well they rely on us to live strong as they are
#📚lore-discussion
dim minnow
ember ginkgo
like behavior-wise
chrome fog
And prophesize that dungeon did - albeit represented by Taken enemies (fake Taken supposedly/apparently, I don't remember because it's been a whiel since I've refreshed my Nine lore), the Nine warned us of future events as well as pushing the idea that there is not as much a divide between the Light and Darkness like we had believed before
dim minnow
they can boil your brain in tis very skull
they tried to when Drifter back talked them, but he used his Light to protect it
chrome fog
This book helps further explain stuff about them, but they purposefully speak in riddle and ambiguity
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-dust
ember ginkgo
are those symbols written in Matoran?
chrome fog
They also hijacked an Awoken Titan whom Queen Mara tasked with seeking out and learning more about the Nine, she's the Emissary within the Dungeon
chrome fog
are those symbols written in Matoran?
Unfortunately not, it's the Nine's own special thing 
(But also seriously there's a entomological analysis of the Matoran alphabet and language I can dm you if you want)
ember ginkgo
oh for sure!
chrome fog
(Just to add one last thing, the PhD who wrote that paper is also really good at Bionicle Fanfic)
trim grotto
are those symbols written in Matoran?
Count how many spaces there are within the circles
trim grotto
shadow crypt
If the Light makes people forget who they were when it resurrects them for the first time and makes them guardians, how does Ana Bray remember her childhood, unless she became a guardian as a child? Do some people become guardians before dying, and only those who become guardians when their ghosts first find their bodies lose their memories?
exotic cloak
I think these guys can explain it better but as far as I understand
dim minnow
If the Light makes people forget who they were when it resurrects them for the f...
she lost all her memories
dim minnow
it's jsut that she had an ID card on her when she rezzed
there was an instance in the Dark Future where the Witness showed her a memory from her childhood
but it was only in the Dark Future timeline
shadow crypt
it's jsut that she had an ID card on her when she rezzed
So that would be how she now knows her past experiences?
jagged badge
If the Light makes people forget who they were when it resurrects them for the f...
Only dead people can be risen as Guardians. And all Guardians lose their memories on initial resurrection
dim minnow
So that would be how she now knows her past experiences?
she doesn't have her memories
jagged badge
Ana couldn’t have been made a Guardian as a child anyway because Guardians didn’t exist until the Collapse, when she was already an adult
In fact, she perished specifically in the Collapse
jagged badge
Correct
dim minnow
Since the Dark Ages?
since right after the Collapse
jagged badge
The Traveler created the Ghosts in/at the end of the Collapse
dim minnow
Were the dark ages after or before the collapse?
Golden age -> Collapse -> Dark Age -> City Age (you are here)
jagged badge
The Dark Age was a direct result of the devastation of the Collapse
Humanity scattered, Warlords exploiting their power, Fallen beginning to raid settlements
shadow crypt
Was the Golden Age the direct result of the Traveler?
shadow crypt
Humanity scattered, Warlords exploiting their power, Fallen beginning to raid se...
ah ok
dim minnow
Was the Golden Age the direct result of the Traveler?
Golden Age started when Humanity confronted the Traveler on Mars in the Ares One mission
shadow crypt
Golden age -> Collapse -> Dark Age -> City Age (you are here)
Did these events happen over a couple hundred years?
Or even thousands
dim minnow
we don't have exact numbers
but it is estimated that maybe 700-1000 years passed between the start of the Golden Age to now
at the very least around 500 maybe
simple depot
Anyone know what powers early lightbearers had? Assuming the powers we have now had to be taught
dim minnow
Anyone know what powers early lightbearers had? Assuming the powers we have now ...
they were pretty much the same
simple depot
I thought the abilities each class has now was the result of centuries of honing and study
Otherwise guardians would be able to summon just about anything they can imagine right?
dim minnow
Otherwise guardians would be able to summon just about anything they can imagine...
eh
granted we probably didn't start using Light abilities until some time passed
we don't have much on Guardians right at the start of the Dark Age
spiral crane
Golden Age started when Humanity confronted the Traveler on Mars in the Ares One...
How exactly did the travelers benefit humanity
What did ur do
It*
dim minnow
not counting anything that happened during the Collapse and after, the most notable thing it did was terraform various planets and moons in Sol
we know it terraformed 2 unnamed Moons of Jupiter, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Io in that order
although we aren't sure if it visited any other destinations between its visit to Mars and Io at this time
I believe there were some more minor gifts too like a "topological thought" that Elsie intended to use as a weapon to destroy the Vex on Volantis (a Star the Vex converted into a forge which the Glassway portal on Europa leads to)
chrome fog
Count how many spaces there are within the circles
In fairness
trim grotto
I have no idea what that is.
chrome fog
Matoric alphabet. Or at least one of the alphabets it used during Bionicle’s initial run, there’s another set which was based on hexagonal symbols
trim grotto
I know virtually nothing about Bionicle and I do not seek to change this.
chrome fog
But what if it was in academic paper form?
trim grotto
I know virtually nothing about Bionicle and I do not seek to change this.
chrome fog
Mael you hurt me
trim grotto
Robot people made of misshapen lego bricks do not catch my whimsy
chrome fog
But they’re all partially organic; in fact despite the entire universe that is explored in the first 8 years of the toy line is artificially made, they were made biomechanical to mimic their creators
trim grotto
I know virtually nothing about Bionicle and I do not seek to change this.
jagged badge
I know virtually nothing about Bionicle and I do not seek to change this.
You should become a scholar of Hero Factory lore instead
trim grotto
You should become a scholar of Hero Factory lore instead
I have no idea what this is
dim minnow
I have no idea what this is
different theme, but used the same building system as Bionicle
jagged badge
Well, kinda
Same principle but it was a very new/innovated building system. Very few shared parts I believe
But yeah it was Lego’s attempt at a Bionicle successor
I can’t remember how long it lasted tbh
I know it ended and then they also tried to revive Bionicle again after though
dim minnow
I still got a Dragonbolt from that theme on my shelf
chrome fog
Same principle but it was a very new/innovated building system. Very few shared ...
First wave of sets was very much still based on the Technic system ball joints and what not, but then the second "season" of sets introduced the "Creature and Character Building System" aka ccbs system, which was much more streamlined for the type of build they wanted for Hero Factory, itself a somewhat derivation on the Glatorian build which is itself somewhat based on the Ignika build
dim minnow
First wave of sets was very much still based on the Technic system ball joints a...
ok, now what building system is Galidor?
chrome fog
LEGO System based
Uh idk Galidor was wacky
Fun Fact Hero Factory was going to be much more interesting than just intergalactic space police and reveal that the founder was originally someone from the Bionicle universe (itself being somewhat intergalactic as well; Mata Nui was a giant survey robot meant to implant itself on alien planets and record civilizations in order to ascertain the best way to unite the warring tribes of Spherus Magna after the entire planet split into a desert planet and two moons of jungle and water respectively, itself caused by a struggle over energized protodermis, which was mcguffin silver goo found in veins across the planet)
Wait hold on Nick Bluetooth
Yeah, Galidor is barely compatible with Lego but it's possible to moc pieces
At least it isn’t as weird as this technical Lego set
https://youtu.be/wMwfSTGWHII?si=KNXjXFx1O-1GD57o
I need to save my Bionicle lore rants for when the month’s over
ember storm
what about the tv show where they put the H on their chests
ember ginkgo
Lore Question: What the dog doin?
(when and where did this angel come from?)
trim grotto
Seraph Station! We found him there in Season of the Seraph, apparently made by Rasputin for reasons unclear.
You can still find the spot we found him, in fact
His name is Archie
ember ginkgo
really now? Well im just gonna assume this is a spy for Rasputin. followed us here to keep an eye on our digital dog treats... lil fella seemss hungry
dim minnow
what about the tv show where they put the H on their chests
Hero Factory
dim minnow
Lore Question: *What the dog doin?*
(when and where did this angel come from?)
his name is Archangel funny enough (Archie for short)
ember ginkgo
ARCHIE wow thats precious
trim grotto
really now? Well im just gonna assume this is a spy for Rasputin. followed us he...
Uh, well. Rasputin's a little... a little dead.
