📚lore-discussion

[trim grotto]

Shin would probably be supportive of this, honestly.

It is, after all, what he wanted.

[slim elk]

Yep
Why just waiting for him to finally have the truth revealed.. we pretty much accomplished exactly what he and the Shadows wanted

And after this, there's no way Guardians will return to exclusive Light use while shunning the Darkness

Keeping Eris around as the "sole" Hive God could help immensely in dismantling what's left of the Hive as well... big slap to their beliefs

[wind glen]

In general, is a Knight or a Wizard higher ranked?

Just looking at your average red bar/orange bar

[empty fern]

Krill
Thrall (->ogre)
Acolyte
Wizard/hive
Then so on

They are the same in general

[ember storm]

it depends on the specific person

[ember storm]

this structure is basically only relevant on red bars

[empty fern]

Oh yea

Oops

[ember storm]

basically the only constant is ogres not being treated as individuals

they’re just on a scale of how dangerous they are

[wind glen]

Gotcha

So knights and wizards both have subordinates tithing?

[empty fern]

Think so?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[smoky rose]

I got the 10th card

10th page of sororicide

that's not concerning at all

Definitely doens't sound like dark future

[empty fern]

Interesting

[little gorge]

xivu pronounced ecumene

since when is it pronounced like that

[velvet flax]

How did she pronounce it?

[empty fern]

Ecumene

[royal adder]

is there any lore on the robot dog in the tower?

[empty fern]

Side project for Ana bray I think? Was found during season of seraph

[royal adder]

oh

[fresh zephyr]

Are the lurker shields from dead serivitor eyes

[tulip knoll]

Weren’t the hive at war with the ecumene (not sure I’m spelling it right) for like 10 million years?

Or was that the ammonite

[empty fern]

With each other? Osmium and helium?

[empty fern]

Yea think so

Disciple type faster

[worn kernel]

The war with the Hive and Ecumene I think lasted for 1240 years. In the first century, the Ecumene lost seventeen worlds. Another century later, ECU council was killed. another forty years, a member species of the ecumene was killed by Oryx. And after a thousand years later, the entire Ecumene was wiped out.

[empty fern]

I’ve never heard of this, where did you find it

[worn kernel]

Only the Hive, and Taox, last Krill, can recount those events.

[empty fern]

Who’s taox

[worn kernel]

Mother of the three daughters who would become the Hive Gods. And If memory serves me right, this was from the lore book, Books of Sorrow from D1.

[smoky rose]

The krill who betrayed the osmium king

Idk about mother but at least teacher

[empty fern]

Ah

[smoky rose]

Taox fled to all of the civilizations who would eventually be sacked by the hive

Eventually she appears to have been computerized

As the OXA/OXTA

anagram for Taox and also a black box for civilizations, with the first story being that of the hive

Which is why Caiatl is named C Aiat L

[empty fern]

Bruh

[worn kernel]

Taox also tried to kill the Royal family of the Osmium Court to take power for herself. Obviously the trio, Xi Ro, Aurash, and Sathona survived, to which the daughters vowed to kill her. But liked Discus said, the Hive Trio never got to.

[empty fern]

Interesting

Is taox still around to this day? To remember the past?

[smoky rose]

Not exactly

Taox was very likely computerized into the OX(T)A

What happened to that after the fall of torobatl we don’t know

[empty fern]

Maybe they’ll make an episode 4 on it

[smoky rose]

I think this season is a huge missed opportunity on that front

[frigid sparrow]

she's WHAT

[jagged badge]

Yeah, the Cabal named the brightest star in their sky Caiatl, which was apparently a name influenced by that Hive phrase

And then Caiatl is named after the star

Apparently Caiatl’s name’s meaning is more of a defiance of fate, whereas aiat is a proclamation of fate, if that makes sense

[frigid sparrow]

man

the hive god lore stuff might fly from one ear through the other but that's neat

[smoky rose]

All must go the way it must, and the way it must go is struggle

something along those lines

[rich veldt]

caital is sorta the opposite to tis what it is

tis what it is basically being the meaning of aiat

[patent swallow]

so why does Savathun have Tormenters? I thought they were only made around Lightfall

[dim minnow]

maybe the Tormentors are older than we thought

or Immaru had his lackeys capture one recently

[ember storm]

wasn't a tormentor responsible for attacking maya's ship

[dim minnow]

possible

but the Winterbite was what it used to attack Maya right?

then maybe it was a Subjugator instead

[patent swallow]

Idk, just confused because in Lightfall Osiris says that tormenters are an "unholy alliance between darkness and Cabal"

[ember storm]

i guess subjegators have more stabby weapons

[dim minnow]

Tormentors also don't use Stasis

hmmm

maybe Tormentors being made wth Calus' cloning technology and Nezarec's body is a possibiity

[velvet flax]

I don't think it was, Winterbite has the Neomuna aesthetic.

Though it could be a Subjugator that attacked the ship though going by when it was released I'm guessing it was a Tormenter

And the 'unholy alliance' phrase I take more as that Calus being a Disciple means the Witness has gifted him some Tormenters

[tulip knoll]

And throughout all of this at some point the traveler abandons them if I’m assuming right?

[velvet flax]

I don't think Tormenters are a result of Calus cloning tech. Especially if Savathun had one in the Oubliette and Xivu had one as a champion in the sunken Pyramid temple on Titan

[tulip knoll]

Aren’t tormentors just manifestations of nezarec?

[velvet flax]

They aren't 'manifestations' that's for sure. They each have unique identities

[tulip knoll]

Ah okay

[worn kernel]

No, I believe the Ecumene did not have the Traveler involved during this conflict. Or if there was even any mention of the Traveler. But since they were in contact with the Ammonite civilization, who were uplifted by the Big Ball, we can assume the Ecumene had already gone through the same process thousands of years prior.

[tulip knoll]

How long were the hive at war with the ammonites for? Same length as the ecumene or were they both collectively at war with the hive at the same time?

[velvet flax]

We've only gotten a few named ones so far: Kavauust, Toniq, Vereziia, Nezarec, Omen, Axasaeniia

[dim minnow]

I thought it was Tonio for a while

[worn kernel]

not exactly sure for the time length.

[velvet flax]

Subjugators could be some form of Rhulk 'clone' however I feel Tormenters are more of a race under the Witness command

[ember storm]

their limbs are the exact same as rhulk's

[tulip knoll]

Honestly thinking about it now, theoretically what if the named tormentors are part of a pantheon next to nezarec? They’re names all have a similarity in a sense. Vereziia and Axaseniia sound as if they’re related. I could be wrong

[ember storm]

nezarec and tormentors also share the same limbs

[velvet flax]

Ye idk what argument you're trying to make

[ember storm]

it’s perfectly reasonable for them to be science experiments related to Rhulk rather than some random new alien species

[velvet flax]

Yea that's what I think Subjugators are

Tormenters though I feel are of an actual species

[tulip knoll]

To be fair, waltz theory adds up in the sense that in the trailer the subjugators also move like rhulk

In their fighting style

And they’re called subjugators which rhulk is known for being

But

Just a theory

Tormentors being an actual species tho seems plausible

Given the names of the tormentors

And how they all have a sort of similarity to nezarecs name in syllables and length except for toniq.

