A mysterious power?
#📚lore-discussion
trim grotto
A mysterious power?
That's what the Episodes have been all about. Do you have access to them?
errant tapir
That's what the Episodes have been all about. Do you have access to them?
i....
am lazy
XD
slim girder
@errant tapir this will explain the echoes and what they are https://youtu.be/-PYzMqhu3Fs?feature=shared
sick yew
First one we found was rhe Artifact of command I think it's called
Basically let's you control people in this case Maya Sundaresh used it to carve out a Vex network for herself and planned to take over Sol basically
errant tapir
First one we found was rhe Artifact of command I think it's called
Basically let...
ooo... is it in the encore exotic mission?
slim girder
No.
trim grotto
ooo... is it in the encore exotic mission?
what no
it's the entire episode
no offence Varo but you can literally experience this, actively, yourself
Like I'm always happy to talk lore but
It's right there
sick yew
ooo... is it in the encore exotic mission?
Encore is just where we find her sort of base of operations and learn some stuff about her motivation and stuff
slim girder
Watch that video I sent. And also play it for yourself. You'll learn everything you want to know
That's the best option
tough badge
any lore behind what those builds are?
trim grotto
any lore behind what those builds are?
Actually, no.
sick yew
any lore behind what those builds are?
I think it's a baller pizza place
tough badge
I think it's a baller pizza place
tower of pizza?
sick yew
Possibly
trim grotto
Pure gameplay.
Or maybe you can't swim.
Season of the Deep was an entire season involving us going under Titan's methane ocean.
Literally in the liquid
slim girder
question
It's just gameplay. I would assume we are capable of at the very least treading water.
On the subject though I absolutely loved season of the deeps vibe. Going underwater for the first time felt so cool..
I did feel a little disappointed when Sloane wasn't cured. Especially due to drifters knowledge of taken considering he uses them in gambit
desert tree
quick question: does Saint-14 have an Exotic weapon that he uses but also we can use in game?
I know Perfect Paradox exists before anyone mentions it
jagged badge
quick question: does Saint-14 have an Exotic weapon that he uses but also we can...
I guess Bastion
It’s obviously Saint themed, and the firing mechanism even references Saint and Osiris’ relationship, as the gun only fires when their symbols cross each other’s
errant tapir
On the subject though I absolutely loved season of the deeps vibe. Going underwa...
GASP
was it fun?
u can explore underwater?
slim girder
I know Perfect Paradox exists before anyone mentions it
He does not no. He did make bastion for us however so that would be the closest to "his weapon"
slim girder
u can explore underwater?
No it was just sections. If you play the ghosts of the deep dungeon you can experience those underwater parts.
errant tapir
oooo thats what it is
slim girder
You should play it.
sick yew
He does not no. He did make bastion for us however so that would be the closest ...
He did? I thought Bastion itself didn't really have much lore attached to it
slim girder
He did? I thought Bastion itself didn't really have much lore attached to it
Yes. When we found our own grave he mentioned that bastion was one of our favourite weapons and a gift from him.
sick yew
That last part I was unfamiliar of
Thought it was just gun we liked in some timeline snippet the grave was from
ember storm
I did feel a little disappointed when Sloane wasn't cured. Especially due to dri...
He doesn’t really use them well
He summoned a captain to take care of a threatening Dredgen, which almost immediately tried killing him after
Majority of them are fake anyway
jagged badge
He summoned a captain to take care of a threatening Dredgen, which almost immedi...
Wasn’t that when he was summoning legitimate Taken he couldn’t control?
slim girder
He summoned a captain to take care of a threatening Dredgen, which almost immedi...
He does still have some knowledge on them though. I think that might be useful in a way like with the example you just mentioned. It's just a taken. If you know how to make them go somewhere that displays some level of control
Even if it's not the direct kind
ember storm
He does still have some knowledge on them though. I think that might be useful i...
The taken literally just go where power is
We see it in echoes and in the ToE
All drifter did was fling around one mote of dark and a captain appeared
He can’t control them
ember storm
Wasn’t that when he was summoning legitimate Taken he couldn’t control?
I don’t know, this would require me to rewatch season of the drifter cutscenes, which I don’t want to
slim girder
Yes i know I'm just saying that is still a form of control. Like I could say I can control a horse by holding a carrot up and have it follow me and lead it into a pen.
ember storm
A horse isn’t constantly trying to murder you at all times because it can sense the primordial power inside you is the exact opposite of what it is
That also doesn’t mean you have innate knowledge on how to save someone who was magically turned into a centaur
slim girder
Lets say drifter throws a mote of light at the guardian and says, "lead the taken right into the middle of that enemy base". That is the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Not direct but more a way of manipulating them for your own gain
ember storm
Yeah that still has nothing to do with Sloane and her condition
The literal extent of his knowledge is how to carrot on a stick them
slim girder
Right but getting back to that considering drifter was there i would have thought after him using taken for so long he would have studied them to an extent. Even if it's not a true taken.
cloud gust
Is the point of Savathûn’s Song so that Savathûn can passively influence those who have heard it?
empty fern
Is the point of Savathûn’s Song so that Savathûn can passively influence those w...
Probably yes
lethal bobcat
some days i load up destiny and just read the subclass lore tab
empty fern
Wait till you read the other lore
lost abyss
So, question
Who is speaking in Lumina's lore tab? I always assumed it was j a third-person narrator for Humanity as a whole.
slim girder
Who is speaking in Lumina's lore tab? I always assumed it was j a third-person n...
Seems to be a civilisation that was touched by the traveler. Could be humanity or someone else it's very vague. They call it a gardener so I wonder if it's the witnesses civilisation but that's just a guess
ember storm
Precursor is the safest bet imo
lost abyss
Precursors does apply nicely.
grand jungle
do guardian watch movies ?
trim grotto
If they want to, I suppose. Movies are still being made, if that's what you're asking.
grand jungle
was wondering like guardians are always killing n saving ppl but i wondred they sit down n watch movies
dim minnow
does The Last City even have movies?
trim grotto
Yes
dim minnow
according to our Ghost, the Last City doesn't even have arcades
trim grotto
does The Last City even have movies?
grand jungle
isnt it lore that old saint was a story tell to kids
trim grotto
Well, Saint was dead for a while. Decades.
