📚lore-discussion

[next bobcat]

i feel like it would just be an LF at that point though

[warm gazelle]

repeating crossbow

with a magazine

[trim grotto]

We can do that with literally any gun due to our inherently paracausal nature.
Heck, someone entirely causal could do that too. Fallen Arc Spears have sheared Ghosts in half before.

Pirrha simply used a special bullet to ensure success.

It was a modified Devourer round akin to that from the true original Thorn - meaning it likely would have killed Cayde-6 outright, for good, if he himself was shot - even if Sundance survived.

[next bobcat]

now that i think about it, lucent oryx probably wouldnt have his ghost out most of the time.

so we cant snipe it

also, this is Xita?

[trim grotto]

That is indeed Xita

The Worm Mother

[next bobcat]

compared to Xol that's giant

and Xol's big already

[trim grotto]

Mama's big.

[simple meteor]

Anyone on

[next bobcat]

also what's in that box thing? havent done Vow before

[next bobcat]

hey buddy, i see you're new! use the LFG channels if you want to play with some people.

[trim grotto]

Well, we're online in the Discord here talking about lore, if that's what you mean.

Do you have a lore question?

[trim grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-the-witch-queen-witch-queen-throne-world-pyramid-gif-25077436

The Upended

[simple meteor]

Wrong room

[trim grotto]

The Upended is a doomsday device of some type. It isn't entirely clear what it does, but we know it's bad.

[next bobcat]

nom nom

[trim grotto]

Not quite

The Upended was drawing power from Xita's body

[next bobcat]

reverse nom nom

[trim grotto]

The further into the Raid you go, the more burned and charred her body becomes

Until, after Rhulk is defeated, she lies still... smoking and deceased. Like in your picture.

[next bobcat]

so by killing rhulk... we kill xita?

or was she just kind of almost dead

[trim grotto]

In a way. It seems to be the Upended that killed Xita, really.

[next bobcat]

the symbol on the upended, it's like a witness symbol. is it just that or is there anything interesting about it?

[trim grotto]

That's pretty much it. It's strongly tied to the Witness and Rhulk but I don't personally know any deeper meaning.

[next bobcat]

ok. do you enjoy answering these constant questions from me?

i want to learn lore

[trim grotto]

Answering questions about lore is quite literally the reason I joined this server

[next bobcat]

which was... before the launch of destiny 2 what the hell ?

hol up that was your discord join date my bad

[clever nacelle]

when shaxx says, "you fought like a titan of the first pillar"

what does he mean by the first pillar?

[trim grotto]

The First Pillar are one of the Titan Orders. We don't know much about them in particular, but they're known for being the "first line of defense against any crisis."

They've been present for events such as the Great Disaster

[clever nacelle]

the great disaster?

[trim grotto]

Aye, the greatest loss of Guardian life until the Red War

Hundreds of Guardians lost their lives in an all out war against Crota and his brood on the surface of the Moon.

[clever nacelle]

oh

then is zavala a member of the first pillar?

[trim grotto]

Lord Shaxx tried to warn us off it, but we still went in. One of the Guardians who died there was Wei Ning. Her partner, Eriana-3, was so vengeful she formed a Fireteam to try and assassinate Crota - the same fireteam Eris Morn was a part of when she still had her Light, as they delved into the Hellmouth.

[trim grotto]

We know of very few specific members. There's... Gunnvor, off the top of my head.

[clever nacelle]

have they been shown in any cutscenes?

[trim grotto]

No

[clever nacelle]

jesus forget how old eris is . how old is shaxx?

[trim grotto]

Lord Shaxx was active in the early Dark Ages, so an unspecified amount of centuries.

[clever nacelle]

iirc eris lost her light hundreds of years ago

[clever nacelle]

dark ages?

[trim grotto]

Aye. After the Collapse came the Dark Ages. Living in villages, huddling in the dark, hiding from Eliksni and human raiders, Warlord Lightbearers... a time of starvation, poverty, sickness.

[clever nacelle]

lore wise im completely new but the collapse is the thing the witness did right?

[trim grotto]

The Black Fleet/Witness/Nezarec/Darkness

The end of Golden Age humanity

Of our system wide settlement, our technological advances

[clever nacelle]

who is eliksni?

[trim grotto]

Fallen
It's their actual species name

[clever nacelle]

oh

if shaxx is like centuries old

are guardians basically immortal with their light?

[trim grotto]

Correct!

Lord Saladin is just as old, perhaps older. Drifter, too.

Zavala, Saint-14, both Dark Ages as well - though Zavala is a bit younger. Osiris is similar.

[clever nacelle]

btw whats the lore behind saladin?

[trim grotto]

Lord Saladin has had quite a lot of lore. He's been around for many centuries.

[clever nacelle]

like the last iron lord or something

need the lore behind that

[trim grotto]

Technically not, actually, though that's what he's known as

hang on do you mind if i speak this bit i'm tired of typing
one moment

[clever nacelle]

sure...

[fast tapir]

how much money for you to read me a bedtime story

[jagged badge]

More like Efriyeet amirite

Iykyk

[trim grotto]

what a classic tale
i like the headcanon that it's the foundation of the Thundercrash

[jagged badge]

Same

[trim grotto]

[clever nacelle]

ngl i need to know this too

[fast tapir]

lmao

i wonder if we will get to see efrideet ever again

[trim grotto]

She returned for the Red War and killed 216 Cabal with 199 bullets, while Lightless

Efrideet rules

[fast tapir]

damn

she is awesome

[clever nacelle]

lightless?

bruh how the hell she lost her light?

[trim grotto]

Indeed

Dominus Ghaul and the Red Legion had built a giant cage for the Traveler, which blocked her Light to all Guardians

That was the Red War

Every single Guardian was left Lightless, and the Red Legion took control of the Last City

[clever nacelle]

oh yea i forgot

[trim grotto]

If it wasn't for us seeking out the Shard of the Traveler in the EDZ and getting our Light back from that, we would never have won

[fast tapir]

did we ever know the shard was there prior to destiny 2?

i cannot remember

[trim grotto]

We specifically didn't, no
I'm sure the Vanguard and other Hunters did

[fast tapir]

ah

[ember storm]

i still wonder how the hive got that one little shard in d1

[fresh zephyr]

im still wondering how did that europa statue clovis used even get there in the first place

he used it to give humanity the exos power up, but no one questioned how suspicious that was

it just looks evil

[ember storm]

i mean the point is he was in complete control of whoever interacted with it, right?

also the witness just gave it to him

anyway he'd regularly wipe the memory of exos who bothered him too much and the security measures of eventide boil down to shoot on site or cause a nuclear chain reaction that destroys the entirety of europa if the facility is compromised

[fresh zephyr]

im not questioning that, i know he did. he was pretty metal with it too

the wonder is the how, exactly

"hey yall, i finally unlocked the secret to immortality from this evil ass statue that just randomly appeared one day"

watch it be the final shape

the women = the traveler + the veil cloaking her, well the veil = suppressing the traveler

[ember storm]

the fact is he never told anyone

[warm gazelle]

I liked that because it explained why we were the ones who had to do everything.

[fresh zephyr]

bigass statue

[warm gazelle]

In D1 it was like the world was ending and no one cared but you lol

[meager belfry]

Are sunsingers and bladedancers still around or are they not present just for gameplay reasons?

[fresh zephyr]

its the apocalypse, the tower remains unharmed

it fact i think it looks cleaner even

[warm gazelle]

why is the witness called the witness

what did they see

[fresh zephyr]

shit, good question

id be calling myself godkiller

the human eradicator

santa clause

[warm gazelle]

the lord of the rings

[fresh zephyr]

i got so many jokes but

it wont end well for me

its like how we build machines of war, battleships, tanks, fighter jets

their literal purpose is to kill and spread as much death as possible

but we "consider sensitivities" when naming them

so we get lame shit like USS Colorado

[ember storm]

what are you even talking about

[fresh zephyr]

its best you dont know

what kind of name would a genocidal maniac give himself

[ember storm]

i mean it's not a him and it's comprised of the butchered corpses of an entire civilization

[fresh zephyr]

so its up to popular vote?

were they all cool with doing it

[errant olive]

probably some of the more powerful individuals forced the others into suicide

[ember storm]

yeah the process included mountains of bodies

[errant olive]

who knows, maybe all of them were nihilistic

[ember storm]

it was self inflicted genocide

[fresh zephyr]

so each one is indistinguishable from any other

so its like a cat

cat got 9 lives, just gotta do it 9 times

[ember storm]

what

[fresh zephyr]

so with witness, I better gotta kill each one separately

[ember storm]

no

[fresh zephyr]

so just once

[ember storm]

it's one entity now

[fresh zephyr]

lol

[ember storm]

we don't even know if you can kill it

[fresh zephyr]

it being one entity makes being comprised of an entire civilizations meaningless

[ember storm]

i don't really get what you mean

[fresh zephyr]

single entity

address it as such, no?

