📚lore-discussion

[tiny fossil]

Or they have a colour blind filter on? They can be colour blind

[dull raft]

totally cool lore today

[willow dagger]

I still vote instant ban, idc

[tiny fossil]

Real

I vote as well

[dreamy patio]

Some dumbass people are saying its siva 😭

[tiny fossil]

It’s obviously hand drawn

There’s a good chance that those were made to trick stupid people

[ember storm]

yes yes you’re very smart and everyone loves talking to you

you know leaks are a banned subject to begin with

[dreamy patio]

my bretheren in light, these arent leaks

[ember storm]

I doubt swearing at people because they don’t care enough to look is going to help

[dreamy patio]

this was five months ago

you realize that

[ember storm]

does the video not literally say “leaked”

it doesn’t matter how long ago it was

[dreamy patio]

oh ffs IGNORE the dumbass names

there just used to bait people to think this is bigger

they did this shit with strand and whatnot

[ember storm]

they didn’t

you’re either taking a joke way past the point of “don’t take it so seriously lol” or are genuinely convinced, which honestly paints a worse picture

[trim grotto]

None of us want to discuss leaks, old or otherwise. We're quite happy with the rules banning said discussion.

[ember storm]

I don’t have much sympathy for you either way considering how you’ve been acting about it

[sinful pivot]

those were fake

[raw hazel]

Even if we did discuss leaks, the unwarrented aggression is just going to make anyone who would want to discuss it with you, not want to.

[sinful pivot]

and yea you also arent allowed to talk about leaks in general

[raw hazel]

Like, I really don't know what you thought you would accomplish here.

[trim grotto]

Sorry about that
Uh, no, it isn't ice
Imagine drawing enough energy from an area that it spontaneously crystalizes into a solid form

[tiny fossil]

Ik

[raw hazel]

Also apparently messes with time??

[tiny fossil]

It’s like crystallized darkness right?

[gentle geyser]

As much as stasis in lore isn’t ice

Its very much intended to be the ice subclass

[trim grotto]

More like crystalised matter, but the Darkness is what draws the energy out

[ember storm]

on a very basic level it’s “ice”

[tiny fossil]

If we were to get another subclass what would you want it to be?

[ember storm]

but it’s not meant to be any kind of frozen liquid

[willow dagger]

Crystals are so pretty

[ember storm]

it’s essentially even lower than the absence of energy

[tiny fossil]

If you say siva I swear to god

[trim grotto]

Honestly I'm still caught up on Prismatic before I start looking even further ahead

[ember storm]

I wanted poison

[raw hazel]

SI-

[ember storm]

and before you say it, not thorn hive shit

I mean actual poison

liquid

spicy waterbending

with bubbles and tendrils and waves

[tiny fossil]

Siva should be like a exotic where you can switch your grenade to a big siva swarm

[gentle geyser]

Praying for water themed subclass that works like anarchy but I know its a dream

[willow dagger]

@trim grotto but yes, riven and Taranis love story!! ❤️ sorry time with Orange

[ember storm]

ah yeah

“love story”

very romantic

[tiny fossil]

I feel a hive magic subclass would be good but I also kinda want a taken subclass

[ember storm]

total goals

[gentle geyser]

Strand warlock

Literally strand warlock

[raw hazel]

I think I would want something to do with sound

In the vein of like, of the corrupted Deathsong

Like the song of life the Traveler uses

I think that would be neat

[ember storm]

would it include new guardian voice lines

[gentle geyser]

Reminder the only light subclass that doesn’t have a darkness equivalent is arc, meaning whatever gets added could most likely be based around chain damage

[raw hazel]

Just have it all voiced by Matt Mercer

[tiny fossil]

A taken subclass could be good where the super would allow you to control an enemy and you could command it to do something, in PVE you can do multiple ADS

[gentle geyser]

We wont get an element that already exists and is hostile to us

[willow dagger]

Considering that I could 100% relate to riven when she said “Taranis! I would flay the flesh off your bones if there were any left” in a LOVING way… it’s a love story (also I don’t know anything about them)

[ember storm]

you can love them all you want but ahamkara are parasites to existence itself

[tiny fossil]

If you could make your own exotic weapon what would it do and what type of weapon would it be? (I’m bored and want to see your ideas)

[ember storm]

I hold zero sympathy for them and I’m quite comfortable with that

[willow dagger]

Wha-

But the eggs

[tiny fossil]

Fried riven eggs and ham

[reef salmon]

So I know this theory has been going around that we might be going to rhulks home planet? but wasn't it entirely destroyed?

[gentle geyser]

Ima be real I side with the ghost dragon over the queen who brought back a ghost just to ask a favor

[willow dagger]

NO

[ember storm]

one of our guardian’s best triumphs is destroying an entire 4 dozen of them

what’s a few more

[ember storm]

it is but there’s probably something to be learned

also planets being destroyed don’t tend to like, disintegrate

big chunks floating around and whatnot

have you played Titanfall 2

[gentle geyser]

Lubre doesn’t have a sun anymore

[ember storm]

fucking metal last mission I’ll tell you what

[gentle geyser]

Its fucked as hell

[tiny fossil]

I want an exotic sidearm where if you get enough kills you can control like a drone or something around the map that can kill stuff. It’d be like a hacked shank

[ember storm]

I’m not saying the planet survived in any capacity

[trim grotto]

PLEASE!