I think, perhaps, you're thinking of the tale that Eliksni told their children about Saint. A boogeyman, a dark story. He was a reaper to them for a while.
dim minnow
Civilian voice line?
trim grotto
ye
dim minnow
of course Bungie would leave interesting stuff like this in voice lines most people don't even know exist
like the fact that Thumos deserved what he got 100%
1000%
hell he deserved worse
trim grotto
of course Bungie would leave interesting stuff like this in voice lines most peo...
it's also where i got the fun fact of "we pump paracausal energy through The Wall in pipes"
dim minnow
I wonder what happens if someone injects paracausal energy into their veins
or stuffs a donut with it
dim minnow
void-filled donut
grand jungle
love the thought of a guardian watching a movie with they ghost
covert stone
"So I've scanned ahead and-"
"No spoilers, Ghost"
grand jungle
think ghost can feel pats?
dim minnow
think ghost can feel pats?
probably
covert stone
I'd spin that mf like a basketball
grand jungle
it hurt n made me smile when we hugged out ghost in the ascenison mission
n made me wonder if ghost can feel the hug
slim girder
Ghost can probably feel these things. As well as emotions
In lightfall it said it felt sick near the veil
Or when sagira hijacked their shell it said it felt like it's brain was rearranged
slim girder
love that saint went to a boogyman
More than boogyman more like the grim reaper. Not a human and more like an undying beast that just cut through everything including innocent eliksni in rage.
I wouldn't be surprised if some small amount of eliksni still hold some kind of uneasiness towards Saint.
grand jungle
Some eliksni definitely stil have ptsd
slim girder
Some eliksni might have been related to the ones lost to saints rampage.
lost abyss
Is this currently in game? I have so many hours idle next to Tower NPCs and never heard this
lost abyss
I wouldn't be surprised if some small amount of eliksni still hold some kind of ...
Some that survived have probably lost close friends or family to him, that would be an interesting story thread to explore.
brittle dirge
Damn it that actually made me laugh for some reason
Why does bungie make more realistic dialogue for a one off line than real story dialogue
ember storm
Because they’re different people at different times writing different things
jade mantle
why is fikrul immortal?
trim grotto
Uldren Sov accidentally Wished to Riven the Taken Ahamkara to return Fikrul to life. This Wish, and Taken essence, corrupted his Ether and rendered him unable to permanently die.
This corrupted Ether was also the origin of the Scorn.
jade mantle
ahh
errant tapir
Uldren Sov accidentally Wished to Riven the Taken Ahamkara to return Fikrul to l...
Him being immortal + artifact makes him invincible?
I'm at the point where fikrul and skolas are together
And they merged?
dim minnow
Him being immortal + artifact makes him invincible?
the Echo isn't what makes him immortal
it's Ahamkara magic
dim minnow
And they merged?
they didn't merge
Fikrul merely brought Scorn-las back to life again after we killed him (for a second time)
and then they both dipped
errant tapir
ok thanks
errant tapir
what does the artifact do for fikrul?
trim grotto
Primarily there's the whole thing of turning living Eliksni directly into Scorn, which is... quite frankly horrifying.
trim grotto
Nnnno
errant tapir
idk i saw that cutscene from where
trim grotto
that is irrelevant
Beyond Light happened four years ago Varo
The Echo that Fikrul has only appeared after the Witness died
We did, however, do the intro to this Episode on Europa
trim grotto
Eramis, Kell of House Salvation.
trim grotto
And also crashes directly into the HELM, yes
errant tapir
trim grotto
errant tapir
how many species are there in d2?
i am absolutely baffled by the many species
and idk how to identify them
trim grotto
Uh, gee. Well...
There's the Human umbrella of Awoken, Exo, and Humans. Plus whatever may have happened to the Jovians.
There are the enemy races of gameplay, those being Cabal, Psions, Eliksni, Hive, Vex, Taken, Scorn. Scorn being undead Eliksni, of course.
There's Worm/Worm God, Proto Worm... and then we start getting into the niche stuff.
Precursors, Harmony... Clipse, Arkborn... Aphelion, Ahamkara... Qugu. Sindu. Uhh... Taishibethi, I think it is...
Lubraean
So on
trim grotto
Xûr was once of a colony amidst the Jovians.
sick yew
Uh, gee. Well...
There's the Human umbrella of Awoken, Exo, and Humans. Plus wh...
Would the Dread be considered their own race or just weird ass amalgamations
trim grotto
As much as the Taken are I suppose
ruby pivot
sounds likea a group that wants to convert me to their religion
sick yew
Also don't forget my boys the Tormentors
ruby pivot
Also don't forget my boys the Tormentors
arent they included in dreads faction?
sick yew
They're their own race afaik
trim grotto
sounds likea a group that wants to convert me to their religion
Jovians meaning amidst or past the Jovian planets - Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune.
trim grotto
arent they included in dreads faction?
They're functionally the same. Kind of like prototypes.
sick yew
What about Nezzy?
trim grotto
Nezzy was the stock from which Tormentors were made. He himself though is a mystery.
ruby pivot
probably made by the witness?
trim grotto
If anyone ever connects Nezarec with the species of Qugu, they're... well, I don't wan't to be rude.
ruby pivot
is there any lore about his origin?
trim grotto
Nezarec? Not an origin, no, but he's been around for a long time.
"Of Hated Nezarec" is a pre-Golden Age text.
ruby pivot
If anyone ever connects Nezarec with the species of Qugu, they're... well, I don...
what is it o.o?
trim grotto
what is it o.o?
An irrelevant species to Nezarec. People vastly overinterpreted a piece of concept art and wildly misunderstood the physiology of Qugu and made a false link.
sick yew
Wait wait what were those mentioned in the Minagerie again
The arkborn or something?
trim grotto
Yep yep
sick yew
Forgot they existed for a hot sec
ruby pivot
OOOOOOH no wonder i kept thinking i heard arkborns
riiight they were mentioned in menagerie
sick yew
Bla bla their queen was captured by Calus or something
trim grotto
Not quite, but on the right path.
Arkborn were sentient energy beings, and Calus threatened to claim them when he discovered them. The Fulminator agreed to join Calus as his Shadow in exchange for leaving her people alone.
sick yew
Close enough then
trim grotto
Emperor Calus, being the giant pile of dung that he is, considered the deal null and void when the Fulminator "died" in his service, and claimed them anyway.
sick yew
trim grotto
They were the wells of energy you collected in that one encounter
trim grotto
This is why people who asked "why is Calus evil now in Lightfall" didn't look hard enough
ember storm
You don’t need to look hard to know that emperor overthrown usually isn’t the best guy
empty fern
Every statue, including the deep stone and gos one, were dissenters right?
dim minnow
possibly
but every instance of a statue we seen before TFS was an instance where the Witness gave power or something
blazing wasp
My take on it is that the statues are able to "host" the witness, hence why they can also be used as prisoners for once-pieces of the witness
slim girder
Arkborn were sentient energy beings, and Calus threatened to claim them when he ...
