📚lore-discussion

[sick yew]

For future reference if you have questions like this always feel free to open a ticket in #💌contact-us

[fiery copper]

Oh wait I haven't gotten a strike, I got a warning and a mute, neither message had the word "strike' in it

[sick yew]

If you were muted that means youve been striked

warns never carry a mute

[fiery copper]

Oof

[sick yew]

One moment

[fiery copper]

Oh nice it expires on August 6

Thats the day after my birthday

That means you have to give me paragon if I apply

[torpid flint]

Not legally

[fiery copper]

Yes legally

It's in the law

[exotic gate]

Between hunters titans and warlocks which is the strongest class in lore

[chrome fog]

None

It’s subjective

[trim grotto]

All and none. Doesn't work like that.

[chrome fog]

It’s like saying which martial arts is the strongest when they all specialize in different ways

[exotic gate]

But if bonds are used to limit a warlocks power wouldn’t they be the strongest per say

[chrome fog]

Where did you even get that

[outer dragon]

Ikora is a hacker and power scaling is hard

[trim grotto]

A Warlock's Bond is both a symbol and a focus of power.
Bonds aren't limits
And also still no
Also *per se

[blazing wasp]

Why would they be this
Where did you get this information

[wheat latch]

Can someone give me or refer me a summary of story events from lightfall to the present, been a lil too distant from destiny lately

[blazing wasp]

Including lf

Or after

[wheat latch]

Including

[blazing wasp]

Witness attacks traveler
Traveler fires beam
Fails
Witness traps it in baby jail
We hitch a ride to Neptune via calus' ships
Meet the neomuna quasi xenophobic people
We try to fight off calus and save the veil (we don't know wtf the veil is)
Funky strand which is horseshoed and isn't really relevant
We eventually kill calus
Witness takes control of ghost and makes that portal thing using the veil

Then season of the deep

Apparently traveler is gardener and veil is winnower, the link made some portal fuckery the witness can use to create basically anything iirc?
The traveler blessed the witness' civ first who tried to make the portal but traveler went no fuck off and fucked off

The people combined using veil and/or darkness and badaboom witness

That's about it ig

The traveler portal is the portal to the metaverse

[wheat latch]

Could you explain this bit about "the traveller blessed..." some more if that's okay?

[blazing wasp]

Like blessed us

Gifts n shit
Golden age

[wheat latch]

Ah

[blazing wasp]

Like with the eliksni

Left because they tried to make portal

Traveler thinks cringe

[wheat latch]

Fr

Lol, thank you

[blazing wasp]

The witness wants the metaverse and kills anything the traveler blesses because it wants to stop traveler to make metaverse

Because the world is cringe ig

[wheat latch]

The witness seems salty

Is their title a self given one or did people just start calling them "the witness"

[blazing wasp]

Probably self given

[wheat latch]

Is it like they "witnessed" the destruction the traveler causes or sumthin?

[slim perch]

portal?

[chrome fog]

Witness super pessimist/nihilist and going down the racist route, except if it wins then all reality gets fucked

[chrome fog]

Tried to do the thing they did at the end of Lightfall

[wheat latch]

Ah gotcha

Do we know where that leads yet?

[chrome fog]

Hints as to how the other side works but nothing concrete; I suggest reading the lore tab on the ship the Sonar Station gives - Akashic Revelation - and then searching up Akashic Records

I typed up a big theory on how it might possibly work but I’m too lazy to scroll up

[wheat latch]

Lol

[outer dragon]

"Quasi"?
Extremely, at least Jisu Calarondo and people who listen to him are

[chrome fog]

Considering it had been less than a week when he interviews Osiris and all past experience with Lightbearers had been the Warlords, it’s somewhat understandable they have some apprehensions towards Guardian forces entering their city

There’s more nuance to the scenario, not to apologize for any xenophobic sentiment, but it’s not cut and dry why and how they have their beliefs

[smoky rose]

Veil is not Winnower, at the minimum it isn’t confirmed

It’s very much worth noting that Unveiling is from the Witness and conforms to the Witness’ vocabulary but the Witness’ people do not call the Veil the Winnower

They desired one but the Veil was not it

[blazing wasp]

oh, i see

also is the unveiling being from the witness part confirmed? I've seen it floating around but havent seen anything concrete

[empty fern]

You think vex created their own version of the veil? (Black heart)

[blazing wasp]

that feels pretty likely considering post campaign LF

[empty fern]

Maybe we will get a vex season next season

[smoky rose]

Well it’s written in the Witness’ vocabulary bar the use of I rather than we, and it conforms 1:1 with the Witness’ actions
Then there’s the side part where it’s from a relic given to us by the Witness which leads us to the Witness in the black garden, who tried to convince us to join it, then we get unveiling from the same artifact which then tries to convert us to its side again

[blazing wasp]

well, although the witness personality and manner of speaking could've changed, the entire way unveiling "speaks" so to speak feels completely different from the witness

[smoky rose]

Not created, read the Brass Gardeners entry from Inspiral

[empty fern]

Where in spiral

What book

Aspects?

[smoky rose]

Inspiral

It’s a book

[blazing wasp]

for a lack of better word, unveiling feels like it was written with unbiased bias

[smoky rose]

Root of nightmares book

[empty fern]

Ohhhh

Found it

Oh it’s completed nice

[blazing wasp]

where everything non-objective displayed as fact is also very easily presented as subjective

[empty fern]

Hell yea vex lore

[blazing wasp]

so, biased, but in a way that is technically unbiased

it feels dramatically different from "nihilistic pissbaby" witness we've seen so far

thats an exaggeration of his character but

granted unveiling was written a while ago, both by the irl writers and by the witness if it wrote it

[smoky rose]

Worth noting that at the end it basically plugs itself as the winning team

[blazing wasp]

to be fair if i had repeatedly won an ungodly amount of times earlier i'd be this cocky too

[empty fern]

Why does brass gardeners read like how you’d think coding sounds

[smoky rose]

Because it’s from the pov of the vex

[empty fern]

Ohhh

That makes sense

Also what does radiolaria smell like? Do the dawning cookies tell?