For example, Greek names or specifically the Greek gods all have names that sound similar in one way or another

To each other

So could it be that the psions worshipped all the tormentors and saw nezarec as the main god? Or something along the lines of that? Idk, but really thinking about it now tormentors don’t seem like clones

[languid gulch]

What happened to Eris

[gentle geyser]

Be more specific

[languid gulch]

Oh my bad

What happened that caused her to cover up her eyes

And why do they look like that

[ember storm]

well do you know her backstory

her fireteam went on to try and raid the hellmouth and kill crota

didn't work

she was basically the only survivor, and had no other option, and had to use an ahamkara bone to try and get out

[devout vine]

She lost one eye.....
And she recieved three more hive eyes after making a wish to the Ahamkara bone that she carries

[ember storm]

if you're unfamiliar, ahamkara are shape-shifters who feed off of desire while using their power to change reality

so they're basically like monkey's paws in the sense that if you try and make a wish, they might do it, but it will invariably screw you over

so while Eris wished to "know the way out" of the tunnels she was stuck in, it gave her that knowledge

while removing both of her eyes

[devout vine]

Better way to explain it is.....

They can grant wishes

But they have control of the wishes and what they bring

[ember storm]

that is literally what i just said yeah

[jagged badge]

It seems more so that she stole the eyes and grafted them to her herself

[ember storm]

have you not heard of monkeys paw?

[jagged badge]

Not that they’re the result of the wish

[devout vine]

I'm sure she mentioned that she had the eyes because of the wish

[ember storm]

nope

she had to physically take and replace them

[gentle geyser]

Eris had her fireteam wipe and said nah ima do my own thing, there thats the lore explained

[ember storm]

all the wish did was make her blind

[devout vine]

Basically 🤣

[ember storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikCtrwWadGw&ab_channel=DestinyLoreVault

the acolyte eyes aren't part of the wish

she just needed a replacement

[jagged badge]

The Cryptarchy were discussing this topic just the other day because it seems like there’s conflicting accounts of how she got her eyes and shit

[ember storm]

don't ask why she also put the third one in her forehead

[devout vine]

Wouldn't make sense if she didn't do that.....

It's hive related content

Gotta let it flow somehow

[jagged badge]

Also apparently even with the Hive eyes, Eris is blind?

[ember storm]

i don't know if you know this but humans don't have 3 eye sockets

[jagged badge]

Apparently she kinda sees differently

Maybe like a Daredevil situation

[gentle geyser]

Okay weather boy

[ember storm]

apparently eating hive eyes like grapes gives you the same experience as grafting them into your skull

drifter and eris had that one conversation about it in arrivals

[gentle geyser]

Yea

[jagged badge]

https://youtu.be/qJDSnD4XkVI?si=s40FS113pKMfXv8i

[ember storm]

then again it's also shown that her eyes not only move but actually react to the world around her

so who knows

either way, ahamkara took her eyes, she plopped hive ones in

end of story

[jagged badge]

Yeah that’s why I was confused when Tenos showed me that clip

She’s never given off the look that she’s blind at all

[devout vine]

If you think about it now....
It does make sense

Even when she talked to drifter about her experienced transformation

She never made eye contact

Not to mention, she only scanned his general direction

And not him entirely

[jagged badge]

I mean…does it? Hell, she shields her eyes from light in Shadowkeep lmao

Unless I’m just not that informed on how blindness works

Which could be the case

[devout vine]

I'd say she's more likely reacting that way because of the sensitivity to light

[ember storm]

it's just bungie being inconsistent and deciding this is what it's like this week

nothing more to do about it

[jagged badge]

I mean, this is idle dialogue from Shadowkeep so

[devout vine]

It'd be so sick if they added certain hints like that

It would make her blindness feel more authentic

Perhaps even show that she's even more skilled without them

Seeing as though...the blindness heightens the other senses

Along with the additional hive magic

[empty fern]

Wait so

Is this the first time we’ve heard of another species that held the light before us? The ammonites or something

[devout vine]

There are many civilisations that have been blessed by the light

[dim minnow]

Ammonites were known for a long time

you also had the Harmony

[devout vine]

Why the ammonites are special is because not only are they more advanced than humanity

They repelled XIVU

[dim minnow]

the Ammonites were the first species (not native to Fundament) that the Hive wiped out

[devout vine]

But of course...as amazing as they were...
Even they were cut down so easily

[devout vine]

Yh...
Alongside the helium drinkers

Separate species to their own

[dim minnow]

Helium Drinkers I think were the same species, just a different faction

[jagged badge]

I believe they’re referring to the difference between being blessed with the Light and wielding it

Think Golden Age humanity/the Eliksni vs us Lightbearers

Immaru seems to specifically mention them “having their own Light” as a parallel to us Lightbearers

[devout vine]

What would be really cool is if they had innovated alternate techniques to our own....

Perhaps molding the light into techniques we don't know about

[tulip knoll]

A simple analogy to describe an ahamkaras wish would be like if you wished for 20 billion dollars, the wish was granted but now money is worth nothing

Or very little

[ember storm]

a better one would be "i wish for a 20 billion bucks", so the ahamkara crushes you under the weight of 20 billion deer

[tulip knoll]

That works better Ye

Or like

[ember storm]

they don't even do it for the wishes sometimes

[tulip knoll]

If you wished for knowledge of everything

And instead

Idk

What would happen then

[ember storm]

they'll just hypnotize you and lure you off a cliff

[ember storm]

indiana jones scene where the lady's head explodes from all the universe's knowledge

[tulip knoll]

Oh Jesus yeah, I’m forgetting a lot of the consequences of an ahamkara wish result in dire consequences that usually involve death or anguish

The endless loop, eris’s eyes etc

Ironically enough the 2nd encounter cp for last wish, when you enter in the code it says I wish to be here forever. We end up using that cp to farm guns and catalysts

For hours

[devout vine]

Can you imagine if some outta pocket guardian made the most questionable wish to defeat riven....
How on earth would riven control it?

[ember storm]

elaborate

[devout vine]

Like...let's say a guardian makes a wish to....
Do the deed....
How would riven even control how the wish works in her favor?

[ember storm]

what

[jagged badge]

Let’s end this here

[devout vine]

It's stupid af...
A friend posed this question today and I was baffled

Everyone watched modern make that hypothetical to sweatcicle?

It was basically that...

[heady gyro]

Hmmm if it were

Riven would just..

I have no idea

[devout vine]

You know what...let's not answer

I need to drop this guy fr...
Dude asks the most weird ahh questions when I talk destiny with him

[heady gyro]

Someone's gotta do it

[wheat lava]

Me

[heady gyro]

It's him

[wheat lava]

I am him

[devout vine]

Remind me not to run Last wish with you then Lmao

[jagged badge]

Now’s a good time for me to remind y’all of rule 3

[heady gyro]

Gimme a sec

Ah i got it now

[devout vine]

It's best to stop anyway

[heady gyro]

Dont want to repeat the saint 14 incident i did last year

[devout vine]

Better discussion is.....
What you guys think of Eris?
You think she'll drown?

I reckon she might....
Or I'm saying that cuz I want more action

[heady gyro]

What she know about drowning in the deep

[devout vine]

And mostly because I like Dark Future lore

[ember storm]

that's a shame

[heady gyro]

I saw "drifter's rotting corpse" at some point and got sad

[devout vine]

I thought it was poetic

[heady gyro]

I hope it is

[devout vine]

Eris shed away her mortal attachments and became what she always thought she'd be

[jagged badge]

Nah I have confidence in her

[devout vine]

It looks like she's got it....