[ember storm]

yeah we call it an it

because it's just some thing

rather than a normal individual

[fresh zephyr]

in the US Navy you refer to ships as Her

Navy ships are not humans

must be black magic

[ember storm]

i really don't get what you're getting at but if it's some stupid commentary on pronouns i don't care for it

[fresh zephyr]

im talking about the lore

the flood merge biomass to form the gravemind

no one refers to the gravemind as its collective hive mind

I am a timeless chorus. Join your voice with mine, and sing victory everlasting. - the first one that began merging them all

i do miss the days when we could talk about the things we enjoyed using simple words for simplicities sake since we all were smart enough to know what it obviously infers

[jagged badge]

Don’t start dude

Pretty sure you already got muted over this kinda shit

Use the correct term and stop whining about it

[fresh zephyr]

the fucking disrespect

has nothing to do with you, literally a videogame character that isnt real, but fuck me though right

[fiery copper]

The Witness refers to itself as We, not I

If you're going to use something other than It you should use They

[fresh zephyr]

its not that deep

but its not up to me, is it. if i dont like it, too bad?

i just have to do as im told, use the correct term and stop whining about it

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[fresh zephyr]

but its you thats constantly bringing it up and literally "whining" about what other players do

[jagged badge]

☺️

[fiery copper]

Yeah its not that deep
There are correct words to use and you're just wrong

[fiery copper]

Basically yes

[fresh zephyr]

lol

[jagged badge]

I’m living in bro’s head rent free fr

[fiery copper]

That would be awesome please and ty

[fresh zephyr]

if you expect me to agree, you should also be cool with it if i dont

that would only be fair, right

[fiery copper]

People tend to bring up when others say incorrect information in the Lore Discussion channel, surprisingly

[fresh zephyr]

sure, but im not rude nor use it to be shitty to people that dont agree

[jagged badge]

You should be cool with it if the regulars here don’t engage with you then since they know you’re rude and hostile and engaging in bad faith

[fresh zephyr]

the whiplash

[fresh zephyr]

maybe "just stop whining about it"

I’m living in bro’s head rent free fr

[jagged badge]

Sis

[fiery copper]

Honestly I do not give a skaven's ass if you agree, the fact is that you're refusing to even consider being wrong.

And before you say "oh you haven't considered that either" I consider being wrong every single time this stupid "debate" comes up, and every single time, literally every single person agrees yeah It or They are correct

[fresh zephyr]

ok cool

i never claimed to be right either

[fiery copper]

You have a right to say what you want
So do I
Stop whining about other people using the same privileges as you

[fresh zephyr]

i agree

[fiery copper]

So we both agree you're wrong, cool we're done here

Byebye :)

[fresh zephyr]

so imma keep calling the witness whatever i want, yeah?

[jagged badge]

Why

[exotic cloak]

It's on your on

[fresh zephyr]

because its not up to you

[exotic cloak]

I call him cheeseburger, now, can we keep discussing lore

[fresh zephyr]

you dont see me telling you what to say or not say

[jagged badge]

Don’t be surprised when people here don’t engage with you then since they know you behave like this

[fresh zephyr]

the arrogance

i respect you the same way i respect myself

so you get the same freedoms i think i deserve

thats just being fair

[jagged badge]

Fluent in Yapanese

[fresh zephyr]

back to being just fucking rude

isnt bizarre preaching using "proper terms" on people when you cant even show proper respect yourself

[chrome fog]

We’ve recovered from the apocalypse, it’s been a good couple centuries since

Also carbon, this again?

@heavy vortex

[jagged badge]

Better to just not engage with them if this is a recurring thing in their interactions

[fresh zephyr]

the obvious and easy solution is dont create issues where there is none, right

[chrome fog]

Third time might learn you something

[fresh zephyr]

youre all pretty full of yourselves after getting use to running to the mods and getting your way, arent ya

[chrome fog]

Anyways

[heavy vortex]

Yeah that’s enough

[chrome fog]

Lore, wonder if there’s any genuine lore questions instead of purposefully obtuse and confrontational discussions

[chrome fog]

To answer this question, I believe essentially all Cabal forces consolidated into the Red Legion, as Ghaul had just consolidated his power into one legion, which is why they don’t appear again after D2

That’s conjecture on my part, though there’s probably some entry explaining such; could also just be a similar case to Sol Divisive, in that the Red Legion just became prominently involved with the Sol System and we’re the sole legion within the Sol System, but there’s not really a direct statement of that being the case

Also to clarify on what terms we refer to the Witness with, “It” and “We” are the most commonly used in-universe, which is why we refer to it as such, though generally it’s not an issue if “he/him” is used so long as there is understanding with being corrected

The Witness is named as such because, supposedly, it “witnessed” the truth of the universe, as well as the path to Salvation

Of course, in viewing Ahsa’s inkblot cutscene which gives insight into the origins of the Witness, what this really means is that the civilization that the Witness once was (literally, it is a conglomeration of all the members of a species) collectively came to the final conclusion of nihilism: that there is no inherent meaning to life, there is no programmed or imparted reason to exist

https://youtu.be/Z0CKckjryVI?si=6pHaVT0NrHGeCg7h

In coming to this conclusion after their civilization prospered with the Traveler/Gardener’s blessing, they asked her what is the meaning of life, but just like our Speaker, like many others who offer the Traveler their woes, she was silent

The video I posted also continues to elaborate what they did from there, and how that lead to its genocidal warpath in trying to capture the Traveler

[shadow crypt]

What’s the backstory and stuff behind Ahsa?

And how is Titan back?

[jagged badge]

Tbh we don’t know

Some theorise it could be something to do with the planets encounter in RoN but

[shadow crypt]

Thanks Eris

[chrome fog]

Ahsa belongs to the species which the Worm Gods originally were a part of, themselves being somewhat warped by the Witness’ Darkness and by wholly succumbing to their hunger

In fact, in season of the Witch, Ahsa serves as Eris’ worm for the ritual which gives tithe to her Hive form

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/an-invocation#book-rites-of-passage

Oh! It’s almost April Fools. Wonder what Ishtar Collective is going to do this year, since last year was Fish

[warm gazelle]

Hopefully it's a showing of Ishtar running on repeat for 24 hours.

[eager trout]

Lore-accurate Guardian vs Green Lantern (from the comics, not the heavily nerfed version from movies/series) is actually a fair fight

[warm gazelle]

the Guardians of the Green Lantern Corps would stomp though

[empty fern]

They’ll make another warmind and put it in a bow

[chrome fog]

It’s. Kinda? But also not really. Yes, we use the Light to create intractable physical objects via our emotes, but Green Lanterns utilize that hardlight capability much more than a Guardian does

[ember storm]

hard counters

no contest

[chrome fog]

[eager trout]

Yeah, but Guardians are pretty OP in lore (because, for starters, they don't have the limitations that were added for gameplay)

[chrome fog]

Though counterpoint: we can just shoot them

[eager trout]

Hasn't worked like that for more than 10 years

[eager trout]

Green Lanterns can tank basically anything as long as they have enough willpower, including bullets.

[chrome fog]

Well no, because generally most Guardians are less capable than The Guardian; we sit somewhere in a higher percentile being able to handle multiple elemental subclasses, as well as the Darkness subclasses

Though generally, Guardians are also taught how to encase their bullets with Light as part of their training

[eager trout]

The Guardian vs Green Lantern

[chrome fog]

In any significant named Green Lantern’s case, they are more likely to easy sweep The Guardian

Their powers are on constantly, whereas ours are passively charged until we utilize it

[eager trout]

Aren't Guardians able to basically spam their abilities? (As well as use Light however they want) Cooldowns are basically just gameplay limitations.

