#šŸ“šlore-discussion

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ember storm
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we're the only ones equipped to deal with the witness

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the point of the immaru insurance is just so we won't immediately go and finish off savathun whenever we get the chance to properly do so

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with immaru in our hands, we've got the "assurance" that if savathun makes any move, we can easily react

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this is her way of telling us she's going to behave and please don't murder me

fresh zephyr
ember storm
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she still would

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if she gave us what we need right away we'd just fucking kill her permanently

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she's using as much wiggle room as she can to save her own skin while also insulting us to our faces because it's making her feel better

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stringing us along is the only way she can ensure she has more precious movements of having a working nervous system

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anything after figuring out the portal is up in the air

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it's why we got immaru

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when we have immaru, we're going to be more lax about it

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no reason to be on high alert since just crushing him would cut savathun off from light and make her and her brood easy pickings

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she's using that to as much benefit as she can

fresh zephyr
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Hmmm, It does make sense, but afterwards, saint already leave immaru back to Savathun

ember storm
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you really don't understand savathun if you don't think she's trying to come up with something on the downlow

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she's not the type to just be twiddling her thumbs awaiting judgment from the entirety of multiple civilizations

fresh zephyr
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We lost our trump card immaru cuz Saint already leave him back to Savathun already so what now?

ember storm
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now she's back where she started but with full knowledge that we won't pull any punches

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if she goes against us, we'll respond

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she's a little down the line for the chopping block and knows a misstep will shoot her up the list

fresh zephyr
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But letting immaru goes back to Savathun, isn't that a bit too lax

ember storm
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while we're busy, she's going to be doing whatever to prepare to save herself

ember storm
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i'm not him

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immaru was probably just tired of eris hitting him with a book

fresh zephyr
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But by going that notion, by logic, we really have no reason going after Savathun after everything is resolved nor does she, besides eradicating the hive completely

ember storm
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what logic

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the entire point i was making is we've not forgiven savathun for anything

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we are going to punish her at some point, most likely just perma-death

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we've just got other things to deal with

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savathun knows making a big move just puts a bigger and more urgent target on her back

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she's laying low

fresh zephyr
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So is that a valid reason to go after her, after we let her and her ghost free?

ember storm
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doesn't mean there's not already a target

fresh zephyr
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And saint getting his anger vented

ember storm
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i'd still like to see the lore tab

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you never sent it so i can't really comment on it

modern quartz
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you said you wouldn't watch evaze's video while the pictures are in there

fresh zephyr
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Ishtar webpage really doesn't have the text on, so I'll have to likely send you a link

ember storm
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i would rather watch a 50 sub channel using a yeti mic

fresh zephyr
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You could refer to where het get his reading material from

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Doesn't have to fully watch the video just see what the title of the book is
https://youtu.be/TFv_GRLFtnc?si=AXUyj17NhI1CamOg

YouTube
Evaze
Destiny 2 - SAINT 14 KILLS SAVATHUN! Savathun Speaks to Xivu After ...

The Season quest is over, but today we get some more awesome lore. A new terminal entry where Savathun speaks to Xivu about the Witness and the Final Shape. Questions if her love for War is really worth it? And in the new lore card, Saint-14 travels to the Throne World to confront Savathun whoā€™s newly rezzed. He kills her over and over to prove ...

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ember storm
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i am asking for you to provide the lore because i am weeks behind on the story and don't have time to unlock it myself

fresh zephyr
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I don't really have destiny on rn, and I got the story from his video

fresh zephyr
ember storm
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still hidden

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oh ishtar, you can be so nice yet so unfulfilling

fresh zephyr
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Guess you'll have to unlock it then, I think I'mma stop the topic here, thanks, but I really stay up late more than I should have

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Once you read it, ping me if you want to continue, or not idk

chrome fog
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(Excuse me, just catching up on stuff)
We already have theories of Ghost being a mix of Light and Darkness - with how Ghostsight works and Drifter being able to access Stasis after modifications using other ghostsā€™ remains - but two issues: 1) weā€™re past the moralization of Light and Darkness, theyā€™re both paracausal forces anyone can use for good and bad, and 2) why the fuck would killing our ghost automatically save existence?

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Oh dear traveler there are no brain cells to be found

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Recent entry in Rites of Passage lorebook

ember storm
chrome fog
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šŸ‘sorry just finished

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Also, mald, I am firm Sav redemption believer, even if itā€™s a pyrrhic change for the better

ember storm
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the only good savathun is a gun made out of savathun

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that is my final argument

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goodbye

chrome fog
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Thereā€™s enough Shakespearean tragedy regarding the Hive God siblings that I donā€™t mind Sav bring free

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She occupies a space Mara held back in D1, before the loss of Uldren and her confronting Crowā€™s existence

outer dragon
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This, we know she fears The Guardian. She knows The Guardian will fold her EVERY TIME.

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I think she is also underestimating Ikora's level of hacks.

trim grotto
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Howdy friends
What's being lore'd in lore today

outer dragon
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Savathun getting folded by other characters

dim minnow
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it also seems like Saint-14's Ward of Dawn can block transmat

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I like how Bungie gives Saint-14 the effects of his exotic helmet in the lore

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and we got the final puzzle of Imbaru engine

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but it seems that there is still something else

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maybe another secret in the activity, or an end-of-season event

wind flare
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I wonder what exotic cayde had that let him switch supers mid-fight and and charge the second one in under a minute

trim grotto
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Benefits of being over a hundred years old I suppose

dim minnow
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I'm not sure if Cayde was around during the Dark Age

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but it does seem like the City Age went on for a long time before we showed up

trim grotto
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I don't believe so, no

dim minnow
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seeing as how Andal Brask was likely City Age

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it can be assumed that Cayde would also be City Age

static bluff
dim minnow
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no, we got that one

static bluff
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or triumph is bugged and it was supposed to be completed in the last mission

dim minnow
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you're just unlucky

static bluff
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there's no way

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you have it?