[jagged badge]

She’s in such a different place than her previous timeline counterpart

[devout vine]

Still....I wanna see more tragedy
It is a war after all

[ember storm]

got supporting friends and recovery from her past traumas?

youre right she does have that

[jagged badge]

She has a strong support network and a stronger personal basis anyway

[heady gyro]

We really are gonna beat the witness with friendship

[ember storm]

bomb logic has been a concept for years

it's existed longer than the witness has in a meta sense

[devout vine]

This is probably gonna sound weird af....but anyone else feel like the way Chioma esi and sundaresh's story went was perfect?

[ember storm]

perfect isn't the word i'd use

[devout vine]

I like the essence of tragedy in backstories

Helps give them a certain pull on the audience

[heady gyro]

Same, wish we saw civilians die

[trim grotto]

No. I trust Eris.

[heady gyro]

Same here, we cant have another hive issue on our hands

[gentle geyser]

I meeeean, episode 3

Not out of the realm of possibility

[heady gyro]

After final shape?

[real ingot]

We spent years certain we avoided the Dark Future

she'll be fine

[trim grotto]

it is very, very far removed from our timeline, yeah

[real ingot]

Eris at worst might die but even then

Things are happening

[outer dragon]

So the story this week, the Ammonites beat Xivu?

Explain pls

[real ingot]

hmm?

which line specifically

[outer dragon]

The radio message at then end of the weekly quest.

[real ingot]

The ammonites retreated to their Leviathan to aid it

[trim grotto]

I haven't heard it. But from my BoS knowledge, they didn't do very well.

[outer dragon]

I need to reread the BoS been too damn long

[smoky rose]

It's happened multiple times

You can beat the god of war, bungie's writing on that front is actually ass

If you just kill her army she gets more power but she runs out of tribute lines and dies

The whole "we can't fight her" line is so fucking stupid

The Ecumene would have won entirely if it weren't for oryx learning how to take

[real ingot]

Keep in mind since then all tribute is passing to Xivu and her army has grown to likely trillions at this point

Hive are great with swarm tactics

ntm lack of tribute isn't instant

eradicating her entire tithe system would give a bit of time where she is entirely unkillable

likely unsurvivable

she dies right after

[brittle mortar]

Hey everyone, I just finished The Lament quest and aparently Banshee is Clovis? the father of elizabeth and her sister??

and the gigant robot head is not actually clovis but his AI?

[smoky rose]

Not father

[ember storm]

basically, clovis is at the end of his life and wants to become an exo, but also recognizes that doing so effectively resets you as a person, so he also makes an ai copy to act in his stead

this ends up backfiring as the now-exo clovis despises him and everything he stood for, eventually removing his memories of it all and adopting a new life as banshee

[brittle mortar]

I didn't know Banshee's lore was cool, but at the end of The Lament quest he gets his memory back, right?

[ember storm]

yeah but he hasn't really done anything about it

there was a little hint that he'd spoken about it to ana but it's not outright stated

[brittle mortar]

and Elizabeth (exo stranger) is from a different timeline where Ana was corrupted by the darkness and the darkness took over the universe?

[trim grotto]

Well, yes and no.

She's been through countless timelines. That one was merely a single version.

[ember storm]

it's more like a groundhog day loop rather than jumping to another timeline

[trim grotto]

That too. She shares our past.

[ember storm]

things go bad, she's brought right back to a specific moment

[trim grotto]

She is, in many ways, still "our" Elsie.

[brittle mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-gif-11131691

damn Destiny's lore is interesting

[round junco]

So we fight skolas and the queen takes him in d1. I heard u fight him again in prison of elders and he was almost impossible to beat. Why was that?

[round junco]

Could it be a vex mind jumping her through time?

Or maybe shes the vex mind doing it?

[smoky rose]

No particular lore reason for him being so difficult

Bungie just way overtuned him

They actually had to nerf that bossfight

[round junco]

Dang i was hoping to fight something like that soon. I just did a lvl 41 poe for the variiks quest

[smoky rose]

Its still quite hard

But when it released it was actually insane

[round junco]

Ill go watch a vid on it

Thanks!

[cold onyx]

My theory is the 15th wish was rivens curse on the dreaming city

[smoky rose]

Nah it seems like the 15 wishes are unrelated to that

Given we only started finding them well after the curse

The curse was just a wish savathun made, not a wish wall thing

[cold onyx]

Then does the 15th wish exist

[smoky rose]

Well

We don't knwo

[slim elk]

Question remains to what end the curse was to

Savathun never has an obvious answer to her schemes

It's still the biggest loose end of the Witch Queen

[smoky rose]

you just answered your own question

[slim elk]

Put it this way.
All this season in powering up Eris
Could we hijack all the "tithing" from the curse?

[smoky rose]

For savathun, figuring out how to stop the curse tithed to her

That was the end

Infinite imbaru generator

[slim elk]

And.. that's exactly what we need to Amp up Eris

[smoky rose]

Eris needs Vengeance

and it seems like we have an infinite source with the omelette or whatever

[slim elk]

That's where I disagree.
Eris even said it bluntly in mission dialogue

Xivus now not the only "God of strife".. the "domains" are overlapping

Why not hijack Savathuns old tithing streams?

[smoky rose]

The thing with xivu is that she's after vengeance

So Eris is hijacking that to some extent

Vengeance for Oryx, for her father

[slim elk]

Yep
And that happened way before Eris decided to claim it

[smoky rose]

But she wasn't exactly gaining power from it

She was just gaining power from the fighting

That was her motivation to fight though

Eris is gaining power from that motivation

When Xivu fights us, she gets power from the fight, eris gets power from Xivu's vengeance

If you want to power up eris, let her kill Savathun

The amount of vengeance from that would be pretty spectacular

[slim elk]

Bingo lol

And from Eris comments that even Crucible powers her up...

See the loophole yet?

[smoky rose]

Yeah because that fucker farmed me

Son of a bitch Imma kill him

[slim elk]

Literally just have us kill Savathun repeatedly but no crushing immaru

Should work by the rules set

A nice trick to it lol

[real ingot]

THE MAD LAD
KELL OF KELLS
CHAMPION OF ELDERS
SKOLAS

[rich veldt]

is this powerscalling?

[grand jungle]

Idk just seen it on tiktok

[rich veldt]

i couldnt tell

[low gyro]

Why not fight the Lightblade version

Kelgorath, Taken from Bones vs Alak-hul the Lightblade

[heady gyro]

Wait, is banshee the copy or is big head?

[fresh zephyr]

what???

big head, you mean clovis bray?

[heady gyro]

I was reading up on clovis lore

[heady gyro]

Yep

[fresh zephyr]

the big head is clovis bray

[trim grotto]

Technically, both are copies.

That's how the process works.

[fresh zephyr]

is banshee like an actual clovis clone?

as in

his uh

fuck

the uh

word

[tulip knoll]

Crota was lore accurate for 2 days

[fresh zephyr]

consciousness

[trim grotto]

Yes. Clovis was scanned and uploaded into Clovis-1, and eventually became Banshee.