[chrome fog]

Shoving the “Winnower is what the Witness wanted the Gardener and the Veil to be” theory here again

[crude dagger]

that was a pretty crazy scene

[empty fern]

Let’s watch it again

https://youtu.be/G5gIqK94E9g

[open saffron]

Apologies, I’ve been out of the loop, are there any new lore entries that expand on what was in the cutscene, or anything somewhat new story-wise?

[empty fern]

Nope

Newest thing is that cutscene

[slim elk]

Yeah
Even the weekly lore book entry was just zavala-ikora reacting to the news

[regal lichen]

Man I love calus

[chrome fog]

Wonderful

Share some lore entries on him

[empty fern]

Too bad cause he’s DEAD

[regal lichen]

:(

[chrome fog]

My favorite bit of Calus lore is him putting a dangerous relic of suggestive thought on a newly cloned Cabal expecting it to allow him to control Hive

[empty fern]

The mindbender mk2?

[ember storm]

I mean it was decent logic

“this crown will let me control hive but it’ll definitely turn me into a mindless slave”

“I’ll just use a clone that’s already my mindless slave instead”

[pliant pumice]

Are we still the same Guardian from Destiny 1?

Cuz I’m starting to not believe that

[ember storm]

you definitively are

Osiris literally calls you young wolf multiple times

[pliant pumice]

How is it that Ghost doesn’t know what the taken are then? That’s so weird..

Like we literally killed Oryx and partook in The Taken War across the solar system

[ember storm]

that’s you not having the same character or account from D1

Bungie specifically made a system where the game recognizes if you have a veteran account

[pliant pumice]

But I do

[ember storm]

you are canonically the same guardian

[ember storm]

the character you heard that dialogue on didn’t beat taken king, then

[pliant pumice]

He sure did

All of D1s expansions

[ember storm]

that dialogue from an Io red war mission only plays if the character doesn’t have veteran status

also there was a cutoff

[pliant pumice]

Huh

[ember storm]

it won’t count anything that you do after 2017, when D2 released

to be a real “veteran” your character had to do that stuff in D1 before 2017

[pliant pumice]

So my account qualified

[ember storm]

there’s a difference between your account and your characters specifically

if you delete one of the characters that was brought over from D1, the new character is considered a new light

[pliant pumice]

I’m confused, but, I guess that’s an interesting answer to my question

[ember storm]

they’d have no veteran qualities

[pliant pumice]

Thanks

Ah that must be it

[ember storm]

the short answer is, bungie just accounted for new players with a veteran dialogue system

[pliant pumice]

That’s cool

[ember storm]

if your character qualified, you’d hear the veteran dialogue

[pliant pumice]

Are there other lines like that?

[ember storm]

otherwise it’s generic stuff to explain to newbies

[ember storm]

all over

every major dlc has had them

also the fish tank in the helm has a bunch of stuff relating to old seasons

[pliant pumice]

Really? That’s cool, is there a list?

[ember storm]

if you beat them there’s an object relating to each one

[ember storm]

you can find compilations on YouTube

[pliant pumice]

Oh nice, I’ll have to look that up

Thanks

[waxen plover]

Are there any legendary/exotic ships that are canonically a cargo ship in their description?

[elder lotus]

question regarding thorn and dredgen Yor, so I’m just now watching the lore between him and the last word owner, but I’m a bit confused on the witch that temps Dredgen to follow her inside the hive temple on the moon, Xyor. Do we ever learn what happens to her and how was she able to create thorn? (I haven’t finish the lore so correct me if I’m wrong)

[devout nimbus]

The channel 'destiny lore vault' ought to have stuff like that

[waxen plover]

Ah noice, very funky

[tawdry mauve]

she didnt create thorn

"At some point he traveled to the Moon, chasing rumors of nightmares, and encountered the Hive. Leaving his Ghost at the door, he began fighting his way through the Hive tunnels and eventually killed a Knight who was Xyor’s betrothed. When he returned to the surface, he brought trophies with him and affixed them to his hand cannon, Rose."

he basically got corrupted by the hive artifacts he kept

specifically the one he attached to rose

[devout nimbus]

Then boom, thorn

Then it was purified to become lumina iirc

[tawdry mauve]

yep

[elder lotus]

Ahh that makes sense, thank u for clarifying

[frail sparrow]

This the story of the guy who gouged his eyes out and destroyed his ghost

[tawdry mauve]

no?

what

no

dredgen yors ghost is still alive and well

and so is jarens

ironically shin's is the only one thats dead

[frail sparrow]

Oh sorry I thought you weee talking about the guardian who got infected by the hive and took his eyes out and destroyed his ghost after it revived him

[tawdry mauve]

first time i hear of this

can you link it?

[frail sparrow]

I forgot where I really got it.really only came to me when you said that

[tawdry mauve]

uhuh

[elder lotus]

another question, so Shin says jaren ghost rarely ever talked (as he only overheard it talk to Jaren) after he passed away and he becomes a Lightbearer does the ghost ever speak to him or did it always stay quiet after that?

