📚lore-discussion

[blazing wasp]

a accurate estimate yes

you dont really get to the age of 300 on average with cancer being a thing.

[ruby pivot]

i wouldnt be surprised if clovis bray kept the cure for cancer

[slim girder]

Right. That's why I said diseases in destiny might already have cures or treatments that are plentiful. Unlike nowadays where the most life threatening stuff is still being researched and only some survive them

[ruby pivot]

or only bray related hospitals can use the cure for cancer

mhm

[slim girder]

Braytech probably saw the exo as the cure

[ruby pivot]

THE FLESH IS WEAK

[blazing wasp]

im pretty sure cancer is eradicated in a way for humans

since the 300 thing predates the exo project

[slim girder]

Pretty much the iron hands treatment yes.

[ruby pivot]

hahahaha

[slim girder]

Clovis saw being exo as the step to immortality

[blazing wasp]

also note that ghost did not state we arent harmed by tetanus

we cant get it

we cant be bearers of it

[slim girder]

However he was a sadistic murderer trying to achieve it so that he could become the equivalent of a god

[ruby pivot]

do you think its the light doing the work? or our immune systems doing the work(enhanced with the light or not)

[blazing wasp]

given that this extends beyond guardians, probably not

[slim girder]

It probably has something to do with the light but many times we have seen ghosts come out, flash a couple lasers of light and we're back to normal

[blazing wasp]

again, 300 years, you dont get to that age without extreme medical progression beyond effective treatment.

[ruby pivot]

man, imagine the things u could do with a most virus resilient body

you can work with less medical problems

and well you wont worry much on finance on medical stuffs

[slim girder]

This also isn't just virus protection. Like how do you make a human heart go for 300 years? Or any organs for that matter.

[ruby pivot]

ah wait a min

[blazing wasp]

maybe something that slows down DNA deterioration

[ruby pivot]

if humans are resilient thanks to the innovation i bet the prices in that d2 universe is expensive

[blazing wasp]

where your body degrades much slower when you get to like 25-30 ish

[slim girder]

That's what I thought as well. Something slowing down aging even

[blazing wasp]

slowing down dna deterioration slows down aging, makes organs last longer, your immune system is kept in check longer, etc

[slim girder]

Making a 60yr old look and act like our equivalent of a 25yr old

[blazing wasp]

come to think of it, nobody in the destiny universe needs glasses afaik

so eyesight is probably universally perfect

[ruby pivot]

i am trying to remember some npc models if they have glasses

ye i dont think i did notice any of them using glasses

[blazing wasp]

we are already able to change our eyesight today

in the modern age with modern technology

[ruby pivot]

mhm

[slim girder]

Biotic enhancement might also be on the table. Body parts like eyes that can behave and look just like the real thing. Ear implants for hearing that are much more sophisticated

[blazing wasp]

absolutely not unfeasible they perfected it in the golden age, and made it stick

because remember, the golden age is over

but these things still linger

that made me think, what if the golden age just found a really really great way to alter DNA to make eyesight perfect and all that stuff, which is why it lingers on

[slim girder]

Our golden age is still definitely around. And lots of it can still be used even. We built a whole city out of the wreckage of it. And we now even have neomuna that's apparently always been in that golden age until the shadow legion came

[ruby pivot]

"until the fire nation attacked" sorry had to put it in there

[blazing wasp]

yeah but its not around in a great enough degree that we could replicate everything the golden age did to improve our health if everything form the golden age relied on machinery and treatment to fix the problem when it is occuring

like fixing eyesight after it becomes worse, curing a disease after you get it

it'd add more up if they found a way to prevent it ever becoming an issue

no treatment needed for the flu, because you dont get sick from the flu, ever

eye doctor not needed, because your eyes are permanently perfect

[ruby pivot]

and i assume in the golden age digitized stuffs are more prevalent and hard copies or books are few, since we could have probably left some history behind

[blazing wasp]

yeah, in the golden age they developed the engram technology

which is information storage

which can even host physical material

some of the shit we find in engrams can not fit in it if the engram is just a box

[ruby pivot]

would have been great if the golden age people left some medicinal practices recorded but information easily distributed is probably a feasible option more than the slow and resource heavy like printing i assume

[slim girder]

Unfortunately whether we like or not diseases will always exist and when we cure one thing, another takes its place no matter how much we find cures. The body is susceptible to itself even. Sure the golden age allowed us to live to 300 years but I don't believe people who were that old didn't experience issues. Like I'd still expect someone who was 300 years old to still show signs of age.

[ruby pivot]

welp, we found whether we like it or not for our golden age

[blazing wasp]

yes you do eventually die of old age, but you can still die of old age in spite of full virus and bacterial immunity

hell, dying of old age tends to not be virus and bacteria iirc?

let me check that real quick.

Yeah, the 3 most common ways to die of old age are all things caused by the natural deterioration of the body, viruses or such plays no part

[ruby pivot]

yeah

[blazing wasp]

while the diseases probably exist, they're probably redundant and wont even make a dent in humans
also its possible for disease to exist without it harming us

[slim girder]

Hey I'm just saying I don't think disease was completely wiped out. I'm sure people still got sick and all sorts of stuff. The death from those diseases might have been miniumal but they still existed.

[blazing wasp]

ducks and chicken carry salmonella

but they generally are not harmed by it.

[ruby pivot]

diseases can mutate too

[blazing wasp]

and there are means that could outpace evolution in disease

[ruby pivot]

if all life has been blessed by the traveler i assume PROBABLY the organisms that carry said bacterias

[blazing wasp]

take the humble fever

its such a commonly used immune system response across animals for such a ungodly lengthy period of time

so why has no bacteria or virus evolved for it?

simple, they have! they do all the time in fact

but when you evolve to handle a hotter body, and you infect something else, its too cold

and you die

a immune system that punishes anything that evolves to counter it, if the golden age found something that could work like that, no virus or bacteria would ever be a concern for humans

[ruby pivot]

true, i can see that

[slim girder]

Anyone have ideas where the new dungeon might be? My guess is that it's a giant factory/furnace for the fallen and scorn. We might see a new kind of scorn who could be a successor to the machinist or something fikrul may be building. It reminds me a lot of that giant ball we saw in WOTW at the very start when you chase vosik off during that raid.

[trim grotto]

Vesper = evening song = music
Music + vex aesthetic suggests to me it's a Choral Vex/Nessian Schism Dungeon

[slim girder]

I've seen that theory with the vesper name. Then what's the "host" part of it.

[brave estuary]

Vesper of Radius?

Kidding

[slim girder]

Also i know it looks vex but with the fallen style cables attached to it i think it might be more scorn or fallen who have stolen something from the vex

But on the other hand I can see the fallen or scorn creating a giant hunk of metal with a fire pit.

Honestly it might even be something that was tucked away in the reef since that whole region is nothing but rocks,cables and debris. It's just missing that purple glow of the reef

[trim grotto]

[blazing wasp]

bullets in d2 has to be easily mass produced given how often bullets get thrown around like candy in crucible alone

[brave estuary]

And the ammo that all the enemies in the game burn through

[ember storm]

I mean cabal and some specific fallen guns are basically the only ones actually using ammo

[brave estuary]

Dreg 1: "oh no..."

Dreg 2: "Let me guess, the Guardian got a new Exotic weapon?"

Dreg 1: "Yep."

Dreg 2: "And it's going to kill us with some otherworldly power?"

Dreg 1: "Most likely."

Dreg 2: "Bring it on."

[ember storm]

And even then fallen have “shrapnel launchers” meaning they’re literally just shooting garbage

[brave estuary]

Totally not an Emperors new groove reference

[blazing wasp]

emperors new opulence

[brave estuary]

That works too

[slim girder]

No one can tell me that omolon weapons don't shoot liquid at the velocity of bullets.

