📚lore-discussion

[mellow flicker]

Like it is something else living with the traveler

[static bluff]

ok yeah I listened to them again I was wrong, they're all memories, visions, feelings etc. of the traveler. micah does go into third person to speak about the traveler a couple of times but mostly it's basically the traveler's thoughts being expressed directly through her

[sonic lion]

do debates happen here

[ember storm]

the traveler being sentient was never in question, really

the pale heart is the only thing “inside” the traveler

it’s not like an egg

[static bluff]

actually do we know for sure that topologically we were inside the traveler?

[static bluff]

boberto era lore discussion

[mellow flicker]

Okay cool

[mellow flicker]

Yeah, but why can't it fucking talk more?

[static bluff]

it can't talk at all

[ember storm]

it prefers not to because it knows for a fact people would twist its words and try to use it as an excuse to do terrible things, or misinterpret it entirely

[empty fern]

Magic

[static bluff]

or yeah if it can, that

[ember storm]

remember the last time it spoke directly to an individual and gave them a chance?

[static bluff]

what we got in the pale heart wasn't even the traveler talking, it was its memories that micah can only attempt to interpret

[ember storm]

That was Clovis, and it tried desperately to convince him not to continue experimenting with clarity

He took it as a challenge

[static bluff]

like there was no direct communication, what micah said may not have been word for word what was really there

[mellow flicker]

Then why use the speaker?

[mellow flicker]

Sure it can act

[ember storm]

the speaker was active while the traveler was “dead” following the collapse

[mellow flicker]

Giving a sword of light and stuff

[ember storm]

While his intentions were genuine, he still lied to the whole of humanity city the entire time

[static bluff]

the speaker explicitly said "I never said it spoke to me" in the red war

[ember storm]

The traveler told him directly it doesn’t need speakers before he died

[mellow flicker]

I still don't understand that part. Possibly because I left right after last wish was completed

[ember storm]

That really has nothing to do with year 1 content

But sure

After fighting off the black fleet during the collapse and then creating all the ghosts, the traveler was wounded and left dormant

it essentially went into a coma

it had no capacity to communicate at all, and all the speaker could do was listen for its idle dreams

everything he did was his own decision and conclusions

[mellow flicker]

That's my point

[static bluff]

huh so was he just antagonising ghaul when he said the traveler doesn't speak to him? or was he saying it doesn't speak to him anymore

[mellow flicker]

Didn't the traveler heal later in year 2 or 3?

[ember storm]

it never spoke to him

[ember storm]

the traveler woke up during year one

when it broke out of the red legion’s cage

[mellow flicker]

I mean yeah, but healing?

[ember storm]

it was fractured but more active than it had been in a millennium

healing isn’t the point

[static bluff]

so how did it communicate that it doesn't need speakers?

[ember storm]

it was comatose before

[mellow flicker]

Ok

[ember storm]

the speaker was born post-collapse

no speakers got any visions

it was only until the very end of the red war, just before the traveler broke free, that it gave him that message

it was awake before breaking out, but not for very long

[static bluff]

oh my bad I misread

[ember storm]

it’s like if you fought off a bunch of guys, then went into a coma

while you’re in the coma, someone puts you in a weird blanket

you whisper to someone that it’s okay for them to leave now before you tear the blanket off

[static bluff]

yeah I understand I just got the timeline wrong

[ember storm]

just replace “leave” with “accepting death” since the speaker was a prisoner of war and was tortured for months at that point

he was at peace before he died, at least

[mellow flicker]

Well, duh. Fucking tortured

[vale cradle]

Sorry, how did we get into the Traveler again?
What was Mara's job in the first mission?
I only remember that we used Riven to send Crow through the portal.

[lofty badge]

Mara used her conncetion with crow to open the portal for us

its how we got trough

from how i understood it

[slim elk]

Space magic basically

[analog torrent]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/iron-forerunner-helm
Saladin's life when he was first Risen. It was not pretty. Later, this:

Saladin remembers all this and more when he looks at the Crow. He feels rage form a hot pit in his belly when Osiris tells him about the young Lightbearer's suffering at the hands of his fellow Guardians. Osiris asks him if he can keep a secret.

"I don't like secrets," Saladin says, and that's the end of it.
What secret is Savathun(?)/Osiris talking about?

It looks like he doesn't know that Crow was Uldren Sov in his past life, and that's the secret Osiris was trying to tell him. Did he decline hearing the secret because he didn't think Crow's suffering could be justified?

Also who's the Saladin writer? All the Saladin lore is so peak

[empty fern]

Probably Saladin

[still bay]

how does a cosmic space horse fit into destiny lore?

[jagged badge]

Tbh we don’t really know lmao

I don’t know if there’s any lore on Starhorse really

[empty fern]

Clearly

Destiny is just referencing

Nvm, the horses name wasn’t destiny

[analog torrent]

I need to know this is peak fiction and I must see more of it

Binocular reflection catches his sight over the smoldering cliff, looking down in his direction. Unfamiliar voices echo across the rocks. A figure calls out, and others join them. Between hacking coughs, Saladin counts half a dozen hostiles. His fingers ache with chill, and his lungs sting as if coated in rime. He exhales unsteadily. For a moment, Saladin imagines Lady Jolder plunging through the clouds, booming with laughter. He imagines her obliterating the cliffside with a colossal javelin of Arc lightning without hesitation. These nameless men die, and she keeps laughing until Saladin joins. His near miss becomes an embarrassing story embellished round a campfire until another takes its place, and it is forgotten. Lucidity falters, and in this moment, he can almost breathe the ash. Smell the stormy night air. Feel the warmth of the fire, of his friends. As real as worn memories, rosed with age.

Saladin remembers what it was like to be young. He remembers the exhilaration of discovering the infinite power he now holds in his hands. He remembers the terror, too—his first death and the agony of a ruptured lung. His mouth had been too full of blood to form words or plead with his Ghost, so he tried with his eyes instead.

Flowery prose that invokes strong imagery 🔥

Detailed without being purple 🔥

[final stream]

When did Mara and Savathun stop being mysterious

They seem a lot more chatty in final shape

[empty fern]

In final shape

That’s when

[final stream]

Oh

I thought savathun revealed too much

[ember storm]

Savathun was always chatty

And Mara stopped being mysterious after oryx kicked her door in and basically infected her house with mold

[lapis thistle]

The greatest description of taken king right there

[vale cradle]

Pretty sure it's not meant to be taken seriously

[gilded coral]

is it true that oryx once punched a moon so hard that it caused a singularity?

[stark fjord]

Is there any lore about Icarus dash?

Did a warlock fly too close to the sun and learn to dodge?

[sonic lion]

in frontiers, are we going to leave sol?

[trim grotto]

We don't know anything about Frontiers.

[timber linden]

Do any of you remember that one cutscene of the drifter and a shadow of yor wielding “thorn”, And do you think we will ever get any more glimpses of them, from what i can tell they haven’t been mentioned since.

[trim grotto]

They haven't, because they were a random unnamed Shadow who didn't really matter to the story.

[timber linden]

Are they still as active then? They’re so badass, i’d do anything to become one in game.

[trim grotto]

There are a small amount still active but I think you don't actually know what the Shadows are in the grand scheme of things
A scheme being an accurate way to describe them actually

[timber linden]

What’s your personal opinion on them then? out of curiosity do you agree with some of there points? would you like to see them in game again?.