[chrome fog]

Plus we’re not undefeatable, Immaru even commented as such during Festival of the the Lost

[ember storm]

i dont really take any merit into whatever immaru says tbh

[eager trout]

Neither are Green Lanterns

[ember storm]

like obviously we're not invincible but anything out of his mouth is just an attempt to feel better about himself

[chrome fog]

No, that is something my which has been present in lore entries for a while; I’d like to cite uhhhh New Light guy’s battle where he did Gun-Well of Radiance, but generally we cannot spam abilities or supers without serious damage exhaustion

Its why Osiris was so legendary a Guardian aside from navigating the Infinite Forest, because he genuinely could spam supers from multiple subclasses during the Battle of Six Fronts

All while projecting copies of himself to do the same via Vex technology

[ember storm]

was that confirmed to be vex tech

[chrome fog]

I need to read the entry about him doing that, but I assume Vex tech since we know that 1) they can create simulated copies of others, and 2) Cayde got a teleporter from them in Red War, which might’ve been the same type of technology that Osiris used to make himself present across the Six Fronts

And also Osiris is known for researching the Vex

[chrome fog]

I mean yes, but consider how differently the two factions fight; Green Lanterns generally have the full ability to create whatever construct they want just having a fully charged ring which functions properly. Guardians utilize their abilities and weapon prowess to take down smaller groups of enemies and whistle down enemy forces and resources, only utilizing their Supers in crisis or for major damage against a more durable target. A Green lantern can just make a boxed in trash compactor around The Guardian and crush em

It’s certainly possible for The Guardian to win, but it’s gonna be worse than underleveled Grandmaster Nightfall

We’re not entirely that powerful either, just extremely well-rounded for a Lightbearer. Ikora, Saint-14, or Osiris back when he had the Light would technically be more powerful than us

[exotic cloak]

I do not know how green lanters work but some of our weapons are more than just bullets

Now that I think what is the strongest weapon we have? And how actually strong malfeansance is?

[chrome fog]

It is just explosive slugs, not that much else

The Cabal’s skyburners do about the same

[trim grotto]

It's explosive slugs imbued with Taken Blight that resonate and detonate when enough are in proximity

[chrome fog]

Malfeasance’s lore tab even suggests that it’s not all that powerful, not on its own (but with several other malfeasances…)

[trim grotto]

It's a bit more than Skyburners

[exotic cloak]

Yeah that is why I was thinking lore wise it was stronger, considering is power source is a primeval heart

[chrome fog]

That’s fair, but I still think a Lantern’s constructs would blow us out of the water unless we trained beforehand to also utilize our own Light constructs

[trim grotto]

[shadow crypt]

Sooo

Who’s Concordat

Or whatever the name is spelled like

[trim grotto]

One of the original Consensus factions, who were exiled from the City after a failed coup that New Monarchy (ironically) suppressed

[shadow crypt]

Ohh

Were the skimmers like a gift or something?

Or to make peace

[trim grotto]

Both, apparently

[devout nimbus]

Why are people asking about concordat now

Was it mentioned in-game somewhere?

[trim grotto]

On the skimmer lore tab, actually. They're the ones who gave it to us.

[devout nimbus]

Ah I see

Yeah they gave it as a gift didn't they

[trim grotto]

A peace offering, it seems.

[devout nimbus]

Probably want to come back to the tower

[trim grotto]

And the City itself
They were exiled

[devout nimbus]

Mmh

[exotic cloak]

What is concordat

[trim grotto]

Scroll up

[exotic cloak]

My bad

[warm gazelle]

So what is glimmer, exactly?

Is it the currency everyone in the City uses?

[devout nimbus]

😭

[warm gazelle]

Does everyone get paid in glimmer, or is it just Guardians that use it?

[devout nimbus]

Yeah everyone uses it

It's the city's currency

A good example is spider

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/glimmer

[devout nimbus]

He's always talking about how he can make glimmer

[warm gazelle]

New Glimmer comes from reclaimed Golden Age caches and technology - whether a tiny mechanism or an underground lode seeded by ancient machines.
...is there a contingency for when the golden age caches run out?

[trim grotto]

Well, Glimmer seems to be able to, uh... grow. Considering that it's mined out of the ground.

But no, not really.

[warm gazelle]

have to question the wisdom behind making their currency something that has a wide variety of practical functions

like there's a reason no one's currency is like, steel

[trim grotto]

I mean
You know we're post apocalyptic right

The Last City is in desperate need of raw materials

[warm gazelle]

all the more reason why glimmer should not be something used as a currency

and stay in the hands of its tradesmen, industries, etc

[trim grotto]

That's where it goes when we use it

It's essentially a bartering deal

[next bobcat]

We kill enemies and get glimmer, do we just have a matter converter in our pockets that turns parts of their desiccated remains into glimmer?

[warm gazelle]

your average citizen shouldn't be holding onto it

[trim grotto]

It's also only one of our currencies

[trim grotto]

Some things are just gameplay

[next bobcat]

silver

[trim grotto]

Silver is a real currency yes

[next bobcat]

Darn. I wish everything had a proper lore justification and some things weren’t just “because they are”.

[warm gazelle]

gameplay-lore segregation in destiny seems really bad

[trim grotto]

Hardly

[warm gazelle]

it's not a naughty dog game that's for sure

[trim grotto]

Destiny explains most things very very well

[jagged badge]

On the contrary

[next bobcat]

Eris jumpscare

[jagged badge]

It’s surprising just how many random stuff is explained in lore

[jagged badge]

Boo!

[next bobcat]

Aaaahh!

[trim grotto]

Some people argue it's too much

[next bobcat]

We know all the random shit but none of the really deep meaningful stuff

[warm gazelle]

is there lore behind what the various currencies are used for by the average city citizens?

[next bobcat]

Idk probably not

[trim grotto]

Not much, no. They're not really relevant to us. We find glimmer and barter with it, and that's therefore the currency we personally deal with.

[next bobcat]

And we also use it to unlock new light abilities?

With ikora?

[trim grotto]

That part specifically is just gameplay with the new New Light stuff
We used to just learn them

[dense salmon]

What happens when some1 consumes pure radiolarian fluid

[trim grotto]

They die.

[jagged badge]

They leave contented with a tasty snack in their belly

[solar pawn]

saint-14 loves borbs so much he adopted cyade's chicken

[trim grotto]

The Colonel

[solar pawn]

yes

and also hive ghosts are the best stress balls

[jagged badge]

[solar pawn]

yes

[trim grotto]

This is why you're not Consensus

[tiny river]

First person to get to this spot on the edz gets a smiley face ig

I'm a Lil bored

[trim grotto]

Niobe Labs

[tiny river]

Well that was fast🍾

[trim grotto]

[solar pawn]

comit mass genocide problem solved

[pure tree]

Phoenix Protocal's lore entry has a titan complaining about how much Well encroaches on Titan territory, are there any other lore entries which show an in universe depiction of something to do with Destiny discussions that we have like balancing and stuff?

[tiny river]

But deadass, red war feels like the most underrated storyline/ purchase

[trim grotto]

"'Revised Crucible rules are garbage,' blah blah blah. How does this have like three hundred comments?" she says, flicking to the next page. "Where's the juicy stuff?"```

[pure tree]

So VanNet is basically every destiny forum?

[trim grotto]

A waste of time, as always. I won't confiscate the Red Death engrams, I won't roll back the SUROS Crucible firmware to its "original" (preposterously inflated) state. And I won't conduct any more "forensic inquiries" like this!``` - Lord Shaxx

[tiny river]

Basically

[trim grotto]

What the fuck

[tiny river]

I keep only the most random things for any situation

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/mechabre

This isn't what you asked for but have this anyway

Also while I'm thinking of it
@broken zephyr
Observe
Legendary weapon lore

[broken zephyr]

interesting

I guess I just haven't seen any

[pure tree]

Wait, if I'm reading that right, the warlock got squished by an ultra Minotaur cuz his team-mates were too busy arguing about the feasibility of mechs?

