📚lore-discussion

[dim minnow]

Uldren was not really a bad person per say either

it wasn;t really until his Black Garden expedition that he really started to go downhill

then the Battle of Saturn

as for Mara

as I said, she is a very "wrong thing for the right reasons" sort of person

in the Distributary (Awoken home world), she caused a lot of conflict which resulted in death and political turmoil

which she did so she can convice a large portion of the Awoken population to leave the Distributary with her so they can help humanity

later on, she would attack the Houe of Wolves by completely destroying their base on 3-Ceres (by completely destroying the asteroid itself)

this resulted in the Reef Wars which was a very bloody conflict for both sides

which she did to prevent the House of Wolves from joining the other Fallen Houses who staged an attack on the Last City

[bright quarry]

Curious about some technicalities of the Distributary, not sure if there's a solid answer to any of them.

Is the distributary an infinite plane like a minecraft world where it just goes on infinitely in any direction, or is it like a spherical planet and subsequently a universe like ours with galaxies and stuff?

Also, the distributary "portal" is one-way as far as we know correct? People can leave from it, but they can't go in? And Savathūn was kinda trying to find a way to get in there at one point for something regarding increasing her strength?

The portal is also at an unknown location and essentially microscopic, yes? Thought I read that somewhere.

[dim minnow]

I think the way to the distributary is seen in the Dreaming City skybox

not the metal ring thing

[trim grotto]

it is an infinitesimal microscopic spot anywhere in the solar system

it cannot be seen

[dim minnow]

oh really?

[trim grotto]

yes

[dim minnow]

huh

[trim grotto]

It's a universe. Presumably as infinite as ours may or may not be.

Yes, and supposedly, but in practice she was creating the time loop as an infinite torus loop of tribute.

Yes.

[errant tapir]

hmmm

can u guys tell me the story of dreaming city?

how did that become a thing?

also i went there once

it was just covered up in purple fog

[trim grotto]

yes
but i shall make tea first

[dim minnow]

So at some point, Mara told Uldren to find her something neat

[dim minnow]

Australians are just brits in denial after all

[trim grotto]

i literally lived in england

[errant tapir]

cup a tea fancy, innit?XD

[dim minnow]

so Uldren came back with a baby Ahamkara named Riven

[dim minnow]

exactly

[dim minnow]

since then, Mara would establish a bond with Riven (of course this bond would turn into a more toxic one since almost all Ahamkara are rat bastards)

so, at some point, Mara used Riven's power and techeun magic to take the asteroid known as 4-Vesta and turn it into a giant disc which was where the city was built upon

it was a beautiful city, but not a safe one

an Ahamkara must have its feast after all

the Awoken would live alongside the Ahamkara there for a time despite the clear negatives brought on by it

then, the Last City decided it would be best to hunt down and wipe out the Ahamkara

Mara would decide to aid them, but also make sure that Riven is the last one left

so Mara imprisoned Riven within the Dreaming City where she would remain, even when Oryx and his Taken found their way in in the aftermath of the battle of Saturn

hence why the city is infested with Taken

it wasn't until the end of the Forsaken campaign when Riven managed to manipulate a corrupted Uldren into opening the way to the Dreaming City which leads to us discovering the once-secret place

then, Petra, with Mara's guidance, sent a fireteam of Guardians into the Keep of Voices to kill Riven, who had been Taken at this point

however, this would allow Riven to put the Dreaming City under a Taken curse and a time loop

where it still remains to this day

[tough badge]

what is ether? y r fallen getting their skin peeled off when they dont have ether?

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/fshFeLsZdsc?si=2ceCf761qjjsv5kP

[tough badge]

bro its literally drugs

[trim grotto]

it unbelievably is not

how was that your takeaway

[tough badge]

they hoard it

they NEED it

[trim grotto]

It's analogous to water

[tough badge]

they DIE without it

[trim grotto]

We die without water!

[tough badge]

i drink water i dont snort it

[trim grotto]

dude

Ether was a natural part of Riis's ecosystem

Like water and food and oxygen is to Earth

[tough badge]

this is true

but u gotta be honest

this sounds like drugs if u dont know anything about the lore

[trim grotto]

literally nobody has made this comparison to me before and i've explained this many times

[tough badge]

W im the first

[slim girder]

You don't need to even know lore to know ether is what keeps eliksni alive.

[tough badge]

im being honest i knew it was there but i didnt know they needed it until starting the epsiode missions

[slim girder]

It's the thing that dictates their growth as well. A normal healthy eliksni is supposed to be the size of a captain

[tough badge]

i thought it was like glimmer or something

[blazing wasp]

I take it you're new to D2 then

[tough badge]

not at all i just never got into the lore lol

[blazing wasp]

It's a very prevalent topic in just about every mission with a focus on eliksni

[blazing wasp]

It's frequently explained outside of lore

[trim grotto]

It's barely considered lore
You see a flash of it every time you headshot a Fallen

[slim girder]

@tough badge everytime you pop the head off a fallen enemy, ether is what comes out.

[blazing wasp]

Main story, strikes, patrols, public events, they all have explained ethers function a lot

[tough badge]

thats this episode tho

[blazing wasp]

No

[slim girder]

It's on every fallen

[tough badge]

not the pink stuff?

[trim grotto]

that's been a thing since d1 vanilla

[blazing wasp]

Since day 1 destiny 1

[blazing wasp]

That's not ether, well, I'm pretty sure it isnt

Ether is blue generally

Either a slight dark hue, or more cyan

[slim girder]

It's just that white flashes and hissing sound

[trim grotto]

D1 and D2

[blazing wasp]

It's sustenance and a source for growth for the eliksni

[tough badge]

i must have a graphics setting turned down low or something cuz i never noticed that

[slim girder]

You wouldn't not see it.

[tough badge]

i saw like mist but not that much

[slim girder]

Even if you don't see it you'd hear it. That hissing noise is the ether.

[blazing wasp]

The purpose of servitors are to produce ether

They're not primarily for combat

[tough badge]

so r the tonics im making using ether?

[slim girder]

Yes

They're just modified for guardian consumption

[tough badge]

and they enhance me u might say?

[trim grotto]

god damn it dude

[tough badge]

lmao

[slim girder]

Not like that

[tough badge]

ok ill stop

[blazing wasp]

You've got a severe misconception about chemistry even if this is a video game.

[tough badge]

i jumped into these mission questioning what i was doing and my first thought was a certain show im not supposed to name

[trim grotto]

you realise that this entire conversation we're trying to stop you from having is breaking more rules than the show you're subtly redacting

[tough badge]

then eramis' description of what happens to eliksni when they dont have ether made me thing of it

[tough badge]

yes ill stop

can i ask an actual lore question?

[trim grotto]

Of course

[tough badge]

so servitors make ether but im guessing its still out of stuff the fallen us? like not earth materials?

thats what im collecting

the reagent sacks

[trim grotto]

Servitors consume raw matter and energy and convert it into Ether to sustain the Eliksni.

The supply of matter is not the issue, but the catalyst that transforms it - the Servitors themselves.

[tough badge]

can they not make more servitors?

even if they are greedy i feel like one person would be able to do that

they as in the groups that keep them for themselves

not all eliksni

[trim grotto]

Not easily. Servitors are incredibly complex machines, many of which were from Riis itself. Then there's the Servitor Hierarchy, with the Prime Servitors of the Houses and their Archons.

[tough badge]

so its basically either they dont have the materials to make them or they dont have people who know how

[trim grotto]

Not many people know how. The Archons were the caretakers of the Prime Servitors, and it's a very old technology.

[tough badge]

ok that makes more sense then

even tho scorn r from eliksni they dont need ether right? (they r like zombie fallen)

[trim grotto]

Fikrul first created the Scorn from Eliksni corpses using Corrupted Ether. Essentially poisoning their lifeforce. That is what animates them and what they use to create more Scorn.

This Episode, Fikrul can also just use the Echo. But that's how it happened in the past.

[slim girder]

Scorn do possess darkness infected ether

Also there's some wish magic involved I believe

[tough badge]

ya i was gonna say he doesnt need dead corpses any more he just uses the echo

[tough badge]

like darkness as in strand and stasis?