[trim grotto]

Originally, the Dredgens were formed by those who sought to follow in the footsteps of Dredgen Yor and wield similar power to the infamous mass murderer.

Eventually, along came Shin Malphur. Shin had undergone some self discovery, and came to the conclusion that learning to ride the line, wield Dark without corruption, was something we needed to learn to do.

He came to Drifter, and they set up a deal. Drifter's work, using Shin as a boogeyman, reforged the title of Dredgen. Through Gambit, making things like Malfeasance, we learned that a little bit of Darkness was something we could learn to use safely.

However, some of the old Dredgens wanted more. They wanted to learn to surpass Dredgen Yor. So Shin Malphur and some allies of his created a scheme.

Shin himself created the Shadows of Yor, superficially for those who wanted to surpass Yor. In reality, it was a way for Shin to track and keep an eye on those who delved too deep... and to know exactly who to put down.

[timber linden]

That’s interesting, is shin ever mentioned or recognised in his doings? by the vanguard. Seems only right? fitting character for crows spot.

[trim grotto]

The Vanguard aren't really a fan of his form of justice, but they allow his actions nonetheless. He is a loner, doesn't really interact with the City. If you're referring to the Hunter Vanguard position, there's absolutely no way he or the Vanguard would accept it.

[hollow hinge]

Crow just filled it as well so like... that ain't changing for a few years lol

If ever

[stark fjord]

i dont get riven lore tbh

so the old lore books

did uldren find riven before or after

the hunt

and if it was before

who tf abandoned a baby aharmkara

[ember storm]

as sentient as they are, they’re still animals

they do not have societies or culture

they mate, have spawn, and then continue on with their lives

Uldren found riven before the great hunt, and she was kept a secret all throughout her time with the awoken

[willow dagger]

@empty fern can you send the Pulled Pork thing again? It was so cute!

[broken relic]

Shin is a myth made up by Big Darkness to make keeping track of the Light's capabilities more convoluted

[analog torrent]

Does anyone have a link to the full Stjephan Sejic art series that Byf commissioned(?) for his TLW video? Found some of them online but it looks like his deviantart doesn't have them anymore. The collection I found is missing the paintings of Shaxx with Rezyl and adult Shin confronting Yor.

[west cloak]

cyrell ingame when

[empty fern]

The what

[willow dagger]

The Pulled Pork ghost thing?

Did you post it yesterday?

[empty fern]

Oh crows ghost

No that was someone else

[willow dagger]

Omg

I’m sorry

[empty fern]

.

[willow dagger]

Whatever happened to Pulled Pork? Did he find his guardian?

[willow dagger]

Thanks

[outer dragon]

LOL

[willow dagger]

Did I miss something?

[outer dragon]

No, just giggling at the whole thing

Pulled Pork is Glint

[willow dagger]

No way

[outer dragon]

Pulled Pork was the name given to Glint by others

[willow dagger]

No waaayyyy

[outer dragon]

You a goober

[willow dagger]

So how did he end up finding crow?

[outer dragon]

We actually saw it in a cutscene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evJPzdkwy04

[willow dagger]

Omg is there written lore for it? I wanna know if Glint says anything to crow

[outer dragon]

Not to my knowledge

[willow dagger]

Omggg

@trim grotto

If someone knows, he knows

[outer dragon]

oh actually, I found something

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/i-sparky-and-the-scrivener

Not sure how close this is to his rez but this is where the name Glint is chosen for Crow's ghost

and here is where he was named Crow
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ii-identity#book-a-tangled-web

[willow dagger]

Wha-

Why were people so mean to Crow?! I mean he did kill Cayde but geez

[outer dragon]

Yeah, because they didn't know he had been rez'd by a ghost and knew about the whole Cayde thing

[willow dagger]

Omg

When it said glint was telling him the rules, what are the rules?

[outer dragon]

There are a few different things it can be
Since the Vanguard explicitly forbids people looking into their pre-rez life, that might be it. Especially since Glint says he "can't" tell Crow his old name

[willow dagger]

How long was crow dead before he was rez’d?

[dim minnow]

well let's see

the cutscene we got was during one of the Queen's Court visits which happened every three weeks

[outer dragon]

Was Forge the season released with Forsaken? I wasn't playing then

[dim minnow]

no, Forsaken was Season of the Outlaw

[outer dragon]

The Queens Court for that cutsene was Loop 5 BTW

[dim minnow]

ok, so the cutscene where we see Uldren get revived was on the 5th loop

which would mean he was rezzed 15-16 weeks after we killed him

give or take

[blazing wasp]

So he was dead for like, almost 4 months ish

[willow dagger]

That’s not that long! Aren’t most guardians like dead for a long time before they get ~ghosted~

Why couldn’t glint tell him his previous name? Everyone else was going to bc he hadn’t been dead that long

[dim minnow]

I think Glint himself wasn't aware until a bit later

but he did know at some point

I think he didn't feel that it was the right time

[remote sky]

How does xivu BE the god of war tho? Does she turn a species onto itself? Does she go to war with the entire species? Does she simply make an ongoing war significantly worse?

[empty fern]

She goes to war with entire species

Or, since her worm feeds on conflict, she does all 3

[remote sky]

I see

What even was oryx?

SHIT

Typo

[empty fern]

Conquering I think? Some type of exploring stuff

[remote sky]

I made a typo in cunning 😭

[empty fern]

[remote sky]

Would explain that Navigator nickname

[empty fern]

Yea

[willow dagger]

Can someone explain the “No Rez For The Weary” chapter? How was the guardian frozen?

[empty fern]

Gimme more context, I’m too lazy to read it

[willow dagger]

“Fly to the Almighty and you will find him there, caught in the amber of slow time, reaching forever. I have observed his motions carefully. He will arrive at the mechanism and deactivate the trap in only a little more than fifty thousand years.”

[empty fern]

Oh the almighty ghost story

[empty fern]

Basically a guardian got caught in the almighty beam, and the ghost can’t res them due to, uhhhhh

Suspended animation? Or was it every atom of them was gone

[deep pagoda]

Was the Archology on Titan made by the Clovis bray foundation?

Or by an unknown corp

[willow dagger]

Who’s Savin?

[remote sky]

Have we figured out OXA and otzot yet

[blazing stream]

Y'know.. I noticed Byf is really obsessed with us losing Earth and going on an exodus. Like in Season of Arrivals "we gotta abandon earth with dead orbit"
Lightfall "were gonna lose earth"
Into the Light "we gotta evacuate earth"
Final shape "we might lose earth"
Like bruh, we ain't losing that shitty D2 tower, chill.
Frontiers even "were gonna leave Sol and explore the universe."

[remote sky]

I wouldn't mind going to a distant exoplanet and protecting it for a season

[blazing stream]

Man's done so much Destiny lore he wants to leave Sol so he doesn't have to cover the Ahamkara or Zavala for the 678th time

[blazing stream]

The OXA is referring to the Psion's prediction engine where they glimpse the past and possible futures like the Vex but.. psionic

Otzot is a Psion character who rebuilt after the Cabal empire destroyed the original when they subjugated the Psion species

[fast tapir]

i mean

you cant blame him lmao

i wanna see outside of Sol

[blazing stream]

Oh I'm not but dude has no faith in the indomitable Guardian spirit

[fast tapir]

lmao

[blazing stream]

Still waiting for Bungie to do a War Moon 3D model for skybox or a patrol zone

I wanna see the bug death stars

And then contemplate the age old question "what does it taste like?"