[fresh zephyr]

even if he is, I mean, he was reset (or whatever exos do) 44 times

[fresh zephyr]

ah

[tulip knoll]

All of that happened within a short span of time, the more it happens the more the exo becomes “unhinged” he’s been 44 for centuries

[fresh zephyr]

clovis <<<< banshee-44

[fresh zephyr]

just waiting for bungo to make it 45

[blazing wasp]

-number doesn't mean centuries lived

Wait

I severely misread that

I'm so sorry

[jagged badge]

L bozo

[analog torrent]

How much lore is there regarding Guardians and how they mourn deceased Guardians? I'd imagine it hits harder because they're semi-immortal and don't have the expectation that their friends will die, and they have less opportunities to adjust to it since they don't go through the expected mourning process for parents/relatives. On the flipside, they live incredibly long, dangerous, and violent lives, so maybe they do expect it and/or they're desensitized to death, even if it's permanent.

I've read about Hunters and their red streak, some of the Cayde stuff, and Eriana-3, but I haven't read about any of the Eris lore, post-Ironsbane Saladin, Osiris and Saint, Shin Malphur, Drifter, and whatever else I'm missing.

[empty fern]

I think shaw has a comment on it

He’s still pretty shaken by maeves death

In game dialogue

[safe galleon]

I imagine like all grief, different people process differently and react differently to it

which sounds like a copout, but it's true

[analog torrent]

yeah that'd make sense

[opaque bobcat]

I think death carries the same weight in destiny because there’s nothing too different about the way ikora and Zavala react to cayde’s death compared to someone else

[empty fern]

A

[jagged badge]

Yeah a final death to Guardians is gonna hit

Like how when Eriana lost Wei Ning, she devised a whole assassination attempt on her killer out of grief and revenge

[empty fern]

Starting to think crotas power was to make others reckless with revenge,

[slim elk]

Might be Eris' Power now lol

Hive God of Vengeance and all

[empty fern]

Kek

Eris suddenly gets green and translucent

[slim elk]

She's already getting green magic glows

As for Xivu... eh. Don't know about hyping her up like this

For someone who should be war incarnate, she sure hides a lot

We are 2 for 3 in Top Hive God kills. Throw in a few Disciples on top of it..

Think would at least show in person instead of throwing mooks at us and hiding in the Dreadnought

[jagged badge]

She can’t attack us directly

She would empower Eris that way

[safe galleon]

i mean war doesn't necessarily mean active combat. she's more like a general. high ranking military officials aren't typically found on the front lines of a war

[jagged badge]

So she’s currently fighting this war of attrition with us

Throwing her troops at us so that she gains power from the conflict

[safe galleon]

like, she gains power from conflict, yeah, but she's still in like, a leadership role

[slim elk]

shrug
Like said, just feel the circumstances would be appropriate for her personally showing up

We did kill her entire family after all

[jagged badge]

[jagged badge]

Which is exactly why she can’t attack us

She would be attacking in vengeance, and empower Eris whilst also being a hypocrite to the Sword Logic

[empty fern]

No one to tithe her in higher circles?

[slim elk]

On that note..
Eris made an interesting comment this mission on now Xivu wasn't the "only God of strife"

[empty fern]

What is strife again?

Just angy?

[jagged badge]

Oh yeah I clipped that when I heard it. Is that a reference to her namesake?

[slim elk]

Strife:angry or bitter disagreement over fundamental issues; conflict:

[devout vine]

Better thing to think on.....
What if the lucent hive in more difficult activities could insta res three times and then go back to usual spawn time?

[slim elk]

Its more me questioning... why aren't we hijacking Savathuns old tithe streams if Eris can make claims in Xivus own?

[empty fern]

Be quiet

[devout vine]

Hehehehehe

Suffering begins...

[empty fern]

Shit ain’t lore, get to lore

[jagged badge]

Savathûn isn’t being tithed to anymore

[empty fern]

Can a dead person still be tithed?

[jagged badge]

Irrelevant. She doesn’t get tithes since becoming a Lightbearer

[empty fern]

Oh yea

[devout vine]

Well it was pretty funny ig....
More on lore...
You guys think elsie will intervene this time despite her inactivity in her dark future?

She did say she made different choices....perhaps this is one of them

[empty fern]

Probably

[slim elk]

Like..
We literally had a "murder battery" from the dreaming city for the past few years

[empty fern]

We’ll find out next week

[slim elk]

Can't we hijack that?

[empty fern]

Riven or incarnu?

[devout vine]

If she ain't jumping eris...something ain't right...

[slim elk]

The whole curse where it's trapped in a 3 week cycle of conflict

[empty fern]

Oh

[slim elk]

Surely we could grab that and maybe Imbaru in general right?

Or more creative with Eris claiming even Crucible amps her..
Revive Savathun and have us kill her multiple times

[empty fern]

Ehhhh

Too gruesome for bungie in game

[devout vine]

I think it'll all be according to savathuns design in the end...
What I mean is that part of savathuns plan would require eris to hold dominion over xivu and become the new oryx

Hence the two witches foreseen in the dark future

But savathun is overshadowed by eris

Also here's a crazy thing....
How powerful you think one tithe invigorates eris?

[trim grotto]

Well, that's... there isn't really a singular definition of "a" tithe.

[slim elk]

You say.. as we are jumping into a prison to massacre any and all prisoners down there with the express purpose to tithe their deaths to a Hive God lol

[trim grotto]

It depends who and what killed it, and what was killed

[devout vine]

Well considering the three bosses killed now....
How much you think she has accumulated in power?

[empty fern]

Yep

[devout vine]

It's funny too...it's like actual Canon powerscaling

[empty fern]

You are weird

[trim grotto]

Well, we're godslayers who take no cut of the tribute for ourselevs. Every fight, in the Throne World or elsewhere, is empowering her, with no spread of power through a pyramid scheme.

So, she'd get strong quick.

[devout vine]

How so?

[slim elk]

Sword Logic=EXP points

[empty fern]

Just weird

[devout vine]

Elaborate

[empty fern]

I will not

[devout vine]

The cutscenes with her binding the tithes is gonna be so sick

[devout vine]

Fair enough...

[jagged badge]

Huh?

[devout vine]

Its in the trailer

[empty fern]

[devout vine]

I can hear the sound too lmao....
Gotta log back into D2 and crack Misraaks head in two

[trim grotto]

[devout vine]

New lore discussion....
Lakshmi-2 and her supposed backstory either being kept secret or perhaps erased...

[jagged badge]

Oh, this?

[devout vine]

Yep

It looks amazing

Sword is cool too

[empty fern]

Oooo

Sword

Make it an exotic, with like a better sword logic perk

[devout vine]

It'll probably become a legendary like Lubraes ruin

[empty fern]

Probably

[devout vine]

Sword logic perk is busted af

Hard to believe its not being redone..

[jagged badge]

It’s probably just Night Terror

She’s used it before

[devout vine]

At this point....ngl, Xivu definitely needs to be done via a raid

She's too busted and powerful to be dropped now

[trim grotto]

looks like it

[empty fern]

Ah

[empty fern]

Why was hashladun important again? And why is she a strike boss?

[jagged badge]

Hashladûn was a daughter of Crota

[devout vine]

Crota's daughter....
She was also manipulated by savathun

[empty fern]

Ah

[devout vine]

Just as crota's brother was

Nokris

I feel like the lucent hive have lost every sort of chance of being redeemable lightbearers

[jagged badge]

Meh. It’s only because they were manipulated by Savathûn and even psychically enslaved by her

We know some Hive Lightbearers were even egged on by their Ghosts to do bad shit

I feel bad for them

[trim grotto]

Also, same thing was said about the Eliksni and Cabal in the past.