[chrome fog]

Might be thinking of the guardian that Nezarec tormented

[tawdry mauve]

im thinking either that or eris

but ive never heard of what they are describing in the literal sense

[tawdry mauve]

shin didnt "become" a lightbearer after jaren died

he always was one

shin was revived as a child

and his ghost was destroyed

[elder lotus]

Ohhh that explains a lot

[chrome fog]

Eris had her eyes taken by an Ahamkara wish when she wished upon an ahamakara bone/shard and it took her eyes for the way out of the Hellmouth. She replaced them with an Acolyte’s eyes, taking out some of her frontal lobe for the third one

[tawdry mauve]

a ghost and a guardians relationship is a one time deal

[tawdry mauve]

i know

eris's lore

im just saying they might have confused it for something

[chrome fog]

Fair

[tawdry mauve]

considering they mention eyes being taken out

and the hiven

but tbh i think they must made it up

[devout nimbus]

Do all ahamkara wishes come with a price?

[tawdry mauve]

yes

its a monkeys paw

in the most literal sense

[devout nimbus]

What was the price for creating the dreaming city

[tawdry mauve]

wait

was the city created by an ahamkara wish?

i just know they brought riven there

[devout nimbus]

Wasn't it

Hmm

[tawdry mauve]

riven helped build it

but it didnt build it alone

so it most likely wasnt a "wish"

just riven choosing to help

on their own volition

[devout nimbus]

Oh so the price thing is just the ahamkara choosing to

[chrome fog]

Mara made the wish wall for that very reason

[trim grotto]

It was. Mara utilised Riven often. But with utmost care and precision, total self-assurance, without leeway for a twisting of a wish.

[devout nimbus]

Ah it was

Nice

[tawdry mauve]

ah makes sense

[trim grotto]

It was why only Mara could Wish to Riven in such a way
Uldren wasn't even allowed near her

[tawdry mauve]

i guess its hard to monkey paw someone when they are super precise

[torpid flint]

Eventually however, it fails, but that’s mostly Oryx’s doing

[tawdry mauve]

yeah the scorn kinda proved why he shouldnt have been near her

ever

dude fucked up hard with that one lol

[chrome fog]

That was corruption due to exploring the Black Garden and also getting caught in the dreadnaught blast

[tawdry mauve]

still

i doubt he itentionally wanted for them become the scorn

[torpid flint]

Riven being Taken was a big part of the catalyst for the curse

[tawdry mauve]

he was just saving fikruls life

and he really didnt think the wish all the way through

[chrome fog]

He wasn’t in his right state of mind

[devout nimbus]

Wdym

[trim grotto]

Scorn weren't even an effect of the Wish

[tawdry mauve]

yeah the dark ether was?

[devout nimbus]

To make sure that there was no price?

[torpid flint]

Well, he lost his people, his friends, his sister, and was corrupted by the garden

[chrome fog]

Not to mention the trauma from Mara not telling him all her plans; bro was messed in the head bad

[tawdry mauve]

im not saying the scorn just poofed into existance when he wished for fikruls life to be saved

but its an indirect cause

[trim grotto]

The Wish only made Fikrul
Without Variks's experiments on Fikrul, we might have never seen the Scorn

[chrome fog]

The wish wall helped specify her wishes

Idk how it just did

[devout nimbus]

We have variks to blame for that?

Damn

[devout nimbus]

Ah I see

[torpid flint]

Technically, for the entirety of Forsaken

[trim grotto]

In a way
He wasn't trying to make Scorn
Just experimenting with Ether, Fikrul, and corpses

Didn't end well, of course

[devout nimbus]

Yah

[torpid flint]

We can also partly blame him for BL

[tawdry mauve]

not really

[devout nimbus]

Silly goose variks

Messing things up

[tawdry mauve]

variks did the right thing in bl

by stealing the splinter

without variks eramis would have still done her stuff

[frail sparrow]

Come again what is the splinter exactly

[tawdry mauve]

variks helped us massively if anything

[devout nimbus]

Darkness thingy

[trim grotto]

Little Pyramid Shard that gave us Stasis

[tawdry mauve]

his main fuck up is still forsaken and the whole prison fiasco

[trim grotto]

Until we learned to wield it independently

[devout nimbus]

The crux looking thing

[frail sparrow]

One of the reasons I still hate him

[tawdry mauve]

so did eramis end up learning the same later?

or is she still reliant on it

[trim grotto]

I think she just got a new Splinter Gauntlet

I'll have to check her recent models

[tawdry mauve]

i feel like at a point the witness would just have her learn it

or you know

[frail sparrow]

You don’t know but I thought she still had it

[tawdry mauve]

else

[frail sparrow]

I could have phrased that better

[ember storm]

yeah, eramis never properly learned stasis

none of salvation did

it's how the witness is able to keep her under wraps

[quasi sleet]

how tall is the witness

[sick yew]

Very tall

[trim grotto]

Calus and the Witness

[sick yew]

Concept art

Smh

Very cool one tho

[trim grotto]

Grimoire art. Subject to change, but not non canon.