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I went into imbaru engine with 3 people today and we realized none of us has it

dim minnow
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or the Xivu's Brood encounter

static bluff
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xivu's encounter

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it just came up while they were doing the navigation test

dim minnow
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yeah, Xivu's Brood became avalible

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last week

static bluff
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but yeah I looked it up I guess it's just chance and none of us has gotten it

dim minnow
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I think it has to be in the new Altar area

static bluff
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yeah

smoky rose
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Xivu's thing is a card sitting next to one of the boss portals in Savathun's spire

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It's not random

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None of them are random

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Oryx's is in Altars of Summoning, walk out into the circle, turn around and climb up top

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Statue in the middle is holding a crystal, shoot it

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Statue will then be holding the card

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@static bluff

real ingot
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how access

static bluff
lucid quest
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hello fellow lore nerds i have 2 questions

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first: is there already a youtube channel devoted to reading the books and lore just straight up with a small amount of analysis

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second: would that be interesting to you other lore junkies or nah

flint swan
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The darknessā€¦

empty fern
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Is mental yes

flint swan
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Okay

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Weird question

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But I feel like this is a lot more niche and hard to find

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But how is like

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Inter species relationships work in destiny

real ingot
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We have nothing on it last I checked

fresh zephyr
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I thought uhh those two

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The empress and uh

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Caital and some dude

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Maybe the banana guy

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Or zavala

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No not zavala

flint swan
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thats probably intentional lol

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But

real ingot
flint swan
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Atleast itā€™s not disproving anything, right?

real ingot
flint swan
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Uhhhh

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I mean Iā€™ve gotten my answer

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MOVING FORWARD,
Do we think caitail is going to keep loyal?

real ingot
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yes

flint swan
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Iā€™m kinda concerned

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But I shall learn to move past my ways

trim grotto
trim grotto
trim grotto
flint swan
trim grotto
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Actually, I can comment on Exo, too.

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One moment.

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Or rather, the Braytech Mars Facility Concierge AI can comment on it.

flint swan
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Lol

trim grotto
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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-core-terminus-mars
Concierge AI: The second preventative measure to DER is to program certain "humanisms" within Exos. As machines, they have not the physical needs to eat or reproduce like real humans. But artificially injecting that drive has been clinically proven to reduce the odds of DER.

Ghost Scan: Core Terminus, Mars ā€” Transcript ā€” Ishtar Collective

Concierge AI: The Human mind in a mechanical body. We are at the cusp of major breakthroughs in making this a reality. Would you like to know more?
Concierge AI: Early experiments in Exo science managed to encode the Human consciousness into a form that could be processed digitally. At the time, we believed that was the big hurdle to overcome in...

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flint swan
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Wait

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So itā€™s saying that giving exos the need to eat is better for them?

trim grotto
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Essentially, yes.

flint swan
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Ohhhhhh

trim grotto
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It keeps their mind stable.

flint swan
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Okay

lucid quest
flint swan
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So making them as human as possible is the best for them?

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And can they even eat?

trim grotto
trim grotto
trim grotto
lucid quest
flint swan
trim grotto
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It should do, yes.

rigid flower
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The last page of Rites of Passage.

static bluff
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if I understand correctly they are artifically added to exos because their human mind can't stay sane without them

trim grotto
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An Exomind is created when a person undergoes a thorough destructive mindscan, which bombards the brain with radiation. This kills the human mind, but scans the brain thoroughly enough to create a mindscan copy. This is then uploaded into an Exobody.

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one moment

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@reef salmon if you don't mind, was it the last word in that paragraph I need to change?

iron bramble
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can ghosts switch their guardians

trim grotto
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It has never happened before. There is a singular suggestion that it is possible, but we've never seen it.

reef salmon
trim grotto
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wait really

reef salmon
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probably cause the last 4 letters

trim grotto
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hm

real ingot
trim grotto
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Without humanisms, the mind begins to reject the Exobody. It may begin to believe the body itself is a dead corpse, and the mind is trapped within it. A variation of the [REDACTED] delusion. It goes insane, and eventually, braindead.

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huh yeah there we go

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thanks Dkay

flint swan
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OHhhhhhhh

trim grotto
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If DER begins to set in, a modern Exomind undergoes a reset instead.

flint swan
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So if it doesnā€™t keep enough of the human minds ā€œneedlessā€ info and desires from the previous life, it self destructs?

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In the hypothetical that itā€™s the first time

trim grotto
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Not exactly. The body it is in needs to be capable of... being human. Breathing, seeing, feeling.

real ingot
trim grotto
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I will say though, all Exo undergo retrograde amnesia when first uploaded. They're intentionally memory wiped.

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This helps them settle in to their new bodies

rigid flower
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Destroy the void crystal she's holding, its in her arms.

real ingot
trim grotto
rigid flower
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Top area.

flint swan
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So the main thing Iā€™m trying to figure out is if those humanisms are unique to the exo, or originate from the human mind scanned

real ingot
real ingot
rigid flower
trim grotto
flint swan
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Thanks thanks

trim grotto
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oh for pities sake this has that word in it too

flint swan
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noooooo

trim grotto
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Apparently, this was the problem.

I had assumed that the need for these irritations would pass since there would be no shortage or accumulation of poisons to trigger them. But evolutionā€™s tangled ways cannot be so easily rationalized. I was wrong. Their brains concluded that all of their internal processes failed. No digestion, no breath, no heartbeat, no sense of interoceptive healthā€¦ all signs of death.

These must logically contribute to the dissociative rejection of their physical formsā€”the [REDACTED] delusion. When it would set in, they believed their bodies to be an alien or necrotic form that must be cut away. And if you believe that you are sewn into a corpse, it is only natural to go mad with fear. My exos are dying of an extreme kind of bodily dysphoria.

It seems that our exo designs will need various humanlike traits to reassure the brain it is not asphyxiating, or starving, or in a state of permanent yet undying cardiac arrest.``` - Clovis Bray I's logbook
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there

flint swan
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Great!

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I think itā€™s a little unclear, but I believe the info is leaning to a more human made necessities

trim grotto
empty fern
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The unclear part

flint swan
# trim grotto What do you find unclear?

Uhm, itā€™s more so how Clovis bray talks about how they say ā€œConcierge AI: The second preventative measure to DER is to program certain "humanisms" within Exos. As machines, they have not the physical needs to eat or reproduce like real humans. But artificially injecting that drive has been clinically proven to reduce the odds of DER.``` almost makes it seem like these humanisms are chosen at random by the creators

real ingot
trim grotto
flint swan
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OHHHH YES

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SO THEYRE FROM YOUR ORIGINAL MIND?!

trim grotto
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ye

flint swan
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THANK YOUUUU

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THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY YOU HAVE NO IDEA

trim grotto
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you're still a person, just no episodic memory

flint swan
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Yippeeeeee

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This is what I was hoping for

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Almost reconsidered remaking my guardian for a min

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Iā€™m dramatic ab stuff like this for some reason

trim grotto
static bluff
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https://youtu.be/TrWHnpUxKTE?si=MWb15Yoj5lOoGGR7

This isn't programming, this is residual memory from his human life

YouTube
Destiny Lore Vault
Activate Dead Exo on Europa | Knox-4 (Bray Exoscience) | Beyond Light

Knox's Exo can be found within Bray Exoscience. After you enter the main/first room, walk up to your right as if you were traveling towards Creation and behind one of the Exo tables is the Dead Exo.

