📚lore-discussion

[ember storm]

i just don't find the point of "exo names are too weird to have been their human names" when half of the non-exo cast have equally if not more unique ones

[safe galleon]

half the non-exo cast don't even remember their original names, like i said

[ember storm]

saint is an actual name, and he uses the iteration number

[safe galleon]

it's more reasonable you'd get a few oddball names when some people just kinda have to make one up

[jagged badge]

Again, I point out that there is nothing stopping Exos from making their names up too

[ember storm]

if they're using the numbers then they're using the original name

no reason to include them otherwise

[safe galleon]

it's a kind of similar concept to how a lot of nonbinary people choose off-the-cuff 4 letter names. when you have an entire population of people who choose new names you're gonna get a few unfamiliar ones

[ember storm]

totally not what happened to my username haha

[safe galleon]

(same)

[ember storm]

mine was even less original

i used to call myself walt

now it's waltz

ingenius i know

[safe galleon]

i have a friend named cash and another named pocket and i myself have a 4 letter name. i come at this with a level of experience

[safe galleon]

your name went from giving off the energy of a 50 year old man to giving off the energy of a jester character in a video game

with one additional letter

impressive

[ember storm]

haha yeah that's totally not what it's based off of

not at all

[safe galleon]

real

[ember storm]

no inspiration whatsoever

[safe galleon]

obviously no relation there

but anyway point being i can suspend my disbelief a lot more for people choosing weird names when they're either given the choice or put on the spot

because i myself have been in that situation and i've seen plenty of others in that situation and plenty of people pick unconventional names when given that freedom

[jagged badge]

I chose Eris lmao

[ember storm]

i mean i see it as more of you're just brought back from the dead and have no idea about anything

only exos have their ghost immediately recite their name to them

you have zero identity or aspirations so you just take it

of course they're free to change it later, but afaki we haven't seen that

[safe galleon]

yeah but choosing the name (as a human/awoken guardian anyway) has to come at some point i imagine

so like i said, weird names? kinda a given

[ember storm]

you say that but the weird names thing isn't a trend stemming from guardians

that's just how humanity in the golden age was

[safe galleon]

did people start naming their kids stuff like X Æ II 12 or whatever

[smoky rose]

Well canonically the traveler showed up before this

So

Who knows what would’ve happened

[ancient elk]

I have a question for anyone, what exactly happens when Rhulk upends a planet? Does it blow up or something?

[dim minnow]

I think it gets left completely devoid of Light

[ancient elk]

Oh ok, so basically that means anything that has anything to do with the darkness has unlimited free passage there?

Essentially corrupting it?

[dim minnow]

presumably, though we heven't seen or heard of any planets hit with the Upended

[ancient elk]

I see, gotcha, thanks. I also am very curious now and I wanna ask, why do you not like Petra

She’s pretty based

[jagged badge]

Nah she’s a bit of a weirdo

[ancient elk]

Why’s that?

[dim minnow]

here's the list

@ancient elk

[ancient elk]

Dang I had no idea

That’s pretty unbased

Cringe even

[smoky rose]

Counterpoint

(redacted)

[outer dragon]

I can't wait for Season of (Redacted)

[wind belfry]

Im hyped for season of the drifter 2 💪

[slim elk]

Watch it be Season of the Witch

[jagged badge]

Electric Boogaloo

[wind belfry]

Season of the Queen 💅

[jagged badge]

Season of the Girlboss

[wind belfry]

yesss

[peak coral]

season of ghostbuster

(we go on a trip to beat immaru and his shit)

[wind belfry]

i wonder how crunchy immaru is

[peak coral]

:3

[ember storm]

did you post this in every channel?

nerd

[peak coral]

uwu

[real ingot]

Kyzora what the fuck

[peak coral]

-w-

[torpid flint]

Again?

[slim elk]

The truth of Petra shall always be repeated

[stiff thunder]

If the power of solar is as hot or even hotter then the sun how come we can wield knifes on fire that don’t melt?

Or can we like control the heat or something

[trim grotto]

Because we can control the power of Solar, and not all the knives are actually metal. Some are just manifestations of Light.

[raven venture]

Yest

[safe galleon]

the shrimple explanation is that there's no real-life explanation. the light is paracausal, which means that it can defy the cause-and-effect relations between physical objects and forces. basically: it lets us freely break the laws of physics

[meager belfry]

So daybreak warlocks carry a sword hilt all the time in their back pocket

[stiff thunder]

What about well?

[safe galleon]

not really, it just kind of appears

the light lets you make something from nothing. anything you could ask, that's going to be the explanation

[stiff thunder]

Big doughnut

[meager belfry]

So the light can forge metal or something like that

[fast tapir]

"big doughnut" hell yeah

[meager belfry]

The hilt is just engulfed in flames as well as adding the blade

[stiff thunder]

They probably hide it inside the giant robes

[fast tapir]

the big doughnut??

why are they hiding it :c

[stiff thunder]

Well

Idk

[meager belfry]

Yeah I think well of radiance tho it is an actual flame sword

I can imagine a warlock prob using a sword hilt as a bookmark or something

(Before they pop their super)

[stiff thunder]

Well from the looks of well it’s an actual sword embedded with the light

And daybreak is the well sword

But not in the ground

[meager belfry]

And that sword actually having a metal hilt

[stiff thunder]

Or maybe it’s like made from the hands of the user

Like a conjuring spell

[meager belfry]

I mean.. idk if warlocks are metal benders but dang thatd be awesome

"Hocus Pocus" or something like that for a casting spell

Also, unrelated but it is crime that you cant swing daybreak like a melee and only throw projectiles

[stiff thunder]

I feel like it would be broken

[meager belfry]

You got a point, effective at both point blank and afar??? For sure

Not to mention really mobile

[languid gulch]

How are is the destiny universe still intact if vex exist

Can't they like rewrite everything to their will

[empty fern]

Paracasuality stuff

That’s why

[languid gulch]

I still don't understand how paracausality relates to the desinty universe 😭

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-destiny2the-witch-queen-hive-ghost-crush-gif-23101368

This

You can’t do this normally

That’s where paracasuality comes in

[velvet flax]

Paracausality is pretty much in simple terms the space magic of the destiny universe

[empty fern]

I don’t wanna type that whole word out so ima call it “paracas”

[fiery copper]

I like using rocks to explain paracausality

[empty fern]

Oooo

[fiery copper]

You are causal. You push on a rock, and it moves a distance equal to the amount of force you pushed on it with.

You are paracausal. You push on a rock, and it moves a distance MORE than the amount of force you pushed on it with. Maybe you don't need to push at all. Maybe you created the rock from nothing. Maybe pushing on the rock turned it INTO nothing.

[fiery copper]

@languid gulch see above, I hope this makes some kind of sense :)

Causality is cause and effect

Para as a prefix means "above"

And in this case means above as in authority. "The king is above his subjecta."

You aren't bound by cause and effect.