[cinder geode]

That's what omolon weapons are

[ember storm]

The falling guillotine in question

[fresh zephyr]

With the Hive fighting against the Taken and the Dread in the Pale Heart, surely Savathûn (me) knew that she’d never win against the Witness? Why invoke that battle in the first place?

Distraction

?

[ember storm]

She was preparing her own invasion after the witness was dealt with

She was very transparent about how it was going

She agreed to help in excision because it was literally that or the whole universe dies

After that? She didn’t owe us a thing

[hollow hinge]

She did also imply that her "interference" was also helping us

In her own twisted way

[ember storm]

No not really

That was just the narrative she was spinning in Lost

She was always working toward her own ends

[slim elk]

Reminder:
Savathuns Plan A was foiled by us killing Quria in Splicer (she wanted it captured)

The implications are she was trying to install a puppet government in the City so that she would have the Guardians under her indirect control

[rich wyvern]

Finally I'm free

I've been muted for two days

And I was geeking out over how awesome Season of the Witch was and unable to express that today

Eris Morn is just the most badass character in this series... She needs more screentime. I need a break from Crow for real

But watch Crow be relevant in Revenant anyway

[dim minnow]

well yeah, if it's about Fikrul, then Crow is bound to be relevant to it

Eris will probably show up again in Heresy though

[rich wyvern]

Hope so

[jagged badge]

Considering the armour is themed around her, and there was that lore tab last season I believe teasing it as well

It’s a safe bet

[rich wyvern]

Wait we have previews of armor from future episodes?

[dim minnow]

yeah there's that

[rich wyvern]

Someone link me

[rich wyvern]

Ohh perfect. The hunter one looks exactly like her because she was a hunter

[dim minnow]

Revenant armor looks sick too

[rich wyvern]

I'm gonna wear that shit and never take it off 😭

[dim minnow]

Heresy also has armor that makes us look like old-fashioned navy officers

[rich wyvern]

hmm

it's so ridley scott...

no wait

it's hr giger

[dim minnow]

pulling up to the newly revived Oryx looking like Napoleon

[rich wyvern]

ridley just carried giger's vision into cinema

[rich wyvern]

is it confirmed oryx is coming back or is this just memery

[dim minnow]

Dreadnaught is returning and the episode will have a lot to do with Hive gods

also Oryx's body itself isn't dead

it's just that the mind that once was in that body is gone

[rich wyvern]

honestly i don't know like... how the enemy factions are gonna be doled out post-witness

[dim minnow]

not confirmed, but it really seems like a possibility

[rich wyvern]

bungie retiring the dread seems like wasted assets

and the taken

doesn't the ability to Take come from worm gods, actually?

[jagged badge]

I doubt Bungie would have put the effort they did into the Dread if they didn’t think they’d reuse them

[jagged badge]

No

Oryx slew one of the Worm Gods in order to gain power through the Sword Logic enough to commune with “the Deep” (likely the Witness) and inscribed how to Take on the Tablets of Ruin from this communion

[rich wyvern]

ohh.

well that would kinda leave the taken without a leader then

so i wonder how that's gonna work out

can xivu take right now? i guess we just have no idea

[ember storm]

That one battleground in echoes tells us she doesn’t have power over them

She also doesn’t have the ability to take naturally

She just loaned them from the witness and used an old piece of oryx’s sword

[rich wyvern]

hmmmmmm

[jagged badge]

The fact they apparently made a conlang for them too

[ember storm]

What do those magic words mean

We may never know

[jagged badge]

Unless that was in fact built majorly off of Eliksni as Sarsion has theorised it may be

[rich wyvern]

so we have:

vex sub-faction - conductor
original vex - vex hivemind
scorn - fikrul
xivu's hive - xivu
lucent brood - savathun
house salvation - no leader
dread - no leader
shadow legion - no leader
taken - no leader (oryx 2????)

[jagged badge]

Eramis fucked off from Salvation I believe

[ember storm]

Eramis isn’t leading anything

[rich wyvern]

fr?

is salvation still a thing then?

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[ember storm]

Salvation just rallied under the witness

That was made clear in FS

[rich wyvern]

yeah i knew eramis left the pale heart

i just was under the impression she brought some salvation with her

but i guessss not

[ember storm]

She wasn’t there to begin with

[rich wyvern]

oh lol

[jagged badge]

She made plans to leave at least back in Wish

[ember storm]

She hasn’t been seen since defiance

[rich wyvern]

fail on my part then

edited

is it confirmed that there are living disciples we haven't met?

[jagged badge]

Actually, didn’t the post-Excision cutscene show Eramis talking to Fikrul?

[rich wyvern]

did it???

[jagged badge]

No clue

[ember storm]

No

They were two separate hologram things

It was spider and Variks talking about the two being mia basically

[jagged badge]

There is an unknown Disciple in Root of Nightmare’s lore book but

Unknown if they’re alive

[ember storm]

Definitely Harold

[dim minnow]

long dead

pretty sure it says so at the start of the entry

[rich wyvern]

so it sounds to me like we're at a point where bungie can asspull anything and everything for these leaderless factions

[ember storm]

I mean we’ve been in a swap between general criminals and salvation whenever fallen show up

[rich wyvern]

i say asspull lovingly because i know that's just how writing works for this genre

and we know they won't just stop using these enemies

[jagged badge]

Oh nvm then lmao

I misremembered

[rich wyvern]

it would be a huge waste of time and money spent developing them and i'm sure some people aren't tired of them

though some NEW TAKEN would be nice. christ

[jagged badge]

I guess this isn’t really clear

[rich wyvern]

i feel like there's been like maybe one change to taken? adding some stasis weapons to a few of them? since the game came out.

[ember storm]

That was back in BL

Also it’s worth noting that pale heart taken are visually distinct from standard ones

[rich wyvern]

yes, eye color

but even the palette swapped cabal got at least a new mechanic

i would very much appreciate a bit more fleshed-out scorn and taken refresh in the next two episodes

[next bobcat]

Congrats on trial mod!!!

[fast tapir]

holy 🐌

[lavish sphinx]

does yirix belong on this list?

[ruby pivot]

besides the witness who is the strongest enemy we fought against? i mean if we powerscale the raid bosses/campaign bosses

lets just probably do top 5

[sleek matrix]

Witness then probz his disciples

Rulk was the most powerful one

[ruby pivot]

isnt it he only got rhulk and nezzy?

[sleek matrix]

And calus

[ruby pivot]

right

the weakest link of the disciples

[grave mist]

Zavalla could beat them sll i think or most becose hes wise as yoda from star wars

[jagged badge]

Is he?

[grave mist]

Hes leader of anything

[jagged badge]

[grave mist]

Hes leader from tower and vanguard

[slim girder]

Witness, rhulk, nezarec, oryx and then calus.

[grave mist]

Even guardian boss

[trim grotto]

Well, yes, that's what it means to be the Vanguard Commander.

[grave mist]

Witness was final boss supposee to be but its isnt true becouse endless wars

[slim girder]

He's not the boss in the traditional sense. He just runs operations. He's a leader sure but as he said to caityl the guardians don't kneel to him or anything

[grave mist]

Constructor is next but even that ended whats next it feels like the end of destiny 2

[slim girder]

He's the one who directs guardians to where they need to go but I don't think he'd order guardians to do anything they didn't feel safe doing and has forbid guardians going certain places many times (not that some guardians have listened though)

[trim grotto]

Conductor.

[grave mist]

Yes

[slim girder]

Yes. That is the end of the light and dark saga. The episodes currently are an epilogue to that and we won't see a hint of the next saga until revenant according to bungie

[grave mist]

What if zavala beat the taking king

[slim girder]

We already did

In D1

[grave mist]

I onow destiny 1

I know we beated anything

[slim girder]

Oryxs body is now at the bottom of titans oceans

[trim grotto]

Actually, the corpse was sequestered by the Hidden.