[trim grotto]

An early Awoken Warlock

[trim grotto]

It wasn't designed and run by them, no. The Titan Arcologies were independent colonies. However, there were CB executives and a corporate embassy.

Their tech may have also been involved in creating them, however.

[willow dagger]

Mael, welcome

[trim grotto]

[ember storm]

Mael, unwelcome

[trim grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-zlarb-gone-disappear-gif-15668282

[naive raptor]

Who is Maya Sunderesh?

[trim grotto]

Maya Sundaresh was a Golden Age Ishtar scientist who researched the Vex alongside her team, including her partner Chioma Esi.

You may have heard of the 227 before, who were that very research team, but simulated 227 times by a Vex unit before being saved by Rasputin and unleashed onto the Vex network.

[empty fern]

A single vex unit?

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-goblin-dancing-vex-dancing-goblin-gif-17984806

[halcyon grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

Yo the DYNASTY lore book is chef's kiss

[trim grotto]

indeed!
||though not one of those||

[ember storm]

Single goblins have like an absurd amount of processing power, for the record

[lofty badge]

do the vex view us as monsters like the still hostile fallen given we have been slaugthering them for so long?

[trim grotto]

Vex don't think like we do. Or any other species, really.

[lofty badge]

true true

or well the nessus vex have started to change, apparently even a full blown civil war between em

[ember storm]

The fallen that are hostile also don’t really see us as “monsters”

they just have their own personal vendetta against the traveler and life in general

Salvation was said to be helping with the final shape because they just want suffering to end

[lofty badge]

yeah

[lofty badge]

I mean they did see Saint as a monster

We have killled a lot of fallen too

[ember storm]

that was an entirely different situation

Saint earned himself boogieman stories because he was intentionally committing genocide

We kill pirates that are stealing from us and warlords trying to end our civilization

That doesn’t inspire horror stories

[lofty badge]

mabye not as much

[ember storm]

the closest thing you ever have is Phylaks acknowledging our feats like killing oryx

Nothing even related to fallen

they really don’t think about guardians like that

[lofty badge]

Yeah at this point it does seem too that most.. moraly good aligned fallen have joined house light

with remants of house dusks just being warlords, unreasonable crime bossses, pirates, etc

and House Salvation being House Salvation

they in a full blown civil war again seemingly according to crow after final shape

or at least "tearing itself apart"

[devout vine]

Here's a thought I've been pondering tooo

Have the scorn been fully restored to their eliksni selves following the echo coming into Fikrul's hands?

We saw in the recent look for the next few episodes of Vampire Fikrul surrounded by Vampire dregs

I didn't really see any Scorn wretches

[lofty badge]

That could be intrested if they have become more normal looking undead eliksni

hence the fallen vampire stuff they said about it

[devout vine]

Makes sense...
Vampires generally are associated with immortality

[lofty badge]

and also looking good + not mindless like zombies

[devout vine]

New ranks maybe

No chieftains or Captains

Maybe a Count

Countess

[lofty badge]

Perhaps that too

Yee

fits with the title of barons too

[devout vine]

Ooooh!!!!
I got one!!

[lofty badge]

could be more counts and such

oh?

[devout vine]

A vampire lieutenant

Drakuul

[lofty badge]

oh?

[devout vine]

Nice little vamp names for Fikrul's new supposed barons

Maybe....
And just maybe...

The scorn barons could be resurrected the same way

[lofty badge]

likly

we know the barons could be resurrected

[devout vine]

I miss Pirrha

My fav baron

[lofty badge]

Fikrul just never got a chance to it, cause we kept killing him

and stomped on his efforts

then he was driven from the tanlged shore and then the witness took command of the majority of the scorn

[lofty badge]

in some season of the wish lore it did say Fikrul was in command of a ketch but he was on purpose keeping some living fallen alive to pilot it @devout vine

🤔

[devout vine]

Perhaps it could elude to a bigger plan when Revenant comes around

He kept them alive for a reason

[lofty badge]

Yeah

[devout vine]

But now that the Echo he has, empowered him

[lofty badge]

he may be wanting to forge his own future for the fallen

[devout vine]

He now has the means to command whole legions of Eliksni

[lofty badge]

true immortality for his race in the form of vampire fallen

[lofty badge]

Yeah with the witness gone too he can resert command over the scorn again

i do hope Revenant gives us a new patrol zone...

but that's just copium hoping

[devout vine]

But will they feast on ether?

Or will they be real vampires and feast on all types of blood?

Will there be Nosferatu Eliksni?

[lofty badge]

not sure

Mabye they will suck ether out of other fallen and infect them too in some way?

that would fit with the vampire stuff

[devout vine]

Oooh virulence factors

How could I forget about that...

[smoky grail]

The factions executors dipped two years ago, what exactly happened to 'em? Don't care for spoiling

[lofty badge]

You mean the faction leaders from the last City?

[smoky grail]

Mhm, Hideo and the other two

[ember storm]

They attempted genocide against our Eliksni allies and were subsequently killed in the battle or fled the city

[smoky grail]

THEY WHAT?!!

[ember storm]

Lakshmi specifically

[lofty badge]

The two others vanished

[ember storm]

There was “some” trickery done by Savathun, but Lakshmi looked into her prediction engine and saw a future where the vanguard would be dead/exiled and she would control the city as a sovereign state

[lofty badge]

Mabye they went to chill with Lysander

Yep

[ember storm]

Hideo and Jalaal were in on it, so when Lakshmi’s plan blew up in her face (she died) they fled the city

[smoky grail]

Damn, they got Molly Wopped hard

[lofty badge]

Yee

No idea where they have been since then

[smoky grail]

Then, who's gonna take the factions over?

[ember storm]

Nobody

They disbanded

Or left

[smoky grail]

What does it mean?

[ember storm]

What does what mean

[lofty badge]

The factions broke apart

[ember storm]

Well most of FWC weren’t actually down for committing genocide and stirring up an insurrection so a bunch resigned

It was only Lakshmi’s personal council left at the end, really

[lofty badge]

Yeah

[smoky grail]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wire-clay-davis-shit-sheeit-isiah-whitlock-jr-gif-20285534

[lofty badge]

The city have more or less been Vanguard controlled since then

[smoky grail]

Ooooof... Damn, and I thought they were cool this whole time!

[lofty badge]

Kek

[ember storm]

In retrospect, a faction built on the idea of war happening isn’t usually the kind one

[smoky grail]

Man, talking about turning your back on your homies

[lofty badge]

Do we know if dead orbit and new Monarch tried to leave the system or are they just Living out in the wilds of earth now with Lysander?

[ember storm]

definitely not earth

They just left

[lofty badge]

Got cha

[smoky grail]

Welp... Thanks for the info y'all

[lofty badge]

Np

[smoky grail]

Plus, that pfp... Cute

[lofty badge]

Do we know how house light and Imperial Cabal first reacted to eachother after the Imperial Cabal became official allies in season of the risen?

[empty fern]

Don’t think so

[ember storm]

Probably “damn you live like this?” on both sides

then just a bunch of “the light provides” and “we eat the mountains, we drink the seas”

[lofty badge]

Lol

[outer dragon]

We don't know the origin of the trap. We haven't gotten any more lore on that guardian or their ghost. Which sucks because the Almighty was destroyed so either they are safe and still trapped or dead

[empty fern]

Hopefully the ghost was able to rez

[lofty badge]

yee

Also did Savathun and Immaru plan all along for Savathun to die, then to have Immaru bring her back as a Lightbearer and then trick untold thousands of Guardianless ghosts to join the hive?