[sick yew]

Basically the same thing

[trim grotto]

you're basically the same thing

[sick yew]

Wrong

I am canon

[real ingot]

wrong

[sick yew]

Go look up the Salvagers Salvo loretab

Investigator Maier of the future war cult

I am canon and there aint a single thing you can do about it

[trim grotto]

aw shit

[sick yew]

[ebon wharf]

Did shaxx and felwinter beef over personal reasons or was he just a bad guy lol

[trim grotto]

Neither on either front

[dim minnow]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's height can vary, since in the anthology, it towered over Calus while ingame we have seen it around the same height as him

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/remembrance
It's a bit complex to explain in its entirety but I recommend reading the entry

[dim minnow]

Shaxx was a Warlord and did not align with the Iron Lords

[trim grotto]

Great read

[dim minnow]

the Iron Lords wanted to try and bring him to their side or to get him out of the way due to other Warlord disputes in the region

I think

been a while since I read it

yeah, seems like they wanted to stop a lot of Warlords fighting in the area

[trim grotto]

Warlords who were also willing to attack Shaxx and his people

It was a bit of a three way conflict

[dim minnow]

yeah

still funny how Citan got wrecked by Felwinter, then Felwinter gets instantly defeated by Shaxx

Citan does have good lore meme potential

like just say that he can solo the Witness or Goku ironically

[ebon wharf]

You think there's any chance that a guardian could beat Goku?

[sick yew]

[trim grotto]

i don't know anything about goku other than he wears orange and likes dying his hair yellow
so
probably i dunno

[ebon wharf]

Lmfao

[dim minnow]

not sure about one

but six certainly can

[sick yew]

If the plot so demands us a gun will take care of Goku

[dim minnow]

pretty sure the plot is a canonical power given to us by Paracausality

[sick yew]

Truly

[dim minnow]

would explain how the Aegis is able to counter the Vex having control over reality

you know, that is probably how we will beat the Witness

it tries to pull out its newfound power over reality, then we pull out the Aegis and say "it's time to make our own Destiny" as we one-phase its ass

[sick yew]

We will beat the Witness the same way we beat literally any other major threat in the entirity of Destiny
Guns and bullets

Shoot it till dat healthbar drops to 0

[fresh zephyr]

True

[peak coral]

but bungolini said glaives came from ancient artifact on mars

[sick yew]

That specific type of glaive we craft yes

Obviously the type of weapon has existed before just like in real life

[peak coral]

true!

[safe galleon]

i'm gonna love it when we fight the witness with all our allies and zavala, holding the aegis, says, "it's time to make our own Destiny 2: Saga of Light and Dark" and zavalas all over the witness

[safe galleon]

actually, glaives came from the 13th century. or maybe it was the 15th century. i forget

[ruby pivot]

just a question

is there a lore about guardians using all armors being exotics?

if there is, is it taxing or we only got restrictions because of gameplay purposes?

[jolly vector]

too much light you pop like a baloon

I dont remember much lore about it but I guess that's would be what it is if bungie do go in deep

like a lot of exotics have alot of powers in them so

like wardcliff somewhere said if modified wrong it can destroy a whole planet

but you know how it is in game

[ruby pivot]

it just got me thinking, since from what i know all guardians can use all subclasses but they choose or use the "game" supers because its what they are used to or have disciplined the most

[jolly vector]

if not light most exotics would be filled with darkness too

like ahamkara spine and the nez helm

[ruby pivot]

imbalance?

mixed element might disrupt more than benefit the user?

[jolly vector]

corruptions and shit the typical stuff

[sick yew]

Pretty sure lore speaking exotic armor doesnt even do much in most cases

[jolly vector]

but now I guess it isnt a strong point when we ourself can use darkness power

[sick yew]

there are a few exceptions but most of the time exotic armor is a gameplay thing rather than a lore thing

[ruby pivot]

but how about a guardian having all exotic as armor?

[sick yew]

Just because we use a helmet that looks like Saint-14's doesnt mean in lore the guardians bubble gets cooler

Makes no sense

[ruby pivot]

all i know is that guardians can use every subclasses, but not sure if they can use all exotic in their armor slots

[sick yew]

Again most armor we know as exotic is just that
Armor

[ruby pivot]

aahh

well make sense

gameplay purposes then

[sick yew]

An exception I can think of would be like Stomps
Since in the loretab Markus actually builds them and modifies it so it gives you enhanced jump

But exotic is simply a type of rarity in universe

[ruby pivot]

i just read this in a youtube comment before, i think there is a titan who uses golden gun i remember he was a dredgen

not sure how valid was that comment

[sick yew]

Theres nothing stopping any Guardian from using any super provided they trained with them

You can be a titan and throw a nova bomb if you know how

[devout nimbus]

Sense in funny space shooting game

[sick yew]

[ruby pivot]

i see, its just their discipline or how used are they to that said power

[jolly vector]

its literally is just the same as studying a martial art

[sick yew]

Correct

[jolly vector]

the golden gun one is pretty cool since you arent even lock to a handcannon

[ruby pivot]

shit, that would be a disaster, imagine a nova bombing titan then immediately goes into thundercrash

[jolly vector]

they normally just buff any guns the guardian is using

like even a rocket

[sick yew]

Guardians may also use the light in ways we cant ingame
You can make a golden gun rocket launcher that shoots nova bombs if youre skilled enough

[sick yew]

[jolly vector]

we just dont know how taxing it is on a guardian strength if they try to do some dumbshit like that tho

[sick yew]

Shadowshot that shoots out solar hammers

[ruby pivot]

shaw han lore right? where he buffed the guns and it turned into a golden gun buffed rifles?

[jolly vector]

most of the lore we have are about pretty famous and strong guardians

the youngwolf themself should be the strongest being in the game right now tbh

[sick yew]

Eh not sure

[ruby pivot]

calus fanfic into reality?

