📚lore-discussion

[dim minnow]

during Season of Arrivals, the Vanguard had to put their focus on preparing for the Pyramids and to evacuate their forces from Mars, Mercury, Io, and Titan which left the Black Armory forges largely unprotected by Guardian forces

as a result, the forges were ravaged and scrapped by our enemies

speaking of Arrivals, it still annoys me that no one talks about the dynamic between the exotic quest weapons from that season enough

[thorny scarab]

this story sounds amazing, I wish I could’ve been there to see it when it happened
Mael mentioned Lightbearers came and ended the original founders right?
Does that mean the lore tab for Izanagi’s is the final confrontation?

[thorny scarab]

I know one of them is a branch off of a really important tree

[dim minnow]

lorewise, it is stated that Ruinous Effigy actually drains your Guardian's Light
on the other hand, the Traveler's Chosen's trait is calld "gathering Light"

[trim grotto]

A different perspective of the events of...

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-the-black-armory-papers

This lore book

Specifically Entry 108

[dim minnow]

one of the founders was killed by an unidentified creature that attacked Niobe labs not long after the Collapse (or during it)
another blew herself up in order give the others a chance to escape
Meyrin as seen in the Izanagi lore tab sacrificed herself so Ada could get away

[thorny scarab]

Awww how nice

[dim minnow]

other members were either killed by said creature prior or were taken out by Risen

[thorny scarab]

Also unidentified creature?

[dim minnow]

well, given some info we have now, it just might be a Hive ogre

[thorny scarab]

I would be totally down to blame anything bad that happens in the lore on a hive ogre, or all of them to be specific

[slim girder]

It had an "earthy smell" to it. Honestly I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being a tormentor even.

Hive orge does seem like the most logical option though

[trim grotto]

Hive has been described to have a similar petrichor smell.

[dim minnow]

hence why we think it might be a Hive Ogre

[slim girder]

True.
Still it's fun to speculate sometimes. Like what if the dread were part of the collapse at some point but since we were too busy trying to escape we never noticed amongst the chaos.

[dim minnow]

I'm pretty sure the Dread were specifically made to fight us

not quite sure when Tormentors first came to be though

Nezarec is seen as the first one though

[slim girder]

Tormentors are imprints of nezarec so considering he was there during the collapse I think tormentors definitely could have been around at the time. Subjugators, the psion dread and grim probably not though.

I wonder if anything was derived from calus. Mara said that even calus was a part of the witness experiments so I wonder if something resembling him was created at some point.

[sick yew]

I mean its possible that the one being that was present around the black armory factory thingy wherey they took refuge during the collapse was a tormentor

[brittle dirge]

I mean tbf Devil splicers also didn’t have a Kell

Aksis was the archon

Not the Kell

[ember storm]

Tormentors are described as the result of Calus’ cloning tech

Also the black fleet never actually made it to earth

[brittle dirge]

Aren’t all hive related?

I mean just asking because they all came from the three sisters

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Did they?

[brittle dirge]

I assumed

I mean hive are the least knowledgeable of my destiny subjects despite how they’re related to 2/4 of the other main factions

(Cabal and fallen)

[dim minnow]

not all are related

[ember storm]

No

[dim minnow]

when the three sisters became the first Hive, the returned to their people and forced them to convert to Hive as well

those who refused were killed off

[ember storm]

Only the hidden swarm and blood of oryx are all directly described to be the descendants of their relevant gods

Savathun literally only had 2 children who both died without any offspring

Her brood is just a bunch of random guys

[brittle dirge]

Dul incaru is still alive

[ember storm]

And yet forever dead

[brittle dirge]

She comes back every week

[ember storm]

Because as long as the curse goes on she will be dead

[ember storm]

6 weeks

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Mb

[ember storm]

I did the math a year ago or so and found we’ve killed her about at least 70 times

[brittle dirge]

We really love her according to sword logic

[ember storm]

Either way she never had kids

And Malok definitely sure as hell didn’t

[ember storm]

No not specifically

Challenging your family is just a way to express your love because you want to sharpen your blade with theirs

Murder is still just actual murder

[jagged badge]

Isn’t it a three week loop?

[brittle dirge]

That’s what I thought

There’s only 3 locations in the dreaming city Petra can move to

[ember storm]

Oh yeah three weeks

Either way

No kids

The blood of oryx and hidden swarm are the only brood directly related to their relevant gods

[jagged badge]

I wonder if the Young Wolf still deals with Dul Incaru or if we delegate it off to others

[ember storm]

Blood of oryx because duh and hidden swarm because Omnigul “raised Crota an army”

[jagged badge]

I’d be sick of killing the same person for years tbh

[ember storm]

I feel very sorry for Crota

[jagged badge]

Young Wolf checking their calendar and is just like “oh for fuck’s sake it’s that time again”

[ember storm]

Performing your marriage vows and your partner sounds like that

[brittle dirge]

Well saying hidden swarm took the spawn of Crota into their ranks yeah

[ember storm]

Hidden swarm is the spawn of Crota

They’re the red hive from D1

[brittle dirge]

Exactly my point

I worded it weirdly

[ember storm]

They didn’t take them into their ranks

They’re literally his bloodline

They are the army Omnigul raised

[brittle dirge]

I doubt we do it still

We have more taxing issues than dealing with her

[brittle dirge]

I mean, I don’t get your point

She sounds about the same as other hive, being screechy is hive norm

[ember storm]

She is referenced in universe to have a worse voice than other hive

Because she screams

Characters recognize her just by the shriek

There is a specific difference in the noises other wizards make and Omnigul makes

[brittle dirge]

Well if Crota put up with it isn’t that a commitment of love? (At least by our terms not sword logic)

[ember storm]

I was just making a joke about that part

But also there’s probably a reason Crota sent Omnigul to earth first while he napped for like a thousand years

[brittle dirge]

Well saying Crota has children and grandchildren he must’ve been fine with it

[ember storm]

Not specifically

Hive lay enough eggs at a time to make broods

[raven idol]

does anyone know of a youtube video to explain the lore of all the vaulted expansions in destiny

[blazing wasp]

We have one relegated to one video in fact

And more

Hangon

[raven idol]

i feel like im missing out, i have no idea who cayde and crow are

[blazing wasp]

https://youtu.be/zzBmOeYmN_M?si=rJTPPP-nyGD7xgID

[raven idol]

tyy

[blazing wasp]

Cayde was the old hunter vanguard, very little lore significance, he was just a cool dude we liked

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Cayde was the Hunter Vanguard. Like Zavala is the Titan Vanguard and Ikora is the Warlock Vanguard. He was notoriously lax about his responsibilities, and he met his fate in Forsaken on an op alongside us, the Guardian

[brittle dirge]

Crow, the now resurrected guardian version of uldren sov, brother of mara sov, queen of the awoken (blue guys)

Cayde, previous hunter vanguard, killed by uldren sov

[jagged badge]

Crow is closely linked to Cayde’s fate. Uldren Sov was the man who killed Cayde, and after we killed Uldren in revenge, a Ghost resurrected Uldren as a Guardian. As Lightbearers don’t remember their pasts, Crow developed into his own person (though he was persecuted for his past life’s acts)

[raven idol]

oh hes resurrected

im gonna wait to find out how that happens

[brittle dirge]

Yeah

[blazing wasp]

Every single guardian is

[raven idol]

okay now im just asking for spoilers imma just..

[jagged badge]

Crow’s backstory was pretty much wholly told in seasonal content. We first met him in Season of the Hunt during Beyond Light’s year

[raven idol]

[blazing wasp]

This is explained immediately I D1 tbf

[jagged badge]

So the campaigns won’t really fill you in on him

[raven idol]

im guessing seasonal content cannot be revisited at all?

