📚lore-discussion

[vocal nebula]

What does it take for an item to become an exotic?

And how do engrams even work?

[ember storm]

exotic is mostly just a gameplay term

[vocal nebula]

Grasp of avarice says otherwise

[ember storm]

basically they're considered to be particularly unique or special, lore wise anyway

vast majority are one of a kind

[vocal nebula]

I see

[ember storm]

anyway engrams are basically zip files that work for real life objects

[vocal nebula]

But with multiple people using the same exotic it doesn’t become one of a kind

[trim grotto]

Grasp of Avarice is the semi-canonisation of an old D1 bug, the loot cave. It has a conflicting audio/environmental story and has a giant skull cave.

It is not standard lore

Exotic Engrams do exist, but it very well may simply be the quality of encryption used in them.

[ember storm]

that's what i mean it's a gameplay thing

majority of exotics are one of a kind, and we're the person who owns them

[trim grotto]

Three Guardians all using Lumina doesn't mean there are three Luminas, for example

There's only one, and that's mixed with gameplay

[ember storm]

there's only a few exotics that have more than one, really

stuff like suros regime are just mass produced products

vex mythoclast because raiding the vault just became a thing to do after we cleared it for the first time

[trim grotto]

I actually have access to a list of Exotics specifically listing whether they're unique or not

[ember storm]

i just think a few of the season pass exotics would be unknowns

like most barely have any lore as is

[trim grotto]

Centrifuse would be classified as Multiple as it is part of a collection of weapon prototypes

[ember storm]

what's the deal with that one anyway

[trim grotto]

What, Centrifuse?

[ember storm]

i just wouldn't think a golden age prototype would be made of what looks like wood

[trim grotto]

Engineers from the New Pacific Arcology diverted attention from some prior projects onto weapon development.

I don't know why it's wood, though.

[ember storm]

the classic scientific method

"it looks cooler"

[little gorge]

is it wood?

the worn out parts kind of look like stone

[chrome fog]

I was more of the mind that it was corroded metal

Like an old rudder; which considering Centrifuse seemed to be a failed experimental generator that looks vaguel rudder-like, maybe it was meant to float in the methane sea to produce energy for the Arcology?

[smoky rose]

Maybe because wood is both solid and not very conductive

I'm sure golden age would have had alternate materials but they may not have been readily available when Centrifuse was developed?

[little gorge]

we have readily available materials for that right now

it's called

plastic

[ember storm]

lore question

how much microplastics are inside the standard human in the current destiny day

and by extension how much are in guardians

[tawdry wigeon]

How long has it been since the traveler left the eliksni?

Also the witness was created more than billion years ago same with the hive as we know it. After that isnt there a huge gap in history without anything happening?

[tawdry mauve]

there is a huge gap of our knowledge

the entire universe didnt just pause

lmao

[smoky rose]

^

[tawdry mauve]

the hive were doing a lot of shit

[tawdry wigeon]

No i know i mean like didnt anything happen? But ig youre right we are missing a ton of info

[smoky rose]

Yes

Rhulk was between the Witness and the Hive

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh true

[ember storm]

there's statues on the dreadnaught predating the earth itself by like billions of years

hive are crusty mfs

[tawdry wigeon]

Do we have any idea how long its been since the traveler left the eliksni?

[smoky rose]

Thousand + years

[tawdry wigeon]

The hive have too much lore idk about and its annoying

[ember storm]

i mean that would require how much time has passed since the golden age started and then some

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh ight

[tawdry wigeon]

True true

[ember storm]

we just know that mithrax is only a few centuries old and that's considered to be young for eliksni

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh i didnt know that

[ember storm]

he was a hatchling by the time the eliksni first arrived in the system

[tawdry wigeon]

All of the races are from other systems?

Yea hive ofc same with vex

[ember storm]

none of them come from the solar system

[smoky rose]

@tawdry wigeon I think you vastly misunderstand the scale that destiny operates at

[ember storm]

we're just a backwater set of planets and moons that the traveler happened to have an epiphany with

[smoky rose]

The Cabal alone controlled dozens of systems

[ember storm]

eliksni in their hayday colonized multiple systems too

[tawdry wigeon]

I def do yea i cant really comprehend how powerful they are in general

[smoky rose]

The Hive slaughtered the Ecumene who were an interstellar empire on a scale significantly larger than even the Cabal

[ember storm]

power is a bit of a poor thing to measure on

[tawdry wigeon]

They never appeared in d1 either?

[smoky rose]

Nope

[ember storm]

how would they appear in d1 if they were slaughtered billions of years ago

[smoky rose]

They were slain billions of years ago

Tai shibeth was another vast empire slaughtered by the Hive

[tawdry wigeon]

I know i cant understand just how they do all these shi in a universal setting

[tawdry wigeon]

Jesus

Hive really are terrifying

And we are beating them like nothing

[smoky rose]

The Witness is plausibly trillions of years old

[ember storm]

did you happen to forget our first interaction with them

[smoky rose]

We don't know how long the cycle lasted

[ember storm]

well both of our first interactions

[tawdry wigeon]

D1?

[ember storm]

there's the moon colony being picked off during a mass outbreak of pyramid induced madness

and then there's the great disaster

[smoky rose]

Battle of Mare Imbrium ^

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh yeye nvm

I thought in general

[ember storm]

almost nothing in the universe started in D1 besides our character specifically

[smoky rose]

Thousands of Guardians dead

[tawdry wigeon]

Nvm

So nvm then they do be strong

But then we didn't know how to beat them

Now we do no?

[smoky rose]

To some extent

[ember storm]

it's entirely circumstantial

the entire reason we could even get at Crota was due to something completely out of our control that happened ages ago

[tawdry wigeon]

I see i see

[smoky rose]

I love me some two hive knights getting into an argument

[ember storm]

the way their power structure (metaphorically and literal) works is just also really exploitable

it's a massive crutch that's the only way we can make real progress against them but it doesn't work for ones like savathun or xivu arath

[smoky rose]

@ember storm do you remember the lore tab where the xivu/oryx knights got into an argument and killed themselves

[ember storm]

that's what i was referring to yes

[tawdry wigeon]

I saw a vid once explaining a bit of the hive power scales in ranks and oh boy it made me confused af

[tawdry wigeon]

Where is that from?

[ember storm]

i mean it's almost completely 1:1 to how it is ingame

thrall are at the literal bottom of the chain

acolytes are barely above them

[tawdry wigeon]

The siblings ig killed themselves a shi ton of times

[ember storm]

then they either get promoted to knights or wizards depending on their jobs

there's also some high ranking acolytes too

ogres are just mindless monsters

royal family is up at the top

[smoky rose]

Thrall -> acolyte -> Knight/Wizard -> ascendant hive

[tawdry wigeon]

Revenant acolytes?

[ember storm]

and then the worm gods above that

[ember storm]

no

orange bars are still just basic

[tawdry wigeon]

Wait

What are ogres then?