[trim grotto]

True. Riven, as a Taken Ahamkara, is the one who granted Uldren's Wish to revive Fikrul. The Taken influence is what afflicted his Ether with Darkness - plus, it's classic Ahamkara monkey's paw.

[slim girder]

No just darkness in general if that makes sense. Like how exos are made using vex fluid infected by darkness

[blazing wasp]

Stasis and strand are just two types of darkness.

Darkness is much, much more than that

[tough badge]

i did not know that lol

[slim girder]

I believe taken blight would be another form of darkness

[tough badge]

ya i was just wondering if it was like mixed with stasis

[blazing wasp]

Highly unlikely

[trim grotto]

Clovis Bray I used the Clarity Control - one of the Dissenter Statues, you see it in the DSC raid - to transform Radiolarian Fluid of the Vex into a material he dubbed Alkahest. It functioned as a way to stabilise the Exomind, and also functions as a power source.

[trim grotto]

No.

[tough badge]

was this something that was delved into in like early d2 and or d1 cuz i stopped playing like around the time the pyramids appeared near mars and darkness hadnt been revealed yet if im right

[trim grotto]

Beyond Light.

[tough badge]

was it hinted before that is ig what im aasking

[bronze crag]

Like middle d2

[tough badge]

ok gotcha

[trim grotto]

Not really. We knew of some vague connection to the Vex, but nothing concrete or deep until Beyond Light.

[tough badge]

this is bringing up more questions lol

[trim grotto]

Such as?

[tough badge]

i mean it would prob be better if i just looked it up on my own

i dont wanna make u guys tell me the entire history of every group in destiny lol

@trim grotto @blazing wasp @slim girder @bronze crag thx for the lore lesson

[slim girder]

[tropic swift]

So is voidwalker devour like siphoning the light from enemies and having it flow into you to heal or it something else.

[trim grotto]

Satomi, the creater of the Mask of the Quiet One, has this to say on the function of the mask.
"Must you all be so dark? You're too focused on the horns. Look, I have died hundreds of times hunting the shadowed killers in Murder Row. I spent years mulling over Toland's and Osiris's discourse on thanatonautics. I have dabbled a bit myself and saw what lingers immediately upon all death. What I have done is found a way to channel the Void to draw that essence in before it is lost to the ether, to return it to Light so it can be properly bestowed back on our enemies. Death does not need to be final; it can, in fact, be recycled. What's so dark about that?"
One could assume Devour to be of a similar form.

[slim girder]

So about the echo. I wonder which eliksni might be housed inside. That's if it even is an eliksni but considering they're singing a whirlwind dirge it must be one.

Maybe it's someone Mithrax, Eramis or Variks might know.

Or even spider

Complete speculation but do we know the status of Eramis partner Arthrys?

Is she alive?

[trim grotto]

She was sent to another star. That is as far as we know. She may be.

[trim grotto]

To clarify since I only half read this
She survived the Whirlwind and fled in another direction
So it's unlikely she is related to the Echo

[slim girder]

Right.
Do we know of any other eliksni that were around during that time? So far I've seen some small stories but nothing with any eliksni of note.

[trim grotto]

Well there's always our dear Kell of Stone

[errant tapir]

A taken akhmara?

So a black riven?

What is the side effect of dreaming city?

[slim girder]

You mean the curse on the city?

It's a loop. Those in the curse are forced to repeat the same events over and over as at the time all that violence and deception was tithing to savathun

So she was growing in power with what was called a "murder battery"

A taken vex mind named quria made this possible

[trim grotto]

Riven was Taken by Oryx when he arrived in the system. It's why we do the Last Wish Raid.

[errant tapir]

ooo

[errant tapir]

wait

those in the curses?

not all who lives in dreaming city is cursed?

chosen ones?

[slim girder]

All the awoken in the dreaming city are cursed. I can't remember the exact details because I haven't read up on it in a while but to simplify it the awoken people are unable to leave and be rid of the curse so they are forced to repeat the same events over a 3 week cycle.

I believe Petra and Mara are the exceptions to this curse

[ember storm]

Afaik, anyone in the city when it was cursed is caught in a loop of whatever they did for those original 3 weeks

We’re outside of the loop but we go through the motions again anyway for the sake of stability

We can’t just let Dul Incaru escape with the awoken’s secrets and everything

[slim girder]

To keep the city safe the loop is required to be played out

[brittle dirge]

What happened to the d1 exotics that aren’t in d2 canonically?

Like THE RAM

[blazing wasp]

most got destroyed in the red war, some were confiscated (like ice breaker)

hawkmoon was destroyed

[dim minnow]

Then reforged in the Traveler's Light

[eager trout]

What happened to Calus after the Glykon crashed?

[empty fern]

He lived

[eager trout]

I mean where did he go?

[slim girder]

To meet the witness. The experiments there were done because he wanted to make the witness recognise him.

[eager trout]

But where did he go????

[empty fern]

To the witness

Someone send the cryptology post lf calus emote

[ember storm]

I don’t remember it crashing

It went out to the mars anomaly and Calus went on a spacewalk and flew into it

He probably just went somewhere in the ascendant plane where the witness gave him a rundown

[surreal junco]

was it ever confirmed that taniks was herald?

[sleek matrix]

Nope

[lost abyss]

I don't think we've had any confirmation on who Harold is at all

[eager trout]

Crashed, hit, whatever it did to the "wall of Acheron"

[brittle dirge]

We don’t know shit about herald

But they are most defensively not Taniks

[surreal junco]

yeah my friends like

thats taniks bro

[brittle dirge]

Your friend is playing into the meme of people claiming they’re Taniks or just shooting the shit

[surreal junco]

their only point id

“they have the same gun”

[brittle dirge]

It is a basic shrapnel launcher

https://www.destinypedia.com/Shrapnel_Launcher

besides that model isn’t even correct for in game

D2 and D1 Taniks respectively

Another point I’ve heard is that they have similar head shapes but like they don’t?

Taniks has short, round stubs in his head and a big circular bump towards the top

The herald possesses sharp, elongated outwards spikes and a flat bump at the top

Their eyes are also in different places and do not match

And one thing that has stayed consistent with Taniks through his portrayals is his head and how it looks

House of Wolves, Rise of Iron, Shadowkeep, Beyond Light respectively

[ember storm]

His decapitated head is still mounted in Elsie’s camp, so

[brittle dirge]

I always assumed that is a replica, no?

[ember storm]

Why would it be a replica

[brittle dirge]

Leaving it unsecured for his crew to attempt to steal it and revive him for the umpteth time is not exactly safe

[ember storm]

All the triumphs about those trophies are about killing the empire members

[brittle dirge]

And some of the things we obtain are replicas

[ember storm]

The personal quarters of Elsie Bray unsafe?

He doesn’t have any crew left

[brittle dirge]

there is no security

[ember storm]

She is the security

You think with all her advanced tech and gizmos she wouldn’t have something to alert her to when someone’s inside her literal house where she stockpiles toilet paper

[brittle dirge]

She only has stasis

And saying Cayde, a light bearer, couldn’t even take a few hundred scorn I doubt she could take some fallen

[ember storm]

Cayde was flashy and reckless, just recovered from falling multiple stories, and brought only a hand cannon

Elsie has NTTE, incredibly advanced warp tech, and stasis 24/7

[brittle dirge]

you did get me there

Elsie is stoic and serious

[ember storm]

Her powers can’t be stripped away by killing a sentient drone

Also like, yknow

There was an entire cutscene in BL of her killing a whole crew of fallen

[brittle dirge]

Is no time to explain ever that powerful canonically?

[ember storm]

It literally warps the fabric of time

She one shots captains with it

So yeah

[brittle dirge]

I knew you would mention that, she had backup

Drifter and Eris were also there

[ember storm]

Elsie was the one who did the move that froze literally all active combatants and then shattered them all at once

Drifter was struggling and Eris could only deal with one thing at a time

Elsie never broke a sweat

[brittle dirge]

Aren’t we more powerful than her with stasis though?

[ember storm]

No?