[brittle dirge]

Most of the lore with Cayde’s fate and uldren sov in tied in with forsaken (the expansion where Cayde died) and crow was resurrected before season of the hunt

[jagged badge]

Yeah. The game would be far too large if every expansion’s seasons remained in the game

[blazing wasp]

Crow was revived prior to hunt

[jagged badge]

So they’re vaulted at the end of their expansion’s year

[brittle dirge]

Oh right mb

[raven idol]

wait seasons last an entire year?

[brittle dirge]

No

[raven idol]

or like 3 months but all the ones from the year are vaulted

[brittle dirge]

There WERE 4 a year

And they last until next expansion which is a year

[jagged badge]

Seasons/episodes last for the duration of their connected expansion

[brittle dirge]

Sometimes, there are examples like witch queen where they are delayed

Not to say this is why content shouldn’t be vaulted but this is saying content shouldn’t be vaulted

[raven idol]

thank skibidi for lore nerds i was so lost

[brittle dirge]

Because now new players have to play catch up

[raven idol]

yeah felt

lool

[jagged badge]

It’s unavoidable, unfortunately

[raven idol]

i just finished shadowkeep and bought legacy

onwards to europa

!!!

[jagged badge]

And yeah it does make it difficult and daunting for new people to get into

[brittle dirge]

Prepare for my favorite expansion

It’s peak

[jagged badge]

But we’re happy to help you understand it better

[raven idol]

much obliged

[brittle dirge]

By the way new guy if you ever feel like learning some dungeons and raids after your campaign grind I’m here

[raven idol]

awesome sauce

thanks

[brittle dirge]

Yeah np

[brittle dirge]

Atraks vs Aksis who wins

[blazing wasp]

No, not really

[brittle dirge]

What

What does that mean

[ember storm]

Powerscaling is kind of dumb

[blazing wasp]

Unable to be feasibly applied unless the fictional universe in question has extremely simple "power" to measure

Like dbz

[ember storm]

Like how do you even set up the fight

Is it held in the siva compound where Aksis controls the systems? The morning star? Does Atraks get the raw power of the atom bomb?

Do they just fistfight until one of them blows up

[brittle dirge]

They can’t fist fight if Atraks gets clone powers

Then that’s an easy dub

I’m more seeing it compared by how powerful their wipe mechanics are to decide their raw power

[ember storm]

I mean

[brittle dirge]

Is SIVA DENSITY CRITICAL or Extinction Protocol stronger?

[ember storm]

Siva density critical is literally just all the siva in the area tearing you to shreds

Extinction protocol is literally the nuclear detonation of the morning star whilst plummeting into the surface of Europa

[blazing wasp]

We have no real way to compare the two as they both immediately kill us

[ember storm]

Neither of the two are the direct result of either individual

[blazing wasp]

We don't know how strong the nukes are

[ember storm]

It’s just technology they have access to

They can’t use it in a 1v1 successfully at all

[brittle dirge]

No

Atraks activates Extinction Protocol

Dps is that

[blazing wasp]

That doesn't mean she's the nukes

It's third party tech

[ember storm]

Yes she’s actually multiple nuclear bombs in a trenchcoat

You figured it out

[brittle dirge]

https://youtu.be/t26VByjylkc

1:16

[ember storm]

1, esoterrick video

2, she’s just using the morning star’s systems

It’s protocol that Clovis designed way back when

[brittle dirge]

Do we have proof for this

[ember storm]

That’s literally the designed purpose of the morning star system

[brittle dirge]

Mainly just to show the chat saying extinction protocol activated and dps

[ember storm]

If the DSC is compromised Clovis’ plan was to arm the station with nukes and slam it into Europa, destroying it in its entirely

Guess what Atraks is carrying in the encounter

[brittle dirge]

[Post Atraks-1]

“Multiple hostile intruders detected within the orbital platform. Orbital confinement protocol initiated. Status: halfway to nuclear core is obscured. You have no warnings left. Nuclear descent protocol initiated.”

It says nuclear descent protocol

[brittle dirge]

A shock rifle?

[ember storm]

Nuclear descent is the part where the morning star actually descends

[brittle dirge]

Exactly

[ember storm]

Extinction protocol is the extinction of all life in the station so the ai can enact the descent without contest

That’s the whole point of his annoyed speech in the spacewalk

[brittle dirge]

[Post Crypt Security, Crypt AI from now on]

“Crypt power systems compromised, initiating emergency back up system. Crypt status: active. Orbital status: standby. Humanoid lifeforms detected, approaching Clarity Control. Exo lifeforms present, welcome home. Threat determined, crypt compromised. Nuclear descent protocol recommended.”

He never states exaction protocol

[ember storm]

He’s upset about being unable to kill everyone on the station beforehand like he wants

[brittle dirge]

He always says nuclear descent

[ember storm]

Extinction protocol is the lead in

It’s not Atraks having special powers

It’s just basic systems of the station

She can’t just do that whenever she wants

[brittle dirge]

She litteraly pops it after waiting to long

If you don’t kill the servitors

[ember storm]

Because she’s in the station accessing its systems

The servitors are hooked up to the station

That’s the entire point

[brittle dirge]

The only time she used a systems functions is clean sweep protocol with VH where she caused the burn with the nuke

I don’t understand your logic

It is never stated that extinction protocol is a system of the morning star unlike SIVA density critical which is aksis using his SIVA controlling powers to weave it to kill us

Besides upon failing to kill a clone by leaving it in the air ducts or refreshing it by shooting she causes a wipe that moment with a clone and it’s said to be replicated ruin on the death bar

In fact basic extinction protocol is labeled replicated ruin

Why would it be called that if it was a thing made by the morning star

[ember storm]

Why would her own special power be labeled a “protocol”

I don’t believe it’s a big leap of logic to assume the two things that take place explicitly in the morning star station labeled as protocols are in fact protocols of the station itself, given everything about the raid happens due to the bray tech inside the facilities

Atraks only exists because they raided exoscience

[brittle dirge]

Atraks only exists because praksis made her body

Compare these two aren’t they similar?

[ember storm]

Where’s it stated that praksis was involved?

He was already dead by the time Atraks was still a normal Eliksni

[brittle dirge]

According to mask of braksis it’s implied he foresaw the exo fallen operation

[jagged badge]

But his technological expertise probably helped a lot of their plans regarding becoming Exo

And yeah, Praksis was aware of or at least predicted how DER works and devised their response to dealing with it

[frigid sparrow]

Yeah, but y'know what they did have! Aura

[earnest scarab]

The more I read about Aunor, the more absolutely love her.

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2gay-kiss-gif-27172921

So was Mithrax in the room for this

I need to know before I do something

[lost abyss]

I like to imagine he immediately fell unconscious on the floor during this

The tea of Nezarec was laced

[ember storm]

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[ember storm]

i hate you

[lost abyss]

Misraaks and his curse friend are the best 3rd and 4th wheels a couple could ask for

The nightmares are perfect for Halloween parties

[blazing wasp]

:D

[dim minnow]

Eramis saw value in that little Dreg she met in the PoE

there's a reason he became a part of her High Council despite not being someone she knew previously during her Devils days

I wonder if she will have any dialogue about him in act 2

given what we know about act 2 so far

speaking of which, that emblem they are giving tomorrow in the reveal stream is sick

I might not use it, but I just might make a twitch account just for it

[brittle dirge]

The most praksis has been spoken about by her post beyond light is her speaking of his scornification on seraph station

[dim minnow]

we do at least have some lore on him and Eramis from "The Once-Shipstealer"

[brittle dirge]

I realize I forgot to write post beyond light

[dim minnow]

since it seems like PoE will be coming back in Act 2 and Eramis is involved in Revenant, there is a chance she will talk about Praksis directly

would like to hear her talk about her friends

[brittle dirge]

Perhaps we would speak about variks or the mad warden

[dim minnow]

yeah, a lot of this shit does actually tie back to Variks

due to the Prison riot Variks caused, several dangerous prisoners escaped including:
Siviks
Fikrul and the Scorn Barons
a mad Uldren Sov
Eramis

so the events of Forsaken, Black Armory, and Beyond Light (among other things) are Variks' fault

however, Variks only left the PoE because he snapped

he was working tirelessly to try and cure Uldren and Fikrul's respective conditions

and he was forced to pretty much do it all by himself

and guess who's to blame for that

[jagged badge]

I couldn’t possibly guess based on context of knowing you and knowing this lore

[brittle dirge]

The funniest part is Eramis was the one who benefited the most from these events due to siviks’ crime gang being forced into house salvation and her even converting house devils to house salvation

Fikrul got hunted down and his barons got destroyed

Uldren died

Eramis survived for much longer and is still alive (technically so is fikrul but he’s fucked off for a while now from us and Eramis has been our semi ally at times)

She’s won

[dim minnow]

yeah sure bud, she's won...