[ember storm]

i already said that

[tawdry wigeon]

Especially the huge ones from the strike

[ember storm]

they're not part of the structure

[smoky rose]

Ogres are really fucked up

[ember storm]

they're mindless monsters

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh my bad sorry

[ember storm]

created solely as living weapons

[tawdry wigeon]

I see

[ember storm]

anyway the high ranking acolytes i mean are the ones like the deathtongue choristers or the weaponsmiths

[smoky rose]

Charged with Hive sorcery, Ogres are abominations of flesh and rage, unleashed from the deepest Hive tunnels as engines of destruction. Apocryphal lore suggests that Ogres undergo terrible transformations as they grow - agonizing rituals that gift them with might and cunning.

[ember storm]

basically if you're shitty at your job or just born at the wrong time you get two paths

[tawdry wigeon]

Bro even ogres have lore omg

[ember storm]

cursed thrall which just makes you a suicide unit

or an ogre which makes you constantly in pain

[ember storm]

i mean

everything has lore

it's not like ogres don't exist in the universe

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea thats true

[smoky rose]

The Books of Sorrow alone have 50 tabs

[tawdry wigeon]

About the ether monsters sorry i somehow forgot their name my mind is blank. What about them?

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea thats mad

[smoky rose]

Scorn?

[tawdry wigeon]

Yess

[ember storm]

well they're sort of what you'd expect

zombified eliksni

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh eliksni oh dang

Why eliksni tho?

[ember storm]

dark ether

ether is a special substance only eliksni biology is heavily tied to

[smoky rose]

@tawdry wigeon Uldren Sov found a dying fallen archon who had been shot by a golden gun and wished for him to live, which Riven granted

Thus creating the first Scorn, Fikrul, the Fanatic

[ember storm]

jumpscare

[empty fern]

Plated vandal

[tawdry wigeon]

I just love how bungie ties in diff characters together to create a completely new thing

Like with uldren and the scorn

So cool

Was it at the jail? I don't recall if that happened in the jail before forsaken or mid story

[empty fern]

I think it was at the jail

[tawdry wigeon]

I see alright thank you

Are ahamkaras a race? Like the "dragons" of this game?

[empty fern]

Yea

Wish dragons

Although they are all shapes and sizes

Some of their bones can be found on io (I think?)

[ember storm]

no

[smoky rose]

Fikrul didn't happen at the prison

The scorn did

Fikrul was out when Guardians were hunting down fallen mining crews

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhhhh okay okay okay i see alright

[tawdry wigeon]

No goes for what?

[smoky rose]

Fikrul is the only scorn with a functional brain

Him, Uldren, and Fikrul's gang (the Barons from Forsaken), ran all over the reef until they were captured by Cayde-6 and Petra Venj

Note that the Scorn Barons were not actually Scorn

They were regular Fallen

[rich veldt]

arent most of the barons regular fallen? i swear only like 2 were scorn in the campaign and 1 was scornified after

[smoky rose]

^

[real ingot]

Machinist was turned into scorn afterwards pretty sure

The rest were just Eliksni

[outer dragon]

Though there is record of non-eliksni using/consuming Ether
Drifter mentions it I think and there is an Awoken Lightbearer who rezed on the Reef and was made to fight in gladiator style pit who injects it

[tawdry wigeon]

Ahh i see i got it alright thanks

[ember storm]

that’s just further explanation to how the only race compatible with it are Eliksni

to quote drifter:

You ever try any Ether? Heh… haha… hahaha. Yeah, don't. Wild stuff.

[slim elk]

And that's coming from the man who has eaten Hive God

[tawdry wigeon]

Sorry what??????

[real ingot]

Drifter has eaten many things

[slim elk]

Listen to his intros in gambit

Plenty of them have him mention he's eaten the other races.. or is planning to

I joke that Drifters freezer is where we are keeping Savathuns corpse

Eris was dissecting it... and Drifters been getting closer to Eris as of late..

[wind belfry]

snackathun

[slim elk]

Indeed

[shadow warren]

Has he actually eaten a hive god

I’m familiar with the gambit voice line but that doesn’t mention a god

[dim minnow]

it's a joke

he has eaten Hive though

partcularly their eyes

[slim elk]

It does sound like the sorta shit Drifter would pull as well

[shadow warren]

If he could yeah

Oryx’s body is on titan right?

Based on the ghosts of the deep lore

[trim grotto]

Well, not any longer. The Hidden have secured it.

[shadow warren]

Ah damn

No snacks for drifter

So we now have savathuns and oryx’s bodies

The hidden could start a wild trophy case

[dim minnow]

Drifter could just put on some stolen Hidden armor and sneak in

[shadow warren]

That’s true he wouldn’t have much problem doing that

I bet we’ll get a title called hidden at some point

[torpid flint]

Is that a new ship?

Actually, don’t answer that

[torpid flint]

He did it at a vanguard meeting, he’ll do fine

[outer dragon]

What is her name, the Awoken Lightbearer that rezed on the Reef after Crow and was forced to fight as a gladiator

She straight up injected ether though

[tranquil imp]

Idk how to say this but does savathun and xivu arath work together or have the same motives

Like do they even like each other?

[smoky rose]

New???

Not at all

Drifter and Eris has been a thing for ages

[wind belfry]

best destiny ship imo

[real ingot]

No

One is a fanatic to sword logic

The other is a complete heretic

[tranquil imp]

In English plz 😂

[wind belfry]

they like sword logic

[ember storm]

Xivu Arath is very religious and Savathun doesn’t want to be

they had a hard falling out over it a while ago

[trim grotto]

Trihn

[real ingot]

that is as english as it gets

[little gorge]

honestly just give us a full on season of the hidden

that could kinda fit in with savathun's return

although i think season of the cunning would also be a great title for that

[dim minnow]

Trihn

[trim grotto]

[mint lake]

The video show like person wielding the arc kill refuge that in running. That is Zavala or just video missed some part?

[trim grotto]

I think you should actually watch the video

It clearly shows Zavala and it shows him protecting the civilians

[dim minnow]

he leaps over the civilians and fist of havocs the Fallen chasing them

[mint lake]

Had to slow it down and saw the things have 4 hand like fallen

[trim grotto]

They are Fallen

[mint lake]

I was watching the new version, possible some second is cut out.

[trim grotto]

New... version?

[mint lake]

They one that Bungie upload as Archive ?

[trim grotto]

It shouldn't be a new version, just a new upload.

https://youtu.be/9H0RD-E38So?t=100

Try this for the actual cutscene

[mint lake]

The new upload cutscrene reduced some part where fallen are chasing the refuge, hence cause some missconcept for me

[mint lake]

Thanks You.

[analog torrent]

Is there a place I can read the contents of the grimoires in order? Tryna get the feel of each one before buying one

[trim grotto]

I don't know if anyone has listed them as such, though there are some digital versions for a couple of the Grimoires.

[fresh zephyr]

I'm new to Destiny lore, and if I understand correctly Exo are basically human consciousness uploaded into robots. Do we know if the voices they have as Exp are what their voices sounded like when they were human? Or can Exo like, modify the sound of their voice however they like?

[trim grotto]

actually wait hang on i have all of them digital

[trim grotto]

While an Exo voice could in theory be modified, at a standard it would be a mimicry of their original Human voice. Not only is it a method of identity both for the Exo and those who know them, but it would assist with combating DER by helping the Exo feel at home in their body.