(Lubrae is cracking. Lubrae is shattering. Lubrae is upending. What have I done?)```
```(A shattered sky. A planet convulsing. Our existence, upended.)

(Their folly was their intended salvation. Siphoning light from the Sapphiric Sun itself. I use your Luster. Turn their technology against them, like a backfired pistol.)

(After serving them. Protecting them. Fighting for them. Suffering for them.)

(A shattered sky. A planet convulsing. Tearing apart.)

(One Lubraean remains—me. But not for long. What have I done? I stare into the Abyss. It has opened—truly opened this time—to show me what lies beneath: death. I drop your Luster. I drop Lubrae's Ruin. I let myself fall in. And then I… I… and then I am… )```
Sounds like the planet broke apart when the sun imploded

[ember storm]

but there’s enough room for there to be some level of research applicable

[gentle geyser]

Tangled shore 2.0

[tiny fossil]

Womp womp

[gentle geyser]

[reef salmon]

That would actually be sick to go there but I doubt bungie will take us there for a full on destination

maybe a exotic mission there or something?

[tiny fossil]

Sniper that uses primary ammo?

[raw hazel]

I still wanna go on a mission to Volantis..

[trim grotto]

No Land Beyond from ye olde D1

[tiny fossil]

That’s be cool

What’s that?

[gentle geyser]

1. Not lore
2. Scout rifles

[trim grotto]

A sniper that uses primary ammo

Didn't make it into D2 though

[tiny fossil]

I had asked a question about u big you could make an exotic what would it be

[ember storm]

it did technically

in the same vein that Raze Lighter did

and ace of spades, for a little while

[tiny fossil]

I have no idea what that is

[ember storm]

there’s still hope

[ember storm]

Oryx sword turned guardian sword

[tiny fossil]

Cool

[ember storm]

shaxx stole it

I mean I guess technically he’s the one who forged it but there’s got to be some custody law about it

[tiny fossil]

What class do you think I am? Just by my idea for an exotic

[ember storm]

it contained the crystallized essence of oryx for cod’s sake

that shouldn’t just be a tax write off

[raw hazel]

I want my fucking Dark Drinker back dammit

[tiny fossil]

A sidearm that spawns a drone you control

[ember storm]

too bad

you get the juice rectangle

[raw hazel]

[tiny fossil]

Is it true that abilities aren’t bound to class in lore

[trim grotto]

To a degree

[tiny fossil]

Wdym

[trim grotto]

A prime example are our grenades, which are cross-class. However, to paraphrase Crow, you never see a Warlock with a Golden Gun.

[tiny fossil]

So are grenades just given to us as liek weapons or are they abilities from the light

[trim grotto]

Abilities, usually.

[gentle geyser]

They are physical weapons some times

[dim minnow]

Grenades I feel work kind of like supers like hammer of sol or arc staff

[trim grotto]

Light is malleable, and the way we use it are known and taught techniques, but the classes respond to their own Ways for a reason. If it was possible for a Warlock to form a Golden Gun, I imagine it would be far more difficult than for a Hunter, to whom it comes more naturally.

[dim minnow]

where they are physical objects manifested by our Light

[ember storm]

I like the idea that some grenades are literally just metal spheres augmented with light

[tiny fossil]

I noticed thorn and lumina kinda do the exact opposite thing are they related somehow?

[ember storm]

like some of them like solar grenades are just pure light

[gentle geyser]

Well some are actually physical, prime example being hunter tripmine

[ember storm]

but flashbang and tripwire are physically objects

[ember storm]

that’s

[gentle geyser]

Its the same gun

[ember storm]

the entire point yes

the original thorn was cleansed and then imbued with light

[gentle geyser]

Rose, thorn, and lumina are all the same gun

[ember storm]

that’s the point of lumina

[tiny fossil]

Rose is too?

[dim minnow]

the Iron Lord Axe, Burning Maul, Arc Staff, etc. are all physical objects too

[tiny fossil]

Cool

[gentle geyser]

Rose is the original

[ember storm]

Rose was a normal gun, then it was cursed by the hive, then it was cleansed and further enhanced with light

[dim minnow]

but they are manifested by Light

[ember storm]

Rose > Thorn > some weird crappy inbetween > Lumina

all thorns in existence, including the exotic we use, are just replicas

they can’t do what the original did

[tiny fossil]

Did we just steal a gun from the cabal for the machine gun and the scout rifle?

[gentle geyser]

Most likely

[tiny fossil]

Also does thunder lord have lore or is it just a light imbued weapon?

[ember storm]

crafted by some warlock I think

somebody named

[raw hazel]

Technically we imbue all our weapons with Light

[ember storm]

I don’t remember so they’re not really important

Grand Overture is a gift from Caiatl

[tiny fossil]

No warlock is important

I’m talking about the one with the shield

[ember storm]

Ticuu is an invention from some Psions and it’s very funny

[tiny fossil]

How is it funny

[ember storm]

Legionaries were discussing how it worked and had zero clue but were very passionate about it

they were told the Psions “put time into it”

and took it literally

[tiny fossil]

Since this is in the future did they go through skibidi toilet

[ember storm]

they believe the tracking capabilities were proof the bow was literally incapable of missing because it was made with time

and time itself would always ensure it was a time you never missed

[tiny fossil]

Atheon has control over time right?

[ember storm]

no

[tiny fossil]

Or was it timelines

[ember storm]

he has control over the oracles which just control the factors of the vault of glass

entering the vault of glass renders you vulnerable to its audits

the oracles are capable of auditing you out of existence

[tiny fossil]

Ok

[dim minnow]

technically, the Oracles don't do that

[dim minnow]

they just mark you for negation

[ember storm]

full convo

[tiny fossil]

I just got Cadmus ridge lance cap from the lost sector : )

[ember storm]

not lore, banned

[dim minnow]

basically, Atheon controls the timestreams within the Vault

[tiny fossil]

No please 😭

[dim minnow]

the Oracles search through the timestreams and mark whatever it is the Vex want deleted

so something like the Templar and Atheon can delete said marked thing from the timestream

the Gorgons seem to be able to do it without Oracles, but they are limited by what they can see

[tiny fossil]

I heard about calus fan fics? What are those

[dim minnow]

Chronicon

[tiny fossil]

Huh

What’s that

[dim minnow]

so at some point, Calus encountered the Black Fleet at some place called "The Black Edge" which was where he claimed to have seen the future

[tiny fossil]

Ok?

[dim minnow]

Chronicon contains everything that he told his scribes

up to the end of everything when Calus is the last one alive

[tiny fossil]

I’m assuming that what my fireteam told me was wrong and that he did not fantasize about shoving a ghost down drifter’s throat?

[dim minnow]

oh no, that was correct

[tiny fossil]

Ew

[dim minnow]

well sort of

we trick Drifter into eating a pastry that was made form his Ghost

then we keep forcing food down his throat until he suffocates

[tiny fossil]

Again ew

[dim minnow]

Chronicon was just full of Calus' delusional fantasies that he believed was prophecy

[raw hazel]

Even then, his scribes were basically writing what they thought he would like, right?

[dim minnow]

and apparently Savathun gave it to us which is the reason why we started to distance ourselves away from him prior to his leaving Nessus' orbit at the end of Season of Arrivals

[tiny fossil]

Somebody shout out that land whale in a meat grinder

Should put*

[dim minnow]

well...

[raw hazel]

I mean, he's already dead

[dim minnow]

Chronicon was written when he was still alive though

[tiny fossil]

Bring him back to life and do it again

[dim minnow]

Calus pretty much told them what to write

and if the scribes claimed that what Calus was giving them was incorrect, they would be boiled alive or something

[chrome fog]

The Cabal are not the land whales, those were a separate species on their planet that apparently Calus’ prison barge-turned-luxury cruiser for inhumane clone experiments is modeled after

[analog torrent]

I have good news for you about Lightfall

[chrome fog]

Also jeebus I missed a lot

A guy got muted in the time I was gone

[analog torrent]

Are there descriptions of Warlocks doing their controller/summoner thing in lore? Other than Osiris (kinda)

[chrome fog]

Getaway Artist might be a good example

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/getaway-artist

[hearty dagger]