The guardian is not inherently stronger than others

[brittle dirge]

We have a connection with the darkness that she does not

[ember storm]

The only arguable thing is access to prismatic which may or may not

[ember storm]

She does

All of them do

Only salvation was specifically using the cruxes and technology

They were not versed in darkness or how to properly wield it

They had to cheat to get ahead

Elsie is literally the one who teaches us how to use stasis without any outside help

“Look within, focus your power”

[brittle dirge]

How so? Are you going to bring up the fact exos are close to the darkness no matter what

[ember storm]

Literally anyone can learn to use stasis without technology

Salvation had to use devices because they weren’t disciplined or trained

[brittle dirge]

Yet we haven’t seen anyone use strand as well as we do

How is one harder than the other?

[ember storm]

Everyone can do that too

Strand is just more unwieldy to learn the first time because it can dangerously backfire

That was the whole point of Osiris teaching us, we were both learning it at the same time

He has access to strand without any issue

[brittle dirge]

Any lightbearer could do it though as we don’t die

[ember storm]

It’s not a unique power

[ember storm]

And nonlightbearers can do it too

The dying montage was just us learning how to use it at all

[brittle dirge]

But they can die

So there’s a high chance they can’t

[ember storm]

Osiris watched us and learned what not to do, now he can use it perfectly fine

[brittle dirge]

And yet we still died

[ember storm]

I don’t

Get what you’re trying to say

Strand and stasis just have different kinds of thought attached to them

You just have to take different approaches

[brittle dirge]

Okay hold on let me retrace my steps and try to explain my ideas here

[ember storm]

Strand only kills you when you’re trying to force it to obey you

The whole point is learning to go with the flow

Osiris watched us die and learned what not to do, and can now use strand without issue

Stasis you have to make sure to maintain control and be disciplined

Literally the only issue with strand was us trying to apply the same logic we used for stasis on it

[brittle dirge]

The vanguard takes Taniks’ body but leaves his head (why would they do this) and instead the head goes to Elsie’s house for… some reason…? Because we hate him? Idfk.

So my reasoning is that can’t be safe, we have vaults with much more security. You claim Elsie could handle it, sure but it depends on who and how many.

I highly doubt house salvation would want to go after Taniks again and his crew are gone but there could always be someone.

I’m getting sidetracked. Point is, I claim Elsie isn’t as strong as us. Sure that might be wrong but idk I just feel like we are.

This leads into a debate on how stasis is learnable by any soul. I claim it has to be focused with darkness (it does) but it keeps going. I try to use strand as a point of reference because both darkness elements but it doesn’t work.

Recap done.

[ember storm]

https://youtu.be/3UKeMo3UerU?t=88&si=Rm_6rJ9SbJbCy2xa

[brittle dirge]

I’ve heard these before

[ember storm]

Literally the only difference between us using stasis and Eramis was the fact that Eramis was handicapped by cheating the system and using technology to use stasis, not wielding it as her own power (the thing that led to her being frozen)

Anyway, nothing has suggested the vanguard took Taniks’ body

That’s not standard procedure for any strike or raid team

Savathun was taken because she literally had a live ghost

[brittle dirge]

why would they not? Most of our raid enemies are taken because after the raid

Rhulk was

Riven was

[ember storm]

And Oryx was taken because his body was still going through a form of cell growth and an entire army had just tried to resurrect us

[ember storm]

She wasn’t

We literally left her corpse there to rot

[brittle dirge]

Yeah I just remembered that mb

[ember storm]

That’s what the beginning of Wish was

[brittle dirge]

I forgot about wish

[ember storm]

He also wasn’t

[brittle dirge]

The hidden were taking his body

He tried to resurrect and was blown up

[ember storm]

Samples were taken of the vine growths

Not any actual corpse part

I also struggle to understand why a hidden agent would need to steal it from the enclave camp and flee on a sparrow

Probably because that wasn’t actually an agent securing the remains of anything

[brittle dirge]

From what I remember it’s because it was unsafe, yes?

Or did we not get a clear reason why

[brittle dirge]

The lore reads like a real document and they are seen as a hidden agent so I think they were

[ember storm]

No it doesn’t

It’s not a report

It’s the standard 3rd person narration any lore tab uses

Only the flavor text is

[brittle dirge]

Oh, I must’ve gotten it confused then

[ember storm]

And it has nothing to do with the hidden

[brittle dirge]

Okay but then that raises more questions

[ember storm]

The man was a mortal human

There was no ghost to heal or furthermore revive him

He was specifically taking samples captured of the vine growths away on sparrow at an incredibly reckless and fast speed

That’s why he crashed

He wasn’t a hidden agent securing anything for the vanguard

[brittle dirge]

Why would somebody attempt theft on something like that? I assume little people were told about Rhulk or anything to do of such the moment his death happened so why and who would steal it?

[ember storm]

We’ve gotten bits and pieces of lore over the years of mortal people doing this exact thing

Hakke just arbitrarily hoarded the traveler cage pieces which led to the Psions attempting to assassinate Zavala

A hakke employee also captured a live hive ghost for experimentation

[brittle dirge]

okay but we should get back to the main topic

Aksis was taken into a vanguard vault yes? I assumed most SIVA things were. It’s not safe to leave that shit around

[ember storm]

No

It was all destroyed aside from Outbreak

Outbreak also wasn’t in a vanguard vault, it was in the cryptarch’s for study

Capturing enemy corpses is not standard procedure for anything

[brittle dirge]

And those dumbasses left it behind normal glass

[ember storm]

It was in the middle of the actual tower itself

The only reason it was stolen was because it was literally abandoned

If Eramis tried pulling that before the red war, her crew wouldn’t have even managed to set one foot in there

Anyway, yes, the vanguard does not take every precaution you might expect, so you shouldn’t try losing sleep over it

The plot of Undying revolves around Ikora literally building a vex gate right behind her vendor location in the middle of the tower

And everyone was fine with that apparently

Also the tower npcs building the portal had no eye protection when wielding

99% of the time fireteams just clean house and leave

Savathun and oryx were very specific exceptions

This also extends to the current act of Revenant too

[brittle dirge]

That is kinda dumb

It’s not only unsafe but a massive hazard

Like it’s the same issue as Atraks disappearing in DSC, we don’t know if we killed her, that’s why that rumor of the Hidden happened where her mind still existed or that we killed a clone by the og fireteam. We didn’t see a physical body.

And by VH we know she didn’t die at all. So hopefully we captured her body this time because if we didn’t this shit could happen all over again

[ember storm]

||You’re telling me after I went through so much shit to kill Skolas, and the awoken just put the body in the freezer after? CREMATE THE FUCKER||

[brittle dirge]

||Yeah I thought the same thing. He was just in a normal fucking cell? Why?!||

[ember storm]

I mean for all we knew her body was just on the morning star as it crashed into Europa

Which is kind of what happened

And was the point of that one blog post

For all we knew she was dead, but there was a chance one of her actually survived

[brittle dirge]

But it’s also not kinda what happened because parts of the morning star ended up on VH including Atraks herself

[ember storm]

||WHY IS THE PRISON EVEN STILL FUNCTIONING AT ALL, MARA ISN’T USING IT||

This is the same plothole that happens in fnaf 3 actually

Purple guy dies in an empty suit with no metal endoskeleton inside, but for some reason 30 years later he’s actually just corpse bits set around a fully functional metal robot

||Did spider’s crew go and rebuild the warden Servitor and just??? Leave???||

[brittle dirge]

||I have no clue. There is no one being put back/being put into the prison so why is there even a second warden??? Why is there any of this at all? Burn the shit with the prisoners inside it||

[ember storm]

||Like sure I can understand that lucent hive and dread are willingly entering the prison to get the echo, sure||

||Pretending at all that they’d actually get stuck in there afterward though? No???||

[brittle dirge]

||Until we get lore on wtf there’s another warden I’m confused af||

[ember storm]

Don’t even get me started on how half baked the WQ mystery even was in the first place

Bungie we both know you can write genuine narratives and plots, but you just don’t elaborate on stuff that definitely needs to be

[brittle dirge]

Despite some lore on what happened to Atraks to end up like this we still don’t fucking know much about it

[ember storm]

Where is the vesper station in orbit again I’ve never done it

[brittle dirge]

Europa

Next to DSC

[ember storm]

So like while the entire morning star is plummeting down on a programmed collision course to impact the moon

Atraks not only manages to crawl onto a piece that just comes off before impact

And that piece also manages to fly its way onto a neighboring space station

And she just lives in the vents and stuff for four years?