Siviks was kinda stupid though, will agree he lost hard

but Fikrul is making one hell of a comeback

pulls up to the HELM Echo in his hand and just wrecks the place

then goes back to his takeover plan

realizes that his father is dead to him and is now focused on getting his revenge on us

meanwhile Eramis takes L after L

[abstract pagoda]

Isn't she getting therapy?

[dim minnow]

Vanguard-sanctioned therapy for prisoners

[brittle dirge]

She was taking W’s

I mean Atraks seems to be utterly taking W’s

[dim minnow]

no, she wasn't

[dim minnow]

she wasn't either

the Corrupted Puppeteer ain't even her techicaly

[brittle dirge]

Being the first fallen exo is an achievement… despite tearing your face off

[dim minnow]

then she got knocked off and then possessed by whatever that corruption was

[brittle dirge]

I mean yeah

[dim minnow]

probably wasn't even Exo for a week before tht happened

[brittle dirge]

But like isn’t that a W for the white captain or whatever has her in a chokehold

[dim minnow]

and no, she was not taking ANY sort of W

had to say that again because I cannot stress enough how hard she was losing

[brittle dirge]

Made her own house technically

[dim minnow]

hell she had it worse than Siviks

at least Siviks was just killed and that was it

his syndicate dissolved

or was assimilated

[brittle dirge]

You think they’re ever gonna make a scorn siviks

I feel like it’d be fitting to mock the spider in this episode

[dim minnow]

Eramis on the other hand had to keep on failing and seeing more of her House get turned into Scorn

[dim minnow]

Spider would just say "Skira's anus, he's back again, Guardian go kill that useless fuck again"

[brittle dirge]

I feel like it’d piss him off again he HATES him

[dim minnow]

yeah but not that much

as a Scorn he'd be a far cry from who he once was

[brittle dirge]

Any scorn is

They’re a shell of what was

[brittle dirge]

Speaking of skira

Was it even real?

[dim minnow]

eh

[brittle dirge]

I’ve always assumed it’s a falsity, a legend much like arcuis

[dim minnow]

Acrius was probably real though

he was stated to be the first Cabal Emperor

[brittle dirge]

Yes but I always doubt legends of the destiny universe unless confirmed

[dim minnow]

it's jsut that the legend of him slaying that beast had some lesser known info on it

[brittle dirge]

Have we ever seen hive and vex interact

I feel like we’ve seen all interactions besides that

[dim minnow]

yeah, they hate each other

we have decent lore on their history

[covert stone]

Vex being non-living goop milk is basically an antithesis to Hive sword logic so y'know...

[brittle dirge]

Cabal/fallen - friendly (light) not friendly (dark)
Cabal/hive - not friendly(always)
Fallen/hive(mindbender) - friendly(he had a hive wife like wow)
Fallen/vex - not friendly(always)

I’m too lazy to write the rest

[dim minnow]

hold on, lemme provide a more detailed one

[ember storm]

Ironically they’re the best possible manifestation of hive sword logic

They systematically replicated their entire power system and strong armed a bunch of worms into giving themselves an advantage when invading oryx’s thorn world, even

[brittle dirge]

Speaking of this how would this work

They’re different species and they both lack lips they can’t kiss

But also I doubt alien species show love by hugs and kisses

[dim minnow]

Sol Collective / anyone else - Enemies
Sol Collective / Sol Divisive - Enemies
Sol Collective / Nessian Schism - Enemies
Sol Collective / other Vex collectives - Allies
Any Vex collective / everyone else - Enemies

Savathun's Brood / Xivu's Brood - Enemies
Savathun's Brood / Hidden Swarm (pre-Shadowkeep) - Allies
Xivu's Brood / Hidden Swarm (now) - Allies
Any Hive Brood / everyone else - enemies

Cabal Empire / House of Light - Allies
Cabal Empire / Humanity - Allies
Cabal Empire / Shadow Legion - Enemies
Cabal Empire / Red Legion remnants - depends
Shadow Legion / Red Legion remnants - depends
Shadow Legion / Dread - Allies

House of Light / Humanity - Allies
House of Light / House of Salvation (pre-Revenant) - Enemies
House of Light / House of Salvation (now) - sort of Allies
House of Salvation / House of Dusk - Allies
House of Light / House of Dusk - depends but seems to lean on Enemies more

Fikrul's Scorn / any Fallen House - Enemies
Fikrul's Scorn / Witness Scorn - Enemies
Fikrul's Scorn / Shadow Legion - Allies
Scorn in general / everyone else - Enemies

Taken / Humanity and allies - Enemies
Taken / Dread - not much is known but likely Allies
Taken / Everyone else - depends largely on who is controlling them

additional notes:
Any Witness-aligned force were allies, but now that the Witness is dead, that likely changed.

I have it separated by focused faction

[brittle dirge]

Holy fuck

[dim minnow]

I wish Scorn had official names for their sub-factions

Fallen have houses and syndicates with their own names, Hive have broods with their own names, Cabal have legions with their own names, Ves have subcollectives with their own names

the Taken haven't even had an alternate sub-faction design until TFS

[brittle dirge]

They’ve had vague names sometimes that’s all

Fallen houses are very distinct like house of exile

Bright green

[gentle pendant]

What in the travellers name is this

[dim minnow]

a list of relationships between specific subfactions

[gentle pendant]

Good lord

[dim minnow]

maybe I should include another section saying that Vex collectives tend to be allied

excluding, of course, SD and NS

[gentle pendant]

Truly a lore moment

[thorny scarab]

Ok so I totally forgot what the one spaceship is called

The one released with final shape I think

And it has this super vague lore entry and stuff

What’s that all about?

[slim girder]

The first knife?
Nacre?

[thorny scarab]

YEAH
NACRE

I think

[slim girder]

If you're wondering what it's about it's a message from the winnower.

That's the one who is speaking

[brittle dirge]

Is that tribbit?!?!

[gentle pendant]

Cameo of the century?

[hollow hinge]

Well they were all kind of controlled by one will, no?

Some of the Witness' pawns have had control sure, but ultimately they were all under his true control, right?

[dim minnow]

The Taken in Warlord's Ruin were under Hefnd's influence

And Riven also had sway over some Taken for a while

[ember storm]

Nope

Just the taken already in the solar system at specific times

Savathun had always had Quria under her belt every since oryx gave it to her

Taken essentially scattered when Oryx died, basically just staying where they were left

Malok managed to rally some but there’s no “this is the only thing controlling taken at once time” principle

[brittle dirge]

Some leaders of taken:

the three sisters (oryx, Xivu, Savathûn, by proxy of Quira)
Riven (could also extend to Savathûn)
Malok
Witness (and all witness allies)
The nine (technically)

[empty fern]

Isn’t malok an extension of oryx then?

Even if he was against him

[dim minnow]

At this point in the story, Oryx was dead

So Malok was probably acting on his own

[tawdry wigeon]

Hey, where did we see the first pyramid ships? On io?

[trim grotto]

We saw some in visions. We saw the first physical one in Shadowkeep under the surface of the Moon.

[tawdry wigeon]

Also nessus doesnt have any ships right?