Wasn't that suit calus made for the fulminator a prison in a way? I'd need to read again but I believe that that was the suits purpose
Along with making this arkborn able to assume a form
brittle dirge
I like when destiny gets dark like with iron tomb or savathun’s song
Missions where guardians suffered fates worse than death
slim girder
I like when destiny gets dark like with iron tomb or savathun’s song
I hope we get something like presage again. The creepy factor was cool.
brittle dirge
I hope we get something like presage again. The creepy factor was cool.
Yeah it was great
slim girder
I do wonder what actually killed katabasis though. Egregore doesn't look like something that can just lash out. His body was strung up by it.
trim grotto
He was surrounded by Scorn when he died.
brittle dirge
I do wonder what actually killed katabasis though. Egregore doesn't look like so...
I’m pretty sure the locus did
slim girder
Right.
brittle dirge
The locus of communion
I love it
slim girder
Still i find it strange how the egregore behaved. I know it spreads and merges minds but stringing something up like the way it did hasn't been seen before
I treat egregore like the megamycyte (mold) from the resident evil games. A fungus that can store minds it consumes
brittle dirge
I treat egregore like the megamycyte (mold) from the resident evil games. A fung...
I thought the plauga did that?
I’m not a re guy
slim girder
I thought the plauga did that?
Plauga is a different thing.
Mold is the new stuff in RE 7 and 8
brittle dirge
Plauga is a different thing.
Mold is the new stuff in RE 7 and 8
Ah
Plauga is 4, 5, 6
I didn’t really pay attention in 7 and 8 so I assumed it was the same
slim girder
Nah that was a bit of a reboot sort of. Different stories centred around ethan winters. The old characters are still around though.
Again though I think the mold and egregore are pretty similar.
errant tapir
Day 2 of asking another fun fact about the game
errant tapir
okay no seriously i have to know
this one?
trim grotto
yes
The Tower is to the left of the HELM you see up there
The Old Tower is the ruin on the right
errant tapir
HUH?
trim grotto
What?
slim girder
You didn't play D1 did you?
errant tapir
nope
slim girder
When did you start d2?
slim girder
So was I
trim grotto
okay but Varo did you never look over the edge of the Tower
trim grotto
what tower?
are you quite serious
errant tapir
yes ik that
jagged badge
Are our legs being pulled
errant tapir
yes
The Tower is to the left of the HELM you see up there
but that confuses me with this
we can see the tower from last city?
is the tower in last city?
trim grotto
we can see the tower from last city?
i am in game
jagged badge
You can see the City from the Tower
trim grotto
that is from 2 seconds ago
slim girder
is the tower in last city?
Yes. Go to the last city. Turn around and look up.
jagged badge
And you can see the Tower from the city
errant tapir
this tower?
trim grotto
errant tapir
i'm here mael
trim grotto
this tower?
Yes!
slim girder
Yes
trim grotto
this tower?
slim girder
That's the tower from destiny 1
errant tapir
oh.....
slim girder
In D2 our new tower is next to it
trim grotto
THERE IS A WALL? HUH
errant tapir
oh....
trim grotto
i am flabbergasted
errant tapir
In D2 our new tower is next to it
explain where
trim grotto
Okay so
slim girder
explain where
Go to the tower rn. Then turn to your left and look up. That big ruin is the destiny 1 tower ok?
So in destiny 2 the tower we are in now is next to that
jagged badge
this tower?
This is the D1 Tower
trim grotto
When the Red War happened, the Red Legion destroyed the D1 Tower. The other Towers of the Wall were damaged beforehand, and none of the true Towers remain.
In D2, we moved onto this lower section of the Wall and renamed it to The Tower as a form of familiarity. It is not actually a literal Tower.
jagged badge
oh.....
This shows the H.E.L.M, which is being repaired right next to the current Tower
trim grotto
This is me in the D2 Tower looking at the HELM and D1 Tower behind it
trim grotto
Yes. The HELM.
errant tapir
what does HELM stands for and do?
trim grotto
It is currently under repairs due to the crash you were in with Fikrul
Hub of Emergency Logistics and... M something.
trim grotto
Yes. You were in it when it crashed.
errant tapir
oooooo
slim girder
It's been our base for many seasons until now
Used to be parked in the D2 tower and then eventually it took flight. Now it's back after crashing.
errant tapir
oh...
i never looked down in the tower
or turn around from last city
when i go to tower usually i go straight to npc
slim girder
Look around more. You learn a ton from the environment
That's part of destiny's story
trim grotto
trim grotto
...no.
slim girder
@errant tapir go above shaxx. Walk on the flagpole
errant tapir
beautiful
question
can u guys recap the story of the making of us fighting the witness?
i played the TFS campaign
slim girder
That's a VERY long story
trim grotto
can u guys recap the story of the making of us fighting the witness?
That's... many DLC worth of story.
errant tapir
and it started with us abandoning our broken ship
slim girder
Oh you mean on the final shape campaign
errant tapir
yes
trim grotto
Respectfully Varo the buildup to the Witness has technically been ongoing since D1
slim girder
It's a 10 year saga
This is a massive story with countless threads and it's only now ended after defeating the witness.
slim girder
You've joined during the prologue of all of that pretty much.
trim grotto
Epilogue.
slim girder
Sry
Lol
Epilogue
We're tying up loose ends and then possibly getting ready to go outside of the Sol system now that we're in a position to do so
trim grotto
aww man
I can explain things, but maybe let's target something smaller than "basically all of destiny"
errant tapir
hmm i already know the most important ones
cayde's death
osiris possessed by savathun
what are the interesting ones?
like huge impacts
errant tapir
via a dragon?
slim girder
No
Riven is a dragon
In shadowkeep that was the first time we heard from the witness
That's when they reached out offering their "salvation"
I guess if you really want a story that you can play. If you go through shadowkeep to the final shape that'll give you a good chunk of story.
Bungie even said that was where that part of the story was supposed to start.
Shadowkeep
Beyond light
Witch queen
Lightfall
The final shape.