[ember storm]

and now Immaru is having us kill a bunch of them

seriously what is his problem

I knew he was a shit person but hes actively sabotaging himself so he can try and pull a redditor “you’re the real bad…” and that’s not even working

[slim elk]

Remember what Drifter said about some dark age ghosts bring utter assholes?

[ember storm]

he can’t formulate sentences or points on his own at all so he just plays Savathun recordings

he’s pathetic

[slim elk]

Pretty sure your looking at one

He's a coward trying to act tough because he lucked out and got to revive one of the most infamous names in Destiny

He knows his leverage is pretty weak and he's trying to annoy us at every turn because he's that petty

(Thus the Lucent Hive still being hostile to us while we are casually having Immaru on comms)

[ember storm]

I would love it if at the end of all of this Savathun just looked at him like “what the fuck are you doing”

[slim elk]

Just need Ikora to stop being stupid really

Make good on her threat to throw Immaru in a box

[empty fern]

Savathun herself crushed immaru for being an absolute dunce

Therefore needing the hive saga

[slim elk]

Name me one reason why we haven't strapped an arc band to Immaru and started using him as a paperweight in the HELM lol

He's not assisting us, the Lucent Hive still throw themselves at what should be allies...

Even the Player Guardian straight up grabbed him and started squeezing with no one complaining

[safe galleon]

it'd be funny to imagine that he's been sending out the wrong enemies for tithings and stuff. she wakes up and looks at immaru and is like "hey uh. where's the whole legion of hive lightbearers i left in reserve here"

[ember storm]

Immaru, definitely not realizing he just forgot to give them new orders: “uhhh yeah that’s just their orders from Savathun can’t do a thing about it”

[slim elk]

Ironically the only "valid" point Immaru has is actually from Savathuns observations

The part where we always claim "self defense"... yet clearly enjoy fighting

[safe galleon]

that's not ironic at all. irony is contrary to what's expected. we all already know he is a dumbass who's just parroting savathun

[slim elk]

"They kill gods for fun and turn them into guns for a meme. They genocide entire races for loot"
-Zavala

[safe galleon]

its like saying 'wow it's really ironic that i heard a rooster call this morning' no its not. thats what they do. theyre famous for it

[devout vine]

You have to remember tho that Immaru is among many other ghosts who weren't as forgiving or even empathetic as the ones we know

To him.....having us destroy the lucent brood is pathetic so to speak

But more of an opportunity

To wield us as his weapon...
Like eris, the vanguard, spider and others have

[ember storm]

against his own weapons that are wholly subservient to him

yeah totally a great opportunity

he's just a moron

[devout vine]

Its all apart of the plan....even if it costs the lucent hive forces...
Savathun and immaru are akin in nature...
Only difference is....immaru prefers to keep it real

Other than that....
Yh, he might be a moron...but savathun has us in check...
Dealing with Xivu

[ember storm]

as if we're being played

it's literally a thing we want to and have been dealing with for ages

[devout vine]

But if we fought Xivu our way...it would only invigorate her

Make her stronger

Redo her cycle of immortality until we lose

Using hive magic and fighting via the sword logic is the most logical solution

[ember storm]

we are fighting her our way

it's eris' way

not savathun's

[devout vine]

It is....until it isn't...
Every other dark guardian has drowned before....

Eris will be the exception I think...but we all can see the toll its taking

[ember storm]

did you forget the entire point of BL

we've been using darkness for good for years

[devout vine]

I haven't....
We understand the darkness

And it's not antagonistic

Rather synergistic

But we don't know much about the workings of hive magic

Eris has stopped herself from becoming the witch queen of the dark future

But like the witness being sent away....
Perhaps it'll either be a prolonged inevitability...
Or she'll rise

I think she'll rise...

[slim elk]

Here's the fault your making
Sword Logic ain't Hive. It's Dark or from Witness

And it's not always "kill everything"

Look at oryx.. he "fed" his worm through seeking understanding

[devout vine]

That's true...I'd say sword logic might be akin to addiction...that seems to make more sense...

Prove your existence

Get stronger

And repeat the cycle

[ember storm]

how's that an addiction

[devout vine]

Wouldn't you wanna become the strongest in existence?

[ember storm]

hive are forcibly fed a worm at birth

they're forced to kill or else they'll be eaten from the inside out

[slim elk]

In truth
Sword Logic is more.... being true to one's own nature rather then the perversions we see

[ember storm]

also eris of all people understands the allure of darkness

it's almost like we had an entire story arc revolving around an incredibly similar concept in terms of dark power being corruptive (beyond light)

[devout vine]

If that is the case....
Maybe we'll see eris at her most powerful

[ember storm]

a story which eris strove past temptation

[slim elk]

Flip the side your looking at
Making Guardians realize what their nature is heh

Rather.. making our own Destiny out of what we choose to do

Not dogma dictated by those who don't understand anything about the world they live in

Shatter the blind faith as it were

[devout vine]

Maybe this is already known....but what if our breaking of fate from the dark future was caused by integrating ourselves in the corridors of time

We brought back saint and created a ripple in history....

Maybe that caused us to have an immense effect on the timeline

[ember storm]

it didn't

the sundial was specifically designed to not operate that way, specifically because Saint's fate was tied to the nature of the infinite forest

[empty fern]

Who is the leviathan eater

[ember storm]

most of the worm gods ate the leviathan

but i'm assuming you're looking at something else

[empty fern]

I’m looking at the alternative zalmak model

In the new seasonal mission

[devout vine]

Heres a question lore related....you think the pale heart takes time to deteriorate from the inside...

Or perhaps the witness requires time Maybe?

[empty fern]

Conjure I think

[rich veldt]

was it not more us destroying the black heart?

[devout vine]

That's true...but the black heart only forged a corruptible effect and didn't achieve the witness's objective

[ember storm]

none of the dark futures never reached this point

so none of them would ever revolve around the final shape

[devout vine]

It'll be nice to learn how Cayde comes back....

And hopefully if he becomes a permanent addition again and not a phantom of some sort

[echo fjord]

hes going to become the locations vendor

[empty fern]

Watch him be the new evidence board, there for 1 exotic then forgotten

[little gorge]

the same way everything else in the pale heart came back

aka, they're not back the traveller just happens to have literally everything inside of it and it manifests around us based on our experiences

[fierce dune]

I wish we had a single tidbit of lore as to explaining why the traveler buried itself or was buried under the sand on a desolate planet with the veil an entire galaxy away

[ember storm]

i mean i'm fairly certain that's a major plot point that we're just not supposed to know yet

the next expansion is all about the inner workings of the traveler and what a unification with the veil really does

what better time to delve into both their origins?

[fierce dune]

I expect their origins to be the same

[fierce dune]

And I expect the next episodes to just tie things up. Like with fikrul. He wasn’t under command of the witness at least I don’t think and I don’t think he’d try to go into the traveler. Unification of both opens up into the realm of the pale heart, where basically concepts become reality. Memories are physical and creation is in the hands of who can grab it.

[sour galleon]

Why is there sand in the new vex network map

[fierce dune]

Because sand can be simulated?