[grave mist]

Not really its spirit still lives

[trim grotto]

No, it doesn't.

[slim girder]

So it did get moved?

[trim grotto]

There are cells still active within the corpse, but it is still a corpse, and Oryx's spirit is dead.

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[slim girder]

Ok

[grave mist]

Spirit even if she has defeated the withqueen still lives as spirit ghost

[slim girder]

Huh?

[trim grotto]

What?

[grave mist]

Ghost seal still alive

[slim girder]

You're not making much sense with these sentences

[trim grotto]

Oryx doesn't have a Ghost. He's just dead.

[grave mist]

Ok

[slim girder]

Oryx is dead dead

[grave mist]

Soul still lives on and a soul of all

Even cade is killed but on traverler hes back as

Soul as live returned

[trim grotto]

Oryx wouldn't want to return even if he could. Besides that, he was killed within a Throne World. It was a True Death.

[slim girder]

Cayde is only back because of a wish crow made

[grave mist]

Hes not named crow real name

[slim girder]

Yes he is

[trim grotto]

Crow is his real name.

[slim girder]

That's who he is now

He's not uldren anymore. He died

[grave mist]

They called him becouze hes returned

[slim girder]

That's still his name

[trim grotto]

Uldren died. Crow was resurrected. That's how being a Guardian works.

[grave mist]

Uldren he is always only hes memoryes got deleted by something

Do evil is out of him

[trim grotto]

We have had literal years of storytelling explaining this.

He is considered separate from Uldren Sov.

[slim girder]

Almost 5 years of development

Crow and uldren are different people.

[grave mist]

You mean sinse 2017

[slim girder]

Uldren died, came back as a guardian and was given the new name crow

[slim girder]

Since forsaken pretty much if we really want the start of it

Beyond light we met uldren, now crow

And since then his character has developed

[grave mist]

You forgot all red war

[slim girder]

Because that's not related to uldren at all

[trim grotto]

Uh, neither Crow nor Uldren were related to that.

[slim girder]

Red war, curse of Osiris and warmind save for 1 very little piece of dialogue isn't related to uldren

[grave mist]

And trials of orziris and 2nd expasion

[slim girder]

Curse of Osiris

[trim grotto]

Still irrelevant to Uldren/Crow

[grave mist]

Uldren is crow

Hes memory is comming bavk sometime

[trim grotto]

Okay you're talking in circles and yet not making sense
Somehow

[slim girder]

It's really hard to understand what you're exactly trying to say

[grave mist]

I know sorry

For me i have feeling that we are at final chapter

[rich wyvern]

So

Bungie has several roadmaps that show Destiny is not on the final chapter

Bungie will keep Destiny going until it is no longer profitable or the company goes under or something

[grave mist]

Ive heared that we wont get new campaigns becouse m oney they are out they losing alot i know that ive seen on youtube

[rich wyvern]

No actually they are releasing more campaigns

Twice a year expansions

Probably shadowkeep sized but hopefully bigger than that

[grave mist]

I have heared many negativity about that rushing releases

[rich wyvern]

Well we don’t really know until it happens

Final shape was delayed so it definitely wasn’t rushed

[grave mist]

Even story was gooxd but new players friendly it isnt not they just losing

[rich wyvern]

Idk what that is supposed to mean

[grave mist]

Ok sorry i cant explain

[slim girder]

We are. As I said it's the end of the saga. But another one will start soon.

[rich wyvern]

Final chapter of the witness’s story

Not destiny itself

[grave mist]

Whats your favorite saga

[slim girder]

There's only one

[rich wyvern]

My favorite saga is the light and darkness saga

What’s yours Phoenix

[grave mist]

The beginning you guys forget

[slim girder]

That's also part of it

[trim grotto]

No. It's all been the one saga.

[grave mist]

Oh i thought different storyes

Stories are different

Mine was forsaken whats yours all

[slim girder]

The start of destiny 1 all the way up to where we are now has been called the light and darkness saga. @grave mist

[rich wyvern]

I’m pretty sure the witness didn’t exist conceptually until some point in Destiny 2 but the whole overarching plot of D1 was part of this fight against The Darkness

[grave mist]

For ages

2007 was first destiny

[rich wyvern]

Umm

Wasn’t it 2014

[grave mist]

Ok beta earlyer

[slim girder]

Maybe not but the idea of an ancient enemy for the traveler was always a part of destiny. We just didn't have a face for that enemy only that it was what caused the collapse and that the hive worshipped it.

[slim girder]

No

Destiny came out in 2014. But I believe was revealed in 2013.
You must be talking about Halo

[grave mist]

It exist 10 years now

[slim girder]

Yes

[rich wyvern]

Yes

[trim grotto]

It's 2024. 10 years makes 2014.

[rich wyvern]

So glad we have orange names to give us info like this

[grave mist]

But there was a leak before they kepd hidden

[trim grotto]

!lettinggo was not a leak. It was fanmade.

[grave mist]

That logo was exidently

[trim grotto]

I know one of the people who made lettinggo.

[rich wyvern]

What’s lettinggo

[grave mist]

Is marathon same as destiny makers

[slim girder]

https://youtu.be/aA9oSO-HLQw?feature=shared

[rich wyvern]

Marathon is the same company, Bungie

[grave mist]

Becouse ive heared myth about it

[trim grotto]

Bungie, yes.

[grave mist]

They trying to make same as doom

Ive heared

[trim grotto]

The original Marathons had a similar playstyle, I suppose.

[rich wyvern]

This is hilarious

[slim girder]

@rich wyvern this video has been theorised to apparently be something bungie used as inspiration for Rasputin and was apparently going to be an actual story for him. The evidence though is unbelievably minimal

It's a quote and some morse code.

[grave mist]

Marathon infinity ive tryed to play i coundt make it true level 1

@slim girder it was legend leak

[rich wyvern]

I think the similarities are coincidental. Sci fi, sci-fi fantasy, there’s some tropes that just come up often.

[slim girder]

It's not a leak

Fan made video

[trim grotto]

!lettinggo is fanmade. I know one of the fans who made it.

[slim girder]

It's not made by bungie in any way

It wasn't hidden or anything

[rich wyvern]

It is very obviously not bungie material

In retrospect of course

[slim girder]

It had the destiny tricorn sure but I don't really know the full story behind its creation

[grave mist]

Sinse 2011 is leaked alpha build of destiny 1

[slim girder]

No that wasn't leaked

[grave mist]

Look media im not joking

[slim girder]

You shouldn't say that these things that were available to look at were leaks. We have footage from bungie themselves during destinys development showing gameplay builds

[rich wyvern]

Companies can show development footage it’s not a leak

A leak means someone illegally stole and released material without the consent of the developers

[slim girder]

A leak is called a leak if someone from outside of a company posts something that a company hasn't posted themselves

And usually without permission

[rich wyvern]

Or inside the company but they weren’t supposed to

[slim girder]

That to

Or "insiders" which for some reason every company under the moon apparently has.

God I hate when people bring up that they apparently have an insider

[rich wyvern]

Insider is either an employee or an employee’s friend

And like. People have friends. And people like to show things they’ve been working on. It’s normal human experience. The shitty part is when those friends run to social media with what you showed them

[slim girder]

Right

But I don't think an employee even likes being called an insider because at least to me if someone called me that then that means I'm apparently not trustworthy inside a company

I'm the inside person giving all the secrets out

[grave mist]

You are the guy who leaks

[frosty belfry]

i don’t understand the xenophage lore and what the quest had to do with the exotic either

and the boss

[trim grotto]

Within the Xenophage lies Omar Agah, from Eris Morn's original Fireteam that delved into the Hellmouth.