[brittle dirge]

Like I feel like if they wanted to make it more probable make it so that she got to an escape pod or something and it crashed into something before drifting towards VH

[ember storm]

They should’ve just done an exo backup thing

That’s an actual thing exos could do in the golden age

They could’ve even explained it with “well the fallen tried remaking the system but did it shit so now Atraks is all bonkers”

[brittle dirge]

I mean yeah it would just be Atraks-2

Also I’m shocked people don’t know what the numbers in exo’s names mean

[ember storm]

She still needs to eat and sleep

She experienced DER

How did she even function for four years up there

[brittle dirge]

Maybe she took her flesh from her dead body to eat /j

[ember storm]

Or is the idea that she went the wrathborn route of completely giving up on her own body functions and self preservation for the sake of serving some higher power

Because that’s just derivative

[brittle dirge]

The only thing she doesn’t need is ether

[ember storm]

Which in and of itself was derivative of taken

WRATHBORN IS ONLY A COOL IDEA IF YOU ACTUALLY SHOW THE COOL SHIT, BUNGIE

MAKE THE ENEMIES MUTATE AND GROW TENTACLES

they’re just worse green taken ingame

[brittle dirge]

It couldn’t even go the Devil splicers route of no ether because she didn’t need it anyway

[ember storm]

Like the tangled shore captain boss actually being a dreg that mutated to that size and grew an additional pair of arms? Cool shit!

Does the ingame model reflect that at all

[brittle dirge]

no

[ember storm]

[brittle dirge]

same way I wish Atraks was more beat up

[ember storm]

The witness was right we should’ve just ended it all

[brittle dirge]

I feel like 4 years she would be nothing but fucking wires

[ember storm]

Unironically I would want her design to share elements of the splicers wherein it was just a kitbash of a bunch of different scrapped material

Not just a couple scratches

[brittle dirge]

Oh my god

I love the splicer designs so much

No bias at all

[ember storm]

In a meta sense it’s also really funny

Imagine all the guys from IT just formed a cult and then try to get you to join when they bring back the WiFi

[brittle dirge]

Like she looks not even close to as damaged as she should be

[ember storm]

Then you run into them in the cafeteria and they’ve all got boxes on their heads and chopped off their own hands

[brittle dirge]

And they also stopped drinking water because they don’t need it

[ember storm]

Like that looks like the Calus final stand damage

I miss that mechanic

[brittle dirge]

It was so cool

His body parts falling off to show the robot bits

[eager trout]

The what?

[dim minnow]

Wrathborn refer to those afflicted by Xivu Arath's presence

their minds are twisted, making them her loyal servants of war

in lore entries, we also see that Wrathborn get heavily mutated, but we never see it ingame

[slim girder]

The cryptoliths are really cool

Basically control towers that turn others to wrathborn

[lost abyss]

Honestly, I just attribute her frame's appearance to the likely resilient material it's made of, since she has a unqiue frame.

[brittle dirge]

Speaking of this

Do we have a canonical reason on how any boss can take that much damage

Most of them are just like, their normal bodies with some armor sometimes

[lost abyss]

I assume it's another case of ludonarrative dissonance. Destiny has a lot of cases of things not matching up with gameplay.

edited...

[eager trout]

Ah, ok. Thanks

[dim minnow]

it might not have been a copy we damaged directly

[brittle dirge]

what?

I’m confused what you’re trying to say

[lost abyss]

Shields

Stuff like that I'm guessing

[dim minnow]

the Corrupted Puppeteer is an Atraks copy that avoided us

[lost abyss]

Oh, that too

[brittle dirge]

I thought she was the real Atraks in the flesh

[dim minnow]

and the damage it sustained was a result of the Morningstar crashing into Vesper Station

[brittle dirge]

Also sorry I get your sentence now I just couldn’t understand your og sentence

The wording was throwing me off

[dim minnow]

she might be, she might not be

[brittle dirge]

We don’t know because bungie this season has been deciding to hide information like it’s the fucking plague

[lost abyss]

Not sure if it would really matter since there were so many replicants, you could easily say we missed one.

[brittle dirge]

Like ||why is there a new warden servitor? Why is he there and why didn’t we hear of him before? Why was skolas just in a normal fucking cell after his death? Why is the warden still around anyway? The prison is abandoned. Why are the dread and hive that came in for the echo still around? Wouldn’t they just leave after fikrul’s departure?|| (heavy act 2 spoilers)

This is the season of no fucking answers

[lost abyss]

I haven't started Act II so, I'm afraid to reveal this lmao

[brittle dirge]

It has heavy spoilers for it so do not

[lost abyss]

un thank you

[brittle dirge]

It is common human decency to mark spoilers as spoilers especially since it hasn’t even been a week since act 2 dropped

Do not thank me

[lost abyss]

I fixed it lul

[brittle dirge]

I’d say thank you but I’d be a hypocrite

[lost abyss]

Understandable

[dim minnow]

I mean, there was probably stuff like additional voice lines and supplemental lore planned, but the need to remove the weekly pacing kinda forced them to do away with it or at least delay it coming out

[brittle dirge]

The idea of ||skolas coming back|| was definitely a big bomb shell and it happening in the first week makes me forget there isn’t more on Tuesday

[dim minnow]

it was a week 3 thing

in fact, I can already tell how this act was supposed to go

week 1 - ToE intro + first two minor fieldworks and 1st major fieldwork
week 2 - ||Get up to the part where Eido lashes out at Crow|| + second two minor fieldworks and last major fieldwork + key fieldwork
week 3 - ||Skolas reveal and Eramis released||

[brittle dirge]

Spoilers

Mark it plz

Thank you

[dim minnow]

because I'm pretty sure the act 2 fieldwork is supposed to chronologically happen before the end of act 2

[slim girder]

First time looking at this properly but what's this supposed to be? Does fikrul cart bodies away for experimentation? With the echo? Seems like something of interest considering it's at the end of Onslaught.

[dim minnow]

what?

never seen those

this is in the Onslaught boss room?

[slim girder]

Yes

Right in front of the chests

[dim minnow]

well, Fikrul can already raise dead Eliksni into Scorn

[slim girder]

Right but is that what this could be for? Or is fikruls ability to turn living eliksni into scorn a product of more study.

Like does he just keep dead bodies around waiting to be summoned?

[ornate pike]

People have talked about this a lot, I'm sure it's even been mentioned here, but the fact this season isn't committing to the 'vampire hunter' esthetics makes me upset.
We have techno vampire hunter armor, a stake grenade launcher, and we're called 'slayer barons' like it's a play on 'monster slayers'
But like
The scron aren't vampires here.
They're just
More scorn-y.
It would've been so so easy to just say 'oh the captured Eliksni are being used as ether caches cause Fikrul doesn't have the man power to just make the big tankers he had back in Forsaken, and the Scorn can bite and feed on them, lefting them to turn into Scorn later.'

Also I feel like if they'd made the scorn armor more black like they did in the trailer with more highlighed red glowing eyes it'd set them apart way more.

[slim girder]

The new scorn are pretty similar to the base definition of a vampire though.
Undead, and immortal, corrupted blood aka ether which can turn others into scorn.
Don't forget we have the dread and and I want assume fikruls vampire keep as it's said by bungie will look like something a vampire would call home.

It's not going to be a 1 to 1 mirror of vampires but it can still take inspiration from it.

[slim girder]

Do we have any lore relating to the mechanics of destiny's gun models? I've seen plenty of lore about the design but never anything about how they fire or cartridge sizes or things like that.

[trim grotto]

There's an old booklet from... D1 Collector's Edition?

Let me see if I can dig it up.

[trim grotto]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JHPrpWefvNRpNm-dBLAn7QYNjgDbZ76Z/view?usp=sharing

[slim girder]

That's really cool

I've never seen this before

Even has some exotics which is nice.

Funny how it says hand cannons fire 40mm rounds. IRL that's the stuff we use for grenade launchers

Auto rifles and pulses are firing slugs. These guns seem massive compared to IRL

[covert stone]

Have you SEEN a Destiny Hand Cannon? They're like double the size of a real life one I fully believe it fires 40mm bullets

[empty fern]

We bringing back warhammer comparisons?