[jagged badge]

Basically

[lofty badge]

or was Immaru always ment to raise Savathun mixed with tricking guardianless ghosts to join the lucent brood?

[jagged badge]

There was still a gamble of whether the Traveler would even allow it to happen ofc

[lofty badge]

got cha

[lapis thistle]

i want some new lore about siva and the iron lords i think that part of destiny lore has so much potencial

[analog torrent]

Real

Dark Age/early City Age lore was so peak

[jagged badge]

I mean, SIVA doesn’t really have much potential that hasn’t already been used/shown

It’s just technology. We’ve faced it used by our enemies and we’ve seen it used for its intended purpose of colonisation, and then directly improved on with Quicksilver

[analog torrent]

Seeing more about how it was used during the Golden Age would be cool

[lapis thistle]

i mean ye siva ye but iron lords come on

[analog torrent]

Acts of Mercy is peak fiction

Lore that only talks about a tiny settlement and a mortal warlord but with broader implications about how the Iron Lords operate and what the Dark Age was like 🔥

[lapis thistle]

fr

[broken relic]

SIVAAAAA ❤️🖤❤️🖤❤️🖤❤️

[outer dragon]

Man with no name is the best dark age book

[willow dagger]

[outer dragon]

I know, I've been campaigning for the end to their story for a while now

[uneven canyon]

Why are there classes?

[cinder geode]

Cuz the traveler said so

[burnt jacinth]

How are ghosts born? I know they're from the traveler but what does it look like when the travel "births" them

[cinder geode]

They just spawn in

[fast tapir]

@ember storm i think this is for you

[ember storm]

Well, for starters, it only happened once

There is a limited number of ghosts and there probably won’t be any more

It was also sort of unceremonious, there wasn’t any meaningful buildup

If I were to supply some kind of visual reference:

https://tenor.com/view/starro-the-suicide-squad-suicide-squad-spores-gif-24191078

[cinder geode]

Some are still searching for their guardian to this day

[ember storm]

A lot of them resorted to joining the lucent hive, but yes, there is still a meaningful amount of those unpaired

[cinder geode]

Like the ones in alone in the dark

[ember storm]

Well those aren’t really looking for guardians

[cinder geode]

They're still unpaired ghosts

[pastel nacelle]

What is the best expansion story wise?

[cinder geode]

The final shape

[uneven canyon]

So does anyone know what the Witness was saying?

Also is there a translation for Dread languauge yet?

[west cloak]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RxAFhTee4RL25Q6xI9gNBI1Sc-9mRhQYHfD86nDJ9VU/edit?gid=1986819052#gid=1986819052

this is what they have so far for dread

[analog torrent]

How long did it take you guys to read all the lorebooks
Just finished the Shadowkeep/Undying lorebooks and it's been 2 months since I started from Forsaken/Outlaw

[ember storm]

Oh there’s a lot I just never read

[trim grotto]

I didn't exactly count it

[outer dragon]

I find the answer the that question makes people think I have issues

[willow dagger]

Omg did you read all of them?!

[willow dagger]

Become orange

[trim grotto]

As far as I am aware, yes. Plus a lot of other bits and bobs and entries.

[willow dagger]

Woah, Mael you’re dedicated!

[trim grotto]

I think it's pretty neat-o

[cold onyx]

I thought Cayde was used perfectly in the campaign

And he was here for just the right amount of time

[willow dagger]

I think you’re pretty neat

[trim grotto]

[echo musk]

cuteness

[ruby cedar]

OOH this is why

people said stuff about Rohan

He bye bye! But didn't spend enough time with him to care though 😦

[smoky rose]

Yes

[ruby cedar]

LOL at the Rocky Training Montage before Attacking Calus

[lofty badge]

kek

[jagged badge]

Honestly one of my favourite cutscenes

[fiery imp]

Is there a lore reason those little green freaks can use strand in tfs? Did they already know how to use it when they got subjugated?

[trim grotto]

Dread were created. Those "little green freaks" used to be Psions.

Strand itself wasn't known until we ourselves fashioned it from the Weave

[empty fern]

Freaky little green beans

[gaunt solstice]

it would have been interesting to see the lightbearers/vanguard start raising a few eyebrows at the disciples of darkness after the end of TFS. i want answers. i want the stranger to not be so damn mysterious. maybe that's too much to ask for..

[trim grotto]

You might have to elaborate. What do you want from the Disciples?
And the Stranger? The Exo Stranger? Elsie Bray has been rather straightforward with us for years now.

[gaunt solstice]

i wanna know how they started using the darkness and when they started using it

[trim grotto]

Well, we know when and why Rhulk did. We know when and why Emperor Calus did. We know when and why for those who nearly became Disciples, that being Eramis and Savathûn. The only one we don't really know much about is Nezarec.

And that one unnamed Disciple who exists in a single lore page

[frank carbon]

Was the speaker a warlock?

[trim grotto]

No.

He wasn't a Lightbearer at all.

[frank carbon]

Thanks man, I’ve always always wondered this

He was just the middle man

[gaunt solstice]

i made the mistake of conflating "darkness users" with "disciples of darkness" im mainly curious about the heroes who use darkness. it seems like the writers just kinda... brush over it.. so maybe its not as important as i think it is

[trim grotto]

It hasn't really been brushed over. The whole "we started using Darkness" thing has been going for years now.

[gaunt solstice]

basically. he recieved messages from the traveller through visions and dreams

[trim grotto]

Using Darkness is starting to become an accepted norm amongst certain people, but it certainly didn't start this way. Heck, it was still outlawed for some time after Beyond Light.

In fact, the whole process started before that, when Drifter and Shin's deal got us to learn to use Darkness and Taken Blight.

If you're curious about something specific, we can certainly help, because a lot of this is at least a little known about.

Not me, though. I must sleep now.

[gaunt solstice]

thank you for filling my mind

[rigid creek]

Does this have anything to do with Malfeasance? I've never done the quest but I recognize the Dredgens

[trim grotto]

It is directly relevant, yes.

Malfeasance and Gambit were some of our first steps in dipping our toes into Darkness without diving too deep or succumbing to corruption or power.

[ember storm]

“This is what the taken feel, revel in it” was fairly unsettling at first, drifter basically forcing you to use darkness for your team’s success

Six years of it kinda makes it lose the edge though

[empty fern]

Drifter fr knowing the taken secrets before savathun

[flat birch]

Does anyone know what's inside the cube looking thing in The Anomaly pvp map?

[flat birch]

Hive worm?

[gaunt solstice]

idk

i hope so

[flat birch]

That'd be lame

Maybe something cursed

[empty fern]

We don’t know

[ember storm]

It was a pyramid artifact pretty sure

The thing that told Clovis to go to Europa for clarity

But there’s something worse than the Vex involved, isn’t there? The secret you’ve been keeping from me. The breakthrough that you were promised after your visit to the K1 anomaly.

^ Elsie trying to convince Clovis in the logbook

[gaunt carbon]

just saw a video basically saying that the witness is shown as being as big as the eiffell tower in-game which is absolutely terrifying

[lofty badge]

even taller i would say

the Witness made itself a part of its own monolith while it was trying to do the final shape

[lofty badge]

are we evil for killing endless hordes of thralls since they are more or less Hive children?