Whether an Exo tries to modify their voice later into their life is probably dependant on the Exo and whether they have a technician capable enough to work on Golden Age proprietary tech, as well as whether they're comfortable enough with their own sense of self to even consider the change.

[outer dragon]

I think that given DER exists, changing their voice would be an issue

Maybe a Lightbearer exo could find a way but then you run into the issue of how would their ghost rebuild them? Would they have to "fix" their voice each time they rezed?

[trim grotto]

Can't say for sure, but possibly.

[chrome fog]

Voice changing could actually help mitigate DER if they had initial dysphoria with their human body

[safe galleon]

so like

when the collapse happened, did some animals just go extinct or something. i've never seen like a cat or something in destiny

and the only real dog i recall is that one robot one from seraph

[smoky rose]

Dogs survived the collapse

A guardian had one called Luna

Who died on the moon

You can visit their grave near the portal entrance to GOS

[tawdry mauve]

btw one of the stupidest fucking things you can do

is bring your dog to the hive infested moon

[safe galleon]

i see i see

wonder if anything important went extinct

[tawdry mauve]

Pineppales

[safe galleon]

is that true or are you joking

[tawdry mauve]

its a semi

semi joke

semi serious

[safe galleon]

i see

[chrome fog]

Gone long enough for Ghost to think they were a hybrid between pine trees and apples

https://youtu.be/rGKsn2Js7_c

Pomefigs i kinda get, but if they made kiwicumbers I can see why they could make pine-apples, both are equally weird flavor combinations

[fiery copper]

Kiwi banana is surprisingly good

You'd be surprised

How surprisingly good the surprising combo is

It's such a surprise that the surprise combo is so surprisingly good

[slim elk]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hY8aahFgJEw

Latest Veil containment

[trim grotto]

There are a bunch in the Tower. You can see them in game.

[slim elk]

Lakshmi-2 was on the trip Stargazer did where rasputins files on Neomuna were deleted

Based on the wording.... they never intended to reestablish contact at all. It was a mission directly intended to purge any info that could lead to the Veil.

[chrome fog]

It is, but like. Cucumber and Kiwi. That’s like, too much water content for any flavor to exist

[fiery copper]

Lol

[slim elk]

So now we know how Lakshmi-2 got to Earth and who's behind Neomuna's conspiracy

[fiery copper]

I completely misread kiwicumber as kiwinana

Idk how

[chrome fog]

Plus the crunchiness of cucumber would conflict with kiwi

We do have wheat and either pigs or cows since Ramen has survived the societal collapse of the Collapse

[fiery copper]

According to cayde in a d2 launch trailer, the red legion wiped out puppies

[chrome fog]

He’s exaggerating there, plus he calls Ghaul Gary

[fiery copper]

Which means Luna was never real and Luna's Howl was a publicity stunt to embezzle donations

Oh 100% I just think it's funny

[chrome fog]

Very fair and that is also very funny that it was a marketing stunt in some universe out there

[fiery copper]

The paraverse is eternal after all

Retcons aren't retcons, expansions are just sequels set in universes where it was always true

[ember storm]

who needs dogs when you have a perfectly good doghive

[empty fern]

[fiery copper]

I hate the concept of doghives

[ember storm]

do you prefer the delicious product of cow things instead?

[empty fern]

Nezquik tea
Or the cow thing coffee

[safe galleon]

so we all agree savathun is probably gonna betray us at some point after we resurrect her, right

[smoky rose]

I don’t know

I assume Eris and the Hidden are pretty competent

Plus she doesn’t really have a choice

[safe galleon]

i mean, she still has an army, or at least i'm pretty sure the hive lightbearers still take immaru's orders. and she is, famously, pretty slippery

you know, god of cunning and stuff

[smoky rose]

You wanna know something

Xivu Arath has a much much larger army

[safe galleon]

that's true i guess

but we did kill her, and we're only bringing her back basically on the condition of constant surveillance. imagine a guy kills you and you're resurrected more or less so they can keep u hostage for information

im betting youd be pretty pissed

[dim minnow]

and the reason why Lakshmi was sent with Stargazer was purely because Chioma couldn't stand looking at her

but the timeline seems a little weird to me

since the Fallen first appeared not very long after the Collapse

and the Burning of London was pretty much the first thing they did

and we also know that Lakshmi was there when it happened

[safe galleon]

the fallen burned london? maybe they're not so bad /j

[dim minnow]

and you also have to account for Rasputin going to sleep and waking himself up

[slim elk]

Yeah..
Thinking its a retcon on Bungies part

Per Stargazers report we had Dark Age Era Warlords already present when they showed

[smoky rose]

I don’t think it’s entirely unrealistic

[slim elk]

Does indicate the whole "scout and see if can contact" was a cover for the mission though

[smoky rose]

I think destiny is operating on a >1000 year timeline not like 700

[slim elk]

Nimbus indicated that Esi would have been old by the time that log was recorded

That's putting the timespan around a few decades

[smoky rose]

Bear in mind “shortly after” for the fallen could even be like a century

Which would explain warlords being established

[safe galleon]

wait, just to clarify

[smoky rose]

We also don’t know how old Chioma was

[safe galleon]

do we have a ballpark of any of the aliens species' lifespans in d2?

besides 'really long'

[smoky rose]

Thousands of years for both eliksni and cabal

N/A for the vex

[slim elk]

Literally everyone but humans are immortal lol

[smoky rose]

For the hive as long as they kill and don’t die

The cabal are very much not immortal

They literally just calcify into statues

[slim elk]

Still talking millennia long lifespans still

[smoky rose]

Yes

[slim elk]

Midnight coup happened few thousands years ago

[smoky rose]

Lol no it was not that long

[slim elk]

Cabal Booklet says it was

[safe galleon]

i mean, exos can survive for god knows how long running on radiolaria, can't they? and they're made to be at least effectively immortal so i'd imagine the vex are the same

[smoky rose]

The exos are not, in fact, immortal

They have to be reset in order to preserve their brains and they start to degrade after about 20

[slim elk]

Granted the resets themselves are unknown how long can go for

[safe galleon]

resource management must be an ordeal then 💀 maybe that's why most the alien species are expansionary

[slim elk]

Ada-1 has been active since directly after the collapse (weeks to months) with no resets

[safe galleon]

didn't clovis advertise them as a way to effectively circumvent mortality, though?

'the solution to humanity's most crushing problem' or whatever he said in the dsc speech i forget

or well

[slim elk]

Considering we have exos still active centuries after the collapse?

[safe galleon]

whatever his AI said

[slim elk]

He made it happen lol

But yeah

We uncovered the mastermind behind Neomuna's conspiracy... Esi herself

[safe galleon]

listen, i'd love to ooh and aah at that, but i'm going to be completely honest here: i have NAWT been keeping up with the neomuna lore. who is esi again?