[trim grotto]

There were no Pyramid ships on Nessus

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohh that was the first one okay thank you. That was nezarecs right? I feel like im confusing the lore a bit

[tawdry wigeon]

Is there a reason for it or its just a no

[trim grotto]

It was, though we didn't know that until years later in Season of the Haunted

[trim grotto]

Wasn't valuable or relevant to us or the Witness

[tawdry wigeon]

I see, when did we learn about the disciples?

[tawdry wigeon]

How was titan io or europa valuable then?

[trim grotto]

Witch Queen, initially. We learned of Rhulk.

[trim grotto]

Bear with me I'm busy

Titan because it scoured the past to try and find the Veil
Mercury for the Infinite Forest
Io because of the Tree of Silver Wings and the latent power of the Traveler within the half terraformed rock

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh yea dw its all good

[tawdry wigeon]

I see okay okay

[dim minnow]

Isn't the first one actually meant for Mars?

Since Mars has the time rifts?

For Titan, I'm not entirely sure about. Could be related to either the Hive or Ahsa

[trim grotto]

The Witness did scour Titan's timeline

[dim minnow]

I do think the Pyramidion was also an object of interest from Io

[trim grotto]

Yes, it was

[dim minnow]

There weren't time rifts though

Hmmm

[trim grotto]

There was

But we didn't see them

Sloane did

Mars was pulled out before the Witness was finished
Titan was completed

[frigid sparrow]

finally getting to the livestream after being at work all day,
"the dread being led by some taken forces" huh

like obviously the new story stuff isn't out there but, one, the taken already barely have established "leadership" within actual taken ranks, and two, the dread are being used as weapons by the shadow legion? is this just some misspeak or is it gonna be something actually tangible to the story

[trim grotto]

Don't ask me
I'm still at work, I'm not even home for another 4 hours

Haven't seen it

[slim girder]

It's not clear yet but there's definitely something going on within the leadership of the enemy factions. It's very possible a powerful taken could have assumed control as other taken and even dread will just follow the most powerful being they see.

[frigid sparrow]

later in the stream they mentioned sylok as being a commandeer of the dread considering his "model prisoner" role

[slim girder]

So far we know of yirix, xivu arath is still moving around mortal but some taken still bear her mark as we saw in season of the wish. And the dread seem to just be following whoever offers them purpose.

[slim girder]

That'd make sense. They're in the prison so naturally there would be "top dogs" over the other prisoners.

[frigid sparrow]

how much free will have we seen a particular taken with

like in old lake of shadows I believe it was kind of a wonder that the taken there was seen as a "leader" since they tend to follow, not give orders

[slim girder]

I believe malok was still given a good amount of will. He still served oryx obviously without fault though.

Who knows though maybe the taken are changing now and since we've gotten rid of the beings that would usually control them they've begun to start trying to lead themselves in order to survive and carry out the wishes of their maker.

[surreal junco]

need to ask a question to all the lore-goers

whyre the taken in the pale heart orange

[ember storm]

Something something primeval resonance black fleet stuff

[frigid sparrow]

just sorta signifies their direct influence under the witness. sorta like cod zombies eye colors, I'd imagine

[frozen pawn]

I wonder what will happen if Nokris successfully revive Oryx in the Ghost of the Depth dungeon?

Knowing that Oryx despite necromancy

[slim girder]

Nokris is dead

[empty fern]

Just watch any horror flick where the mad scientist dies from their creation

[empty fern]

Now Nocru is alive
Kinda

[mortal shell]

Would have to use a time machine because I barely see that archetype in horror movies.

[slim girder]

From horror movies I've watched the mad scientist just waddles off while the creation goes ham on everyone.

[sick yew]

Yeah he tends to do that

And then returns cause yk necromancy

[slim girder]

What even is nokris doing now?

[sick yew]

No clue

[slim girder]

Last I remembered we truly killed him during arrivals.

[sick yew]

Idk if we truly killed him there

But yeah bro kinda got baited by Savathun

[slim girder]

I know that part

[ember storm]

He was a necromancer, not a lich

He didn’t have a throne world

His “death” in the strike was actually secretly a ritual to break into the ascendant plane sorta like how Toland did, but a lot more successfully

He used a piece of Xol’s corpse as a catalyst

[fair matrix]

what's the story behind Vesper's Host? (I haven't a clue why we're there or what we're doing)

[dim minnow]

Spider sent an associate of his to investigate a derelict space station for salvage. However, something happened to her which tells him that something is there that he needs specalists to deal with, so he calls us to investigate what is going on. So, we go there and find House Salvation there along with a strange corruption.

After entering Vesper Station and avoiding some traps, we see the anomaly off in the distance. After restoring power to the stasion's central AI, we move on further until we are ambushed by a Servitor made up of several other smaller servitors, which we avoid and then destroy.

We then encounter strange, orange arc energy while on our way to the center of the corruption that has overtaken the station, which is The Corrupted Puppeteer, a possessed Exo frame that once belonged to Atraks-1, the first Fallen Exo

[fair matrix]

thank you good sir

[dim minnow]

there is also some post-dungeon stuff tied to the rogue network quest

[fair matrix]

ooh, more lore?

[dim minnow]

So throughout the Rogue Network quest, we unlock more access to hidden Vesper Station logs where we learn that Vesper Station was made to house Clovis' more... secretive experiments. One of which was an ai made from Vex tech meant to help Clovis infiltrate the Vex Network.

[sweet locust]

Sorry for being slow but I have to ask

Is cuirass of the falling star a cabal armor piece?

[dim minnow]

We also find out that Clovis basically neutered Vesper Central's ability to access defense systems and such so she couldn't protect the station's crew. Not only that, but Clovis planned on having Vesper Station crash into Europa to hide any evidence of what went on there. He also kept the existence of Vesper Central's sister AIs from her.

In the end, we manage to fully release Vesper Central's restrictions and restore her back to her full self, Astra. She then proceeds to lock Spider and his men out while thanking us while Spider is pissed because we ruined things for him.

As for what the Fallen are doing there

[dim minnow]

Don't think so

So, quick note, during the Deep Stone Crypt raid, the Morning Star, the space station that crashed into Europa during the raid, did collide with Vesper Station during its descent.

As a result, the surviving copy of Atraks-1, Fallen Exo, ended up there.

Now then, I don't know exactly when this happens, but it might have been after the Morningstar hit Vesper. So a group of House Salvation refugees steal a Ketch and leave Riis Reborn because Eramis was a shitty Kell. They decide to make a new life for themselves on what they believed to be an abandoned station in Europa's orbit.

As it turns out, some unidentified corruption possessed Atraks-1's body and was using it to assimilate the minds of all other Fallen that settled on the station.

Then The Corrupted Pupetteer used the assimilated Fallen to build the Anomaly where it would send a message through.

@fair matrix that's pretty much the summary of Vesper's Host lore

The armor pieces have lore that goes a little more in depth on the Fallen side of things.