[jagged badge]

No

[lofty badge]

[ruby cedar]

What an amazing Cinematic

I love who the witness say's to the traveler "be free

I just noticed this in the city

is that... new or was this foreshadowing?

[jagged badge]

It’s been a thing since Destiny 1, so neither

[ruby cedar]

OOH oki interesting

was funny to see it right after watching that cutscene !

[cinder geode]

Is there a lore reason for the spinning platforms

[flat birch]

Lol, well is there?

[empty fern]

It’s uhhhh

Part of the infrastructure

[vagrant bridge]

Oh yeah it's actually pretty complicated

So basically it's sick as fuck

[empty fern]

Real

[gaunt solstice]

what happened between destiny 1 and destiny 2? were the taken still around? who led them?

[cinder geode]

The witness and xivu could command the taken

[gaunt solstice]

ohh

[cinder geode]

Savathun could as well I believe but she didn't want too

[jagged badge]

I’m pretty sure it was Savathûn for ages through Quria

It was Savathûn after all who orchestrated the Endless Night in Splicer

[empty fern]

Who wanna talk about exotic designs, like how worldline zero is fallen themed

[gaunt solstice]

i thought it was a vex sword, hence the vex teleportation effect when you do a heavy attack

i was so hype to get dregs promise in lord of wolves

lol

house of wolves*

lord of wolves was broken

[ember storm]

Paragon revoked

[empty fern]

[ember storm]

Unironically though, particle effects combined with the structure of the sword itself (plus the Elsie lore tab)

Nothing about it is fallen

[empty fern]

One day

[ember storm]

https://www.dexerto.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=3840,quality=75,format=auto/https://editors.dexerto.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/12/C8kfgQLWAAEmPfG-1024x576.jpg

Compare it to D1 mythoclast because the textures on both just suck

[empty fern]

Both look fallen to me

[ember storm]

It’s got the fidget spinner mag and everything

Sentenced to 3 hours of sorting by new on r/destinythegame

[empty fern]

[floral flume]

And there is a triangle in it and our helper “ghost” as well.

[static bluff]

ghost mentioned 🗣️ 🔥

[analog inlet]

witness is stupid

dude really thought

ha

he did do it

tho, for a tiny bit

[hallow fulcrum]

Oh by the way with echoes , are we on a route to get vex with paracausal abilities maybe what do you all think

[lapis thistle]

He did the final shape in a moments but he step out, but off course we would win but that was close

[lofty badge]

mabye in some way

[empty fern]

Naur

[burnt jacinth]

chat does zavala have a jucie gyatt

[trim grotto]

I quite literally have no idea what that sentence means.

[burnt jacinth]

gyatt means big booty

[trim grotto]

Begone from my lore channel

[burnt jacinth]

alr mb

[fast tapir]

💀

[ember storm]

So is this like a monument to Rhulk’s pants or something

[fast tapir]

what brand of pant does rhulk wear

[ember storm]

Probably made from skinned Lubraen pets

[willow dagger]

Omg

[rich veldt]

nah im thinking its to his kicks

[lofty badge]

Witness issued pants

[silk gyro]

The Neomuni can leave the cloudark right?

[trim grotto]

They sure can

[silk gyro]

thanks

[sick yew]

We ever really got an answer how their digital bodies work anyway?

[indigo ermine]

what would the witness do if the final shape was successful and everything was frozen and still? i feel like they’d get bored, what is there to do after that? serious question, i keep thinking about it

[fast tapir]

i was wondering if it was also effected by it

or can it just move around freely when its active

[sick yew]

Do the same thing Thanos did after Infinity War

Chill out

[indigo ermine]

i never watched infinity war lol

[sick yew]

The point is that with the Final Shape complete there no longer is anything to do

No more birth
No more death

Perfect stillness

[indigo ermine]

that part makes sense, would the witness become still too?

[sick yew]

Not sure if id also use the final shape itself or just rest

It is mentioned by the deserters that they are put into the statues until they can be reintigrated into the final shape so thats definitely something they want to do

Who knows maybe after the Final Shape is properly secured the Witness would also use it on themselves
Actually fully killing the universe

[soft copper]

let me cook

[lapis thistle]

Bro this is not Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order

[ember storm]

Bungie will drop everything and put all their manpower into making unrelated armor, definitely

also why is this in lore chat

[soft copper]

only place I could find to send the picture

[soft copper]

bro I don’t care I want my hunter poncho

[jagged badge]

#🏆destiny-media

[soft copper]

Goat

[eager trout]

What is the lore of Ruinous Effigy?

[ember storm]

Just the plot of Arrivals

We get it at the start and that’s that

Witness sending us shit while Savathun tries blocking the signal

[eager trout]

What happened in Arrivals? And when was that?

[smoky grail]

This might be a very dumb question that would trigger anyone here, but... Is everyone allowed to have Ghosts (civilians included)? Or is it only reserved to guardians, the vanguard and pretty much the other characters?

[ember storm]

Final season for the Shadowkeep year

Pyramids come in and steal the planets

Witness sends us messages and Savathun tries blocking the signal

[ember storm]

You’re misunderstanding the process

A ghost has to find a corpse that they can link to the light and then resurrects them

The person has to be definitively dead

There is no application or recruitment process

They just go out and try to find their “one”

[smoky grail]

So... That means

[ember storm]

The ghost is what makes someone a “guardian”

They’re what brings them back to life, lets them use their powers, etc

Although Guardian is a title given to the group that specifically decides to use those powers for the good of humanity

You could very easily just be a selfish and destructive person with them

Just look at Savathun

[smoky grail]

Yeah..

[smoky grail]

So anyone can have their own ghosts, even if they can't fight at all?

[ember storm]

the person that lived their life and died is gone

when a ghost resurrects someone, they’re a blank slate

[smoky grail]

Wait, I think also remember in a post on Bungie official site that if they're brought back, their memories are deleted... Don't know if it's true

[ember storm]

It is, definitively

It’s an established fact regularly brought up everywhere

Again, look at Savathun

[smoky grail]

Damn...

[ember storm]

She lost her memories but also knew to record herself messages ahead of time to immediately get caught back up

It’s also shown with Crow, Ana Bray, Cayde, Zavala, Micah, etc

So it’s not like “you” get the ghost after you die

[smoky grail]

I see

[eager trout]

What is Ruinous Effigy made of?

[smoky grail]

But thanks for the answer, I hope I didn't awoken the wrath of... T H E N E R D S

[ember storm]

tree of silver wing material

literally just a hunk of what you could liken to wood

All you need to know about it is in the loretab

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ruinous-effigy

[eager trout]

I already read that, but I didn't know about the tree

How does it work?

[ember storm]

Literally the only information on the gun is in the lore tab

It’s not plot relevant

[cobalt mica]

where does verity take place in??

in the heart of the traveller or what

[sleek matrix]

The monolith of the witness seems to be built off a tree of silver wings

The verity encounter is in the heart of that

[stoic beacon]

I don't understand why there is a Raid where we fight Riven, but we helped her I think in the season of the wish. I don't really know the lore so that might explain the confusion

[trim grotto]

The raid took place first. Years beforehand.