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Knox-4: Three... You're saying I've been rebooted three times. Memory bank's been wiped clean and everything? Completely wiped? Are you sure?...

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real ingot
static bluff
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šŸ’Ŗ

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what were you asking

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I can't comprehend that in any other way

real ingot
static bluff
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nvm

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I thought the war room was an area in the helm

flint swan
trim grotto
flint swan
rigid flower
muted hemlock
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So I saw the part where eris turns into some kind of hive/human hybrid. What the * bleep * just happened?

real ingot
muted hemlock
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Ohhh

real ingot
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embraced Sword Logic

muted hemlock
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I need more details

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You canā€™t just say she became a hive god

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I need more lore

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MORE

real ingot
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Some of it is explained by the seasonal story

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however basis of why and what happened I'll explained

muted hemlock
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MORE

flint swan
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Okay okay, simple but important question, is it permanent?

static bluff
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we need a way to follow the witness into the traveler

savathun offers it in exchange for us dealing with xivu arath

only way we can see is eris becoming a hive god and becoming stronger than xivu

she becomes a hive god and we empower her with kills

muted hemlock
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Also what are the little larva things on the floor

static bluff
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hive worms

muted hemlock
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Wha-

flint swan
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Oooohhhh

muted hemlock
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WHAT

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THEY GROW FROM LARVA

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WHAT

real ingot
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We need to resurrect Savathun however Immaru refuses to unless we beat Xivu Arath, so Eris embraces the Sword Logic to become the Hive god of vengeance and contest Xivu

real ingot
trim grotto
real ingot
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The worms eat the Hive

trim grotto
muted hemlock
real ingot
trim grotto
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Essentially, yes

muted hemlock
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Got it

real ingot
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Classic Sathona

muted hemlock
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Second question

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What exactly is stopping us from going into the traveler? That big throne world eye looking thing? Whoā€™s guarding it? Why did that guy end up fused with the r traveler and dead?

real ingot
trim grotto
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The "eye" is the portal. Joxer ended up fused because he tried to go into it.

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Let me give you the entry

muted hemlock
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._.

trim grotto
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Joxer's grip on the controls tightens as he feels a bone-deep sense of vertigo. Echoes of piano notes tinkling in his periphery. He can feel hands on his chest beneath his armor, breath against his cheek inside his helmet.

"Eric, come back to bed." A voice whispers inside his mind. He sees a city, a home. Family and children. He can't sleep. They aren't alone in the universe. The Ares project is going toā€”

His Ghost is screaming, shell coming apart at the seams. Joxer pulls himself back to reality and jerks the controls as the nose of the Hawk touches the portal. He hears laughter, screams, feels lips on his cheek, hands on his shoulders as the ship begins to pass through.

His Ghost's scream stretches from the moment of the big bang to the heat death of the universe.

Joxer hears a scream he will make as his ship begins and ends.

"Come back to bed."

He catches up to the scream.```
muted hemlock
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Let me find my picture

static bluff
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joxer sounds familiar

real ingot
trim grotto
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That's him, fused with his own ship

muted hemlock
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Just making sure, the throne world is essentially a pocket dimension or juts the fortnite island trapped in that little bubble

trim grotto
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I know nothing about fortnite, but I can explain a Throne World.

real ingot
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Short

empty fern
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Oh god dj question rant

flint swan
real ingot
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back during Jokers Wild

static bluff
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(the best season)

trim grotto
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Underlying our reality is another dimension, the Ascendant Plane. It is a fractured mirror of our reality, filled with Taken and Darkness. Ascendant Hive have created bubbles within this realm, a world bubble inside the caustic realm. Inside this bubble, the world reflects their mind, and bends to their will.

muted hemlock
trim grotto
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Those bubbles are Throne Worlds

flint swan
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Old loreā€¦

muted hemlock
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But it is essentially this tho

images.jpg
trim grotto
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I don't know what that is, but sure. If the outside of the bubble was a caustic plane of Darkness that would tear your very soul apart.

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And if the inside was malleable and conforming to your very thoughts

muted hemlock
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You know what I mean

static bluff
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how do we enter savathun's throne world anyway

empty fern
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Itā€™s a Christmas globe

muted hemlock
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The hive world is essentially a island wrapped in a darkness blanket

real ingot
muted hemlock
trim grotto
muted hemlock
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THE EYEBALL THINGS

static bluff
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flying a ship into a ship

trim grotto
real ingot
static bluff
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huge

muted hemlock
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I say otherwise

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Xivu had to have played some part in this

trim grotto
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No, she wasn't involved.

muted hemlock
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I just know it.!

real ingot
muted hemlock
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Next 26 questions

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Let me pull up my list

static bluff
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the cracked up theories are great here

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killing all of our ghosts will stop the second collapse

trim grotto
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It may be a fusion of Light and Dark causing the colour scheme, but one is an eye, and one is a portal. The portal is caused by the combination of the Veil and Traveler, the eye walls in the Throne World are just observing.

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They're totally different.

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Xivu wasn't related to either one of those

muted hemlock
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Heā€™s so helpful

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What exactly is happening here?

trim grotto
real ingot
muted hemlock
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WHAT

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THATS WHY VINES GREW

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OHHHH

real ingot
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Root of Nightmares

muted hemlock
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The what

empty fern
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Raid

muted hemlock
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WHAT

static bluff
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ron of nightmares

trim grotto
muted hemlock
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Why not just shoot them at the traveler

trim grotto
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What?

muted hemlock
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Big laser make bad guy be plant

empty fern
trim grotto
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The Traveler was firing the beam

muted hemlock
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Problem solved

trim grotto
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what do you mean

muted hemlock
empty fern
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Traveler also kinda revived nezzy

muted hemlock
empty fern
muted hemlock
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I SAID

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NO SPOILERS

empty fern
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Krill issue

trim grotto
real ingot
muted hemlock
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Wha

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WHAT

static bluff
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is there a known reason or reasonable theories for cayde returning?

muted hemlock
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WHAT

trim grotto
muted hemlock
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Iā€™m so stupid

empty fern
trim grotto
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why would it shoot its own beam at itself

muted hemlock
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I meant the witness

real ingot
trim grotto
muted hemlock
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THEN FIRE IT AGAIN

empty fern
muted hemlock
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SHOOT BULLETS OR SOMETHING

real ingot
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Cayde may be a fragment of those memories

muted hemlock
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SHOOT ALL THE REMAINING NUKES AT IT