[devout nimbus]

That's actually pretty cool

And new AI let's go

[dim minnow]

I wonder if she will meet the Soteria fragment on Neomuna

[devout nimbus]

Maybe if bungie decides to tie up any of the other 50 loose ends

I hope so cause Soteria is my favourite d2 AI

[dim minnow]

the Episodes seem to be tying up the main stuff

Echoes was likely supposed to tie up any stuff with Failsafe as well as some Saint and Osiris stuff

also tie up Ishtar stuff while setting The Conductor up for a future plot

Revenant is supposed to tie up the Kell of Kells plot line and we will likely see a conclusion to Fikrul and Eramis' stories here

Mithrax possibly too

hmmm

I wonder if Mithrax will turn into a Nezarec-werewolf thing and fight Fikrul

[devout nimbus]

They'll finally finish with Eramis

[dim minnow]

like a classic Vampire vs Werewolf fight

[devout nimbus]

A what

[dim minnow]

I'm just thinking

Fikrul/Scorn are meant to resemble Vampires a bit

at least Revenant Scorn are

since they're "undead" in Eliksni terms

[devout nimbus]

I guess that maybe makes sense

[dim minnow]

while Mithrax is afflicted with a sickness that takes a toll on his body

it makes me wonder if he will crash out and possibly transform

[devout nimbus]

If only we could kill Fikrul with a stake to kill all scorn

[dim minnow]

there is a cryo-pod in the Last City jail room

I wonder who will be put in there

[devout nimbus]

Didn't even know that

[dim minnow]

the Curse of Nezarec

it's killing him and giving him evil Dementia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFKh4iL5Nqs

basically this clip

like one second he's commending us, then the next he's all like "no, they are false friends, they must all die" or something like that

[devout nimbus]

Lmao

Lore accurate clip

[dim minnow]

but I wonder if this curse will reach a point where he transforms

like a werewolf

[devout nimbus]

Put him in the cryo pod

Why haven't we already

[dim minnow]

would be a great way to give us a werewolf vs vampire fight between him and Fikrul

[dim minnow]

because Eido is trying to make a cure for him

which is why we're helping her find the old Apothecary

however, this apothecary has been captured by Fikrul

[devout nimbus]

Ah that's what all the tonic stuff is for

[dim minnow]

so maybe that's why we're going to the PoE next week

[dim minnow]

unfortunately, a lot of the dialogue for the fieldworks can't be heard by a lot of players due to a bug so most players probably don't even know that

[devout nimbus]

Path of exile

[dim minnow]

Prison of Elders

[devout nimbus]

Ah right

[devout nimbus]

Yeah it's annoying

Can't we just raid the apothecary

[dim minnow]

like raid as in... jump her?

[devout nimbus]

Raid the old apothecary

Take it from Fikrul

[dim minnow]

her

the Apothecary is a person

she is one of the last remaining Eliksni who witnessed the WHirlwind

[devout nimbus]

Oh a person

Thought she was a place

[dim minnow]

Apothecary refers to one who makes tonics

hence why Eido is now referred to as "Apothecary Eido"

[devout nimbus]

I see

So why don't we capture the apothecary and attempt to free her from Fikrul's influence

[dim minnow]

we tried to find her, but Fikrul got her first

so now we need to find where she is

we don't know how she's doing right now

could be already dead

could be already a Revenant Scorn

who knows

what I wonder is, if Fikrul is keeping her alive and un-scorned, then why

what purpose does she have?

at least what purpose to him

while she is an expert at making tonics, I don't see what Fikrul would want with them

maybe, he doesn;t care about the tonics

maybe, he knows we're after her, and he knows why we're after her, and he knows what we stand to lose if we can't find her

and he knows that while killing her would cause us to lose valuable knowledge, maybe he also figures he can use her as bait

[devout nimbus]

Ah right

I'm sure the guardian can take him

[dim minnow]

Fikrul's been preparing for this, he's made it clear he wants revenge on us specifically

he knows we've beaten him before, multiple times assuming we've canonically ran Hallowed Lair a lot

and now he has an Echo, so he's a lot more of a threat now

[devout nimbus]

Maybe that's what the next raid will be about then if it isn't a reprised one

[dim minnow]

are we even getting another raid this year?

haven't heard anything about it

[devout nimbus]

No clue

Bungie don't want to say

[dim minnow]

I'm pretty sure Heresy will drop with another dungeon

[devout nimbus]

Dreadnaught dungeon!

[dim minnow]

likely

Deep gave us a Titan dungeon

I actually really like that the first encounter was in that forest area inside the Arcology

I've been wanting to go in there for a long time

[devout nimbus]

Yeah it was a cool change to explore

I always wanted a mission where we went to recover his body since first doing kf in d1

[dim minnow]

I really do question the Vanguard's decisions sometimes

like, we know the body itself is still alive, why do we want to fuck aroud and bring it to the Tower

or City or wherever

[slim girder]

I like to think it'd be contained in a separate vessel like the crown of sorrow was.

Like the helm so that in space it has nowhere to spread to. Obviously the helm has crashed now but during season of the deep I always thought that would have been a solution

[devout nimbus]

Why didn't we immediately go and get it is my question

And yeah probably should have destroyed it

[slim girder]

It's dangerous.

But still valuable

[dim minnow]

we didn't even know his body was there

until we ran the dungeon

[slim girder]

We had savathuns remains brought to the tower and dissected by eris

[dim minnow]

now with Savthun's remains, there was a good reason

[devout nimbus]

Probably could have tracked the body to it

[dim minnow]

we had to keep them intact so Immaru couldn't rez her unless she was close to her body

[dim minnow]

we didn't really put a tracker when his body was floating into space

not like knowing where his corpse would end up was a big concern for us at the time

[slim girder]

The canonical ending to kings fall really is just us simply leaving.

[dim minnow]

and we only knew his body was on Titan becuse we followed the Lucent Brood ship that went into the moon's Methane depths

[devout nimbus]

I assumed with the future tech and AI we could like track orbits and make an educated guess

[slim girder]

At the time it was the logical thought. We killed him in his throne world. He should have died

[devout nimbus]

Mmh

[dim minnow]

well Titan was gone for a while

[slim girder]

Even sloane told us the ritual was to oryx but during the dungeon the radio cut out

[dim minnow]

and again, why would we even want to track his body

[devout nimbus]

Just in case

I do get your point though

[dim minnow]

what case, he was dead

we knew he was dead

we didn't know his body was not dead

[devout nimbus]

I mean I would want to make sure something like Oryx was for sure gone

By having his body

[dim minnow]

as far as we knew, he was

[slim girder]

Again at the time it was the logical answer. Kill a hive god in their throne world and they die for good. We did that so no reason to go any further.

Only thing that really happened after we killed oryx was toland had a bit of a tantrum

[dim minnow]

I wonder if he will show up in Heresy'

maybe he will take up the role of "condescending asshat" liek Immaru was on Witch

[slim girder]

I think it's possible. We're going back to oryxs old domain afterall. Not to mention the "eldritch force" that's supposedly going to lead us there.

Sounds like something he'd want to know more about

[dim minnow]

I do wonder

that one lore book from last episode

the one with the Qugu

[slim girder]

Dynasty?

[dim minnow]

yeah

so Savathun attacks the Qugu homeworld and takes a Pyramid ship that the Qugu worshipped or soemthign

then the Qugu later mount a desperate last stand against Savathun's fleet

but then, in the middle of the battle, the Dreadnaught pulls up and starts engaging Savathun's forces

in the end, the Qugu get annihilated by the Pyramid Savathun had

but what i want to know is what Oryx was doing there

sure the Hive gods always fought each other because Sword Logic and all

but I feel like there was more to this than that

mainly since Savathun had a Pyramid Ship

sidenote, that book shows how powerful The Lure (giant Hive ship floating on Mars) is

[slim girder]

I wonder what xivus idea of a flagship is.

[dim minnow]

War Moons

jut a fuck ton of them

strange that we haven't even seen one yet

well they are described as not something the Hive can just toss away

so maybe they amount of them have dwindled significantly

[slim girder]

That's something that's always bugged me about the hive. Where did all of this power they had go? Are they just kept outside of sol and transported through the ascendant plain?
I read stories of them going through light wielding civilisations like nothing. Even us during the collapse

Xivus shadow engulfed torobatyl

[dim minnow]

well apparently Xivu did plan on bringing a massive fleet right over the Moon

she even had them parked in the Ascendant Plane

but she needs a lot of power to transfer them over

and we ususally prevent the Hive from getting the power they need to do these things

[slim girder]

Right. A lot of ops against the hive usually involve us closing portals

[dim minnow]

also when Oryx showed up, he kinda destroyed the fleet of Hive ships around him when using his Dreadnaught superweapon

Crota didn't seem to have the same amount of firepower as Oryx or another Hive god had

or maybe it was due to him being in hibernation for a while

[slim girder]

Kinda basic but I think that's simply because crota is i guess in the hive sense a kid. Got manipulated by his auntie savathun and then punished by his father

I don't question crotas power i.e the great disaster but at least to me he seems very arrogant and cares a LOT about impressing his father then doing anything to truly become a hive god like the main 3.