[slim girder]

Warhammer would be if we fired destiny rocket launchers as regular bullets.

[empty fern]

True

May I introduce graviton lance

[lost abyss]

Oh, the localized singularity shooter

[trim grotto]

Yeah a lot of the City era Handcannons are produced specifically for Guardians, not mortals

[slim girder]

Regular person would probably lose their hand firing some guardian weapons

The recoil of a hand cannon would probably hit them in the head.

[eager trout]

Rocket launcher except it launches you like a rocket

Hand cannon except it cannons your hand

[fresh zephyr]

who is cayde 2 3 4 or 5

[trim grotto]

What do you know of Exo resets? Their numbering scheme in general?

[fresh zephyr]

dont thy have like personal stories , like what happened during caydes 2nd reboot?

like dont there personalitys change?

making them kinda stand alone characters

[trim grotto]

Not necessarily. When an Exo undergoes a reset, their episodic memory is erased.

They are, essentially, an amnesiac. Akin to a freshly resurrected Lightbearer.

[dim minnow]

DESTINY 2 EPISODE REFERENCE

[trim grotto]

However, d... Dova, please.

[dim minnow]

of course, continue

[trim grotto]

However, Destiny has a mixture of Nature and Nurture. Some of who you are is core to your being, but your experiences shape your personality just as much.

You can see an example of this with Uldren vs Crow.

[jagged badge]

Why is that so big? 😭

[dim minnow]

what's so big?

[trim grotto]

As for who Cayde-2 through 5 specifically were? Well, mortal Exo. We only see snippets of their lives in excerpts of his journal. Eventually, of course, Cayde died... and was resurrected by a Ghost as the Cayde-6 we know.

[trim grotto]

the entire image is huge

[fresh zephyr]

understood

[dim minnow]

it's 96 kb

is that big?

[trim grotto]

Part of the reason Cayde kept his journal was so that it would help him stay true to himself. His journal shaped who his future selves became.

[trim grotto]

You're a goblin.

[dim minnow]

he also sort of used it as a coping mechanism

using it to connect with his nonexistent son, Ace

[trim grotto]

Existent. Just not in a way that mattered anymore.

[dim minnow]

I'm just Brave like that

[trim grotto]

Ace did exist though, to be clear.

[lost abyss]

Wait, really? Last thing I remember was there not being conclusive evidence for Ace existing

[trim grotto]

Oh my yes
Basically people read the entry about Cayde saying his family weren't real in a literal sense, as well as without context
Earlier entries in the journals pretty conclusively show that Ace existed.

[lost abyss]

You know, I think I should do a reread of most of the lore. It's been a while since I've revisted things outside of using them as citations.

[ember storm]

The point is that “Ace” and his “Queen” did not exist in the capacity he pretended

The memories were real, the stories and people he created from them were not

[lost abyss]

Interesting

[somber pendant]

bro wait but where was devrim kay during excision 😭

slacker fr!!!

[mortal shell]

What was he going to do💀

[dim minnow]

Hawthorne was there

rewatching the cutscene rn

[mortal shell]

I see I rewatched it

Still what was he going to do

[dim minnow]

snipe

that one mission in Defiance should have showed him one-tapping a Cabal boss

but yeah, I can't see Devrim in that cutscene

even near Hawthorne, which is where he was most likely to be

[mortal shell]

Exactly

💀

[dim minnow]

at least he and Marc were talking with her in the Tower in the ending cutscenes

"hey dear, how was the battle?"

[mortal shell]

Ikora sigma ranked guardian cayde hive protectors probably shaxx

[dim minnow]

"It went great, though for some reason I heard what sounded like the Journey motif play just before the Witness got hit by those Light beams"

[dim minnow]

Shaxx was there yeah

Saladin, Dark Vanguard

Ana Bray

[mortal shell]

Compare to everyone he was filler

It felt like super smash bros ultimate

My PC was even there for support because of fps💀

[mortal shell]

Realistic exo stranger probably too

[dim minnow]

I made this meme over 6 years ago

[dim minnow]

yeah, Dark Vaguard as I said

[mortal shell]

Yep everyone has here

[dim minnow]

Dark Vanguard is the internal name Bungie gave to the Eris, Drifter, Elsie trio that they did nothing with in Beyond Light

[mortal shell]

You predicted the future

[dim minnow]

I also saw a funny Tr3-Vr meme I made a long time ago too

would have been fitting to repost it during ItL

[lost abyss]

I always take the cubby from my fireteam

[mortal shell]

Yep I sleep now it's dark as fuck

[somber pendant]

bro what was ana bray gonna do 😭

just beat excision for the first time and i can definitely say im satisfied!

||cayde had a good ending that made sense, ikora's thoughts felt realistic, and the final cutscene with the traveler was nice 😁||

[trim grotto]

Ana Bray is one of the strongest Gunslingers around.

[mortal shell]

My PC said no first time💀

[somber pendant]

the mission was WAY too short

[trim grotto]

Her Golden Gun is legendary.

[somber pendant]

but

im still happy tho

[somber pendant]

devrim kay is the most british

actually i guess that's a point against him

[dim minnow]

play it on Grandmaster

[somber pendant]

me at 1980 power

[dim minnow]

yeah

[somber pendant]

ill get to 2030 eventually

[trim grotto]

2010 gear is max. Anything more is Artifact.

[somber pendant]

oh

how do you get the other 20 points

[trim grotto]

Artifact bonus is simply through XP. You're not expected to be 20+ points over though.

[somber pendant]

so wait grandmaster is 20+ over the 'max' difficulty?

damn no wonder that happened the first time i played on it

[trim grotto]

You can be 2010, with extra from Artifact. 2030 is possible, though few get to it.

[somber pendant]

cool cool

[trim grotto]

You are, however, expected to be below it.

[somber pendant]

is power canon?

[trim grotto]

Sort of.

[somber pendant]

or is it just gameplay

interesting

[dim minnow]

never expected I'd do a master Persys checkpoint and GM Excision in the same day

[trim grotto]

"Power" is considered to be a form of quantifying strength, but it is also considered by Ikora to be limiting and not encompassing enough to cover the true strength of a Guardian.

[somber pendant]

true

thats pretty cool

[dim minnow]

and a lot of other crazy things are canon

like Eager Edge skating

random rolls, weapon perks

[trim grotto]

Some of those I wouldn't put out there in quite that manner.

[somber pendant]

how does the guardian weapon swap

in canon

is it transmatted in and out

[slim girder]

Playing through strikes is canon. The DFA lore tab describes guardians sprinting past all enemies in the infinite forest

[dim minnow]

for weapons you have equipped, you just hold them

[trim grotto]

Not a universal reference. That is one of the few canonically repeated Strikes.

[dim minnow]

otherwise, transmat is most likely

some strikes repeat only once

like Arms Dealer

[slim girder]

Transmat definitely. We saw Osiris pull his scout rifle from basically nowhere.
Crow didn't have hawkmoon when attacked by cayde but then all of a sudden it was in his hand.

[somber pendant]

are there mentions about guardian ranks too?

[trim grotto]

No. But those are relatively new.

[somber pendant]

yk like "veteran" and stuff

[slim elk]

Most likely in verse there's a lot of "offscreen" strikes guardians run to handle local threats.

Offing the occasion Hive Brood leader or blowing up some cabal base

[somber pendant]

oh cool

wait where was luzaku during excision

[dim minnow]

she shows up during the first part of the mission

where you capture the middle plate

[somber pendant]

oh huh i mustve missed her

[dim minnow]

not the one with the Tormentor

[sick yew]

To be fair there's a ton of characters there

[somber pendant]

true lol

[dim minnow]

I wonder why the skiffblades didn't show up

[somber pendant]

so much firing i was just shooting and hoping i was helping

[slim elk]

Excision is designed to be total chaos

[dim minnow]

we had SCUR-V and Halsiks

[dim minnow]

the opening on GM was like the beaches of Normandy

[somber pendant]

tbh i kinda wish excision had respawn off

[slim elk]

Bungie likes to deny us all our cool player houses

[somber pendant]

it wouldve been kinda funny if all twelve of us just perma died i cant lie

[slim elk]

In verse we have a full ketch to our name

[dim minnow]

I have a clip of an Omen team wiping us

[slim girder]

On spiders payroll and we know he doesn't like to do anything that could get his associates killed. At least that's just my thoughts.

