...
The Hidden may want to study the Tuesday phenomenon. Suspiciously, things only happen on that day.
errant tapir
Is fynch a gud guy?
trim grotto
That is a topic of debate during the campaign of Witch Queen. Playing it should answer your question.
slim girder
Is fynch a gud guy?
Bad guy trying to right his wrongs for siding with savathun
slim girder
But you'd get way more context if you played the expansion. That explains it in much more detail.
errant tapir
I'm lazy 😦
slim girder
How did fynch meet savathun?
Lots of ghosts felt sad they didn't find their guardians so savathun took advantage of that.
Again play the expansion
It'll give you all the answers you're looking for
brittle dirge
Lots of ghosts felt sad they didn't find their guardians so savathun took advant...
Savathûn is a massive manipulator
That’s like her whole character trait
slim girder
There's a lore card of her coaxing some trapped ghosts into reviving hive guardians by saying "you want to help the traveler don't you?"
ruby pivot
ai treated to be a human
The AI was fascinated with the humans and their creation, the human was fascinated with the power and immortality of the AI
who else but clovis bray i guess
brittle dirge
Day 12 of asking fun facts lore
Atraks’ title, the wildcard, was actually foreshadowing her becoming the fallen exo we know now
slim girder
Yes
brittle dirge
DSC raid and vesper host dungeon boss
Previous member of Eramis’ council, first (and currently only known) fallen exo
sick yew
Atraks’ title, the wildcard, was actually foreshadowing her becoming the fallen ...
The wildcard? Where was that title mentioned
brittle dirge
Yeah all of Eramis’ council had titles like that
It’s just since we never exactly hunted or spoke to Atraks you kinda have to read to find that out
empty fern
Eremjs pulled a baron?
empty fern
Mad bomber 
brittle dirge
Except with Eramis’ council I can remember their names and titles
I can’t remember like any of the baron’s names
Only their titles
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I think I tried my hand at remembering them somewhat recently and got most of them so lemme try again
empty fern
True
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Reksis Vahn, the Hangman
Pirrha, the Rifleman
Araskes, the Trickster
Yaviks, the Rider
Kaniks, the Mad Bomber
Hiraks, the Mindbender
Fikrul, the Fanatic
Now to see who I’ve forgotten or got wrong
empty fern
Lotta Ks
brittle dirge
Actual such a fallen moment
Majority of fallen names are easy as they have ending suffixes like human names
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OHHH
I MISSED ONE
Elykris, the Machinist
But I got the rest right
Holy shit
Why am I like this
brittle dirge
Aksis, Atraks, Eramis, etc.
All end with s’s
empty fern
Elykris, the Machinist
Somehow the only baron that’s still kinda alive (dreaming city and rev)
brittle dirge
There are examples that don’t though
Vosik is one off the top of my head
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Somehow the only baron that’s still kinda alive (dreaming city and rev)
Well, she’s Scorn now but I guess
brittle dirge
Fun fact: vosik was supposed to have the title the machinist before the forsaken baron
It was scrapped and reused for her
brittle dirge
Honestly I think roi went through development hell
How the fuck are these the same character concept art or not
empty fern
Definitely siva’d the hell out of it
Wonder how it would’ve turned out if it wasn’t all that red
Also wow you can see the quality of that arm cannon, time sure has passed
brittle dirge
Wonder how it would’ve turned out if it wasn’t all that red
SIVA was for sure not always in the ideas for ROI
Concept art doesn’t show it at all
empty fern
Oh they kept the atraks design?
And they used this almost flood looking design for the enemies? Neat
Wonder what the idea was in early development, like the theme
brittle dirge
Oh they kept the atraks design?
And they used this almost flood looking design ...
*aksis
empty fern
Oops
brittle dirge
The aksis design isn’t exactly the same
brittle dirge
He wasn’t attached to wires but rather the wall in the real game
empty fern
They kept the 4 legs, (and stuck with it through beyond light)
brittle dirge
They kept the 4 legs, (and stuck with it through beyond light)
He was last mentioned in bl then forgot about
brittle dirge
When did they show this cutscene
I found it I’m not sure
empty fern
Bruh
empty fern
ember storm
When did they show this cutscene
This was just part of the D1 veteran system
empty fern
Ancient
ember storm
On the character screen you get to see your D1 feats
Pretty sure you can still look at it
copper isle
can some one help me pelase
i make mistake while dissmantle
try to take back
can some one help me please
cant use also
cant use
slim girder
@trim grotto more evidence for failsafe officially being a helm AI now. She's now upgraded to V3 of herself and it says she's in charge of advanced vanguard operations. Also when you look at her in the helm she's labelled as a Helm AI.
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<@238506376165457920> more evidence for failsafe officially being a helm AI now....
She’s still physically located on Nessus. On the H.E.L.M. it’s a remote uplink. She’s even just a hologram there
ember storm
<@238506376165457920> more evidence for failsafe officially being a helm AI now....