Riven was Taken by Oryx and had been at the heart of the Dreaming City infection

[stoic beacon]

Ohhh

[trim grotto]

It was her death that began the Curse cycle of the City

Mara Sov and the Techeuns summoned Riven's spirit in Season of the Wish because we needed a Wish to enter the Pale Heart

[stoic beacon]

I get it now

How does Riven's lair tie into it tho

[trim grotto]

Riven's deal to preform the Wish was to get her egg clutch back. In the meantime, we also had to purge the lair of various horrible goblins, and protect the eggs we had already claimed back.

[stoic beacon]

Gotcha

Thank you, it was a random thought I had today

[dim minnow]

worth noting that the eggs were hidden within her lair

mostly

[trim grotto]

Some were anyway yeah

[dim minnow]

some were intercepted

[trim grotto]

Had to keep them out of Drifter's frypan

[dim minnow]

also they weren't in the lair until the right time too

[stoic beacon]

Angry birds type shi

[stoic beacon]

I get it now, thx

[grand jungle]

Ik it might not be real but I just found a funny lore bout ezlibeth

[dim minnow]

you mean Elsie?

[grand jungle]

yea

it was that when she was becoming a exo she wanted a bigger..back side

[ember storm]

not really

It’s just two Exos complaining that Elsie got her exo body built exactly the same size as her human one, whereas everyone else has standard stock frames

[grand jungle]

did we ever see her human body

[dim minnow]

closest we got was a picture of her and Ana when they were kids

even then it's not a very detailed one

[modern lodge]

could an exo like "repaint" themselves as in change the colour of their metal and maybe eyes?

[trim grotto]

We don't know exactly how much of an Exo can be changed or swapped out or such
But I'd hazard to guess yes

[modern lodge]

awsome

i feel bad for chaning the eye colour and what not if there is no lore reason

[trim grotto]

Hypothetically you'd just be swapping a bulb out
It's just that Exo are stupendously complex so Last City techs can only do so much

Though who knows what records the Neomuni have lying around

Laying, even

[dim minnow]

I don't even think they had exos ever since the Veil's radiation killed them off

(and when Chioma kicked Lakshmi out)

so I'm not sure if Neomuna really has any viable records pertaining to Exos

other than whatever Veil stuff Maya was doing

even then that stuff had to have been buried by Chioma

[trim grotto]

They may simply have relevant Golden Age records

[remote sky]

Apparently this bird of light has always existed!??

I thought it was just introduced in tfs

[dim minnow]

it first appeared in a cutscene that played in the Red War campaign

after Ghaul kicked us off of his ship

fun fact, we survived that fall even without our Light

[remote sky]

Yeah I wanted to see the speaker say the line so I decided to watch a red war movie

[dim minnow]

the impact even left a crater

[remote sky]

christ?!?

[dim minnow]

Guardians are tougher than you think

[remote sky]

This makes me think

What if we're the next speaker? We keep seeing damned visions n shit

And the first one we were even asleep lmao

[dim minnow]

the hawk would then be referenced again early on in Forsaken when we collect "visions of Light" which take the form of its feathers

[remote sky]

hoh

[dim minnow]

which is what led to us unlocking the first "middle tree"

[remote sky]

Middle tree?

[dim minnow]

this was before subclass 3.0

[remote sky]

Skill trees?!?

Sounds fucking sick ngl

[dim minnow]

the subclasses had three different "trees" to select (third one came with Forsaken)

[dim minnow]

it was... rather limiting

for example

say you wanted to use Throwing Hammer on Sunbreaker, you would have to use the middle tree (which was the one intriduced in Forsaken)

[broken relic]

Less trees and more forks

[remote sky]

Bruh

[broken relic]

There was only one path and grenade/class ability/jump

[remote sky]

Always how have I never heard this version of journey with the drums

[dim minnow]

however, that means you were forced to use Burning Maul as your super

[broken relic]

Your melee was limited to your tree too

[dim minnow]

that too

[remote sky]

god

[dim minnow]

but I don't think Grenade was

[broken relic]

Grenade wasn't but there were only 3 grenades per class

[dim minnow]

though back then each class had a specific selection of Grenades for each subclass they can use

[broken relic]

Yeah

[dim minnow]

Stasis was the first subclass to introduce the Fragment/Aspect system

[remote sky]

Wonder how long until Bungie realizes they can profit off of people like me wanting to play the first bit of d2

[dim minnow]

then throughout the year of Witch Queen, we gradually got the Light Subclasses updated with the same system as Stasis

[dim minnow]

you should realize that Y1 of D2 was not well regarded

[remote sky]

I know this. I simply want to play the campaigns

[dim minnow]

then I do share that sentiment

[broken relic]

Red War had some banger missions

[dim minnow]

anyways, as I was saying

so after Forsaken, the Hawk would appear again in Season of the Hunt which was the start of Y4 (Beyond Light)

where it would guide Crow and us

[remote sky]

Feel like warlocks are being heavily favored by the traveler right now

[dim minnow]

it would be the main focus of the Hawkmoon exotic quest

[broken relic]

As they should be /j

[remote sky]

it had a quest??

[dim minnow]

yep

[remote sky]

what the fuck

[dim minnow]

would be nice for them to add Harbinger to the exotic mission rotator and make it craftable

I wonder if they will make a new version of the Radiant Accipiter should they reprise the mission

I remember when I had to solo it to get a lore page

back when Lament and Stasis shredded through any elemental shield even on Match Game (back when Match Game was a thing)

[remote sky]

Lol

Also I don't think I've ever heard of harbinger

[dim minnow]

Harbinger is us going through an alternate part of the Reservoir in the EDZ and then a cave that was linked to the Hallowed Grove lost sector

it's basically an altered version of the Hawkmoon quest mission

which gave us random rolled versions of the gun

[remote sky]

I like how exotics are barely exotic

I understand it's fundamental for gameplay but it's funny

[dim minnow]

barely exotic how?

[remote sky]

Everyone has one. If someone had an exotic before we did, well we got it.

Also holy fuck that is the single fanciest sounding cabal I will ever hear

Who voiced that mf (I'm getting a picture)

[dim minnow]

Consul?

[remote sky]

No clue

[dim minnow]

yeah Consul

google says some bloke named Frank Langella

fuck that guy

[remote sky]

Heh council

[dim minnow]

he killed DrCrispy93

and the Speaker

[remote sky]

Who tf

Is doc crisp

[dim minnow]

back in D1 Bungie released an ad for their upcoming The Dark Below DLC where a player named DrCrispy93 was going over some new loot being added with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuCSRHa8mfQ

[remote sky]

Ah, Crota

[dim minnow]

the helmet he's wearing can be seen on Consul's necklace so we are led to believe he was killed by him

[remote sky]

NO

Why were they so extra in the speakers containment lmao 😭

I'm also assuming speaker with a guardian

[dim minnow]

I'm pretty sure Speaker wasn't a Guardian

Ghosts just liked to follow him

because of his ability to recieve visions from the Traveler

[remote sky]

Hm. Cool.
And tyra was the og cryptarch?
Learning a lot rn

[remote sky]

DEN FATHER ?!?

[dim minnow]

also, while they don't show this ingame,
The storyboards for a certain scene show ||Consul stabbing Speaker with a blade before releasing him||

[dim minnow]

Tyra was the cryptarch for Felwinter's Peak

Rahool was always the first Cryptarch

the one for the Tower

[remote sky]

Wait.. wait wait

We had multiple cryptarchs?