So there isn't much spying going on.
ember ginkgo
wtf did we delete their hard drive?
trim grotto
He deleted it himself, in a way. Sacrificed himself to shut down the Warsat network which Eramis had hijacked, and aimed at the Traveler.
ember ginkgo
WH-- didnt we kill Eramis??
trim grotto
In Beyond Light? The Witness freed her a couple of years ago.
trim grotto
She'd been forced into it's labour since then.
Since Seraph, she has escaped.
But she's a broken woman. The Witness abandoned her, her people are no better off, and she has left... hoping to find her partner, Athrys, who she left in the Collapse and sent to a distant, safe star with her children.
ember ginkgo
she woulda stayed a different sort of broken woman if the game let me tape my Lament to her face the way i did when i beat that DLC
is the leader of House Light still alive?
i know thats the last thing i finished
trim grotto
Misraaks/Mithrax? Yes, he is, and he's quite comfortable and safe in the City with his daughter, Eido.
ember ginkgo
hell yea, i even noticed how many more Eliksni are bing chilling in the Tower nowadays. 
trim grotto
Indeed
Cabal of the Ascendancy, Eliksni of House Light, and Awoken
ember ginkgo
whats with the Cabal standing guard here though? Are these Caitl's goons?
trim grotto
They are with Caiatl, yes
ember ginkgo
So we didnt turn her into a gun like the Zavala meme suggested, lol. How did we manage that?
trim grotto
That's a bit of a long story if you want all the details, but the short answer is that we brokered a ceasefire that developed into an alliance.
I'm too busy right now for long stories
dim minnow
I ain't
trim grotto
I'm putting together a bed with a tiny little allen key and I hate it
dim minnow
ok, so back in Season of the Chosen, Caiatl arrived in the Sol system with the rest of the remnants of the Cabal Empire
ember ginkgo
trim grotto
dim minnow
what happened not long prior was that the Cabal homeworld of Torobatl was ransacked by Xivu Arath (who was led there by Savathun) so Caiatl took what was left of the collapsing empire and took it to Sol to regroup
there, she decided to make an offer withthe Vanguard
basically, the Guardians would be absorbed into the Cabal Empire so we could fight the Darkness together, but Zavala refused since it was no different than us surrendering to them
trim grotto
Don't forget the reason why she had to offer such a hard deal
ember ginkgo
DAAAAMN the balls on that woman holy shit
dim minnow
Don't forget the reason why she had to offer such a hard deal
you're referring to the fact that her council wanted to go to war with us right?
dim minnow
yeah, so anyways, after we refuse, she goes on to start collecting what remained of Red Legion forces and basically the situation started escalating from there
ember ginkgo
Cabal moment
dim minnow
Saladin really suggested we end this now and go to war with Caiatl, but Zavala was on the fence about that idea
he of course knew that there wasn't a totally peaceful way to end it
in the meantime, we would go and eliminate high value Cabal targets that Caiatl was trying to recruit into her war council
there was also a plot devised by a small conclave of psions to assassinate Zavala due to previous events
trim grotto
DAAAAMN the balls on that woman holy shit
Basically if she asked for an alliance, her people would abandon her, rebel, go fucking nuts. They are Cabal. They have honour.
But she knew they couldn't win, yet needed our help.
So she orchestrated a delicate political and cultural dance of a deal to be refused, and honourable combat to be revitalised.
ember ginkgo
jesus christ
trim grotto
She deftly weaved her way through the Cabal traditions and her need for our assistance
dim minnow
which could be summarized as us killing three psions flayer sisters and then stopping the 4th one's revenge attempt by blowing up the Almighty which was on a collision course towards the Last City
ember ginkgo
we really ought to get some bigger artillery guns by the Last City
trim grotto
we really ought to get some bigger artillery guns by the Last City
The Almighty was bigger than the entire city itself
AA can only do so much
ember ginkgo
bigger gun
dim minnow
and to make matters worse, these psions stole some cabal technology that the Red Legion once used to cage the Traveler and reverse-engineered it into smaller devices that can be attached onto Ghosts to suppress the Light of individual Guardians, making them very vulnerable
dim minnow
bigger gun
we had Rasputin's help at that point
trim grotto
We recruited Rasputin to make that bigger gun
Then the Pyramids shut him down for a while
ember ginkgo
we had Rasputin's help at that point
ah THERE'S the gun
dim minnow
and to make matters worse, these psions stole some cabal technology that the Red...
so anyways, the psions made one attempt to kill Zavala, but failed because he was warned by Crow
ember ginkgo
damn poor fella
dim minnow
then Zavala would come up with a plan to put an end to the growing conflict
dim minnow
essentially, we would be sent to face a champion of Caiatl's choosing in a final Rit of Proving
dim minnow
Crow jumped in front of the knife in fact
I was referring to the first attempt, not the second, we aren;t there yet
ember ginkgo
dim minnow
essentially, we would be sent to face a champion of Caiatl's choosing in a final...
if we win, then Caiatl would back down and accept our terms of Armistice
if we lose, then Zavala will be forced into Caiatl's war council as a political prisoner of sorts
so, we won to no one's surprise
and Zavala and Caiatl meet up for peace talks
but then, the psion conclave makes their second and final attempt on Zavala's life
trim grotto
(Not by Caiatl's orders)
dim minnow
one of them hits his Ghost with the mini cage, making Zavala temporarily Lightless, and the other charges at Zavala with the big knife which as Mael mentioned, was blocked by Crow
trim grotto
With his face
dim minnow
before the psion with the knife could strike again, Caiatl grabbed her and smashed her on the ground, almost killing her instantly
ember ginkgo
With his face
PFF DAMN
trim grotto
before the psion with the knife could strike again, Caiatl grabbed her and smash...
Full on body slam
dim minnow
so all ends well, the armistice is established, the other psion was apprehended and executed, and the road to an actual alliance is paved
dim minnow
oh, and it was also the moment Zavala found out Crow was Uldren
ember ginkgo
so all ends well, the armistice is established, the other psion was apprehended ...
LETS GOOO
ember ginkgo
oh, and it was also the moment Zavala found out Crow was Uldren
HAHA OH
dim minnow
around a year later, Season of the Risen would act as kind of a continuation of what Chosen established
where we move forward with our developing alliance with the Cabal Empire
a psion envoy is sent to the Last City to aid us in our psionic intelligence program where we capture Hive Lightbearers and scour their minds for intel on their plans
ember ginkgo
around a year later, Season of the Risen would act as kind of a continuation of ...
(season of the what-now?)
dim minnow
Saladin has moved on from his desire to wage war on Caiatl so he;s chill
ember ginkgo
thats good to hear for him
dim minnow
Crow on the other hand starts having doubts mainly on the ethics of using the psions to get intel from enemy minds
Saladin gives Crow a lecture on why it's good to murder children who steal (I'm exaggerating and leaving out important details here as a joke)
trim grotto
(season of the what-now?)
Lightbearers. Risen by Ghosts. We, as Guardians, are Risen Lightbearers.
ember ginkgo
Saladin gives Crow a lecture on why it's good to murder children who steal (I'm ...
Yea Crow, get with the program.
dim minnow
Saladin gives Crow a lecture on why it's good to murder children who steal (I'm ...
in the end, we stop the Lucent Brood's plans and Crow decides that we don't need the Psion's expertise now so he goes to the room where the mind scouring device is and tries to turn it off while the psion envoy was still hooked into it
as a result, the psion is killed in a freak accident and Caiatl is pissed
dim minnow
yeah, then he fucking dies
trim grotto
Whoops.
ember ginkgo
and there goes Crow making me hate him again
(i still wear my Memory of Cayde bond)
dim minnow
before going further
I should state that at the start of this season, which goes alongside the start of Witch Queen, we kind of massacre a lot of Caiatl's troops for no good reason other than "they were in our way"
luckily, Caiatl let it slide just this once
unluckily, Crow screwed up
so Caiatl demands an answer for the psion's death
trim grotto
and there goes Crow making me hate him again
(i still wear my *Memory of Cayde*...
To clarify, Crow felt some level of connection to the comatose brain dead Hive being mindscoured.
He was used by Savathûn and considered his past self to be a monster too, and there was some wild inner guilt manifesting in a very stupid way here.