[ember storm]

i'm assuming because that part is referencing Mars?

would there happen to also be white rocks or mossy swamps

oh no the map literally says it's on Mars

you're just in a vex network node housed on mars

[fierce dune]

I like my explanation

[ember storm]

realistic sand physics is exactly why the vex are so dangerous

[sour galleon]

Ah

Did not know the map was on mars

[fierce dune]

It’s simulated course and rough

[jagged badge]

Apparently it’s the Infinite Forest

According to one of the TWIDs

[ember storm]

i do not care for whatever the twab/twid writers come up with

they're not writing the lore

especially not after they say stuff like "weapons of sorrow like thorn have interactions with necrotic grips"!

also the map intro literally just says Mars

maps in the infinite forest specify the infinite forest

[peak coral]

i think the twid writers gain access of writing random things as long as it clicks with bungies info given to them

[smoky rose]

There's a part that ties into the infinite forest on mercury

Now that's that

Basically trying to shove in an explanation

[ember storm]

there doesn't need to be an explanation it can just exist

[smoky rose]

The real reason is because bungie needed to provide a way for people to visually identify parts of the map

[ember storm]

also the network aesthetic is cool but i miss the big open structures like the top of that venus spire or the pyramidion

too much neon nowadays

[smoky rose]

Because if it was pure vex network, you'd quickly get lost

[devout vine]

Legit me forgetting the objectives in season of the splicer and just admiring the setting

It was amazing to behold

https://tenor.com/view/kazoo-kid-wow-amazed-awkward-looking-gif-5484661

[dim minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fb0gvoeaPE

looks like we got an answer to Sel

she isn't actually a worm god, but was instead a proto-worm like her sister, Ahsa

[ember storm]

cool

so were the others too cringe to chant with the others or what

[devout vine]

Legit just said imma do my own thing and dipped

What a gigachad move

[vagrant bluff]

what is an ammonite

[smoky rose]

The first civilization the hive waged war against beyond their home planet

[vagrant bluff]

oh

[little gorge]

why does this make me think ahsa will not find time to rest

[rough axle]

what if its all a dream we wake up and it was all a dream

boom

🤯

[fast tapir]

dreaming city

[dim minnow]

they don't know the Dreaming City is built on a real-life asteroid shaped into a disc

[trim grotto]

4 Vespa? What did they get for Vespa?

[blazing wasp]

The city isn't dreamt, its the city that is dreaming

Don't wake it up it needs its nap

[jagged badge]

I know you’re joking but this doesn’t make sense considering how much information we know from different POVs

[rough axle]

it was js a joke yeahh

i dont read lore or shit man lol

[slim perch]

who the hell are the ammonites

or

ammonia

whatever immaru said

[versed orbit]

a species from fundament that got fucked by the hive

[trim grotto]

Their civilisation was on the moons above Fundament, blessed by the Traveler.

They were the first major casualty of the Hive after they escaped the planet itself.

[rough axle]

nah actually that wouldnt really be that cool i take it back

i fw how it is rn

[cloud gust]

What does Aiat mean?

(Totally not asking so I can use it irl )

[ember storm]

amen

it is what it is

[cloud gust]

Both of those?

[ember storm]

basically

[cloud gust]

Epic

[velvet flax]

I love how Aiat has been said since at least the Taken King and now everyone asks about it lmao

[ember storm]

can't expect destiny players to read

[velvet flax]

True

[rich wyvern]

aiat moment

i view it as sort of between amen and hallelujah

[jagged badge]

Aiat.```

[rich wyvern]

ah so in terms of literal translation it's like "So it is"

or "so be it"

which is what "amen" means in hebrew or something

[empty fern]

It is what it is

[devout vine]

🤣 that's basically it....
Imagine just that instead of Aiat

[empty fern]

Xivu preaching to eris then at the end

It is what it is” (guardian? What the hell is a itiswatitis)

[stuck spoke]

what happened to ghaul aafter he died?
how and why did he become huge and like was glowing
also what killed him at the end

[bitter stratus]

He tried to get the travelers power but died or something idk

I think it's a skill issue on ghauls part

[velvet flax]

He forcibly took the Light of the Traveller and after we defeated him he had taken such an amount he sort of burned up

[smoky rose]

He took the light for himself

Now the rule is that you can’t take the light

You can be given the light, that is all

Taking it is illegal

So the traveler bitchslapped him for it

[ember storm]

the reason he turned all big and glowy was because he used a bootleg version of Radiance, the D1 warlock super that would rez you and give you major ability regen

so he gets all yellow and grows wings

i think we're getting a version of it in FS, actually?

[empty fern]

Mmmmmaybe?

It’s similar in regen ability

[rich wyvern]

no self-rez, but you get constant grenade and melee spam

[smoky rose]

Ya Song of Flame

[fierce dune]

Wasn’t ghaul a warlock when he took the light lol

I mean he used the fire blades and flying I forgot what he did for void and arc but I remember calling him a warlock and bitch slapping his ass with sun shot

[ember storm]

he basically used a mixture of sentinel and nova

arc was just shooting balls

[vapid nebula]

is the Ron grass area the same as on the edge of the enclave? and what is that?

[real ingot]

The what

[outer dragon]

No

The grass area you can see from the Enclave is on Mars and is the result of temporal anomalies from the Witness's search for information on Neomuna.

RoN is wholly contained within the Pyramid that the Traveler blasted during the opening cutscene for Lightfall

[dim minnow]

I'm still wondering if that was why the Witness was searching Mars in the first place

the Witness knew the Veil was somewhere, but how would it know about Neomuna?

and I doubt reactivating Ares Spire was on purpose

[dim minnow]

huh, so I guess the "supplemental" lore books for each season are officially referred to as "anthology" by Bungie

[unique remnant]

Would prime nezerac beat rhulk? If so do we know exactly how strong he was in his prime?

[jagged badge]

We don’t

Powerscaling is silly

[dim minnow]

and you need to account for mental attacks/resistance to them

[ember storm]

nezarec is cooler

discussion over

[dim minnow]

even if you can topple someone physically, it doen't matter if they can subdue you mentally fast enough

pretty much Juggernaut vs Professor X from x-men

only reason the Juggernaut would have an advantage is because his helmet protects him from Charles' mental powers

[real ingot]

Comparing the two is impossible but I’d wager Nez has more trust from the Witness than Rhulk

[dim minnow]

we don't even have enough info to compare

[slim elk]

From what was said, it was datamining Rasputins logs for potential references

[dim minnow]

the Vex were looking for info, but I want to know how the Witness would even think to look there

the Lightfall intro told us that the Witness didn't even know where the Veil was until that point

[slim elk]

Rasputin had the greatest surveillance system in Sol so...

It's a reasonable place to start

[dim minnow]

Ares Spire had little to do with him though

[slim elk]

Your being way too overfocused lol

[dim minnow]

kind of surprised how the Vex could of used it to imprison the subminds come to think of it

[slim elk]

I'm not talking Ares Spire

I'm talking the Mindlab where it parked a giant ass Pyramid lol

Get access to the databank there, tear it apart for any reference to the Veil

[dim minnow]

I was talking about Ares Spire

because the Witness somehow knew that some random Golden Age facility that was reactivated purely by accident would have info pertaining to the Veil's location

[slim elk]

Way I view the events
Tore apart Rasputins main hub and traced a human enclave named "Nefele Stronghold" that resisted Vex incursions post collapse

Precise location couldn't be found, but the origin of it (messages of the ships that went there) could

Follow the breadcrumbs to Ares Spire...