You can use Effect without Cause.

[empty fern]

Above the law

[languid gulch]

So I'm god

And the rock is stupid

[empty fern]

Close enough

[fiery copper]

You play solar warlock, and create a fusion nade out of thin air.

You play void titan, and you put up a giant impenetrable bubble shield that by all laws of physics should not exist.

You play arcstrider, and you... uh... dodge really fast where a normal person would get tired. Sure.

[fiery copper]

Not in the omnipotent sense

[languid gulch]

Yeah I get that

But I got cool powers from white ball

[fiery copper]

But if you mean like a greek god, where they have limitations, and can be hurt, weakened, and even killed, yeah it kinda works? I'd say you're more like Hercules though.

It's also worth noting

The elements exist outside of the light.

Minotaurs use void cannons despite not being guardians

[empty fern]

Trans you going too deep

You lost him

[fiery copper]

Nah this is important

[empty fern]

Shut

[fiery copper]

Dregs have arc knives

Stuff like that

We don't have unique control over the elements

And the elements are physical phenomena

Fire is fire

[empty fern]

Ooo wait

You think fallen charge their weapons with ether and that’s how they can use the elements?

[languid gulch]

It took me so long to realize that the lightbearer hive have the similar abilities to guardians lol

[fiery copper]

We use the light as a battery to cause scientific effects

[languid gulch]

Ohh

[fiery copper]

Arc is electromagnetism. We didn't invent that, but we can use its cool effects without a bigass battery hooked up to an electromagnet.

[empty fern]

Shocking

[fiery copper]

(Arc isn't quite that simple but it gets the point across)

[empty fern]

Hmph

[fiery copper]

Solar is fire and heat (again, oversimplification) and we can use the light to make this natural, scientifically-based process without the required components of fuel, heat, and oxygen.

[languid gulch]

I'm surprised that someone has this knowledge in the first place

[fiery copper]

Oh look up lettuce's posts on reddit

Hes actually a mad scientist

If you want D E E P lore on the elements

Lemme find a link

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyLore/comments/k4k6ox/light_is_not_the_fundamental_forces

[languid gulch]

Jesus

[fiery copper]

Like I said

Actual mad scientist

[fiery copper]

Also ermm,, actually my name is star? Check my profile dummy??

[empty fern]

Oh

Oop

Called

[fiery copper]

Kinda homophobic of you not to know my name tbh (THIS IS A JOKE)

[empty fern]

IM SORRY I OFFENDED U (Kek)

[fiery copper]

I'm going to cancel you on twitter dot com

[empty fern]

Anyways

[fiery copper]

Say goodbye to your comedy special sweaty 💅

[empty fern]

Back to fallen using ether to charge their weapons

[fiery copper]

Yeah anyway

[empty fern]

I’m on to something

[fiery copper]

I dont think thats the case, I think they literally just use electricity

[echo fjord]

erm its actually x

[empty fern]

O

Damnit

[fiery copper]

I'm going to explode you.

[echo fjord]

i will disintegrate you.

[fiery copper]

The website is twitter dot com therefore it is twitter

ANYWAY

imo the fallen have batteries

Das it

They also have fission power/weapons as seen in sotp, Turbulent Detonation is the wipe mechanic in the Insurrection Prime bossfight, which many people believe to be a nuclear detonation.

The power cells in sotp are called Radiant Cells, so idk how that relates

[ember storm]

the vex just can't do that

they're basically like the most advanced virus in the universe

infinitely replicating and infinitely relentless

[fiery copper]

The vex can only do Timey Wimey Bullshit in the vault

[ember storm]

they just do what they do because it's what they do

they could easily overwhelm us by sheer numbers, but don't

it's not "efficient"

[fiery copper]

The vex are like a calculator. Every input you give, there will be one single output. 2+2 will always give you 4.

But like

Way more complex

Because the universe isn't made of 2s, there's humans and cabal and rocks and dirt and giant nuke-lobbing fallen gundam

Idk

Maybe that makes sense, maybe it doesn't

[velvet flax]

Also bungie never utilises the Vex well

[ember storm]

personally i think the vex aren't just breaking down our doors and forcing their way in because they want to keep guardians alive, at least for a while

[fiery copper]

The vex see the universe, and there is only one course of action they will ever take, because that's what the algorithm's result is.

Except

For paracausality.

[ember storm]

it's stated that in a vex-centered future, after everything is vex or just removed from the equation, they'll just move on to only simulate everything and anything they can

there's no real point to it

that's just what they're going to do

[fiery copper]

When encountering the darkness, the greater vex decided FUCK THIS, THAT SHIT'S SCARY, BURN IT ALL I'M OIT

[wheat latch]

i just loaded into my hunter for the first time in forever and saw the lf cutscene
I'm still not convinced that the traveler was really trying to attack the witness, it seems just like an invitation more than anything

[ember storm]

the problem is guardians are like the one thing they can't properly simulate, which makes us a complete anomaly to them

[fiery copper]

The sol divisive instead decided "we cannot defeat this. We will join it."

[velvet flax]

Yesn't

[ember storm]

why would the traveler invite the witness to do the one thing it abandoned them because she didn't want it to do

[wheat latch]

i dont know, the beam just only seemed to affect the ship and has zero affect on anything else

[velvet flax]

Because the beam only hit the ship

Because the Witness was there

It was targeting it

[fiery copper]

I see paracausality like a quadratic equation like x2 + x - 2, there's two answers.

[wheat latch]

but it broke through the wall of the ship and just stopped

[ember storm]

why do you think it was such an important distinction that Savathun is basically the sole reason the traveler survived the collapse

[ember storm]

no it didn't

the beam was fixed on the witness the entire time

it just didn't hurt

the same thing happened in the collapse

the traveler and the witness went head to head, but neither was really defeated

[wheat latch]

well then the traveler sucks at aiming lol

it hit like 3 ships before getting to the witness

[ember storm]

because those ships were actively sending darkness waves at guardians?

[wheat latch]

it was doing some damage to them then broke through the wall and did literally nothing else

[ember storm]

because it was just a concentrated beam of pure light

it took out the pyramids attacking us, before focusing on the witness

there's really nothing more to it than that

[velvet flax]

And as waltz said, the Traveller actively fled the Witness on its homeworld when it tried to do what it was doing in Lightfall... why would it just be suddenly 'inviting it'?

[wheat latch]

idk

[ember storm]

like the witness literally has to set up a ring of pyramids to incapacitate the traveler and force it to stop

it's also the sole reason why Calus is even a disciple

not because he's valuable

the witness just needed an asset to go find the veil while it was pinning the traveler down

he had troops and he was easy to manipulate, so off he went

[wheat latch]

didnt seem like the witness needed to do anything seeing as it was unphased by the beam

[velvet flax]

The one thing that I'm a bit baffled by is why The Witness was convincing Eramis to nuke the Traveller into smithereens when it needs it to do the portal thing

[ember storm]

the witness just wanted it in orbit for easier access

[empty fern]

Ohhh

[ember storm]

otherwise it has to deal with the awkward orbit of earth and weird angles

[empty fern]

Oh yea

[velvet flax]

I thought the Traveller moved in response to The Witness being close not because of the Warsats

[empty fern]

What’s the deal with the time gaps in spire? The corn fields

[ember storm]

it's both

[velvet flax]

And that still doesn't explain why The Witness actively encourage Eramis to annihilate it

[empty fern]

Osiris said it but I forgor

[red comet]

Why did Calus get the typhon imperiator instead of a tetrahedron ship?

