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chrome fog
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Then he has no reason to be butt hurt other than someone pointing out he was being a bit inconsiderate

trim grotto
empty fern
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Jesus

chrome fog
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Oh wait, can you post the sticker with the fingies

empty fern
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Nitro users angey

chrome fog
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Then don't protest when we give you a definative answer you entitled toddler

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Anyways Imma finish some stuff before the Sunday due date, unless Mael posts the Devrim-fingie sticker

fresh zephyr
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thats the, having conversation part

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im having fun

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youre the one tripping

empty fern
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Just, block eachother I guess? Iā€™ll ask a lord question in here tomorrow or something

fresh zephyr
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when we assume other peoples intentions, we often reveal our own

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but whats with this

empty fern
# fresh zephyr

Pyramid ship going to a planet ?
Or Rasputin hologram of the sentence above

fresh zephyr
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this

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no point in shooting at them with our literal black hole gun since humanity got easily clapped when they tried

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ana still tried

empty fern
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Usually

dim minnow
# fresh zephyr

Rasputin tried using Warsats against a Pyramid in Arrivals, didn't work

fresh zephyr
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sacrificed rasputin for no reason?

empty fern
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No that was for xivu

fresh zephyr
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her voice actress is way too sick to just be in a season

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its deserving of its own expansion

empty fern
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Final shape is dropping a new season format called (episodes) and the third one is probably xivu
(Heresy)

fresh zephyr
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as long as it looks cool, sounds cool and lets me do cool shit, i can fuck with it

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i like me good writing, i dont care what it is

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when its earned, i revel in it

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A Hollow Man Leading Others to Die For a Silent God

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fucking what

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i wanted to hear it again

trim grotto
eager trout
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Who would?

fresh zephyr
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i wouldve liked if we got pocket infinity back

empty fern
fresh zephyr
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like when your mom buys that movie you like but the bootleg version from the gas station

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Hereafter is all i want tbh

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the sound design, automatically made it my top 3 guns in all destiny

empty fern
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Wait

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Have you played d1?

fresh zephyr
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you know those moments playing, where you just, subconsciously smile

empty fern
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Ok

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But have you played current destiny? After all the sunset and the age of triumph

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No
Destiny 1

fresh zephyr
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oh

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current d1

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shit like last year, ps3 got busted

empty fern
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I see

chrome fog
empty fern
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Ok

fresh zephyr
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wait why

empty fern
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Itā€™s not lore discussion

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Come on

chrome fog
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Thank you Nexus

fresh zephyr
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this mofo aint a mod, i can just ignore em

empty fern
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No

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Maybe

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But mods will infact enforce that, so

chrome fog
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Does it need to escalate to mod intervention if users can just follow the channel discussion guidelines?

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But if you'd like to have a mod enlighten you as to what the rules are for lore discussion, we can do that

fresh zephyr
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cool with me, theyre not douchebags about it

chrome fog
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@night rock

meager belfry
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How many worm gods are left

fresh zephyr
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so i actually listen to the mods

chrome fog
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@reef salmon

meager belfry
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I know Xol is gone but what of the rest?

chrome fog
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Xita's dead too, uh Akka too

empty fern
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Wait no witch killed that one

chrome fog
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SO that's about like 4 left maybe?

empty fern
reef salmon
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@fresh zephyr Please keep the chat related to lore discussion and refrain from posting any non lore related media please

fresh zephyr
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say no more

chrome fog
empty fern
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Dkay in lore chat? Impossible (you canā€™t leave until you give destiny fact)

empty fern
chrome fog
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Not really

reef salmon
empty fern
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Unknown?

meager belfry
reef salmon
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(this is a joke I leave now ping me if anymore issues happen yall)

empty fern
chrome fog
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fresh zephyr
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now we know whos been snitching on all our crota cheeses

meager belfry
reef salmon
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Alright lets drop it and move on please

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no need to derail the chat again

chrome fog
# meager belfry Ohh. Thanks

We have:
Xita, Mother Worm (deceased/indefinite slumber)
Akka, Worm of Secrets (deceased, killed by Oryx to gain audience with The Deep aka the Witness, part of husk was made into the Dreadnaught)
Eir, Keeper of Order (alive)
Ur, the Ever-Hunger (alive)
Xol, Will of the Thousands (turned into Whisper of the Worm)
Yul, the Honest Worm (alive, tried eating Xol before Xol escaped)

empty fern
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Yul fact I didnā€™t know damn

meager belfry
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Which I assume is one of the three hive gods

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I mean thats what I got from your description of Xol and Xita being implied to be just sleeping for a period of time

chrome fog
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They are not in anyway actually connected to the Hive Gods - Oryx, Savathun, or Xivu Arath - save for their deal to put Worms in all the Hive and occassional interaction such as Yul telling Oryx to get on the Vex incursion into his Throneworld after Crota cut an opening for them to get through (via Savathun playing him like a fiddle)

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Xol has cheesed the system in maintaining a part in the cycle of violence which the Sword Logic focuses on via being a tool for us to use only to kill

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The lore entry itself elaborates his plan:
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/whisper-of-the-worm

Whisper of the Worm ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

A Guardian's power makes a rich feeding ground. Do not be revolted. There are parasites that may benefit the hostā€¦ teeth sharper than your own.
ā€”
Xol, the Will of Thousands, perished but was not destroyed. Death is a road, death is metamorphosis, the unsacred union between destroyer and destroyed. The might which defeats a god is also the ambros...

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And so now he's stuck in our Guardian's Vault, silently cackling to himself for having gamed the system and not dying to his stronger compatriots

empty fern
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Nuh uh

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Heā€™s being used sometimes

warm gazelle
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Why did the Witness wait until the Traveler is awake and healthy again to return to fight it?

meager belfry
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So Xol can revert back to his worm appearance then by using the sword logic through us

chrome fog
chrome fog
meager belfry
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oh wait i thought it was sentient

chrome fog
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We don't really subscribe to the Sword Logic nor have a way to really process death into Ascendent Power like the Hive do via their worms

chrome fog
# meager belfry oh wait i thought it was sentient

It is, it's just that, he's trying to make it seem like we're playing into his plan of enacting the Sword Logic by using him to eliminate our foes, but also the loretab just reveals everything out in the open. And again, we can't really utilize the Sword Logic in any meaningful way

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Sidenote: lore tabs are kinda sorta probably a result of our Ghosts' ability to use something called Ghost Sight; they can scan something and essentially sus out his history and/or stuff it was present for

meager belfry
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Thanks again

chrome fog
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Kinda like how we used the Relic to view the truth of the Worm Gods' deal with Savathun and how it was her getting conned

chrome fog
# meager belfry Thanks again

Np; carbon guy's really unsavory which is why I was pissed at him, but generally I do like sharing what I know or directing questions to people who know more than me

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Mael, Dova, Eris, and Waltz are all willing to answer questions best to our ability, but mind that we're people too, and sometimes regularly browsing this channel means some of the same questions tend to pop up a lot

meager belfry
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I respect that, learned a great deal of the story and catching up because of you guys

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Cheers

warm gazelle
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Everyone is so nice in Destiny.

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All the Guardians I mean.

willow flax
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certainly not in this server

calm slate
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Zamn

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Whatā€™s wrong with this server

ember storm
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haha

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hah

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no

broken zephyr
fresh zephyr
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gotta follow the rules dammit. so to make it lore relevant, ashir mir always rubbed me the wrong way

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"Spare me your pity, Guardian. I stand before you of sound mind and filled with intellectual fury. What is there to pity?"