[dim minnow]

then we prevent the Witness from narrowing it down

[slim elk]

Bingo
It could figure out it was likely on Neptune somewhere from the Vex screwing with its history

The fact alone Vex persistently assaulted and were repelled by Neomuna would attract attention. You need paracausal force to pull that off

And the Light forces had no knowledge Neomuna existed nor were any evidence of it around Neptune

[dim minnow]

I did always think that the entirety of Y5 was about the Witness tracking down the Veil

[candid owl]

Are there any instances in the lore of wholly pacifistic Guardians?

[dim minnow]

Iron Lady Efrideet

well

not really

[slim elk]

Yep. Might be an enclave of them Efrideet went to

[dim minnow]

but she does know abotu a pacifist colony

but Efrideet herself

she stacked hella Cabals to the walls during the Red War

[slim elk]

The colonys probably been decimated and Efrideets head on a pike somewhere at this stage TBH

[dim minnow]

Efrideet wouldn't go down easy

[slim elk]

But yeah
Your fault was being overly focused on Ares Spire and forgetting the end of Witch Queen post campaign quests gave us the name Nefele Stronghold lol

Thanks to Esis conspiracy we know that transmission happened at least decade after the collapse (probably more)

She couldn't purge all of Rasputins data on them, did manage to wipe the location save for Rasputins "hard storage" which was off the network

[outer dragon]

Good question maybe it thought old Braytech had info? The Witness had forces get into Rasputin's files during Sereph right?
Ares Spire just being deus ex machina

[merry olive]

so uh that third page of rites of passage

that doesn't mean what i think it does regarding mithrax does it

[dim minnow]

can you specify

[merry olive]

his hand is going numb when using the splicer gauntlet, his whole chest went numb when he drew a card, and he drew the ascension card

could this be related to like
some side effect from handling and processing the remains of nezarec in plunder

[fiery copper]

how does it feel being morally inferior to me because you think differently (bad) ?

[grand jungle]

whos xita?

[real ingot]

Worm in Vow

Mother worm from which the rest came from

[grand jungle]

did rhulk kill it?

[foggy fiber]

No

It’s in the vow of the disciple raid powering his super weapon

[real ingot]

See it was alive during the raid

Killing Rhulk and deactivating THE UPENDED killed it

[trim grotto]

Or powering the Upended in the first place. You see her flesh burn and char the further into the raid you go.

[ember storm]

aiat

[empty fern]

Crispy, think drifter would take a bite?

[slim elk]

who says he hasn't already?

[empty fern]

Oooo

Lore nerds, find the entry where differ takes a bite out of xita

[trim grotto]

||he hasn't||

[empty fern]

[empty fern]

Death

[pale quest]

not very lore significant but do you think you could charge your phone on the subzero salvo rocket launcher

[jagged badge]

Yes

[peak coral]

probably

[empty fern]

Definitely

[fiery copper]

It is a power weapon after all

[vestal summit]

What does Aiat mean?

[smoky rose]

Basically amen for the hive

More technically it means all will go the way it must, and the way it must go is struggle, or something to that effect

[jagged badge]

Aiat.```

[vestal summit]

Thanks Eris.

[smoky rose]

If you want a fun fact Caiatl is C aiat l

It’s part of her name because of the OXA

[smoky rose]

the cabal named the brightest star Caiatl which given ^ is quite appropriate for their culture

Caiatl was then named after the star

[vestal summit]

She also definitively took an L agains't the hive.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1066127680564629566.webp?size=48&name=KEKW~1&quality=lossless

[tawdry mauve]

i wouldnt say so

[tawdry mauve]

i still dont get the significance between oxta and taox

like yeah its an anagrama

but like whats the implication

did she build it?

[smoky rose]

Computerized Taox, probably

[tawdry mauve]

damn

taox was still krill right

when she betrayed the siblings

or whatever

[smoky rose]

Yes

She flew around in a cryopod to various civilizations

[tawdry mauve]

so taox had the ability to predict the future then?

[smoky rose]

Presumably at some point she was gonna die so she got turned into a computer

[tawdry mauve]

just like on her own

[smoky rose]

No

[tawdry mauve]

isnt that what oxta does?

[smoky rose]

The predictions for the future were literally just people going “damn that legend was rough, the hive fucked them up” and then the hive showed up and fucked them up too

Like they thought the stuff in there was a legend

[tawdry mauve]

so

they find computerized taox

it gets destroyed

otzot builds it again

and then what

is it still back on torobatl

[ember storm]

it’d be funny if it were stuck on torobotl until Xivu invaded and the first thing Taox sees in years is her

[tawdry mauve]

almost poetic

but i feel bad for taox

kinda

[grand jungle]

didnt zavala hv a wife what happened to her

[wheat lava]

He had a son with her

His wife and son died to raiders of some kind (fallen I believe)

[grand jungle]

whos the son

oh dam

welp im gonna go to europa brb

[tawdry mauve]

adopted son

of course

[wheat lava]

He was adopted?

[tawdry mauve]

its still largely unconfirmed but guardians seem to be 100% sterile

[tawdry mauve]

https://youtu.be/amS9Ma4mBEg?t=96 1:35

talks about hakim

[languid gulch]

Damn

[green cobalt]

Hakim (Timelost)

[languid gulch]

I would hit too

[grand jungle]

so why cant lightbearers hv childern?

like cant bear them not adopted

[tawdry mauve]

they just cant

same reason they cant remember their past or sweat

they simply cannot

[grand jungle]

Ah dam that sucks

[outer dragon]

Yeah, big sadge

But it kinda goes against the Gardener's philosophy to not allow Lightbearers to have kids. Doesn't that remove a free will choice?

[tawdry mauve]

not really

having kids is a privilege not a right

[languid gulch]

If we can't remember our past after we are brought back how do we succeed in anything

[tawdry mauve]

litterally you have 100 walking examples in game rn

of all the successful guardians who cannot remember their past lol

[outer dragon]

We also have a fantastic example of a guardian who knows their past and saved the Guardian's bacon so many times including during Sereph

[worn kernel]

Think of us like zombies. We may not look like rotting corpses, but we essentially are brought back from the dead.

And I doubt anything…works down there if you’re a guardian.

[torpid flint]

So basically…

The light gives free birth control

[tawdry mauve]

pretty much yes

[torpid flint]

I didn’t expect that to be an agreeable statement

[dull raft]

it is technically the truth

[torpid flint]

Yes but so is sphere vs pyramid

[smoky rose]

We don't actually know either way but money is on no

It hasn't been explicitly stated we can't

Zavala adopted his son, Saladin can't

But it's not stated if Saladin can't because of a condition or an oath or because guardian moment

[worn kernel]

I find it kind of sad lightbearers aren’t able to have children as their own flesh and blood. I’m not saying it’s something we’d all want, but I always liked to think some guardians thought about it in their life, a normal living being raising a family.

[outer dragon]

Its never been explicitly stated EVERY Guardian can't. Only that Saladman can't. Obviously the fact we have no known examples despite 100s of years leans into the expectation that Lightbearers physically can't have them. IT could also be simply that the writing team never thought they would need to tackle the subject.