[ember storm]

it was to force the traveler into a defensive position and to make sure it has nowhere else to run

[ember storm]

why does it have his face on the front

[red comet]

To stop it from leaving

[ember storm]

because he asked for it

that's it

[red comet]

Ahahaha fair enough

[ember storm]

that or he just made it himself

it is decked out in a bunch of gold, statues, and filled with treasure

[velvet flax]

I guess the Traveller would've reacted if the lasers actually fired

But it kinda was just sitting there as it was about to fire and be destroyed

[red comet]

I also want to know why the vex haven’t decided yet to just launch a massive offensive onto earth and just wipe out the last city to kill the guardians instead of waiting for the guardians to come to them

Also

[ember storm]

i'm still under the impression the lasers wouldn't have actually done anything

but bungie said for because plot

so whatever

[red comet]

I know this is kinda wild and outlandish I think the tree on Nessus has something to do with why the vex are there

[velvet flax]

I mean I agree it's just everyone suddenly went insane when it starter to happen so

[red comet]

Because and bare with me

The black garden had a wham ah “tree”

[velvet flax]

Which tree there's lots of trees on Nessus

[ember storm]

Nessus was just filled with actually life

[red comet]

Yk the massive one

That xûr sits on

[ember storm]

the vex took over and recreated it for the sake of studying it

[velvet flax]

And also the Black Garden tree is a Tree Of Silver Wings

Was

[ember storm]

that's not particularly massive

[red comet]

It’s average tbf

Btw in here a lot of my questions will be vex related bc I love the vex

Do yous think calus was correct in thinking that we haven’t seen the true vex warriors yet?

[ember storm]

no

even though people like to say Wyverns are "combat vex", there's evidence actively proving otherwise

[velvet flax]

^^^

[ember storm]

plus every single actual vex invasion we've faced had the standard fare

warrior vex just don't exist

[velvet flax]

Yeah it's Calus waffling

[ember storm]

the one vex e've fought built specifically to kill a guardian was a big hobgoblin

[red comet]

Calus says “ all the Vex previously encountered merely as gardeners, engineers, and managers” which allured me

[velvet flax]

Agioktis or something

[ember storm]

either it was bs his scribes fed to him because they didn't want to be executed or he came up with it

[ember storm]

i honestly don't really care about vex names themselves

[red comet]

I think they are cool asf

[ember storm]

what Mind they are just sounds cooler

[red comet]

Like the Minotaur they named after Saint

That’s cool asf tbf

[velvet flax]

Xegonion, Warped Mind

[ember storm]

like it was called the Martyr Mind

because it was made to kill saint

[red comet]

Peepeepoopoo, excrement mind

[ember storm]

that's cool

[velvet flax]

Agioktis, Martyr Mind was the big Hobgoblin ye

[red comet]

This name strikes fear into all guardians icl

I’m also kind of confused about the vex time travel thing

Why don’t they just prevent the last city from being built?

[velvet flax]

Dimio my beloved

[red comet]

Or the vanguard from being constructed

Also

Bungie If your seeing this

Please make the next dlc have a vex raid

Ik the chances are slim

But please

[ember storm]

they don't time travel

[red comet]

I also think the whole conversion thing confused me to

Where do the materials come from

[ember storm]

what materials

[red comet]

Like Asher Mirs arm was converted

Where did the metal come from

[ember storm]

the metal is still physically vex

it's not just scrap

[red comet]

Like say riven was still alive and was dipped into radiolaria

Would it become just a wham ahh vex

Or would it become like a mind

[ember storm]

she'd just be converted into vex

that's what radiolaria does

[red comet]

Yeah but like does what they are mould what they turn into

[ember storm]

the only reason it doesn't happen ingame is because it's a video game so bungie just made it deal arc damage

[red comet]

Or do they just become tons of goblins

[wheat latch]

is that what's on nessus? the pools and stuff?

[ember storm]

riven herself is a shape shifter so she has no real shape to begin with

[red comet]

Yeah

[ember storm]

if you're wholly dipped in radiolaria then there's nothing of your original body left

you'd just melt

[wheat latch]

why we no become vex

[ember storm]

complete mystery

wish someone would talk about that

[wheat latch]

lol

[red comet]

Yeah so see if riven made herself a massive ahh thing and touched radiolaria would that mean that she would become a large mind or would it just make the only part that touched her a vex construct

And if so

Would she be able to change it back

[ember storm]

she wouldn't become a mind

that's not how it works

[wheat latch]

are there any lore bits of a guardian fully getting submerged?

[red comet]

(I mean on terms of size)

Not an actual axis mind

[ember storm]

minds are specifically built and constructed with one job in mind

[red comet]

Because the minds were particularly large compared to the rest of the vex

[ember storm]

if her entire body was consumed, she'd just melt

[red comet]

Do you think the vex would be able to use the wishes?

[ember storm]

no

[red comet]

Like if they wished to be eternal

In the universe

[ember storm]

she would have nothing to do with being an ahamkara anymore

[red comet]

No I mean like if one went to her

[ember storm]

she'd just be turned into more radiolaria

[red comet]

So say she was still alive

And an ahamkara

[ember storm]

they already are a permanent stain in the universe

[red comet]

Would a vex be able to wish to her

[ember storm]

you can't get rid of them

vex don't have desires to begin with

[red comet]

Like would they be able to wish for their end goal to be completed in an instant

[ember storm]

there's nothing for her to work with

[red comet]

Ah Alr

Can taken be converted?

Like taken that weren’t vex to begin with

And if so

[ember storm]

yep

[red comet]

Could the vex just “untaken” other vex

[ember storm]

if they touch radiolaria then they're converted

it just doesn't happen because the people using taken can actually just take

the only time it was a risk was back during the red war when Savathun was trying to corral the taken using Quria

she sent them on a little mission to see if she could use blights

it didn't really work

[red comet]

Hmm

So you say riven would just melt yeah?

What about Asher mirs arm then

He was infact converted slightly

Does that mean that there is a maximum size

To be converted

[wheat latch]

bump

[red comet]

There was a guardian who drunk radiolaria

He was converted into the relic in the vault of glass

[trim grotto]

Kabr The Legionless. Technically he did not become it, but he used the last of his Light to forge it.

[ember storm]

you were asking about a hypothetical where Riven is submerged completely

Asher was just dunked for a moment

[red comet]

Yeah

[wheat latch]

that's sick, can i find the lore entry on this by just searching his name?