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just bitter all the time got old quick

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but then his line "What is there to say? Hunters, the both of them. I hired them for an earlier expedition and we stuck together. Until we didnā€™t." wouldnt have hit the same, but still

trim grotto
empty fern
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That one sunbreaker and crow CATGRIN

trim grotto
warm gazelle
trim grotto
warm gazelle
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Pfft.

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The leaders being nice is a hell of a lot different than my experience with the military.

trim grotto
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Guardians aren't exactly a strict military. There are very few ranks.

grand jungle
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all they power rhulk vs nezarc?

trim grotto
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Can't really say.

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We don't know enough about Nezarec, in particular.

grand jungle
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is it true that felwinter was the strongest warlock?

trim grotto
grand jungle
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ikora still strongest?

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or osris

broken zephyr
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as in current strongest?

grand jungle
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yea

broken zephyr
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well Osiris at current, has lost his light, and is currently learning strand, so he's not the strongest at the moment as far as we know

grand jungle
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doesnt ikora hold the record for highest kills in crucible

trim grotto
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> FIRST 25-MATCHĀ CRUCIBLEĀ WINNING STREAK RECORDED. RELATED:Ā REY, I.```
broken zephyr
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she held the highest winning streak iirc

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yeah

grand jungle
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lets goo shes a beast

broken zephyr
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yeah, right now she'd be the strongest Warlock

grand jungle
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does drifter hv a ghost i cant remember

trim grotto
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Yes.

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He's a Lightbearer.

grand jungle
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do we know the name

broken zephyr
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He don't trust it though

trim grotto
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He didn't name it.

grand jungle
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oh realy?

broken zephyr
grand jungle
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is the only lightbearer to not trust they ghost?

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is he"

broken zephyr
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no, a good sum of characters don't

trim grotto
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Not the only one, but there aren't many.

grand jungle
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hv we seen his ghost?

broken zephyr
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in-game, I don't think so

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not that I remember at least

grand jungle
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dang

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what bout saints?

broken zephyr
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nah, Geppetto hasn't made an appearance either

grand jungle
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love that name xd

broken zephyr
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she definitely has a unique one lol

grand jungle
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sorry bout all these questions

broken zephyr
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I mean, nah it's all good lol

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The channel was made for discussions like this

grand jungle
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could i ask whats ikoras ghost name

broken zephyr
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uh it's a funky one that I don't know how to spell

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one sec

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Ophiuchus

grand jungle
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yup sounds like a ghost name she would hv XD

broken zephyr
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definitely lmao

grand jungle
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oh zalavas ghost name is targe thats cool

trim grotto
empty fern
grand jungle
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dont saint hate saladin n shaxx?

empty fern
trim grotto
trim grotto
broken zephyr
# empty fern Who made shaxx have trouble sitting again? (Not exact like but very very similar...

'twas Ikora Rey

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/will-of-crota-heroic

Will of Crota (Heroic) ā€” Transcript ā€” Ishtar Collective

Cayde-6: Remember Omnigul? Hive General with the lovely voice? She's back.
Ikora Rey: Vanguard scouts report she's undone her death.
Cayde-6: Undone her death? You make it sound like she pulled her knitting apart.
Ikora Rey: Eris would tell you not to make light of this.
Cayde-6: That's why she's not here.
Ikora Rey: There's no telling wha...

ā–¶ Play video
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FIRETEAM DEFEATS DEVIL SPLICERS AND HIVE

Cayde-6: Guardian, you remind me ofā€¦ well, Ikora, back in her Crucible days.

Ikora Rey: That was a lifetime ago.

Cayde-6: I'm sure Shaxx hasn't forgotten. He still has trouble sitting.

dim minnow
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POV: Shaxx when he fought Ikora

quiet turret
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hey i just realised that geometry dash has both the destiny ghost and engram; what implications does this have for the wider destiny universe?

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@trim grotto do you know?

full zephyr
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Zavala is a pro gd streamer confirmed?

next bobcat
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Whether we wanted to or not, weā€™ve stepped into a FIRE IN THE HOLE with the cabal on mars.

trim grotto
quiet turret
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?

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how

trim grotto
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I don't know what you expect me to say to that

trim grotto
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Which is fine until you have to try and "prove" that to somebody who takes things very literally

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also good sourcing FingerGuns

warm gazelle
broken zephyr
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An Exo who was the Hunter Vanguard before he got killed ā€œpermanentlyā€ in the Prison of Elders

warm gazelle
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Oh is there supposed to a representative from every class in the Vanguard?

broken zephyr
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yes

warm gazelle
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They just haven't replaced him yet.

broken zephyr
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Zavala is the Titan Vanguard
Ikora the Warlock

broken zephyr
warm gazelle
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i nominate the gunslinger in my last crucible match who got like 80% of his team's kills

broken zephyr
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Thereā€™s this ongoing thing where Caydeā€™s Vanguard Dare says that if the one who kills him was a Hunter theyā€™d have to take his place as the Hunter Vanguard, and well, he died to Uldren Sov who got reborn as Crow (who is a hunter), so technically he should/shouldnā€™t take up being the Hunter vanguard

errant olive
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ultimate uno reverse card

broken zephyr
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Plot twist of the century trollface

warm gazelle
errant olive
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where is the lore on doghives

warm gazelle
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idk, none of my dogs have ever had hives

trim grotto
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this reads like a meme but it's from the actual writer
so
take from that as you will

trim grotto
errant olive
# trim grotto

place this in the d1 tower or smth and have people pet it for "sweet boy protocol"

warm gazelle
trim grotto
warm gazelle
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my problem with Crow becoming the hunter vanguard is he has a full head of hair

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when baldness is clearly a prerequisite

errant olive
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I mean andal brask (hunter vanguard before Cayde-6) had hair

warm gazelle
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maybe if he shaves all that off he can get in

errant olive
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new hunter dare

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where can i go to find lore on aisha and shayura's fireteam

trim grotto
warm gazelle
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clearly ikora shaves to meet the new baldness requirement

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also i'm pretty sure osiris is bald

trim grotto
trim grotto
errant olive
warm gazelle
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hey no one said anything about facial hair

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so long as that dome is smooth, we good

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crow gonna have to lose some feathers

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actually, can awoken even grow facial hair?

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never seen one rocking any

trim grotto
warm gazelle
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bruh

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that is a disney villain

trim grotto
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The Dead Orbit are... notoriously edgy.

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Well, doomer.

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That said, Dead Orbit were the most sane and people oriented of the Consensus Factions, so.

warm gazelle
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oh I think I remember those guys from Destiny 1

trim grotto
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Correctamundo

warm gazelle
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I didn't work with them, I joined up with uhhhhhh

trim grotto
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Future War Cult or New Monarchy

warm gazelle
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New Monarchy

trim grotto
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Ahh, the facist coup staging monarchists

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They have excellent fashion choices and terrible ideology

warm gazelle
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the drip was impeccable ngl

trim grotto
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I don't respect them as a faction. But you're not wrong at all.

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They knew how to look good.