[deft marsh]

So the writers didn't think about what they wrote perfect sense

Sounds very Destiny

I think they just fire people that had the story web and are left with wtf are we looking at here story boarding

[outer dragon]

Yeah, its been 9 years since the launch of the series

[deft marsh]

And it's broken line of thought and progression how many times

[outer dragon]

They make the ancillary story up as they go

[deft marsh]

Exactly

It's freestyle but they haven't mastered the art of flow

So it's confounded

What about all the story parts integral to the tale that just aren't accessible anymore

Don't know the story oh well that's their approach more players have left than ever stuck around and the new converts soon burnout whether it be from the lackluster art of storytelling the toxic community or the fact they decided hey I'm not gonna suffer this solo mindset either way it is what it is

I wipe lobbies in pvp yet as a solo I'm gNked robbed and left to suffer it makes zero less than zero sense

I have a maxed warlock and refuse rerunnibg that story all over again solo

[outer dragon]

LOL its a bit much

You can try #clan-recruitment for a clan

[deft marsh]

It's nonsense I live challenging being left to get ganged out of a hour or more solo fight and set back is noncondusive to keeping players around
And my skill level is far above average

Love*

And then begging in legs for help to get replies from countless people making jokes that if they were in my pvp lobby would be begging for help its nonsense

Lfgs*

99.9 percent of the players are garbage and act like they're Barry bonds

Ain't happening pimping let's hit that solo private pvp lobby if anyone ever wants to speak foul to me beat me first put me in my place otherwise yall talk alot and have proven null

[arctic iron]

@deft marsh sir

this is lore channel

pls vent elsewhere

or to bungie

🙏

[deft marsh]

I have a clan
I'm the only one in iti left the last one I started when they started adding people that I don't want to play with
I want top rank players like I am I ain't carrying nothing at all ever

Handouts ain't happening

[languid gulch]

Oh my gahd

[devout nimbus]

Enough of that

[languid gulch]

Enough yip yap bucko

[shrewd sand]

D2 lore gets SERIOUS🙏🙏

[analog torrent]

Lore related: whiny guardians get fed a pellet from Felwinter's Lie via the enigmatic Iron Lord himself

[shrewd sand]

⁉️

[outer dragon]

Felwinter using a flying knee was sick, dude should have pulled up on on Shaxx with that

[languid gulch]

Why is saint 14 so sexy

[outer dragon]

Probably would have still lost but would have been cool

[peak coral]

cross class ability

[deft marsh]

OTHERWISE ain't nobody trying to hear you

[peak coral]

sure whats bungie id

[arctic iron]

neither are we

pls stop

[analog torrent]

Titan

[peak coral]

🤨 actually what started it

[outer dragon]

Have we seen Saint without his hemet or armor? Like we know he is an Exo bit other than that do we know what he looks like¿

[analog torrent]

yeah one sec lemme grab the image

[peak coral]

nezcafe cutscene

[analog torrent]

When he died, his corpse had 0 helmet

[peak coral]

no helmet

[analog torrent]

and also nezcafe

[deft marsh]

U funny
Go ahead and put that 2khour load out on and act like you snapping on a dude that came back to the game after 2 years and maxed iron banner in 2 nights get real dude

2thousand hours for 1 load out lmfao

[analog torrent]

dead saint and saint in the osiris/saint cutscene

[deft marsh]

Silly boy

[analog torrent]

@outer dragon

[deft marsh]

I mop yall with base weapons in pvp

[analog torrent]

he kinda a cutie 😳

[deft marsh]

Mopp mopp mopp the floor with you

[outer dragon]

I was talking with them about Bungie's scattershot method of writing ancillary lore tabs

[peak coral]

☠️ now he thinks im a pvp sweatlord

[outer dragon]

And IDK man

[peak coral]

troled

[outer dragon]

I completely forgot about that mission

Calm down cheif

Is only game

Why you have to be mad?

[analog torrent]

Bro becomes a high school sophmore, powertrips on the freshmen, and rides that high to d2 discord 💀

[deft marsh]

Sophomores get thrown in trash cans regularly

Where they belong

[analog torrent]

You'd know that from personal experience

[outer dragon]

Super reacts are awesome

[deft marsh]

U cute my high school had metal detectors in the 90s you weaksauce

Run it

[outer dragon]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[deft marsh]

And you spat in my baconator

Fired

[analog torrent]

Are there any transmat firing memes in the lore other than the recent one in Kept Confidence

looking through ishtar rn

[deft marsh]

And I want my extra ranch

Now

[analog torrent]

okay doesn't look like it

[outer dragon]

I wrote a gambit intro that I think even Germaine wouldn't say

[analog torrent]

👁️

[outer dragon]

"If you find yourself on a Fallen Skiff, those space pirates cook up real good. With a bit of butter tastes just like fresh crab"

"TRANSMAT FIRING"

[analog torrent]

Drifter needs to reopen his bar and make a custom menu

[peak coral]

😃 hes gone

[devout nimbus]

Bro is gone dw

We safe now

[analog torrent]

do you wanna see his crucible report lol

check dms

[outer dragon]

Yes

[slim elk]

Back to lore shall we?

[peak coral]

yeah

[slim elk]

Anyone know the reason why Ikora hasnt made good on her threat and thrown Immaru in a crate yet?

[outer dragon]

We need him

And getting him anywhere near the Last City without him rezing Savathun is sketchy

At best

[slim elk]

We need him alive, not mobile lol

And we secured a forward outpost within Savathuns throne world itself... techically two actually

Just toss him to Eris in the Athenanum

[analog torrent]

I have heard things about Saladin/Jolder but since when was Shaxx/Efrideet a thing

About that spiel Gheleon went on about using the Iron Lords' bones for armor: fuck was he gonna do with Felwinter's corpse?

[worn kernel]

Okay I vaguely remember since this dates back to D2 Vanilla. So, in one of the subclass quests where you get all three again, there was a reflection sequence where, it was Shaxx, who tells the story of how Efrideet threw Saladin into a Fallen Walker, I think it was for the Sunbreaker class. Anyways, in the dialogue he mentions how he liked Lady Efrideet since "She tells me everything. We like our stories, and we like our helmets". Dunno If that's where it started.

[trim grotto]

Drifter made one or two during Salvage last season

[south temple]

Who is Toland cause I’ve heard different things about him

Like he’s one of Eris fireteam member or a hive thingy

[ember storm]

he used to be a guardian and was on eris' fireteam

he was the leading hive expert and helped lead their mission to kill crota

unfortunately for everyone else he had an ulterior motive the whole time and just used his friends' lives as sacrifices/distractions so he could go meet face to face with a deathsinger

[south temple]

Jesus

[ember storm]

through his knowledge of hive magic and related shenanigans, when he was "killed", he became the little floating ball you can see in the dreaming city/on the moon and now spends his days being emo wandering around the ascendant plane for fun

[south temple]

Thanks for the info and clarifying

[ember storm]

it's no biggie
of there's ever a chance to enlighten someone on toland's god awful nature i'm there for it

[worn kernel]

Often times when I'm on the moon and he goes on his little nugget quote of wisdom I run past him like "Shut Up Toland." and ignore the patrol.

[ember storm]

that is the correct reaction

good on you

[worn kernel]

At a sort of, brighter perspective, Omar is somewhat "alive", except in a gun.

[ember storm]

he's chilling

he gets to blast mfs

happy living

[worn kernel]

Exactly, That's the only way we guardians know how to roll. Shoot the shit, slice the shit, disintegrate the shit, and punch the shit out of our enemies.

[empty fern]

Lore nerds

Hear me out

Crota arc has this

[gentle geyser]

This is what she looked like before dying

[empty fern]

Ik

But head not long enough