[iron mortar]

most of it is, becuz i think lore entries are meant to imply that these are things we are reading ourselves

so it is safe to say that any lore entry are infomation known to the vanguard

[sick yew]

It depends afaik
Stolen intel for example are just actual classified vanguard records

Most Loyal on the other hand is simply events being told which arent written down

[ember storm]

Not specifically

Most lore entries are really just storytelling we don’t know about

If it’s presented in the form of an actual written document, yes, that’s meant to be our characters reading the actual text

If it’s just 3rd person narration, it’s just story

[brittle dirge]

What if it’s with the character addressing others like the wildcard from the once ship stealer

But not explicitly speaking to them

It’s not in 3rd and it’s written more in 2nd like it’s to YOU

[jagged badge]

That’s Atraks delivering a message to the youth of House Salvation

No?

[brittle dirge]

Yeah

That was her job after all

[trim grotto]

I'd say it's a case by case basis on whether we're aware of an entry or not, in universe

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[trim grotto]

Omg a real mod just agreed with me omg

[jagged badge]

My word adds weight to yours

[brittle dirge]

This one seems real as this was her job before becoming the fallen exo

[ember storm]

Yeah that’s a given

It’s a first person written piece of text

Atraks sat down and wrote/spoke it

[trim grotto]

In this case, yes, we may potentially be aware of it.

[honest snow]

Are there any romantic relationships between eliksni and humans

[trim grotto]

No.

Keep in mind that House Light has only been in the City for three years. Prior to that, the Eliksni were historically one of our oldest foes, who hunted and warred with humanity for centuries.

Takes a bit to work through that.

[regal palm]

Not for us, anyway. Wouldn’t have our alliance with Misraaks if we didn’t spare him in the first place

[trim grotto]

True, but we're also not making out with Misraaks.

[regal palm]

Maybe you aren’t

[dim minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wnxvynw5GI

POV: You tried to kiss Mithrax while he was having another evil dementia episode

[trim grotto]

jesus Dova

[dim minnow]

you can tell what Mithrax's condition is an allegory for

[dim minnow]

anyways, you think it's about time I go to the Cryptarchy

[slim girder]

Where did all the extra infrastructure in the mars warmind room come from? something that's always bothered me

[dim minnow]

what do you mena by "extra infrastructure"

[slim girder]

The area you fight kelgorath in. The place is a server room now

[dim minnow]

so you're asking why the Mindlab looks different now

[slim girder]

yeah

[dim minnow]

I believe it's because of the Mars time rifts

[slim girder]

Because it's where rasputin used to be

Just something that looked odd when we went back to mars

[ruby pivot]

there is a lore where a titan punched a mountain and it moved right?

i am sorry if i am repeating myself but why no speedster guardian

if we can punch a mountain you can run faster than lightning

[trim grotto]

Wei Ning.
Wei Ning punched the mountain. It moved. A microscopic shudder, but enough to make her punch it again.

[trim grotto]

Anyone can punch a mountain

Doesn't mean it'll do anything

[trim grotto]

Anyway point is
A) Wei didn't really move a mountain by any tangible scale
B) Bungie haven't exactly provided us a detailed explanation of why not

[blazing wasp]

Also strength does not equate to speed
Also speedsters are fucking awful to write well.

[slim girder]

My interpretation of that is she just took a chunk out of a mountain through punching it multiple times.

[slim girder]

Funny enough the "fastest" character we have in destiny is probably Marcus ren the sparrow rider.

If it's anything to do with speed there's usually a sparrow involved

[wraith sequoia]

Does anybody know why the drifter wants motes?

[ember storm]

SUMMON A PRIMEVAL

but basically it doesn't really directly benefit him

Gambit was essentially just a means of both the Nine testing limits of guardians and Drifter's own personal satisfaction in getting lots of guardians to test the limits of darkness after years of very black/white thinking

it's why he gets so when you invade

[blazing wasp]

He does use the motes for faken stuff

[errant tapir]

@trim grotto HMU bro

I wanna know the timeline too of how Cayde die

Can u start from the beginning timeline of how he dies?

[trim grotto]

Firstly, let me get some groundwork.
You've played Cayde's Fate, but only up to the bugged part, yes?

[errant tapir]

Yes

Cayde was tasked to infiltrate a cabal place???

[trim grotto]

Uh, no.

[errant tapir]

Ope

Please enlighten me

[trim grotto]

The Prison of Elders was an Awoken prison facility which housed some of the most dangerous criminals of the Sol System.

Petra Venj, the Queen's Wrath, asked Cayde-6 to assist her in securing the facility from a prison riot.

(Queen's Wrath is a title given to someone working directly for the Awoken Queen, Mara Sov. Petra is her right hand woman.)

Petra Venj has history with Cayde-6, and indeed Cayde-6 put a number of the inmates into the Prison of Elders himself - including the Scorned Barons and the mad prince, Uldren Sov, brother of Queen Mara Sov (who was, at the time, dead. Long story.)

You may recognise one of the Scorned Barons as Fikrul, the current antagonist of this Episode.

With me so far?

[jagged badge]

I’m not, can you repeat that?

[trim grotto]

Can you go make yourself a cup of tea and then stub your toe and spill the tea?

[jagged badge]

I don’t think I have any tea

I can stub my toe though probably

[trim grotto]

Oh by the by Eris

I got the bits from the pale heart

Used bray.tech to see what I was missing specifically

[jagged badge]

Eyyy that’s convenient

You picked up both Khvostovs too?

[trim grotto]

nnnope

[jagged badge]

Ah

[trim grotto]

@errant tapir you there buddy?

[errant tapir]

Those names are unfamiliar

U can continue

Now I have another followup question if you are done

I am familiar with mara sov

She is the dark one. Is it from lightfall or witch queen? I don't seem to remember

[trim grotto]

D1, actually.

Vanilla

[errant tapir]

Damn

I wasn't born yet

[jagged badge]

[errant tapir]

U can continue mael

[trim grotto]

So, we join Cayde-6 and Petra Venj in securing the Prison of Elders.

Part way through this process, however, we discover that Prince Uldren Sov and the Scorned Barons had broken free, and were attempting to escape.
Fikrul, the Fanatic, was the origin of the Scorn (partially the fault of Variks), and this was the first time we ever encountered them. Cayde-6 preforms an incredibly daring moveto cut them off, but ends up facing all of the Scorned Barons, and a hoard of Scorn themselves, alone.

[jagged badge]

https://tenor.com/view/cayde-destiny-falling-gif-15312931

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/PSmPhm3ITMA?si=VmXosM5y4JCO4P62

This shall explain the rest

This begins from the part you can't finish due to the bug

Where the power is turned back on

Enjoy, @errant tapir

[errant tapir]

Okay

@trim grotto u mentioned earlier that mara sov brother died. How did he return in the final shape?

[ember storm]

He didn’t

Uldren Sov has been dead for over five years

Who you see in FS is Crow, a guardian

[errant tapir]

Oh fuck sorry

[trim grotto]

Uldren Sov was killed by us and Petra Venj at the end of the Forsaken campaign about five years ago. Some months after that, he was resurrected by a Ghost, who you may now know as Glint.

This new Lightbearer took the name Crow, and - after significant personal development - joined up with the Guardians.

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-final-shape-last-city-crow-glint-gif-476322842428212181

Also I never noticed glint sits on his shoulder in this cutscene that’s really fucking cute

Let me do that with my ghost bungie!!

He needs a hug!!

[trim grotto]

Remember, when one is resurrected, they have no memories. Crow is functionally a different person.

Bungie had to spend about four years explaining this to people.