Leading him to accidentally fry Caiatl's close Psion friend
ember ginkgo
BOO-HOO CROW
dim minnow
she approaches Crow and is about to kill him for it when Saladin gets in the way and offers to take the fall for Crow
Caiatl accepts and instead forces Saladin to be on her war council (kind of like what would have happened to Zavala if we failed the last Rite of Proving)
trim grotto
Bracus Forge
ember ginkgo
dim minnow
at first it's not really an ideal way to end things, but Saladin managed to achieve the rank of Valus pretty quickly
dim minnow
Bracus Forge
Valus now
trim grotto
Yes
trim grotto
at first it's not really an ideal way to end things, but Saladin managed to achi...
Via 1 on 1 combat with a Valus using no Light and nothing but his axe
dim minnow
so after that our alliance with the Cabal just keeps on advancing further
ember ginkgo
Via 1 on 1 combat with a Valus using no Light and nothing but his axe
THASS MUH BOI
dim minnow
read this, it's context for Saladin's lecture on killing a thieving child
pretty good and gritty
heh
gritty
ember ginkgo
Btw how is my boi doing these days since Splicer?
dim minnow
Btw how is my boi doing these days since Splicer?
quite a lot
dim minnow
he didn't take the news that Osiris was possessed by Savathun very well
ember ginkgo
oh yea i bet not
dim minnow
he helped Mara exorcise Savathun's worm
ember ginkgo
It has been very cute
i love to hear it
trim grotto
i love to hear it
Even better, you can see it
One moment
dim minnow
then he would obtain a tea made from diluted Darkness taken from Nezarec's corpse parts
and use it to wake Osiris up
ember storm
the gif is funnier
trim grotto
You know what else was sweet
Saint murdering Savathûn about a dozen times over and over again as soon as he got the chance
So cute
ember ginkgo
really had to do that to my wife, but i totally get it
iirc the number next to Exo names is an indication of how many times they reset their memories right?
trim grotto
Generally speaking, yes
ember ginkgo
jesus, Saint really did a factory reset 14 times
trim grotto
Well, yes, but not as a Lightbearer. When he was mortal. Or as mortal as Exo get.
ember ginkgo
holy cow, musta had it rough
trim grotto
Not as bad as some. Nkechi-32, for example.
ember ginkgo
i was so excited when i first saw Saint exit that Vex gate so long ago. His helmet was my favorite on my Titan in D1 and 2. good memories
GOD DAMN, 32 TIMES??
trim grotto
There's also... Echo.
ember ginkgo
Echo... what? 
trim grotto
...2625.
ember ginkgo
NO... NO WAY DUDE
trim grotto
He was quite insane.
ember ginkgo
HOLY JESUS, yea im guessing this dude was a lobotomite with that many
trim grotto
Not far off
ember ginkgo
wow so bad that he turned into a leaf blower according to Google
trim grotto
Legacy Part 1 and 2 are what you'd want for read for that
Via the Ishtar Collective
ember ginkgo
yea i remember that DLC being very juicy for my interest in Exo's
ember ginkgo
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/
thank u!
dim minnow
yea i remember that DLC being very juicy for my interest in Exo's
yeah yeah, we all stared at the dead exos
ember ginkgo
Horses in the pyramids...
smoky rose
Many butted horses in fact
ember ginkgo
they are maximizing horsepower
trim grotto
Ah yes, the Horsorsorsorsorsorsorse
blazing wasp
Horsemaxxing
knotty fossil
Many butted horses in fact
the more the better
knotty fossil
i was so excited when i first saw Saint exit that Vex gate so long ago. His helm...
let's not forget banshee
next bobcat
How did Cayde eat spicy ramen
Do Exos just have a thing in their mouth that transforms food into pure energy
And programmed taste?
heady monolith
exos can actually eat
blazing wasp
It's to prevent DER
heady monolith
iirc exos do have some amount of internal organs
heady monolith
they dont need to eat as they dont feel hunger, but they can eat
blazing wasp
Exo guardians do it for fun, they have no need to eat
blazing wasp
they dont need to eat as they dont feel hunger, but they can eat
They do get hungry
heady monolith
oh they do? i though exos couldnt feel hunger
velvet flax
https://youtu.be/AvXTZjPrs48?si=LeA45FT_n0g5gwWY
Fun fact, the music in this cutscene is what is playing in the Into the Light streams before it starts but pitched down
jagged badge
They do get hungry
Nope
Then the first one replied with this weird tone, "Hmm… so you would say… you're hungry for hunger?" Which made them laugh for a long time.```Damn guess I misremembered
Them not being hungry is a bit weird though.
chrome fog
what about the tv show where they put the H on their chests
Hero Factory
chrome fog
i was so excited when i first saw Saint exit that Vex gate so long ago. His helm...
Mmmm Clovis resetting 43 times and then deciding to rest one last time so he could start anew as Banshee-44
warm gazelle
wonder why he kept going numerically
if i was starting anew I'd want to be Banshee-1 I think
ember storm
well an exo iteration 1 with memory problems is a hard sell
part of the point is banshee gave himself memory problems, not just a wipe
trim grotto
Yes. It would raise more questions than anything else. But a many-wiped Exo with memory issues seems perfectly normal.
nimble hinge
can anyone point me to seasonal lore recaps/summaries from the last year? i dont care if its a 3h video or 40 page writeup, i just want somewhere to get a good notion
blazing wasp
can anyone point me to seasonal lore recaps/summaries from the last year? i dont...
Like, lightfall seasons, or wq seasons
nimble hinge
lightfall seasons yeah
blazing wasp
lightfall seasons yeah
Well, witness obtains a connection via the veil in the dlc campaign and gets inside traveler yea
Defiance is their troops distracting us using captures civilians to keep us occupied
Amanda dies in a boobytrapped prison thing that explodes
Eramis fucks off searching for her lover
blazing wasp
Season of deep comes next
blazing wasp
Titan comes back, commander sloane is alive, big fishy uses her to teach us lore shit and we figure out that to follow the witness we gotta bring back savathun
Season of witch
Eris becomes hive
We bring back savathun and evict xivu from her throne world like a landlord
Season of the wish, savathuns wish to riven gets completed, letting crow access the traveler
We also save some ahamkara eggs
nimble hinge
whats savathuns wish?
ember storm
a wish to follow the witness
nimble hinge
and why is crow the one accessing the traveler
ember storm
crow and Mara have a connection as siblings
he can pave the way and Mara can track him
ember storm
I mean I assume he’s going to be a character that speaks
bungie could do a funny and just have him dead offscreen but I don’t think they would
nimble hinge
lol
ember storm
there’s prime opportunity for Cayde interaction after all
nimble hinge
i just hope he isnt the Nimbus of the new expansion
jagged badge
there’s prime opportunity for Cayde interaction after all
I believe his VA confirmed/teased this
shadow crypt
How would Cayde even come back?
I don’t understand
The Traveler have anything to with it?
chrome fog
Memory like cleansed Nightmare from Haunted but was never Nightmare, in the Pale Heart
Which is supposedly Akashic Record-like according to ship from Deep vendor rewards, so him being a Memory with a physical form is more likely
Also his mouth lights in the Final Shape teaser are Blue instead of Yellow, which gives further credence to this theory
ember storm
He eat some dry ice before filming
chrome fog
i mean like a little less summarised lol
I'd recommend the Destiny Lore Vault channel, find their full seasonal story playlists for everything that happens in the seasonal stories
rich veldt
bungie could do a funny and just have him dead offscreen but I don’t think they ...
we enter the portal in a cool hero™️ moment and he just gets killed infront of us 
chrome fog
Don't remember if Byf does season summaries even, if I remember last I actually watched him he just does videos through out the season on what he thinks is going on + what he predicts will happen in the future
ember storm
we enter the portal in a cool hero™️ moment and he just gets killed infront of u...