In that order
trim grotto
Moon.
slim girder
Shouldn't be too long if it's just the campaigns.
slim elk
Admittedly due to the way seasons happened your still going to miss huge context
Like why we offed Savathun only to revive her later
slim girder
Like why we offed Savathun only to revive her later
Speaking of this @errant tapir in the director screen on the top right is a timeline icon. You can use that to see information on all the past seasons and what they were about
Obviously won't give you everything but it's there for you to at least have some idea of how we got to certain places in the story
errant tapir
yeah
i noticed that
when the game GIVEE ME DIRECTION TO CAYDE'S FATE
AND IT BUGGED
slim girder
Yeah that's a known issue. I don't know if it's fixed
jagged badge
AND IT BUGGED
Not anymore iirc
slim girder
But again. Shadowkeep is a good place to start
jagged badge
I could be wrong
errant tapir
Not anymore iirc
Thanks eris yes they fixed it
errant tapir
hello
can u guys tell me how old is each campaign starting from shadowkeep until tfs?
jagged badge
can u guys tell me how old is each campaign starting from shadowkeep until tfs?
Shadowkeep - October 2019
Beyond Light - November 2020
Witch Queen - February 2022
Lightfall - February 2023
Final Shape - June 2024
fallow loom
If saint-14 said is the corridors of time that ergo sum(the weapon on the guardian’s grave) was his own but he never took it the one thing that didn’t happen in this timeline till now is giving him ergo sum. If it happens we will be sure that the timeline of our death will 99.9% will happen. But he said a thing that is very important. He said that the traveler is gone. I don’t think someone or something took it or destroyed it. I think it abandoned us as he abandoned the fallen. Because he got what he wants someone destroy the witness and I think the new saga will be against the light itself.
The mission of corridors of time gave us many theories but now I think these are the most possible.
Oh god I wrote all that?
But also he said that if you are there(calling the guardian) take the weapon and come to kill what killed you or die trying.
ember storm
If saint-14 said is the corridors of time that ergo sum(the weapon on the guardi...
Because it’s not ergo sum
That’s just an ornamental design on the tomb based on the taken king swords
The actual weapon set at our grave is Bastion
And the weapon we give Saint in the past is his shotgun, Perfect Paradox
fallow loom
Because it’s not ergo sum
Oh then I wasted my time writing 😂
fallow loom
The actual weapon set at our grave is Bastion
I thought it was ergo sum it really looks like it.
ember storm
Obviously bungie designed it after it but it’s not the actual thing
The weapon spoken about in the eulogy Saint gives is Bastion
empty fern
Crota appreciation day, give a small fact about crota (besides being the one to introduce the vex to us)
dim minnow
Crota appreciation day, give a small fact about crota (besides being the one to ...
The reason why he had to go to sleep some time prior to The Dark Below was because a Knight of Oryx and a Knight of Xivu Arath killed themselves because they couldn't convince the other that their god was better
dim minnow
How obscure is that
I think it was from the Shadowkeep Collector's Edition ARG
and to elaborate more
empty fern
dim minnow
The reason why he had to go to sleep some time prior to The Dark Below was becau...
the reason why this caused that was because the Knight of Oryx dying caused a small tribute loss that was just enough to cause a Knight of Crota to lose a very crucial duel
because of that, Crota suffered a major tribute loss and had to go into hibernation to keep his worm from consuming him
empty fern
Lmao
ember storm
Crota appreciation day, give a small fact about crota (besides being the one to ...
He’s technically naked in CE considering he has no physical form meaning no chitin meaning no armor at all
jagged badge
Mara Sov pretty much single-handedly destroyed a Pyramid ship once
dull raft
died in the process but still very cool from mara
dim minnow
Day 3 of asking fun fact about the game
The Awoken's creation can be attributed to a man being killed by a rabbit embryo
dim minnow
https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830
did you know that male Cabal are the ones who nurse their young?
errant tapir
I do not
dim minnow
which means Calus has breastfed before
dim minnow
Leviathan, which was vaulted
slim girder
Day 3 of asking fun fact about the game
Shaxx once oversaw a kids dodgeball match because he lost a bet to cayde. (Cayde was cheating though)
heady monolith
Shaxx once oversaw a kids dodgeball match because he lost a bet to cayde. (Cayde...
they were just very lucky pants!
tough badge
Was Cayde in love with Maya Sundaresh?
trim grotto
At some point he felt something for her, yes. After he became an Exo, there was a time he bodyguarded for her.
tough badge
At some point he felt something for her, yes. After he became an Exo, there was ...
But he had a wife and kid before all of this right?
trim grotto
Yes, when he was human.
tough badge
Yes, when he was human.
K gotcha ty
fervent sandal
Does shaw han have any lore to speak of?
trim grotto
Does shaw han have any lore to speak of?
Bought his YAS from a market stall. Used his Golden Gun to make a fireteam of Frames get Radiant before Solar 3.0 was a thing. Teaches New Lights canonically, not just in game.
Mostly just a reliable Vanguard scout operating in the Cosmodrome.
jagged badge
Well of Gun!!!
trim grotto
gell of wun
fervent sandal
Have we seen anything from shiro since rise of iron?
jagged badge
We’ve had mentions of him in lore, though I don’t know about the chronology of them
fervent sandal
Alr
empty fern
He’s technically naked in CE considering he has no physical form meaning no chit...
Well then 
ember storm
I’ve already mentioned before how D2 Crota is a fucking poser 
ember storm
They literally just used the Thalnok model
dim minnow
They literally just used the Thalnok model
To be fair, Thalnok is what Crota is supposed to look like normally.
ember storm
WHICH SHOULDN’T BE WHAT ITS LIKE IN CE
The excuse is that they did that for the Nightmare of Crota when he WAS representing the prime state
Which was then reused for Dares which is also excusable
empty fern
Is the dares version the normal one?
empty fern
Pain
So like
In the awoken war against oryx (or was it just one fight) why did oryx win?
(Yes I’m using questions as an excuse to send d1 pics again)
ember storm
In the awoken war against oryx (or was it just one fight) why did oryx win?
he killed everyone
lost abyss
In the awoken war against oryx (or was it just one fight) why did oryx win?
iirc the Taken War began with the most of the Awoken's fleet being lost to the Dreadnaught's super weapon
ember storm
seems pretty simple to me
when i say everyone i mean everyone
every other active ship in oryx's own fleet was also destroyed
lost abyss
I think they still haven't recovered from that loss
lost abyss
their cruiser crashed there
Sucks when your King sends you to the local flotsam junkyard because he wanted to flex
ember storm
logic of the sword 
lost abyss
Aiat
empty fern
Savathun throwing jabs at mara during final shape, bomb logic vs sword logic
brittle dirge
wtf happened to The Emissary talking to Driftie
The nine fucked off
empty fern
Off
lost abyss
You reckon they'll ever pick up that narrative again. I don't think the Nine have been relevant since Arrivals.
slim girder
(Yes I’m using questions as an excuse to send d1 pics again)
He used his super for the biggest play of the game.
slim girder
where they go
They said "We'll just watch how this all goes" that's kinda what they've always done.
empty fern
You reckon they'll ever pick up that narrative again. I don't think the Nine hav...