V3 only happens because of the upgrades in act 3
You manually upgrade her in act 2 and act 3
She’s integrated with the helm but anything happening to the helm won’t affect her
All her actual physical systems and ai is in the exodus black
If that were destroyed she’d just shut down completely
jagged badge
And it’s spread across miles of wreckage right?
slim girder
V3 only happens because of the upgrades in act 3
If that were the case then it means nothing if she's still on nessus. Not like she just brought the upgrades back to nessus. Also she has enough control as to commandeer the helm when it crashed and we had to retrieve her form eutopa. She's also been told to familiarize herself in the helm and we have given her gifts like pets to welcome her.
ember storm
Yeah that’s the point
The helm gives her a new window to a different ship
We did not literally move failsafe from the exodus black to the helm
It’s an integration that lets her ai access the helm’s systems
This is why it’s literally a hologram projection of her core on the exodus black
We upgraded the systems she uses on the helm
slim girder
She now monitors her old body. But she's a full helm ai now. Yes her body is still on nessus but that AI has been moved into them helm just like rasputin did with the exo frame
ember storm
They are completely different situations
Rasputin had to be built back up from the ground up using an engram containing a fraction of his original code
Failsafe’s current situation would be more like the exo frame originally just giving Clovis an access point
slim girder
This is why it’s literally a hologram projection of her core on the exodus black
Because that's what she looks like. What's supposed to be there? Obviously we can't bring the exodus black to the helm. and that central unit really would just be her "face"
ember storm
Failsafe would not have had an entire conversation at the end of echoes about us leaving her again if she were just a permanent addition to the helm now
Her entire being is still housed on Nessus
jagged badge
I don’t really get why you even care about it being one way or the other
What difference does it ultimately make?
ember storm
They should bring Asher back instead
slim girder
What difference does it ultimately make?
Me and mael were just having a friendly debate is all and he told me to ping if i found something.
slim girder
Failsafe would not have had an entire conversation at the end of echoes about us...
That was more because the mission was over. Not like she just disconnected and went back to nessus. As we saw in the intro for this episode she's still very much residing in the helm
She'll miss working with us because we've dealt with that threat for the time being
jagged badge
That was more because the mission was over. Not like she just disconnected and w...
She can reside in the H.E.L.M.
With the uplink
And she can assume control of its systems, which isn’t really that out of the question for her to be able to do
slim girder
I don't think it's just an uplink if she's able to take control of the helm. Also why would she just go back to nessus? we have been told many times that she was lonely there but now with all the upgrades we've given her she is as the subtext says "fully intergrated" to the point she is called a helm AI and is charge of vanguard ops. I don't think she'd be given that role if she was still on nessus. Yes her body is on nessus and yes if that was lost we might not know what would happen but as with rasputin it is possible to have an ai transfer over completely which is what i believe is the case here. And after the helm crashed we had to retrieve her form Europa. if it was just an uplink why didn't she just zap back to nessus since that's where she still is. If this was an uplink then why is it spoken like we had to go get her back?
She lives in the helm and she can still go to nessus and use her old exodus black body as she always has but now she has a new home to go to with us in the helm
jagged badge
I don't think it's just an uplink if she's able to take control of the helm. Als...
Why couldn’t she remotely control the H.E.L.M.?
I don’t get why you’re imposing that arbitrary limitation
slim girder
Why couldn’t she remotely control the H.E.L.M.?
That's a lot of control to give something who is still on another planet even if she's an ally. I just don't see why she wouldn't be a helm AI now. Again her body is still on nessus and she can still go there but she has no reason to and can instead live in the fancy helm that we spent a whole episode bringing her into. Not like we just plopped a beacon down and gave her control. She had to be upgraded and properly intergtated. And now she is and is the official ai for the helm. I would fully expect her to still be around when the helm flies again if it does.
ember storm
That's a lot of control to give something who is still on another planet even if...
You’re saying it like it was a normal occurrence we talked through and agreed on
Remote steering of the helm was shut off, Failsafe just had access to the internal systems and nudged it toward Europa instead of just letting it drift
She didn’t have much reach outside of just that
The words she used was “assuming control”
slim girder
And then when it crashed a point was made that we had to go get her from Europa. If she was just controlling the ship from nessus that wouldn't have been necessary. It was also said we didn't want to leave failsafe all alone there.
She would have been back to square one if the helm crashed and we did nothing
ember storm
And then when it crashed a point was made that we had to go get her from Europa....