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DO SOMETHING

empty fern
muted hemlock
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I donā€™t care

trim grotto
muted hemlock
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GET EVERY GUARDIAN ON STANBY AND USE ALL THE ULTIMATES AT ONCE

empty fern
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Dj

muted hemlock
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PROBLEM SOLVED

real ingot
muted hemlock
empty fern
muted hemlock
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No.

empty fern
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Itā€™s almost 12

muted hemlock
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Almost 11 for me

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I GOT ALL NIGHT

static bluff
muted hemlock
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HAHAHAHA

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more questions

real ingot
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Big light magic

muted hemlock
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What exactly do the cabal look like under their masks

real ingot
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we're in the Pale Heart

muted hemlock
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Just like Calus?

real ingot
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Female Cabal have tusks

static bluff
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big light magic is a very compelling argument

trim grotto
muted hemlock
empty fern
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Usually like that except less Sus old man and more mouth

trim grotto
static bluff
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how likely is an ahamkara wish being our way into the traveler FeelsThinkingMan

empty fern
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I donā€™t think weā€™ve seen any female cabal besides caitl

trim grotto
trim grotto
empty fern
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In game model?

muted hemlock
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All I wanna know I wanna look like eris

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She looks epic now

trim grotto
empty fern
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Oh that was the doomer of torrabottl

static bluff
muted hemlock
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starts reciting hive ritual.

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HEHEHEHE

trim grotto
trim grotto
empty fern
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I wonder

muted hemlock
trim grotto
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Lucky Raspberry, an Exotic chestpiece for Hunters.

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Eris is a Hunter, after all.

muted hemlock
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Frick

empty fern
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What we could do with the leviathan femur looking bone in vow

muted hemlock
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How do u get the ace of spades

empty fern
trim grotto
muted hemlock
static bluff
trim grotto
muted hemlock
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I really want it

static bluff
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reaching too far?

empty fern
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Aw

muted hemlock
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Iā€™m still waiting for XĆ»r to show up

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I need to see if he has astrocyte verse

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I need it to compete my wastelander look

trim grotto
# static bluff reaching too far?

Ahamkara bones have power, but we've never seen them grant that level of power. Eris's simply made her eyes fall out in exchange for knowing the way out, for example.

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Even Calus had a bone

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Lavinia had one, the City and Awoken have plenty

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Hell, Shaw Han has some

static bluff
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I'll die on the ahamkara hill until proven otherwise

empty fern
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Wait no that was contra

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Meant the week before

static bluff
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riven was the last known ahamkara surely they added the word "known" for a reason

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surely we'll see one again

trim grotto
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It's possible.

empty fern
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Oh

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We use our wish dragon egg to make wish dragon then wish on the witness. Boom final shape

muted hemlock
empty fern
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Or wish our way into the traveler

muted hemlock
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DONT LIE TO ME

empty fern
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What you gonna do do about it

muted hemlock
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Oh good

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I was going to kill you.

trim grotto
empty fern
empty fern
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Life finds a way CATGRIN

trim grotto
static bluff
empty fern
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Let it happen mark

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Wel use the enclave thing like we did the worm

muted hemlock
#

What?

empty fern
#

You

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Havenā€™t been reading, at all?

trim grotto
# muted hemlock *What*?

There were a couple dozen of those spread across the Dreaming City when we first arrived, and we shattered them all. Turns out Queen Mara Sov's got a spare.

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But it's still dead thanks to the Nine anyway, so caydeShrug

muted hemlock
#

ME WANT EGG.

trim grotto
#

In one of her inner chambers. We haven't seen it since Season of the Lost.

static bluff
#

man is that what the corrupted eggs were

empty fern
#

Shoot them all for a taken sparrow

static bluff
#

I never thought about it at all

muted hemlock
#

What do these eggs look like??

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And where can I find them??

trim grotto
muted hemlock
trim grotto
empty fern
#

Or a turd

muted hemlock
#

Thatā€™s an egg

empty fern
#

Indeed

muted hemlock
#

How big are they

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How hidden are they.

empty fern
muted hemlock
#

????

empty fern
trim grotto
muted hemlock
#

THOSE

trim grotto
muted hemlock
#

I THOUGHT THEY WERE PROPS

empty fern
#

Go get wish ender first

muted hemlock
#

Iā€™ll find them.

trim grotto
#

Wishender can shatter them.

muted hemlock
muted hemlock
static bluff
#

I have no idea how some were found in the first place

empty fern
trim grotto
empty fern
#

Bozo will MEVER get them all

muted hemlock
#

And people are still looking for them?

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How many are there?

trim grotto
# muted hemlock ?

Wishender. The replica of the bow of Sjur Eido. An Exotic Kinetic bow.

empty fern
trim grotto
muted hemlock
#

OH THAT TAKEN THING

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THATS WHAT THAT WAS

empty fern
delicate gazelle
#

Anyone got the latest book entry they can post?

chrome fog
# muted hemlock THEY GROW FROM LARVA

The Hive grow separately from the Worm parasite, but in doing so they not only gain a more powerful form as a Knight or Wizard, but also get more Ascendent Power via Sword Logic, as the worms are how they generate and access said energy

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(Sorry catching up)

chrome fog
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Golly, Dj ya gotta calm down

chrome fog
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(Also automod caught the reply with all nine images so I had to post them separate)

delicate gazelle
rose mauve
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Void is simply the means of drawing potential energy from the vacuum of space. Think of space like an ocean of water, brimming with potential energy. The only way to release that energy is to create a ā€œvoidā€ within the ocean.. like pulling a giant plug at the bottom of the sea. That differential causes the water to suddenly rush and form a vortex around the void. That energy was always there as gravitational potential energy.

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@fresh zephyr

idle raptor
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can someone send me the newset lore drop from this week?