Take a look inside next time you reload it

[slim girder]

He a bug now

But his hatred of the hive is there and through xenophage we give him that vengeance that he wants.

[frosty belfry]

ohhhh

he wrote that as a bug?

smart bug

[frosty belfry]

he is the orange thing in the weapon?

[trim grotto]

He is what is within that.

[slim girder]

A beetle calcified in what I'm assuming is an amber of sort.

[empty fern]

Why do you have this mael

[trim grotto]

because i possess a minor ability to use google images

[frosty belfry]

this is cool as fuck

[empty fern]

Ah

[dim minnow]

Eris Morn be like: "Only I alone crawled out from that pit" when only 3 of them actually died.

[trim grotto]

To be fair Toland didn't crawl and Omar kinda got... amber... bug... ified.

[dim minnow]

Sing the lifesong and shoot him in the legs, now we'll see if he can crawl out of the Dark Below

[empty fern]

Silksong

[slim girder]

I don't want to talk about SilkSong

[grave mist]

I hope they bring back forsaken one day completed edition

[rich wyvern]

Like the campaign?

[grave mist]

Yes

[rich wyvern]

It was just okay. As long as they don’t get rid of the dreaming city I’m good.

[grave mist]

There are 2 campaigns renember

[rich wyvern]

If they vaulted dreaming city I’d riot.. 😔

[grave mist]

I mean old strikes all gone

Some was fun

[rich wyvern]

The corrupted is gone?

[trim grotto]

No.

[jagged badge]

Forsaken only has one campaign

[frosty belfry]

isnt toland just a white ball now?

[jagged badge]

Hollowed Lair and Broodhold are

[trim grotto]

Yes. A wisp, able to travel between the Ascendant and material plane. An immortal, boundless scholar.

[grave mist]

The dreaming city was 2nd campaign

[trim grotto]

It wasn't a campaign, it was post-campaign content. Just quite a lot of it.

[jagged badge]

That was post campaign content told over different activities. Not an actual campaign

[grave mist]

It was 3 missions long

[trim grotto]

We know what it was. We experienced it.

[jagged badge]

Nope, the Dreaming City storyline is way more than that

It’s the raid, the strike, those three missions and the dungeon telling the Dreaming City storyline

[trim grotto]

Multiple missions across multiple weeks, various secrets based on the curse week, so on so forth

[grave mist]

Forsaken campaign was good story

[rich wyvern]

I don’t even remember these at all

For me the tangled shore was just totally eclipsed by the city

[fresh zephyr]

So theoretically speaking, Oryx is in the Pale Heart somewhere

Or at least a statue of him

Since from what gathered, it makes thought, memory and history manifest, but it’s an accumulation of them. Not just one person

I noticed on the way to the Pale Heart through the Veil, there were some blocks from Oryx’s throne room scattered around lol

[dim minnow]

Tangled Shore was great

The music for it was beautiful

[rich wyvern]

Forsaken had amazing music

So did beyond light

And they fired that guy

[dim minnow]

Tree of Probabilities really gits you hard

[rich wyvern]

Can you believe it

[dim minnow]

Revenant better bring back some good Tangled Shore tracks

[rich wyvern]

Variks might be in it

Maybe we get some beyond light throwbacks too

[dim minnow]

He probably will given the TFS final cutscene

It showed Spider (who Bungie confirmed), Variks, Eramis, and Fikrul (also confirmed)

And chances are Eido and Mithrax will be involved

[rich wyvern]

Yes that’s why I mentioned him

[dim minnow]

Crow will also have relevance probably

[rich wyvern]

Are we just assuming Fikrul gets the next echo? Bungie isn’t gonna do some crazy twist like give it to Mithrax?

[dim minnow]

We already see him have it on his staff

[rich wyvern]

Oh damn

Well alright

[dim minnow]

It's shaped like a Spear head

Like the Conductor made her Echo take the shape of a mantle

I wonder what damage type it would do if he shoots us with it

[jagged badge]

It’s not just one guy

It’s several people who were jointly responsible for Destiny’s music. And several people who are now gone. I believe only one in-house composer remains

[next bobcat]

Echoes seem kinetic - traveler light seems to be that, like microcosm

[frosty belfry]

it had nothing to do except when it had season of plunder which was amazing

literally just good strikes and a good season and then it had nothing else

Fikrul made 5 weapons for his knights that represent them. We know one was buried bloodline, what was the other 4?

[ember storm]

What leads you to believe there was 5 exactly?

Rathil was the leader and the only one given Bloodline as an actual gift

[frosty belfry]

ok

[ember storm]

All five of them were just given staves like Fikrul beforehand

[frosty belfry]

ohhh

[ember storm]

Which is why they all function as reskinned fikrul’s

[frosty belfry]

i get it now

[dim minnow]

technically Plunder was not in Tangled Shore

it was in the Asteroid Belt though

I think most of the Plunder stuff took place in the Themis cluster

let's see

[rich wyvern]

It’s jarring to realize that like all of the awoken shit takes place in the asteroid belt

[dim minnow]

Pirate Hideouts:
The Brute - 64974 Savaria (Themis Cluster asteroid)
The Sharpshooter - 1633 Chimay (Themis Cluster asteroid)
The Blademasters - 8964 Corax (Themis Cluster Asteroid)
The Beast Tamer - 90 Antiope (Themis Cluster Double Asteroid)
The Bully - 14072 Volterra (Themis Cluster Asteroid)
Parley with Eramis - Asteroid, Themis Cluster
The Coward - 43193 Secinaro (Themis Cluster Asteroid)
The Scrapworker - 8319 Antiphanes (Themis Cluster Asteroid)
The Lucent Brood - 16246 Cantor (Themis Cluster Asteroid)

never really says where Ketchcrash is, but it's safe to assume that it is Themis cluster as well

the Themis cluster is in the outer region of the belt

[dim minnow]

and all of these are based off of real asteroids in the belt

[dim minnow]

not only that, but the Dreaming City is based on a real asteroid in the belt as well

4 Vesta, which in the Destiny universe was reshaped into a giant disc by Riven and Techeun magic

[rich wyvern]

Yeah that’s why DC stuff is Vestian, right?

[dim minnow]

there is the Vestian Outpost from D1

Dreaming City is built on a transformed 4 Vesta

[rich wyvern]

Right but there’s also Vestian Dynasty

And I swear some other ones

Vestian Hawk

basically anything Vestian means it's from DC

[empty fern]

How many disciples did witness have? (I have found the byf short about winterbite and the other disciple)

[ember storm]

Four at least

[trim grotto]

Caloos
Rhoolk
Noozoorook
And Mystery Kid

Nearly but not quite Savvythoon

[ember storm]

I like the unspoken development of the witness slowly realizing that disciples are just basically a bad idea and ending it with Calus being one in essentially title only

[empty fern]

Had to get the achievement atleast

[uneven canyon]

How do you spell Oryx’s old name?

[trim grotto]

Aurash for Oryx's original name, Auryx after he took the King Morph.

[dusky matrix]

Speaking of the old hive
What happened to Fundament?
Does it still exist or was the planet destroyed?

[trim grotto]

Life upon it was wiped out and the Hive abandoned it. It should still exist, but there isn't likely to be much there.

[empty fern]

Phobos 2

[slim girder]

Just a war ravaged wasteland probably

Might still have plant life or something though

It did have vast oceans

[grave mist]

Titan fu of hive vallen etc

[blazing wasp]

Huh

[fast tapir]

im sorry?

[empty fern]

Gas ocean planet moment

[trim grotto]

We're talking about Fundament, not Titan.