[ember storm]

there was no way a full conversion would happen

[red comet]

Reject physical form
Return to radiolaria

[ember storm]

so it just took his arm and started spreading

[red comet]

Possibly yes on the wiki

[trim grotto]

A few relevant entries, yeah

[ember storm]

it was actively infecting his insides, for the record

[trim grotto]

We basically never recommend the Destinypedia here

[red comet]

Really?

Fair enough late

Mate*

[red comet]

So say riven was dipped for a second and taken out of it would it happen

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/kabr

[ember storm]

i mean that's a clusterfuck of things going on, if i'm being honest

there's no precedent for a half-taken shapeshifter touching radiolaria

[red comet]

No not like taken

I mean like removed from radiolaria

[ember storm]

Riven is inherently half taken

[red comet]

Oh

[ember storm]

that's just what she is

[red comet]

Hmmmm

[red comet]

That’s why we ask the questions

These questions must be asked

[ember storm]

my only answer is she'd probably get fucked up

even more than usual

[red comet]

Fair enough

Do you reckon inorganic beings can be converted

[empty fern]

Probably

Wait radiolaria or taken

Cause vex can cube things

[red comet]

Radiolaria

[ember storm]

like exos and ghosts?

yes

that's already happened

i mean clovis being clovis did whatever he wanted with both exos and radiolaria, so

you remember that one lost sector on europa in that lab

[red comet]

I think so

[ember storm]

none of those were constructed vex

[trim grotto]

Perdition

[ember storm]

they were all converted people

[empty fern]

Ye

Wait

[ember storm]

also he was just grafting vex parts onto exos too

[red comet]

Hmmm

[ember storm]

exos are just filled with sterilized vex fluid to begin with

[trim grotto]

Technically it isn't Radiolarian Fluid anymore at all.

But it was, once.

[red comet]

Ahahah

I would really like to see 2082 volanis in game

Ik it wouldn’t happen

But I’d love it

[ember storm]

alkaline solution of dense salts in water doesn't roll off the tongue

[red comet]

Even a mission when we go out of sol would be so cool

Like for a prolonged period of time

Id really like to know what the drifter saw on that ice planet

Like to see it myself

[ember storm]

doesn't the black garden or the ascendant realm count

[trim grotto]

It does if you put it in your mouth

[red comet]

Not particularly in the sense I’m talking about

[wheat latch]

what are u, an exo vampire?

[trim grotto]

🧛

[wheat latch]

lol

how does an exo's strength compare to a human?

afaik they're made to be replicas of humans basically so would that mean the same strength?

[trim grotto]

That's not particularly well recounted. But, they were also designed to be immortal soldiers.

[wheat latch]

oh

[trim grotto]

I'd assume they're more capable than a standard baseline Human.
Banshee certainly was. Is, rather.

[wheat latch]

how so

[trim grotto]

You've experienced Beyond Light's story?

[wheat latch]

ye, my memory is worse than a goldfish tho

[jagged badge]

Banshee smashed all the training sim records on Europa and was the bane of Vex using a sword

[trim grotto]

Banshee was Clovis-1. Clovis, being the megalomaniac that he is, had to have a superior body than the rest of the Exo.

[wheat latch]

like clovis as in clovis bray?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[jagged badge]

How does that work with them keep having to be put into new bodies when they died? Did he keep constructing an identically better body?

[wheat latch]

is he an early version of clovis bray??

[trim grotto]

I assume so.

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-legacys-lament

You might want to read this, my friend

And maybe a playthrough of the Lament quest

[jagged badge]

He is Clovis I uploaded into an Exo body

No memories of Clovis ofc because Exos don’t remember their human lives

[wheat latch]

oh you uploaded him, sickkkkk 😂

[wheat latch]

🫡

[red comet]

I’d love to see what Osiris saw

When he was exiled

[wheat latch]

is there a way to redo the lament quest?

[jagged badge]

Frayed knot

[wheat latch]

i'll just have to watch a playthrough

or, reset my character

[trim grotto]

The Destiny Lore Vault should have it in a Playlist somewhere.

Or one of the other playthrough channels

[jagged badge]

Nah you can’t get the quest a second time on your account

[ember storm]

i mean you can replay the mission

BL started that trend

but it's not really story heavy

[jagged badge]

And then WQ ignored it

[peak coral]

😭

[jagged badge]

But LF did it again

[ember storm]

WQ ignored a lot of things

blatant and obvious things

[velvet flax]

Ngl I hated that Parasite mission

It was a skill issue on my part but I hated the running with the Worm section

[jagged badge]

I get that

I don’t particularly care about replaying it either, it’s just odd that you can’t

[velvet flax]

Yea

Could be an expansion team thing

[red comet]

Yo

[trim grotto]

[red comet]

Yk what would be cool asf

In the character creation menu

An option for light and dark

So instead of starting off with solar void and arc

You’d get strand, stasis and whatever the final shape subclass would be

[trim grotto]

Considering that one is resurrected in the Light and has to actively seek out Darkness, that'd be a bit confusing.

[red comet]

I had not thought of that

[trim grotto]

Also since those are DLC locked and a new player probably doesn't have those

[wheat latch]

isnt it more we start with the light subclasses and learn about the darkness and how it's merely a tool and not evil

[red comet]

Yeah exactly

However

We’d start with dark

[red comet]

What’s saying that the darkness cannot revive those who have fallen

[wheat latch]

lol, that's all backwards tho

[red comet]

Ik that’s the point

You can create a character that is either beginning as light or dark

[trim grotto]

Well, where does that leave your Ghost?

[red comet]

That’s why it would be in the making for a new character you would have something else other than a ghost

[trim grotto]

Who is an entire fleshed out character by the way

And is present in all old campaigns

[jagged badge]

Then you couldn’t be revived when you die

It’s Ghost who does that

[wheat latch]

getting a lil out there but that would be cool to see as a whole different game in the destiny universe where guardians start as the witness' disciples or something and make their way to the light

[red comet]

Yeah what’s saying the darkness cannot do such a thing

[red comet]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING 🤝🤝🤝🤝

[wheat latch]

but it would not fit into d2 lol

[trim grotto]

That's basically a different game at this point.

[red comet]

Yh I realised that

[wheat latch]

yeah, hence why i said it's out there

what, officially, do we know abt tfs and what comes after?

[jagged badge]

Nothing other than that the Vex will reportedly receive a focus

[wheat latch]

u mean just like a part of the story

[slim elk]

You will get info PigMasta.. in less then 36 hours

[wheat latch]

i'm impatient and bored

[slim elk]

Showcase

[arctic mirage]

question about story missions cuz i saw this one npc during the tutorial, and a few mins later when i was wandering around, and stumbled on her area, apparently she's dead?

and im at a point in the campaign where she's alive again(?) but in a dangerous location and i need to save her(?)

am i missing some missions? like whats going on here?