I’m more imagining a Lakshmi moment where we just transmat on his corpse and it’s never directly referenced
rich veldt
I’m more imagining a Lakshmi moment where we just transmat on his corpse and it’...
maybe
nimble hinge
I'd recommend the Destiny Lore Vault channel, find their full seasonal story pla...
thanks, I will check it out
exotic cloak
Considering how powerful is Ikora
velvet hawk
Only Just clocked to me that Savathuns Song, the massive sheirker on titan we destroyed during the red war, it was observing the planet to find oryx's body, which it found, which savathun then sent a ghost and witch to go revive during season of the deep
mad foreshadowing
chrome fog
Also Ahsa, who is a "Worm" before the Worm Gods allowed themselves to be corrupted into the forms they possess, belonging to that same species
velvet hawk
Also Ahsa, who is a "Worm" before the Worm Gods allowed themselves to be corrupt...
oh yea at the end of that one strike with the witch
did we ever kill that thing ?
chrome fog
...No, because Ahsa's our ally
She's the big thing that helped Sloane survive Titan being Taken
velvet hawk
She's the big thing that helped Sloane survive Titan being Taken
oh yea i just called her the worm
chrome fog
oh yea at the end of that one strike with the witch
Curious what strike you’re referring to here though, can’t remember what strike this is
spiral crane
What is the lore behind void
It sounds like a darkness thing
But it’s not apparently
exotic cloak
blazing wasp
It sounds like a darkness thing
Light is for like, "physical" stuff for a lack of a better wors
Word
Nuclear fusion, atom bindings, quantum space, that shit
Darkness is more emotion and stuff, like willpower
spiral crane
Darkness is more emotion and stuff, like willpower
So like physical shit bs abstract concepts
exotic cloak
Go with the flow
spiral crane
Vs*
blazing wasp
So like physical shit bs abstract concepts
Not exactly
spiral crane
So what makes the void different than other light
blazing wasp
Same thing that makes a tree different from a rock, it's just
Yknow
Clearly different
Void is also really weird
It's several things at once
exotic cloak
Paracasual energy wielded in different ways
That's the thing, different aspects of the universe
blazing wasp
It's on one hand, gravity, on the other hand the closest thing we have to "nothing"
exotic cloak
Void is like the force
blazing wasp
It's also some... weird realm thing we tap into
exotic cloak
Anyway I think the video with Osiris can explain it better for you
And every subclass has a small story that is something between lore and an explanation
blazing wasp
It's also the rawest form of energy
Imagine you have a bottle with a cork, inside this bottle is a complete vacuum
Now open the cork
The air rushing in to the bottle, that effect is void
The light elements are all just "spicier simple stuff", solar ain't fire It's nuclear fucking fusion
Void is spicy kinetic energy, and also spicy nothing
You can probably get kinetic force from Void, like you can make fire from the fucking sun
And arc is frequently used to power stuff so ig it works like electricity too.
That's a lot of words
chrome fog
The light elements are all just "spicier simple stuff", solar ain't fire It's *n...
Well. Combustion is a chemical reaction causing fission and fusion to happen simultaneously to produce carbon dioxide and water, with the amount of energy released and how rapidly it releases being dependent on the atomic bonds of the burning material
So yes, you do get fire from the Sun, it’s just a smaller sun
crystal zinc
are ghosts living organisms or are they robots
blazing wasp
So yes, you do get fire from the Sun, it’s just a smaller sun
I'm talking about the fact the sun outputs a lot of heat
chrome fog
are ghosts living organisms or are they robots
Sentient frequencies of Light housed in their shells
chrome fog
Heat is atomic kinetic energy within a molecule, which fire is an extreme example of
blazing wasp
It's probably less steps to make fire with void
With the right perspective void is more fire than solar is
That's bullshit but it's just funny to think about
chrome fog
So still, you’re getting the breaking and rearranging of atomic bonds between molecules with combustion, thus fire being moments of fission and fusion at a lower kinetic energy level
blazing wasp
It's too late for me to be understanding how atoms tango
chrome fog
Kek, Sun is literally a ball of fire
blazing wasp
Physics is stupid
chrome fog
Void is spicy kinetic energy, and also spicy nothing
I mean potential energy is named such because pockets of it are what causes vacuums like you demonstrated and gravitational wells, so this is correct somewhat
blazing wasp
That's mostly what I ment yes
Just with less words
I'm very early into my studies for physics, I know a decent bit of it but I don't understand definitions
It's why I almost failed language classes and not science
I prefer stasis because at least that's simple
Through sheer fucking will I play red light green light with spacetime within a ceirtan area
chrome fog
Well technically it touched upon Absolute Zero, a theoretical condition in which atoms hold absolutely zero kinetic energy
blazing wasp
And despite that it's technically not cold
If it just outright made stuff cold it would be a lot more powerful
Considering people not only survive being frozen, but immediately regain the heat they were previously in
That change of temperature, if it actually changed it, would just make them explode wouldn't it?
chrome fog
Which would technically be a vacuum full of atomic potential energy, but the reason that’s a scientific impossibility is because if you had a singular atom at Absolute Zero, all the heat of the surrounding environment would flood into that atom, and everything around it would instantaneously freeze; Stasis achieves a psuedo-similar state through complete rearrangement of molecules to be compacted into crystalline shape and paracausal bullshit
So instead of actually causing a heat vacuum, you just arrange molecules into a literal crystal shape
blazing wasp
Which would technically be a vacuum full of atomic potential energy, but the rea...
Or, in simpler terms, red light green light
chrome fog
More like I built the Lego set into a singular wall instead of the full set with play features, which in this allegory would be representative of kinetic energy in this case
If you actually red light green light, that crystal would crash through the planetoid and the universe in general because everything is in motion
But relative to a position it has absolutely zero kinetic energy
blazing wasp
But you do also stop spacetime or some shit, there was a lore book about that somewhere
But it's not like
You don't remove the energy
chrome fog
Iiii don’t remember, though I do recall that the crystalline shape resembles patterns found in radiolaria or something like that
blazing wasp
Maybe a pattern formed as a result of the "freezing"?
The shape is like
How to put it
It has order to it, yknow
Which is what stasis is all about
chrome fog
Or molecular manipulation into crystals which resemble the object frozen
blazing wasp
You're basically telling the thing you're "freezing" to stop moving
Like temporarily stopping kinetic energy without removing any kinetic energy
Which makes absolutely no sense
And is most definitely not possible right
However
Paracausality
chrome fog
It’s so sad VintageNuke got himself banned, he would’ve enjoyed explaining his analysis
blazing wasp
Lot of lore lads here got themselves banned
Think they formed their own discord a while back
Which I did join
chrome fog
Not the Cryptarchy, right?
blazing wasp
No
chrome fog
Mmm I’m interested in joining maybe
hardy anvil
so if I'm not wrong, The Witness first appeared in Shadowkeep, right?
But not in his form we commonly associate him with
blazing wasp
It ended up primarily being a place to witch hunt and mock people you didn't like in private
Even if it was really minor and petty shit
chrome fog
Like temporarily stopping kinetic energy without removing any kinetic energy
Stopping kinetic energy within a set “system” a la the target of Stasis thrown and ignores outside that system (aka the rest of the universe) then rearranging all the molecules to follow the same crystalline structure
chrome fog
It ended up primarily being a place to witch hunt and mock people you didn't lik...
Oof yikes
blazing wasp
You missed out, and that's a really good thing
I've completely cut contact with most of them, save for like the actually chill folks
chrome fog
so if I'm not wrong, The Witness first appeared in Shadowkeep, right?
But not in...
Somewhat yes; it was present in the universe for a long time, but our first encounter is in the Black Garden, where it presents itself as “Our Salvation” whilst mimicking the Guardian
hardy anvil
Yeah I meant the guardians first direct interaction with him
chrome fog
Or did we speak with them on the seasons?
Arrivals, and then when we got Stasis (kinda), then I don’t remember
chrome fog
I return from the stratosphere
How was your flight
ember storm
bad
six hour from London to Boston, two hour layover, then three to Minneapolis
I want a shower
exotic cloak
Arrivals, and then when we got Stasis (kinda), then I don’t remember
I mean he talks through our ghost but it was not face to face I guess
velvet hawk
Curious what strike you’re referring to here though, can’t remember what strike ...
sorry was thinking about nokris and the worm was xol
next bobcat
Strike inside a pyramid whennnnn
shadow crypt
more strikes in general lol
exotic cloak
Now that you mention it
What is birthplace of the vile exactly
Cause everything is pyramid technology but at the time is it no the pyramid I guess
exotic cloak
what is the control clovis bray had over exos?
Like, he could do an order 66 if he wanted?
keen palm
would it be possible to have a dog guardian 🤔
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what is the control clovis bray had over exos?