We’ve dealt with the big big bad, so it’d be nice to see them again, maybe after heresy
shell tangle
zavala live in a country house and have wife and kids
is that before or after he became guardian
dim minnow
is that before or after he became guardian
after
and it happened centuries prior
during the Dark Age
shell tangle
why is he in a country house
dim minnow
why is he in a country house
that was where he and Safiyah decided to live
at least until Hakim died
shell tangle
wait, does the traveler exist in human lives during the golden age
dim minnow
what?
shell tangle
rephrases that
dim minnow
what do you mean by "exist in human lives"?
dim minnow
the Golden Age began when the Ares One crew confronted the Traveler on Mars
and the Traveler was already in Sol for a little while
like a year or two maybe
trim grotto
wait, does the traveler exist in human lives during the golden age
The Traveler is what began the Golden Age.
trim grotto
The Witness and the Black Fleet attacked, destroying our Golden Age, harming the Traveler, causing the Collapse and sending us into a Dark Age. The Traveler repelled the Black Fleet and created the Ghosts, but that in turn rendered it comatose.
errant tapir
Day 4 of asking fun facts
trim grotto
Xûr's hunchback was caused by Orin, a Lightbearer later known as the Emissary of the Nine, hitting him so hard with a warhammer that he flew into a boulder and broke his spine.
trim grotto
His mind is not his own. He is the Agent of the Nine.
errant tapir
What's agent of nine?
trim grotto
Of the Nine. Xûr is one of their two representatives, the other being the Emissary.
The Nine are... do you want the long answer in the form of a story, or the short answer?
trim grotto
Story time
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-dust
The Nine, what they are, and where they come from, is all explained within this lore book, that follows the story of Lavinia, a young Cryptarch, in a tale of obsession and research. Specifically the entry The Nine, but the whole book is an excellent read.
trim grotto
Well, there's a whole section in your Collections menu for lore books. Also, this website, the Ishtar Collective, has 95% of all written lore in Destiny, extracted from the API.
Also I have read 95% of lore myself, so there's also that
trim grotto
i like-a da lore
errant tapir
because it speaks in riddles
trim grotto
Xûr tends to do that. If you're referring to The Red Box, that's a whole different story. Much shorter. More amusing.
I blame the Ahamkara.
trim grotto
As in, the entry The Nine, within the lore book Dust?
trim grotto
Well, it would make more sense with the rest of the book being read.
That said, it isn't actually a riddle. It is, however, unexpected.
The Nine, you see, are not people, not aliens, in the classic sense.
The Nine are... like Boltzmann Brains. Loops of Dark Matter dust, caught in the gravitational loops and clutches of the Solar System and its celestial bodies. These loops, through the life that arose on our worlds, began to think. These loops became The Nine.
They had no eyes to catch light. They had no ears to hear. And yet they turned their wills upon the alien world of Matter, and strove to learn, for they knew they had to protect their hearts, or die.
With a horror of revelation so absolute that it would drive her mad if she still had sanity to lose, Lavinia understands where the Nine have always been. They are within everyone, every system, every living and moving thing. Trillions and pentillions of slim dark matter tentacles plunged through all our bodies, drinking up the complexity of our lives and thoughts.
We are all pinched silhouettes impaled on the twitchings of infinitely long spiderlegs.```Do we have any lore entries or even art of what ahamkara looked like? Yes they are shapeshifters but I've noticed they definitely had a "preferred" look it seems. I'd like to see the kind of creature that these bones come from
There's also the skull above shaxx, in warlords ruin and on some of our armour
fiery rover
i always imagined the default look was how riven appeared
slim elk
Do we have any lore entries or even art of what ahamkara looked like? Yes they a...
Go take a look at Riven, probably should give an idea
Season of the Wish cutscenes, the raid.. etc
slim girder
i always imagined the default look was how riven appeared
Riven is the true form of an ahamkara. She said so herself.
slim girder
Season of the Wish cutscenes, the raid.. etc
I know but that still makes me wonder what forms they took on that would make their bones look more like something from a dinosaur almost.
To my knowledge aside from riven and the season of the wish stuff we don't actually have any images of other ahamkara
fiery rover
taranis i think was identical
slim girder
Just bones from events like the great hunt.
fiery rover
speculation on my part tho
slim girder
taranis i think was identical
He was but his side tentacles were different to rivens. That was the noticeable difference.
Rivens were more extended, his were tucked away more
fiery rover
so then you know what they look like lol. and from shapeshifting they can have countless forms. pretty open ended question when they can be whatever
or however
slim girder
I know but considering how many of the same skulls there were on things like armour and as I mentioned the great hunt and warlords ruin it definitely looks like they still had similar looks and it wasn't like they were fighting people in the form of people if that makes sense
They were still animals
Fighting like creatures
Because riven or taranis definitely didn't have tusks
errant tapir
What does the agent of the Nine do?
What is their mission?
How did Xur manage to upset the emperor to bonk him?
errant tapir
so then you know what they look like lol. and from shapeshifting they can have c...
Shapeshift? Into human? Huh
fiery rover
they can change there shape. lol.
jagged badge
What is their mission?
To survive, and maybe to gain independence from life which their survival is tied to
jagged badge
How did Xur manage to upset the emperor to bonk him?
Hm?
blazing wasp
Hm?
think they're mixing up "the emperor" and "the emissary" who i believe broke his back?
ember storm
Yeah she was just an ordinary sunbreaker with very [adjective] hair
slim girder
Shapeshift? Into human? Huh
Ahamkara can change shape into whatever they want to prey on the wishes of others. That's how they survive and why all but one were hunted to extinction in what was called the great hunt.
But guardians do still wear their bones and even though they are dead their bones are still capable of granting wishes.
errant tapir
Basically bad dragons?
Dragons twist wishes = bad dragon?
So... We kill riven in last wish?
slim girder
Yes
errant tapir
slim girder
She was the last known ahamkara
slim girder
At least until season of the wish where we found out that she had a clutch of eggs hidden away.
slim girder
Why did we end up doing the last wish raid?