[wheat latch]

I prolly cant answer your question fully but your question lacks a lot of info that would greatly assist others in answering it

who was it and what missions

[arctic mirage]

wait i forgot the name let me check

1 sec

amanda, and this is the current mission where im supposed to save her

and some other folks

[rich veldt]

its probably amanda, if so spoiler alert ||she died in the seasonal story last season||

[arctic mirage]

wait huh

[wheat latch]

bungie doesnt update the new light missions often so there's issue like that which arise

[arctic mirage]

so previous story missions arent playable anymore?

[rich veldt]

bungie just didnt update new light i guess

[arctic mirage]

beginners who start in this season, dont get to play the actual beginning of the story?

[wheat latch]

they do

there's just holes in the story as u just pointed out

[ember storm]

the beginning of the story would be in another game entirely

[little gorge]

depends on what you consider the beginning

[rich veldt]

yeah all you had to do was get an introduction of amanda in new light, thats all her relevance till defiancr

[arctic mirage]

yall said the npc died some season(s) ago, i assume she dies in my current mission cuz she was mentioned in the briefing. Im just wondering why am i already here, im only 20 hours in i dont even know most of the characters and i feel like im at a very late stage of the campaign

[little gorge]

what's because you're playing last season which is the second most recent thing to happen

[wheat latch]

if you want the full story available in d2 rn then start with i think shadowkeep which is the oldest dlc in the game rn

[little gorge]

*oldest one with a campaign

[wheat latch]

yes

[arctic mirage]

wait campaigns are dlcs?

[wheat latch]

yes

[arctic mirage]

jesus

[little gorge]

each dlc has its own campaign

wait you're playing defiance so what have you bought

[arctic mirage]

nothing, i just downloaded the game

wait im so confused, so previous main campaigns, i can play today if i get their dlc?

[wheat latch]

not all of them

i think shadowkeep and on has playable campaign

[little gorge]

and it loaded you into season of defiance?

[wheat latch]

forsaken was moved to the dcv a lil while ago

[arctic mirage]

i just played, and talked to important npcs like zavala and stuff and somehow im here already

its really confusing me

[little gorge]

welcome to destiny

[arctic mirage]

im not even speedrunning anything, i spent most of my time exploring, and somehow i feel like i skipped so much in the story cuz im already here

[wheat latch]

pay attention to your quests tab to get a better bearing of what you're doing currently lol

[rich veldt]

you can do the first story mission of each season free, even post season i believe

[arctic mirage]

im just doing whats popping up here

[arctic mirage]

how many seasons have there been? also, do i have to get the dlc per season to play the whole story of that one particular season?

[wheat latch]

for a better new light experience do the exalting the flame quest

[rich veldt]

you can only play seasons of the current dlc year, so 2 atm, 3rd starting tmrw

in total we move to s22 tmrw

[wheat latch]

oh i forgot that was tomorrow and not next week

[arctic mirage]

im trying, its hard to do solar kills cuz my solar skills have such long cooldowns, the arc one resets on kills so it was kinda easier

[arctic mirage]

im ngl that's kinda scummy to lock main story to dlc

i mean ill still get them, still think it sucks

[velvet flax]

I mean it makes sense to bundle the released story with the expansion it relases with...

though I do think that there should be an actual free to play campaign

Even if its Shadowkeep

[arctic mirage]

i just found it weird, how the actual main story campaign of the game, got chopped and some parts either got put behind a paywall, or just removed altogether

i came from warframe, and i only started just last november i think. And i was able to play from the very start of the story, all the way to their latest duviri paradox expansion

[velvet flax]

Yeah the campaign that released with the game (The Red War) is unplayable now... that decision is still a very controversial one to this day

[arctic mirage]

as a player should experience with any game's MAIN campaign

[arctic mirage]

yea just found out about this business model today, kinda turned me off

[velvet flax]

I hold the belief theyll bring it back eventually

their reasoning was because of the sheer volume of the game they coulnt reasonably keep adding content

that people would engage with more

meanwhile legacy campaigns the majority of people have played had very limited interaction

[trim grotto]

It wasn't really a business model decision. It was due to their engine updates. They essentially hard to port all old content to the new engine.

[velvet flax]

though i agree it means new players are often bamboozled

[arctic mirage]

yea i didnt have a great new player experience at all, story made no sense to me cuz it was chopped and the pieces are put in different places

[velvet flax]

Destiny being promoted as 'free to play' I disagree with, I prefer it being labelled as 'free to try'

[arctic mirage]

i dont actually mind dlcs, im a hefty spender myself. But i think taking already available content and suddenly locking it behind paywall is kinda scummy

or just straight up deleting it

especially when its the main story timeline

[velvet flax]

idk how youre doing the Season of Defiance questline without having it (i guess its because you can do up to a certain point for free), but if you most a mostly coherent storyline experience

it goes Shadowkeep --> Beyond Light --> The Witch Queen --> Lightfall --> The Final Shape (to be released)

[trim grotto]

Well, the game used to be bought straight up. Now it's free to try with expansions.
And as I said, the whole deleting thing was due to the engine updates, seasonal model aside.

[arctic mirage]

gotcha, thanks for that mate. And thats not all i heard some got vaulted yea?

[velvet flax]

The Red War (base campaign), Curse of Osiris, Warmind and half of Forsaken is gone

[trim grotto]

That being said, Vaulting doesn't happen any more. Seasonal content notwithstanding.

[velvet flax]

Curse of Osiris and Warminds impact on the current narrative is pretty small though

[trim grotto]

Basically nil

The current story arc essentially starts with Shadowkeep

[velvet flax]

yea tbh before Shadowkeep, the 'overarching plot' was just kind of moving forward with no clear direction except plot existed for the sake of existing

well there was a direction but now its very laser focused

[trim grotto]

Yeah it kinda just jumped from one to another

[velvet flax]

yea Curse of Osiris and Warmind could very well have been the other way around

[arctic mirage]

was the story before shadowkeep just retconned? or just straight up deleted from canon?

[trim grotto]

Neither

[velvet flax]

its just unplayable

[trim grotto]

It's perfectly canon and isn't retconned

[arctic mirage]

i cant read the story even from just in-game excerpts or something?

[velvet flax]

You can play what I call Forsaken Part 2 by getting the Forsaken Pack which is essentially the second half of the Forsaken storyline

[trim grotto]

There are some theories from those in the know about the Vaulted content that it was involved with Activision/Vicarious Visions licencing

[velvet flax]

on the Director in the top right corner there is a timeline

[trim grotto]

Which is to say, it was pretty much entirely Activision content that was removed

[velvet flax]

it goes from The Red War to current day stuff

its kind of brief but it gives a very rough idea of what happened

[trim grotto]

Also...

[arctic mirage]

right ill have a look, thanks mate

[trim grotto]

https://www.previouslyondestiny.com

This is a bit outdated, only goes up to WQ. But it should be quite useful.