He doesn’t
If he could control Exos that way, he wouldn’t have had to blow Elsie up
dim minnow
What is birthplace of the vile exactly
it's a city made of Pyramid architecture
chrome fog
Strike inside a pyramid whennnnn
Wdym, during Defiance
next bobcat
?
chrome fog
We were in the pyramids rescuing people
next bobcat
But that was not a strike that was battlegrounds
I want like a vanguard playlist strike in a pyramid
chrome fog
Potato-potato, one of those is in the Vanguard playlist I’m pretty sure
dim minnow
We were in the pyramids rescuing people
the battlegrounds were technically not inside Pyramids too
dim minnow
they were inside Prisons made from Pyramid tech and atchitecture
exotic cloak
Anyway I don't think there would a reason for vanguard to do an op on pyramids
Those are big and mysterious places and even if the reason if something like what happened in WQ is dangerous to send a regular fireteam just to explore them
chrome fog
There’s also that fun insight that they might be sentient
exotic cloak
Well in that WQ missions the Pyramid was "asking for help"
And in Shadowkeep the pyramid let us enter
dim minnow
There’s also that fun insight that they might be sentient
given the Witness' relationship with the Pyramids, I'm not so certain
dim minnow
And in Shadowkeep the pyramid let us enter
that was the Witness given that it spoke through our Ghost
exotic cloak
True
dim minnow
Well in that WQ missions the Pyramid was "asking for help"
Could have also been the Witness since it probably knew we were trying to get Deepsight
and the Witness would have good reason to help us with that since it would allow us to defeat Savathun
exotic cloak
Yeah
dim minnow
hmmm I wonder
chrome fog
And in Shadowkeep the pyramid let us enter
And in Lightfall the Imperitor guided us through its interiors to vital objectives we needed to strike, though that could have been leading us towards the Radiant Mast or whatever that thing was with the annoying arena, which would’ve eventually lead to us being next to the Veil
dim minnow
did Savathun know how powerful the Witness really was?
exotic cloak
I'm curious how would that develop
chrome fog
We can’t tell if the Pyramids’ actions were their own or the Witness’ long term machinations to give us a little bit to chase and lead us to where it wanted us to go
exotic cloak
Like, without traveler we lost our light but we still got stasis
And if witness came
dim minnow
And in Lightfall the Imperitor guided us through its interiors to vital objectiv...
I don't think the Imperator was guiding us, we were just finding our way through
exotic cloak
And Traveler was on Savathuns world what would have happened?
Like he could just enter and take the traveler?
shadow crypt
has savathun and the witness met face to face?
dim minnow
has savathun and the witness met face to face?
I believe so
exotic cloak
I don't think the Imperator was guiding us, we were just finding our way through
I agree on that
At the end if that was true I find strange the imperator sending us to that place where the cabal artillery was
dim minnow
And Traveler was on Savathuns world what would have happened?
Savathun was going to close off her Throne World
chrome fog
I don't think the Imperator was guiding us, we were just finding our way through
Still there was that commentary on how it seemed to be guiding us where to go
dim minnow
wether or not that would have worked though
exotic cloak
I guess we would never know but considering our situation at the moment
How catastrophic could really be losing the traveler at the moment
Like guardians with stasis major threats defeated
We were allies of house of light and caitl at that point right?
dim minnow
even with all of that, we still heavily relied on the Light
sure our Ghosts can still heal us without needing a connection to the Light, but they can't rez us without it
exotic cloak
Oh
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Like guardians with stasis major threats defeated
Most Guardians probably don’t know Stasis or Strand
Hell, most Guardians are still learning one Light subclass still
Guardians en masse losing their Light would absolutely be catastrophic even if some still have access to Darkness
exotic cloak
Oh yeah I forgot about that
trim grotto
I don't know about you but I'd be a bit concerned about the impending death we could never return from
dim minnow
I don't know about you but I'd be a bit concerned about the impending death we c...
Mael's here again
ember storm
I feel like nowadays stasis is used as much as any other
exotic cloak
I don't know about you but I'd be a bit concerned about the impending death we c...
"So this is mortality?"
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https://tenor.com/view/pop-popteamepic-epic-angry-team-gif-23055216
You have your own theme and you get mad
ember storm
you know it’s funny
dim minnow
You have your own theme and you get mad
it's because it's the track Byf uses for his intros
and Mael sounds a lot like him
that's the joke
exotic cloak
I feel like nowadays stasis is used as much as any other
I guess but we have any status on that?
Also
exotic cloak
Vanguard official position about stasis was they were against of using it, at what point that changed?
ember storm
the official vanguard stance was they don’t condone it
note the specific warning
and two seasons later Ikora directly mentions they’re fine with it
the only reason Zavala got angry during the events of WQ was Ikora apparently not reporting literally anything to him, so he had no idea deepsight was in play or us seeking out the Europa pyramid to enhance it
exotic cloak
the official vanguard stance was they don’t condone it
Zavala pretty much said Guardians must not use the darkness
uneven canyon
This has probably been discussed already but what's with the Subjugators? Clearly they’re Lubraean, but they were wiped out.
exotic cloak
and two seasons later Ikora directly mentions they’re fine with it
Oh
ember storm
Zavala pretty much said Guardians must not use the darkness
the brunt of BL was shoddy in a meta sense and in-universe
things were rushed all around
Zavala had a semi-baked “fight fire with fire but don’t get burned” arc
dim minnow
This has probably been discussed already but what's with the Subjugators? Clearl...
maybe the Subjugators are to Rhulk what Tormentors are to Nezarec
exotic cloak
I mean
ember storm
maybe the Subjugators are to Rhulk what Tormentors are to Nezarec
pretty sure the hands and feet line up
trim grotto
it's because it's the track Byf uses for his intros
and Mael sounds a lot like h...
Yeah I had this discussion with Spider last night while teaching him Athrys's angles haha
ember storm
I looked at them when it was revealed
trim grotto
"Wow you sound like Byf"
uneven canyon
Remind me whats the deal with tormentors
uneven canyon
Nezarec is the original and all I think but I forgot
dim minnow
Remind me whats the deal with tormentors
nothing concrete, but it is possible the Witness used some cloning stuff to create Tormentors from Nezarec
uneven canyon
The subjugators got their hands on Lubraean weaponry too
Makes me think we’ll get stasis and strand glaives
ember storm
I mean if we’re going with the same line of logic
uneven canyon
I pray
ember storm
they’re born and immediately sent to war
not exactly anything of their own volition
it’s the classic leviathan ceremonial bather treatment
exotic cloak
What's the current situation with Clovis Bray?
dim minnow
What's the current situation with Clovis Bray?
Clovis AI or Banshee?
exotic cloak
Both
ember storm
Banshee has no development
last I checked it’s “implied” Ana talked to him about Warmind stuff in seraph
but it wasn’t directly confirmed if it was him, I think
so
dim minnow
well she did actively seek out his help at the start of Seraph
exotic cloak
I'm still waiting for them to tell us Clovis took control of Banshee after BL but at this point
I don't really know what they would do with that
Ah yeah he's been Clovis all this time and he's been spying because...
dim minnow
I don't even think he could do that
Banshee hasn't even set foot on Europa
at least I don't think he did
exotic cloak
I mean at the end of Lament mission he told us he would when Banshee arrives
That's the thing
We don't even know If Banshee arrived
chrome fog
Banshee is just eternally chilling
ember storm
We don't even know If Banshee arrived
Unironically probably just forgot
exotic cloak
At this point he sure forgot
But dunno I find interesting that idea even it has
0 use
ember storm
anything Clovis is probably just going to be post FS though
unless he’s involved with echoes, assuming that’s about Ishtar stuffs
trim grotto
so is clovis bashee? and why was banshee reset a lot
Do you own Beyond Light?
willow flax
yea its been a WHILE since i did campaign and post campaign stuff
wasnt really paying attention either mb
trim grotto
Your quest to earn the Lament explained it, but...
The story can be found here
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-legacys-lament
willow flax
ty bro
trim grotto
Detailing the Vex/Exo War, and the whole Banshee/Clovis thing, plus the resets
timid stirrup
What are those floating bodies in the air when I go into a lost sector?
dim minnow
What are those floating bodies in the air when I go into a lost sector?