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I can't find it

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oh wait

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nvm

chrome fog
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Oh hey Lettuce, nice seeing you here

dim minnow
#

Good to see cabbagesimilar again

stable beacon
#

What happened to the calus robots

jagged badge
trim grotto
fiery copper
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you shoot one with wish ender, it explodes, and you get gear

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they dont respawn, you can only get one drop per egg, but hey man that's 40 legendaries

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and the "new" dreaming city weapons have some baller rolls

stable beacon
trim grotto
little gorge
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so is there more to the imbaru engine

trim grotto
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In what way

little gorge
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anything really

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another puzzle

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or more dialogue

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they still haven't really explained how it works

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and there's another triumph

chrome fog
#

Thereā€™s a third I believe, but I havenā€™t played since last weekā€™s reset

chrome fog
# little gorge they still haven't really explained how it works

It works somewhat like tithing, but in regards to the different aspects of the Hive God Siblings:
Every time you solve a puzzle, you demonstrate understanding an exalt Savathun with your cunning. Every time a puzzle stumps you, you generate tithe by being deceived. Xivuā€™s has you killing a bunch of pawns strategically, so thatā€™s kinda war, and thereā€™s Oryxā€™s which idk it is

worldly edge
#

Just watched a Byf video. Apparently Oryx isn't full dead. Bet we gotta fight the hive gods in TFS

gentle geyser
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I mean considering that oryx is currently dead under the oceans of titan and with a failed necromancy, I donā€™t think we have to worry for a while

worldly edge
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Unconscious. But not like full dead. The taken gear lore says so. His body is still growing, and absorbing information. It just can't react to it

blazing wasp
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Not to mention that if he's brought back and has memories he'd kill whoever brought him back and then himself

worldly edge
#

Why would he do that?

gentle geyser
#

I highly doubt oryx is coming back anytime soon especially since they added kings fall

worldly edge
#

Care to give me a little lore on kingsfall?

stable beacon
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Dont we have his heart though in touch of malice?

worldly edge
#

This is getting interesting.

blazing wasp
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If he dies, he deserves to die

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In his eyes, he deserved to die, and we deserve to live more than him

stable beacon
#

Are raid exotics lorewise one of a kind?

blazing wasp
#

I'd imagine so?

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Most if not all at least

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Touch is

worldly edge
#

But like... didn't he come back from death to become the taken king?

blazing wasp
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It's uh

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Eris, explain, you're better at this

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I know you're here

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Eris don't leave me here

worldly edge
#

Oh my cotton socks! Eris is here!?

blazing wasp
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Ok fine so basically

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Some sword logic cheesing making him technically not truly die

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And he never had, until we killed him

worldly edge
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*gets ready for pepe silva style conspiracy *

blazing wasp
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But if he's brought back through sword logic, that'd technically be fine, if such is possible

worldly edge
#

Crown of Sorrows?

blazing wasp
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Don't think that could do it

worldly edge
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Where is Oryx soul?

wind flare
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just politely ask atheon to bring past oryx to the present

blazing wasp
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Kinda gone, we have a... fragment(?) Of it in ToM

worldly edge
#

Like I assume Cayde and Amanda are inside the traveler.

gentle geyser
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The way I see it, the fact that we had a whole dudgeon stopping oryx from being resurrected implies hes out for the count, especially out of lore

jagged badge
blazing wasp
#

I'm still unsure about that part yea

worldly edge
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Yea but Xvu visiting his corpse regularly. And bow that she's banished I could see her trying to bring her brother back

blazing wasp
#

But he lives on in memory

jagged badge
blazing wasp
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In the gun

jagged badge
#

And Xivu is no heretic

worldly edge
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She wasnt.

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She might become so now that's she's desperate and mortal

blazing wasp
#

No

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Very unlikely

gentle geyser
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Oryx ainā€™t comin back

worldly edge
#

Consider. Savathuns most recent audio file.

blazing wasp
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I'm xivus own thinking, her dying means she deserved it

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In*

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If she turns, it won't be simple desperation

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She'd die for the logic as she is now

worldly edge
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Bringing up chess. Referring to the witness as a King... that may cause Xvu to get her own king.

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Humor me

gentle geyser
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Xiva is most likely not going to be a major role and probably not even in final shape

worldly edge
#

So all of those years of build up for nothing?

gentle geyser
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Especially considering that episode 3 is called heresy and this season was just hived themed involving her

worldly edge
#

What about Eris' story

gentle geyser
gentle geyser
worldly edge
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But like isn't her end game to witness the death of Xvu?

#

Xivu* w.e.

jagged badge
#

Not really

gentle geyser
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The witness is a much bigger deal

worldly edge
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Ultimately yes. But not personally, right?

gentle geyser
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Plus we have other factions that need the spotlight for the episodes

gentle geyser
worldly edge
#

I agree. But like. We still have some lose ends to cut before we fight them

gentle geyser
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The ending of this season implies xiva isnt a problem as of right now

worldly edge
#

The seasons over?

gentle geyser
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Yes pretty much

worldly edge
#

Don't we have another month?

serene swift
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The story is over

rich wyvern
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xivu is most likely out of the way for now

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she is not dead, so she will be reused at a later date for more conflict wiht the hive

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but next expansion is all about the witness

real ingot
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Xivu is heavily weakened and just lost one of her best generals

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The Witness is currently winning and stopping that is top priority

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The entire reason weā€™ve gone against Xivu is to reach them

dim minnow
real ingot
#

6 Spire secrets, 3 Imbaru secrets, and 1 unknown

chrome fog
chrome fog
# worldly edge Why would he do that?

Necromancy is heresy to the Hive, unlike earning a Throneworld, Necromancy is short cutting your way into another chance and cheating the Sword Logic. This is why they mock Guardians and their Ghosts, because they have to come back over and over again instead of definitively enacting dominance over another in one go

chrome fog
real ingot
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It was either his heart or soul

chrome fog
#

His heart

chrome fog
# worldly edge Like I assume Cayde and Amanda are inside the traveler.

Caydeā€™s ā€œthereā€, but it might not be the real Cayde. Best working theory is this is some sort of template Cayde that is the accumulation of all versions of Cayde throughout time, judging from the Akashic Revelation lore tab, his body cracked like it was in Forsaken but emitting a similar blue light to the Memories in Haunted, and how he ends his sentence with kiddo or whatever, a change in speech that he never uses with Ikora

chrome fog
fresh zephyr
#

during which expansion did john halo revive cayde 6 with the dragon balls

waxen nebula
#

Is Clovis bray really that bad of a person???

blazing wasp
#

I mean he performed human experiments and physically and psychologically tortured several people

blazing wasp
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To save his own personal work

waxen nebula
#

Seems like a G

blazing wasp
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Clovis is just simply a narcissistic, gigabrain otherwise but socially and psychologically he has what is often referred to as "shit for brains"

waxen nebula
#

šŸ’€

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I mean he is still an essential character

blazing wasp
#

Yes

waxen nebula
#

And time travelšŸ¤·šŸæā€ā™‚ļø

blazing wasp
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You can be important, and be a bad person

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Huh?