[grave mist]

Ok

[ember storm]

Are vallen the new enemy type that come from Fikrul making everyone vampires

“I vant to steal your traveler, blehh ”

[empty fern]

Maybe finally taking scorn culture off the back burner back from forsaken

[mellow flicker]

Is the incoming new dungeon similar to smth from destiny 1? I feel like I remember it looks similar to something, but idk

[blazing wasp]

Lore wise? no, not as far as we know

[mellow flicker]

Yeah, lore wise

It seemed similar to the dark garden or whatever the name was

[cinder geode]

No it doesn't

The only thing similar I'm d1 is icebreaker

[sleek matrix]

Nah

D1 stuff is kinda irrelevant

[mellow flicker]

Wdym

[hollow hinge]

Most storylines from it have already dried up

The dreadnought is one of the few things (if not only thing) I can think of that can be reprised with new purpose and that's already coming in episode 3

[dim minnow]

definitely don't recognize it, but I have some ideas

for starters, it does look Vex-like

and it might be in the Tangled Shore (or some other part of the Asteroid Belt)

and it does remind me of something mentioned in a lore book

Drifter once told Shin Malphur that he went to something called the "solar engine of dead star 6"

though the chances of this thing being that aren't very high

[rich wyvern]

Vesper's Host definitely looks Vex

It's unmistakably Vex in design

Will it be a vex dungeon? well

House Dusk has been used recently in story and Vesper means evening

however vesper also refers to an evening song or prayer taking place in a religious context

which reminds one of the new vex and their musical motif

but then again, vesper and dusk are way too similar to ignore

so maybe vex structure that hosts house dusk

[dim minnow]

the name also reminds me of Holborn's Host which were a group of Guardians who ran high-profile Vanguard operations on Mars

[rich wyvern]

honestly when i was looking at it i went "oh shit it's volantis" but volantis is blue, and it would probably be a raid and not a dungeon

[rich wyvern]

interesting

[dim minnow]

though it probably isn't related to them

could be related to another Guardian group though who was similar to Holborn's

[rich wyvern]

no, but it reminds me that host can mean something more figurative than what i was thinking

still, if it's a house dusk dungeon within a vex structure or that uses a vex portal to access, let it be known that i called it

https://destiny.wiki.gallery/images/8/88/Rememberance.jpg

is this supposed to be riven on there?

[dim minnow]

looks like it

though it could be a random Ahamkara

it is certainly an Ahamkara at least

[rich wyvern]

the white enamel and styling kinda clash with my idea of the weapon (DMT), but ahamkara-themed stuff is always pretty sick

definitely one of the cooler destiny concepts

season of the wish kinda put them to rest, but i hope that's not the end

[dim minnow]

well we still have Riven's clutch

just gotta wait for them to hatch

[rich wyvern]

lmao

[dim minnow]

hopefully they take after Taranis

[rich wyvern]

kinda miss when destiny was weirder

some parts of lightfall and final shape were very.. avengers

[native egret]

Lets be real. Bungie won't do anything with them lmao

[dim minnow]

not yet

[native egret]

Nah. They'll appear in a single lore tab and be done

Actually

Knowing bungie they'll appear in a lore section in the new grimoire

[dim minnow]

it's an actual plot point however

so it will have some form of resolution

[native egret]

You know what else was a plot point

Breaking the DC curse

Realistically I dont see them appearing unless its a lore tab

In game I cant see happening

[dim minnow]

in Wish, they stated that at this point the curse can't be broken

[next bobcat]

The what?

[dim minnow]

so now the goal is to try and get everyone trapped in the curse out of there

[next bobcat]

Oh dreaming city

That’s been cursed for years bro

[dim minnow]

the plot point wasn't dropped, it was merely changed

in fact, I can see the curse plot and Ahamkara plot being tied together

[next bobcat]

It’s not exactly a light and dark thing so it’s reasonable

[dim minnow]

use the Whims born from Riven's clutch to free the Awoken soldiers still trapped in Dreamtown

perfect plot for a season

[next bobcat]

You think taox will be in heresy

[dim minnow]

maybe even bring up the fact that the Cabal Empire are planning on getting rid of the Ahamkara once and for all

[dim minnow]

eh, we don't even know if she is still alive at thsi point

[dim minnow]

makes for some nice conflict in the story

[next bobcat]

It’s still very open ended and the whole hive pantheon thing would be the only place to tie it up

[rich wyvern]

honestly it depends on how long the game lives for.

i doubt it will get touched for another year. maybe 2.

[rich wyvern]

i believe you but do you have a source? i've been thinking about this

[dim minnow]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/interactions/mara-sov-final-wish?highlight=curse

[rich wyvern]

ty

[cloud gust]

Like Shattered Throne, can’t Pit of Heresy canonically be done over and over since the special Hive Wizards can just revive Zulmak

[dim minnow]

pretty sure it is canonically replayable

[cloud gust]

yeah I kinda remember reading it from one of the Altars of Sorrow weapons

[sick yew]

@dim minnow what music do you think Clovis listens to

Classical probably

Or just a 5 hour recording of his own voice

[dim minnow]

Classic Rock Nightcore

[sick yew]

I think Clovis is secretly a big country guy

[dim minnow]

he might not even listen to music at all

he showed little interest in Ana teaching Rasputin anything of Human culture

maybe he believes himself to be above it

[sick yew]

That could also just be because to him Rasputin was something different

[dim minnow]

probably

but I could still see him like that

[sick yew]

Clovis probably thought why would my warmachine need to know what music is

[slim girder]

That's exactly what he thought. Clovis did want to make himself the new "Rasputin" afterall so the original was just a test for him. Learning music or human culture poses nothing of value because with power he wanted he would be the one to make a culture of his own.

[sick yew]

Thats why I said if Clovis listened to music then its probably just a 5 hour rant about his worldviews that he always plays back to himself

[slim girder]

I don't think he would even see the value in music tbh even if he made it. "Unnecessary" he'd probably call it. Way too up himself to care about something that brings joy to people.

[sick yew]

Its not actually music its just a podcast of him yapping

[slim girder]

Prolly

I do wonder what actually made Clovis the way he is. Obviously the darkness had influence but surely as like a kid maybe there was a traumatic event or something.

[sick yew]

Maybe he was just born rich

Look around, that can be enough to make someone grow up to be a dick

[slim girder]

Could be. I like to think it's similar to maya where unfortunately they both just couldn't leave something alone and let their curiosity run rampant. In Clovis case it was the exo and then it just went downhill from there through countless inhumane experiments.

[sick yew]

Pretty sure Clovis was already an insufferable prick beforehand

[ember storm]

He was already a horrible person beforehand

Plus exomind creation doesn’t just magically make you a misogynist

[slim girder]

He definitely talks to his 2 daughters in a way that at least to me makes it sound like he would have wanted sons instead.

[blazing wasp]

Clovis is alright once you get to not know him at all

[slim girder]

If you got to know him then I guarantee it was because you were probably in pieces being experimented on.

[ember storm]

It’s actually the opposite

It’s a defined preference for having granddaughters because they’re “easier to control”

He shoved his only grandson Alton to some general colony management job away from Europa

[slim girder]

Do we have anything on what happened to Alton?

[ember storm]

Just died probably

He wouldn’t even have some spinfoil connection to siva like Willa did

He probably just died like Ana did actually

[slim girder]

So nothing sinister as per usual with Clovis?

[ember storm]

Rotting skeleton left somewhere

[ember storm]

The only family member to die as a direct result of Clovis’ actions was Clovis II

And that’s just because of genetic tampering before he was born

[slim girder]

Idk I guess I was just expecting some kind of manipulation or something with Alton.
I need to go through Clovis lore again. I haven't read it in a long time

[ember storm]

He specifically didn’t even try with Alton

Hence the misogyny

[slim girder]

Right

[rich wyvern]

His “why” is that he was terrified of death and obsessed with legacy to the point where he ignored normal relationships with his family and only thought about legacy and avoiding death. Constantly. Non stop

That’s why he was an awful grandfather, that’s why his last project was exos

As far as his son, I mean, that was more him playing god and being an egomaniac.