We got the helm
Eido said she wouldn’t want failsafe to be on a ship that also was left crashed
ember storm
The helm is now in the city
slim girder
Eido said she wouldn’t want failsafe to be on a ship that also was left crashed
I know. I was just saying that's what would have happened if we'd just done nothing.
ember storm
I don’t think you’re really getting the point
We very much would have gone and reclaimed the helm, failsafe or not
Eido’s entire character is just bringing personal feelings into otherwise objective and professional operations which is why they wrote the point of her referencing failsafe
sleek matrix
Eido is also naive
ember storm
For failsafe, what happened was she was given a new look into a functioning ship, a ship that then crashed
Eido just feels good about the fact that the new ship wasn’t also just left to rot on hostile ground
sleek matrix
And it wouldn't of been a good idea to leave the helm abandoned
There could of been valuable stuff left behind
Regardless of failsafe
slim girder
Like failsafe. Both are valuable assets.
slim girder
Comparing a colony AI to a warmind capable of planetary destruction is a bit of a stretch imo. I'd say comparing failsafe to astrea from vespers is more plausible
ember storm
The fact is failsafe wouldn’t have been “stuck” in the helm if we left it there
All her actual systems are still on the Exodus black
Nothing changed about that
sleek matrix
Soon as she connected to the helm she got caught up in what happened
Yes but also she defo using the helm systems its more of a transfer
slim girder
She's spoken about upgrading the helm in some lore cards. Once again yes her main systems are on Nessus I'm not saying she's completely abandoned them or anything. But now she has a new home on the helm with much more advanced tech she can use instead. So now her nessus systems can have a more secondary role which failsafe herself has even said she's happy about, dismissing messages and just letting her old body build it's charge now that she doesn't have to worry about it
ember storm
The low power came from overusing her happiness filter in order to act more appealing to get us to like her more and spend more time with her
She deactivates it in the middle of echoes
slim girder
The low power came from overusing her happiness filter in order to act more appe...
The low power was because of incursions. She said this when reading one of the alerts.
Since we've been keeping everything at bay.
lost abyss
You think Failsafe and Ana would get along? It isn't Rasputin, but she has a knack for teaching, and treating AI. Failsafe might consult her if she really wanted to experience the world through a more human lens, like an Exo frame. Ana and Elsie already made good progress on Rasputin's frame during Seraph, they'll be familiar with the task.
slim girder
You think Failsafe and Ana would get along? It isn't Rasputin, but she has a kna...
I'm sure they would.
errant tapir
Day 13 of asking fun facts lore
brittle dirge
Day 13 of asking fun facts lore
Kovik’s monster is the only non-fallen siva enemy
As they are a hive ogre
brittle dirge
Who is kovik?
Kovik, the devil splicer’s priest
https://www.destinypedia.com/Kovik,_Splicer_Priest
he did experiments with multiple things
ember storm
Kovik’s monster is the only non-fallen siva enemy
Would the siege engine not count
It’s human tech
also the iron lords
errant tapir
I'd remember if I see a triangle head four arms looking one
native egret
Again, it was d1 only
errant tapir
GAH DAMN
brittle dirge
The ogre was from the silent brood
brittle dirge
Would the siege engine not count
I guess so
But like the fallen took it to make it their own so like idk
brittle dirge
The iron lords I get 100%
ember storm
10 years Ago we've lost
In terms of what
errant tapir
The ogre was from the silent brood
https://www.destinypedia.com/Kovik%27s_Mons...
Ogre originate from hive yes?
ember storm
Ogre are hive
brittle dirge
Ogre originate from hive yes?
Yes
errant tapir
Kovik’s monster is the only non-fallen siva enemy
Non fallen Siva enemy?
So usually fallen are Siva?
Wut?
brittle dirge
So usually fallen are Siva?
No
brittle dirge
There was a faction in d1 called the Devil splicers in rise of iron
sleek matrix
They were imbued with siva
brittle dirge
They used SIVA to fight
errant tapir
Oh
brittle dirge
ember storm
Rise of Iron was a filler dlc bungie had to make when activision told them they had to get started on D2
ember storm
Koviks is a fallen yes?
How did a fallen manage to get an ogre?
Hive tried invading earth at the start of D1
Emphasis on tried
We killed their leaders and Crota so the only hive left were just remnants in the cosmodrome
brittle dirge
Koviks is a fallen yes?
How did a fallen manage to get an ogre?
He kidnapped it as they were fighting the splicers
ember storm
Devil splicers empowered with siva just managed to clean house and isolate them for capture
brittle dirge
Rise of Iron was a filler dlc bungie had to make when activision told them they ...
It’s more than that
It’s peak
ember storm
Yeah but that’s literally the situation
brittle dirge
Yeah but that’s literally the situation
I guess so yeah
ember storm
Devil splicers only exist because it’s all bungie could manage to make at the time
brittle dirge
But they did do good for filler
ember storm
Reskinned fallen with a couple new grenades
It’s why the concept art was distinctly not siva themed
brittle dirge
It’s why the concept art was distinctly not siva themed
The concept art was wild
ember storm
Really half life coded imo
brittle dirge
The flood like designs for the base guys was something I wanted to see
Vosik being a minigun gun was certainly an early choice
I do really like ROI and SIVA
But to think what if they were just normal fallen?
If the concept art came to light and actually leaned into the horror more (which I wish they did)
ember storm
I do really like ROI and SIVA
But to think what if they were just normal falle...
Honestly I feel like at certain points it would be a lot more scary/threatening
Like all SIVA does is cover people in big black polygons and red licorice
But imagine if the iron lords were like, puppeted by fallen machinery welded into their skeletons or something
Aksis hacking himself to pieces and replacing it with shank/servitor parts