[arctic mirage]

much appreciated 👍

[velvet flax]

This timeline has also been updated (finally) and is reasonably accurate as far as I can tell https://www.destinypedia.com/Timeline#Season_of_Plunder

other Destinypedia articles can be inaccurate though

some people put their own theories onto it as its open source to a degree

[trim grotto]

Actually rather than the Dpedia timeline

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/timeline

Dyno has been working on the Ishtar timeline

[velvet flax]

ooh

ishtar timeline nice

yeah thats probably better ngl

[trim grotto]

This goes by all lore so it isn't an "archived gameplay" timeline

[velvet flax]

is there uhh meant to be a massive coloured bar down the middle of the page though

[trim grotto]

no

[velvet flax]

i see this

[arctic mirage]

its the scroll bar for the left side tab i think

[trim grotto]

Well yes but they haven't updated every section with images yet

[arctic mirage]

oh

[velvet flax]

ah ok

[trim grotto]

The colours also correspond to the section of the timeline

Nightmare Red for Shadowkeep for example

[velvet flax]

ye i was just very far down lmao

[arctic mirage]

wait this is nice, doesnt involve gameplay stuff

very nice

[trim grotto]

Yes, Ishtar is an archive of all the game's lore. Nearly all.

And Dyno has been working on his timeline for a long time.

It was recently added to Ishtar itself, which is nice.

Pretty sure he still updates that old Sheets document though

[arctic mirage]

question, is the rescue amanda thingy mission before, or after shadowkeep?

that's my current mission

[trim grotto]

Oh that's from last season
Post/during the Lightfall campaign

Seasonal Content only lasts for the expansion year it was released in

[arctic mirage]

im only 20 hrs in, havent really have a good grasp on the lore yet

[trim grotto]

Season of Defiance launched alongside Lightfall, they largely happen concurrently

[velvet flax]

That's to be expected don't worry 🙂

[arctic mirage]

so if i dont play this mission it would be unavailable next year?

[trim grotto]

When Final Shape launches, yes

[arctic mirage]

damn

[smoky rose]

Correct but you have about 6 months until that happens

So you don't need to do it now

[arctic mirage]

might do a lot of reading o the site yall gave me before giving it a go tho, origins and stuff, i literally feel like a toddler thrown into a warzone with no context

[smoky rose]

Timeline for you as far as campaign order:
Shadowkeep -> Beyond Light -> Witch Queen -> Lightfall/S20 Defiance -> S21 Deep -> S22 (REDACTED, coming out tomorrow)

[trim grotto]

That is kinda how it happens in lore as well to be fair

[smoky rose]

She is the uh

The guh

who?

I see

[trim grotto]

in other news i realise that the showcase launches at 2AM

eesh

[velvet flax]

oh did she design it?

haha theres no rush 😄

also the showcase is less than 24 hours away now oof

oh thats really cool

[fiery copper]

WAIT SHIT RHE SHOWXASE IS TOMORROW???

WHAT TIME

9AM PT OKAY

[trim grotto]

...glad we could help

[empty fern]

[fiery copper]

<t:1692720000:F>

FUCK I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT THEN

[fiery copper]

Checked the bungie tweets channel because none of you replied within 5 milliseconds smh

23 hours

[empty fern]

How does this work?

It’s a time zone text thing

[sick yew]

It automatically displays a date and time in your timezone

Its a script that interacts with discord

(Also what we use in for example #🟩server-status🟩 to display when the next downtime will be relative to your timezone)

[empty fern]

Ooooo

I like that

Anyways

So like, oryx

Did the ghost that simmunah used have a name?

[trim grotto]

Trying to revive Oryx? Not that I'm aware of.

[empty fern]

F

Also

Has that worked on other things? Did they experiment on lesser hive or just go straight to oryx

Did they test it on exthar first?

Ecthar

[trim grotto]

The whole necromancy/Ghost thing? No idea.

[empty fern]

Damn you

[trim grotto]

We can try and guess based on old knowledge from Nokris's deal and such but no, we don't know

[empty fern]

Also

About ghost choosing who to revive and stuff, and ghost finding their right guardian

[analog torrent]

Two quantum-entangled particles walk into a neutron star.

One said, “Can you point me towards the soap radio?”

where funny
the point is that it's not funny right? Cause it's Rasputin's first attempt at a joke

[empty fern]

Very funny

[trim grotto]

Pretty sure Ana basically said that it isn't funny in that exact entry

[analog torrent]

she did but I was wondering if there was some sort of logic to the joke at all

[trim grotto]

Not that I can see

[analog torrent]

his shitposting is too advanced for us to comprehend

[empty fern]

Oh yea he’s dead now

[velvet flax]

I still forget Rasputin is completely gone

We had him in an engram for so long

[trim grotto]

Same feeling as letting a small animal you've tended for weeks go free only to be hit by a car

[empty fern]

Damn

Also back to taken king (yes fuck you I wanna talk kingsfall) what was this and why did the Warpriest have it

And also why did he have 3 totems

[raven glen]

Yall think its still possible to resurrect crota? Like they tried on oryx

[raven glen]

Tried even if they succeeded he not be happy he rather stay dead tbh crota not sure he probably be pissed

[fiery copper]

Raid mechanics are only partly canon

Like, why would Mara build puzzle tiles in the dreaming city that when solved, lower down a jumping puzzle of spinning teacup platforms?

[jagged badge]

If they succeeded, he’d only have been mad about it if he somehow retained his memories

[empty fern]

No we killed his very soul and all

[smoky rose]

If his body is there then yeah they can do it

[empty fern]

Soul crystal
Ascendent
And that’s the only 2 I know if

[empty fern]

Oh he has a body left over?

[smoky rose]

iirc the orb is an oversoul similar to Crota's

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/crota-destiny-crotas-end-spawn-epic-gif-24018797

We also have the cutscene when they first introduced him

In that pit

[smoky rose]

Yeah that's the warpriest's oversoul

[empty fern]

Ohhh

Wait

Crota and priest have over souls, do the sisters have over souls?

[smoky rose]

Not that we ever saw

[empty fern]

Aw

Does a death singers power work on other hive?

What other over souls do we know of?

Does oryx have one? Did he take it in this?

https://tenor.com/view/oryx-taking-himself-destiny-oryx-taken-king-gif-17498021

[smoky rose]

Again not that we know of

[empty fern]

Damn you

[smoky rose]

Afaik the only two oversouls we know about are Crota and Warpriest

[empty fern]

Maybe we’ll see another one with xivus forces

[smoky rose]

The Sisters came up with oversouls and oryx knew about them but Crota and Warpriest are the only ones known to have them

[fresh zephyr]

What would happen if the lucent hive were to succeed with the ritual to resurrect oryx?