[slim elk]

Ishtar researcher

[ember storm]

she's a special case physically and mentally

[slim elk]

But we got actually got a mimimum hard timeline estimate thanks to that little log

Stargazer was not the first Cloudstrider.. that was The Strider (Mikaela Julaha)

[ember storm]

souped up custom frame with BA tech and she was also a child when uploaded

[dim minnow]

Chioma Esi was a member of an Ishtar research team in charge of studying Vex

[slim elk]

We don't know stargazers exact position in the line.. but Cloudstriders lifespans means that Lakshmi-2 was thrown back to earth bare mimimum a decade after the Collapse

[dim minnow]

her team also consisted of Dr. Shim, Duane McNiadh, and her wife, Maya Sundaresh

[safe galleon]

i see i see

[dim minnow]

after they saved various sets of simulations of themselves from the Vex with Rasputin's help, Chioma would end up on Hyperion while Maya Sundaresh would be one of the founders of the Future War Cult on Earth (Tibet specifically I think)

then Chioma would end up on Neptune (maybe with the Exodus ship that Soteria was able to send out) where they discover the Veil while Maya would take the Exodus Indigo there

[ember storm]

do you think neomuni are also filled with microplastics

[dim minnow]

microdiamonds probably

[slim elk]

We know Cloudstriders are lol

[safe galleon]

i don't think a single city of, presumably, a couple million people on a gas giant would physically be able to output enough waste for it to biomagnify (is this a word???) into all of their food

people on earth may still be filled with microplastics, but with all the space magic stuff being thrown around, and whatever diseases the fallen and cabal and stuff might carry, i think there are far more concerning things to worry about entering their bodies

using a solar grenade to warm up in the winter and it immediately gives some innocent random non guardian human fatal radiation poisoning

[slim elk]

Thinking on it..
Yeah.. all Neomuni must be cyborgs to some degree

Access to the Cloudark without needing to be in stasis

[safe galleon]

how do we know that golden age humans didnt like, solve the world's environmental issues, or something. maybe they made a giant beam to get rid of all the earth's microplastics. i dont think d2 gets into the boring stuff like that

[slim elk]

Nah.. they haven't gotten into it

They haven't said how USA apparently turned into the North American Empire

[dim minnow]

Earth got pretty badly polluted

I think Antartica was gone even before the Collapse

[safe galleon]

aw

[dim minnow]

which is why people in-universe question if it ever existed in the first place

[safe galleon]

well they probably gave it a fair shake anyway. A for effort i guess

[safe galleon]

did nawt know this

[dim minnow]

let's see

before the Golden Age but after humanity learned of the Traveler (known as Moon X at this point), there was a riot between two opposing "Moon X" cults in New Orleans

[outer dragon]

The Rasmussen member (Helen or Helga?) Was working on exos with Clovis

[dim minnow]

The Panama Canal became a Ravine

Hawkesbury, Australia got flooded and became the Hawkesbury Sea

[slim elk]

Don't forget generally implied lower water levels

[dim minnow]

a Rabbit Embryo is the reason the Awoken exist

[smoky rose]

The Gulf of California is a desert

[ember storm]

doghives

[smoky rose]

As is the panama canal

[slim elk]

Cosmodrome literally has dry docks and ships aground ingame

[ember storm]

doghives

[dim minnow]

the first Guardian Mara Sov met was gameplay accurate

[smoky rose]

Gulf of mexico actually

[ember storm]

mara's colony ship had people form an irl fanbase with fanart

[smoky rose]

For some reason I thought Oriskany was on the other side of mexico

[dim minnow]

and they left tips

[safe galleon]

so like, with the pollution thing, depending on how long the golden age lasted, would there even be enough fossil fuels to keep burning to further fuck stuff up. ive never thought about when we'll run out in real life but its probably somewhere within a century right

[ember storm]

it was basically a cult

[ember storm]

i mean i'm pretty sure we'd have just moved on from fossil fuels entirely

[safe galleon]

yea thats what i mean

[slim elk]

Still had nukes around

Manhattan Nuclear Zone

[smoky rose]

Nah there's a lot left over, we are not burning through it that quickly

There is so much fossil fuel under the ground its pretty silly

This place is canonically a desert

[safe galleon]

aw

[safe galleon]

how did an entire section of ocean recede, exactly?

[smoky rose]

I dunno

[safe galleon]

someone said antarctica is gone. wouldnt that Raise water levels

[slim elk]

Your dealing with earth being caught in the crossfire between two paracausal forces duking it out

[safe galleon]

[slim elk]

Logic does Not Apply

[smoky rose]

For context IRL oriskany's flight deck sits about 145 feet (~44 meters) under the water

[slim elk]

I'm interested in the timeline though

Thanks to this log it heavily implies London managed to survive for decades after the Collapse

[ember storm]

i mean, survive is a strong word

i'm honestly just imagining something like how boston is presented in fo4

[safe galleon]

so like, to be clear, the last city being called the last city is referring to its scale, right? there are definitely other, at the very least, small settlements arent there

[ember storm]

pretty fucked up, but the city still exists and it's still habitable

[slim elk]

Yep

[ember storm]

fallen burnt literally everything to the ground tho

[slim elk]

Can literally see them ingame

[ember storm]

i mean

yes

that's what city means

[dim minnow]

Antarctica is also canonically a desert

[slim elk]

Go to the Farm and look over the river

[dim minnow]

or was

[ember storm]

if the others are smaller then they're not cities

[slim elk]

Can see few buildings with living inhabitants

[ember storm]

it is in real life

[dim minnow]

yes, real life canon

[smoky rose]

210 feet of water where she sank, the ship being about 140 feet tall from keel to the top of the island

[safe galleon]

i guess

[safe galleon]

i'm so glad that they decided to put antarctica from destiny 2 in real life

very cool, bungie!

[dim minnow]

Antarctica isn't real in Destiny though

[safe galleon]

well, it WAS

at some point

probably

they retconned it into real life as a nod to destiny lore

its like how ronald reagan was retconned into real life upon the release of the hit lemon demon song, 'reaganomics', as a promotional stunt

[pine lion]

Loved how we were given more lore about the traveler and winnower and the witness from a seasonal activity over an actual dlc mission.

[slim elk]

Yeah..
The way they did this... sucks big time

Dues ex machina from Titan returning even

[uneven canyon]

Did savathun have something to do with the sanctified mind?

[real ingot]

no

[uneven canyon]

Why were we sent to take out the sanctified mind?

The witness gave us that artifact right?

[real ingot]

following the signal the artifact gave us

[uneven canyon]

Why did the witness give us it

[real ingot]

Send us messages

That's what Unveiling is

[uneven canyon]

Ah

I didn’t play arrivals

[smoky rose]

To fuck with us and try and manipulate us to join its side

[pine lion]

Are we given a cutscene I missed somewhere? Because idk how tf we know where nezarec is? All I know of nezarec is his voiceline during vexnet strike about being pain and terror.

But what actually sends us to nezarecs pyramid?

[real ingot]

Nezarec's pyramid is on the moon

the Pyramid in RoN is the Witness'

Called there for a few reason

namely it was the Pyramid of the Witness and it's best for us to search it

and Nez was giving us messages in Terminal Overload

[pine lion]

How did we figure that out? (I swear I paid attention to shadowkeep)

[pine lion]

I still gotta do that..

[real ingot]

He's the Nightmare guy

The luna pyramid

has nightmares

his body was also found in the pyramid

[pine lion]

Yeah, I fought the nightmares of ghaul, the trickster and one other.