[trim grotto]

Pretty much

[pure tree]

Damn, that warlock and I got so much in common

[broken zephyr]

💀

[jagged badge]

[broken zephyr]

Any more stories like this one?

[pure tree]

Also, can a guardian who dies after their connection to the light has been severed be revived if the connection is restored later or are they dead dead?

[trim grotto]

Dead dead

[broken zephyr]

well if they've lost their connection to the light, that means they got no revives

they gone

[trim grotto]

Even if the Ghost survives

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cinder-pinion-boots

Try this

[pure tree]

Ok, so if that psion during chosen had killed Zavala, that's end of the line for blue baldy?

[trim grotto]

Yeppers

It was a real threat

[broken zephyr]

Also, what's the difference between losing connection to the light, and literally losing your light?

[trim grotto]

I'm not sure I understand the question

[broken zephyr]

I know

I'm trying to find a way to word it better

[trim grotto]

The Red War had all Guardians lose their connection to the Light, but it was restored once the Traveler was Fred

...

Okay

Sure

Fred it is

[broken zephyr]

Fred

[pure tree]

Do you mean the difference between smth like zavala's ghost being suppressed by the thingy and like, the squad of 9 who had their light extracted from the by the hive?

[broken zephyr]

Fred, the Traveler

[broken zephyr]

let's go with, yes

because that's probably what I mean

[trim grotto]

One is something you can recover from

The other you cannot

[broken zephyr]

I'll circle back to that once I can gather my thoughts
In other news, "nice boots"

[trim grotto]

Zavala lost his Light because of a mini cage for stinky baby Ghosts
But once that cage was gone he was dandy
But if his Light, his spark, was removed... or his Ghost, for example...

Lights out, as it were

He may survive but he'll be a mortal smurf

[broken zephyr]

Interesting

[trim grotto]

As opposed to Lord Emperor Immortal Smurf

[broken zephyr]

[solar pawn]

zavala is known for being a smurf with a huge forehead

[next bobcat]

Cloudstrike pls explain

[solar pawn]

._.

[trim grotto]

In the early Dark Ages, a Lightbearer wielded the storm with a crook.
It's an artifact imbued with Arc Light. And somebody put a trigger on it.

[next bobcat]

But how is it connected to the fallen and beyond light?

Is it even?

[trim grotto]

Not particularly, no.

[shadow crypt]

@trim grotto Can you send me a paragraph of lore

Something interesting

[solar pawn]

I know this isn't really lore but if you find a bird you must give it to saint-14

[trim grotto]

Tex Mechanica once tried to bribe Lord Shaxx to rig the Crucible matches and make their guns seem superior
So he sent his personal Redjack, Arcite 99-40, to dissuade them and threatened to send a fireteam of Titans through their roof.

[shadow crypt]

Tex Mechanica?

Isn’t that a weapon foundry?

[jagged badge]

Yeah

And they wanted to up their sales through good exposure in the Crucible

[shadow crypt]

Ohh

[trim grotto]

Exactly

[shadow crypt]

That makes sense

[shadow crypt]

What did Shaxx respond with?

[trim grotto]

I

Um

You might want to reread what I said

[shadow crypt]

Ohh

Mb

I read it a bit wrong

[chrome fog]

What does this mean? We get elaboration upon species who we encounter as well as those we don't even get to see, some who have been made extinct; PLUS character stories for both those we get to see in the main stories and the ones who don't

[ember storm]

for real

[warm gazelle]

Huh. Does the beginning of the game change if you make a new character vs importing one from D1?

[dim minnow]

you can't import characters from D1

as as of currently, the new character experience is always the Cosmodrome stuff

[warm gazelle]

I could have sworn you could. What am I thinking of...

“We know that, just like us, you have grown fond of the Guardians you’ve created, so we do plan to preserve your character personalization,” Bungie said. “We are going to recognize the dedication and passion you’ve shown for this world. Specifically, the class, race, gender, face, hair, and marking selections for all characters that have achieved Level 20 and completed the Black Garden story mission will carry forward. We also plan to award those veteran accounts with honors that reflect your Destiny 1 accomplishments.”
So this was BS?

I distinctly remember, many years ago when I tried D2 a little bit, starting the game with a character that at least looked exactly like my D1 did. Maybe that is a hallucination from my geriatric brain though.

[dim minnow]

as far as I know, this amoutned to emblems, unique dialogue, and I think a transmat effect

maybe the character creation stuff applied, but I wouldn't know

[warm gazelle]

I do not remember doing any of this cosmodrone stuff before.

but that may well be because i am oldge

[trim grotto]

The Cosmodrome wasn't the D2 beginning

The Red War was

[warm gazelle]

yeah

[trim grotto]

Cosmodrome came back in Beyond Light

[warm gazelle]

right

To my recollection, there was no reason to believe my character at the start of D2 was a new character, and not the continued adventures of my first one.

[trim grotto]

And no, it wasn't BS
They just haven't worried about it since BL as it'd been years by then
Anyone coming from D1 had largely already made their character

[warm gazelle]

Which makes more sense to me anyway as our D2 ghost has the same voice actor and, well, overall personality.

[next bobcat]

What was twilight gap?

[dim minnow]

major Battle that took place in the famous Crucible map

a while ago, the main Fallen Houses all united to try and attack the Last City

the House of Devils, Winter, and Kings were all involved

the House of Wolves were going to join up (and if they did it would have been bad for us) however Mara Sov intervened and completely destroyed 3 Ceres (the largest Asteroid in the Asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter) where their main base of operations was.

as a result, this started the Reef Wars where the Awoken fought agains tthe House of Wolves

in the end, Variks betrayed the Kell of Wolves, Skolas, who would be imprisoned by Mara until he was later released by the Nine which led to the events of the House of Wolves expansion

this expansion would be the start of our growing relationship with Mara and the Awoken

back to Twilight Gap itself, the battle would be a close victory with Shaxx disobeying direct orders from Saladin by having himself and his fireteam stay behind to fight off the Fallen

during this battle, Ana Bray would use it as an opportunity to fake her death so she could further pursue the secrets of Clovis Bray and Rasputin unhindered

Saladin and Shaxx's relationship would be left in shambles

Shaxx would be inspired to remake the Crucible into a place for Guardians to forge themselves into stronger warriors

Saint-14 would hunt down and kill the Devil's Kell, Solkis, by headbutting him so hard his head exploded

and that would lead to the Kings secretly taking over the Devils

and Crux/Lomar would create the Gjallarhorn rocket launcher out of the armor of Guardians who fell during the battle and give them to the battle's survivors to honor them

so basically Twilight Gap was a very influential event in the game's lore

given that the battle's approach was what directly led to the Reef Wars which itself already had a large impact on the story

along with the direct effects of Twilight Gap itself

[blazing wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-speech-bubble-gif-25397532

(Jokes aside this is a great read)

[next bobcat]

I am reading allat

@dim minnow is the house of wolves connected to SIVA?

[dim minnow]

no

Splicers from the House of Devils were the ones using SIVA

[next bobcat]

What’s all the stuff about house light?

[dim minnow]

House Light was established by Mithrax some time after the Red War

[next bobcat]

Where did Mithrax come from

[dim minnow]

I believe he originated from the wolves

[next bobcat]

Also, did the house of kings become the scorn in warlords ruin? (Emblem)

[dim minnow]

he would start his own crew where he would commit some heinous acts

[dim minnow]

yes

[next bobcat]

I are smart

What happened to Eramis after plunder?