[sick yew]

Trying to scale the protagonist against other guardians is always hard

Saint, Saladin, Ikora etc are definitely up there but its hard to say if they could win against us
Depends on the context and who the writer would want to win

[jolly vector]

easy to tell when every time a tough thing came up they called for us

I doubt most other guardians even do much beside patrols

[sick yew]

Again thats because we're the player
We are supposed to win everything as long as the plot demands it

[ruby pivot]

stasis base with void blades(scythe)

[sick yew]

Many exotic armor loretabs tell of guardians actively engaging in battle

So no I dont think we're the only one doing work in universe

[jolly vector]

well yeah I didnt say all of them have to be boring like that

[ruby pivot]

tho it would be awesome to read if there are guardians mixing their supers

[sick yew]

the fact that this is still a game just means for the really important stuff it always has to be us doing the hard work

Because imagine reading on cool raid boss lore that just some rando guardian fireteam do instead of us

Would take away from feeling like the protagonist

[ruby pivot]

like a stasis/solar hammer

[sick yew]

Closest thing I can give you are Osiris in his final moments of being a lightbearer

[ruby pivot]

the crystals appear and it will implode with solar...i guess

[jolly vector]

now that I think about it isnt burning maul is literally golden gun but on a giant ass hammer a titan bring with them

[sick yew]

Bro unleashes hell on a lot of hive using every element at the max

[ruby pivot]

golden gun but only the bottom of the gun

[sick yew]

underbarrel goldie

[ruby pivot]

is it when he lost sagira(anger) or he needs to save sagira? (desperation)

[sick yew]

Its in the final moments before he loses Sagira

I think

been a hot minute since ive read that part

[ruby pivot]

oof he is in that state of desperation huh, poor old man

sagira didnt deserve that end

and the off screen death

hang on a sec imagine a titan using glacial strike+blade fury

wolverine styled claws, freezing+suspend

or tether riding the gathering storm

[barren kite]

Whats the lore of destiny Ik it might take long but is there a short answer?

[real ingot]

There is no short answer

except this photo I have

[barren kite]

Is there a goal?

[barren kite]

Ok well what started the lore

[real ingot]

that

[jolly vector]

isekai but we get a gun

[barren kite]

So the start of destiny is isekai

[real ingot]

For a better start

[jolly vector]

well no that's wrong but its kinda like that

easier if you just go watch byf videos tbh

[real ingot]

Winnower and Gardener play game in metaphorical abstract existence

[barren kite]

Was there not an alien invasion

[real ingot]

Winnower keeps winning

Gardener gets angry

adds new rule

fight ensues

Gardener is shanked

Universe is created

[barren kite]

Theres aliens in this game right

[real ingot]

yes

we get there when we get there

Universe creations cause Gardener, Winnower and Pattern to take physical forms

[barren kite]

So the aliens didn't already come yet?

[real ingot]

these forms are believe to be the Traveler, Veil and Vex

Vex are radiolaria that is sentient

[barren kite]

Who is the gardener and the winnower

[real ingot]

Metaphors

[barren kite]

Let me guess cosmic beings

[real ingot]

Light and Darkness

[barren kite]

Oh

So big bang?

[real ingot]

keep in mind this entire section is entirely only an idea

we have no idea if it's true

[barren kite]

Oh

[real ingot]

So yeah

The Gardener becomes a massive ball

this next bit we can tell is true

An alien species finds the Gardener

[ruby pivot]

this is making me feel "dont make me turn the car around" vibe

[real ingot]

And it enlightens them

[barren kite]

So is cayde a robot iv seen pictures and memes of him

[real ingot]

They have a Golden Age

[real ingot]

We get there when we get there

The First Species however decides they need more

a purpose

and as such they learn of the Veil and search for it

Through it they learn of the darkness

wait a minute there's a cutscene for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0CKckjryVI&t=147s

@barren kite

[barren kite]

Thanks

[real ingot]

And now I sleep

[barren kite]

So the witness is an entire race combined into one being?

[jolly vector]

yes as you can see

a very pissed off race

[safe galleon]

i mean, hive lightbearer knights can use citan's rampart barricades and theyre definitely not wearing citans 😭

granted, thats also just a gameplay thing, but even still i don't assume a piece of armor could like, modify light

[barren kite]

And the witness is after the gardener

And the veil

[jolly vector]

well they had it before just as said in the vid

they studied it then leave to try and do something about the giant ball

[barren kite]

But then they discovered the light

[jolly vector]

well they always exist, they even uses it to prosper just like in the vid

they just think the giant ball is trying some shit

and after studying the veil they see how the thing can be harmful

what's funny is now we know fully about the witness

but still near nothing about the ball lul

maybe next expansion will explain but Im not holding my breath

[real ingot]

Well we can effectively say the Traveller and Gardener are one in the same

Dreams of Alpha Luphi and other stuff pretty much confirm they are

Which explains the Traveller pretty well

[barren kite]

So they use the veil as a weapon

[real ingot]

Well

Not really a weapon

[barren kite]

Somewhat of a weapon

[real ingot]

The veil forged a link between them

[jolly vector]

well it must do something harmful to it

so it just leave

[real ingot]

Allowing the Witness to enter it

The Witness can now create what it believes to be the final shape

That’s what the cutscene implies at least

Shape reality to what it wants

[barren kite]

Alright so the light is that giant ball in the beginning correct

[real ingot]

Exactly what the Gardener was against

[real ingot]

The Traveller/Gardener

It represents the light

Gifts it

[barren kite]

Ok and that little black orb on top is the veil

[real ingot]

The light can only be gifted

[jolly vector]

its not really "the" light

[real ingot]

The big symbol

Thingy

[barren kite]

Yes

[real ingot]

That’s is indeed the veil

[jolly vector]

for the next stuff it mainly just goes around terraforming planets after the great escape

[barren kite]

So they studied the veil

[jolly vector]

and then it do the same when we found it

[real ingot]

Namely Lubrae and Riis

It left Lubrae and they fell into chaos

Eventually this chaos allowed Rhulk to go ham

Blah blah he shattered the sun

Now he’s the Witness’ right hand man

Or was

[jolly vector]

we didnt became the guardian quick btw it didnt even do anything yet

[real ingot]

He got demoted and then we killed him

[barren kite]

And they found out about the positive and negitive things the light could right?