So, I'm curious, is there a reason why nobody seems to be talking about the Taken having Orange Eyes in the Final Shape preview trailers we've seen?

[chrome fog]

As in, the Dread enemies?

[hearty dagger]

No, the Taken themselves, there eyes are Orange instead of the usual White

[raw hazel]

Do you have a screenie?

[hardy anvil]

fellers. help me out here. what is this symbol?

[past glen]

i forget if there's another meaning to it but its ikora's bond

https://i.imgur.com/91N2AVp.png

[hearty dagger]

Here you can see it in the Microcosm video. Taken Psions, like most of the rest of the taken, (aside from Ogres, whose are Yellow) have White eyes, but the Psions here and the rest of the taken have Orange Eyes.

[chrome fog]

Huh

That is interesting

[raw hazel]

Huh

[hearty dagger]

I think it's also the same shade of orange as Resonance.

[raw hazel]

I guess it's so quick in in the trailer you don't notice

[chrome fog]

Maybe a nod to the Witness’ control over them instead of them being the feral Taken roaming the Ascendent Plane or those that were under Oryx’s control?

[raw hazel]

It does look vaguely like the same hue as Resonance

[hardy anvil]

fuck me. I was wondering why it was so familiar even though I've never noticed that symbol on ikora

[hearty dagger]

It's all over the taken in the Final Shape. I first noticed it in the initial gameplay reveal. I think it's noteworthy because the last time the significant color on an enemy faction changed it was the Scorn, noting their new master in Rhulk/the Witness.

[hardy anvil]

I just need to find out exactly what the symbol means

[hearty dagger]

Maybe there is a new taken king who is using Resonance to bolster their power?

[past glen]

oh shit u right

[gentle geyser]

Kelgo baby!

Its always Kelgo

[past glen]

KELGORATH 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[raw hazel]

more like kelgoroach

I'll happily stamp out that roach

[gentle geyser]

It was Kelgo all along

[hearty dagger]

I mean, even if it is Kelgo, that's still significant right? Like Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Taken can't... Take without a Taken King right?

[eager trout]

What exactly is MIDA Multitool referencing from Marathon?

[dim minnow]

some group called MIDA

[dim minnow]

Taken can spread their Blight, but they can't be effective without a leader

even then, Savathun was able to use Quria to take and control the Taken as well

[eager trout]

That much I know

Why do the Taken make big balls of whatever it is they make it of?

[dim minnow]

Blight

it's just for spreading corruption and influence

they can Take with it, but entities like the Vex can overwrite it unless said Taken have a leader

[chrome fog]

It’s more likely the Witness’ control, the instructions for the power to Take were not written down in the Books of Sorrow, just how Oryx got said power (from the Witness itself, no less), plus the parallels to Resonance also insinuating that connection

[eager trout]

Wait, Radiance? The Solar buff?

[chrome fog]

*Resonance

It is very late for me, imma sleep

[fast crane]

So the orignal guardians the 3 in trailers, did they die on the moon?

[trim grotto]

From which trailer? Become Legend?

[fast crane]

yea

[trim grotto]

Well that trailer with them on the moon is directly followed by them on Venus

[willow dagger]

I don’t mean to bother you, but did you like the riven/Taranis idea?

[raw hazel]

I am not Mael but I liked it

Taranis sacrificing himself to protect his last few children

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-crying-crying-girl-crying-anime-crying-anime-girl-gif-4473502144398719776

I am also a hopeless romantic tho, soooo..

[blazing wasp]

I hate tics, so I'm stuck as a hopeless roman

[iron mortar]

If we decided to square up against characters like mara sov, Eris(hive form), or Saint 14

How would we fair

Each individually

[blazing wasp]

Power scaling is stupid but

Given how eris at a time was the strongest hive god, ever iirc

Eris?

Maybe mara still

[iron mortar]

Mara and Saint 14?

[blazing wasp]

Maybe?

Idk

[iron mortar]

Stronger than oryx?

[blazing wasp]

Power scaling isn't like dragonball here

[blazing wasp]

According to the game.

More power at least

[iron mortar]

Also what does banishing do to xivu arath

[blazing wasp]

Kicked out of throne world

She's weaker, and mortal

[iron mortar]

Oh so she can die now

Cool

[blazing wasp]

Iirc, yes

[iron mortar]

Do we have a good idea what xivu is gonna look like in game

We kinda only have seen silhouettes

[dim minnow]

there is her appearance in the inkblot cutscene from last season

[iron mortar]

And is she gonna be in final shape?

[blazing wasp]

Unknown

Possible

[iron mortar]

When are we gonna face her

[blazing wasp]

Unknown

[iron mortar]

Rabbit 🐰

[dim minnow]

I recall how when we first got a glimpse of her in Witch Queen and I theorized how her appearance there might have been inspired by the egyptian god of war

[willow dagger]

Wh-

[iron mortar]

Was I the only one who thought Eris was gonna become evil especially during season of the witch

[raw hazel]

Yea

[blazing wasp]

More or less

[iron mortar]

I thought it was being teased for awhile

[blazing wasp]

We know she's trustworthy here

Literally nobody else is better suited for this

[raw hazel]

The whole point of Witch was to solidify her arc that she would never be evil

We’ve never had the chance for evil Eris

[blazing wasp]

She put aside personal bias and desires for the sake of everyone

[iron mortar]

Does Eris also prove the guardians even after losing their ghosts are still immortal biologically

[blazing wasp]

If she didn't, she'd go after and kill xivu

[iron mortar]

They don't age anymore

[blazing wasp]

No because we don't fully know this

Aging like that is a state of decay, ghosts either made your body permanently pause this, or made you able to reconstruct and maintain certain stuff

[trim grotto]

that is fun
are you thinking, like, a full read of the lorebook, or...?

[blazing wasp]

If they're gone we don't know if it completely stays like this and to what extent and for how long

[trim grotto]

To be fair, Eris did survive down there for literal centuries.

However, she also isn't exactly a perfect case study.

[willow dagger]

Creators choice I guess

[trim grotto]

It's a point heavily in favour of the claim, though I wouldn't call it outright proof.

[raw hazel]

mael

[trim grotto]

hally
wait weren't you sleeping

[raw hazel]

sad

Today was heavy

I’m gonna try to sleep though, finally

[tawdry wigeon]

Yeyeye my fault i really cant remember hive names so i keep confusing some characters

[tiny fossil]

I was calling him fat

[tiny fossil]

Forgive me if I’m wrong but is it true that strand is just reality that we’re picking apart

[jagged badge]

The Weave is a parallel sorta dimension of psychic Darkness combining the entire universe together

We manipulate strands of the Weave to our own purposes

But we aren’t like decaying reality by doing so or anything

[ember storm]

this has just been a thing for years

I don’t think it really means anything tbh

personal recommendation, I wouldn’t compare the designs of D2 models to those of grimoire cards

inaccuracies would just be abundant

Actually I think the yellow is just signifying it’s an orange/yellow bar

even the faken have it

https://destiny.wiki.gallery/images/1/19/Likeness_of_Nokris_Info.jpg

[modern lodge]

Question, from destiny 1 to season of the wish how much time has passed, is it 10 years from d1 start to now or is it longer

[blazing wasp]

I believe its longer?

[modern lodge]

Like how much longer?

Some people say it's 10 years

[fervent sandal]

If rhulk were to go into crota throne world and stab him with his glaive would it be immune cause he needs a sword?

Or how would that work?

[modern lodge]

The sword I think is just ingame mechanics

Not too sure

[fervent sandal]

Hm

[modern lodge]

And I believe rhulk would just Rip crota In half, rhulk is very strong

[fervent sandal]

Yeah i know

Are there any bosses in game that can give rhulk a challenge?

I think savarhun can?

Savathun*

[modern lodge]

Pure strength no

[fervent sandal]

Hn

[modern lodge]

Space magic trickery yes

[fervent sandal]

Not even nez?

[modern lodge]

Rhulk is a fucking powerhouse

Nez is like a mage sorta

[fervent sandal]

Yeah

[modern lodge]

Nightmares and shit

More mind fuckery

[fervent sandal]

So up until whiteness rhulk is the most powerful raid boss

[modern lodge]

Basically yeah

[fervent sandal]

That's cool

[modern lodge]

He did blow up his planets two suns after all

But we only were able to kill him because he was having a laugh and not taking us seriously

[fervent sandal]