Because she had been taken
errant tapir
Did people get sick ?
errant tapir
Because she had been taken
Oryx?
slim girder
Yes
errant tapir
Wait wait
blazing wasp
wish dragons in general were pretty dangerous to others
errant tapir
Taken as in verb
Or taken enemies? Black ones
blazing wasp
the latter
errant tapir
blazing wasp
oryx took her, but riven made a wish with oryx to make it happen
without oryx's full knowledge, of course
blazing wasp
upon oryx' death, riven retained all her "taken power", and also became completely lucid again
regaining controll of herself
slim girder
huh?
Ahamkara live of twisting wishes. After oryxs death she was still taken but had her free will back
jagged badge
Riven’s a scheming bitch
errant tapir
Oh.... So kf first then last wish ya?
slim girder
Yes
errant tapir
upon oryx' death, riven retained all her "taken power", and also became complete...
So she became more dangerous?
blazing wasp
So she became more dangerous?
ye
errant tapir
We intend to kill riven because she got her powers back?
slim girder
The dreaming city was taken in it's entirety because savathun made a wish to riven.
blazing wasp
the way wish dragons feed is through twisting wishes in a way
slim girder
We intend to kill riven because she got her powers back?
No because as a taken she is a danger
errant tapir
She gets her power back because she wishes for oryx to kindnap her?
blazing wasp
the more different it is from intent, the more they feed
slim girder
No
blazing wasp
She gets her power back because she wishes for oryx to kindnap her?
no, the wish was basically "you'll take me, but when you die, i retain all of the pros of being taken, with none of the ocns"
blazing wasp
Run it from the back please
ok
so
oryx, during the taken war, wanted to take riven
errant tapir
Give me synopsis of beginning on how do we end up killing riven
blazing wasp
he went into the dreaming city
and basically went "yo can a homie take you?"
"you can take anything you wish"
slim girder
@errant tapir I'll give a summary
Oryx takes riven so now he has power over her.
Oryx dies but because of rivens wish she keeps the power of a taken but now has her free will back.
Savathun then comes along and makes another wish to riven which caused the dreaming city to be cursed when we killed riven.
errant tapir
oryx, during the taken war, wanted to take riven
Why did he suddenly wanted to take riven? Reason?
blazing wasp
oryx then took her, but riven twisted his wish of taking her, where upon oryx' death riven would retain all the pros and such of being taken, but none of the cons (like being effectively braindead under someones controll)
blazing wasp
Why did he suddenly wanted to take riven? Reason?
riven is a wish dragon
they're really fucking powerful
slim girder
Power
errant tapir
Oh .....
slim girder
An ahamkara under complete control is Extremely dangerous
blazing wasp
a taken wish dragon is a formidable weapon
errant tapir
So he basically want a pet?
blazing wasp
i take it you are unfamiliar with oryx if this is a surprise to you
slim girder
Riven is arguably the strongest enemy we've ever faced. Second to the witness and hive gods pretty much
errant tapir
Ik ik the lore
blazing wasp
Isn't oryx powerful enough as being the big 3 of hive?
you dont become powerful by one day going "aight thats enough power i think."
errant tapir
Savathun oryx and Xivu brothers and sisters
slim girder
All sisters
errant tapir
One day they venture out in the ocean and meet worm god
slim girder
Originally
blazing wasp
oryx was female and became male
errant tapir
HUH?
blazing wasp
yes
slim girder
Yes
errant tapir
Xivu?
blazing wasp
oryx was female, became male
slim girder
Aurash was oryxs first name
errant tapir
oryx was female, became male
Wish?
slim girder
Worms
blazing wasp
Wish?
the hive did not face wish dragons 'til they've long become hive.
oryx became male when the krill (proto-hive) became the hive iirc?
slim girder
Before the hive became the hive they were called the krill
The worms power turned them into what they are now
slim girder
Or "the deep" as they call it
blazing wasp
read up on the lore books called "the books of sorrow"
they give a rather extensive explenation of the hives origin
jagged badge
Aurash took the King Morph and became Auryx
Auryx would become Oryx when he learned how to Take
blazing wasp
i keep forgetting the names
yea
i like how oryx' names became less tongue twisters with each change
blazing wasp
wanted to take on the king morph
worth noting that the hives social structure of genders (and in general actually.), and entire biology, is not exactly the same as humans.
slim girder
Like a vex simulation as described by Osiris
slim girder
That's the curse riven unleashed
blazing wasp
Explain
upon killing riven, a wish was concluded, which plunged the dreaming city into a "curse"
a 3 week cycle, where the curse grows stronger and stronger, anyone who partakes in the curse will become trapped in it
lets say week 2 before the loop had reset, you died in battle
when the third week is over, everything resets, you'll come back at the start of the week and die again at the second week.
slim girder
There's an awoken corsair who always gets hurt in the first week
blazing wasp
Always in the second week?
are you familiar with the concepts of time loops
errant tapir
HOW DID WE SURVIVE OR GET OUT?
slim girder
It's still going
blazing wasp
HOW DID WE SURVIVE OR GET OUT?
we're kinda immortal...
errant tapir
are you familiar with the concepts of time loops
I don't know
slim girder
The curse hasn't been lifted
blazing wasp
I don't know
have you watched groundhog day
errant tapir
noo
slim girder
^^^
errant tapir
I watched endgame tho
blazing wasp
ok first of all great movie
blazing wasp
I watched endgame tho
not a single marvel movie has ever done a time loop
errant tapir
Sorry that's time travel
blazing wasp
yes
errant tapir
sick yew
Back to the Future? Seen that one?
errant tapir
I'm not old enough
sick yew
Fym not old enough
slim girder
Bruh
errant tapir
I was a little kid when it was launched
sick yew
One of, if not the greatest trilogy of all time
slim girder
I was a little kid when it was launched
So was I and I've seen it
sick yew
I was a little kid when it was launched
Heres the funny thing about movies, you can watch them even years after they were released
blazing wasp
Back to the Future? Seen that one?
its barely a time loop you can compare
i will argue groundhog day is a better analogy
sick yew
What about uuuh Men in Black 3
blazing wasp
but its three weeks instead of one day
errant tapir
Aha
sick yew
What about uuuh Men in Black 3
That one sorta has a time loop
sick yew
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
sick yew
errant tapir
ember storm
It’s just Groundhog Day
We’re outside of the loop
Everyone else is stuck on the same path
They all do the exact same thing they would do normally and end up the same way
sick yew
Actually what happens if we pick one of the Corsairs up and just move them out of the Dreaming City
ember storm
The previously mentioned Corsair
She keeps going into battle literally knowing that she’s going to die
She can’t change it
ember storm
Actually what happens if we pick one of the Corsairs up and just move them out o...