Nightmares
manifestations of trauma
they originated from the Lunar Pyramid which belonged to Nezarec
and while it isn't officially stated, I consider them a form of deepsight
trim grotto
There's definitely parallels there at the very least
smoky rose
Now the reason there's so many guardian nightmares on the moon is the battle of mare imbrium or the great disaster
Few thousand Guardians went up to retake the moon from the hive, didn't understand how throne worlds worked, Crota literally just walked around bitchslapping them with his sword
Several thousand dead guardians later
Then the First Fireteam went into the hellmouth and got:
- killed by knights and thrall
- turned into white ball
- turned into bug
- deathsonged
- omnigul'd
- delighted and hiveified (Eris Morn)
Fast forward ~100 years iirc, then Eris pops back up and we go in and kill Crota
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I don’t think delighted is how I’d describe Eris in the Hellmouth
I don’t think she’d be very delighted at the deaths of her friends
trim grotto
except maybe Toland
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I mean, she does appear to have complicated feelings around Toland
She still grieved him in a way, and his Nightmare tormented her the same as the rest of her actual friends
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White ball?
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next bobcat
Get it right bro
torpid flint
annoying exposition asshole bulb
chrome fog
Used to be a major manipulative jerk until he witnessed us take down Oryx’s whole pyramid of tithe and then Oryx himself. Is so in awe he’s mostly been relegated to occasional insights and floating around
exotic cloak
I really appreciate his presence in Shadowkeep tbh
Those random facts at patrols are so cool
drifting garnet
i think the witness bad, maybe
exotic cloak
Destroy the entire universe just to rebuilt itself to its own vision of "perfect"?
Nah
He is actually doing us a favor
past granite
Destroy the entire universe just to rebuilt itself to its own vision of "perfect...
Why does this sound like a James Bond plot
Wait-- Wasn't that LITERALLY the plot of the Austin Powers movie with Sam Jackson?
exotic cloak
No idea what's the position of James Bond in this canon but yeah I guess
past granite
I like to thing he's a Gunslinger Hunter just kinda out there doing his own thing :)
exotic cloak
There are like 6 of them so maybe they did their own version of the ridiculous six
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exotic cloak
Soon I will Bionicle post in this channel
Okey but you have to relate it to destiny
empty fern
It’ll be Monday
empty fern
April 2nd
simple depot
Anyone have a 'canon' story of their own guardians?
chrome fog
That would be closer to #✨destiny-discussion and #🏆destiny-media , but I have a simple background for all three
All three are Exos, the warlock was really into researching Void but got fed up not getting any breakthroughs and so is hanging out with the Cabal; Hunter is a nerd and loves doing observations and shit; Titan is a big teddy bear but also depressed
spiral crane
Were we more technologically advanced during the golden age?
trim grotto
Were we more technologically advanced during the golden age?
Compared to? Yes either way, but still.
trim grotto
Were we more technologically advanced during the golden age?
The Golden Age was significantly more technologically advanced than real life modern day, and certainly moreso than the current day in universe, the Last City. Neomuna has had some advancement, but the rest of humanity were thrust into the Dark Ages after the Collapse, living in villages and starving to death.
The Golden Age was a time of interplanetary colonisation, scientific advancement, and wonder.
spiral crane
The Golden Age was significantly more technologically advanced than real life mo...
So why can modern day human society fend against the darkness and the alien forces
But not teh golden age
trim grotto
Because we have Guardians. Ghosts did not exist until the climax of the Collapse, when the Traveler pushed back the Black Fleet and fell comatose.
Paracausal, very very often, trumps causal.
spiral crane
Because we have Guardians. Ghosts did not exist until the climax of the Collapse...
So militarily we’re superior
But everything else
We’re far behind
trim grotto
So militarily we’re superior
Well, in some ways. Golden Age Humanity has Rasputin the Warmind at the helm, controlling every weapon that the solar system had. In a causal, system wide war, they'd have been superior.
We largely use small scale strike forces of paracausal soldiers, piercing through defences.
As for being behind, the Last City has had its own advancements. While much Tech was lost, we've recovered much as well, and made some of our own - Omolon, for example, are dedicated to their own advancements.
We once again build our own ships, fusion weaponry, our City trades and manipulates Glimmer
Probability engines, paracausal pipelines, so on so forth
spiral crane
What’s the difference between paracausal and casual
chrome fog
Casual is normal physics
Paracausal allows for a great variety of things to occur outside of the natural circumstances they would occur in, a la fire appearing from thin air despite no fuel source or initial ignition
trim grotto
What’s the difference between paracausal and casual
Causality is essentially physics. The laws of reality and nature as we understand them.
Cause, hence the name, to effect, under a logical system of A, process, B.
Paracausality is literally, parallel causality. A process of A to B but the middle ground is operating on a totally different set of laws. Illogical, if you go by physics.
Cause, wild strange process, effect.
spiral crane
Ok
trim grotto
It's the reason why we can summon singularities in our hands. There is a cause, there is a reason, there is an effect, but it sure ain't physics.
spiral crane
And is oaracausality tied to teh traveler
chrome fog
Causal: 1 > 2 > 3
Paracausal: 1 > 2a > 3
chrome fog
And is oaracausality tied to teh traveler
For the Light, yes; Darkness is much more widespread and easier to access seemingly
trim grotto
And is oaracausality tied to teh traveler
Yes. Our Light is granted by Ghosts which is in turn granted by the Traveler. It, and Light itself, is paracausal
spiral crane
For the Light, yes; Darkness is much more widespread and easier to access seemin...
So darkness isn’t paracausal?
spiral crane
Yes. Our Light is granted by Ghosts which is in turn granted by the Traveler. It...
Got it
trim grotto
For the Light, yes; Darkness is much more widespread and easier to access seemin...
The Speaker wasn't lying when he said Light was everywhere, in all things. It's just as widespread, just not accessible.
chrome fog
But the Traveler is the only real source of paracausal Light; however we have found ways to produce Light through other means (turning Solar energy into Solar Light during the Golden Age I believe? I could also be misinterpreting that entry and it’s been a while since I read it)
trim grotto
So darkness isn’t paracausal?
It is.
chrome fog
Ditto what Mael said
trim grotto
But the Traveler is the only real source of paracausal Light; however we have fo...
Via Icarus, yes.
chrome fog
It’s another side to Paracausality; supposedly Light pertains more to the Physical aspects of reality, and Darkness pertains more to the conscious, the mental aspects of reality
spiral crane
Got it
And it’s due to this oaracausal stuff that we are able to survive when we weren’t able to in the golden age
chrome fog
It’s another side to Paracausality; supposedly Light pertains more to the Physic...
They do influence both to an extent (otherwise why have certain personalities drawn towards certain Light elements or the Darkness subclasses at all)
trim grotto
And it’s due to this oaracausal stuff that we are able to survive when we weren’...
Pretty much. Plus our new alliances with the Cabal Ascendancy, Eliksni of House Light, and Awoken.
spiral crane
Pretty much. Plus our new alliances with the Cabal Ascendancy, Eliksni of House ...
Why didn’t the traveler give us this stuff before
We would’ve never collapsed
trim grotto
Why didn’t the traveler give us this stuff before
Ghosts have never existed before. Ever, in all of time.
This was its final stand against the Darkness - but even now, we don't truly know what happened in the Collapse.
We know some vague overviews, but we don't know the exact processes that lead to the creation of the Ghosts. Just that they were created, and began to revive people after the Collapse.
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Having Guardians wouldn’t have really helped in the Collapse anyway though tbf
Not much they can do against natural disasters and plagues and mists that strip you to dust in a blink
trim grotto
Also, the Traveler isn't a fighter.
chrome fog
The Traveler has provided blessings to previous civilizations it has visited before, generally in the form of allowing the civilization to advance technologically, sometimes with tools of paracausal power
Which I think there’s only two of the latter example that we know of, the Gift Mast and that one species that got paracausal weapons and were barely mentioned (correct me if wrong please)
Ghosts and their Lightbearers is the most that she has done in all honesty
Which is itself out of faith that those she blesses will come through in the end
She’s hopeful to a fault, which is partially the point as much as people criticize the Traveler’s choices
spiral crane
She’s hopeful to a fault, which is partially the point as much as people critici...