He decided to entertain us and lost cause of it

So If he took us seriously we wouldn't have gotten past care taker? If not how far could we have gone?

[modern lodge]

If he took us seriously when we go to him he would just merk us I think

Also take everything I say with a grain of salt

I am no lore guy

[fervent sandal]

Ah ok

[modern lodge]

Mael is the lore god here

[fervent sandal]

Ok

[chrome fog]

Somewhat, since the Hellmouth incident was many, many years ago to which it would’ve been apparent if she had aged

[chrome fog]

Kek lol

[chrome fog]

Almost exactly the same amount of time, but there is a small time skip during the Red War, so add a few months to that time

[chrome fog]

Yes, because Crota technically upholds his Blade as the only thing stronger than him; Crota did the thing everyone thinks of when you hear about Throneworlds and how their owner dictates the rules, and made himself unkillable from anyone he considers weaker than him. However, it’s also important to note that he heavily relies on his literal swords to exert his power, and thus by a small technically he would technically be allowing them greater regard against his own self

[modern lodge]

So my guardian is 10 years old

[chrome fog]

Yes

[chrome fog]

Him taking the fight seriously is the wipe mechanic for his boss encounter

[modern lodge]

Witness will die from a ten year old

What a fucking loser

[chrome fog]

In fairness, a walking talking, rootin’ tootin’ shootin’, magic slingin’ baybah

[ember storm]

trillion year old beefs with toddler

[tawdry wigeon]

Ive noticed something in the tower, some fallen have their arms cut off or something, why did that happen?

Not all of them are like that

[ember storm]

they were dregs or wretches in their old house

it’s the power structure

fallen can regenerate limbs but they have theirs cut off and docked to prevent growth as punishment

house light is comprised of refugees from other houses who just want peace

Realistically speaking they should’ve grown back by now but bungie just doesn’t make new models for that kind of thing

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhhhh i see okay interesting

[ember storm]

for example

the metal device on the lower abdomen is a docked arm

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhhhh right right

Very interesting detail

I really like that

Btw does ether make the fallen ig bigger in size only or does it affect them anywhere else too?

[ember storm]

overall size and actual development

[ornate bough]

That’s why captains are big

They get a ton of ether

[ember storm]

captains are the standard size of what Eliksni should be

kells gorge themselves on ether

[ornate bough]

It’s kinda sad

[ember storm]

house light is all fairly standard size at least

the guys at the tower are definitely bigger than dregs

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh damn if thats standard then they are biggg

But then again you have these huge ahh bosses that take up a whole room alone

[calm granite]

why does variks have 3 arms btw ?

[ember storm]

Skolas ripped his arms off in a way it couldn’t heal

[calm granite]

ah

[ember storm]

Both his missing arms are prosthetics

one of which was then destroyed by Eramis

[ornate bough]

Poor variks

[ember storm]

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Variks-beyondlight.jpg

top row

[tawdry wigeon]

Variks is a chill dude tbh i liked his character

Fkin eramis

She will be returning imo

[ember storm]

he’s kinda responsible for Cayde’s death and the downfall of the reef but hey

Dee Bradley Baker moment

[ornate bough]

Why does variks make those clicking noises

No other eliksni does that

[ember storm]

he does it to act like he doesn’t understand human speech to seem weaker

he speaks perfectly when he’s mad at Eramis

https://youtu.be/E6QFg7te7eE?si=24mzm6Y2yXCq0jZN

[tawdry wigeon]

I remember that

I actually felt the moment

Do yall think he deserves that second chance? After helping as and all that?

[ember storm]

it was a second chance for Eliksni

not himself

[tawdry wigeon]

Nvm then lol

[ember storm]

the only reason he’s not facing “very fair and reasonable” awoken jurisdiction is his foothold position on Europa

when that’s no longer needed, it’s byebye Variks

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh so he'll die

Understandable ofc

[ember storm]

anyway the clicking noise is basically just a reference to Admiral Trench

[tawdry wigeon]

From star wars?

[ornate bough]

Do you think it’s likely for Amanda to become a guardian

[chrome fog]

It’s only been a year since she died, I know Crow was resurrected from Uldren’s body in more time than that

[tawdry wigeon]

I mean its not a necessity to take multiple years for a resurrection

She could get resurrected after fs tbh

[chrome fog]

No just that, it’s still jarring for someone who was dead getting resurrected so close to when they had died

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea ig I can see that sure

[calm granite]

let's hope not

[ornate bough]

I’m calling it

[blazing wasp]

I hope bungie has better writers than so

[ember storm]

kinda ruins the point of her character tbh

[chrome fog]

Boooo it’s in poor taste to revive her when her death had so much impact on Crow’s character

Which is what I meant by it being too soon for her to resurrect if at all

[versed orbit]

most likely not

[chrome fog]

A year is not a long time for grieving or coping with the loss of a loved one

[blazing wasp]

Narratively its extremely unlikely for Amanda to be rezd

At most it'll take a while

[ornate bough]

Well, we’ll see

[ember storm]

I hope one of these days before he can be properly revived through sword logic, a hive ghost goes and snipes up Kelgorath as risen

[versed orbit]

kelgorath expansion when

[tawdry wigeon]

Whats sigma 5? I saw someone say ikora is a sigma 5 warlock

[versed orbit]

uh

[ember storm]

sigma is internet slang

5 is just

a number

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh i thought it was a rank or a power lvl category or something

[ornate bough]

Sigma = brain rot

[calm granite]

sigma is actually guardian power levels yes

[tawdry wigeon]

Idk ppl in my fireteam said so

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh so they werent wrong then

[calm granite]

exemplified in the latest twab here for example

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh the number was a lie alright

[ornate bough]

Wait really?

[versed orbit]

what the fuck

[calm granite]

really yes

[tawdry wigeon]

She is like very strong no?

[versed orbit]

she is

[calm granite]

for example Ikora is classified as Sigma 5, a strength that you find in around 1 in 3.5 million guardians

[tawdry wigeon]

What

Jesus Christ

[ornate bough]

So it’s like hero classes from opm

[versed orbit]

she can spam nova bombs

[calm granite]

IKO-006 ranks in the upper fraction of the 99th percentile of assessed Warlocks on most available metrics of precision, restraint, and raw power. She is, in simplistic terms, a fifth sigma Guardian: 1 in 3.5 million. Given that millions of Guardians have been activated over the centuries since the Collapse, and assuming that performance of Guardians on these metrics is normally distributed, we would expect about ten Guardians of similar power to have existed. Probability favors IKO-006's existence but also her rarity: she is neither an average Guardian nor evidence for some special intervention by the Traveler. Complaints that her talents are overblown or inflated in order to reinforce her authority, or that she benefits from the special favor of a higher power, are sorely mistaken and ignorant of basic statistics. (These complaints come from the same people who ask why we haven't reconquered the whole solar system with our vast strength, forgetting how many Guardians are either in abeyance after exhaustion, still working on mastering their first subclass, or already committed to the protection of populations and resources here on Earth.)

It is notable that IKO-006 initially performed at only one sigma above the mean on most metrics. It was her lengthy experience in the field and in Crucible exercises which brought her to her current exemplary state. Can we determine whether this was a process of activating extraordinary latent power, or simply of honing ordinary power to an extraordinary peak? Signs point to no.

[versed orbit]

and she was mentored by Osiris

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea i know that but i never knew she was 1 in 3mil

[ornate bough]

If that’s so

Nvm

[tawdry wigeon]

The guardian, us, canonically how strong are we?

[versed orbit]

pretty strong

we have a lot of feats under our belt