[dim minnow]

though it was on normal

[dim minnow]

SCUR-V and Halsiks were there though

[somber pendant]

he hates them apparently

must be true

[slim girder]

Scur V is a shank though right? And eliksni treat shanks like pets. Even exploder shanks just get repaired

[dim minnow]

SCUR-V is a servitor

and servitors are basically (or were basically) treated like minor deitys

[somber pendant]

servitors do get dissected a lot right

[slim girder]

Even then it's still a machine so could be repaired if damaged.

[slim elk]

By Scorn yep

[slim girder]

And house salvation

[somber pendant]

theres also a couple in the eliksni quarter

that are dissected

[dim minnow]

as Failsafe says, if they're destroyed, they're gone

[somber pendant]

one by the hammocks and one next to mixracks throne

mithrax

[slim elk]

Next arc maybe.. nezrax?

[somber pendant]

call me an eliksni the way i mixracks

there's something there

[slim girder]

Idk. If the warden servitor is back then I think there's definitely some way to restore them. Like we completely destroy them but say if one is just taken out of combat it could be restored

[dim minnow]

there is Kaliks Reborn

[slim elk]

Bungie does play fast and loose with lore when it suits them.
I mean.. Skolas?

[slim girder]

Sepiks was revived through siva. Yes it's a special case but still an example of a servitor coming back

[dim minnow]

what about him?

[slim elk]

Guys been dead for the better part of a decade lol

[slim girder]

Still within the bounds of lore. A dead eliksni gets revived as scorn. That's completely possible in the lore

Fikrul just needs the body

[dim minnow]

though it seems like he is a Revenant

[slim elk]

Yeah. Just typically brain dead (and all these new Scorn types are still subservient to Fikrul)

[dim minnow]

hmmm, maybe the Echo can bring dead Eliksni back as Revenants

[slim girder]

Skolas scorn or no is still powerful and dangerous..

[dim minnow]

then we had cases like Fikrul's knights who were seemingly more capable

[slim girder]

It turns alive eliksni into scorn and can brink back eliksni only a moment after death it looks like. Basically the same ability as hive guardians

Like they carry that totem or something

[slim elk]

All this just goes to show the Vanguard really should have secured Fikruls corpse a long time ago lol
Throw into a cryo pod

[dim minnow]

there is a cryo pod in the jail room

maybe we use that

[slim girder]

Crazy but maybe this might finally be the time we kill him for good

[slim elk]

Nah. Probably a villain stage left exit

[dim minnow]

part of me is hoping he won't be gone for good

I really liked him as an antagonist

[slim elk]

I mean.. are they really trying an Eramis redemption arc... now?

[dim minnow]

and it's a shame he never really had more moments in the game's story over the years

because he was a very unique antagonist

[slim girder]

Just my opinion but I feel too many times we've just let villains live. The witness was the last big death we had.

[trim grotto]

Calus.

[slim elk]

The Vanguard sucks at that as of late it seems

[slim girder]

Also him yes

[slim elk]

I think something that may come up is that all the Echos seem to conviently make it to the hands of our enemies and none get secured by the Guardians-allies

[slim girder]

Savathun still lives but what about xivu arath? What would Caitl think if we just let her live. She'd stop at nothing to get her.

[slim elk]

Weren't we tracking the things as they left the Traveler?

[slim girder]

Yes

[slim elk]

How did Fikrul manage to grab the dumb thing first then?

[slim girder]

Not sure yet.

[trim grotto]

Tracking it doesn't mean we found it, nor got there first.

[slim girder]

Were tracking the first one but the others seemed to have gotten pretty far ahead

Like they were flung through space. We can't just up and move that fast

[dim minnow]

Echo has a mind of its own

[trim grotto]

We were also still recovering from/dealing with/celebrating the death of the Witness.

Which, y'know, is a pretty big victory.

[slim girder]

Crow sent scouts. That was the most that was done about the echoes at first

[dim minnow]

it probably found Fikrul on its own

[slim girder]

As mael said we were just trying to celebrate our big win

[errant tapir]

Hello

Fellow lore enjoyers

Can you bestow a fun fact lore?

[jagged badge]

The Awoken exist because someone got absolutely domed by a frozen rabbit embryo in space

[errant tapir]

Huh?

Wait

The embryo becomes an awoken?

[jagged badge]

No lmao

[errant tapir]

Details bro

[jagged badge]

Sis

She came because she saw an omen in a man's death. She was on EVA with him, repairing a jammed radiator fin on an uncrewed circum-Jovian platform. They worked in companionable silence, listening to the howl of the Jovian magnetosphere when it happened. A frozen rabbit embryo came out of deep space at forty kilometers per second and went through his faceplate. The rabbit must have been spilled in a biocontainer accident far from the sun to plunge back inward like a comet.

Immediately afterward—for reasons very clear to her because she has always had a sense for the meaning of things, reasons very difficult to explain to others because she has always felt this sense was secret—she asked her mother if the family could travel with Project Amrita.```

So basically, Mara Sov was only on the Yang Liwei because of this, and only because of Mara being there were the Awoken created when the ship was consumed by a kugelblitz

[errant tapir]

What In the hell

Who is this male person?

Yang liwei a person ig

Eva?

Tf is a kugelblitz?

I imagine a big bug monster

[jagged badge]

The Yang Liwei is a ship

The Exodus Green, also known as the Yang Liwei

It was leaving the Solar System when the Black Fleet arrived in the Collapse

[jagged badge]

A singularity, caused by the clashing forces of Light and Dark when the Traveler fought the Black Fleet

[jagged badge]

EVA is “extravehicular activity”

So, Mara and her coworker were out in space repairing something

[jagged badge]

Well, Yang Liwei is an actual real life Chinese astronaut. The ship in Destiny is named after him

[errant tapir]

Yup deep space

How does the accident of plummeting a baby rabbit embryo to the face creates awoken?

[jagged badge]

Domino effect really

It’s not direct causation ofc

[sick yew]

Vex like classical music

And rock

For some reason

[clever tiger]

I just realized something... we killed the warden servitor how is it back is there a piece of lore that I'm missing or was that strike retconned
-# [ I'm not exactly new here I've been here many times]

Mr New Kell Of Kells can only bring back organic Fallen he can't exactly resurrect a piece of machinery

[ember storm]

Nothing has been stated in any official capacity but there’s a precedent for multiple versions of servitors existing

It’s basically just an empty shell with Variks’ own AI replacing any ether-making capabilities, so not super out of the question

Spider’s crew also could’ve rebuilt it to restart the systems before selling it back to the awoken (I feel like they would pull an auto shop type strat like that)

[viscid citrus]

so question

does anyone know what the eliksni language is actually called?

I have never found anything name-wise for their language, it's always just referred to as the 'fallen language'

is it just called eliksni? I figured it'd have it's own name like cabal ulurant

[brittle dirge]

I always assumed it was just called eliksni as we never got an official name

[viscid citrus]

fair

it'd be cool for us to get an actual name for it tho

[trim grotto]

Since the question moved over here I'll repeat my earlier answer
Just Eliksni. Though, there is High Speak and Low Speak.

[covert stone]

So like English and Victorian English but with [chittering]

[lost abyss]

Considering it's damaged appearance and "Glitchy" dialogue quirks, this makes the most sense to me.

[quiet yacht]

I got a lore question but it relates to destiny rising

Is this true

[jagged badge]

No

[covert stone]

Well, Destiny Rising isn't canon but iirc she's a Dredgen, but not Dredgen Yor

[jagged badge]

She’s a new character for that game called Gwyn

Beyond that I don’t know anything about her though

Dredgen Yor is a man named Rezyl Azzir

[quiet yacht]

I see

When people say it’s not Canon it just doesn’t make sense to me because okay clearly they establish it’s a different timeline and in the main game they established that timelines exists and they have been occurrences between them

Like the exo stranger is prime example

Hell the whole vex is kind of based on this

In the end time travel gets messy

[jagged badge]

They more mean that in the sense that it doesn’t have bearing on the main games and its lore

Unless Bungie choose to implement elements from it

[quiet yacht]

True

[dim minnow]

does the term "canon adjacent" apply here?

is it even a real term?