[dim minnow]

The Witness would turn some of her dead friends into Scorn

and then send her to Seraph Station where her SPlicers would work to try and take control over Rasputin's warsat network

at the end of Seraph, she would take control of these Warsats and try to use them against the Traveler, however, Rasptuin would initiate Aurora Sacrifce foiling her plans

she would also be confused as to why the Traveler isn't running away

then in Defiance, she would warn Mithrax not to try and save a bunch of Shadow Legion prisoners kept in a specifc cave

of course, this was the mission where Amanda Holliday died and Mithrax himself would barely escape the explosion thanks to Eramis

fast forward to now, and Eramis has decided to abandon her vendetta against us and instead left Sol to find her mate, Arthys

[next bobcat]

So she’s not dead

[dim minnow]

not currently

and to elaborate more on Mithrax's upbringing

his mother was a part of the House of Weavers which we believe became the House of Wolves

like how the Dancers became the Devils

[next bobcat]

Reply fail lmaooooo

[dim minnow]

anyways

[next bobcat]

That’s in my photos now

[fast tapir]

"Saint-14 would hunt down and kill the Devil's Kell, Solkis, by headbutting him so hard his head exploded" beautiful.

[dim minnow]

so Mithrax's mother, Inaaks, would be forced to adopt two hatchlings from Eramis (not her hatchlings to clarify)

[next bobcat]

Solkis more like no more skullkis

[dim minnow]

these two hatchlings would be Siviks and Rakis (Spider)

and they would be protective older brothers to Mithrax

[next bobcat]

Mithrax gives off little brother vibes

Is eido mithrax’s daughter?

[dim minnow]

eventually, Inaaks would discover the Moon Pyramid and find Nezarec's corpse within where she would cut up the body and takes parts from it

[next bobcat]

Explain all of this in great detail

[dim minnow]

yes, but adopted, he found her in a crashed skiff following a bloody battle between Awoken and Wolves

during the Reef Wars I believe

[dim minnow]

so these pieces of Nezarec would be scattered among the old crews (Fallen pirates unaffiliated with the houses)

Innaks would keep a finger and give it to Mithrax

then Mithrax would be influenced by it

becoming a cruel captain

eventually marooning his entire crew including Siviks and Spider

after an incident where he killed an entire group of human prisoners just because his crew disagreed with him

After seeing how distraught Inaaks was of this, Mithrax would be ashamed of his past

then at some point, he would be captured by Sjur Eido and would decide to join the Awoken during the Reef Wars

which was when he discovered Eido (yes he named Eido after Sjur Eido) in that wrecked skiff

then fast forward much later and we would encounter Mithrax on Titan where he would evade and outsmart us

in the end, we would find him fighting a lone Hive knight where we would choose to either kill him and the knight or just the knight

it is assumed that the canon outcome was that we killed the knight only

and that event would be what inspires Mithrax to start the House of Light where he would have a fireteam of his own consisting of himself and two guardians

he would also enlist our help in stopping Eramis from stealing Outbreak Perfected from the old Last City Tower

he would continue to develop his house behind the scenes until Season of the Splicer where we invite the House of Light into the city in exchange for their assistance

[next bobcat]

Is season of the splicer about the devil splicers?

And was that when we got outbreak?

[calm granite]

splicer was a long time after the whole outbreak thing

splicer was our first alliance with mithrax and his house of light, with the goal of avoiding a vex incursion on the city in some way or other

in the words of d2, stop a vex simulation from engulfing the last city

and ending with a climax killing the Future War Cult syndicate leader, Lakshmi-2, for planning a coup against the Vanguard leadership and opening a Vex portal in the middle of the newly-built Eliskni quarter

as she had seen a future where Eliksni in the city led to the destruction of the Last City

This also led to all 3 syndicates, FWC, New Monarchy and Dead Orbit to be expelled from the Last City, as all 3 were in on the whole coup thing

This was also during the year where Osiris was actually Savathun under a disguise, so there were some shenanigans relating to that as well mixed in there

[warm gazelle]

ah new monarchy my old crucible sponsor

wondered what happened to them

[sick yew]

Yeah they just dipped

[warm gazelle]

shame, i liked their drip a lot more than the crucible gear we have now

[patent lichen]

they DIED (REAL) [police called] 3AM NEW MONARCHY POTION!

[sick yew]

[warm gazelle]

what's up guys, gliminity here, back to bring you another BANGER we bought this ghost potion off the black garden and we're gonna use it to talk to the new monarchy

[patent lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/amongus-amonguspotion-among-us-sus-sus-suspect-gif-26429775

[silver dune]

Had a question, lore-wise can our guardian do back-to-back supers and abilities like we've seen/heard other guardians do?

[crimson bobcat]

From what I know in the lore, our character cannot

[blazing wasp]

From what I understand of the lore... we can

[jagged badge]

Cooldowns have been seen in the lore

A Hunter tries to use Golden Gun and then remembers they already just used it and can’t

It’s probably something more to do with discipline and training than an arbitrary actual cooldown though

[jagged badge]

“But Eris, Discipline is for grenade cooldown, not super!”

[trim grotto]

The giant creature pulls back its other fist and its steel muscles bunch. I reach for the Light and get… nothing? Huh. Right. I used my flaming gun on those three Taken outside the obelisk. Gotta learn to count.

What I love about my Ghost—```

for reference

[silver dune]

Ah I see

[trim grotto]

There aren't any specific references to our Guardian, as what our Guardian can do... depends on you! As the player.

[silver dune]

So we can assume that guardians like Ikora and Osiris are able to do this because they have been wielding the light for much longer.

*this being ability spam

[trim grotto]

That is a large part of it, yes, but they're also very disciplined.

For example, Drifter is even older than both of them.

However, we've never seen him use his Light for more than (poorly) cauterising a wound or setting his jade coins alight.

But yes, Osiris and Ikora are both centuries old.

[silver dune]

Alright

Thank you

[pure tree]

blud burned a goldie on three red bar taken and then died superless to the boss, i think thats a skill issue

[crimson bobcat]

Oops chat just now loaded for me

[crimson bobcat]

Dude you should see the weird choices that other guardians have made in the lore its kind of wild

[shadow crypt]

Sooo

What’s the deal with the Psions?

I feel like their story still hasn’t wrapped up imo

[crimson bobcat]

Honestly I’d say it’s wrapped up but it’s hard to tell

[calm granite]

have the power to wield untold destruction
use it for magic tricks
least based drifter moment

[sick yew]

"Ding"

[ember storm]

I mean that’s canonically how emotes work

[shadow crypt]

This is a dumb question but

do guardians in the lore use exotic armor

[blazing wasp]

Damn

[blazing wasp]

Some do, but if they work might be a different case

Osiris has sunbracers with ornaments

[shadow crypt]

O

[blazing wasp]

Shaw han has young ahamkara spine

[shadow crypt]

Osiris is an ad clear demon

[blazing wasp]

He doesnt use solar anymore

[shadow crypt]

What does he use now?

Is he still a lightbearer

[blazing wasp]

No

Ghost died to xivu

[shadow crypt]

Ohh

That makes sense

So that takes away his light

[blazing wasp]

While he nearly killed off oryx' entire bloodline single handedly

[shadow crypt]

Ah ok

[coral kiln]

Lmao

[coral kiln]

Fynch disagrees btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGCvY9hF46s&themeRefresh=1

[blazing wasp]

I'm unsure fynch knows more about the witness than the witness

[coral kiln]

But more than us

👍

[jagged badge]

Uke, don’t engage with this guy

They already got warned/muted over a transphobic profile

[blazing wasp]

Just scrolled up the the convo

I was about to

[jagged badge]

They also already tried to create an argument over this exact topic already

[coral kiln]

Off topic

Im reporting

[blazing wasp]

Anyhow, drifter

Do we know what pelt he uses?

There's few animals left after the collapse

[jagged badge]

@sick yew just to let you know, this stasis guy is trying to cause an argument again over something you already warned them to drop before

[coral kiln]

[silver dune]

Why did Eris get rid of Xivu's throne world instead of ending her?
Also can Xivu not rebuild a throne world?

[coral kiln]

@sick yew

[jagged badge]

Probably because there was a limit to what she could do given Xivu’s power

And I’d assume Xivu can’t just build another one, or Eris’ plan would be nothing more than a useless gesture

[silver dune]

ah

thank you

[devout nimbus]

Please don't talk about mod actions in chat

[jagged badge]

My b, sorry

[ember storm]

killing Xivu would’ve cemented Eris as a new hive god falling into the constant cycle of death and rebirth forever

her exact words were “this is the rejection of your sad legacy”

[eager trout]

Umm...Carbon is the one that's muted, the other one isn't.

[warm gazelle]

how do you even kill a hive god then. is it impossible?