[ember storm]

first day on the job we killed a devil archon

[calm granite]

I'd guess sigma 4 or smth

[ember storm]

An archon is the position only beaten by the Kell of a fallen house

[calm granite]

tho I'm no lore expert

[tawdry wigeon]

Sigma 4 ayy

[calm granite]

I'm not sure it's actually known

[tawdry wigeon]

Mhmm

[calm granite]

maybe @trim grotto will be able to answer more correctly than me

[tawdry wigeon]

Well whatever the case we aint in ikoras level ofc

Shes peak guardian

[calm granite]

do note that Sigma levels are actually a normal thing in real life, it's just used here to describe guardian power level

Sigma being a shorthand for a percentile in a standard normal distribution

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh i didnt know that okay interesting

[calm granite]

About 68% of values drawn from a normal distribution are within one standard deviation σ away from the mean; about 95% of the values lie within two standard deviations; and about 99.7% are within three standard deviations.[6] This fact is known as the 68–95–99.7 (empirical) rule, or the 3-sigma rule.

[ornate bough]

[tawdry wigeon]

Very interesting

I didnt know σ was used as a term like that

[calm granite]

linking back to this, this phrase pretty much means "OG gangstas only"

meaining "be in the .1% if you're planning on getting near this dude"

[tawdry wigeon]

Damn

Bro

My whole view on ikora changed completely

[calm granite]

which is fairly understandable given rhulk is a baller dude

even the lore we have suggests we purely won because he underestimated us, and apparently even just got to him because he wanted to have a tussle

[calm granite]

Ikora is known for being the very best guardian in the crucible ever I believe

her actual power level has been very well known for a long time

[tawdry wigeon]

So we were lucky

[calm granite]

yes

[tawdry wigeon]

25 kill streak i believe?

Ikora can easily fight him i feel like in a 1v1

[calm granite]

that's fairly unlikely

[versed orbit]

probably not easily

[tawdry wigeon]

No?

I mean

[calm granite]

Rhulk really is an absolute insane unit of a man

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea its rhulk

[calm granite]

he blasted the fucking leviathan aside in one move and tore out a rib in the process

[versed orbit]

rhulk fucked up the leviathan on fundament with it's own rib

then kept it in his pyramid

[calm granite]

he also broke his planet in half or smth iirc

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea yeap nvm i didnt even know that ngl

[calm granite]

that's the bone you see in the vow entrance

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh wtf

[versed orbit]

we beat rhulk because the raid had to end pretty much

[tawdry wigeon]

Plot armor kinda

[calm granite]

a rib torn out of a direct guard of the worms by the traveler

[versed orbit]

in a sense, though he wasn't taking us fully serious until the end of the fight

[calm granite]

he just got cocky

yes his last stand is pretty much him actually coming for a fight

[weak prawn]

Any idea how long the pyramid ship on the moon has been their?

[tawdry wigeon]

Yeap which means that we are strong enough to make rhulk fight us seriously

[tawdry wigeon]

Ever since the first collapse iirc

[calm granite]

latest twab kinda tells us sav thought he's a fucking idiot

[versed orbit]

since the collapse i think, or some time after

[calm granite]

which would explain why we blasted him

[versed orbit]

it was nezzy's pyramid

[tawdry wigeon]

A musclehead ig

I feel like nez isnt dead

[calm granite]

nez is super dead

but from what I understand he can kinda sorta stay alive and around

what with being the god of pain

when he talks to us in the raid he's still dead

[tawdry wigeon]

Didn't he say ill be alive within your memories or something? He means just that?

[calm granite]

whether he could just will himself back to life again is where my lore knowledge ends

[calm granite]

kinda

he inspires terrible nightmares in people and kinda haunts them

[tawdry wigeon]

If he comes back to life then he is just too op

[calm granite]

so it would be pretty mcuh in character and in the realm of his abilities

him just being around is what made neomuna inhabitants go crazy with nightmares

[weak prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/spring-trap-i-always-come-back-fnaf-fnaf-buddies-five-nights-at-freddy's-gif-548116288117488154

[calm granite]

he doesn't even have to make an effort he just built like that

[tawdry wigeon]

So he could exist in a way like toland?

Or just purely like a nightmare ig

[calm granite]

from what I understand yes

[tawdry wigeon]

Damn op mf

How many are all the disciples in total?

[versed orbit]

we know of calus, rhulk and nezzy

and there's likely more coming in TFS

[tawdry wigeon]

I imagine more will pop up

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea

Maybe even after tfs

[versed orbit]

Savathun was on her way to becoming one I believe

[tawdry wigeon]

I can easily see that

But she aint one

Theres no mention of the other disciples right?

[versed orbit]

there might be but I'm not sure

Those are the only 3 we've seen anyway

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea hmm

[calm granite]

sav was allied to the witness but fucked him over. There are suspicions xivu is a disciple I believe

otherwise yes rhulk calus nez

[tawdry wigeon]

Xivu? Oh that would be very interesting

She is the strongest one of the 3 when it comes to physical power

[calm granite]

well at this point she's also the only one that's alive

but she should have gotten fucked up pretty good by being banished from her throne world

[trim grotto]

The power system referred to in the Hidden Dossier has only been referenced that single time, so there's nothing to really compare ourselves to.

[calm granite]

ah alright yeah I thought so

well now it's been mentioned a total of 2 times!

[jagged badge]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/resonant-fury-boots?highlight=Savathûn+rhulk

This is an interesting convo between Rhulk and Savathûn

Though I don’t know if it’s exactly what’s referred to there

There’s also this message Savathun sends to the Witness, mocking Rhulk

And no longer does your Subjugator subjugate. He lies ensnared within his obtrusive eyesore, for upon Rhulk's attempt to subdue me with that toy he's annoyingly always on about—his "Upended"—I was able to counteract it, showing firsthand the power bequeathed to me in my new state. Now, the once-great Pyramid lies fractured, a sight you will become familiar with.

[vestal summit]

What is the strongest enemy we faced in destiny? Rhulk doesn't count because of the "oh he was playing with us", i want the strongest enemy that was actually trying to kill us and still lost.

[trim grotto]

Probably Oryx, the Taken King. However, we weakened him significantly by systematically dismantling his tribute system and court.

[raw hazel]

Maybe Lightbearer Savathûn?? Most big bads we fight we tend to exploit some weakness or the like.

[vestal summit]

Didn't we psychologically damage Savathûn by revealing to her the truth behind the hive and thats how we defeated her?

[raw hazel]

Hence the maybe. She was technically as strong as she could be at the time, just threw her off-kilter.

[trim grotto]

That's part of it, yes.

In the Throne World, that which you value most is more than simple meaningful, it is powerful. In Crota's Throne World, it was the Sword - and so it was literally a Sword that was his weakness within it.

For Savathûn... it is knowledge and secrets and trickery.

[vestal summit]

Makes sense.

But still, besides that we also have to wonder if Lightbearer Savathun was as powerful as Oryx.

[ember storm]

he could probably flick her away

[trim grotto]

At his height? Probably not. Assuming she didn't have the Wellspring.

[chrome fog]

Her power was significantly diminished in comparison to her power as a Hive God, which she had no access to once she had resurrected as she had removed her worm

[eager trout]

I think I'm starting to like Nimbus now.

But anyways, Chioma Esi's main mistake was being too emotionally invested in her research partner (for reasons we all know). While feelings are important, when it comes to the future of humanity and saving people, you need to be as rational as possible.

"Scientist in a fictional post-apocalyptic world where unknown forces are involved" is probably the worst job to date your workmates in.

Since Clarity is paracasual, is it possible to derive a subclass from it?

[chrome fog]

Damn I love my wife too much that is going to be an issue despite the fact I have apprehension with her current research obsession, looks like I’m a gobber