[empty fern]

We would have a problem

A very large and angry problem

[raven glen]

So if crotas end is a raid basically means not cannon

[empty fern]

Non of legacy raid is canon

But we killed his soul in raid, we released his soul from a rock before that

[raven glen]

I mean wouldn’t know cus he would have no memories so ig they manipulate him and he’s evil again or if he did remember he wouldn’t want to fight anymore sees his failure and life as a lie from the witness unless he knew he was being used from tje witness and still believed in him

[empty fern]

He’s hive he’s evil

[raven glen]

Wasn’t that cus of the witnesses manipulation tho

[empty fern]

Yea, and that happened eons ago, gonna be hard to forget that

[raven glen]

A god like him maybe he will remember lol cus savathun learning the truth she had a existence crisis 👀

As foe xvui i feel like she is aware but doesn’t care

As for savathun she can easily be revived if her ghost wanted to but imaru ofc hiding

[jagged badge]

Uh, no

The whole point is that we have Savathûn’s body so he can’t rez her

[little gorge]

he's evil because he follows the sword logic religiously

[empty fern]

That too

[little gorge]

sadly, that sword logic says that him being revived would be heresy

[empty fern]

So he would unalive himself if he revived

[little gorge]

and probably slaughter the lucent brood first

[jagged badge]

Only if he had his memories

[empty fern]

Hmph

Although

I guess if he did revive then we could get dreadnaught back for a season

So content wise maybe

[grand sigil]

is cayde actually coming back next season?

[jagged badge]

No

Cayde will be in Final Shape

But very likely he is not completely “coming back”

[grand sigil]

by "completley" you mean memories

right?

[jagged badge]

I mean it’s very likely he’s just a ghost or Memory of Cayde manifested through the portal and only through the portal

[grand sigil]

hmmmm... interesting

well heres to hoping it an amnesia thing

but ill settle for a ghost

[jagged badge]

Doubt it, he definitely seems to know Ikora in the teaser

[grand sigil]

yeah

my thing that peaked my interest was ace

the ace of spades like it was shattered and then through the portal it was put back together

but then again it couldve been a different future like exo stranger

and saint too

[grand sigil]

even though that was technically a past thing

[raven glen]

So he playing smart

[jagged badge]

Well, he’s working with the hand he got dealt. We killed his Lightbearer so he had to retreat

[raven glen]

I wonder were we keep the bodies i think thats the only enemy body we have cus um ghaul well exploded lol, and fanatic well escaped. We have oryx remains now cus dungeon, thats all i can think. Wish we could see like a room were its all hunged up

Im also surprised the vanguard has said not much about fynch if immaru returns i better see my gud lad fynch homie need a new owner

[little gorge]

the hidden keep them, well... hidden

also they don't have a reason to keep any remains unless they pose an actual threat or can be studied

if we hadn't secured savathun immaru could just rez her and oryx was almost rezzed and his body is still somewhat alive

and both of them were pretty much our greatest enemy at some point

[south temple]

Are their still evil guardians that kill other guardians like in the warlords era after the collapse?

Or are the guardians now good?

[smoky rose]

Occasionally they pop up and then burn out

Dredgen Yor was during the city age he lost a gunfight to Shin Malphur

Shayura killed a bunch of guardians but after seeing the lucent hive she turned herself in and got therapy

[raven glen]

I wonder wat creature got to them probably some hive

[smoky rose]

What?

Shayura was a pro-traveler crusader, killing guardians who fucked with stasis. After seeing the lucent hive, blessed by the light, she fell apart and turned herself in to city security, she was imprisoned and given therapy and at this point is back out on the front lines, she was one of the 3 guardians who got sliced by the witness in the opening cutscene of Lightfall, one of the two who survived alongside Aisha, the fireteam titan Reed-7 was permakilled due to his ghost being cut up too

[analog torrent]

finished grimoire 3
absolute work of art 10/10 best grimoire out of the 3 I've read so far

golden age, rasputin, bray, and exo lore 💯

[red comet]

Do vex machine worlds serve as a purpose?

Like do they hold a purpose to the vex aside from their spread

[smoky rose]

Some of them do

Nessus is a life simulation

They have stars where they feed in hydrogen through massive portals and stir them, pulling out metal

[south temple]

Honestly that’s based ngl

Other then the reed-7 getting killed

[fierce dune]

Who was the poor sap who got melted to his ship?

Like dude saw his life before becoming a guardian and then died

[smoky rose]

Joxer

Pretty cool dude

[fierce dune]

Damn. Best feats?

[smoky rose]

Gambit stuff

[fierce dune]

Meh

No wonder he died then. Cause bungo is killing gambit as well 💀

[raven glen]

It says she was in pursuit of a unknown entity unless lore im reading is false

[outer dragon]

I wonder if Savathun will change her name back to Sathona(sp?) when she is rezed again now knowing the truth

[outer dragon]

Fynch is stuck with the Hive he rezed. There is no known mechanic for a ghost to change their Risen

He is just not rezing the guy for personal reasons

Would be cool to have him rezed as an ally but unlikely

[fierce dune]

Fynch fights with his dead guardian because it keeps begging to be revived

[outer dragon]

I know from thr Dawning that Fynch calls his Knight "Ken" but do we have his full name?

[jagged badge]

We don’t, Ken is just Fynch’s nickname for his Hive

[shadow warren]

You lost me at the end of the explanation. Is shayura perma dead or only reed

[smoky rose]

Reed only

[trim grotto]

Only Reed.

[smoky rose]

Aisha and Shayura are alive

[shadow warren]

I see I see thx

Speaking of, what connection does shayura have w shin

Seems like she doesn’t like him very much

[trim grotto]

None in particular.

[shadow warren]

Aren’t there a couple lore entries where there’s some connection between them

He’s mentioned in shayuras wrath

I thought there was another where they directly communicate but I can’t remember

[trim grotto]

No. A Hunter she had shot compared her to him before he died, but that's about it.

[tawdry wigeon]

What are leviathans?

[trim grotto]

You may be thinking of Aunor in the Salt Mines

[shadow warren]

Hmm maybe

[trim grotto]

That depends on which Leviathan you mean

[shadow warren]

Who’s shin talking to in the flavor text then?

[tawdry wigeon]

Not the ship

[trim grotto]

Nobody specific
Maybe us

[trim grotto]

As in the Fundament Leviathan?

[tawdry wigeon]

Idk some creatures from a loooong time ago

[trim grotto]

I'm assuming you're referring to the Fundament Leviathan
It was a singular creature, warden of the trapped Worm Gods. Vaguely described. One moment.

++YOU MUST TURN BACK—
—SAVE YOURSELVES FROM THE DEEP++
++SAVE THE WORLD FROM YOURSELVES—
—YOU MUST TURN BACK++```

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh i see

Ive seen ppl theorize that its asha

[smoky rose]

Its not

Ahsa is one of the worm gods

She didn't accept the pact though

And fought the others before escaping through the ascendant plane

[shadow warren]

Are all worm gods children of the one in rhulks pyramid

[smoky rose]

Yes

[tawdry wigeon]

Of the one?