[quiet yacht]

Never heard that term before

[covert stone]

It's a term used for messed up canons like League of Legends

[quiet yacht]

If they were to do like a destiny show, would they make it Canon into the main story?

I don’t know. I feel like because of Sony owning them they’re gonna probably at some point run down that path.

[dim minnow]

pretty sure that was supposed to be Bungie's ultimate goal when partnering up with Sony

[quiet yacht]

I bet you if they were to give us a show, it’s gonna be like the halo series

💀

Personally main character I would love to see would probably be exo stranger

[covert stone]

A Destiny show will either be canon or so far removed it might as well not be Destiny and I don't think there's an in-between

[quiet yacht]

Let’s hope they don’t pull an arcane

I hate when things are like separated not together or They kind of connect they don’t connect

If you’re gonna tell me a story, tell me the story that connects to actual main line story

[covert stone]

The problem with this comparison is that League doesn't have a story. Each individual character has lore that only lightly ties into other champions. Destiny, on the other hand, is heavily narrative focused and has far more content to pull from to create a coherent story

[heady monolith]

it was fine until riot tried making arcane canonical to league's lore, and it kinda shows with season two

[trim grotto]

It was described by a dev as a separate universe. The degree of separation between Rising and prime is huge, far greater than any timeline variance we've ever seen before.

Unless something from Rising is officially recognised in the prime universe, it is essentially irrelevant to the lore of the prime universe.

[versed orbit]

Dark age show would be cool

Or like a love death robots type show of different one off stories

[thorny scarab]

Yo

What’s the deal with that portal in vespers

[thorny scarab]

I feel like that would work best for a destiny show

Individual stories, maybe some pulled from the games lore

[dim minnow]

the anomaly?

[thorny scarab]

YeH

I thought it was vex

But apparently not?

So like
What even is it

Where did it come from

[thorny scarab]

Is it like, still hanging in Europa orbit?

[thorny scarab]

Swell.

[dim minnow]

to actually answer your questions best I can

[dim minnow]

chances are the anomaly itself somewhat ties to the Vex since Vesper Station was where experments regarding Vex were held

[dim minnow]

it was built by the corruption that possessed the Puppeteer

[thorny scarab]

They chose to do experiments relating to an alien race, on a space station 😐

“Are they stupid?”

[dim minnow]

yes, Vesper Central (or Astraea) is keeping an eye on it

[dim minnow]

no, just malicious

[thorny scarab]

So
The anomaly was like a corrupting spirit
It then corrupted Atraks (who got there somehow)
And then atraks built that wicked portal

[dim minnow]

you see, Clovis purposefully left Vesper Central's capabilities neutered so he can have the station crash into Europa so no evidence of what he was doing there got out

[thorny scarab]

Ah, of course

[dim minnow]

during the events of the DSC raid, the Morningstar crashed into Vesper Station

it is why the station is damaged

and it is likely how the Atraks body the corruption possessed got there

though it also raises an interesting question

[thorny scarab]

Ah
So it’s our fault

[dim minnow]

did the corruption originated from Vesper station or from the Morningstar?

[dim minnow]

techically it would be Taniks'

[thorny scarab]

Also, doesn’t the lore tab of the Vesper sparrow suggest there was still live people on the station when the Morningstar crashed into it?

[dim minnow]

he's the one who sent the Morningstar on a collision course

[thorny scarab]

List of things that are Taniks’ fault:
[ATTACHED DOCUMENT TOO BIG TO DOWNLOAD]

At least that’s how I’m increasingly beginning to see it

[thorny scarab]

That’s interesting
On one hand, Vesper has a lot to do with the vex apparently, and it’s possible they become a bigger presence as the lore goes on. It also opens up the possibility that the portal leads to another dimension, maybe the one where the vex originally came from?

But on the other didn’t the Morningnstar have a lot of darkness influence or corruption on it?

[dim minnow]

well, there's no indication of it

closest there is would tbe Clarity Control, but that's not even on the station

so the corruption coming from Vesper Station is most likely

[thorny scarab]

Hmmmm interesting

But also like again
The Vesper Host sparrow lore

I’m still a little confused what it’s supposed to indicate

[dim minnow]

this seems to be from a previous time

hmmm

[thorny scarab]

Wdym?

[dim minnow]

from the Golden Age

[thorny scarab]

So like
This station had something crash into it before
And like
Nothing changed?

[dim minnow]

could be where the Vex cubes come from

[dim minnow]

1. if it was during the Golden Age, it probably got repaired
2. Only the station's solar catchers were hit
3. It was meteor fragments that hit it

[thorny scarab]

Vex cubes?

[dim minnow]

yeah, the ones you see at the start when you first enter the station

[thorny scarab]

Ah gotcha

[dim minnow]

and one of them is missing

[thorny scarab]

Wait like
Do you mean before or after the first encounter

[dim minnow]

before

[thorny scarab]

Yeah my mind is blanking rn 😭
I don’t remember seeing any of those
I thought I did

[dim minnow]

there's a containment room that you walk around

it has some containers holding these Vex cube looking things

[thorny scarab]

I feel like meteor fragments, of any particularly big size or scale, hitting a space station, would be very very catastrophic

[dim minnow]

however one of them is missing

[thorny scarab]

OH THAT PLACE

[dim minnow]

keep in mind that Vesper Station is a big space station

and the meteor fragments were likely not that big

[thorny scarab]

I’ll do a look next time I play

[dim minnow]

and it hit a spot that was pretty out of the way

[dim minnow]

not that there's corruption in the containment implying that said corruption is behind it

[thorny scarab]

It was enough of a problem to absolutely shit the pants of the guy in the lore entry tho right?
Like from what I remember it sounded like a big problem

[dim minnow]

because they almost hit him

[thorny scarab]

And also why would they include a lore entry about some small asteroids hitting the space station like a long time ago

[thorny scarab]

I suppose that’s fair

[dim minnow]

maybe that was how they got the cubes

seriously, no one has ever mentioned the cubes

[flat jolt]

I remember in lore Guardians like Ikora can spam supers and even change subclass just like that. And they should have no 1 exotic restrictions. But so far we haven’t seen anyone wearing more than 1 exotic right? I haven’t been playing for long so I’m not sure if Felwinter was wearing his helm + his winter guile gauntlets

[trim grotto]

Exotics are mostly just a gameplay thing. Also, Ikora is centuries old and one of the most powerful Guardians to have existed.

Not that we aren't strong, but she's got a bit more experience under her belt.

[sick yew]

Theres only a handful of exotic armor pieces that canonically actually do something

Frostees come to mind iirc

Hazardous Propulsion would be another

[blazing wasp]

Felwinters gloves likely did not make him temporarily punch harder if he punched someone to death.

[sick yew]

Would be funny tho

[flat jolt]

So if we taking lore as a guide, is Rain of Fire Devrim Kays pants?

[trim grotto]

Probably, yes.

[sick yew]

Good old EDZ symbols

[thorny scarab]

Are all Echoes sentient?

Like Fikrul’s is apparently, does that mean Maya’s was too?
Also is Episode Heresy going to have to do with an echo at all?

[sick yew]

From what we can tell so far to some degree yes I think

Maya's spoke to her iirc

[thorny scarab]

So… that echo is like actually malicious?

Or what it wanted happened to align with Maya, and she’s evil

[sick yew]

Im not versed on their personality so to speak but I believe they simply seek someone who uses their power

Good or bad isnt a factor

[thorny scarab]

Ah

[sick yew]

Id reckon the Echo of uh whatever Fikruls is called is one that seeks a particularly worthy one

Since its unsatisfied with Fikrul and instead wants someone else

[thorny scarab]

Since it’s so powerful and so sentient and whatever

Why doesn’t it just, like, fly off his staff or whatever

And go find Variks Eido and Mithrax

[sick yew]

Well it isnt happy with who is currently using it but Fikrul is still a decent host you know

It yearns for something better but is willing to stay with Fikrul until that moment arises

Also its host still has to wish to use it

Eido, Variks and Mithrax (at least for the time being) wouldnt want to use the Echo

[thorny scarab]

Really?