[chrome fog]

Stasis

[eager trout]

Oh, that's it?

[chrome fog]

It was a Witness statue, like the one we get Stasis from

We see it in the DSC raid

Like the first hallway

[trim grotto]

They weren't dating, they were married.

[eager trout]

Yeah, I know that part. What I mean is that you shouldn't start a relationship with someone you work with, specially if your job is one that can easily go down a more-than-morally-questionable path

[chrome fog]

And marriage within the science world today isn’t that unheard of either

Like it’s a fairly common thing too

[trim grotto]

They were married long before arriving on Neptune.

[ember storm]

I don’t really see what it has to do with the founding of neomuna either

like

Maya’s downfall was her own shit

[chrome fog]

Because gee we both have a shared interest in research and are able to acknowledge each other as equals, which are like the best way to approach taking someone to be your significant other

The Veil Logs don’t shy away from Esi having concerns for her wife either

[eager trout]

Yeah, but she still went down the amoral path because she couldn't say no to Maya.

[trim grotto]

Chioma and Maya were married for well over forty years, even when Indigo first landed.

[eager trout]

When dealing with dangerous things you don't understand, you shouldn't let your emotions have priority over your morals.

By the log Chioma talks about how she feels she's losing Maya, she had already lost her long ago.

Either to the Veil, the Witness, or her obsession.

[chrome fog]

Maybe because Esi was considering whether it was her over familiarity with Maya that was telling her to stop this research, or if it was genuine concern for Maya becoming overly obsessed with the Veil. Like the point you brought up is in the logs already, Esi is considering Maya’s actions both as her wife and as a fellow researcher because yeah no shit maybe she’d need to consider if she’s being biased for/against Maya’s actions as her wife

Like the point is that she lets Maya continue precisely because she thinks her apprehension is coming from her emotions for her wife, not that she lets her wife continue because as her wife she has to enable her research, which is not at all the implication from her logs

She wants to stop Maya but is concerned that in the process she might be actually preventing insightful research into this alien object they’ve come across upon landing on Neptune

[eager trout]

Idek what this means, I just see the same argument twice.

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-annoyed-stöhn-oh-no-oh-nein-gif-24943313

[chrome fog]

You have it reversed

[eager trout]

I'm pretty sure simply studying it isn't morally questionable. How you study it can make it morally questionable, but even then it's understandable if you're using dead Exos because you can't just leave them in a pile.

[chrome fog]

Mael save me

[ember storm]

there’s nothing questionable about using the bodies of your coworkers in an experiment?

nothing at all?

[trim grotto]

Chioma allowed Maya to continue her study because she believed intervening over misgivings was emotional and not logical, and Maya had convinced her of the worth of this research.

[eager trout]

There is, but it's less questionable when they're robots

[jagged badge]

Exos aren’t robots

[trim grotto]

[jagged badge]

They’re full on people

[ember storm]

they’re essentially just full body prosthetics

everything upstairs is the same

they’re people

their bodies are indeed corpses and treating them like objects is obscenely grotesque and inhuman

[chrome fog]

The whole point of the development of Exos is quite literally to serve as a full body prosthesis for humans with poor physical health, as well as make their new physical form functionally immortal

[eager trout]

Ok, there's no way for it to not be morally questionable if it involves something Clovis Bray made

[jagged badge]

That’s not really relevant

[chrome fog]

Yes??????

Those are fucking people

Those are fellow colonists

Were

[raw hazel]

[rich veldt]

good old morality debates to do with the big evil research corps

[raw hazel]

Is every Exo now a bad person because Clovis was the concept's originator???

That seems a bit silly to me.

[eager trout]

Ok, let's just blame Clovis and call it a day

[trim grotto]

...?

[chrome fog]

What?

[raw hazel]

[trim grotto]

Why are we discussing Clovis at all?

[rich veldt]

yeah clovis has no relation but creating exos

[chrome fog]

This was about Maya conducting the Veil experiments and how you came to the conclusion that Chioma Esi was enabling her experiments because Maya is her wife, when no she was enabling her experiments as a fellow researcher and was concerned her feelings as her wife were what was causing her apprehension

Clovis is not involved in this at all

[kindred wyvern]

how old is eramis?

[iron mortar]

At least 500 or something

She saw the whirlwind

So she is old

[trim grotto]

She's from Riis itself, before the Whirlwind. So untold centuries.

[iron mortar]

The oldest fallen still alive is variks

He saw the whirlwind and is older than eramis I believe

[trim grotto]

There have been a few Whirlwind survivors.

[iron mortar]

And fallen don't age a lot if given proper amounts of ether

The giant fallen we see is technically how they all should look like, but the ether supply is too low now for all fallen to look like that way

[jagged badge]

I think captains are how they should look on average

[trim grotto]

Captains, yes.

[iron mortar]

Wait what about the biggest fallen, the giant ones, is that like them just bulking up on ether

[trim grotto]

Gorging themselves, yes.

[raw hazel]

Y e p

They take the proverbial lion's share, whilst everyone else got scraps.

It's actually one of House Light's recruiting tactics, fairer Ether rationing. Spider does the same.

[iron mortar]

In the lore do they ever describe the process of how servitors are created

In addition the cutscene where eramis destroyed the servitor was cool, but like is that their food supply

So I know it is rejecting the traveler but they need to eat

[jagged badge]

Not quite food

Also it’s only one

[raw hazel]

Eido talked about it, lemme see if I can find the clip..

[jagged badge]

We saw how Salvation still had plenty of Servitors

They just went revered or anything

[trim grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fshFeLsZdsc

[jagged badge]

In fact, isn’t their title “Defiled Servitor”?

[raw hazel]

DAMMIT MAEL

[iron mortar]

Is this the video how servitors are made

[trim grotto]

What? No.

It's about Ether.

[iron mortar]

Also I just realized Mael using periods and proper Grammer when texting, it is so elegant

[little ivy]

so i’m not entirely knowledgeable on some lore but what exactly is the statue in the deep stone crypt that we see right before atraks?

[trim grotto]

No.

[little ivy]

this one to be exact

[chrome fog]

Just a statue commonly found in the Pyramids, the Witness used it to influence and communicate with Clovis and we commune with another one to gain the power of Stasis; Eris had communed with one in the Moon Pyramid and got Stasis that way

[little ivy]

Ohh ok

[trim grotto]

This one specifically is known as Clarity Control.

[chrome fog]

There’s some theories on it being the Gardener, maybe the Winnower, but nothing wholly conclusive

[iron mortar]

In addition, does Riis still exist or is the planet destroyed or a wasteland

[trim grotto]

Clovis Bray used it to change the form of Vex Radiolaria into a fluid he dubbed as Alkahest, which he used to stabilise Exominds (and also preform other functions such as, apparently, power).

[trim grotto]

We don't know the exact state of it, but I'd wager it's a wasteland.

[chrome fog]

Presumably destroyed, it was visited by both the Pyramid forces and supposedly the Hive, if the lore text on the Doom of Chelchis is to be considered

[eager trout]

Why is Vex Mythoclast a Fusion Rifle and not an Auto Rifle?

[chrome fog]

Which suggests the Kell of Stone was Taken or at least subjugated by Oryx when he stayed to defend the fleeing Eliksni skiffs

[trim grotto]

That's one reason why it's Exotic. It ties into the alt fire.

[chrome fog]

Because

[iron mortar]

https://youtu.be/5CHdjshBOzw?si=jW3gRcF9q57UBHHu

I rewatching this and EIDO isn't wrong

[eager trout]

What's that you see through the portal where you get the Vex Mythoclast catalyst?

[remote sky]

I wanna know more about the iron lords, they sound like a fun group of people according to
Felwinter's Helm, they seem to care about fashion. Also felwinter is fucking brutal.
And I keep hearing about someone being thrown