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Time travel?

waxen nebula
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The exo stranger is a time traveler, wasnā€™t she related to Clovis?

blazing wasp
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Yes

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She's his granddaughter

trim grotto
#

The amount of amoral human experimentation he did was staggering

frozen oasis
#

Ok I got a question. At the end of the Witch Queen campaign, did Savathƻn let us win? It was definitely a difficult boss fight but for Savathƻn with the light it just seemed.. too easy? I mean compared to how she was at the beginning of the campaign when we first saw her, during the boss fight she was a complete pushover. Idk just something that's bugging me. I don't even trust beating here lol.

trim grotto
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She didn't let us win, no.

real ingot
trim grotto
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She planned around it, but didn't let us.

frozen oasis
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It's just... she killed oryx multiple times apparently, and that was without the light. Then we beat her while she has the light? In her own throne world? Why not just freeze us like at near the beginning of the campaign when we first saw her?

trim grotto
#

She killed Oryx while she still had the power of her Parasite Worm and the Sword Logic, and he killed her just as many times, if not more.

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By Witch Queen, the Worm was exorcised, and her Ascendant Power along with it.

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I can't really say why she didn't just freeze us again, though. Perhaps because we totally shattered her concentration and made her realise her origin was based on a lie.

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It's how we killed her, after all

jagged badge
gentle geyser
#

Want to correct me on that again?

ember storm
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itā€™s just a testament to how dedicated oryx is at being dead

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the hidden swarm tried using nightmare essence, and the Lucent brood tried both Nokris necromancy and a ghost

gentle geyser
#

Yes but it very much isnā€™t JUST a ghost

ember storm
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none of them worked

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because heā€™s just dead

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nothing is ever going to work

jagged badge
#

Iā€™ll give him a good kick in the backside

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Thatā€™ll work

ember storm
#

Oryx wouldnā€™t want to come back anyway

jagged badge
#

He will when he feels the wrath of my boot

ember storm
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the use of necromancy wouldnā€™t be like becoming a risen, heā€™d just be awake

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and incredibly pissed

slim elk
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Oryx:Fuck off guys. I lost, I'm staying dead. It's only fair, you want to revive someone go poke at Taniks"

ember storm
#

Kelgorath wants his turn again

fresh zephyr
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I need to Ask something

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The pyramid ships the ones that stayed they got destroyed right or am I wrong

empty fern
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Cause thereā€™s like a whole army

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My army of Doritos

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Stayed like in arrivals? No they probably still there

fresh zephyr
empty fern
fresh zephyr
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The titan one is gone etc

#

Ah why canā€™t we see them

empty fern
fresh zephyr
#

But technically itā€™s under water

empty fern
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Or it sank, there was that wicked implement mission

fresh zephyr
#

Could have been destroyed

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Because they can be

empty fern
#

K

trim grotto
#

The Titan Pyramid appears to have become the structure we enter when seeking Wicked Implement, but Pyramids can just shapeshift, so that seems perfectly functional.

fresh zephyr
trim grotto
fresh zephyr
trim grotto
#

The prisons we break into to save the hostages. They were Pyramids.

#

They technically still are, just not the literal shape.

fresh zephyr
#

Interesting

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I thought it was something different

mental berry
#

i am very new here and i just got finished watching a four hour summary of destiny's entire story
does anybody know of a site or a channel that posts all the quests, cutscenes, voice lines, texts anything at all related to the roll where i can consume all of it?

ember storm
mental berry
#

or do i actually have to stop being lazy and hunt it down individually?

ember storm
#

that byf video is years old

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it's not "the entire story" by a long shot now

mental berry
#

well it is a summary thats why im here asking

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and it was evaze idk byf

ember storm
#

anyway here's this

#

https://www.youtube.com/@DestinyLoreVault/playlists

YouTube
Destiny Lore Vault

"Destiny Lore Vault" is a channel designed primarily for archiving secondary sources to support and provide other community-fueled sites like Ishtar Collective and Destinypedia with sources. We have two main goals: we prioritize content that features alternative dialogue and content that will eventually become unavailable via the Destiny Content...

mental berry
trim grotto
mental berry
chrome fog
# gentle geyser

Yes, there was a ghost there that you crush to start the encounter. I donā€™t know what else you can glean from that other than they were trying to resurrect him with a ghost

tawdry mauve
#

šŸ’€

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its litterally in the name

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it was necromancy via a hive ghost

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all ghosts perform necromancy when they rez us

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its just the nature of the word itself

chrome fog
#

Plus other stuff, but also there was a ghost right there

tawdry mauve
#

yeah lol

chrome fog
tawdry mauve
#

i mean yes lol

#

they are litterally raising us from the dead

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"necromancy" is just a fancy word

chrome fog
#

Necromancy implies bringing back someone as they were, ghosts raise a Guardian from the corpse of another

tawdry mauve
#

necromancy does not imply that at all lol šŸ’€

chrome fog
#

Theyā€™re similar in mannerism and appearance, but for all intents and purposes theyā€™re a different person

tawdry mauve
#

if anything raising someone from the dead isnt even necromancy

#

if we use the definition

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necromancy is communication with the dead

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Necromancy:
"the supposed practice of communicating with the dead, especially in order to predict the future."

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so using definitions is pendatic

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and wont lead this conversation anywhere

chrome fog
#

Then thatā€™s even further credence that it was mainly the Ghost trying to resurrect Oryx

tawdry mauve
#

yes?

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i litterally agree with you on that

chrome fog
#

Just reiterating for the conversation

tawdry mauve
#

its not necromancy like nokris

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its just necromancy like ghosts do all the time basically

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im assuming its a whole ritual

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because oryx is quite the person to revive

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and wouldnt be so simple especially with the nature of his death

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the reason Ŕimmumah is also called a "lucent necromancer" is because that was litterally her position within nokris's brood

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she just kept it and added lucent to it because it is thematic to what the ghosts do šŸ’€

ember storm
#

Savathun specifically enlisted Nokris at one point in order to learn his necromancy, and their broods partnered up

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necromancy in destiny is a distinctly different concept than ghost resurrection

#

they work differently so theyā€™re named differently

#

the end

tawdry mauve
#

but what was happening in ghost was not the nokris flavoured necromancy

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at least not fully

ember storm
#

it was a mashup because every other attempt at reviving oryx failed

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they just tried everything they had

#

none of it wouldā€™ve mixed it was just a desperate attempt

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moon knight brand ā€œrandom bullshit goā€

thorny pelican
#

What if resonance is just paracausal tech development by the Witness when it was a civilization?