[jolly vector]

it was only after the earth almost got wiped out is when the thing tried to help

[real ingot]

Possibly

We aren’t entirely sure what the Witness saw

[barren kite]

And the veil left right?

[real ingot]

No one can be

The traveller left

[barren kite]

From what we know

[real ingot]

The Witness kept the veil

[barren kite]

The light?

[real ingot]

Yes

For simplistic sake

[barren kite]

So now the witness is trying to find the light

[real ingot]

Traveller = light
Veil = dark

[real ingot]

Was

Uh

Lightfall happened

The link between the veil and traveller was forged

[barren kite]

What happened in lightfall

So the veil and the traveler fused?

[real ingot]

Summary or like everything

Because if we go into everything there’s a lot of backstory we gotta go into

[barren kite]

Summary

[real ingot]

Veil was hidden on Neptune after the Witness lost it and he sends his disciple Calus to retrieve and destroy it

The Witness makes the link and opens a portal to a place possibly inside the traveller

[barren kite]

And did calus succeed?

[real ingot]

Kinda

[barren kite]

Kinda what happened

[real ingot]

Calus was given a device known as the radial mast

It would forge the link and destroy the veil

We destroyed it

Calus then breaks into the veils containment

We kill Calus

[barren kite]

Wait so we destroyed the device or the veil

[real ingot]

The Witness takes control of our ghost and makes the link

[real ingot]

The device

The radial mast is an abundance of light energy

Made to forge the link with the veil and destroy it afterwards

[ember storm]

basically, what the witness needed was something related to light so it could use the veil to make the portal

we destroyed the radial mast

[barren kite]

What's a ghost is it a legitimate ghost or an Acronym

[ember storm]

so the witness tricked us and used our ghost

[ember storm]

not an acronym

ghosts are just what they're called

[barren kite]

But what is it exactly

[ember storm]

creations of the traveler

they exist to give people light so they become guardians

[real ingot]

Ghosts create guardians

Gifts

[barren kite]

And we are guardians?

[real ingot]

We were gifted the light

Yes

[barren kite]

So we are the witnesses pawns?

[real ingot]

No

[ember storm]

depends

[real ingot]

We are no pawns

[ember storm]

the witness has tricked us before

[real ingot]

Well the Witness attempted to recruit us

[ember storm]

we're very much trying to go against the witness but sometimes it has good chess plays

the ending of lightfall was literally the witness just tricking us

calus wouldn't have been able to do anything to the veil

he just tricked us into going there as fast as we could so ghost could be compromised

[real ingot]

Yeah Calus is another big story

Lightfall is just a bunch of converging story points

Soteria
Ishtar
Osiris
Calus
Nezarec and Savathun
The Witness

Whole bunch of shit

Ended up crowding together

But that’s not the topic

Together the Veil and Traveller allowed the Witness to create a portal

Where to

We have no idea

But if we take what Ahsa says literally then it can reshape reality

[barren kite]

So we gotta fight a reality warping guy with guns

From what i know about this game it has guns idk if theres powers or swords or stuff i should have watched some game play

[ruby pivot]

If we go back to throwing hands against a reality warping monster and won it, that would be crazy as hell

[barren kite]

Wait what

Theres you can throw hands in this game!

[ruby pivot]

titans

[barren kite]

Is that a class?

[ruby pivot]

but seriously tho, if we ended up throwing hands against the witness that would be crazy

ah yeah, titans are your usual warrior/tank type in rpg sense

[barren kite]

So DPS

[ruby pivot]

hunters are like rogues/assassin types

warlocks are mage/healer(?)

anyway it depends on you what class makes you comfortable

i use all 3 but i prefer to use hunter if i am doing solo, titan if pvp, warlocks if i am with some peps

[barren kite]

So titans can throw hands

So can every class use a Blaster or is it only for one class

[slim perch]

a blaster?

[sick yew]

They all use gun

[barren kite]

Gun

[slim perch]

wdym blaster

oh

yeah it’s all guns

with side magic

[sick yew]

Every class uses the same guns (small exception for 2 things)
And the abilities are what differentiates the classes

[barren kite]

For me its if it shoots bullets its a gun and if it shoots lasers i call it a blaster

[sick yew]

Well we got actual lasers too

[barren kite]

[sick yew]

Btw

;npg

[candid inlet]

Check out our own official New & Returning Player's Guide (updated for Season of the Risen)
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[sick yew]

Might be worth looking into

[barren kite]

Alright i will

Is there spears?

Or staffs

[sick yew]

uh kinda?