[thorny scarab]

Bruh

The echo is really settling for the bottom of the barrel huh

[sick yew]

What good is a host that doesnt wish to use its power

Fikrul at least does that

[thorny scarab]

While we’re on the topic, any theories of what’s going to happen to the echo then? What we might try to do with that

[thorny scarab]

I mean I guess

But like if literally anyone other than fikrul wanted to use it I feel like it would leave in a heartbeat

[sick yew]

Fikrul isnt a bad host, the echo simply wants someone stronger

[thorny scarab]

Ah

[empty fern]

Fikrul little bad host

[thorny scarab]

Is that why it sang to us?

[empty fern]

Just a little

[thorny scarab]

Hello Nessus 100 The Egg Waifu

Nice to meet you

[empty fern]

Hello skibidi

[thorny scarab]

…

[empty fern]

[thorny scarab]

So like
Are we going to use the echo to destroy fikrul
Cure Mithrax
Who’s even going to use it

It better not be Eramis, she doesn’t deserve it

[empty fern]

Maybe eido? Hoping for a more wholesome culture of the eliksni ending

[thorny scarab]

Eido would probably be best

I’m gonna hold out hope for my man Variks tho

[empty fern]

Real

[sick yew]

Variks would never

Mans come around

[ember storm]

id argue its more in his application of the power

literally all he's done with it is kidnap eliksni and turn them, something he could just do by killing them and rezzing them normaly

in comparison, maya was rearranging the inside of nessus and working towards reshaping the entire solar system to her whims

[winter relic]

Would be cool if got to use the Echo, since it also sang to us. Imagine we use it to destroy Fikrul, and then store it at the tower/helm for research purposes

[thorny scarab]

I’m still hoping

But yeah it’s probably gonna choose Eido

And if it chooses Eramis I will actually uninstall Destiny

[trim grotto]

I am honestly expecting Eramis.

[ember storm]

I hope it’s Variks

Would be funny

TRUE KELL OF KELLS, YESSSSS?

[regal palm]

Am I the only one that kind of thinks Bungie is building up for Eido’s death in Act 3?

[dim minnow]

she's a vendor

a vendor that provides neccessary stuff like fieldworks, bounties, potion requests, and rank up rewards

no way in hell Bungie will do that

[regal palm]

I mean, yeah, but it’s also possible she could be replaced

[dim minnow]

only times Bungie killed off vendors were Cayde and Amanda

and with Cayde, Bungie just took out the stuff he provided

[regal palm]

I’m just saying, everything seems built up that Eido is either going to be harmed or killed in some way. The story is very much hinting that she is going to die

[regal palm]

And Rasputin

Which did change his model

[dim minnow]

with Amanda, Bungie shifted the stuff she provided to another vendor

the Exo Frame changed hands more than once

started with Clovis, then Rasputin, then nothing

the Exo Frame gives you leeway for that kind of stuff at least

[regal palm]

I’m just saying it’s not completely unlikely that they replace Eido with like Variks or something

[dim minnow]

since it's merely a frame

[dim minnow]

Variks is already handling Europa stuff

[regal palm]

And? Vendors exist in two places at once all over the story

[dim minnow]

and how would Variks exactly take over Eido's job reasonably?

[regal palm]

Eido is Variks’ apprentice

[dim minnow]

Eido is an apothecary at this point which ties into her purpose as a vendor

[dim minnow]

as a scribe, not as an apothecary

[ember storm]

Riven got replaced with a plate

[jagged badge]

Riven

Oh Waltz beat me to it

[ember storm]

You know what that means

🪲

[dim minnow]

Spirit of Riven at least had techeuns around

and magic fuckery

[trim grotto]

Well, I don't.

[trim grotto]

I haven't seen that myself.

[languid lava]

So what exactly is up with Mithrax's curse?

[dapper moss]

welp it has something to do with nezarec's finger which is corrupting him and making him extremely violent and all kinds of evil and whether it will literally turn him into nezarec or just kill him outright is pretty much unknown

that's the extent of my knowledge

[languid lava]

Ooo IC. Where do I find the stuff for this happening in the game? I assume after RoN?

[dapper moss]

ooh uh it started way before ron

he's been entangled with nezarec since way before we were in the picture

when he was a pirate lord or whatever and when he originally found the artifact

season of the plunder had a lot to do with it

[languid lava]

oooo IC. IG Ill check out the season of plunder vids then. Should be there then

Only started playing in echoes, so I dont really know too many things other than the general stuff of some seasons.

[dapper moss]

well it just had to do with mithrax's past and nezarec

we just learned most of that lore there

[ember storm]

It was the fact that he surrounded himself with all the pieces of nezarec and took upon all their darkness himself so Osiris wouldn’t suffer when he was woken up from his Savathun coma

Actually I made a handy image to explain it

[dapper moss]

yeah i'm not super well versed on the HOW i just know what it's doing

[ember storm]

This is basically how it went

[empty fern]

Make nezzy a strike boss

[dapper moss]

beautiful

[brittle dirge]

Mithrax also was one of the fallen to raid nezarec’s tomb so it is another reason

[ember storm]

It’s specifically because the ritual using all of the artifacts

It wouldn’t have happened with just the finger

[lost abyss]

Yeah, he had a relic for a long while before he got cursed.

[eager trout]

The fact this is the first thing I see when I come here

[lost abyss]

A surprise blessing

[tough kettle]

this is freaking true

[ruby pivot]

what are the things that people in destiny gave us?

like spider's ketch in season of the plunder

iirc he gave it to us after getting it back from eramis during the 1st mission right?

[dim minnow]

it wasn't him, it was his mother

who gave him one of Nezarec's fingers

[brittle dirge]

I always forget that part

[frigid sparrow]

pretty much any of the artifacts from their various sources. some of them were discovered by others and they allowed us to take them/get them, like the Paradrome Cube or Seed of Silver Wings, or they were outright given like the Wayfinder's Compass or Acolyte's Staff

[ruby pivot]

i wont lie i want to see zavala using stasis more

[frigid sparrow]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see him next episode. For one, we've been getting each of the vanguard members with Ikora in Echoes and Crow and Crow right now in Revenant. Second, it's quite possible we see a parallel in Zavala's wavering belief in the Traveler as an entity with whatever may happen with Xivu Arath in Heresy (Whether she doubles down on her belief in the sword logic as a coping mechanism for her severance from her throne world or if that severance eroded her faith in the sword logic)

[empty fern]

Zavalas embracing heresy, boom

Salad man will play a huge part of it, being his mentor

[frigid sparrow]

Caiatl gonna be eyeing the dreadnaught like it's free real estate

[empty fern]

Real

Gonna think there’s some torroblt remains inside

[frigid sparrow]

Heresy's story actually has nothing to do with us specifically taking down or defending against xivu arath it's just everyone fighting over the dreadnaught

vanguard wants it to make sure nobody else gets it
eris wants it for hive stuff
savathun wants it to spite her brother
spider wants it because he wants to sell it back at a 177% rate
xivu wants it because throne world space battleship (would be kinda raw if she somehow forced herself into regaining a throne world through some writing bullshit)
caiatl wants it to spite the hive and also huge ass space battleship means WAAR CABAAAAL HELL YEAAAH

[untold thorn]

Can guardians have children??

[empty fern]

Dunno, game hasn’t set it in stone yet,
So for now probably not

[untold thorn]

I thought Zavala had a child?

[dim minnow]

Hakim was adopted

his actual parents were killed by a Fallen attack

[errant tapir]

Heya guys

What's the deal with act 1 echoes?

Why did something crash to nessus?

And burned through its outer shell?

[sick yew]

After we blew up the Witness three artifacts escaped the pale heart

These were called Echoes by us

And one of them found its way into Nessus

[errant tapir]

Oooo how about the other 2?

I seem to recall the artifact scene

It's the ending with excision yes?

We watch traveller in a distance while she heals and something something radiation

So crow sends some teams to research that

[sick yew]

One of them is in Fikruls hands now which is the story of this episode

And the 3rd one we don't know yet but it's possible Xivu Arath gets it

[errant tapir]

Ooooo

What do they do?