Even now you still get the occasional "crow bad he killed cayde" person

[errant tapir]

How did they resurrect? Is it from the traveller?

[ember storm]

Ghost

Ghosts resurrect

Individual gets the power of the light with no memory of the person they were

All guardians are like that

[trim grotto]

Glint, the Ghost.
It's... what they do.

The Traveler made the Ghosts, the Ghosts resurrect the people.

[errant tapir]

Oh yeah

[ember storm]

Some might luck out and have some clue to who they used to be, like Ana

[errant tapir]

So we are immortal

[trim grotto]

As long as our Ghost lives.

[errant tapir]

Unless ghost is destroyed?

[trim grotto]

Exactly

[errant tapir]

[ember storm]

She was literally rezzed in the Bray facility with her name tag on her

[errant tapir]

Oh okay

[ember storm]

There’s also some cases where a guardian is just rendered completely dead even if the ghost is fine

[errant tapir]

The most important question I want to know

[ember storm]

Like being killed with a devourer bullet

[errant tapir]

Oh

That's... Bad

[ember storm]

The original thorn was capable of this

The scorn crossbow that shot Cayde’s ghost Sundance was also loaded with one

The rifleman just made the last minute decision to kill the ghost just to have the satisfaction of watching Cayde die the old fashioned way

[dim minnow]

I actually have a list on how to kill guardians pinned in this channel

[ember storm]

You also have a Petra list

[errant tapir]

HUH

[ember storm]

How’s it going

[dim minnow]

the Petra shit list

[ember storm]

Did you mention her taking a cheap shot at Crow during WR

[dim minnow]

I hate her

[ember storm]

Because she just shits on him for Riven’s actions for no reason

[dim minnow]

not enough space

[ember storm]

It’s a list

[dim minnow]

wait, I have nitro now

[ember storm]

Type a new bullet point

Also don’t you remember

[dim minnow]

message space

[ember storm]

You can just make a word doc

And screenshot it clown

[dim minnow]

what was the jab again?

[ember storm]

I did that and you said it was convenient

[dim minnow]

the one at the start where she said Ahamkara have a history of eluding him?

[ember storm]

Beginning of WR Crow is skeptical of an ahamkara being on earth and Petra responds with saying “they have a history of eluding you”

[errant tapir]

I don't see no Petra list

[dim minnow]

I don't think that is pinned

[ember storm]

It wouldn’t be

[dim minnow]

but the Guardian killing list is

[ember storm]

Because the moderators hate fun

The lgbt character list isn’t pinned either afaik

That should actually be pinned

[errant tapir]

Most important question I have to know

How is the story of Osiris becomes savathun?

From beginning to ending pls

@trim grotto

[ember storm]

He doesn’t

[dim minnow]

Osiris went into the Hellmouth during his investigation of the growing Wrathborn threat

[ember storm]

Savathun takes his identity to disguise as him and screw with us for the good half of a year

[dim minnow]

he ended up crashing a ritual where Crota's remaining daughters were swearing fealty to Xivu Arath

then Osiris proceeded to destroy everyone there until Xivu Arath's Hight Celebrant showed up which caused Osiris to be overwhelmed by Xivu's presence

in order to save Osiris, Sagira blew herself up to purge Xivu's presence from the Hellmouth

then Savathun took over Osiris' body while he was vulnerable

then we come in and save him along with Crow who we meet for the first time

neither of us knowing that Savathun is in control

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-destiny-osiris-savathun-magic-fingers-gif-22869132

And thus, Osusris is born

[dim minnow]

chronologically, this happened like a week after Beyond Light

[jagged badge]

[dim minnow]

and for the rest of that year, Savathun was posing as Osiris until the end of the Season of the Lost intro where she revealed herself

[ember storm]

The process did also involve Savathun wearing him like a meat puppet so their minds sort of got melded together for a bit

Osiris watched helpless as she moved his body and spoke with his voice

Osiris retained some of her memories after they separated

[dim minnow]

Savathun tried to suppress Osiris, but he was able to figure out that there was something hidden on Neptune

which led to him becoming obsessed with finding out what it was in Seraph

which then we get some info towards the end of Seraph and then we get Lightfall where we see Osiris' obsession start to take over

hence why throughout Lightfall's story, Osiris was very pushy on finding the Veil

[errant tapir]

I have so many question

1. Osiris before possessed is actually a Guardian?
2. Xivu's presence, does that mean Xivu has some sort of mind control?
3. How is the process did they manage to separate Osiris and savathun?
4. What happened on Neptune? Some sort of mystery?
5. Osiris obsession with finding Veil, is it a bad thing? Has he become rogue/villain?
6. What powers do savathun have?

[ember storm]

Osiris had always been a guardian yes

He was the original warlock vanguard

He’s also wearing sunbracers

[dim minnow]

3. Savathun gave him back to us in exchange for us helping Mara Sov remove her worm

she wasn't really fused with him

[ember storm]

Xivu Arath has the power to create wrathborn, completely overriding a subject’s mind to worship and serve her to an incredibly destructive degree

[trim grotto]

One of the most powerful Warlocks in history.
Sort of. Made you very aggressive, blind with rage.
Magic! It was part of the deal between Sav and Mara for the exorcism.
A lot. Colony ship crashed, they found the Veil, so on.
No, no, and no.
A lot. She's a Hive god and a Lightbearer.

[ember storm]

Arguably in some cases I think it can be considered more dangerous than taken, because not only does it horribly mutate given enough time, but it can also infect machines

[dim minnow]

4. During the Collapse, Savathun killed Nezarec and took the Veil to Neptune where she hid it from the Witness

[ember storm]

Osiris’ very intense desire to find the secret on Neptune just came from his insecurities and lashing out in grief

[dim minnow]

Savathun possesses a LOT of knowledge on Hive magic (and probably a lot of other Darkness-based phenomenon) and on the Light (due to her experimentation with Ghosts)

[ember storm]

He didn’t give himself proper time to mourn Sagira and just wanted to prove he wasn’t “useless” without his light anymore

He’s always been a brash and reckless person, and the loss of Sagira multiplied it

By the end of the LF campaign he mellows back out and gives himself time to actually process his loss

[dim minnow]

Osiris's obsession was mildly self-destructive and he even compared himself with Maya Sundaresh who was also obsessed with the Veil

people tend to criticize Osiris for how he acted during Lightfall, but they never really considered why he was like that

they just focus on the fact that he was annoying

[ember storm]

Also like apparently everybody forgot that Seraph happened because he was literally the same in there

[dim minnow]

well to be fair there were probably several people who played Lightfall without playing through Seraph (or a lot of other prior seasons/expansions)

[errant tapir]

What is this "Veil" thing? Is it some sort of artifact? Why does savathun hid it from the witness?

[dim minnow]

you know the Traveler?

[errant tapir]

Yes

[ember storm]

The Veil is the primordial source of darkness

[dim minnow]

the Veil is it's Darkness equivalent

[errant tapir]

Big planet

[ember storm]

Not a planet

Or planet sized

[dim minnow]

also a missing piece of the Traveler

[trim grotto]

You learn about it post-Lightfall campaign in the Veil Logs.

[errant tapir]

[ember storm]

It’s like smaller than a country

[dim minnow]

but to what extent we can't really say

[ember storm]

Mountain sized

[errant tapir]

Where do I see that?

[dim minnow]

that means if Wei Ning punched it, it would move

[dim minnow]

there is a quest that gives you access to the veil COntainment load zone

post-campaign

[trim grotto]

After doing Parting The Veil, you may return there to hear the logs.

[ember storm]

She’d be lasered like Ghaul

[dim minnow]

also gives you the coolest looking legendary handcannon

shame it got pwoercrept

[errant tapir]

Okay one thing at a time

[dim minnow]

can't even enhance it

[errant tapir]

Parting the veil is a quest on Neptune?

[dim minnow]

nah, the Traveler would be chill like that

[errant tapir]

Where can I get it from?