[dim minnow]

then we got Ives who was in the vestian Outpost (but then he got killed by a Fallen guy and we had to avenge his death which was the plot of the Thunderlord quest)

[dim minnow]

D1 had a total of three social spaces

[remote sky]

THUNDALORD (poor ives[never heard of em])

[dim minnow]

Tower
Vestian Outpost
Felwinter Peak

[remote sky]

[dim minnow]

not a lot of people probably knew that Thunderlord was first gained through a quest which it was brought back in D2

[remote sky]

Yeah I had no clue

Ooh, What do we know about the dead man?

[dim minnow]

who?

[remote sky]

Why was he strung up in egregore?

[dim minnow]

oh Katabasis

yeah we had an entire lore book and a few lore tabs following him

basically he was loyal to Calus

[remote sky]

Wow

fuck

[dim minnow]

he also had severe PTSD from the Red War which made him addicted to gaining power so he wouldn't be left powerless again

[remote sky]

Fair

[dim minnow]

kinda made him heavily reliant on his Ghost

Gilgamesh

[remote sky]

He probably abused his ghost to make sure the ghost could never leave him or anything of the sort

[dim minnow]

well what really happened was that his Ghost grew tired of him and gave him an ultimatum

[remote sky]

hoh

[dim minnow]

either Katabasis kills him, or he would let the Scorn tear him apart and keep rezzing him over and over again until he did

turns out Gilgamesh kinda lost his mind a bit due to the Crown of Sorrow

[remote sky]

damn

This doesn't explain the egregore though

[dim minnow]

after that the Scorn likely dragged him there

[remote sky]

Also, I thinks it's funny that the darkness brings life too, though only egregore

[dim minnow]

Darkness isn't really death

it's linked to consciousness

[remote sky]

the darkness is mind and light is matter, no?

[dim minnow]

Light is described as the physical domain

[remote sky]

Yeah

What is the relationship between Hawthorne and Devrim?
..and why does Hawthorne seem condescending towards guardians? I can't really tell if she's joking

[trim grotto]

He's her adoptive father.

[remote sky]

Aye

[trim grotto]

Also, joking about what?

[remote sky]

And I guess nvm about the second one. Turns out she felt abandoned since guardians dipped to titan

[dim minnow]

just part of her character

she's usually been skeptical of the City

never really liked living in it

though of course the events of the Red War campaign did convince her to go back

[gaunt solstice]

shes probably an atheist lol

since she doesnt have a ghost

does a human change their name when they get turned into an exo or was saint blessed with a cool ass name?

[blazing wasp]

Not all Guardians worship the traveler

[remote sky]

I don't think atheism can apply when the God is both a machine and also right fuckin there

[blazing wasp]

So some Guardians would be atheists too

[blazing wasp]

Not all believe the traveler is a god

Let alone worship it

Zavala doesn't

Not anymore

[remote sky]

It's a sentient machine-ball

[blazing wasp]

Correct

[gaunt solstice]

let me put it like this.. the traveller is kinda like a god. and he just let a bunch of people die in the last city. that might have made hawthorne an atheist

[remote sky]

I want to know though
Was the sentience recently developed due to the addition of darkness

[blazing wasp]

Sapient, even

[remote sky]

she

[blazing wasp]

No

[gaunt solstice]

sorry for misgendering the traveller

[blazing wasp]

It is he closest we have to a genuinely real god

The

The

[remote sky]

I wish eris was here rn..

[gaunt solstice]

jesus ball

[remote sky]

✊😔

[blazing wasp]

But not everyone is fully aware of the traveler effectively being the Gardener

And not everyone believes it to be a god

[remote sky]

I swear one of the visions of the traveler said the traveler was kinda freaked out by its sudden gain of memory n shit

[blazing wasp]

It showed someone a vision of its time with the precursors

It's feelings at the time

[remote sky]

No I meant the literal visions of the traveler lmao

[blazing wasp]

It's always been sapient

[remote sky]

The TFS collectables

[blazing wasp]

That's the one im talking about

[remote sky]

O

You said "it showed someone" pardon my dumbassery

[gaunt solstice]

in my head thats unconfirmed. its more like the witness is to the winnower

[blazing wasp]

As of recently it's been very very heavily supported

[remote sky]

What the fuk is the gardener

[blazing wasp]

One of the 2 gods of creation

[gaunt solstice]

the light, basically

[remote sky]

the light itself

?

SO THE TRAVELER IS BUT A MEDIUM!!!

[gaunt solstice]

the gardener represents light and the winnower represents darkness

[blazing wasp]

With the fucking winnower giving us a email after the witness' death

[gaunt solstice]

in the lore books they talk about these characters like they're biblical figures

i like the story about how they sparted

[remote sky]

Lolmao

[gaunt solstice]

sparred*

[remote sky]

Winnower is so chill tho

[blazing wasp]

The winnower believes itself to be the ultimate inevitable truth

So it doesn't so anything

Because it's inevitable

Why influence it?

[gaunt solstice]

that's so metal

[blazing wasp]

Why fight us?

So it's so chill as a result

[remote sky]

I know it won't happen but I really wish that when we do inevitably fight the winnower that bro just says "damn fuck off my ass bruh"

[blazing wasp]

It also effectively said the witness was so infinitely cringe it didn't even deserve the right to think

That was kinda cool

[remote sky]

Oh hell yeah winnower you da best

I want to know things about the deep and the taken and shit

[gaunt solstice]

Never forget

does a human change their name when they get turned into an exo or was saint blessed with a cool ass name?

[dim minnow]

that isn't really quite explained I think

it's mostly that that the Exo adopts their old name

so the latter seems a lot more likely

[gaunt solstice]

hmm

For my headcannon, braytech analyzes their memories/programming and assigns them a name that fits

[pure tree]

im wondering, Kitharodes, Choral Mind appears in two of the three boss encounters of breach executable, do you think its a rank/title of hydras considering we kill it multiple times and it always spawns in pairs or is it just coincidentally several hydras named the same thing?

[lofty badge]

it is often bosses with the same name

[sick yew]

I mean tbh he might have just been called "John Saint" when he was human

And instead of becoming John-1 which probably already existed it was switched to his last name

[empty fern]

Damn

[sick yew]

That or Clovis knew he literally created the Exo Christ

[empty fern]

Wonder if Saint was just a religious Russian man, then after revival he kept the saintly title

[sick yew]

I doubt it

[jagged badge]

Saint can be a normal first name so

At least I think so from a cursory Google search

[sick yew]

True aswell

[fierce hemlock]

failsafe is too cool to be on the helm only

they gotta make an exo for failsafe

is that possible in lore

[ember storm]

You gotta remember it’s golden age names

Not going to be 1:1 with what’s “normal” now

[lofty badge]

we did do it with Rasputin so given enough time

[sick yew]

Well we tried

[lofty badge]

yeah and made good progress but never finished due to well obvious reasons

[fast tapir]

(he fucking died)

[sick yew]

[lofty badge]

[sick yew]

Rest in cyberspace

He is missed

[ember storm]

I don’t think Saladin was too shaken up by it

[lofty badge]

likly not

[fierce hemlock]

episode 2 better be about failsafe getting a new exo body

[sick yew]

Bro was more crushed by the fact that the traveler started to bail

[fierce hemlock]

and getting all dripped out

[jagged badge]

Episode 2 is about Fikrul and the Scorn and shit

[lofty badge]

i doubt that will happend

and you mean act 2?