In that pyramid

[real ingot]

Ghaul, Fikrul and Crota

[pine lion]

Ye

[real ingot]

Plunder confirmed it was his

But through other stuff we assumed it was his pyramid

[pine lion]

Ah, I didint play during plunder.

Alr sir, continue to shower me with your knowledge on why we must tango with another disciple of the witness.

(Nezarec chungus)

[real ingot]

Investigation

We had 0 leads

We knew Nez was up there

orbiting Earth

So we searched it

turns out Nez was harnessing light and dark

and we may have ended up causing the planets to reappear based off the cutscene after

[pine lion]

Does that mean. We might be able to play on Mercury, Titan, Io, Venus again?

[real ingot]

Venus never disappeared

[smoky rose]

We actually go to Titan this season (albeit not as a destination)

There's missions, a dungeon etc there

[pine lion]

….under the sea sadly.

[smoky rose]

Two activities

The activities take place on the surface

The dungeon starts in the arcology

[pine lion]

I poayed hella during this season, kinda liked the surface better…

[smoky rose]

But yeah anyways

[real ingot]

Io and Mercury may have shit happen though Titan had stuff with it beforehand

If the Vex are relevant we may return to the other two

[smoky rose]

Titan: already played it, maybe it comes back fully who knows
Mercury: TBD
Io: TBD

Venus was only ever in D1

As of current we have zero reason to go there

It was never taken

Just no reason to bother with it

[pine lion]

Maybe next dungeon will be on the reappeared planet of IO or Mercury.

[smoky rose]

I doubt they'd do that again

[real ingot]

Don't count on them returning

[smoky rose]

Neomuna and Europa still need dungeons

[real ingot]

Titan had prior shit with Ahsa before it was taken

[pine lion]

Im not so keen about Neomuna. But im all for a dungeon on europa.

[real ingot]

Io and Mercury we don't have anything happening there aside from Vex stuff

[smoky rose]

^ also

[pine lion]

Bring back the Old Leviathan???

[real ingot]

that's Nessus

and that happened back in Haunted

[smoky rose]

Story beats for the immediate future have zero apparent connection to either destination

And yeah the Levi is already back

[pine lion]

Yeah, bring it back to nessus or legends tab

[smoky rose]

If you go to the moon you can see it

[pine lion]

Nawww not that levi.

[smoky rose]

What... but like, why

[pine lion]

The golden Levii

[smoky rose]

It's the same ship

Why introduce a discontinuity in the timeline

[pine lion]

Nah but that ones darker, and over come with egregor shit.

[real ingot]

maybe it's the reprised raid but that'll be the last thing we ever get with it

[pine lion]

Lemme return to the baths and soak in opulence.

[real ingot]

shit encounter

[pine lion]

Lemme pet the dogs again in gardens

[real ingot]

But yeah back to lore

returning to Io and Mercury doesn't make much sense

[smoky rose]

For the moment

[pine lion]

I mean. Could they bring back CoO if they bring back mercury?

[smoky rose]

I doubt they'll ever return the campaign

[real ingot]

Not sure why you want that back

[smoky rose]

The strikes sure, if they bring it back

[pine lion]

I enjoyed the strikes

[smoky rose]

But again

Realistically

Next season is Sav v Xivu

We don't know what's going on in season 23

[real ingot]

currently Sav is the main goal

[smoky rose]

But Vex are all but explicitly confirmed to be post-final shape

[pine lion]

Oh yeah, cuz Asha told us the answer was through cunning, and we all know whos the master of cunning. Savathun

[smoky rose]

Vex are the only possible justification for going to either of those planets

[real ingot]

No she just told us Sav knows what's up

[smoky rose]

And even then I'd argue Neomuna offers more compelling justification

[smoky rose]

She literally said the Witch Queen must Rise

Like she straight up just said it

[real ingot]

Neomuna still holds the key to defeating the Witness

[pine lion]

Is her ghost still bing chilling?

[smoky rose]

And as for the Xivu portion, final lore tab of the season has the Witness telling Xivu to "show her your love" which in hive context is wage war

[smoky rose]

Sav? yep

Just hanging out on the throne world

Calling us nerd

You knoww

Immaru stuff

[pine lion]

Bet, get her to res savathun.

[real ingot]

I also think we have a higher chance of the Dreadnaught making an appearance over Mercury/Io seeing as Xivu was present there

[smoky rose]

Him and yes, that's presumably what we are doing

[pine lion]

Btw after the defeat of the taken king, whos taking command of le dreadnaught

[smoky rose]

Right now Eris and Ikora and the Hidden (presumably) are getting things set up

We can't let this get out of hand

[smoky rose]

No one

Its a derelict

Still just vibing around saturn

[pine lion]

As in, just floating for ever

[real ingot]

can't be controlled

[pine lion]

?

[real ingot]

Anuk and Haluk died

Oryx is dead

we put down his dog

Xivu has been present there but that's all we get

[pine lion]

What was his dog? Golgoroth?

[real ingot]

yes

that is not a joke

he was Oryx's dog

[pine lion]

Damn

Did Anuk or Haluk have any offspring?

Any new bosses from em?

That we may have killed already?

[smoky rose]

Nope

Oryx's entire lineage is dead

All of his children, all of Crota's many children

And Crota's grandchildren

[pine lion]

What was one of crotas grandchildren

[smoky rose]

Yishra, Ayriax, and Ulg'Urin

We never fought any of them, but Osiris showed up and cooked them all

[pine lion]

Who of crotas children have we fought?

[smoky rose]

Alongside Voshyr and Kinox, the ^ parents and the only two of Crota's children we didn't kill directly

[pine lion]

Aw

I have lore question, what was the reason for pit?

Of heresy

[smoky rose]

Oryx's Children:
Ir Anuk & Ir Halak: killed by the Guardian
Nokris: killed by the Guardian
Alak Hul (adopted son): killed by the Guardian
Crota: killed by the Guardian
Omnigul (crota's wife, not oryx's but in here anyways): killed by the Guardian

Crota's Children:
Hashladun: killed by the Guardian
Besurith: killed by the Guardian
Voshyr: killed by Osiris
Kinox: killed by Osiris

Crota's grandchildren:
all 3 killed by Osiris

[outer dragon]

The Hive in the Pit are practicing Necromancy

[pine lion]

Dayum, the lore guardian must be op as duck

[outer dragon]

Though the original use of the Pit below the Scarlet Keep was a Hive Crucible to make them stronger in the sword logic

[pine lion]

Scarlet keep was hive crucible?

[outer dragon]

The Pit was originally if I am understanding Hive lore right

[pine lion]

Trials of Crota

[outer dragon]

Zulmak was making a play for Crota's place and Crota's Daughters killed him. Then he was brought back as a nightmareish hybrid

[pine lion]

Making a play? Hive knows theatrics?

[pine lion]

“Making a play for crotas place” zulmak wanted to take crotas throne?

[outer dragon]

Yes

[pine lion]

Dam, thats not cool.

[outer dragon]

In the Sword Logic it's totally cool

[pine lion]

Also why cant we send all the guardians to fight massive battles?