[iron mortar]

Guardians do take the ability to resurrect for granted

[remote sky]

I'm surprised there isn't a canonical group of "Jackass" guardians

[iron mortar]

And if actual players are accurate some guardians don't even actually protect the city and just do crucible

[trim grotto]

The Iron Lords! A legendary group of early Lightbearers who banded together in the Dark Age to bring order.

Also that throwing thing would be referring to Lord Saladin Forge and Lady Efrideet.

Lady Efriyeet

[raw hazel]

i wish we get eliksni lightbearers eventually

[remote sky]

Yeah Efrideet sounds like an amazing friend

[eager trout]

How come Chioma didn't realize Maya didn't care about the uh..."test subjects" until they were dead?

[trim grotto]

Nessus. The Whisper, specifically.

[remote sky]

Four arms, four solar knives

[raw hazel]

omg

imagine

FOUR GOLDEN GUNS

[remote sky]

SILENCE

[eager trout]

Eliksni Lightbearers would probably have their own unique classes and abilities

[remote sky]

Considering the hive don't, I doubt it

[eager trout]

They do have their own supers

Kind of

[remote sky]

Nope

[eager trout]

Plus, the Hive aren't exactly creative

[remote sky]

Blade barrage, stormtrance, c'mon.

[chrome fog]

They’re fairly inspired by our own existing subclasses

Sentinal shield

[remote sky]

Yeah I just forgot the name lol

[eager trout]

Btw, how come Queensbane or whatever isn't an Eliksni weapon?

[trim grotto]

The Queenbreaker?

okay well assuming that was a yes, then, it is.

[eager trout]

It is?

[chrome fog]

Nothing really saying isn’t, is there

[eager trout]

Wasn't it used against Mara Sov?

[trim grotto]

Known as Queenbreakers' Bows, the very weapons once used in an effort to assassinate the Queen of the Reef are now prized possessions for Guardians—not only for their storied history, but for the chance to get their hands on fully functional Fallen weaponry. Explicitly, yes.

[trim grotto]

Yes. I don't see the issue.

[jagged badge]

I’m telling Mara you said this

[chrome fog]

Like we have Skyburner as a Red War exotic too, a weapon’s a weapon

Hell we have Thorn replicas as common exotics when they’re mimicking a weapon that’s killed other Guardians before

[jagged badge]

You’re about to see firsthand what her contingency is

[chrome fog]

This hasn’t been much of an issue as you’re probably thinking

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gun-reload-getting-ready-gif-17031430

You know too much Eris.

[eager trout]

Why would the Fallen try to kill Mara? And how did they even reach her-?

[trim grotto]

The House of Wolves were under Mara's command at the time. One moment.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa. How? Why?" The Hunter frowns. "Why trust enemies with your life?" A pause. "No offense, buddy."

The Captain shrugs: none taken. "Eia. Strange to do. But Eliksni… we been breathe-always love for honor. New promise not unmake an old. Wolves would been follow Marakel forever if Skolas does not appear again."```

[remote sky]

Actually, what ever did happen to the iron lords? I'm assuming they aren't dead, just disbanded but idk

[chrome fog]

Died trying to secure a SIVA printer that Rasputin used on them

[trim grotto]

Site 6 and the Ironsbane. They all died to SIVA, as per Rasputin's command.

All but Lord Saladin and Lady Efrideet.

[remote sky]

ffuck

How did we get their helmets and stuff? (Felwinter)

[eager trout]

What exactly was Osiris' obsession that he mentions in Lightfall?

[trim grotto]

That was just an Exotic reward. But a bunch of their gear was recovered from Site 6.

[remote sky]

Pr sure it was the sundial

Don't listen to me tho I'm stupid

[trim grotto]

Depends, you'd have to remind me of the context. Could've been the Vex or the Sundial or something else.

He's had a few.

[jagged badge]

It’s his work in general I’d imagine

[remote sky]

I believe he was talking to nimbus about grief

How it makes you do stupid things

[jagged badge]

Osiris spends a lot of moments across Seraph and Lightfall lamenting how little he appreciated his time before with loved ones because he was so obsessed with knowledge and fighting the Vex and such

[chrome fog]

… both the Eliksni and the Awoken made their way to Earth where the Traveler is, it’s not impossible for them to have run into each other in the time since the Collapse. Very specifically, Mara subjugated the House of Wolves and had them serve her in both securing the Reef and overall acting as auxiliary forces for the Awoken, to which Skolas wanted to break out of that service and rebelled against Mara; then there’s also the early Eliksni’s hatred of humanity due to the Traveler making her last stand with us whilst they still believed she abandoned them in their time of need, and Awoken are still part of Humanity

[eager trout]

What happened to Skywatcher(?) after being sent to eliminate Rasputin?

[remote sky]

Omg you giving the traveler a gender reminded me of what I called the traveler portal the second I saw it solely because it was pink
Why must you remind me of my dark past

[trim grotto]

...Stargazer?

[eager trout]

NO

[eager trout]

I guess?

"Contemplacielos" in Spanish

[chrome fog]

The Traveler is referred to either in the feminine or as It in the lore, it’s not just me applying a random gender to her

[trim grotto]

They came home.

[smoky basalt]

eris morn is savathun

[remote sky]

I guess, I'm just more used to the golfball being a
It

[jagged badge]

[eager trout]

But Rasputin wasn't destroyed

[trim grotto]

She wasn't trying to destroy him.

[trim grotto]

Hush.

[remote sky]

So why did Rasputin make SIVA do the whole.. y'know. And then we allied with him? I'm so very confused

[trim grotto]

Rasputin used SIVA to kill Lord Felwinter. The Iron Lords were... collateral.

[raw hazel]

Eva Levante is Calus

[remote sky]

Wtf did felwinter do

[jagged badge]

Think about it, have we ever seen Eris and Savathûn in the same ro-

[trim grotto]

He was his son.

[remote sky]

what

[jagged badge]

Ah

[remote sky]

EXPLAIN YOURSELF, MAEL

[trim grotto]

Rasputin created an AI, a sort of Submind, and planted it into an Exobody to live amongst and study humans.

During the Collapse, this Exobody died, and was resurrected by a Ghost.

[remote sky]

I??

[jagged badge]

They

[trim grotto]

My mistake.

[jagged badge]

Figured

[trim grotto]

Outside of his control, and able to access any of Rasputin's bunkers, he attempted to kill him.

[jagged badge]

[remote sky]

There we go

[chrome fog]

They was sent to erase any records of Neomuna’s existence, not destroy Rasputin

Oh whoops my bad

[raw hazel]

Mael

[eager trout]

What is MSund12?

[remote sky]

Damn. Felwinter seems like a brutal sick dude

[remote sky]

TJATS MAYA!!

In the vex sims

[trim grotto]

Probably the 12th simulated copy of Maya Sundaresh.

[trim grotto]

Hally Booo

[raw hazel]

How hard is it to get three (3) Trials engrams, and are you any decent at Trials?

[jagged badge]

A question for another day I suppose

[raw hazel]

I want a specific piece of armor for transmog..

[jagged badge]

But for now, well done

[eager trout]

Wait, what was the name of the first Cloudstrider?

[jagged badge]

The Strider

[remote sky]

So currently I know about
Reed and the gang (rip)
The Iron lords (loose knowledge)
The sun exotic creators

I wanna know about more guardians

[trim grotto]

I am decent at PvP
3 wouldn't be too bad

I'm heading to sleep now but we can absolutely do this tomorrow

[jagged badge]

Her real name was Mikaela Julaha though

[eager trout]

How original

[remote sky]

Daring today, aren't we?

[jagged badge]

Well, yeah

That’s the point

She’s the original

[trim grotto]

Well, yes.
She was.

[chrome fog]

Check within the Dark Age and City Age portions of the Ishtar Collective timeline, there’s bound to be a couple honorable mentions of significant guardian activities, though Dyno has asked if there were any events people would like added to the timeline

[raw hazel]

Travelexcellent….

[eager trout]

How did Chioma even contact the Vex? It's not like you can just call them, right?

[chrome fog]

Also recommend going into Drifter’s past

[remote sky]

Whose dyno

[trim grotto]

Maya, Chioma, and their Ishtar team were Vex experts. They spent decades studying them.

[remote sky]

Oh yeah I read about the planet he was on while ghaul fucked shit up

[chrome fog]

Do you know how Ishtar got so big in-universe? They found a Vex goblin frame and found 227 copies of themselves being simulated

[remote sky]

So the vex were hiding and studying them?

[eager trout]

Also, how big is the Traveler? Because it doesn't seen to fit inside the "roots" of the Veil.

[remote sky]

Big

[chrome fog]