Pretty sure they said they just can’t
That’s the curse
sick yew
That’s the curse
And if we were to try and change it would the curse just bend its way to still have the resulting events stay the same?
errant tapir
So if you die in all of the weeks, you will die again?
Does it come off if we leave dreaming city?
Coz we travel a lot
sick yew
Basically when the curse activated everyone in the Dreaming City got stuck in the loop
errant tapir
Oh ....
sick yew
We (the Guardian) werent in the Dreaming City when the loop began
errant tapir
Yeah
sick yew
So we arent forced to go through the same motions every week
errant tapir
We are in the last wish raid
sick yew
We can come and go and do whatever we want as we please
errant tapir
Gotcha
sick yew
Plus we are Guardians aka paracausal so theres a possibility that even if we were caught in the curse we could make our way out of it
Cause bla bla paracausality bla bla guardians make their own fate
sick yew
Basically
sick yew
I wouldnt call it plot armor as it is literally explained that our powers define the laws of the universe on a fundamental level
And we arent immortal either, simply undying
fresh zephyr
so in the final shape 2nd last mission, the plan was to go to the witness' birth place to unmake it right right
how is the place existing inside the traveler, when that place is supposed to be off in some other planet or something
sick yew
Most likely they simply took their birthplace and converted it into a pyramid ship
If you recall the ending cutscene of Lightfall the Witness enters the Traveler alongside 5 or so of their Pyramid ships
blazing wasp
Why did savathun make a wish to curse dreaming city?
if it worked the way savathun hoped it would, the curse would effectively provide a non-stop supply of tribute
how familiar are you with the sword logic
jagged badge
if it worked the way savathun hoped it would, the curse would effectively provid...
In fairness, that’s exactly how it worked
sick yew
If you recall the ending cutscene of Lightfall the Witness enters the Traveler a...
These were then converted into (among other things) the spire in which Salvations Edge happens (possibly the Witness even combined it with themselves sorta fused with the ships)
blazing wasp
In fairness, that’s exactly how it worked
i thought she didn't gain continuous tribute from it
blazing wasp
Sword logic?
the basis for just about all of the hives power.
jagged badge
i thought she *didn't* gain continuous tribute from it
Her worm’s hunger outgrew even the constant tribute from that scheme
sick yew
These were then converted into (among other things) the spire in which Salvation...
And well the place in which we fight the Witness in the campaign is another one of those pyramid ships that housed their birthplace
jagged badge
Tribute is like a source for her power?
Tribute is the how all Hive get power. They kill and conquest and feed their worm in exchange for paracausal strength
With Savathûn, she can even feed her worm with cunning and deception
As Awoken died constantly on a loop and we raced around trying to figure out how to fix the curse, Savathûn gained tribute
blazing wasp
"sword logic" is a logic where you prove that you belong in the universe, if you die, you dont belong
so by proving that you belong to exist more than something else (typically via killing) you gain power
errant tapir
HUH
blazing wasp
think of it like a bonfire
the bigger the fire gets, the stronger you get
but the bigger the fire is, the more fuel you have to give it to sustian it.
blazing wasp
fuel, in this analogy, is enacting the sword logic, usually killing something, theres some exceptions
like savathun and deciet
errant tapir
For the dreaming city curse
blazing wasp
or xivu and war
errant tapir
Savathun gets her powers by deception?
sick yew
Her worm’s hunger outgrew even the constant tribute from that scheme
Mf when even infinite suffering gets outscaled
sick yew
Savathun gets her powers by deception?
Among other things yes
blazing wasp
Savathun gets her powers by deception?
by sword logic, deception was one of the ways to enact it
jagged badge
Savathun gets her powers by deception?
Yeah. She’s the Hive God of Cunning and Lies (and such) so
blazing wasp
well, that was while she had he worm
she no longer has her worm and doesnt need the sword logic anymore.
errant tapir
Hold up hold up
sick yew
she no longer has her worm and doesnt need the sword logic anymore.
We have her worm now
In a gun :)
errant tapir
Lemme get this straight
jagged badge
Yeah, she came to Mara Sov and struck a deal to have her worm exorcised
blazing wasp
then mara sov later on shoved the worm into a gun
sick yew
This is where he worm is now
blazing wasp
we use this worm to kill atraks in DSC quite often (this is not a lore thing)
ember storm
Let me be clear 🪟
sick yew
we use this worm to kill atraks in DSC quite often (this is not a lore thing)
It couldnt even be a lore thing considering DSC happened pre WQ
blazing wasp
It couldnt even be a lore thing considering DSC happened pre WQ
yes
ember storm
Sword logic is something all hive subscribe to
blazing wasp
i just want to add that in case varo thinks my joke is genuine lore
sick yew
Except Lucent Hive
ember storm
It is their religion, their culture, their very way of life
All hive are given worms at birth
blazing wasp
Except Lucent Hive
the lucent hive subscribe to it quite often but not out of a requirement
ember storm
Except Lucent Hive
Somewhat indirectly, they still have to keep their worms fed
blazing wasp
more like malice.
errant tapir
Savathun wish for dreaming city to be cursed
Curse activated when we kill riven
So savathun gets her tribute by the curse
But what aspect does savathun get the most? Is it by deceiving all the people in dreaming city because of the curse? Or by killing people with the curse?
ember storm
They just feed them with light from the wellspring
ember storm
Savathun wish for dreaming city to be cursed
Curse activated when we kill riven...
Just the curse duping us is what gives her the power
None of the hive in the DC are part of her coven
They’re not giving her any tribute from any killings they’d theoretically get
errant tapir
i just want to add that in case varo thinks my joke is genuine lore
I .....
Huh?
I believe there is a worm gun
fresh zephyr
These were then converted into (among other things) the spire in which Salvation...
thanks, damn that's really cool i never got to know this
ember storm
Her worm is special in that it feeds primarily on “an existential economy based on the accumulation of secrets and the tribute of failing-to-understand-me”
This is how Savathûn describes the process in her own words
She calls it Imbaru
blazing wasp
I .....
Huh?