She?
Wouldn’t it be an it?
spiral crane
Not much they can do against natural disasters and plagues and mists that strip ...
That happened?
What exactly was the collapse?
rich veldt
What exactly was the collapse?
the very much tldr is pyramids came and created lots of natural disasters before getting pushed back by the traveller who then made ghosts and went dormant
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Well
It’s an it and a she. Presents feminine occasionally but it still generally an unknowable entity
trim grotto
She?
The Traveler is often referred to or presented as female. It isn't strictly male or female or any gender, but it's a commonly used way to refer to her.
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Both it and she work
empty fern
Like a boat
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And I think they is used in Unveiling?
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It’s a sentient entity
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What exactly was the collapse?
The fall isn't quick. It happens over weeks and months: cataclysmic disasters, natural and unnatural, flattening human settlements on every planet || that I have made, I have shaped, my work, laid flat ||. Earthquakes. Tidal waves. Solar flares. Cyclones, sinkholes, exploding lakes, wildfires. Unknown, untreatable plagues raze populations in hours. Water goes black with unknown poisons || forced down my throat ||. The ground opens up and swallows entire cities || and I am sick sick sick ||.
trim grotto
Isn’t it a ball
It's a being.
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And has presented itself in a feminine form and has been referred to by feminine pronouns
spiral crane
It's a being.
Im just curious what would lead to it being assigned a gender
spiral crane
And has presented itself in a feminine form and has been referred to by feminine...
I see
trim grotto
Im just curious what would lead to it being assigned a gender
One of the primary recent examples was presenting itself as a female wolf in a dream to Clovis Bray, trying to ward him off the path he was taking.
This did not work, of course. Clovis is too pigheaded.
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And pigorganed
spiral crane
One of the primary recent examples was presenting itself as a female wolf in a d...
Who is Clovis bray
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Who is Clovis bray
Well that's a whole kettle of fish
Have you played Beyond Light
trim grotto
You will find out in the post-campaign. The short answer is that he built the Europan facilties.
And the Deep Stone Crypt, and Exo
He's an infamous Golden Age scientist
spiral crane
And the Deep Stone Crypt, and Exo
Oh so that’s why the ghost guy mentioned him
He built me
Technically
That’s cool that they customized the dialogue depending on the race
spiral crane
He's an infamous Golden Age scientist
Did he do a lot of bad experiments or something
rich veldt
Who is Clovis bray
Clovis Bray, father of Clovis Bray II, grandfather of Willa Bray, Alton Bray, Elsie Bray and (illegitimate) Ana Bray, founder of Clovis Bray, along with its subsidiaries, Braytech, Bray Exoscience, and Bray Futurescape.
(yes i still had this in my clipboard its old)
trim grotto
Did he do a lot of bad experiments or something
Yes. Yes, he did. Live human subjects... total amorality. He had much blood on his hands.
Shoo
Begone
spiral crane
Yes. Yes, he did. Live human subjects... total amorality. He had much blood on h...
Oh
So he’s really bad
rich veldt
begone might be a bot
trim grotto
So he’s really bad
He significantly advanced the technological levels of humanity in the Golden Age, but... yes.
trim grotto
Oh indeed he did
trim grotto
Whatever exos are
Human mindscans uploaded to a mechanical body. Deep radiation scans penetrate the brain, killing the person. That mindscan is copied into an Exobody.
chrome fog
Im just curious what would lead to it being assigned a gender
Most probable, she wants to be connected to those she protects, the mortal “children” of the universe and presents herself with individual pronouns to strengthen that association both for her and our benefit
rich veldt
bads a word you could use, theres better options tho such as inhumaine unethical ect
spiral crane
Human mindscans uploaded to a mechanical body. Deep radiation scans penetrate th...
Wait so I’m a copy of a person?
I’m not just a robot?
trim grotto
Correct
spiral crane
Didn’t realize the exo backstory went so deep
What happened to Clovis?
Did he die in the collapse
eager trout
It's complicated
jagged badge
Did he die in the collapse
Nah he’s still alive today. In the Tower in fact
trim grotto
What happened to Clovis?
You'll find out in the post campaign of Beyond Light
rich veldt
you visit clovis head during bl right?
trim grotto
Keep playing
trim grotto
you visit clovis head during bl right?
Ssh
jagged badge
you visit clovis head during bl right?
Not during, but after
spiral crane
I swear if he ends up being that gunsmith dude that’ll be really funny
trim grotto
That would be funny
chrome fog
Wait so I’m a copy of a person?
Mindscan of a person uploaded into a robotic body meant to replicate as many human sensations to satisfy your subconscious and prevent it from becoming so dysphoric that it causes you to undergo full psychosis and eventually die
shadow crypt
honestly fricking ridiculous if that happens
jagged badge
@reef salmon
trim grotto
@reef salmon
spiral crane
Stfu
spiral crane
Mindscan of a person uploaded into a robotic body meant to replicate as many hum...
So exos can feel
Like humans,
Like I mean physically
trim grotto
Not quite like humans but yes
chrome fog
As close to humans can as possible
spiral crane
Not quite like humans but yes
So it’s essentially like a rebirth
trim grotto
Enough to trick the subconscious mind into not killing itself
chrome fog
Do they remember
It’s your entire consciousness, so yes in any case
trim grotto
Do they remember
No, retrograde amnesia was implemented to help the mindscans settle into their new bodies
They know their names and have flashes and ghostly images of memories and that's about it.
spiral crane
What’s the point of turning into an exo
jagged badge
Their old life
Not specifically. However one Exo notes that he has an intense craving for his grandma’s recipe of something, yet he can’t remember his grandma at all
trim grotto
Is it for the terminally ill
It can be, sure. But the point was immotality.
jagged badge
Not specifically. However one Exo notes that he has an intense craving for his g...
Or something to this effect
spiral crane
It can be, sure. But the point was immotality.
But isn’t it technically killing u
jagged badge
Lemme see if I can yoink that dialogue from the DLV
trim grotto
And making a copy
Yes and yes.
rich veldt
It can be, sure. But the point was immotality.
wasnt there also something bout clovis wanting control over the masses
trim grotto
Wouldn’t the ghosts be better immortality
Those didn't exist. And the process is the same - you still die, and still have no memories.
spiral crane
So is every exo someone who wanted to live forever?
blazing wasp
not necessarily
trim grotto
Exo are not being created today. Not since the Vex-Exo War in the Golden Age.
blazing wasp
some probably were.
trim grotto
So is every exo someone who wanted to live forever?
Mostly.
spiral crane
Those didn't exist. And the process is the same - you still die, and still have ...
So every time ur ghost revives you it’s a Copy?
trim grotto
So every time ur ghost revives you it’s a Copy?
My point is that a freshly Risen Guardian also has no memories.
spiral crane
My point is that a freshly Risen Guardian also has no memories.
Oh ok
errant olive
wasnt there also something bout clovis wanting control over the masses
he wanted to be a saviour to humanity by being a LUCA (last universal common ancestor) by creating the Exos which he hoped would outlast normal humans
spiral crane
Can u make an exo of an exo
jagged badge
rich veldt
he wanted to be a saviour to humanity by being a LUCA (last universal common anc...
close enough
spiral crane
Well I wasn’t planning on doing the post campaign before but now I want to
It seems cool
trim grotto
Can u make an exo of an exo
...you could reupload the mindscan.
spiral crane
And relevant to my character
spiral crane
...you could reupload the mindscan.
Can u make a new mind scan of the exo though
trim grotto
Can u make a new mind scan of the exo though
They would functionally be the same thing, given the retrograde amnesia.
errant olive
Well I wasn’t planning on doing the post campaign before but now I want to
in any case lament is a very useful sword to have
I still can't use it though
rich veldt
So every time ur ghost revives you it’s a Copy?
exo guardians are just like a normal human/awoken guardian, the guardian is first risen from the last reset of the exo and then they just get rezzed like anyone else for deaths after that (atleast to my knowledge)
spiral crane
Well why didn’t they just bring cayde back then
Just boot him up in a new body
Or do they not have his mindscan
spiral crane
Fair
trim grotto
Well why didn’t they just bring cayde back then
Because it would be a functionally different person. A mortal Exo with no memories.