[fierce hemlock]

oh it is?

[lofty badge]

yeah

each Episode got 3 acts

[fierce hemlock]

i didnt think we got any info about the upcoming episode

[lofty badge]

we did

[ember storm]

We did

[lofty badge]

did you miss that vid?

[fierce hemlock]

im hoping act 2 or 3 will cover that

[ember storm]

For one there’s literally an infographic with pictures for all of them

[fierce hemlock]

i didnt even know it existed lmao

[ember storm]

And 2 bungie talked about it in the stream

[jagged badge]

We’ve known the themes for like over a year, and they elaborated on them more recently too

[sick yew]

There was a big preview videos yeah

[lofty badge]

not Failsafe getting a body XD

we got more important stuff

[fierce hemlock]

😔

[ember storm]

also yeah I really don’t think that’s going to be on the cards

[jagged badge]

The third episode for example is Hive themed and will see the return of the Dreadnaught in some capacity

[fierce hemlock]

they could cover it on the side

[lofty badge]

i hope we get a new partrol zone in some way in either of the two next episodes

but that might be too many on the map

[lofty badge]

Are most of house dusk fallen after final shape just criminals, pirates and insane/warmongering fallen?

given the more peace seeking fallen likly have joined house light at this point

[ember storm]

That’s all house of dusk is, aside from warmongers

They’re literally just stealing shit to survive

Salvation is actively seeking out our death and destruction

Dusk just want to be greedy and we get in the way sometimes

[lofty badge]

yeah, millions of Fallen that remain stuck in those ways

[ember storm]

Has anyone clipped that line where she says the word “caboose”

I can’t find it anywhere and feel like I hallucinated it

[gaunt solstice]

https://youtu.be/dT-BD1vCZKg?si=fsoPPQPOpZsxgtHM

[ember storm]

🫡

[gaunt solstice]

I love this interaction between failsafe and saint unit. Saint is such a titan lol

[fresh zephyr]

freakysafe

[gaunt solstice]

WKDJDHDJJDJSHF

[blazing wasp]

Google just tells me... train cart, what the hell is caboose

Oh no

[ember storm]

It’s the rear end of something

[blazing wasp]

like, of a train cart?

[ember storm]

In a train that’s the last car

[blazing wasp]

i skimmed over it

ah

[ember storm]

Failsafe is using it in replacement of ass

[blazing wasp]

oh

[ember storm]

Are you a native English speaker?

[blazing wasp]

I am not

[ember storm]

Neat

Anyway yeah people use it as slang for their rear ends because they’re the ends of trains

Failsafe is just being failsafe

[blazing wasp]

Oh god i used to have a online friend who called themselves caboose all the time

This explains a lot of things in hindsight

[empty fern]

Failsafe made a bum joke

[ember storm]

Literally took me like a full minute to recover from hearing that the first time

[willow dagger]

I love you so much

[calm olive]

am i really stupid or is the campaign witness boss fight area the same as the black garden one in vanilla d1

(im really stupid either way but shhh)

[empty fern]

??

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-vex-eyes-seeing-gif-20963766

Don’t see it

[calm olive]

the area looked so similar structually

like with the pillars and stuff

[ember storm]

it’s just a circle

So not really no

[empty fern]

It could poetically be similar

[ember storm]

The black garden room was literally already just reused for the epilogue of season of the wish

so I’m willing to bet no

[calm olive]

i figured its not the same place but like when i was doing it the place felt similar ish so i guess they just reused the general area yeah

[empty fern]

Ok hear me out,

Go look at the boss arena in the Phobos mission back on taken king

Oh and proving grounds final room too I guess

[calm olive]

phobos has a boss fight

how did i forget this

[ember storm]

Huh

[empty fern]

The boss is just another taken knight, but it is an arena

[ember storm]

Guh

The D1 mission on Phobos?

Why are we talking about it

[empty fern]

Was just talking about arenas, they’ll have a pattern

[ember storm]

The pattern is don’t stand under the jet engines

[empty fern]

Jet engines?

[ember storm]

That was part of the arena in the mission

They activate the jet engines that are inside a closed room for some reason

And also poison just pumps out of the vents

[calm olive]

yeah no im looking at black garden fight it just had similarish locations for the areas to hide behind nvm

[raven wraith]

Whos speaking in the microcosm lore? Because it both sounds like it could be the traveler itself or it could be someone narrating it's terraforming, which makes me think it could be the winnower.

It's seems to be talking about Mars when humans first discovered it.

[frosty vigil]

why is this still in edz

[ember storm]

Why would it be anywhere else

[frosty vigil]

didnt the traveler rebuild or is this the part from the bottom thats missing

this part of the traveler

cuz idk i skipped a lot of lore

[ember storm]

It’s not missing

[frosty vigil]

i started in season of osiris and came back in season of defiance

[ember storm]

It was cast off intentionally because it was infected

[frosty vigil]

ahh

infected with what?

[ember storm]

The healing was just putting itself back together when this happened

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/destinypedia/images/1/1d/Destiny_2_Broken_Traveller.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20190804094209

The EDZ shard came off a long time ago because it was tainted with darkness

[frosty vigil]

ah

[next bobcat]

So what does the existence of the winnower mean for us?

[empty fern]

Means the next big bad is all but guaranteed

[acoustic trail]

why has no one destroyed the veil if its the soruce of all darkness

[empty fern]

How would someone do that?

[acoustic trail]

idk nuke it or something

have ball boy blast a beam of friendship

[empty fern]

Uh huh

[dim minnow]

few things

1. Darkness =/= evil

2. No Veil means pretty much all of the Neomuni are killed

[acoustic trail]

have them move to earth

[dim minnow]

they are in the CloudARK

also, Neomuni people are bitchmade so it would be hard to convince them to get out of it

[trim grotto]

Why would we?

[trim grotto]

I don't think it'll be as simple as that. I don't think it'll be an enemy we face. I think it just... is. It exists.

[blazing wasp]

Lack of incentive to do so

[broken relic]

With what

If its any similar to the Traveler we couldn't scratch it if we had Rasputins full arsenal much less whatever we can scrounge now

[willow dagger]

How is “destroying” not incentive?

[willow dagger]

Oh hello orange ❤️

[remote sky]

Why the fuck are we ronin now?? What does this have to do with failsafe 😭

[dim minnow]

Episode: Revenant Titan:

[remote sky]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-spongebob-meme-i-don't-get-it-confused-gif-12091655509524369436

[dim minnow]

Episode: Heresy Titan:

[remote sky]

What?? No!!!

[remote sky]

Good god I pray they change that
I want my titan to be eris morn, too yk

[dim minnow]

I think there will be the Eris Morn sets alongside these ones

[remote sky]

Still doesn't explain why we're ronin

[remote sky]

At least this one looks like a monster hunter

[dim minnow]

Titans just running around looking like Vampire Splicer D

[steady nest]

Who is the Herald of Finnality supposed to be

[dim minnow]

probably a unique Dread made from a Taken Captain

[steady nest]

Makes sense

[odd oyster]

ok so the dread. do they have better explanation in the lore

what I remember from campaign is “they must be what remains of a civilization the witness conquered” or something

[slim elk]

Clones, and using the Travelers light to make them manifest as a last line of defense for the Witness

[swift spade]

Chat I need a completely 100% accurate part 2 to this