[smoky rose]

That no work gooder

We did that

Crota clapped our cheeks big time

Like thousands of guardians permadead

Including some big names

[pine lion]

Who permadied?

[smoky rose]

One of the big names includes Wei Ning

You know, the Titan who punched a mountain and moved it

Name's on a lot of titan lore

[pine lion]

Anything cool about a warlock?

I read about Felwinter

Was he cool?

[smoky rose]

Felwinter is very cool

Ill come back to that

[pine lion]

Bet

[outer dragon]

Ikora is a hacker

Used two Nova bombs with very little time between

Also used Nova and then Chaos Reach

[smoky rose]

Eriana-3 wanted to avenge Wei Ning and joined the first fireteam to attempt to assault Crota, all of them died except for Eris Morn who escaped sans light

And sort of Toland

He became a little light ball

I guess Omar Agah isn't really dead either, he's a bug that now exists inside Xenophage

[outer dragon]

Omar is best gun

[pine lion]

Fr

Helped me clap Taniks in dsc

[pine lion]

Did eriana become that little special handcannon?

[smoky rose]

No

[outer dragon]

Nope

[pine lion]

Erians vow?

[smoky rose]

She just died

The hand cannon was her gun

But Eriana just died

[pine lion]

Oh

Aw. Welp rip

Who taught ikora?

Im guessing osiris

Cuz osiris used to be the warlock vanguard

And saint taught zavala,

Cuz saint used to be titan vanguard

[smoky rose]

Saint did not teach Zavala

Saladin did

[pine lion]

Wat?

Damn.

But saint was titan vanguard right?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[smoky rose]

Yes

[trim grotto]

And Commander, yes.

[smoky rose]

Zavala is older than the city is

[trim grotto]

So was Osiris though

Saint was Commander for about one day

[pine lion]

I wanna learn about a more militant warlock, who was less researchy nerd warlock, but one who acted more fighty fighty

Is there anyone in the lore?

[smoky rose]

@trim grotto you got the felwinter explanation?

[trim grotto]

Just, in general?

[smoky rose]

Yeah

[trim grotto]

Felwinter.

[pine lion]

Teach me about felwinter pretty pls, before bed

🙏

[trim grotto]

Well I'm on mobile so give me a tick to write up some Felwinter stuff

[outer dragon]

Short notes?

I can do

But Felwinter is a LONG STORY

[trim grotto]

Alrighty.
During the Golden Age, Rasputin created a custom AI from Rasputin's own code known as a SIDDHARTHA Golem. It was uploaded into an Exo Frame and was used to live amongst and research Humanity.

Then, the Collapse. The Golem died.
However, one day, along came a Ghost, who resurrected the Exo and named him Felwinter. He, in turn, named her Felspring, because he's an incredibly creative person.
That's right. Felwinter isn't human at all, unlike other Exo. He's purely AI and unique in that.

[pine lion]

Woah

Imagine the fel family

[trim grotto]

Felwinter didn't learn this for years, however.

For a long time Felwinter ran and hid from Rasputin, who had detected his activation and tried to hunt Felwinter down. His "son" was "stolen" by the Light, and in his tyrany, he felt envy and rage. Plus, it was a massive operational security risk, as Felwinter could access Rasputin's old bunkers.

Eventually, Felwinter settled upon what he dubbed Felwinter Peak. Again, very creative man. Some time after that he was convinced to join the Iron Lords, which gave him drive and purpose in life.

[pine lion]

Ooh, this must be the part where he meets a cool dude names saladin

[trim grotto]

However, Felwinter was very strict in his personal moral code. Very pointed, even militant.
When he discovered that Lord Dryden of the Iron Lords used a village as collateral damage in an ambush, he grabbed his Iron Banner equipment, racked his shotgun, and went on a manhunt.
Felwinter broke the Iron Code semi-regularly for that which he deemed as special cases.

The Dark Horse of the Iron Lords.

[smoky rose]

Iron Code, for reference, meaning no killing Ghosts

[trim grotto]

Iron Decree, that is. My mistake.

[smoky rose]

(among other things but this is the relevant portion for felwinter)

Also side fact when he joined the Iron Lords he already had a damaged warlord ghost embedded in the back of his helmet which they asked him to remove but he never did

You can see it on Felwinter's Helm in game

[trim grotto]

It's still sort of alive.

[smoky rose]

He also got decapitated by Lord Shaxx one time

[trim grotto]

A backhanded strike so powerful it tore off his head

[pine lion]

Damn

[smoky rose]

Anyways, Siva/iron lord time?

[trim grotto]

Anyway, Felwinter was a bit of a badass.

Ah, yes. The Ironsbane.

[pine lion]

He sounded cool.

How did he die permanently tho

Did he?

[smoky rose]

We'll get to that

[pine lion]

Alr

[smoky rose]

Also part of why there's only 2 iron lords left, Lady Efrideet and Lord Saladin

[trim grotto]

The Ironsbane. That which killed off everyone else, just about.

See, Felwinter was digging through old Rasputin bunkers, when he discovered something. A reference to an old technology, a colony construction tool of the Golden Age.

Something that could be returned to Humanity, to build anew. A new city. Maybe more.

So Felwinter and the Iron Lords gathered together, hundreds strong, and approached Site 6. Home of the SIVA Replication Complex.

[pine lion]

Woahh did felwinter contribute to the construction of the last city?

[trim grotto]

Sort of. By this time the City was built but it was no fortress.

The discovery, as it turns out, was a trap. A lure by Rasputin to trick Felwinter into Rasputin's trap.

This was the Ironsbane. Automated defences and weaponised SIVA slaughtered every single Iron Lord except for Lord Saladin (and Efrideet, who was not there), all to get to Felwinter.

Which, indeed, it did.

[pine lion]

Nuuuuuuuu

[smoky rose]

Site 6 was sealed until the Rise of Iron DLC where the Fallen got access to it and used it to enhance themselves

[outer dragon]

I wondered where he got that

[smoky rose]

In the final mission of the campaign we enter the replication chamber to destroy it

[trim grotto]

Eventually, we ourselves entered, and fought the SIVA infected corpse of Felwinter. Putting him down for good.

[smoky rose]

^

Alongside Gheleon and Jolder

[trim grotto]

Rasputin, in the end, regretted his actions.

[smoky rose]

Or what was left of them

[pine lion]

Were these ironlords?

[smoky rose]

Yes

Some of the hundreds that were killed in the Ironsbane

I cannot stress this enough

There were at least 100 iron lords and ladies and wolves who went into Site 6
1 escaped and 1 wasn't there to begin with

[outer dragon]

All but 3 Iron Lords are dead

[smoky rose]

2 at the time, since then we are the Young Wolf™️

[outer dragon]

Thats fair

[smoky rose]

Technically the third iron lord/lady

[outer dragon]

Im being a goober

[pine lion]

Oh yeah by d2 are we “The” Guardian, an iron lord?

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/-0twPNuNh7I
https://youtu.be/LlKWBXlQSJU

[smoky rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jop2dgE2TXw @pine lion you can see the last stand inside the replication chamber

[trim grotto]

Watch Discus's video, then mine, in order.