Not to mention that the DSC isn't functional.
spiral crane
So no new exos can be made
trim grotto
No Light, either.
trim grotto
So no new exos can be made
Not currently. Not since the Golden Age, bar one exception of a prototype for Rasputin.
rich veldt
wasnt pre guardian exo cayde still a bit of a douche bag?
trim grotto
Sometimes.
jagged badge
Well he tried to shoot a kid so
jagged badge
I don’t know much about him but that doesn’t sound like him
He was working security at Bray Exoscience/Eventide and shot at Micah when she was sneaking around or something
trim grotto
I don’t know much about him but that doesn’t sound like him
Cayde has had many lives. He wasn't always the same person.
spiral crane
like i said completely different to guardian cayde
So cayde as human is a separate being than exo cayde
And he’s different
errant olive
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-the-man-they-call-cayde
this lore book also is a good representation of retrograde amnesia's effect on Cayde
spiral crane
Than guardian cayde
trim grotto
And he’s different
Nature vs Nurture. Cayde was similar at his core, but his experiences shaped each reset. He wasn't the same person reset to reset.
Just like any other Exo.
spiral crane
Got it
trim grotto
Cayde's journal was what helped define him as who we knew.
Anywho I've got to work
Have fun
chrome fog
It can be, sure. But the point was immotality.
Im 
tality
hardy anvil
who is Huginn and Muninn
Finally mustered up the cares to do my seasonal stuff and came across two ahamkara (?) bones
errant olive
apparently they were a pair of ahamkara that were close to Sjur Eido but were killed by her during the Great Hunt
vital lodge
what did Saint do to become a legend
dim minnow
what did Saint do to become a legend
vital lodge
and what about Osiris
dim minnow
there's a reason why there has never been a Titan more beloved by the people than him
vital lodge
and is there a legendary Hunter? or is it Cayde? nobody?
dim minnow
and what about Osiris
he was considerably powerful (like Saint)
vital lodge
until sagira died I assume
dim minnow
but he was more infamous than famous
people called him the "Mad Warlock" for a reason
dim minnow
his prophecies and his inability to handle the unrest they caused led to him being exiled
jagged badge
and is there a legendary Hunter? or is it Cayde? nobody?
Shin Malphur I suppose? Though not exactly in the same way as Saint and Osiris
vital lodge
his prophecies and his inability to handle the unrest they caused led to him bei...
we dont talk about Bruno?
dim minnow
Saint and Osiris were the first vanguards of their respective classes
Tallulah Fairwind was the first Hunter Vanguard, though we don't have a lot of info about her (especially because she's dead)
vital lodge
does drifter have a class
dim minnow
in fact, Osiris was the only original vanguard who was still alive until Dawn when we did some timeline-welding fuckery to bring Saint back
dim minnow
does drifter have a class
no
vital lodge
Eris?
dim minnow
"rogue" Lightbearer
vital lodge
ghost killed?
dim minnow
ghost killed?
yep
vital lodge
man we need to stop bringing ghosts into the open
chrome fog
and is there a legendary Hunter? or is it Cayde? nobody?
Many a Hunter has tried to make a name for themselves - apparently the subclass seems full of individuals who try for it - such as Marcus Ren, Cayde-6, Tallulah Fairwind, and others, usually in a horrible blaze of glory
vital lodge
Cayde didnt make a name?!?!
dim minnow
Cayde didnt make a name?!?!
well he was a Hunter Vanguard so he did make one
jagged badge
man we need to stop bringing ghosts into the open
Eris’ Ghost sacrificed herself as the Hive were tracking her Light in the Hellmouth iirc
chrome fog
Cayde didnt make a name?!?!
The Hunter Vanguard position? After getting revenge for his friend’s death by Taniks’ hands, which we had to then reavenge kind because Taniks didn’t die, and then again in Rise of Iron, then again in Beyond Light when he was again resurrected through technology albeit this time the Exo tech in the Deep Stone Crypt’s orbital facility
vital lodge
why can our guardian solo the universe yet so many other guardians cant handle Ads
chrome fog
Tommy and Ghost are another one
vital lodge
Cayde lost to Ads for christ sake
dim minnow
why can our guardian solo the universe yet so many other guardians cant handle A...
all Guardians have the same potential, but not all of them can reach it
chrome fog
why can our guardian solo the universe yet so many other guardians cant handle A...
We can’t! We go in raids with full teams and also strikes, and we don’t “solo” the gods we face, we generally cripple them via strategic weak points in the systems maintaining their power such as their tithe systems or other such things
dim minnow
Cayde lost to Ads for christ sake
looks more like he won to me
chrome fog
We’re just pretty handy and pretty lucky
dim minnow
it was the Barons who did him in
chrome fog
Cayde lost to Ads for christ sake
Don’t tell me you haven’t died to ads
vital lodge
Don’t tell me you haven’t died to ads
not in a common mission like Caydes
chrome fog
Suuuuure
vital lodge
bro used a golden gun on Ads
vital lodge
They definitely died to ads in a common mission
I think its almost impossible unless you stand still and do nothing
chrome fog
but that wasnt legend
But you don’t really care if you die and have to resurrect on a regular run, right? “It’s nothing, it’s probably fine”. That was the same thinking Cayde had gotten into when pulling Sundance out, and he’s been risen longer than us, held secrets in for a really long time and never felt okay sharing them until he literally died, to which he recorded multiple voice messages for whoever might’ve killed him even if he was close to them
Point is, Cayde made a name for himself even just taking on the Vanguard Dare and taking his position in the Vanguard’s leadership
vital lodge
wait, why have we never faced an enemy who can destroy our ghost
chrome fog
As well as his death inspiring The Guardian’s rampage across the Reef
hallow holly
I think its almost impossible unless you stand still and do nothing
Holy shit that brought me back to yestraday. I got a perk of something that said when your low health you cause electric shock to enemies and wanted to try it so I strod there for 10 minutes and then they got shocked
vital lodge
red war was the closest we got
chrome fog
wait, why have we never faced an enemy who can destroy our ghost
Because we’re very by the books as a baseline for The Guardian
It just doesn’t happen because The Guardian isn’t gonna risk it
vital lodge
havnt we killed the people who killed cayde
and if bullets of sorrow can kill ghost, why havnt any of the gods weve killed used them
dim minnow
wait, why have we never faced an enemy who can destroy our ghost
the durability of a ghost is affected by their connection to the Light
though normally, it takes overwhelming force or something paracausal to destroy one
chrome fog
havnt we killed the people who killed cayde
Even if you imagine your player Guardian to be dumb enough to pull their ghost out into physical space and get shot or destroyed, in-universe that just never happens regardless
vital lodge
yet cayde did it for some reason
wasnt even dead and he pulled out the ghost
smh shoulda waited for recov
dim minnow
it is possible for more conventional weapons to kill a ghost like a Fallen Shock blade
chrome fog
Because he was cocky, and maybe partially suicidal
chrome fog
smh shoulda waited for recov
He rode the ruins of the security center down to the bottom. He’s not gonna play it safe when he can take the risky and fun route
dim minnow
I'd say out of the modern Vanguard trio he was the youngest
we know Zavala was around since the Dark Age
I think Ikora was around as well
vital lodge
vanguards seem to have the ability to use any ability they want, yet cayde never even used a heal nade
Ikora specifically can apparently use 2 different element supers in a row
dim minnow
vanguards seem to have the ability to use any ability they want, yet cayde never...
healing grenades weren't a thing ingame until Season of the Haunted (years after Forsaken came out)
vital lodge
did cayde have an exotic armor
chrome fog
Lucky pants
vital lodge
I didnt see him hotswap once
vital lodge
also his aim must suck
chrome fog
Man
vital lodge
not a single time did he cause an explosion with Ace
vital lodge
B]
trim grotto
couple hundred?
Something like that.
vital lodge
Something like that.
did you see the comment I made a while back about ur beast tamer build?
trim grotto
Uh maybe
I honestly don't remember
vital lodge
Aztec posted a vid about a build from Build battles
I think it was just ur Beast tamer
dim minnow
Mael's here again, you knwo what that means
trim grotto
Fall into a ravine
dim minnow
vital lodge
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trim grotto
No comment
chrome fog
Love our local byfn’t, much better that byfis