tawdry mauve
#

because it most likely is

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since all magic in this universe is just extremely advanced technology is some way shape or form sassy_shrug

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at least speculatively

slim elk
#

Ahamkara bullshit not withstanding

tawdry mauve
#

pretty much

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the awoken and the ahamkaras are probably the only actual magic magic

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but even then

#

they could just be super advanced tech

chrome fog
tawdry mauve
#

idk what that 2nd sentence has anything to do with it

#

im aware solar energy and light are 2 seperate things

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but solar as an element is inheritely paracausal

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since it isnt just "fire"

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but if we call anything paracausal magic it kinda defeats the purpose lol sassy_shrug

chrome fog
#

Yeah. So something that inflicts Solar, Void, Arc, etc damage isn't just magic

tawdry mauve
#

i didnt say it was

chrome fog
#

The point I'm trying to make is, there are sources of paracausal power, of magic, and many of them are accessed through some technological means, but that doesn't make the magic wholy technological

tawdry mauve
#

because its in relation to our real world

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everything irl that doesnt make sense is effectively "magic" but paracausality obviously doesnt exist

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so for destiny i feel like a different definition for magic is in order

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because "paracausality" is only relative to our irl understanding of the universe

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the second something is paracausal it becomes the new "causality"

slim elk
#

An interesting note is even paracausal stuff can be nullified and contained
Why we haven't trapped Immaru with a ghost cage and killswitch I will never know

chrome fog
#

It's summoning fire out of nowhere, that feels like quintessential magic

tawdry mauve
#

well yeah the light and shit is magic magic

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but we know something like the hive magic is actually closer to tech

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especially the way clovis describes it

chrome fog
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Just with scientific aspects connected to it

slim elk
#

Differing question
How many times you think Saint 14 killed Savathun?

ember storm
#

too few

thorny pelican
#

Solar, Void, and Arc are natural in our universe. Our paracausality gives us the ability to take these elements and focus them in a way that the laws of physics would deem impossible

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I believe the Ekumene (I think I spelled that right?) had paracausal weapons, so their weapons were likely augmented in a way that defies the laws of physics.

I believe the same can be said for resonance. It was after all developed by a civilization that studied both the Light and the Darkness to the point of being able to become the Witness

fresh zephyr
#

Has savathun been here since vanilla?

rich veldt
empty fern
#

As for in game age? When the hive first existed so for a long long time

jagged badge
ember storm
#

sheā€™s been an established character since D1 if thatā€™s what youā€™re asking

jagged badge
#

Her name was also mentioned in a D2 Y1 strike right?

blazing wasp
#

Savathuns song

south temple
#

Do we know where the last city is?

ember storm
#

around the Andes mountains, actually

#

South America baybee

south temple
real ingot
chrome fog
#

Beeg Shriker

meager belfry
#

Ever have that urge to justshard

dim minnow
#

Guardian paracausality along with Awoken magic is probably actual magic though

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also psions seem to have innate psychic powers

haughty horizon
#

Is it true that eris morn has a gyattt

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Lord wise

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Lore

dim minnow
#

a gyattt?

meager belfry
dim minnow
#

looking it up rn

trim grotto
#

If it can't be explained in this chat then I don't want to know

dim minnow
#

ok just looked it up

meager belfry
#

Yeah it shouldnt

dim minnow
#

@haughty horizon

dim minnow
#

might be rule 3 though

haughty horizon
#

Is it tho?

lucid quest
south temple
trim grotto
lucid quest
#

wasn't it shown that the traveler was directly over chile in the season of the seraph cinematic?

trim grotto
#

No, since the Seraph landscape isn't 1-1 with actual earth.

dim minnow
#

I had an idea that it could be off the coast of Chile since the Panama canal dried up into a ravine

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but I think someone disproved that

lucid quest
#

how big is the last city though? pretty huge if itā€™s holding all of humanity, right?

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so maybe itā€™s not only chile

trim grotto
#

What you see is what we've got when it comes to size

real ingot
#

I'd wager it's Melbourne sized at best

trim grotto
#

I could see that
And there's a bunch of territory that's just craters now too

real ingot
#

Though my wager stems from I've seen Melbourne from pretty high up

trim grotto
#

Did'ja have a bit of a eureka moment?

real ingot
#

wait actually

#

hmm

#

Melbourne direct

#

not outer

empty fern
#

What

trim grotto
empty fern
#

Whatā€™s going on

#

Game geography?

trim grotto
empty fern
#

Oh

#

Oops

#

Anyways, any interesting lore on the dreadnaught? Or the old cabal?

trim grotto
#

Xivu was recently sighted on the Dreadnaught. Not sure which Cabal you mean, though.

empty fern
#

Ah

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Wait what

#

Tf you mean she was sighted, as in xivu herself showed up to the dreadnaught?

trim grotto
#

Yep!

empty fern
#

And also whatever faction had a bulwark on the dreadnaught, siege dancers I think

trim grotto
#

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/vi-conviction
When I say recently, this was last season

VI. Conviction ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

ā€”
Xivu Arath's claw wraps around a hiltless, slender vantablack blade impaled into the spine of a prostrated Knight, whose own sword clatters to the ground, inches from its grip, defeated.
She twists her blade, and the Knight's roars echo within the Dreadnaught. Xivu's will soars through the Ascendant Plane and crosses the barrier between this...

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But she was there

trim grotto
empty fern
#

F

#

Brb gonna go read that

#

Wait so

#

It started with her killing a knight on the dreadnaught but then she went off somewhere to commune?

#

Or did she commune on the dreadnaught like calus did in lf

#

Or Erimis

#

What defines a location good for communing

trim grotto
empty fern
#

Oh

#

Wait but doesnā€™t it work like mc nether? You use the plane to travel like ahsa did?

trim grotto
#

She still didn't physically move
it was her mind that "moved"

empty fern
#

Hmm

#

You can separate your mind from your body AND could take body with you through the ascendant plane?

trim grotto
empty fern
#

Like

trim grotto
#

she just did a ritual to talk to the Witness who was far away

empty fern
#

O

#

Beuh

trim grotto
#

your confusion was confusing me there Nexus

empty fern
#

I was cooking and you couldnā€™t handle the spice

#

With another super delayed response CATGRIN

dim minnow
#

if my theory is correct, then the Ascendant Plane would be the concious domain

#

like how our world is the physical one

chrome fog
#

Warhammerā€™s Warp but a little less fucked up and some different rules meant to make it more reflective of real space instead of ā€¦ psychedelic hell space

unreal tulip
#

Can I get an explanation on what exactly is a warmind/rasputin and how/why did it die?