[trim grotto]

Technically, yes.

[rich veldt]

when did ironsbane happen compared to when d1 happens

[trim grotto]

Ironsbane? Between Six Fronts and Twilight Gap. Decades to centuries ago.

[rich veldt]

right

[slim elk]

Hasn't been word from Efrideet from a while either..

[smoky rose]

Nope, she's off in her little pacifist guardian colony

[rich veldt]

she just chilling

[smoky rose]

Which btw would have been a perfect place for Lightfall

[pine lion]

If you mention the name felwinter, what do you think saladin would do or say to u

[slim elk]

Honestly? I consider Efrideet and her pacifists dead

[rich veldt]

idk on that

[slim elk]

No reaction to Saladin joining the Cabal?

[smoky rose]

No reason for them to know

They aren't in contact with anyone

[rich veldt]

do you think she cares?

[smoky rose]

Cut off, just like neomuna

[pine lion]

But he did get placed pretty high, i mean hes on the war council, prob makin that 6 Figure Cabal Boon Salary

[smoky rose]

Efrideet only showed up in Red War because everyone lost their light so she ran off to the city to figure out what was going on

[pine lion]

Efrideet a coward fr fr, Devrim kay is more courageous

[slim elk]

Yeah
Like said I figure that pacifist colony was one of the first causalities when Pyramids showed

[smoky rose]

The Pyramids didn't fuck with much when they showed up

They stole a few planets

But no indication Efrideet was on any of them

[slim elk]

Have to be extremely delusional to think pacifism be a proper response now lol

[rich veldt]

we would know if she had been on a pyramid planet as she probably woulda left it

[slim elk]

"Just causally stole Mars and Mercury. No problem lol"

[pine lion]

Fr I think a Shadow Legion Incindior should “firefight” her camp.

[rich veldt]

she might be a pacifist, but she still knows how to and presumably would fight if her camp came in danger

[slim elk]

That's the fun part. It is

Everything's in danger after what the Witness pulled

[pine lion]

Actually not everyone: IX are bing chilling in eternity just vibing away in xurs treasure horde

I hope my boy xur aint in danger

🙏

[rich veldt]

what? she isnt in direct danger tho. the pyramids arent going planet to planet and i doubt the shadow legion are gonna find them

[smoky rose]

^

[slim elk]

Think Efrideet would notice the light being screwy after lightfall per our ghosts comments lol

[smoky rose]

Light isn't interfered with, as far as they are concerned nothing's going on

Function of the light, that is

The presence of the traveler isn't felt but if they are really far away no telling if that presence was noticeable to begin with

[rich veldt]

its not that screwy tho compared to straight up loosing it

[slim elk]

Aye
Anyway. Still extremely delusional to have fought the Hive-Fallen for years and come to the conclusion Pacifism is the way to go heh

[pine lion]

Hey, in thay cutscene before the witness opened a triangle in our traveler, did our guardian fr hesitated cuz he knew if he shot the ghost he would be lightless. Is that why he hesitated?

[slim elk]

Don't forget ghosts are the closest relationships guardians have

[rich veldt]

our ghost is a good friend of course we hesitated

[smoky rose]

Would you shoot your best friend that you've had for almost 10 years

The thing that brought us back from the dead

The only reason we aren't very, very dead again

[pine lion]

Small price to pay to save the universe 😎

[rich veldt]

jf anything where was that fucking speed on aiming against immaru

[pine lion]

Would have we saved the universe?

If we shot the ghost?

[smoky rose]

Well

[rich veldt]

probably not

[smoky rose]

The Witness would have shown up and done it itself I imagine

[pine lion]

Aw

[rich veldt]

the witness aint just gonna give up because plan A and plan B failed

[real ingot]

Honestly we may have been in deeper shit if we killed ghost

Witness made 1 radial mast

Possible they can create another

[pine lion]

Rip Rohan, became a fuckin bomb

[rich veldt]

the vanguard/hidden would go investigate and that could probably end up creating a link

[pine lion]

Why tf is there only two cloud striders at a time?????

[smoky rose]

They die after 10 years

Plus easier to keep control of

[pine lion]

But why only 2

[smoky rose]

Plus good enough

[rich veldt]

cause they only need 2, this has been established

[pine lion]

Why not three or four

[pine lion]

Aw

[real ingot]

Cloudstrider’s are a very

[rich veldt]

well they only needed 2, now they have guardian help

[real ingot]

Horrible experience

[pine lion]

But in a time of occupation or mass danger like right fucking now cuz of big threat called “Witness” they would need more

[real ingot]

Ntm at the time the Vex were the only threat

[pine lion]

Moar cloudstriderss

MOARRR

[real ingot]

You can’t just create Cloudstrider’s in a day

[rich veldt]

cloud striders take time to train

[smoky rose]

And convert

[dim minnow]

indoctrinate*

[pine lion]

Arent there peeps who aspire to become cloudstriders chillin in the cloud ark?

[smoky rose]

And they only have a limited lifespan

[pine lion]

Wait can you get out of the cloudark?

[real ingot]

Doesn’t mean you can just give them modifications Willy nilly

[dim minnow]

yes

[rich veldt]

also we literally showed up minutes after they got invaded and dealt with shit

[dim minnow]

Maelstrom tried making an entire school for training potential cloudstriders, didn't end well

[pine lion]

Das true, actually how long story wise did it take from us crash landing onto neptune, to killing calus and ending lightfall?

[real ingot]

A day

Like all campaigns

[rich veldt]

they dont normally live in the cloud ark time

[trim grotto]

Red War went over months

[smoky rose]

Lightfall was almost certainly less than a day

Given the cutscene

[pine lion]

Cuz we had to venture to all the fuckin planets

[real ingot]

Red War is always the exception

Except in average campaign quality

Even though I’d say it was below average even for the time

[pine lion]

How long was forsaken?

[real ingot]

Depends what we count as part of Forsaken’s story

[rich veldt]

pedantics dova. you say indoctrinate, i say train, same shit different day

[real ingot]

Forsaken had a campaign

[pine lion]

Ik damn well we probably couldn’t take out 7-8 Strong scorns mean while trying to track em down, cuz they scattered when they killed cayde cuz they knew they fucked up

In a single day

[real ingot]

But the main story was more what happened after the story

[real ingot]

Spider tracked the barons down

Also they weren’t strong compared to the usual threat

[rich veldt]

spider had a strong network and would have info on the next wbeb we returned to him

[real ingot]

Just big Eliksni

[pine lion]

Chunky health tho.

[real ingot]

God no it wasn’t

[pine lion]

Felt like the black market mafia godfather kinda fella.

[rich veldt]

barons were a pushover

[real ingot]

Compared to many threats we’ve faced before and after the barons were nothing

[pine lion]

Fuckin hated the trickster

[rich veldt]

thats because basically is

[real ingot]

Fikrul was the only one that posed a threat

[pine lion]

Dawg put needles in his servitors to mark em as his

[real ingot]

Think of it as a strike

Fikrul is the boss

The barons were yellow bars on the way to him

[pine lion]

I absolutely loved the prison of elders strike. (Rip cayde.)