[ruby pivot]

spears? kinda its glaive ,you can shoot or you can melee with it

[barren kite]

Close enough I'll take it

[sick yew]

Arc hunter kinda uses it like a spear

Gathering Storm I mean

[ruby pivot]

super(or ultimate) wise yeah

[barren kite]

Is there weapons you can throw like a knife

Grenade

[sick yew]

Knife throwing is a thing

Grenades all classes have

Lots of different types

[ruby pivot]

hunters can throw knives, if you got precision kills with the throwing knife it replenish it

[barren kite]

Is it silent

[sick yew]

Depends on the knife youre using lol

[sick yew]

Can be
But you dont do stealth in destiny

[ruby pivot]

if u want to go stealth....there is no stealth in this game sadly

[sick yew]

Even with invisibility options youre always in the fight

[ruby pivot]

smoke bombs can break the aggro tho

just not infront of the enemy

[barren kite]

[ruby pivot]

or doing double jump(class based) since they can hear it

[barren kite]

Is there a sword

[ruby pivot]

yes

[sick yew]

A lot of swords

[ruby pivot]

plenty

[barren kite]

Can i deflect bullets with any of them

[sick yew]

No

[ruby pivot]

hunters only got a unique stance animation with goldtusk

[sick yew]

Theres chainsword tho

[barren kite]

You know what thats so cool that I'll completely ignore that i cant deflect any bullets

[ruby pivot]

sadly no, but if u want that feel of blocking or deflecting bullets play MGR or warframe

anyway

yeah the lament(the chainsword) is a cool sword

[barren kite]

Whats the worst weapon in the game

[ruby pivot]

damn

uhhh can anyone help me here?

there are niche weapons but they are surpassed by others

so they are mostly ignored

[sick yew]

lore wise?

[ruby pivot]

if we talk about exotics( rpg wise, named and orange tier gears)

[barren kite]

Gameplay and lore wise

[sick yew]

the white 120 handcannon is probably the worst talking gameplay

[ruby pivot]

legendary varies on user's preferences or what community agrees to be the best roll (purple tier weapons rpg wise)

[sick yew]

Lore wise there is no such thing as the weakest gun

[ember storm]

broken traveler's chosen probably

that thing was barely holding together

[sick yew]

Still found that more usable than the white 120 hc

[barren kite]

This thing?

[sick yew]

Thats the exotic version

[barren kite]

Loooks fine to me

[sick yew]

That one is actually pretty cool

[barren kite]

Oh

[sick yew]

This used to be the starting weapon

[barren kite]

Oh that looks horrible

I think i see a little bit of rust

[sick yew]

Probably

[torpid flint]

A little?

[barren kite]

Shi idk

It just looks dirty

[sick yew]

Anyway for more gameplay questions you should probably head to #❓destiny-questions or #✨destiny-discussion
Lore stuff you can just ask here

[barren kite]

Forgot i was in lore chat mb thanks

[sick yew]

[chrome fog]

No, Goku would have a better opponent with the Witness with how physics breaking his is

Give me a bit to catch up

[chrome fog]

We are baby guardian, only a decade old, these are the most basic supers but we have practiced them a lot and trying to think of anything else will take time
You can also interpret the subclass updates as us studying again to improve our Light handling capabilities

[fiery copper]

It's like a degree, sort of. You can get another degree in another subject, or you can go hard into one field and get a doctorate in Nova Bomb.

[ruby pivot]

yeah i would still like to see if we can combine 2(light/dark) supers or 1 light and 1 dark supers

[blazing wasp]

Just

[ruby pivot]

lore wise

[blazing wasp]

Activate a light and dark super at the same time

[ruby pivot]

dont think it will be possible in game and it would probably a nightmare to balance

[blazing wasp]

No of course not

In lore its likely possible

Probably done before

[fiery copper]

Stormcaller slide melee into a group of shadow Legion and blast them in the face with needlestorm

Biblically accurate needleskating

[blazing wasp]

Be afraid

[ruby pivot]

chaos reach...but a beam of pure light with the well

from up above instead

orbital laser i guess?

[blazing wasp]

You mean

Solar?

Well of radiance isn't pure light

It's solar

[ruby pivot]

yeah yeah, anyway imagine throwing the sword in the air and it goes with a solar beam lore wise it would

hmmm sounds lame if its only one

make that 3 swords

[fiery copper]

In my fanon, my d2 titan mixes elements on the fly. Suppressor nade, Arc Shoulder Charge, Lorelei Barricades, and Banner Shield. An element for every job.

[chrome fog]

It’s neat, but yeah there’s a limitation because even Guardians are not Gods

If you’d like to continue discussing fanon or near subclass combos, you can probably continue in #✨destiny-discussion

[ruby pivot]

aight

[fiery copper]

Nah I'm done

That lil tidbit was just related to the conversation at hand

[oblique verge]

Yoo

I cant belive that the nine is probobaly going to help us understand the vail

Because the nine knows that if we die they die lol

[ember storm]

what would they know about it

[oblique verge]

They have been here longer then most people

[ember storm]

the nine are unironically just a bunch of idiots

[oblique verge]

yes but

[ember storm]

this isn’t their area of expertise at all

[oblique verge]

The drifter has been with us for this season and he also does keep talking about the 9, pluss the nine will die if we die

[trim grotto]

The Nine were mentioned merely once this season.

Drifter's involvement doesn't mean the Nine will be involved, either. He's been around plenty of times without their interaction.

[oblique verge]

yes

[trim grotto]

But yes, the Nine are tied to the life and gravitational forces of Sol.

However, they're also searching for ways to become independant from those ties. Free. Some look to the paracausality they don't have.
If some of them look to the Witness...

Well. We can't say for sure they'll help us.

[oblique verge]

But we also cant sey they wont

[slim elk]

If anything, think they will help us until they can hijack the Witness plan

It's gonna try to reshape the entire universe
and can actually pull it off

[trim grotto]

Sure. There's a possibility for it.