But it is still linked to the idea of legacy. Children are the first legacy. He just felt that they weren’t enough

[rich wyvern]

When I awoke, I thought I must have had a near-death vision. So I checked my nerve logs. Every last spark in my brain is recorded—and nothing in that cerebral panic can account for my dream. The mind is the brain. It is impossible to have a vision without correlated neural activity—yet I did!

Mysterious logbook is kinda peak dark-sci-fi writing

Not for this passage, but I just realized that Clovis had a post-death “dream” caused by the defector statue

Of course he said this, it wasn’t a new detail revealed by final shape

But I mentally skipped over it because I was focusing too much on alkahest, Maya Sundaresh, Vex stuff etc

Logbook is PACKED with stuff

[dim minnow]

As far as I'm aware, the dreams were from the Traveler instead

The third and final one we see definitely was

[rich wyvern]

Oh whoops

Yeah I remember now, I guess I forgot more than I realized

[ember storm]

What

[small quartz]

lore

[trim grotto]

what the hell is lore

[jagged badge]

Who knows

Let’s talk Gambit brother!

[blazing wasp]

Drifters shoulder pads

That's fur

But of what

[dim minnow]

Bear?

[blazing wasp]

My assumption too but I imagine there aren't many bears about

[sick yew]

[dim minnow]

they do still exist though

[heady monolith]

coconut

[tough kettle]

lord shaxx has coconut too

[slim girder]

Wonder if those new figures we saw are humans or another race

[slim girder]

They look like much more regal kind of civilisation

Robes and banners

Very serene and peaceful

[dim minnow]

those banners...

look kind of Xur-like

[slim girder]

Same logo as the one on those "pods" in the first screenshots for Apollo

[dim minnow]

Jovians?

[slim girder]

Aren't those usually native to Jupiter though? Unless there's something in Destiny lore I'm missing

Also that "device" above the room has to be a colony ships thruster or the thruster to any kind of ship.

[dim minnow]

Jovians are beyond the Asteroid Belt

where they are isn't really known though

[slim girder]

I just looked up jovian and the first result said they were native to Jupiter. Humanoid in look but thicker and stockier due to gravity of the planet

[vagrant bridge]

That's an F-1 engine from the Saturn V

[slim girder]

It depends looks like they set up something underneath the ship like maybe an altar of sorts. Maybe this is a civilisation that worships machines a bit like the eliksni.

[vagrant bridge]

What if it's more like a cargo cult?

All this stuff washes ashore and they worship it as gifts and artifacts from their gods

[dim minnow]

we have never seen Jovians ingame other than Xur

I don't know where this info comes from

[jagged badge]

"Xûr is… I believe he's called a Jovian. They're from out beyond even the Reef. I'm afraid I don't know much else about them."

[ember storm]

What was the result

[jagged badge]

That’s not how Destiny uses the term

[ember storm]

So you see how that’s not anything related to the Destiny universe

[empty fern]

Nah hear me out

Strange coins are actually the secret scooby doo live action arcade coins from 2010

[small quartz]

So its when Developers try and be cutesy and add "Subtle Storytelling"

Like Big Dorks

Okay if a Guardian were Chestbursted, would the Xenomorph have Access to the Light

[trim grotto]

Not unless a little Xenomorph Ghost popped out alongside it.

[small quartz]

Possibly

I mean its still Of Guardian

so

[ember storm]

Not really how it works

Also the guardian would just like

Rez and kill it

[trim grotto]

Sorry Dana

That'd just be a normal Xenomorph

[small quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-good-morning-funny-jokes-coffee-gif-12879524

this saddens me

[dim minnow]

that's not even a Destiny wiki man

I'm pretty sure that page isn't even referring to a Jovian race in particular

more it's talking about the trope or use of a species native to Jupiter in general

while Jovian does tend to be used to refer to Jupiter, the term is also used to refer to the planets in Sol that extend beyond the Asteroid Belt

[small quartz]

Okay what if a Ghost revived a Xenomorph

[dim minnow]

no way in hell that would happen

[small quartz]

Whyzat

[dim minnow]

I can't even imagine it as a rhetorical situation

[small quartz]

Xenos are extremley smart

theyre genuinley built at a perfect hunting machine

[dim minnow]

because Xenomorphs are awful creatures

[small quartz]

Wow...

and Savathun

she was all about Puppies and Daisys?

[dim minnow]

ok

you kind of got me there

but at least the Hive had some background

[small quartz]

You could... engineer a background

[dim minnow]

and xenomorphs are more animal-like

[small quartz]

Theyre still incredibly smart

[dim minnow]

not in the same realm as humans and such

[small quartz]

they have their own language

[dim minnow]

they are smart purely in a predatory stance

[small quartz]

What about a Xenomorph Queen?

Oh God, A Yaut'Ja with a Ghost...

Fucking christ thatd be so cool

[dim minnow]

predators I can actually imagine

it's hard to put it in words

[small quartz]

They are intellegent

thats clear

they have their own Rituals, Civillisations

They're Hunters for a cause

they live for a hunt

[dim minnow]

ok, the word is sapient

Xenomorphs aren't sapient

predators are

[small quartz]

Xenomorph Queen is

[dim minnow]

ehh

[small quartz]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/db/Newborn.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413142345

... what about this

[analog torrent]

🥲

[slim girder]

Thoughts on taniks returning as a scorn?

[dim minnow]

hilarious if he will

but we have his head

[heady monolith]

tv in chest, or tv as head

very tech savvy scorn

[slim girder]

Ravagers don't have heads so I'm sure he'd be fine without it

[vast kiln]

Hmmm....

Are Eliksni eyes clear?

Like. The eyes themselves. They're very blue, but so is the blood they have due to their Ether.

[trim grotto]

I honestly don't think there's an answer to that question.

[next bobcat]

Soo is anything/anyone leading the taken now?

[slim girder]

Xivu and savathun maybe have some level of control. But as of now no. The taken are leaderless.

[next bobcat]

Cool. Developing a raid concept that I want to make sense lore-wise.

[small quartz]

whats the story behind these Giant Vats of Radiolaria in Node/Overide mission

[trim grotto]

In Avalon? Radiolarian Fluid storage. Plus references to old Vex cinematics and the Pyramidian.

[ember storm]

You know in CoO we saw the process of vex just starting to convert mercury which included giant cylinders of radiolaria injecting themselves into the planet

[slim girder]

These are the "seeds" that the vex will implant when coming to a new planet.

All that radiolaria can be the equivalent to trillions of vex possibly..

[oak oxide]

Is there a reason why there are no taken scorn? Are they immune to it or something?

[ember storm]

Scorn are reanimated corpses

Taken need to be alive

[oak oxide]

Ahhh

I see

[ember storm]

Scorn aren’t like guardians in the sense of being healthy and living

They are literally ether pumped bodies that have horrible growths and cysts all over

At best some of their internal organs are being forced into operation again but they’re definitely not living

[oak oxide]

Have there been guardians that have been taken unwillingly?

[ember storm]

Only deputy commander Sloane, and her ghost’s connection to the light staved off the corruption

You can’t really be taken “willingly”

[oak oxide]

I was alluding to Kings fall when you fight Oryx at that one part

Or does that not count?

[ember storm]

There’s a difference between the power to take and actually being taken

Oryx physically just took himself to run away

He did not become a Taken in any capacity

[oak oxide]

So if Sloane is taken to some extent does that give her a power boost in any kind of way?

[ember storm]

Nope

She just constantly had Xivu prying into her head a lot

Although she was also able to act as a sort of avatar for a proto worm god, so there was that

[dull raft]

and eventually Xivu tried to kill Zavala via Sloane iirc

[ember storm]

Yeah but she thugged it out

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-lightfall-season-of-the-deep-sloane-deputy-commander-gif-2771720598921475232

[ember storm]

Is this from the ramen Eliksni who got lynched

[empty fern]

The sparrow?