I believe there is a worm gun
i was making a joke at how we use savathuns worm to kill atraks in the deep stone crypt, despire teh deep stone crypt raid taking place before the witch queen.
errant tapir
ember storm
It’s a meta joke about how the playerbase uses the gun
sick yew
thanks, damn that's really cool i never got to know this
The part of the Witness fusing with the ship that is the Spire in which Salvations Edge happens is mostly speculation thats based on concept art but yeah it do be pretty cool
ember storm
It doesn’t mean anything
ember storm
The DC curse generated imbaru for savathun because it was literally a 24/7 generator of failure to understand
We had and still have literally no way to circumvent the curse
errant tapir
Just the curse duping us is what gives her the power
Ok...I think I got it
blazing wasp
Takes time to process
the lore of d2 is vast
slim girder
Savathun wish for dreaming city to be cursed
Curse activated when we kill riven...
Savathun created something called imbaru. This is her way if gaining power through trickery.
Every misstep you make, every false thing you think is correct, everything you don't know only gives to her as tribute.
ember storm
Her worm’s appetite grew in tandem with this constant tribute
sick yew
@fresh zephyrtheres this particular piece and there were also some others that have the Witness literally be the structure itself
ember storm
To the point where her worm’s hunger was virtually insatiable
errant tapir
Savathun created something called imbaru. This is her way if gaining power throu...
Oh.....
blazing wasp
<@456226577798135808>theres this particular piece and there were also some other...
"i turned myself into a building rhulk, im building witness!"
ember storm
Savathun had no choice but to exorcise her worm and then go towards the light
ember storm
Savathun created something called imbaru. This is her way if gaining power throu...
I already quoted that tab 
errant tapir
Savathun had no choice but to exorcise her worm and then go towards the light
Because worm eating her alive?
ember storm
Because worm eating her alive?
That’s the end result
If a hive’s worm is starving, it will resort to eating its host
ember storm
That’s why they’re parasites
blazing wasp
<:Bootleg_shitface:686298797860847694>
i apologise
sick yew
You better
blazing wasp
Because worm eating her alive?
fun addition, oryx' worm during the kingsfall raid was kinda in the process of eating him (or am i mistaken)
errant tapir
Savathun created something called imbaru. This is her way if gaining power throu...
So that means people in dreaming city experiences deja Vu
They thought they know what makes them deja Vu and it is wrong
So it gives imbaru to savathun?
blazing wasp
fun addition, oryx' worm during the kingsfall raid was kinda in the process of e...
at the very least, the oryx we fight is severely weakened
ember storm
They remember everything
slim girder
So that means people in dreaming city experiences deja Vu
They thought they kno...
No they remember it all
ember storm
Every single waking moment they’re fully conscious of themselves and the curse
errant tapir
HUH
jagged badge
They’re physically locked into their actions
errant tapir
ember storm
They are doomed to repeat it every single time
jagged badge
The actions taken in the first three weeks
sick yew
They’re physically locked into their actions
But what if an element like us who isnt part of the cycle gets involved
jagged badge
There’s one Awoken who keeps dying in a cave constantly right before help can arrive iirc
ember storm
It’s literally every single individual caught inside the curse and everyone else who wants to stop the curse
slim girder
@errant tapir it's been said many times that this weighs on them and they are extremely tired of it. Mara feels their pain of having to repeat it over and over
blazing wasp
at the very least, the oryx we fight is *severely* weakened
we still had to use oryx' own shit against him to win
errant tapir
<@830626746566443049> it's been said many times that this weighs on them and the...
Is mara cursed too?
ember storm
But what if an element like us who isnt part of the cycle gets involved
We literally can’t change anything
slim girder
Is mara cursed too?
She's connected to all awoken
sick yew
How is this expressed is my question
ember storm
If we don’t do the routine missions then the awoken just suffer more for no reason
sick yew
Will the curse bends its way to end up with the same result?
errant tapir
So... Mara is like the queen of awoken?
sick yew
Yes
blazing wasp
its unknown if the shattered throne needs to be repeated by us every three weeks i believe
but we still do it just in case.
ember storm
So... Mara is like the queen of awoken?
She is literally the awoken queen
slim girder
She IS the queen
ember storm
its unknown if the shattered throne needs to be repeated by us every three weeks...
It does
blazing wasp
huh
errant tapir
ember storm
If it doesn’t then the curse “stops” but Dul Incaru gets away with literally all of their secrets and delivers it to savathun
blazing wasp
i dont believe they were aggressive
ember storm
That’s the stake of ST
blazing wasp
If it doesn’t then the curse “stops” but Dul Incaru gets away with literally all...
ah
yea and that'd be pretty bad
ember storm
Also something something they’d probably raid the distributary and kill everyone
errant tapir
its unknown if the shattered throne needs to be repeated by us every three weeks...
Huh? Wdym?
slim girder
@errant tapir Her full title is Queen Mara Sov.
errant tapir
OH YEAH
ember storm
Personally I don’t think the loop would actually end
blazing wasp
what would dul incaru do then?
ember storm
if we kill savathun, kill-kill
Nah
Nothing would happen
She’d probably just give it to Xivu then
Which is even worse
ember storm
I don’t think letting Dul out would even properly end the curse
It’s probably still loop but she’d still have everything she stole prior
With enough time to deliver it to whoever wants it
slim girder
I don’t think letting Dul out would even properly end the curse
I don't think savathun even cares about dul because this loop keeps her from dying
errant tapir
What if we make all the people in dreaming city into guardians
So they can break free
slim girder
And yes the shattered throne is part of the weekly curse. I believe this has been said before
That's just the end to the loop.
After that it's back to the beginning
slim girder
Do the weekly missions, kill dul incaru, rinse and repeat
errant tapir
We should've asked savathun how to break the curse no?
ember storm
We did
slim girder
Tried
errant tapir
What did she say?
ember storm
She dangled it in front of Mara’s face like keys to a toddler
errant tapir
She doesn't even know how to?
ember storm
She just egged her on as leverage
“If you kill me you’ll never be able to”
This was during season of the wish
slim girder
The dreaming city is her hostage
ember storm
When savathun let herself get captured and held Osiris hostage in exchange for getting us to exorcise her worm
errant tapir
FAKKKK
ember storm
The DC curse was additional leverage in her favor
All we really gained from it is the claim that you could end the curse if you controlled the taken
slim girder
If we killed savathun we'd basically condemn the awoken
errant tapir
well we killed her before right?
ember storm
No
errant tapir
We stole her corpse?
ember storm
She killed herself in order to be rezzed by a ghost
errant tapir
Huh