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Past tense, of course. Now they're... probably dead, I dunno. Not our problem anymore.

errant olive
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why were these three factions the most prominent

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they all sound insane

trim grotto
# errant olive why were these three factions the most prominent 

In the wake of the Iron Lords' untimely deaths and the chaos that threatened to topple the fledging City from within, the one known as the Speaker made his bid for power. To create the illusion of democracy, the Speaker established the Consensus, an oligarchical body of representatives from the City's leading political factions and the three Guardian classes. For the Titans: Saint-14, the right hand of the Speaker. For the Hunters: Tallulah Fairwind, first in a long line of ever-changing representatives. And for the Warlocks, the already-legendary warrior who had studied with Felwinter and Nirwen themselves: Osiris.``` - mind the bias here; Brother Vance worships Osiris and hates the Speaker and City for banishing Osiris. Nevertheless, the summary is accurate enough.
```"We will hear from each of the factions," I say, ignoring Osiris. Some decision is better than no decision. "Give them the opportunity to plead their case, save for those who have resorted to outright violence."

"Well, then we've got to get rid of Echelon South, for one," Tallulah lists, counting on her fingers. "And those Binary Star idiots, too. Trinary? Binary? Whatever. Anyway, there are plenty of fingers pointed at this new group, too. Monarchy something."

"If anyone can prove the rumors, we exile their leaders," I say, holding up my hand. "The factions that stay will argue their case. Of those that have a valuable viewpoint to bring to the governance of the City, we create a council."

"This sets a dangerous precedent, Speaker," Osiris says. We will have this argument again later, I can already tell. "I hope you're prepared to walk this slope."

We vote. Osiris is the only no. Then, after an inquiry into the violence, we form the Consensus.```

Originally, there was the Dead Orbit, New Monarchy, and Concordat.
Dead Orbit, to put it simply, wished to leave Earth, Sol, and the Traveler. To abandon our home and wander the stars, abandoning the pain we've endured. It's hardly unreasonable, and indeed became further justified the longer we stayed on Earth. The Collapse, Dark Ages, Eliksni, Cabal... the Great Disaster, the arrival of Oryx...
In many ways, Dead Orbit were the ones who cared most for the people, if the least for our home.

New Monarchy... well, wanted one leader. To quote their own lore tab... ```The New Monarchy rose from the ashes of the Faction Wars with a simple, inclusive guiding tenet: "Together we will rise."

Leery of the fragile state of the City's politics, the New Monarchy maintains a watchful eye on the Speaker, the Consensus, and the Vanguard, seeking the leadership that will properly reign over the City and return our civilization to its Golden Age splendor. If that leadership cannot be found, then it must be created.```
In theory, it'd create a single unified government and leadership around which humanity could rally. In reality, they were fascist, oppressive, and money hungry.

The Concordat attempted a coup and were expelled many years ago, leading to the enstatement of the Future War Cult.
```"There is the War Cult."

"Too secretive. Have you ever tried to talk to one of their 'soldiers'? Like a child. Answering questions with questions."

"They are dedicated to the war."

"Which one?"

"Good question."

"Zavala?"

"They seem focused. Strong. More interesting than worrisome."

"Let's take it to a vote. All in favor of the ascension of the Future War Cult?"

"Unanimous? Good. We'll grant the Future War Cult access to the Tower and a seat among us. Ghost, please offer the Speaker this proposal."```
They weren't insane at the time, just... quirky. The Device was a concern but they were focused on war so as to protect us. Given the time period, it wasn't unjustified.
winter aspen
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Btw it just me or the veil look small?

chrome fog
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ĀÆ_(惄)_/ĀÆ

winter aspen
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I mean before calus, it looks big. But when reached calus, it looks a bit small

chrome fog
# fresh zephyr just bitter all the time got old quick

In fairness he is - or was - constantly dealing with the discomfort of slowly being converted into a Vex; this entry illustrates what itā€™s doing to his body, which isā€¦ very discomforting just to read
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/gensym-scribe#asher-mir

Gensym Scribe ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

ā€”
Asher Mir stands looking at himself in a mirror. He is shirtless. With the hand that still feels, he reaches to the shoulder that doesn't feel. He taps his fingernails against the rigid metal there, then taps his way to his clavicle. The boundary between metal and skin is neither uniform nor tidy: Metal gives way to a sheath of hard, keratiniz...

chrome fog
chrome fog
# quiet turret hey i just realised that geometry dash has both the destiny ghost and engram; wh...

Actually, it should have fairly little impact on our current Destiny universe, though perhaps canonically it is part of the greater Paraverse that Bungie has written as their version of the Multiverse; if you recognize that term, thatā€™s because yes, Dares of Eternity pulls enemies and rewards from different universes in the Paraverse. A new Crota for every time you roll Hive for the final encounter, the halves of a covenant plasma blade being converted into legendary swords, armor cosmetics based on the Marathon universe, all pulled from versions of their original universe

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I guess the second key thing about Dares is that it itself insulates its events from those of the main story, so while you do participate in it canonically, it doesnā€™t have any lore impact

ember storm
blazing wasp
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faceist

errant olive
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fasciaist

shadow crypt
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face

chrome fog
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facsimile

broken zephyr
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faculty

errant olive
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fish

fresh zephyr
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it doesnt mean raises the question

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everyone just thinks it does

chrome fog
chrome fog
# fresh zephyr wanna feel even better? no one knows theyve been using "begs the question" the w...

From cursory look up, "begging the question" is used to describe a conclusion or statement which regards a different question, whereas "raising the question" is as it is presumed to be utilized as: asking the proper question which should be answered rather than the initial train of thought. In seeing something "beg a question", it summarily leads into "raising" the correct question and line of thought; they lead to the same correction of course regardless of utilization. Also why bring this up

fresh zephyr
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take it down a couple pegs

chrome fog
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Politely, no! FLOOF

fast tapir
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damn that was pretty polite

chrome fog
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Anyways, I await lore questions from lurkers and newcomers alike

loud trench
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do exo resets entail memory loss, like Banshee-44?

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(you get the idea)

trim grotto
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Resets come with an intentional memory wipe. Excessive resets can create lasting damage to an Exomind. Banshee-44 is a bit of a special case, however.

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Banshee-44... Well, I could answer this, or I could provide the lore book that answers it. You also earn this during the Lost Lament quest from Beyond Light.

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-core-terminus-mars

In the meantime, listen to the delightful voice of the Concierge explain the purpose and concerns behind resets.

Ghost Scan: Core Terminus, Mars ā€” Transcript ā€” Ishtar Collective

Concierge AI: The Human mind in a mechanical body. We are at the cusp of major breakthroughs in making this a reality. Would you like to know more?
Concierge AI: Early experiments in Exo science managed to encode the Human consciousness into a form that could be processed digitally. At the time, we believed that was the big hurdle to overcome in...

ā–¶ Play video
loud trench
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2000 times

chrome fog
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Oh, Echo

trim grotto
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Ah, ECHO
Yes, they, um
They weren't doing so well

chrome fog
trim grotto
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Thunder, one final time. The storm gives life, but never came to take.

He slips from rot shackles. Worn with age. Weary, they snap at slightest motion. Untold rotations pass without movement. Freedom?

He matures questions. A hunger wells up within him.

He travels the station. From Tomb Bay, to the Mind Shell, to the Sealed Space. In dark, and in light.

The Mind Shell teaches Him the new roads. Teaches Him the majesty of the Rings. Teaches him the key.```
This is an excerpt of his thought process.
chrome fog
# loud trench do exo resets entail memory loss, like Banshee-44?