[jagged badge]

We killed Oryx so no

[ember storm]

no but the point is Eris was not going to kill her

unless we actually ventured into Xivu’s throne world she wouldn’t really be dead

and at that point Eris would be too far gone in her status as the hive god of vengeance to come back

this is just the best outcome

[chrome fog]

Morning Cryptarchs

[ember storm]

goodbye now I have responsibilities

[chrome fog]

So, Throneworlds
As you might know, Hive can gather Ascendent Power/Energy, which allows them to do funny Hive Magic shenanigans. One such shenanigans is having a domain of their own passively forming within the Ascendent Plane once they have become powerful enough; as the Ascendent Plane is a funky weird spirit plane to reality, they are able to dictate the “rules” of their Throneworld as well as expand it as they continue to accrue Ascendent Power. One benefit aside from being an extremely broken arena that the individual Hive can exploit, the Throneworld also allows them to essentially respawn within it once they have died in the regular world; however, should they die in their Throneworld, the Hive will die a final death, as we had done with Crota and with Oryx.

Oryx’s is a weird exception as he had essentially turned it inside out and made it the interior of the Dreadnaught, but Crota’s is a perfect example:
In his Throneworld, Crota could not be harmed by anything save for his swordbearers’ swords, as he held the Sword Logic (and his literal sword) in higher regard than himself

[blazing wasp]

It's worth noting that hive gods aren't gods in the "living manifestations of concepts and ideas" sense

[chrome fog]

They’re kinda yes like that but they are also very much just powerful individuals of their species; they are somewhat forced to pursue the domain they are god of due to the esoteric nature by which the worms feed, but that only makes them unique among their species (ex Savathun’s worm fed off of cunning, so she would have to consistently trick others and just do mindfuckery stuff to feed it)

Like half gods

[fiery copper]

Oh shit mb didn't know a mod did that

Will not mention convo again

[fiery copper]

Starve them to death and do a home invasion, basically

Hive gods die permanently if you kill them in their throne world.

[chrome fog]

Anyways, the other reason why Eris opted to lock Xivu outside of her Throneworld - aside from rejecting the cyclic violence of the Sword Logic - is that Xivu is essentially mortal now, and she no longer has her revive point to return from

[fiery copper]

However, since they write the rules inside said throne, that's a bit difficult to just FUCK IT, WE BALL and walk straight in

[chrome fog]

That’s a good point, in that tearing down their tithing structure significantly weakens Hive higher up on the pyramid

[fiery copper]

Yea it's how we killed oryx

[chrome fog]

[fiery copper]

Or well

[chrome fog]

Yes, I did cover this

[fiery copper]

It was necessary

[fiery copper]

Unfortunately for everyone involved I am dumb and gay and my brain is too full of women to also focus on media literacy

[chrome fog]

Ironically, Oryx’s Throneworld followed the Sword Logic to a T, which unfortunately meant that he was perfectly welcoming to being killed by any who proved themselves more powerful

[coral kiln]

[blazing wasp]

No thoughts, head full

[fiery copper]

Bit of expansion on this, the reason we have to use hive swords in Crota's End is because he set up the Custom Game Lobby to give them +bazillion% damage, since he believes the Sword Logic is everything there is to life.

[blazing wasp]

I can relate

[fiery copper]

ong women are just too epic gameing to NOT think about

[chrome fog]

That’s also why I theorize that Oryx either fully believes he is dead or is staying dead out of respect for the Sword Logic, despite his body being preserved and continuing to grow

[blazing wasp]

It's also ironic then that we defeated oryx with bombs.

[chrome fog]

[chrome fog]

STAR I JUST EXPLAINED THIS

[blazing wasp]

Intentionally ironic in hindsight

We proved that the sword logic is not superior, in a sense

Through bomb logic, figuratively and literally

[fiery copper]

The Scarlet Hive idk the name wanted to try and rez him, and they were like 99% sure he'd try and exterminate all of them for trying.

[blazing wasp]

Savathuns brood, the lucent hive

[chrome fog]

No, there were the Scarlet Keep brood who were trying to resurrect Oryx using the Pyramid

[coral kiln]

Wait a sec. I couldnt have my username. So u cant either

[blazing wasp]

Oh

[fiery copper]

Their logic (hehe get it) was that either Oryx slaughtered them all, proving oryx was fit to rule, or THEY killed ORYX, meaning they no longer needed him.

[fiery copper]

Anyway

[fiery copper]

This actually makes sense?

[coral kiln]

Thank @jagged badge for reporting mine

[fiery copper]

Kinda?

[coral kiln]

[blazing wasp]

I suppose

[chrome fog]

I’d have to read up on Shadowkeep lore again but I think that was the explanation? Which definitely fits

[fiery copper]

It's a really weird way of thinking yea

[blazing wasp]

(Also don't begin with them star, trust me, it won't end.)

[fiery copper]

But I can see how the hive of all people would think that way

[blazing wasp]

It doesn't exactly not make sense

[fiery copper]

Yea I was here the first time lul

[chrome fog]

Too bad the Scarlet Keep brood were a side thing to our exploration of the Pyramids

[blazing wasp]

So I suppose it does make sense

[fiery copper]

It was a LITERALLY RED herring for the pyramid lmfao

[chrome fog]

I would hate a Nightmare Oryx

[fiery copper]

20 minutes of standing in circles to cleanse orbs

[eager trout]

You what?🤨

[chrome fog]

Ironically they’re perfectly media literate, it’s just reading literacy they were struggle with

[fiery copper]

Dude look at my bio and ingame status I'm fully open about this

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-drink-laugh-funny-thats-gif-11859512

STAR WHAT IS YOUR BIO

[coral kiln]

I was too

[chrome fog]

Anyways

Lore questions anyone?

[coral kiln]

💀

[eager trout]

With that, I agree. However

[chrome fog]

Very funny but we gotta reign it back in

[fiery copper]

Is zavala Saint 14

[chrome fog]

No, Saint-14 is Saint-14

[eager trout]

I can't even comprehend your bio

[coral kiln]

Nonsense

[fiery copper]

He could just be running very fast between the courtyard and hangar and putting on a helmet with a funny accent

[eager trout]

Do we ever see them in the same place at the same time?

[chrome fog]

Yes, there have been a couple cutscenes where all major Guardians are gathered, such as I believe Lightfall

[fiery copper]

Damb guess my game theory makes no sense whatsoever after all, byf was right all along

[chrome fog]

Considering Zavala had a wife and adopted kid and Saint is with Osiris, I doubt they would’ve been the same person

[fiery copper]

Bi

[chrome fog]

Fair, but also he was extremely not over his wife as was apparent with Season of the Haunted

[fiery copper]

And seeing how both Sadiyah and Osiris just (effectively) died, he would be Bi Himself

[jagged badge]

So true

[fiery copper]

Yea I know I'm 100% joking zavala isn't Saint 14

He couldn't run fast enough to get to the hangar in timr

[chrome fog]

I am brain-ned

[blazing wasp]

Saint is netlimiting

[fiery copper]

I mean of course he is, he plays trials

[eager trout]

Ok, serious question now

[chrome fog]

Shoot

[eager trout]

Does a Guardian's class have anything to do with what they did/were like in their past life?

[chrome fog]

Eeehhhh vaguely

[blazing wasp]

Not necessarily

There's the uh

[fiery copper]

We have no confirmation but a bunch of anecdotes

[blazing wasp]

Whats the word

There's two parts that make up a person

How they're born and how they grow up

The latter is kinda gone when a guardian is made

[fiery copper]

Crow is obviously a hunter because like yeah of course he is

[blazing wasp]

A blank slate

[fiery copper]

Nurture/Nature

[chrome fog]

There are certainly specific characteristics associated with members of each class, which who you were before could play into, but it’s not entirely set

[blazing wasp]

That's the bitch

[ember storm]

Wrong order

Docked points

[blazing wasp]

Crow is a good scout, and likes his freedom

So, hunter

[eager trout]

So that means most Titans were born dumb?