[ember storm]

It’s the splicer sparrow so

[empty fern]

Ye

[tough kettle]

i am shocked every time i remember that they lynch eliksni

[ember storm]

Can’t remember whether they died or not

[next bobcat]

Sooo could taken dread theoretically exist?

Also, wouldn’t taken vex look exactly the same except for the radiolaria looking taken? Since, that’s the living part?

[ember storm]

I guess but that would actually be a detriment to the cause

Dread are genetically designed to be perfect soldiers, they’re already made for specific purposes

[next bobcat]

Yeah. Taken are more just “take control of as much cannon fodder as possible”

[ember storm]

Taken are just a bunch of otherwise mindless drones the witness caught under its control to act as trash mobs

[next bobcat]

Cool

[ember storm]

They don’t actually do anything

[ember storm]

Being taken already affects your armor and weapons

Vex chassis are essentially full body prosthetics for the radiolaria

[next bobcat]

True.

Can you cleanse taken? Or is it a permanent affliction?

[ember storm]

You can, as evidenced by the techeuns and riven

It’s just like, yknow

Are you going to bother with doing that against hostiles you’d be shooting anyway

[dim minnow]

That sparrow is for Niik, an Eliksni who took up Amanda's role after her death

[slim girder]

I hope we meet niik as a character. I think they've been seen before working on that sparrow but they don't speak.

[dim minnow]

Maybe they will bring her in with a shipwright rework

[next bobcat]

Bungie could save destiny 2 with a ship battle mode

And ships could actually have use

[dim minnow]

Ketchcrash was like this but only really in setting

[trim grotto]

Jumpships generally aren't armed.

They'd need a massive mechanical and visual overhaul for every... single... jumpship.

[dim minnow]

a mode that's a mix between Ketchcrash and Gambit would be a neat idea

like each team has their ketch and must take down the other

players can either do objectives on their own ketch to deal damage to the other, or can go and attack the crew directly

[slim girder]

Been watching some old cutscenes and I noticed that in the final shape intro where one of the astronauts is going through the elements, they're doing a bunch of different hand motions so it made me wonder if there's an "art" to wielding light or dark. Like you see them make a clenched hand for arc but then for stasis they make a fist.

Solar the hand is outstretched with the flames sitting on their hand, strand is flowing all over their arm and void it seems to just hover above their hand.

[sleek matrix]

i would say there is

a level of control yes

and as guardians we have mastered that long ago

[slim girder]

Incinerator snap might be a good example. Snapping your fingers by creating friction of some kind which generates heat and as a guardian this can translate into solar light

[slim girder]

I like to think for guardians it's something that comes naturally. Like a mental imprint that they instinctly know.

[jagged badge]

Not really

Many Guardians are still learning how to wield the Light

Most Guardians are still mastering just one subclass

[paper kiln]

Anybody know what that city is near the cosmodrome? I first saw it during the cayde’s stash mission during d1 and when they added the cosmodrome during d2 it was still there

[dapper moss]

there definitely is

the cutscenes of us learning strand have a lot of flowing and pulling motions

and stasis is very focused on like brute strength and bulky motions

[ember storm]

City?

[dapper moss]

case in point the fist and us forcefully breaking out of the freeze when we channel stasis in beyond light

[slim girder]

I meant more as in learning to wield the light in the ways we usually see. Like they instinctly know they can use it but through mastery can turn it into the subclasses we know.

[paper kiln]

I’ll get a picture

[slim girder]

I did notice that with strand and stasis. Again it seems to have certain hand motions tied to it almost. Obviously this would be different per class though.

[dapper moss]

warlock stasis is very like

evocative?

and magicky

hunter and titan stasis are definitely more aggressive and calculatingly brutal

[jagged badge]

I like how Stasis abilities have that kinda magic circle style imprint on the ground during use

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-beyond-light-stranger-stasis-exo-stranger-gif-19025454

Oh it’s even on her hand here

[slim girder]

My personal favourite example was when eris had crystals growing around her when she met drifter on europa. Almost like the circles you see in a zen garden

[dapper moss]

the square crystal marks

yeah

[ember storm]

Well it’s in Russia, so

Probably not anywhere specific

[jagged badge]

The Cosmodrome is inspired by the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan so potentially it’s some city near that area? If there is one

If not, it’s some random city invented in the Golden Age. Off the top of my head I couldn’t say it’s even been relevant so

[paper kiln]

I Guess its Tyuratam

[jagged badge]

[paper kiln]

Speaking of cities i wish bungie kept the idea for old Chicago

[blazing wasp]

We're talking several hundred years ahead of modern times

It could be a new city bot here today

[jagged badge]

Yeah, we have no definitive answer for you I’m afraid

[blazing wasp]

Could be a improved upon place that used to be a small village now

Could he a known, named place even today

Be*

[paper kiln]

I’m just gonna assume it’s a golden age city considering that the closest city to Baikonur (Tyuratam) is a small city with a railway station

It’s a nice little detail to the art design of destiny though

[paper kiln]

I was in the mission in d1 to get cayde’s Stealth drive from Rasputin’s bunker war-4 and a scannable suggests that in the bunker they were trying to “co-op fallen technology” does that mean that the seraphim bunker was still active after the collapse (like people still working inside the bunker) and was abandoned or did I misinterpret what cayde said because I don’t think we were aware of the fallen during the golden age

[ember storm]

You sure it’s not the other way around?

Fallen and hive breaking into Rasputin bunkers was a regular occurrence in D1

[paper kiln]

It seems like every race in destiny has broken into one of rasputin’s bunkers at this point

But nah from what it sounded like Cayde was talking about weapons testing on fallen technology and another scannable also suggests there were other people involved in waking up Rasputin although that could have been Ana bray

Like there were people who doing research inside the bunker

[slim girder]

Another thing I want to add to this is the visions back in vanilla D2 about different guardians using those respective elements. Like how ikora teaches how to call the storm through breathing techniques.

[winter edge]

How can alien races like Cabal and Fallen understand human language?

[empty fern]

Magic space translator tech edition

[ember storm]

they learn it

translators are not currently used in lore, only at the very beginning

Caiatl took specific effort to learn our own language, she's referenced sun tzu multiple times

variks takes advantage of being fallen to intentionally speak a broken version to appear weaker

plus, if there was some kind of automatric translation tech that worked for comms, there'd be no reason for Variks to be running point in the house of wolves campaign to relay their orders and speeches

[desert iris]

Do you think theres a lore reason why we have a pyramid vessel or did niiks refashion part of the pyramid scale into a ship like she did with the sparrow

[dim minnow]

Pyramid ships vary in size

[desert iris]

true

Would guardians even be able to pilot them
I remember hearing that pyramid vessels wanted a new owner from somewhere

[flat crystal]

do we know why the vex experience time all at once or do they just do that

[dim minnow]

could be tied to their origin

the Black Garden does grow both into the past, and into the future

[vestal summit]

the fuck are these?

[dim minnow]

weird exo-vex growth

[vestal summit]

Maya must have been into some freaky stuff before the collapse.

[jagged badge]

?

[vestal summit]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-otacon-its-like-one-of-my-japanese-animes-otaku-nerd-gif-18137091

[slim girder]

Her version of "flowers" since she was trying to replicate the golden age

[vestal summit]

that kinda makes sense.

[runic widget]

I had a friend tell me that cayde and crow made out when they were alone in the traveler. Did that actually happen?

[trim grotto]

...

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest your friend meant made up. As in, Cayde forgave him on account of him not being Uldren.