All Vex, in connection with the Vex Network, simulate reality to determine which course of action is most optimal

[chrome fog]

Ishtar Collective website timeline curator, if you’d like he’s in the Ishtar Collective discord

And the Cryptarchy discord

[eager trout]

Why does the Veil have a hole?

[remote sky]

I know this bit, but how would the vex have known what actions these people would take without studying them for.. well, their entire lives. Humans are unpredictable, flexible. They change over time.

[trim grotto]

I don't really know what you mean by that. The Veil is significantly smaller.

The Traveler is very, very large. The size is somewhat inconsistent in portrayal, however.

[chrome fog]

They just simulate reality all the time. That’s how they think. Not quite instinctual but also just how they naturally process reality

[raw hazel]

Wife...

[chrome fog]

I think they meant the Traveler is too big for the “roots” of the Veil

[remote sky]

Fair

[trim grotto]

Well that's clear yes

[muted hemlock]

Does season of defiance, deep, witch, and wish take place before, during, or after lightfall?

[eager trout]

Exactly. The roots of the Veil grow to look like they're covering a sphere during the Calus boss fight.

[remote sky]

Well the veil wasn't meant to plug into the traveller or anything

[chrome fog]

After, except Defiance which was in tandem with Lightfall

[eager trout]

Homie simps for a ball

[remote sky]

Eh prob just calus or witness fuckin with it to make the battle more dramatic (and consequentially make us think we're winning)

[chrome fog]

To elaborate further, their “time travel” is exactly that, simulations of possible pasts and futures

[trim grotto]

not a bro

[trim grotto]

The point of them is as direct continuations of the story.

[remote sky]

Is bro a gendered word?

[trim grotto]

It literally is, yes.

[eager trout]

I say that to everyone

[trim grotto]

Be that as it may

[eager trout]

What

[raw hazel]

Maybe not everyone wants to be referred to as such.

[remote sky]

Hang on
To my knowledge neutral words are things like
Bro, Dude, Pal, Buddy. They all mean friend. Admittedly, bro is derived from brother, but still.

[eager trout]

Homie

[empty fern]

When da tree in da garden

[jagged badge]

It can be used neutrally, but that doesn’t mean everyone will feel comfortable with it

[remote sky]

Bah, humanity and their free will

[jagged badge]

[raw hazel]

My wife loves to garden, but we have to wait to get her cancer treatment in a few weeks

[chrome fog]

Old Tree of Silver Wings stump, supposedly; though we don’t exactly know the nature of the Black Garden we don’t know the implications of the Tree of Silver Wings exist here

[eager trout]

I'd say it's more of a parasite

[remote sky]

Hally Bo lore dump (I'm sorry if this is hurtful I'm not very good at this emotion stuff)

[jagged badge]

The Traveler?

[eager trout]

Or a mindfu-

[trim grotto]

Traveler

[chrome fog]

No

[eager trout]

The Witness

[jagged badge]

Ohh

[raw hazel]

ajfea;fijwe I'm jesting, I'm just very normal about the Traveler

[chrome fog]

But I get it, she gotta get her operation

[eager trout]

The Witness literally entered the Traveler's mind without consent, so yes

[raw hazel]

It's been very touch and go over the last year...

[remote sky]

Consent lmao

[empty fern]

Destiny really likes their spheres
Blight ball
Traveler
Oversouls (ish)
The black heart
And uhhh, other things (but mainly those)

[trim grotto]

okay well this is getting weird now so i shall go sleep

ciao

[raw hazel]

;if;ajie;ao

[eager trout]

Servitors

[raw hazel]

G'night Mael

[jagged badge]

Au revoir

[empty fern]

That’s just a sub line of traveler

[trim grotto]

fairtheewell hally bally bo

[trim grotto]

stinky

g'night

[eager trout]

Did you consume Radiolarian Fluid?

[remote sky]

Idk may the witness invade your dreams with it's propaganda or smthn

[jagged badge]

Don’t fall asleep

[trim grotto]

[muted hemlock]

Alright, thanks!

[empty fern]

YOU

[remote sky]

Ohhh the witness is a tumor and.. ohhhhh

[empty fern]

You are the one that asks tons of questions sometimes

[remote sky]

Who

[empty fern]

Blue

[remote sky]

Dj

[empty fern]

Ye

[remote sky]

I bet I ask even more 😎

[empty fern]

Nah

[remote sky]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-are-you-challenging-me-scooby-gif-13519095

[empty fern]

It’ll be 2am and they’ll pop 5 questions at once

[chrome fog]

Rule 3 man, don’t skirt the line

[eager trout]

How is that skirting the line-?

[remote sky]

Isn't consent literally just getting confirmation

Definition of the word

Meh I ain't gonna start shit over it

[loud sage]

Bro who tf is tolland the floating ball

[remote sky]

ERIS FIRETEAM MEMBER

[empty fern]

It’s the phrase itself that’s there

[eager trout]

Don't become a Lightbearer, for your Ghost's sake.

[ornate bough]

It’s not that deep

[loud sage]

O the mf who died of the death song

[remote sky]

Idk he got shattered

[eager trout]

Toland the Shattered

[loud sage]

L+raitio lmao

[chrome fog]

Trying to equate the Witness inside the Traveler to the thing Rule 3 prevents discussion about would be skirting the line

[ornate bough]

Just let it go

[chrome fog]

Mods are chill but like. No

[loud sage]

What happend with her 3 member?

[eager trout]

I was equating it to your mind being invaded

Ded

[chrome fog]

Still
People have taken little jokes like that and escalated, so just saying

[remote sky]

Dead, not big surprise

[empty fern]

I wonder, anything interesting in the shadowkeep weapon lore tabs?

[eager trout]

How are you a cabbage?

[empty fern]

Don’t question it

[remote sky]

Just is

[loud sage]

Ye but like he or her did not become shaterd

[chrome fog]

The Hellmouth fireteam was 6 members

I would continue but my phones gonna die

[remote sky]

Hive r cruel, they shattered toland, killed the other, and eris

Idfk

[loud sage]

Damn

[chrome fog]

Toland was a Sword Logic simp

Don’t feel bad

[loud sage]

Lmao

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperor-disciples_oryx-gif-25555392

[remote sky]

Crota sphere

[empty fern]

Indeed

[remote sky]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-balloon-hot-air-balloon-face-funny-gif-14656571

[empty fern]

What’s more interesting
Neomuna hall of heroes radio
Or Elsie’s Europa radio

[eager trout]

Elsie has a radio?

[empty fern]

Yes

[remote sky]

Yellow

[eager trout]

What

[jagged badge]

Eris and five others attempted to assassinate Crota in revenge for the Great Disaster when Crota and the Hive slaughtered many Guardians.
Vell Tarlowe was overwhelmed by Thrall and slain by Alak Hul, the Darkblade.
Toland went off to go listen to Ir Yût’s Deathsong and, well…died. Only, he survives in his weird little Throne World.
Omar Agah was captured and had his Light slowly stripped and peeled from him to feed Thrall. Eventually, this ritual went wrong and transmuted him entirely. Omar ended up in a weird bug form and now fuels the weapon Xenophage.
Sai Mota was killed over and over again by, I believe, Omnigul. Eventually, wormrot clung to her and left her Ghost unable to resurrect her again.
I don’t remember myself how Eriana-3 perished but she did also die

And then Eris survived after her Ghost sacrificed herself so the Hive couldn’t track her Light

[remote sky]

Toland has a throne world??

[remote sky]

And does that mean, technically, that Sai's ghost is alive?

[chrome fog]

That ball he is is his Throneworld

[jagged badge]

Can’t imagine so

They probably slew the Ghost too

[remote sky]

Portable throne world

[eager trout]

Imagine a Ghost shell that's just the ball

[remote sky]

As a cute ghost with a fishy friend once said
"Naked..."

[jagged badge]

[y:02] Now my Light is fading. But if there's a chance to revive her, I won't leave her. I won't…```

[eager trout]

What

[remote sky]

The quicksilver ghost

[eager trout]

The what

[remote sky]

I don't know how to pull up lore things uh

[eager trout]

Use uppercase

[chrome fog]

His physical form was peeled away when hearing the Deathsong and his immaterial soul has remained, which is why his Throneworld is so small

[chrome fog]

Use Ishtar Collective

[remote sky]

So he heard a song and became a god?

[remote sky]

Uno momento

[chrome fog]

He’s not a god, he’s a little pathetic orb

And that Deathsong is what it says on the tin, a Song that causes Death

[remote sky]

Here

[jagged badge]

You don’t need to be a “god” to have a Throne World

[remote sky]

There goes my understanding

[jagged badge]

Mara created one through Wish Magic. And hell, an Eliksni created a Throne World too

[remote sky]

Omg tell me about the eliksni

[jagged badge]

Hiraks, the Mindbender