Outside of these outliers, Exo resets are more akin to uploading to an earlier save with an autosave system enabled; for some pieces, yes, reseting a normal exo will entail loss of some memory but there should be a sufficient amount updated that they can resume their tasks

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However, for Exo guardians, you cannot so easily just reset them and expect the same individual, since they're not technically connected back into the system in their time being Risen

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For example, Cayde-6

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We could bring him back as Cayde-7, but he would only have memory up until the original mortal Cayde-6 died, he would have none of the memories made as a Guardian

trim grotto
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Nor would he be a Guardian.

loud trench
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so if you were to bring a guardian exo back, they would exist as their before-guardian self

ember storm
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it wouldnā€™t even be their proper exo self

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it would be the copy taken from the human being with zero memory whatsoever

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basically just a new version completely

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trim grotto
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If we had access to their mindscan and uploaded it to a new Exobody, then they'd be as if they we just reset them or as if they were freshly uploaded. No memory, like any other reset.

trim grotto
ember storm
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Iā€™m more surprised that Lance, Gina, and Nathan for D1

chrome fog
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I think

ember storm
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Bill Nighy too

chrome fog
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Or I could be wrong and missed something saying otherwise (the exo trial simulation or DSC)

loud trench
warm gazelle
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if by "modern" you mean the past 15 years and "MW" you mean Call of Duty as a whole, yeah that's def true

chrome fog
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The Nikki Minaj reveal from a while back felt so surreal, but also like yeah, relatively young celebrities rn would have been part of the generation to play those games and therefore pursue a collab

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Still jarring tho, and super funny

warm gazelle
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they've been pushing celebrities into all their marketing since Black Ops 1

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remember Kobe Bryant and Jimmy Kimmel in trailers for BO1

chrome fog
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Jeez that's funny

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But also yea that's the gist of Exo resets, they sorta have memory loss, though from records prior to the Collapse it seems like there was some sort of update system to prevent issues with remembering to do their jobs

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And also Exo resets are not a viable way to return a guardian who has died a Final Death

cunning stirrup
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can ikora grow hair but chooses to shave it

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I mean, she has hair so

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Itā€™s a buzzcut

cunning stirrup
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my graphics settings must be too low

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or i havent looked closely enough

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cunning stirrup
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oh wow

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it fits her well

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Yeah

warm gazelle
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bruh that aspect ratio

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Do most Ghosts have a name?

eager trout
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I guess it's the number one rule of non-human companions in games and movies: every other one of the same species has a name except the main one

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Either they choose their own, are named by their Guardian or pick up a name/nickname from others

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Well...

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However, Tyra Karnā€™s Ghost isnā€™t named

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Well see that's the thing

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A lot of Ghosts don't consider that they've got a "real" name until their Chosen names them
Hence why Tyra's Ghost is still called Ghost
Because she wants him to name himself

warm gazelle
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Ah I see

trim grotto
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It's why Glint is... Well, Glint, instead of still being Pulled Pork

warm gazelle
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in most movies the protagonist's dog has a name

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Though some Ghosts like Peach probably don't care as much

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I think it's a bit of both.

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Peach probably doesn't give a shit because Peach is a strong independent Ghost who don't need no Chosen
But most Ghosts feel the pull and need to find their Chosen, and the name thing is part of the bonding process

warm gazelle
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we should get to name our ghost

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We don't name Ghost for the same reason we're not named. It's left open for self insert.

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I'm not saying I agree with this, but that's what it is.

warm gazelle
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naming our ghost would be a self insert

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not naming our ghost is nothing

chrome fog
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Thereā€™s also a significant number of Ghosts titled ā€œGhost of [Risenā€™s name]ā€, in that a number of Guardians havenā€™t named them yet

trim grotto
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Yeah there are a decent few who aren't named

chrome fog
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Even besides Tyra Karn

chrome fog
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Ghost Stories has a good number of examples

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Iā€™m gonna name my ghost wolfy OHyeSs

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Heā€™d still ultimately get called Ghost

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And then there's some who should have remained unnamed
Like the Ghost of Rezyl Azzir, turned Dredgen Yor... his Ghost... called Vincent.

Vincent.

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Which is why itā€™s left up to your imagination if you wanna name them

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There doesnā€™t need to be an in-game thing for it

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Thereā€™s no point

chrome fog
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Didi is a good one

empty fern
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Oh god not this one

warm gazelle
chrome fog
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Which is a wild name

empty fern
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Wonder if drifter has a name for witness yet

warm gazelle
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how tf do guardians even name themselves

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they just come up with some random shit

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Well, Exo remember their names.

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And numbers.

empty fern
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Companions help with others I guess

chrome fog
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Otherwise... yeah, they just name themselves eventually. Or get given names. It's whatever they want.

empty fern
warm gazelle
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they have no memories, right? they don't know anything about their life before they were resurrected

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Exo are a minor exception, but yes.

warm gazelle
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imagine someone got resurrected next to a bathroom sign, and so named themselves bathroom

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warm gazelle
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having no clue what a bathroom is

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Well, they lose their episodic memory. They know how to live and what things are.

empty fern
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Heh
Orin

chrome fog
warm gazelle
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they also all know how to speak english

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warm gazelle
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very convenient ig

chrome fog
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Eh

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Depending on your language settings you can argue they know any language conveniently

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trim grotto
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And when they wake up, they're hit with... what did Cayde call it...

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Dyno mentioned that recently I think

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Oh yeah Caydeā€™s account of his first Rez!

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On Ishtar

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so that would make sense ig

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"BOOM! I wake up. Groggy. Confused. Hungover. It's the same for us all, so that initial shock's nothing new. Sundance is in my face, and I'm freaking out. My brain works, but I don't remember a thing 'cept that I seem to be a functioning life formā€”I'm human, I'm a man. And then my mind starts reeling a thousand miles a minute. BOOM-BOOM-BOOM. Like I'm downloading the 'Idiot's Guide to Basic Human Existence.' Cool. Great. Still can't remember anything. And I sure can't wrap my head around the talking, floating magic robot orb-thing jabbering in my face. I'm freaked. So, I freaked. Smacked her to the ground. Hardā€¦ And I ran.

warm gazelle
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the traveler teaches us the birds and the bees šŸ’€

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Letā€™s not go there

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Rule 3 and all

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In that case, anyway.

chrome fog
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Ah dang, I was gonna go ā€œBOOM! Found it at the bottom of his category on Ishtarā€

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'Idiot's Guide to Basic Human Existence.'

hmmmmm i could use one of these

trim grotto
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Step one
Stop eating wires

low gyro
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but i need my daily dose of copper

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You know who else ate copper?

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Cayde-6

low gyro
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i guess he would prolly do that just to find out what electricity tastes like

warm gazelle
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is there a timeline for destiny to look at

trim grotto
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Gameplay wise or lore wise?

warm gazelle
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like much time there was between the Great Disaster and Twilight Gap

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or between the end of destiny 1 and the start of 2

trim grotto
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Well, yes and no.
Hang on, let me turn my computer on, I've just arrived home.

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# warm gazelle like much time there was between the Great Disaster and Twilight Gap

When it comes to the Destiny timeline, we often have enough information to place an event in a particular period of time, and often in an order. But Destiny very rarely gives us actual hard dates. We do not know the current year, for example. We don't know how long the Golden Age was, nor the Dark Age, and the specific point historians wish to use as the beginning of the City Age isn't even firmly established - albeit in my experience, most use the victory of Six Fronts.