[shadow warren]

I forget her name

Something with an X. Xia?

[smoky rose]

Xita

[shadow warren]

That thx

[smoky rose]

The Nurturing Worm

[shadow warren]

Also was fundament destroyed?

[fiery copper]

Pronounced shite-uh apparently

[fiery copper]

We have no clue

[shadow warren]

Do we know if the leviathan ever died then

[fiery copper]

The hive just stop caring after they leave and never talk about it again

[fiery copper]

The worm gods ate it yes

[shadow warren]

Ik rhulk ripped out a rib but iirc it’s death was never made clear

Oh

[dim minnow]

the Leviahtan survived Rhulk's asskicking

[tawdry wigeon]

Bruh how far does hive lore go omg

[fiery copper]

The books of sorrow are probably the most important lorebook in destiny again, now that unveiling is somewhat questionable

[fiery copper]

Books of sorrow

Is like 70%

[dim minnow]

it wasn't until after the Hive killed off the Ammonites that the Leviathan was killed and eaten by Yul and Eir

[jagged badge]

Wrong, Ghost stories, Ghost Community Theatre is the most important

[fiery copper]

Ah my mistake

[tawdry wigeon]

Ghost stories?

[fiery copper]

However, the books of sorrow do lay the foundation for oryx the nightmare daddy, so they do deserve SOME recognition

[tawdry wigeon]

What do they say?

[dim minnow]

she says it as a joke

[fiery copper]

They say boo mostly

That's also a joke

[dim minnow]

Ghost Stories is just a collection of one-off stories regarding Ghosts

mostly one-off

[fiery copper]

Ghost Stories is a d2 lorebook that's just a bunch of different unrelated tabs about various things

[dim minnow]

some of them are comedic, others are more serious in tone

[fiery copper]

You have ghost community theatre

And then you have one about a baby dying of frostbite

[dim minnow]

not various things, all of them pertain to Ghosts themselves

[fiery copper]

Yeah

They relate to ghosts

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh oop my bad

[fiery copper]

By that, I meant "they are about various things, related to ghosts"

Highly recommend reading it

[tawdry wigeon]

But we dont really know what ghosts really are right? We know what they do and that they cane from the traveler but why did they appear only to us?

[tawdry wigeon]

Def reading it thanks

[fiery copper]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-ghost-stories

Tadaaaa

Call me legend of zelda cause I got a link

[tawdry wigeon]

God damn

[fiery copper]

For THAT, Unveiling.

[dim minnow]

here are my hopes for the showcase:
Ganymede
The Witness referencing Collective Conciousness (the MGR song)

[fiery copper]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-unveiling

Unveiling is from the perspective of the witness.

[tawdry wigeon]

Lemme actually save these links

[fiery copper]

It concerns the traveler, the witness, what they think, and why they think the ways they do.

That's all I'm gonna say, it deserves to be read blind so you get the full "what the actual shit does any of this mean" experience

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh shit alright so my thoughts will be minced all together after that while I'll be trying to figure it out

Great!

[outer dragon]

No Rez For The Weary needs just a follow up explaining the aftermath of the crashed Almighty and how the trapped Guardian faired

We should flood Blackburn on X(Twitter) about it

Like let us go to the crash site for something and find a scanable that is the remains of the trap and it tells us that it is broken

[fiery copper]

People have been asking for this since the lore tab was first released

Imma be honest lads

I dont think its happening

[outer dragon]

I know

Just big sadge

[fiery copper]

The lore update is from the perspective of the trapped guardian

Time wasn't completely frozen, it turns out.

He couldn't move

But he could think.

Six long years of nothingness.

[dim minnow]

I think it would be better if it wasn't like that

[fiery copper]

No light reaching his eyes, no sound reaching his ears.

[fiery copper]

For him? Absolutely

For the story? Debatable

[dim minnow]

like in his perspective he is rushing towards the bomb then all of a sudden he is standing in the Almighty's wreckage wondering wtf just happened

[fiery copper]

Ooh

Or he wakes up during the descent to earth

Like, while it's being bombarded by warsats

[dim minnow]

maybe it gets explained that he wasn't effected by the warsats due to how the trap worked

or maybe the explosions didn't reach him until the trap was deactivated

[fiery copper]

Idk I like the idea of either some psychological horror about being awake the whole time, or him suddenly going from I GOT THE DEFUSE LADS DONT WORRY instantly to OH GOD WHAT IS HAPPENING as the almighty gets blasted by rasputin.

And pulling some kind of mcgyver skydive escape using a drop pod and the impact of a warsat to launch it clear of the wreckage

Idk

[dim minnow]

both are good ideas, but I personally prefer the latter

[fiery copper]

Yeah

More likely for bungie to do (still 0% but it's a higher 0%)

[dim minnow]

still waiting on a follow-up for Cyrell and Micah-10

[fiery copper]

Micah-10 my belovd 💖

[dim minnow]

the story of the Six Coyotes would be so good to see

so far, the only one we ever have a canonical design for is Nadiya, and she only appeared in the Cayde-6 comic

[fiery copper]

I mean didn't Sony basically say "yeah there's a destiny tv show of some kind planned"

[dim minnow]

funny how she actually helped Cayde capture the barons

along with Banshee, Hawthorne, Petra, some guy named Jin, and I think that was all of them

yeah I think that's Six

I would like to see Fikrul return and try and get revenge on all of them

he already mentioned that he planned on going after Petra at some point

also, I'm trying to figure out where tf this is

sky does heavily resemble the Throne World

but it also looks like we will be in some large cave or something

maybe in those large mountains surrounding the area

[real ingot]

Might be an activity taking place in a unique TW area

[dim minnow]

the plant armor looks cool though

I might want to take a closer look at that Titan mark

maybe I can wear it instead of Cinder Pinion

the flowers growing from the shoulders is a cool touch

I wonder if shaders can affect them

[fierce dune]

Just looks like the cavern part of savathün’s throne world but tinted green and more grassy lol

I wish titans got that helmet instead of hunters

[slim elk]

Savathuns temple story area?

Theres a pretty big sparrow section after the fake Riven fight

[dim minnow]

I doubt it is some area we are familiar with

though unrelated, I do know where that cutscene with Ikora and Immaru takes place

[slim elk]

We'll find out in less then 24 hours anyway

[dim minnow]

the one Bungie showed in that screenshot the other day

[rigid flower]

Hey, new location? I'm down.

Hopefully its also a patrolable area, but that's most likely not the case.

[dim minnow]

they did redo the Leviathan raid area and made it into a patrol space back in Haunted

so you never know

about time we get Savathun's Throne World as a notable location in a season

I'm wondering what we are supposed to do there though

either we don't get to rez her immediately and the activities focus on that
or we do and the activities pertain to something else like finding a way through the Veil portal

maybe uncover secrets Savathun kept in her throne world

would be an ideal season to start giving us the facts on her bullshit

like what was going on in Forsaken

even a follow-up on Lavinia