[chrome fog]

There’s also the fact that there are no real boundaries between the classes, as Shaw Han can attest to with his Gun Well of Radiance

[fiery copper]

That is how my sociology professor taught it smh so maybe YOU have the wrong order

[coral kiln]

I just identify as a warlock

[blazing wasp]

Your sociology professor taught psychology?

Actually

That does make sense.

[fiery copper]

I mean you have healing nades
YES IM STILL SALTY ABOUT THAT CHAMGE

[chrome fog]

I know funny haha, but warlocks and hunters have also proven themselves dumb

[blazing wasp]

Intelligence =/= wisdom

And vice verca

[eager trout]

Guardians are only as smart as the players

[blazing wasp]

So, idiots at best

[chrome fog]

Y’know what this is so true thank you for this

[eager trout]

Me after melee-attacking a Screeb/Cursed Thrawl:

[fiery copper]

Intelligence is knowing that since Vegetables are a made up category by the culinary industry, you can put Tomatoes and Spicy Peppers in a fruit salad.

Wisdom is knowing YOU SHOULD NOT DO THAT

Charisma is marketing your tomato-and-pepper fruit salad as a Salsa

[chrome fog]

But yeah, there’s certain personalities that lean toward each class, but you can very much cross-pollinate between them

[blazing wasp]

And I care for none of this, social norms, laws of physics, common sense, they all elude me

[chrome fog]

Felwinter did a Sentinel shoulder charge I believe, and he’s a legendary Warlock

[blazing wasp]

I put the pizza in the salad.

With pineapples.

[fiery copper]

Pizza on salad is legit

[fiery copper]

Die a thousand deaths.

[blazing wasp]

Not on

In.

Mix it around

[fiery copper]

Mmm ches

[blazing wasp]

Feta

[fiery copper]

ANYWAY DESTINY

Some guardians make a lot of sense with their classes

[chrome fog]

Yes Destiny

[fiery copper]

Like I mentioned, of course Uldren got rezzed as a hunter.

[blazing wasp]

The personality, ideologies, etc makes the class

[ember storm]

dying and becoming risen is essentially a factory reset

memory is wiped but framework is the same

[blazing wasp]

This does mean that a person who undergoes significant change in their self can end up being a different class

[fiery copper]

But then like, Ana Bray, one of the most brilliant researchers in the history of humanity, WHO WAS SO SMART SHE TAUGHT AN AI TO FEEL HUMAN EMOTIONS, isn't a warlock.

[ember storm]

Uldren was just inherently crafty and well-adjusted to field work

it was his personal experience that made him the jerk we knew

[blazing wasp]

Like freedom

[chrome fog]

lean towards the class, but it’s not wholly determined what class they chose as there are an equal spread of various personalities within Classes

[blazing wasp]

Explore

Adventure shit

[fiery copper]

And his emotionally abusive sister didn't really help

[blazing wasp]

Ana wasn't inherently intelligent

Or, perhaps to a degree

[ember storm]

you know crow still does the pause and eye close before a confirmed kill shot

it’s instinctive

[fiery copper]

I can see WHY she's a hunter, but I also still think she would fit MORE as a warlock.

However two Warlock DLCs in a row mightve made the hunter playerbase angy

[blazing wasp]

Must mean his aim is steady as fuck

[ember storm]

I mean of course it is

there was zero shake even when Cayde went “that’s why your sister dead as hell”

[blazing wasp]

Managing to hit a target from a distance while closing your eyes for over a second means your aim is incredible

[blazing wasp]

Her "nurture", the past, the non inherent, is the smart one presumably

The warlock

Which goes away upon your first rez

What inherently makes up your personality remains

[jagged badge]

Ana was already a Hunter before Warmind was even being cooked up

[ember storm]

intelligence isn’t personality

[fiery copper]

Your memories are "just" certain synapse pathways firing more often. If they stop firing, say, after your brain gets disintegrated and rebuilt, you'd have to start over.

Or it's space magic, which is the canon answer because it's a conscious choice by the Traveler to make guardians New People instead of being tethered to who they were before.

[ember storm]

you know she’s like the most skilled hacker we know

[fiery copper]

Ah yea, forgot

[ember storm]

Being a warlock isn’t about smarts

[blazing wasp]

Can confirm

Am a warlock

[fiery copper]

She DPS'd at twilight gap so hard that she left permanent pools of Light.

[blazing wasp]

Rumors say remnants of the dps numbers still linger

[fiery copper]

It's about hyperfixation and autism

[fiery copper]

Also during TTK we go to Twilight Gap and stave off Oryx's presence using conveniently placed pools of Light.

NOW IM NOT SAYING THOSE TWO THINGS ARE RELATED

but THOSE TWO THINGS ARE 100% RELATED

[eager trout]

The ability to use any subclass but only using Arc because it's comfy

[chrome fog]

Wish I had that rundown on the different classes from the Cryptarchy

[fiery copper]

Me with contraverse chaos accelerant

[blazing wasp]

Oh I'm p sure ghost specified its Ana's pools

[ember storm]

It’s specifically from Ana

[chrome fog]

But anyways, to the original question: who you were before kinda relates to what class you become, as your personality prior to death will be retained upon resurrection, and the classes have certain leanings toward certain personalities, though ultimately anyone can be any class

[fiery copper]

Idk whenever I brought it up on Byf Server (rest in peace) I got called dum so it might be false

[blazing wasp]

They do that even if youre right

Or did

[eager trout]

Does that mean my Hunter girl has always been a conspiracy theorist?

[fiery copper]

As with literally everything in d2 lore, the answer is a solid, definitive

Kinda

[coral kiln]

I cant wait for Nimbus to finally get killed off

[chrome fog]

Heck, technically the mechanical classification between the three classes via their different utilizations of Light in their arsenal is fairly contrived if you look at it

[chrome fog]

Great thanks not relevant to the discussion and comes off fairly mean spirited, be better

[ember storm]

do you have anything meaningful to do with your time or is this the highlight of your day

[fiery copper]

I would agree, but we all know why you're saying it so shhhh the grownups are talking sweetie 💅

I want nimbus to grow as a person and for them to be less annoying

[coral kiln]

So angry

[chrome fog]

I have my Hunter as a research nerd while my Warlock is a jock, so yes it’s whatever you want your guardian to be

[fiery copper]

And for us to meet the new cloudstrider

[chrome fog]

Move on

[coral kiln]

Just my opinion bro

[ember storm]

it is legitimately just pathetic

[coral kiln]

Maybe u should grow up

[coral kiln]

Take this advice

[eager trout]

Titans: blunt weapons
Hunters: tech weapons
Warlocks: anime

[fiery copper]

My warlock is a mad scientist whose body is slowly turning into pure Void energy, so she wears a pressure suit powered by a Turbulent Reactor in her bond in order to slow, but never halt, the inevitable flow of entropy permanently consuming her and her body.

My Titan is canonically the one doing the raids, she's the only functional adult of the three and is the person begging the fireteam to stop wasting revive tokens

My hunter is Rebecca Cyberpunk

[chrome fog]

Nice

But anyways

Next question

[devout nimbus]

For what reason?

[jagged badge]

I’m ngl I’m wondering if we’ll find a way to bypass the Cloud Strider’s expiration thing tbh. If Bungie intend for another 10 years of Destiny, they have to recognise that Nimbus wouldn’t last those 10 years too

[eager trout]

Cloud Strider expiration what now?

[ember storm]

there’s just the obvious factor it’s never going to happen because they’re a destination vendor

[eager trout]

They have an expiration date?

[coral kiln]

Obnoxious immaturity? Childish humor? Take ur pick

[jagged badge]

The intense augmentations Cloud Striders undergo give them a 10 year lifespan

[ember storm]

there is zero worth whatsoever hoping for their death

the only possible reason you would be thinking about it is plainly obvious

[jagged badge]

Rohan was in fact the only Cloud Strider who died in combat and not from this expiration

[fiery copper]

^ rohan was nearing the end of his, according to nimbus.

[coral kiln]

So why u care

Nimbus is like deadass the most hated character

[fiery copper]

So true Themstie

[devout nimbus]

Was just curious

[eager trout]

Is Nimbus a reliable source of information?