What we do know is that the Great Disaster was "centuries" ago, according to Eris Morn, and that Twilight Gap was "decades" ago.

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damn

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my kingdom for a sci fi universe that has concrete numbers for things

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that would be helpful, thanks

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# warm gazelle or between the end of destiny 1 and the start of 2

As for this, not much. Time in Destiny is relatively 1/1 with real time. For example, we have a quote giving us "less than a decade of service".
ā€œCulpable, yes. You didnā€™t let me finish. We lost Cayde on a random Tuesday. And you all just took that Guardianā€™s word for it? One whoā€™s had less than a decade of service?ā€ Aunor turned, bathed in the layered light of the holograms. Arc energy hummed in the air around her. The holograms flickered and distorted. ā€œYou didnā€™t think to ask whether it was a lie? You didnā€™t think it was important to pore over this footage, to double-check every possible angleā€”ā€œ

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There are some minor exceptions such as the Red War going on for months, but there are other ways to explain that.

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can the Ahamkara be classified as skin walkers

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I mean

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I guess they're a bit beyond that

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With the whole wish magic stuff

rich smelt
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dragon walker

sick yew
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Lmao

rich smelt
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anyways, back to being horrified while listening to Skinwalker storys
šŸ‘‹

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traveler/ghosts are basically necromancers

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# rich smelt can the Ahamkara be classified as skin walkers

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/tyranny-of-heaven

Tyranny of Heaven ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

It was She that inspired me to imagine your destruction, o jailer mine.
ā€”
Tallulah Fairwind smoothed the felt of the table with one hand, idly playing with her chips with the other. Across the table, Caliban-8 wore a green dealer's cap and looked stricken.
The Ahamkara looked like somebody's kindly old grandpa just now. And it could play a mean ...

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Hehe

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Best loretab

rich smelt
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i forgot about that one

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las vagas dragon walker

sick yew
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Necromancy is more akin to what Nokris or Fikrul does

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# eager trout Cayde-6

Is haha funny, but also the šŸ¤“ in my brain has to clarify that Exos do have to eat and taste regular food so as to not make their subconscious commit alt+f4

warm gazelle
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is there a lore reason why this motherfucker is 10000000x harder than every other boss I've fought combined

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blazing wasp
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Hes just a beefy man

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There's a gameplay reason

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Namely your... loadout

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But no lore reason

sick yew
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I mean this is a particularly strong fella imma be real

warm gazelle
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What should I change it to?

blazing wasp
blazing wasp
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Secondly, try a better linear fusion rifle

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Without banner of war, strand isn't particularly good here

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Last I checked ignition bypasses explosion resistance so solar's p good

warm gazelle
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I've been using Strand to grapple around because I just get oneshot by the thing's grab attack in the last phase otherwise

blazing wasp
warm gazelle
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I don't own any linear fusion rifles though, so I'll go grab one.

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At that point

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Lfg for help.

winter aspen
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warm gazelle
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I bought Sleeper Simulant and changed to Solar and that helped a lot

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most of my deaths are from getting knocked over the edge it was super fucking annoying

winter aspen
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is there any lore behind any exotic ornament?

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like how omolon have conditional ornament?

ember storm
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Ornaments are never canon and are only ever references or purely cosmetic with zero context

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like turning Necrochasm into siva or Lament into a hive sword

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Well, Iā€™d say itā€™s probably a case by case basis whether an ornament could be canon or not

shadow crypt
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was this the traveler directly speaking to us?

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Through the voices of others, yes.

shadow crypt
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Who are the others?

trim grotto
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Depends on the line in question.

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That one would be the Speaker.

shadow crypt
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So every time the traveler has spoken to us it has spoke through the voice of others?

trim grotto
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It has very rarely spoken to us. It usually communicates by visions. And a Hawk of Light, once.

shadow crypt
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in the hawkmoon mission?

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Indeed

shadow crypt
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I just noticed this but thatā€™s the same bird

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In one of the other trailers

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I think

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I could be wrong

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Bad shot but i think it might be the same bird

trim grotto
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That was one of the aforementioned visions
But yes, the familiarity would be intentional

shadow crypt
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Has the traveler spoken to us after the hawkmoon mission in any way?

trim grotto
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Hmm
After...
Not off the top of my head but I'm not in a position to double check right now

dapper dawn
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Wellā€¦. waitā€¦. hold on a second!

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Idk, it could be either Io or Mars.

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They are incredibly similar

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Both cradles are located in a crater or basin, Mars did have water at one point during the terraforming process. Io seems to have a liquid near the cradle.

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cradles are just things that happen when the traveler does the big life beam

eager trout
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They need to make every location playable in Destiny 2.

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And imagine the file size if they did

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If they were to bring back the entirety of the vaulted Planetary, the Reef, the campaigns for Red War, Curse of Osiris, The Warmind, Forsaken, all previous seasonal locations and activities in addition to eveything currently in game, do you know how long the download time would be even if optimized?

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# dapper dawn

And yes, that's correct. You can see the Lure above it. And you can see it in game too, of course.

Interestingly, we knew there was a Mars Cradle since the days of D1. However, the location of this Cradle does not match up with the location stated in dialogue back in D1. This could be a retcon/inconsistency, there could be more than one Cradle, or it could be due to something akin to the Glykon, which had rooms and hallways shuffled at random during its time within the Mars anomaly.

eager trout
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Cayde's death hurts more when you realise he probably wouldn't have died if he hadn't been betrayed.

chrome fog
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... what?

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Cayde died being too cocksure and diving into danger

eager trout
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He fought an entire prison

chrome fog
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Literally he rode the security center down into the lower levels before waiting for us to back him up

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Yet we haven't died our Final Death yet

eager trout
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But if Uldren or whatever his name was hadn't killed him, we and the others would probably have arrived in time to help.

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He was cooked once his ghost was shot

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Uldren wasnā€™t even present at that point

chrome fog
shadow warren
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Maybe if he had a different loadout on

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He was shot by another Guardian

chrome fog
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Uldren was not a Guardian

shadow warren
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The barons would have killed him if uldren didnā€™t

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Once his ghost was shot it was basically over

chrome fog
shadow warren
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But ig yeah that whole sequence of events was some sort of betrayal

eager trout
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Still, wasn't Uldren supposed to be an ally or did he just appear out of nowhere?

shadow warren
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Uldren was basically brainwashed though

chrome fog
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Uldren was basically insane to the point he had to be held in the Prison of Elders, not to mention being manipulated by Riven

shadow warren
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Ig variks did betray us in a way but I forget the exact reason

chrome fog
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Gimme a minute, finishing this class

shadow warren
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He let the prisoners out didnā€™t he

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Yeah

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Give me 5 minutes

shadow warren
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No

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MLA format summary due in 2 minutes or ban

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Do i see mod aboose

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600 word minimum

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Yes

eager trout
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Tf you gonna do about it

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No lol

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One of the prisoners shot his ghost

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I'm going to write a strongly worded email

shadow warren
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Please do

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Iā€™ll be sure to delete it when it comes in

wheat flower
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:(

eager trout
chrome fog
shadow warren
chrome fog
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That was all in the opening mission of Forsaken

shadow warren
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Actually

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Does our ghost have to be out to heal us?

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Why did he pull out his ghost lol

wheat flower
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Ah so gameplay thing

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I see

wheat flower
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We don't know the specific reason for it but ghost cannot heal you in it's ethereal?? form

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Disembodied form

eager trout
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Plot reasons

shadow warren
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Bionicle text wall incoming

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# eager trout Still, wasn't Uldren supposed to be an ally or did he just appear out of nowhere...