[ember storm]

Complete the story

Then you do other things I think first

Nimbus’ quests

[dim minnow]

Nimbus should give it to you

[ember storm]

Deterministic chaos thing

[trim grotto]

The post-campaign. Have you finished the main campaign of Lightfall?

[errant tapir]

ohhh lightfall

Strand

Yes?

[trim grotto]

Yes, I did say Lightfall.

[errant tapir]

I do not have strand

[dim minnow]

complete Lightfall

then you will have it

[trim grotto]

That'd be why you're unaware, then

[errant tapir]

Yup

I have the DLC

But I've been lazy lol

I only completed the stasis campaign and pale heart lol

[dim minnow]

I wish I could replay the BL campaign

[ember storm]

You don’t

You really don’t

[errant tapir]

What is BL?

[dim minnow]

you overestimate how much I think it's peak

[dim minnow]

Stasis campaign

aka Beyond Light

[errant tapir]

Oh

I kinda hate it

It's too much repetitive

[trim grotto]

It was made during the height of the pandemic.

[ember storm]

All the good stuff got carved out

[errant tapir]

Oh really?

Damn

4 years ago?

[ember storm]

I mean at least we got a cool trailer out of it

[dim minnow]

imagine Bungie revamps it

[trim grotto]

2020, yeah

[ember storm]

Cinematic cover of Paint it Black and everything

[dim minnow]

like?

[ember storm]

They have to revamp Levi first

[ember storm]

More Drifter content!!!!

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🤝

[ember storm]

But also everything about the pouka was cut

All that was left was the teaser and that one pre-rendered cutscene

[jagged badge]

I am a big Beyond Light enjoyer

[ember storm]

I bet you have Splintered huh

[dim minnow]

the final mission really goes hard

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Yeah. And Descendant

[ember storm]

Despicable

I could never

[dim minnow]

I never really went for Destination seals

other than Cursebreaker

[jagged badge]

Beyond Light made me delete my Awoken Hunter for my Exo Hunter who I still have to this day

[ember storm]

https://youtu.be/yPULlTe4VfQ?si=Sbzdz_H3Ft3vpQ1l

[dim minnow]

I could probably finish a decent amount of them

[ember storm]

Music from the trailer

Goes hard methinks

[dim minnow]

Cruel World in Witch Queen goes harder

[ember storm]

Silence

[dim minnow]

I think all I need to do for Virtual Fighter is master story mission and 7 minute Partition

[errant tapir]

1. Savathun without her worm anymore means she's unstopable now?

2. How does she wield The Light? Can u pls explain with detail?

3. Savathun hid the veil from witness, I assume witness got it? So he can use the veil then he becomes more powerful?

4. How did they make the witness, the witness was made from darkness. Does that mean the veil created him?

5. Do you guys know witness species?

[trim grotto]

She died, actually. She was resurrected after that by Immaru.

[dim minnow]

Hive kind of need their worms, but the Light can circumvent that need

[ember storm]

1 kind of the opposite, she lost her hive god immortality and powers

[trim grotto]

Question 3 is answered by the campaign

[ember storm]

2 she died and ghost resurrected by a ghost

[trim grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0CKckjryVI
This answers 4 and 5

[dim minnow]

the Witness needed the Veil because it needed to link it with the Traveler so it could create a portal to the Pale Heart which would allow it to enact the Final Shape

[ember storm]

4 the witness came into being because an ancient civilization decided to use the veil and the traveler to remake the universe in their idealized version of static perfection

Traveler ran away before they could do it, so they merged their minds into a singular entity to embody their ideology

[errant tapir]

The Pale Heart is the core of the traveller?

[dim minnow]

it is a world of infinite potential that lies within the Traveler

[errant tapir]

Huh? Why?

Did the ghost malfunction?

[trim grotto]

No.

[errant tapir]

Why do the ghost resurrect a bad person?

[ember storm]

Because the ghost is Immaru and Immaru is an asshole

[errant tapir]

[trim grotto]

Alright alright hold on let me explain

[ember storm]

He got a chance at power and self important and took it

Ghosts can be bad people and he’s a bad person

Simple as

All ghosts were created at the exact same point at the end of the collapse, so it’s not like he was a new one made especially for Savathun

He took the position of Savathun’s ghost willingly and delivered her freshly risen, amnesiac mind right back to her trusted witches to get it

Also he calls himself daddy a lot

It’s not cool

[errant tapir]

WHAT THE FUCK

How did the writer came up with daddy? Huh?

[jagged badge]

Because it’s a word in the English language?

[errant tapir]

End of collapse?

When is that?

[ember storm]

The collapse

When the black fleet descended on humanity and almost caused our extinction

Long before the events of the game take place

[errant tapir]

How did the writer came up with the idea to call a robot himself as a "daddy"?

[trim grotto]

I can't be bothered typing so have this

[ember storm]

Oh it happened!

Okay the music quick

[trim grotto]

Ghosts are entirely sentient beings. They're... people. Just as drones.

[ember storm]

https://youtu.be/bbqYPBOJ7Lk?si=O5pmFNaY3oJjALTC

Ghosts are sapient creatures like us

They’re not robots

They were not constructed by human hands

The traveler is essentially their mother

[errant tapir]

[ember storm]

ACTUALLY

I have

The perfect gif for this

BEHOLD

VISUAL AID

https://tenor.com/view/starro-the-suicide-squad-suicide-squad-spores-gif-24191078

It was like this

[errant tapir]

HUH

[dim minnow]

you need the mp3

[ember storm]

You outmaneuvered me

I yield

[errant tapir]

Is this from red war?

[ember storm]

This was from before the game happened

Like thousands of years before

[errant tapir]

So the traveller hasn't reproduce anymore ghost since then?

[ember storm]

It was the first and only time ghosts were ever made

[trim grotto]

Correct

[ember storm]

All ghosts were created at that specific moment

There were none made before or since

[errant tapir]

[ember storm]

It was the traveler’s ultimate declaration of defiance against the witness

So anyway to get back to the point

[errant tapir]

[ember storm]

“Immaru” as he recently named himself has always been around

He was never really a great person

[errant tapir]

Wait wait wait

[ember storm]

He apparently used to just bully other ghosts when they first appeared

Maybe he has some self esteem issues but regardless

Savathun gave him the opportunity to get in a position of power and he took it

[errant tapir]

Traveller vs witness occured long before the game was created?

[ember storm]

Yeah

Like WAY before

Destiny is far off in the future

[errant tapir]

Interesting

[ember storm]

In the Destiny timeline humanity only first encounters the traveler around our currently timeframe

Then the age of human advancement thanks to the traveler called the Golden Age is a few centuries long

Then the collapse happens because the witness ruins everything

[ember storm]

Then a few centuries of everything being fucked up because there’s a bunch of immortal weirdos with god powers running around and also aliens are invading (dark age)

[errant tapir]

Lightfall strand subclass takes place in which planet?

[trim grotto]

Neptune.

[ember storm]

Neptune

We discussed this

[errant tapir]

Oh

So this is Neptune?

[ember storm]

That’s the witness home world

Neptune is settled by humans

[errant tapir]

[trim grotto]

No, that is an unknown planet from millions or billions of years ago in an unknown galaxy.

[errant tapir]

Fair enough

[ember storm]

They secretly avoided the brunt of the collapse as it happened

Their city has been able to safely grow and develop ever since the collapse without intervention

[errant tapir]

With the help of traveller?

[ember storm]

Until LF happens and Calus parks a ship in the middle of the road

[ember storm]

No

With the help of the Ishtar collective

[trim grotto]

Neptune was hidden from all but the Vex.

[ember storm]

And also Soteria, a submind of Rasputin

[errant tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-math-calculating-confused-golden-girls-gif-27641696

[ember storm]

The collapse wasn’t an immediate thing

There was a brief but substantial point in time where everything was currently going to shit