[fiery copper]

Fynch could give them a run for their money

[chrome fog]

Considering he was close to Rohan, yes

[fiery copper]

About cloudstriders yeah I'd say so

[coral kiln]

lmao no just yall

[eager trout]

Would you trust the newbie to know how long the veteran has been on the job?

[jagged badge]

They

[coral kiln]

Lmao

[chrome fog]

FUCK, my bad

[fiery copper]

I have a feeling it came up AT LEAST once during training

[ember storm]

everybody acted obnoxious and weird in the LF campaign none of it is unique to nimbus

[jagged badge]

No worries

[coral kiln]

Hahaha

[eager trout]

Since when is Nimbus-

[coral kiln]

Oh nooo

[fiery copper]

THE VEIL

• Osiris Lightfall

[coral kiln]

The fake not real character

[ember storm]

WE NEED TO DO BETTER

[jagged badge]

Nimbus has been confirmed as non-binary since Season of Plunder

[ember storm]

ok buddy let’s get you some tea

[eager trout]

Is it 10 Earth years, or 10 Neptune years?

[jagged badge]

Earth years

[ember storm]

it’s been in their vendor description since day 1

[eager trout]

Season of what-

[jagged badge]

The third season of Witch Queen

[coral kiln]

Is Nimbus also a confirmed cloudstriker

[ember storm]

nimbus was revealed during the LF trailer

which shockingly came out before LF did

[jagged badge]

Bungie released a series of images for Pride month with characters set over backgrounds representing different flags

[ember storm]

so bungie spoke about them multiple times

[eager trout]

As someone who plays in Spanish, I have no way of knowing that.

[jagged badge]

And Nimbus had the enby flag

[coral kiln]

Answer pls

[fiery copper]

Pirate season, arc 3.0, nezarec jar retrieval, we found out mithrax was a pirate captain who made Spider walk the plank

[ember storm]

the answer is no because that’s a shit exotic sniper

[fiery copper]

No they're a Silver Surfer cameo

[coral kiln]

Ok so if he no cloudstriker

[chrome fog]

Because the way in which you discuss their death can make it appear as if you wish for their removal from the game as they identify as non-binary, which has been a fairly prevalent sentiment since the reveal of Nimbus. As discrimination is not permitted in the server, you must take better care in how you discuss these topics else should you be removed for being purposefully problematic. Please do better.

[coral kiln]

Ur the one that got it wrong

[ember storm]

you really do have nothing better to do, do you

[coral kiln]

U do better

[fiery copper]

Honestly the most valid answer ty

[chrome fog]

Leave them, mods can take care of this

[coral kiln]

[eager trout]

More like Silver Surfer knock-off (or legally different enough imitation to avoid being sued)

[ember storm]

I mean beyond hoverboard that is silver there’s basically nothing

[fiery copper]

In English, quests and dialogues that refer to them use, well, Them. And like the text summaries of conversations that happen when you speak to a vendor use Them as well.

[jagged badge]

They

[coral kiln]

Omg

[fiery copper]

Argent Waverider

[eager trout]

Put your feelings in a Stasis crystal and just leave it. Arguing is not worth it.

[fiery copper]

Mirrored Boarder

Gray Gay

[eager trout]

That's not even close to similar

[fiery copper]

Silvery Surfery

[jagged badge]

[chrome fog]

In any case, it’s readily apparent in what we are presented that :

• Cloudstriders last only 10 years with two at any one time to prevent subjecting too many individuals to a shortened lifespan
• Rohan and Nimbus clearly had connected together in their profession, and it would be fairly strategically incompetent if Nimbus was not informed about everything regarding Cloudstriders when they are a Cloudstrider
• Nimbus uses they/them pronouns, which other characters use and which Bungie has presented them as, with the aforementioned pride flags with Nimbus representing the non-binary flag

[eager trout]

Joke; paraphrased quote referencing something obscure probably no one here even knows about.

[chrome fog]

Next question

[fiery copper]

Chromatic Contender

[chrome fog]

That’s a fun name

[eager trout]

Metallic Hawaiian

[fiery copper]

Metallic Natator (synonym for swimmer apparently)

[ember storm]

what

[chrome fog]

Surfs up

[eager trout]

I'm out of surfer synonyms

[ember storm]

People surf in other places

[chrome fog]

Steely Hawk

[coral kiln]

Only kids care about such things tbh

[jagged badge]

Like Shiverpool

[ember storm]

I was thinking Alaska

[fiery copper]

Tungsten-y Hawk Pro Skater 3

[eager trout]

About what? Arguments not getting anywhere? I've been in my fair share of arguments and I can confirm nothing good comes out of them.

[chrome fog]

Move on and block

[jagged badge]

It’s not difficult to follow the rules and simply just respect pronouns

[chrome fog]

Do not engage with them

[jagged badge]

Regardless of whether it’s a real person’s or a fictional character’s

[chrome fog]

Any other questions regarding lore

[fiery copper]

They make me feel better about myself but yea imma stop engaging

[coral kiln]

Comply or else

[jagged badge]

Because Nimbus represents enby people and trans people as a whole. And it communicates to said groups that you don’t care, and don’t respect them

[coral kiln]

Wat

[eager trout]

But aren't you-?

[chrome fog]

Eris they’re purposefully enraging you, please ignore them

Anyways

Star, Eevee, any questions come to mind?

[coral kiln]

Thats wild.

[fiery copper]

Pre-golden age earth had holograms serving pizza, and it is my firm belief that this means the Domino's Hatsune Miku collab is not only canon, but STILL GOING when the traveler is discovered.

[ember storm]

oh my god you’re supposed to adhere to the rules of the discord server you’re in???

[fiery copper]

By comparison I mean

[ember storm]

how can this be

[jagged badge]

Stop trying to cause issues over this

[coral kiln]

U are

[chrome fog]

Real

But also where is the hologram pizza thing from?

[ember storm]

I hope the lead lined Garfield mugs survived the collapse

[eager trout]

Ah yes, hologram pizza

[calm granite]

Tempers appear to be running high. I advise blocking people if you don't want to interact with them, for both sides of this argument.

[chrome fog]

We got noodles, but also pineapples have been lost to time

[eager trout]

Exos' favorite food

[devout nimbus]

If you try to start 1 more argument about pronouns then you will be warned

[ember storm]

They just eat normal food

they’re not Plankton from SpongeBob

[coral kiln]

👍

[chrome fog]

No wait it’d be ramen

Following after Cayde constantly eating spicy ramen

[ember storm]

I prefer spaghetti

[eager trout]

Why does everyone (in-universe) refer to the Traveler differently?

[ember storm]

In what way

[chrome fog]

As in her different titles?

[jagged badge]

Because no one was ever told what the Traveler is actually called. So they all came up with different names for it independently

[coral kiln]

Poor Failsafe. Bungie forgot

[ember storm]

humanity calls the traveler that specifically because of basketball

[ember storm]

this is not a joke

[jagged badge]

Eliksni called it the Great Machine as they already revered machines and the Traveler does look, in part, mechanical in some way

[chrome fog]

Traveler itself was due to it traveling across the Sol System and terrafo- no are you serious

[ember storm]

yes

the mars crew that made first contact were discussing what to do back on their ship

[chrome fog]

No fucking way Traveler ballin

[ember storm]

while playing basketball

[eager trout]

Wait, better question, why do most people I've seen call the Traveler a "her"?

[eager trout]

More like Traveler ball

[coral kiln]

Traveler calls herself a her

Literally

[jagged badge]

The Traveler/Gardener has been referred to as such and represents itself in feminine forms too

[chrome fog]

She commonly presents herself as feminine when she does present herself in the various visions she appears to individuals in

[jagged badge]

Such as Alpha Lupi

[eager trout]

Ok, time to cook

[ember storm]

Jesse?

[chrome fog]

I’m gonna guess and think you’re connecting the Traveler to the Gardener in Unveiling

[chrome fog]

OH

That’s funny

Genshin

[eager trout]

No

[ember storm]

jedse where is my wormspore

[eager trout]

No

[chrome fog]

Starrail?

[eager trout]

Yes

[chrome fog]

Bungo bingo

But also in fairness, Genshin’s mc is also called Traveler

[eager trout]

I just had a thought I cannot say without the risk of getting banned

[coral kiln]

Sucks