Uldren Sov was the younger brother of Mara Sov, and had spent a significant time scouting the Black Garden with one Joylon; sometime after that, he was also part of the Awoken attack in the Dreadnaught, in which the Awoken Armada was decimated with the weapon on the Dreadnaught, leading Uldren to crash into the Reef. Corruption from the Black Garden and also surviving almost dying - as well as underlying family issues with Mara - drove Uldren insane, which lead to him killing a bunch of Awoken Corsairs on the Reef. He was promptly imprisoned in the Prison of Elders after that.

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Oh

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Text fence ig

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He did not play smart, which is unfortunate

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Iā€™m hoping Eevee knows who Mara Sov is, sheā€™s pretty important to the current seasonal story rn

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Just found out savathun was aā€¦. Deity?? Thought it was a throne area. Anyways, was he on par with the witness?

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Savathuns a deity to the hive

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Thatā€™s only the case because of the witness

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As is hive existence as a whole

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So no not on par with the witness. The witness is probably the most powerful thing in the universe

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And she was the Hive God of Cunning and Lies and shit

shadow warren
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Weā€™ll see how it squares up w the light ig

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Which means that sheā€™s powerful for sure, but mostly just that sheā€™s revered

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how do guardians switch subclasses

fresh zephyr
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like from solar to arc

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for example

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It takes discipline to learn and master though so

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Most Guardians are still learning to wield one element

shadow warren
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Let alone two

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Weā€™re a bit of a prodigy that way in a sense

shadow warren
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Just based on the ones weā€™ve entered anyway

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weā€™ve had two different raids in two different ships

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Look at our Collapse

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The Witness wasnā€™t present at all

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Only Nezarec

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he only needs 1 ship

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Yet the Black Fleet that attacked us razed all our worlds

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Oh I see what ur saying

fresh zephyr
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since just 1 can blow up the solar system, apparently

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Sent us into the Dark Age (and thatā€™s only because SavathĆ»nā€™s actions spared us)

fresh zephyr
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so why does he need 100000000 ships

shadow warren
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Flex

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Disrespect us before we die

fresh zephyr
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more ships than we have planets

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why

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Funny

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I just explained why

fresh zephyr
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my 1 nuclear missile can blow up your house, so imma bring 10 million missiles, for no reason?

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its as if, at some point it was a new alien race

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an impending invasion

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hence, fleet

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then it got scrapped

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when they did show up, we got power ups

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we didnt even lose or get attacked or anything

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we got buffed

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????

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Tf are you talking about

fresh zephyr
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stasis

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I did not contest that part

fresh zephyr
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oh no evil ships, "sup kid, want some popsicles? get in the van"

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..aight

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But the Pyramids fucked Rasputin up and removed entire worlds from our system, leading to the deaths of Asher and Vance and the presumed death of Sloane

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And then they tried to tempt us with dark power that without the intervention of Elsie, would have fucked over Guardians completely

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sucks to be them

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doesnt explain all the other ships are for

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they just sit there, watching the show, full of nothing

eager trout
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Ok, what even is Strand?

fresh zephyr
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oryx invasion was so grandiose

eager trout
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Scientifically, it probably has to do with quantum strings, or maybe what holds reality together, hence why enemies defeated with Strand just break apart into strings.

fresh zephyr
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witness has been all up in the traveler for a whole year

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ships are just there, chilling

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harmless, after 10 years of hyping their threat

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This dimension is called the Weave

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This is why weā€™re able to grapple onto points of essentially thin air

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The Weave creates a cosmic web everywhere

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So we can grapple onto any point in the Weave

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What are they for? If there's no one on them, are they transporting anything useful? Does every pyramid have a disciple in it? If so, why didn't the moon pyramid have a disciple? Did the pyramids encircle the traveler just to scare humanity?

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and that made savathun so much cooler

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but the other ships then

warm gazelle
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savathun is the savior of the human race

fresh zephyr
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why didnt calus get his own ship?

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He did

shadow warren
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He did

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Not a pyramid

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But a ship

fresh zephyr
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thats what im asking, obviously

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Well, it was a Pyramid ship. Just refashioned and reshaped

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To bloat his ego

fresh zephyr
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lol

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Make him feel all special and cool

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Because thatā€™s the sorta guy Calus is

fresh zephyr
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but then he was yelling hopefully witness would see him

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wasnt that the point of making him a disciple

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Wdym?

fresh zephyr
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in the boss fight

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maybe the witness will see me

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thats what he says

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I donā€™t mind the idea of darkness being abstract and neutral like the Light.

chrome fog
fresh zephyr
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but the Witness being an amalgamation of people and the dreaded Pyramid shapes being empty just sucks, a lot

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"fear this, shits scray huh?"

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hell yeah, i feel it

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"its actually this you should fear!"

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its some goofy looking dude

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Calus used to have his own ship too

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the Leviathan

fresh zephyr
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the thing that you cant go to, but you can still see it, just chilling

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go to the moon and its right there, perfectly fine and within flying distance

chrome fog
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then he got the Typhon Imperator

fresh zephyr
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just stay out of his melee range

chrome fog
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We can argue what would make the Witness scary but I doubt anyoneā€™s mind will change

fresh zephyr
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actually seeing him beat the shit outta me

chrome fog
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So you want Senator Armstrong

fresh zephyr
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thatd make him pretty scary if you ask me

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It

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Not him

fresh zephyr
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yeah see when you do that

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i do not fear "its" at all

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personifications make threats scary

chrome fog
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Right

fresh zephyr
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"imma murder why"

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why?

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"cus i like it"

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fucking run

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being able to identify the threat

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no ones actually scared of being alone in the woods

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theyre scared they might not be

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tell me what im supposed to fear, a her? him? alien? what kihd?

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Literally what are you waffling about

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I would give my analysis of the Witness being analogous to nihilism in the modern day and that being framed against the Guardians choosing to keep fighting and keep hope, to give themselves definition for living despite the nihilistic truth of no inherent meaning to existence, but idk if youā€™ll even understand that when pronouns make you struggle

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fresh zephyr
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"it, not him" what do you mean it

chrome fog
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Itā€™s no mortal that can be summed in a gendered identity, it is simply It

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Iā€™m really tired of the way Destiny players just default to he/him for everyone and everything

chrome fog
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Then again this is carbon weā€™re talking to

fresh zephyr
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no shit, so even though i say him, thats not gendering, its just so you know exactly whos being referred to

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"it" the ships are also its

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The Witness isnā€™t a ā€œheā€ so ā€œheā€ does not identify it

chrome fog
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This is a special line of thought I enjoy in an ironic way

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Iā€™m not having this conversation

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but once i say him, boom. obviously i mean the witness, the person that matters

fresh zephyr
chrome fog
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Yea letā€™s leave this here, lest carbon proceed to break rules again

fresh zephyr
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yeah cus youll make sure to snitch

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like a man

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i do fear snitches

chrome fog
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And like, Patar was just in the channel, so like. Use common sense and maybe not break rules when mods are active in a server. How is this an issue for you?

fresh zephyr
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let me worry about that, im a big boy, ill deal with it

chrome fog
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Special moments

fresh zephyr
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out of everyone, you talk shit the most

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in lore channel

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at least do it crucible, thats the rules

chrome fog
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Anyways, Witness is an It. You can read mentions of the Witness by other characters and they use ā€œitā€. And the original question of why there as so many ships has been addressed. Clowns can continue arguing whatā€™s pretty apparent in the game, none of my fault nor anyoneā€™s they canā€™t read.

fresh zephyr
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hes trying to kill humanity

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i dont give a fuck what he is

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other than what i need to kill

chrome fog
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Whatever lets you cope harder

fresh zephyr
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sorry, im pro human, not an alien apologist

chrome fog
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DogKek oh my god this again

fresh zephyr
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"Fear not the alien, the mutant, the heretic"

chrome fog
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Love when gamers- damn bro the Satire is in orbit from how over your head it is

fresh zephyr
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oh the dude that murder billions of humans is offended?