[ruby pivot]

i agree with mael on this one

[small quartz]

Yes

[grizzled zinc]

Honestly considering it was a special delivery kiosk thing for final shape pre order, i do not believe bungie wanted us to analyse it so closely.

[ember storm]

But what if

[jagged badge]

They definitely made out

[fast tapir]

[severe meadow]

[analog torrent]

Assume that if someone says something romantic happened in Destiny, it did not happen unless everyone keeps pointing fingers at a specific loretab, and even then you have to read the loretab yourself to ensure that they aren't just making shit up (ahem Mark of the Great Hunt)

Bungie isn't explicit about whether something is intended to be romantic from what I've seen

[jagged badge]

That aside, Cayde and Crow definitely made out

Trust

[analog torrent]

[small quartz]

It is now my birthday, and because it is my birthday I ask a birthday lore question

Do guardians celebrate anything of the sorts?

Because the closest thing I’m aware of is dares of eternity

[dim minnow]

nothing on this

[slim girder]

They might not celebrate birthdays but they do still celebrate stuff like with the dawning and festival of the lost.

[small quartz]

no like

traveller day

[slim girder]

Yeah they probably don't celebrate that kind of thing as they are immortal.

Their ghost would remember it most likely. Our ghost gets all lovey dovey when talking about when they first found us so I think a first res is special for a ghost

[patent lion]

Is that seraph helmet?

[jagged badge]

Wrong channel?

[patent lion]

Also why the 110 recovery

[solid raptor]

nope it's the Scatterhorn because why not

[patent lion]

Ohhhhh

[solid raptor]

Oh ya this is the wrong channel sorry mate

[jagged badge]

No worries haha

[river bronze]

Was the “it’s on Enceladus” retconned to be Europa

[trim grotto]

No.

It was never referring to the Deep Stone Crypt.

You just got Byf'd.

[ember storm]

I like to think he was just stupid

[fresh zephyr]

bif

[jagged badge]

[dim minnow]

Aw man, I must have missed a banger

[jagged badge]

Fortnite was better

Iirc that was literally it lmao

[ember storm]

Fortnite is automatically brought down a grade for having Destiny content

That ruins everything

[fast tapir]

real

[frigid sparrow]

so.. what's the deal with liminality? there being like, dozens of ahamkara bones in the traveler?

[trim grotto]

It's a bit of a mysterious one, but like everything within the Traveler, it is a creation of memories. They aren't literal bones, per se.

[frigid sparrow]

like, obviously just spitballing here, but since the pale heart seems to be made up of "memories" IE the various locations important to it and us (dreaming city, Io, cosmodrome, etc) is the presence of the ahamkara meant to be representative of the great hunt? or a manifestation of crow's use of a wish to get inside/bring back cayde?

[trim grotto]

Ikora and Zavala both were around for the Great Hunt, but it may also be a memory of the Witness. The memories generally seem more literal than a representation of Riven's Wish

[frosty belfry]

what happened to like sports and entertainment and music and the such in the destiny universe because i don’t see or hear about any of that in the tower or farm

[low gyro]

there's probably music, i mean the tfs trailer showed an eliksni playing a string instrument

[jagged badge]

The farm had football

[fast tapir]

waiting for someone to say it was soccer

[ember storm]

If you call it soccer when you’re in a place that doesn’t then you’re a clown

Anyway regular TV still exists, crucible broadcasting is just an additional thing, it’s not their only source of entertainment

The city isn’t just a bunch of refugees huddling in tents, it’s a fully functioning society

[fast tapir]

do they have like

eliksni drama shows

[small quartz]

Those people immediatley died when the Traveller arrived

[vestal summit]

Maya Sundaresh is Lakshmi right? if Maya entered the vex network and split into a million pieces, then how come lakshmi exists?

[jagged badge]

Not exactly

Lakshmi is kinda funky

[vestal summit]

Do we know what happened or do we not have any info?

[jagged badge]

We do. Her origin is touched on in the Veil Containment logs

You can find a playlist of that dialogue on the Destiny Lore Vault YouTube channel

[vestal summit]

Does that explain lakshmi's existence?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[vestal summit]

Aight, i'll check it out.

[ember storm]

Is a facsimile its archetype? No

[analog torrent]

There was a Quebecois Lightbearer in Achilles Weaves a Cocoon and there were survivors north of NYC in the Lenape Valley so a decent chunk of Americans prolly survived

At the time of the Collapse, globalization was in full swing
Last Days On Kraken Mare, in particular, shows a shitton of different cultures mixing

and something about Chicago idk

[grave moon]

I was reading through lore chat because I was bored and saw this

[small quartz]

They’re so gay

I wonder how exo anatomy works

[dull raft]

i believe that exos are identical to humans anatomy wise, or at least on the outside (makes them hit DER less, according to clovis?)

[ember storm]

They also have internal elements and functions that emulate the human body, ie lungs to breathe, the urge to eat/sleep, etc

[tough kettle]

whenver i see cayde my gaydar goes off... takes one to know one

[tough kettle]

yerp.... i got that built-in to my hardware...

[small quartz]

This is actually real

[small quartz]

Yeah but do they have gonads

[tough kettle]

nah

not functioning ones at least

i think its implied exos have "parts" idk where tho

[dim minnow]

Exos are given the "need to reproduce" according to Braytech

[trim grotto]

Which, in turn, implies a way to act upon that need.

[dim minnow]

[cinder geode]

[lavish anvil]

Question, what happened to Eramis after beyond light? I know she's currently off sol trying to find her wife, but what happened to her between being frozen and leaving Sol

[ember storm]

Season of plunder she’s released from her stasis prison by the Witness who wants her to collect a series of artifacts, which is thwarted by us working with house light and drifter

[warped scarab]

Imagine if you could set a certain theme as music when you are in orbit.

[ember storm]

Afterwards is season of the seraph where Eramis takes a backseat in leu of Xivu Arath, with a good amount of Eramis’ house being raised as scorn as punishment

[warped scarab]

I'd instantly choose deep stone lullaby

[ember storm]

She tries using Rasputin’s weapons against the traveler, which fails, and becomes further disillusioned with the witness

After that is a brief appearance in Defiance where she helps save Mithrax’s life before just disappearing completely

[lavish anvil]

i see

[warped scarab]

R.I.P. Rasputin ;-;

[ember storm]

Emotional moment where Ana basically tears out his brainstem

super awesome

[lavish anvil]

thanks alot, from a quick search i could only find the lore tab for nostos but between that and beyond light it was rlly hard to find info abt

[warped scarab]

Just with that one moment. Copletely deleted everything.
Everything she worked so hard for.

[lavish anvil]

wait was it ever mentioned that Eramis's wife is dead or did that get retcon

[ember storm]

Not to my knowledge

They just parted ways a while ago

[lavish anvil]

i see

[frigid sparrow]

She was on Riis when Eramis left. We don't know if Athrys is still alive or died as a result of the whirlwind's lasting effects on Riis, but Eramis seemed hopeful in her survival when she set out to return to her home planet, wanting to spend the last of her days with her mate

[jagged badge]

That’s not true

Riis was like over a millennia ago

What Beyond Light’s lore establishes is that Eramis sent her partner away to another star before setting her empire in motion

[lavish anvil]

just checked some lore stuff and Athrys is very much alive

[frigid sparrow]

Oh lol I had misread that part lmao thought it was just some others

[ember storm]

Why is it called Athrys’ embrace when Eramis hasn’t felt the touch of her in years

[lavish anvil]

i can be specific, cause i just had such a big lore read, the Eliksni are so interesting to me

In the third entry of "Achilles Weaves a Cocoon" book

there was this exchange

"She knows what she risks. Why else would she have sent her mate and children to another star?"

"Athrys is gone?" Woeful news; she was Eramis's guiding glint. "You always have a way out. I want a part of it—"