real ingot
#

Warmind was a defense system created by Braytech with Rasputin being a mind of it that evolved beyond just a weapon

#

During Seraph Rasputin was being repaired as Eramis was attempting to gain control of the Warmind's weapons as Xivu was attacking

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any attack from Rasputin would grant Xivu immense power dooming us and as such Rasputin determined the best way to protect us was to delete the Warmind network entirely

chrome fog
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Well, Rasputin was the Warmind, his origins being the life-preservation system on the Ares-1 system, the mission to Mars which saw Humanityā€™s first contact with the Traveler

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He had subminds which were dedicated to various operations and meant to spread his reach across the Sol solar system

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And as Avlus said, Red sacrificed himself to prevent the use of his warsat system and prevent Xivu from gaining that potential tithe power

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Rasputin himself essentially grew as an individual with the oversight of Ana Bray before she died and got rezzed as a Guardian

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As much as she concerningly took after Clovis Bray I, she also made sure Rasputin was developed as an actual mind, rather than just a system-wide defense network which Clovis could use to claim himself a God

tulip knoll
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Thereā€™s more details to it but thatā€™s the short explanation

trim grotto
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a lil' bit of mass murder

chrome fog
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Just a bit of parental jealousy towards the Traveler

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Rasputin was enough of a person that a specialized submind dedicated to basically roaming human society and learn how to Human was rezzed as Felwinter after it got wrecked in the Collapse

ornate grotto
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Has there been any mention of Eramis in the lore since season of the defiance?

dim minnow
ornate grotto
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That's unfortunate we need her back soon

smoky rose
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Please no

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Anyone but Eramis and her bipolar writing

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I just want a bad guy

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Not a bad guy* who randomly deus ex machinas us
*girl but you get the point

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Iā€™ll tolerate an episode that concludes her story arc

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Maybe a dungeon at some point

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But please have mercy I donā€™t want her to be a major part of S23 or Lightfall

chrome fog
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If Eramis pops up anywhere I want the writers to commit to one side of her characterization please just some consistency or explanation for her bipolar writing

slim elk
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No dues ex machina escapes either

velvet flax
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I'm expecting Eramis to appear next season as I think Mithrax will have a role next season thanks to the setup with his gauntlet and hand being weird

tawdry mauve
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just scorn her and get it over with

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have us merk her in the dungeon or something next season

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would rather have that then dealing with her flip flop personality all season

empty fern
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Nah itā€™ll be a mission, like leviathan eater bulbasip

outer dragon
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Eramis gonna die in a lore tab on a gun
Calling it now

little gorge
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we got at least the names for both defiance and deep before lf

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and the ending of deep revealed the premise of witch

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this time we have nothing other than big triangle and the heirloomā„¢

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but if it really is about using this heirloom thing then i don't think eramis will be involved

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she'd make a good dungeon boss imo

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she's kinda been a b tier antagonist since she came back

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even in seraph xivu was the bigger threat for most of the season

fast tapir
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I'd kill for an Eramis dungeon in the Europa pyramid

ember storm
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amen

velvet flax
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Eramis has been an antagonistic figure in over half of the years of Destiny trollge

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Years 2, 4, 5, 6

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2/3 CATGRIN

dim minnow
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took me a while, but I just noticed that the "echoes" episode art has tropical vegetation on it

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would that mean it coorelates with Venus?

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furthermore, it looks like a shadowy figure wearing something vex-like

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how mush you guys wanna bet that this guy is going to be a "Hezen Lord"

smoky rose
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Season of Dawn 2 Venus Boogaloo

dim minnow
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heard someone say it looks like Osiris

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hmm

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an "Echo" of Osiris?

fast tapir
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interesting

trim grotto
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I can't say I see any resemblance to Osiris

dim minnow
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apparently you can see it in the shoulders and feathers, but I can't really see it

velvet flax
ember storm
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my spinfoil is that it's some vex-augmented psion akin to the mindbender

velvet flax
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I can barely make out the shoulders because of the glowy red

ember storm
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like have cabal and vex loose ends tied up in one knot

chrome fog
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Have them be like minds that did a Rasputin and learned how to become their own individual separate from the all encompassing directive to assimilate and study

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They got so efficient in delegating tasks to other units that they can afford to simulate having a unique personalities

static bluff
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asher mir believers bless up

meager belfry
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wouldnt be surprised if asher mir was 75% vex augmented now

trim grotto
meager belfry
meager belfry
chrome fog
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One singular sparse simulated instance of Asher Mir unassimilated by the Vex, real for sure

dim minnow
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Asher has always been a doomer, so I doubt he has it in him to come back

little gorge
trim grotto
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But it could be. The Vex are not perfectly unified as it is, and a shakeup could change things to the unexpected.

little gorge
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honestly at this point I don't think we're getting a shakeup

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episodes seem to be just tying loose ends

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kinda feels like there's no vex storyline like people thought

trim grotto
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Maybe these three are, but I expect it'll be more complex in future.

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And the Vex need evolution eventually

little gorge
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yes I'm talking about the tfs episodes

golden wolf
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didn't bongo say smth about more vex story post final shape?

little gorge
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did they?

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well that was probably referring to this episode

golden wolf
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if ur referring to this image, it looks like a weird version of the chromatic fire orna and a funky helmet

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little gorge
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honestly it looks like a shell

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i don't think it's actually alive

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maybe we're actually getting combat vex and that's one of their frames

golden wolf
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I still can't believe more people don't know about that bit of lore, all these vex we fight aren't soldiers, they the engineers and construction crew, scary

trim grotto
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To be fair that bit of lore came from Calus so half the people dismiss it

dim minnow
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it's some person

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you think it is a Hezen Lord?

golden wolf
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hezen lord?

little gorge
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anyways the fact that fikrul gets an episode but house salvation doesn't makes me think eramis will die in the dungeon

dim minnow
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named after something known as the "Hezen Lords"

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we literally know nothing else about them too

golden wolf
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I got that reference, I'm just not sure what a Hezen Lord is

dim minnow
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well neither do I

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no one does really

golden wolf
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amazing, another entity/place that gets referred to once and never again lol

dim minnow
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but the vegetation around the figure looks Venus-like, so maybe it will tie into VoG

dim minnow
little gorge
dim minnow
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at least with the Radial Mast we can make inferences

golden wolf
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I think you mean like 80% of lightfall lol

little gorge
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(although i think it was quite obvious what purpose it served but technically it was never explicitly stated so we don't REALLY know)

dim minnow
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Hezen Lords got absolutely NOTHING