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good

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if i offend the genocidal alien enough youll think itll stop the extinction of our species?

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imma try it, watch me

chrome fog
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Seeing as no opinions have changed in the past discussion, maybe someone should listen to the words ā€œMoving onā€ more often

fresh zephyr
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im more offended all my homies are dead

trim grotto
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Hello friends
What's up in lore today

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Run Mael

chrome fog
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Carbon is being a carbon copy of Future

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So yā€™know, horribly

shadow crypt
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where is Clovis Bray today?

chrome fog
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Giving you exotic catalyst missions

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shadow crypt
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Clovis himself

shadow crypt
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How

chrome fog
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Yeap

trim grotto
trim grotto
shadow crypt
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Yeah I did that

chrome fog
shadow crypt
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I just donā€™t understand

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Is his mind or consciousness in banshee?

trim grotto
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Banshee is Clovis

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Yeah

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Clovis-1 awoke as an Exo, told the Clovis AI to piss off and then spent 42 lives fighting the Vex valiantly

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And on his 43rd reset, asked for his memory of Clovis to be wiped and for his name to be changed to Banshee

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so banshee is Clovis

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but banshee doesnā€™t know it

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The loretab for the Lament exotic is his letter to himself prior to becoming mindscanned and uploaded to his Exo form

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Ah oh yeah

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Was Clovis a good guy or a bad guy?

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Clovis was an awful disgrace of a human being.
But, he also progressed our technological standard by leagues.

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Sexist, amoral, preformed many human experiments resulting in deaths

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Complete egotistical shithead

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Tried to destroy the Traveler by erasing Rasputin's autonomy and taking utter control, and using Rasputin as a weapon

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Severely narcissistic, to the point of scheming a plan to replace the Travelers as humanityā€™s savior

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Wanted to give humanity immortality so that he could live forever and also be remembered forever for it

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Killed his granddaughter Elsie Bray

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Ah ok

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Also

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Watched his son die

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Whatā€™s the deal with the Exo Stranger?

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Is she from another timeline?

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Yes and no

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Sheā€™s Elsie Bray

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Elizabeth?

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But also sheā€™s stuck in a time loop

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Elsie shares our past. Whenever an unspecified, probably Traveler related trigger occurs, she is thrown back to a point in the early/mid City Age. She's been in a loop for an unknown, uncountable time.

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She's seen many variations of the future from that moment onwards

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We are merely one of those branches

warm gazelle
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she gives you a really mid rifle

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That being said, we are further than sheā€™s ever seen now yeah?

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So originally sheā€™s from our timeline

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Yeah

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Thereā€™s no other Elsie Bray we could find or something

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Itā€™s just her

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She has hopped from branch to branch

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Without control

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And sheā€™s the granddaughter of Clovis along with Ana Bray?

warm gazelle
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ah haven't tried it in the crucible yet

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Willa being Wilhelmina

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And Alton being forgotten by everyone

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Are Ana and Elsie cousins or sisters?

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Oh theyā€™re muted?

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chrome fog
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I canā€™t see ā€˜cause I blocked them

chrome fog
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Yea

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Hope he learns why no one wants to discuss with him, and that itā€™s not from some kind of lore superiority

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You've had a fun discussion then have you

chrome fog
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Ye, very wordy

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Imagine reciting the motto of the Inquisition, as if it isnā€™t apparent they are a satirical take upon the original Inquisition

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ā€œFear not the heretic, the mutant, the alienā€ but fear some damn accountability, exterminatus is a meme for a reason

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Kuang Zahn may have communed with the Witness

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Whereā€™s he from in the lore?

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Jersey

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ember storm
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basically the same thing in practice

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Ah ok

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I remember that theory of the Witness speaking through the K1 Anomaly floating for a bit

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Did the Guardian ever cross paths with Clovis Bray?

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Like a face to face interaction or something like that

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Well, there's the interaction with Clovis in his giant head AI form in Beyond Light's Campaign, as for him as a physical person, I don't think so

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I keep forgetting Banshee was Clovis

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Why does Bray Tech have the thiccest robots known to man?

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Clovis Bray is a mad scientist who experimented with Radiolara on people to create "la fontaine de jouvance" (fountain of youth), and basically created the Exos during the Golden Age

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# eager trout Why does Bray Tech have the thiccest robots known to man?

I'm assuming you're referring to Elsie Bray the Exo Stranger in particular. Most people are.

Elsie's Exobody was custom made to mimic her original human body proportions. Many Exobodies didn't have this personal touch, but Elsie is Clovis's granddaughter, and so earned some special privilege.

Didn't stop him from killing her once, though.

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"If an Exo doesn't subconsciously human"

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# eager trout What's DER?

Disassociative Exomind Rejection, which is a fun little mental problem that may result in madness and eventual braindeath

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# eager trout What's DER?

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-core-terminus-mars
The Concierge can explain the process quite well for you

Ghost Scan: Core Terminus, Mars ā€” Transcript ā€” Ishtar Collective

Concierge AI: The Human mind in a mechanical body. We are at the cusp of major breakthroughs in making this a reality. Would you like to know more?
Concierge AI: Early experiments in Exo science managed to encode the Human consciousness into a form that could be processed digitally. At the time, we believed that was the big hurdle to overcome in...

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The RoN weapons look a lot like Cells/microscopic organisms in my opinion. Is this intentional?

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Considering the rest of the raid in it of itself is meant to be organic since the place where we're at was hit by the Traveler's life beam, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the intention
"The RoN weapons are actually just already existing weapons, they just have that weird shell on top of them as well" - @chrome fog

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How'd cayde get ressurected

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That's yet to be determined

lavish eagle
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I see

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We just know he's "back"

lavish eagle
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Maybe he's actually Deadpool after all

broken zephyr
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I don't recall Deadpool having a ghostly aura

lavish eagle
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I once heard someone say crow wished it to bring him back from riven

broken zephyr
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It could be, up till now though all we have is speculation

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This doesn't explain much, but it may explain why it's Cayde, specifically.

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coral kiln
# jagged badge Iā€™m really tired of the way Destiny players just default to he/him for everyone ...

Fynch also calls Witness as he? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGCvY9hF46s

YouTube
Destiny Lore Vault
Idle Dialogue, Throne World | Fynch: "The Pyramid Weapon Scours the...

Idle Dialogue from Fynch, a Hive Ghost, in Savathƻn's Throne World.

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Fynch: So this Pyramid weapon scours the Light, but the Hive never used one... Tells me the Witness never trusted them with it. What other surprise has he got?

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Fynch, Hive Ghost ā€” Idle Dialogue (SavathĆ»n's Throne World) Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=...

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Awkward.... šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

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coral kiln
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Unless ā€œheā€ refers to Rhulk there?