[rich veldt]

i mean fikrul was a strike boss

tbh strike boss fikrul strongest fikrul

[real ingot]

Gm Fikrul no joke

Back to the point

[rich veldt]

rip mba my beloved

[real ingot]

Encompassing all of Forsaken

[outer dragon]

He did thay by winning a fight

[real ingot]

The story was like 4 and a half weeks

Week and a half was the campaign till we slew Riven

Then the cycle began

After 3 weeks we killed Dul Incaru

[rich veldt]

as in meatball riven or riven riven?

[outer dragon]

"Killed"

[pine lion]

6 figure herealway piece fallen salary

Bro could buy the brachus title ong

Bracus

[real ingot]

Riven Riven

[rich veldt]

we still killed her even if she keeps coming back

[trim grotto]

She doesn't.

[real ingot]

She died but in vain of necromancy

They don’t stay dead

[trim grotto]

Riven was a 1 time event

[outer dragon]

That isn't how the Cabal operate

[trim grotto]

Dul Incaru returns though yes

[rich veldt]

no marl dul not riven

[pine lion]

Last wish riven?

[outer dragon]

Yee

[pine lion]

Ik, i mean..wealth did correlate to power in the roman empire/republic.

[outer dragon]

They aren't a 1 to 1 clone

[real ingot]

Roman Empire does not equal Cabal Empire

They share unit names

That’s it

[pine lion]

Similar rank names lolzers

[outer dragon]

And some iconography/themes

[pine lion]

Wait wait wait

Whats a Val then

[real ingot]

In fairness many empire share Roman Empire themes

[pine lion]

We got Emperor, Empress, Dominus, and now we got..Vals?

[real ingot]

Val’s are just commanders

Above Bracus I believe but below Valus

[pine lion]

Is a val a valus or two different names

[trim grotto]

Dominus is Emperor but "different"

[real ingot]

Different things

[rich veldt]

vals are vals and a valus is a valus

[real ingot]

Valus Ta’aurc
Val Ca’our

[pine lion]

Ca’our was the successor to ghaul?

[real ingot]

Successor is a bit much

[pine lion]

The one we kill in spire of stars

[trim grotto]

He was just a guy trying to fill a power vacuum.

[real ingot]

He kinda just took control of part of the legion and led an assault against the Leviathan

In a really boring raid

[trim grotto]

Like a Sergeant trying to replace a General

He had rank but not that much rank

[rich veldt]

its like the new bracus zahn, just tryna fill that gap

[pine lion]

Whos that new Val Calus put in charge that we kill in the lightfall mission…”On the Verge”? I think

The mission where Rohan becomes bomb

[real ingot]

I think that was just a random general

[pine lion]

I wonder if there are any straggling Loyalists on the levi. but if they were loyalists, they would be loyal and follow their emeperor that their loyal to into the shadow realm

[real ingot]

All loyalists became Shadow Legion from what we know of

[fresh zephyr]

Byf needs to do another video like the Dead Messenger one

[ruby pivot]

lore wise

do we develop nukes in the last city?

[real ingot]

no

[rich veldt]

yes, its called training locks how to nova bomb

[wheat latch]

Why is darkness brown or dark orangish?

[ember storm]

why is light pale or light bluish

[wheat latch]

What is the meaning of life

I was just curious if it's just a design choice or if it has some meaning

[tulip knoll]

Generally “good” and “evil” are characterized and associated with light and dark colours, usually red and blue, but in the case of destiny, dark orange and light blue or white. Or even yellow can be associated with evil as well. Honestly I think it’s more a dark goldish yellow if I’m being honest instead of orange

[wheat latch]

Yeah, it's a hard color to describe lol

Solar and arc make sense but why is void purple

[worldly river]

Because I dare you to think up a more fitting color for gravity/dark matter/whatever that isn't boring drab grey

[wheat latch]

Black

proudly smirks

[worldly river]

That's worse than grey because of the Darkness lmao

[wheat latch]

Haha, very true

[worldly river]

For Solar and Arc and Stasis it makes sense but when you get into the weeds with stuff like Void and Strand you really just kinda gotta do whatever lol

[wheat latch]

Yeah, void in all games is pretty much all purple

Or not games specifically but just representations of void

And strand well, idk, green cuz it's not orange, blue, purple, or aqua

[little gorge]

warframe

actually now that i think of it warframe's void is closer to destiny's strand

but with bonus timey wimey powers and eternalism

[worldly river]

Warframe is the only other game I can think of where Void is a THING in the sense of being energy or a power

[little gorge]

true

[ember storm]

hollow knight

[green cobalt]

except warframe's void isn't all-encompassing ☝️ 🤓

[shadow warren]

Was briar both a cloudstrider and an acolyte of nezerac?

[little gorge]

it's kind of the opposite

not really anywhere

[fresh zephyr]

Question what happened to the pyramid ships on the planets?

Did they go with the witness or did they go down

[rich veldt]

were the ships not involved in actually moving the planets and moons?

[fresh zephyr]

Idk

I’m confused

If they went with the witness or not

Because we don’t see one on titan

[smoky rose]

We do see the one on Mars

Not really clear tbh

[fresh zephyr]

Strange

Maybe the titan one sunk in the ocean

During the exotic mission

[smoky rose]

It's definitely possible

I'd argue probable ngl

Which is sad because that was definitely a huge skybox opportunity to have that while you are in the deep dive air bubbles

[rich veldt]

maybe the titan one went doing other pyramid things

[fresh zephyr]

Because it was active while titan poofed away for some time

Each pyramid ship is interesting to see

[safe galleon]

it's weird to know that all those ships were originally meant to be the mode of transportation for an entire society. i wonder if they all still have their original control systems intact (since i imagine anyway that a vessel of that size is meant to be piloted by multiple people, and probably has some kind of control center) and the witness just controls them autonomously somehow, or if they're just dead ships that are being completely puppeteered by the witness

[slim elk]

They been altered into paracausal entities into themselves

Ghost confirmed that at first mission in Arrivals

Darkness has been integrated into technology much more then the Light has

[safe galleon]

so they're like

alive? or just fueled by darkness?

[slim elk]

It's ironic because the Light is supposed to be the "psychical" element

Alive:
Direct comparison to traveler

Potentially has the Veil Statue as the "helm"

Every one we been in had those things at the "center"

(Far as can tell)

[shadow warren]

Is each ship piloted by an individual disciple?

[tawdry mauve]

no

most likely not

[wheat flower]

strand being green is quite literally just because bungie thought they were high iq by making all the darkness subclasses inverses of the light

[tawdry mauve]

ok?

[wheat flower]

ook

nevrmind

[tawdry mauve]

is this supposed to be somehow a gotcha at bungie or something lol

[wheat flower]

no i was just reading the lore discussion up to as to why starnd is green makes no sense

[tawdry mauve]

your making a smart creative decision sound like something bad

strand can be whatever bungie decides

for all we care strand could have been red

or something

[wheat flower]

strand being green makes sense though cause of symbolism

ever been in a jungle or forest type biome

everything is connected by trees

or vines

and starnd somewhat symbolises a collective

like this forest or jungle

[tawdry mauve]

i think the actual symbolism comes from it being the opposite of void