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Bungie are generally consistent with this

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They have been with Nimbus and Stargazer for example

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Now ur the one misgendering

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Js

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The game uses He for The Witness. The Devs put that in

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Are the Devs wrong?

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The Witness refers to itself as "We"

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Wait, Mael, donā€™t engage here

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End of discussion.

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Both then

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Just remembered this is the guy with the baity transphobic bio/username

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This is clearly another sad attempt at baiting around this topic

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# coral kiln Are the Devs wrong?

Well, yes, sometimes. The devs don't know all of their own lore. That's not a dig at them, it's just a fact.
Besides that, the character can be wrong, too.

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"transphobic"

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Its entirely possible that what Fynch said was written before certain things of the Witness as a character was written so errors like this can happen
The Witness always refers to itself as "we" and thats where we'll leave this discussion

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All of you

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Take it to DMs if you really wish to continue

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They're always ruining everything for everyone

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ugh

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Anywho

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šŸ‘

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ngl having to rejoin a strike for like 10 times until i get a fresh lobby is a pain...

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i guess it's w/e once you've done them all once for the story, but still...

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I'm sure it is. But, uh, is there a lore topic attached to this?

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yea, doing it for the lore xD

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people in other channels wouldn't understand :P

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the lore reason is that the witness is using causal forces to prevent you from connecting @bronze stone

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I have a lore question when we our guardian is doing raids are we actually doing it alone

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Or do we bring in a fire team

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And who would that fire team consist of

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ah wel thatā€™s cool I guess thanks for the answer

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my fireteam consists of 5 people named Randy

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All 5 of hims?

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@dim minnow I choose you, concordat???

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I know roughly who they are

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But no way Bungie invokes the concordat now

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so what's the question?

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I dunno figured I'd bring it to your attention

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hmmm

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well it is interesting that they finally mentioned them again

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though I think I'll need to read the whole entry myself

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having a quick ishtar look i never knew of other factions apart from the 3 you could join, also linked the pineapple rice entry which i didnt quite get

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no love for lysandre

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The guy from PokƩmon?

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Yall arenā€™t ready for my opinions on him

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ignoring that, I donā€™t really know what bungie would do with the concordat at this point

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Reading about the concordat donating the skimmers got me wondering, do we know what happened to the factions after they left at the end of Splicer?

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Also do we know what Mysteries: Vault of Glass 3 is?
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/mystery-the-vault-of-glass-3

Mystery: The Vault of Glass 3 ā€” Grimoire Card ā€” Ishtar Collective

A starfield. The stars swing slowly across the Ghost's field of view, just darkness and the blazing fury of distant suns as the Ghost tumbles through empty space. Hours of this before, with a wash of power, a huge convoy of ships drops into reality from warp.
A convoy of Guardian craft, hundreds strong. Ships of all sizes and shapes can be se...

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Prediction of the future by the vex? The actual future simulated by the vex? Something else? Or do we not know for sure yet?

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A future that didn't come to pass, presumably

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Also how does vex simulations work with the light? Can they only predict light abilities used before against them? Like in CoO cutscene, we see a vex simulation of a VoG fireteam. Can they only simulate that because they encountered them before? Like would they be able to simulate a warlock summoning a nova bomb, but their simulations would crack at trying anything else? Or is that snapshot more like a rerecording than a simulation?

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As far as we can tell, that simulation was more of a recording. The main issue is that they cannot predict Light or Lightbearers. To them, there's no logical path between our actions when Light is involved.

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Quria for example could not simulate Oryx, but could simulate Aurash - a version of Oryx without any paracausal influence

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So to the vex, a warlock about to use their super could equally be summoning a nova bomb, or summoning a swarm of pigeons, or summoning a loaf of bread, or an infinite number of other things?

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Since there's no rhyme or reason to the nova bomb being summoned?

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Yeah that's pretty much it exactly

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Also, with Panoptes, was it such a big deal to deal with because it's processing power was so great along with the infinite Forest that it had the potential to simulate paracausal powers and bring forth the vex dominated future?

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Like I feel like I never properly understood the story of CoO when I first played through it, and now obv I can't anymore

trim grotto
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I've got to get back to work sorry
Maybe @dim minnow can help

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(Though I might be wrong)

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Imagine Convergence (the Vex defeat everyone and convert the universe into their image) as a meal

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Panoptes is the chef of that meal and has discovered the recipe, hence we must destroy it

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I've always thought Panoptes was the biggest vex threat we've faced yet solely because he was the closest who came to cracking paracausality the vex way1

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Like both Quria and Sol Divisive were closer, but they required to be taken and gifted darkness respectively to do so

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While Panoptes almost did it through pure number crunching

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Is there lore on whatever magic it is Warlocks use for their powers or the "magic" really just the same as the other classes have but focused in a different way?

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No differences other than ā€œpresentationā€/aesthetic

eager trout
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So the "trained in the arcane arts" line is really just for show

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Is there a lore reason for why a Hive subclass couldn't be added?

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I'm no lore expert but the Hive, with the exception of Savathun's horde, are subserviant to the Witness.

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I would guess the fear of being corrupted by the Witness' influence dissuades people from tapping into the Hive's power.

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We already have lore about that mf Dredgen Yor what happens when Hive magic affects a Guardian.

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Iā€™m not sure Hive magic is really exactly Darkness the way Stasis and Strand are

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Could be wrong Cayde_Shrug

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Maybe sometime in the future things will change and we'll get Hive powers after all.

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i'll be 100 and say when I found out we'd finally be getting darkness powers, hive stuff is what immediately came to mind

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not mr freeze and green string cheese

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why savathun the way she is one second she is kind the next she is trying to kill us and take the travler !?

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savathun is a tsundere

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Yk, the Hive God of Cunning and Lies?

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Sheā€™s never had our best interests at heart

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She left us to die after all

solar pawn
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fair

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She only worked with us to her own benefit

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Now she can be fair, like leaving Osiris with us as part of our bargain

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But she also left him completely comatose

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All Hive born after the Three Hive Gods got their worms only know how to eat Guardian Light and lie

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lie is savathƻn's favorite word

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The only reason she ratted on the Witness is cuz she got caught between a rock and a pipebomb

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We were the pipebomb

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whats the rock xivu arath or the witness

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Savathƻn's primary goal was to escape the Worm Parasite's hunger.

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She realised it wasn't sustainable, even after redefining its hunger.

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So in the end, she exorcised the Worm, got resurrected.
Stealing the Traveler was her ticket to her Throne World being a completely isolated pocket universe, hidden from the Witness and whatever harm it may cause.

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season of the lost she had to find a way to escape her worm and her sister well she did

trim grotto
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In a manner of speaking. She didn't escape Xivu, not truly. If Xivu finds Savathƻn, she'll probably try and kill her.

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Are Xivu and the Witness allies?

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yes

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Yes.

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xivu is one of the witness's war generals if i'm remebering correctly

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Like a disciple?

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She's basically a Disciple in all but name.

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don't disciples get special powers from the witness?

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._.

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Does xivu have those powers? If we kill her will her body explode into a tree?

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accully that sounds preety cool now I want to see xivu explode into a tree

gleaming pebble
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that's what rhulk and nezarec did when we killed them in the raids

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Hive are weird like that.

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Was Eramis a disciple?

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And where is she right now?

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nope

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why doesn't she just interpret the Sword Logic in such a way that it allows her to get the funky tree powers?