[ember storm]

the baseline is your logic of “they don’t want to die” doesn’t really work

I mean, Eramis keeps claiming she only wants the best for the Eliksni

[chrome fog]

The Nine know even less than us about Paracausality

[ember storm]

when she’s working directly under the witness

[chrome fog]

Well actually no, they do know a bit

But also

[oblique verge]

But the nine know alot more then us though

[ember storm]

prophecy isn’t much knowledge on light or darkness

[chrome fog]

They themselves only have an extent to their knowledge

[oblique verge]

They are just stupid in some areas

[ember storm]

it was literally only their opinion on it

an opinion that’s not really much of a hot take

it’s also pretty inaccurate in most cases

[slim elk]

The real question here is Savathun
She knew of the Witness origins if her "two truths, two lies" games were any indication

[oblique verge]

Savethune might honestly come back

Also clovis is also alive

[ember storm]

debatably

the head can’t really do much

[oblique verge]

Yes and no

[ember storm]

there’s honestly not really anything we need him for currently

and nothing we’d like to cooperate with after everything that happened

[oblique verge]

Clovis can Eramis can worck together i belive

and

[ember storm]

I doubt Clovis would ever want to cooperate with Eramis

[slim elk]

Clovis will try and backstab us if anything

[ember storm]

he’s not a “forgive and forget” type

salvation is the main reason a big portion of his material legacy almost went up in a nuclear cataclysm

plus they’re just constantly trying to pillage his facilities

[outer dragon]

Clovis wanted to be God

He is an egomaniac on par with Calus

[ember storm]

honestly he might tolerate a partnership with Eramis, if he were fully convinced he’d be able to double cross her and get whatever he wanted from it

but I really don’t know what either would do for each other to warrant it in the first place

[slim elk]

If Clovis is making a comeback, I would suspect his sights would be on Neomuna and the Veil

Whole place has the whole virtual reality Cloudark. So even as a giant head Clovis could wreck havoc in there

Heck.. they may even be dumb enough to open the door for him as a "great survivor of the Golden Age!"

[oblique verge]

Mmmm

[ember storm]

can’t wait for neomuna civil news to proclaim him as the second coming

[slim elk]

Gotta remember Clovis sanitized his reputation in the Golden Age.

The general public had no idea how villainous he was

[oblique verge]

We are going to see Taniks in the final shape

[ember storm]

banshee going to neptune would really be something

[ember storm]

nah

Taniks is yesterday’s news

it’s all about Kelgorath now

[oblique verge]

Bungie would do that though

[oblique verge]

Ya reskin

[slim elk]

Taniks in a sitcom rivalry with Cayde

[ember storm]

Cayde would be very upset at Taniks coming back

again

[slim elk]

But yeah
More seriously, Neomuna's government conspiracy likely may see Clovis as an ally given their actions thus far.

[oblique verge]

Ye most likely

[slim elk]

And with the trick Clovis tried on us in Seraph...

[ember storm]

capybara hour does a crossover with the europa colony penguin

[empty fern]

Wait

Neomuna actually had city lore?

[oblique verge]

The exo stranger was on that though

[slim elk]

Bungie is doing everything they can to dance around the issue. But it looks like Neomuna has "Clovis 2.0" in its government

[empty fern]

Oh

[slim elk]

Redacted records, Maya going "fuck morality! It's MY turn"

And basic information lost even to its chief defenders

[empty fern]

We gonna watch another vex invasion like glassway

[oblique verge]

With the necromancer that almost revived oryx, why was that

Ghost of The Deep

[slim elk]

Give you an idea Nexus.. Nimbus had no idea the Veil was found on Neptune

[ember storm]

the hive have been trying to revive oryx for a while now

plus Savathun’s horde are a bunch of heretics who only have Immaru for leadership right now

any advantage they could get they want

which includes finding oryx’s corpse and hoping to resurrect him

[slim elk]

So.. yeah. Someone in Neomunas government wants people being utterly ignorant and complacent

[ember storm]

though they were mixing Xol’s brand of necromancy in

[oblique verge]

Where do u think they are going to move his bones too

[ember storm]

being different than being a Lightbearer, he’d still retain his memories

so

Oryx finding out an entire brood of heretics brought him back to life

he wouldn’t be very happy

[slim elk]

"Drifters freezer"

[ember storm]

either way it’s a good thing they never succeeded

[empty fern]

Gotta wonder what happened after ghost, did we retrieve the body? Is this a nokris situation where the boss keeps coming back? (Probably not since smashed ghost)

[ember storm]

Nokris only came back once

and that was during arrivals

because he never really died properly

[empty fern]

Ah

[oblique verge]

What if oryx got a ghost

They could do a savethune

[empty fern]

I’ve seen the fanart, it’s eh

[ember storm]

it’d be a vastly different situation

[empty fern]

Also

[ember storm]

and also a lame one

Oryx is dead

bringing him back undermines a whole bunch of stuff and there’s no real reason for it

[empty fern]

Lore wise, you think lightbearer savathun or oryx before we weakened him was more powerful?

[ember storm]

the entire reason Savathun became a Lightbearer is because she wanted to be one

[oblique verge]

Forcept the witness

[ember storm]

oryx by a long shot

[empty fern]

I see

[ember storm]

remember that oryx being as big as he is in the raid

[empty fern]

Nice

[ember storm]

is him while he’s crippled

[empty fern]

Also

[ember storm]

that giant monster is him when he’s severely weakened

[empty fern]

Was watching a byf video, what is the circuit and why did the Warpriest clear it a bunch of times

[ember storm]

I have no idea what that is

[empty fern]

F

[ember storm]

if I had to take a guess it’d be some hive sport or training thing

and the warpriest is the warpriest so he’d probably do it a bunch

[empty fern]

From what I heard in the video, it relates to the amount of planets oryx subjected

Gimme a sec to find it

Around the oryx section of this video https://youtu.be/JET7Zc9jReE

Yes that old video

10 minute mark (around that)

[ember storm]

why is insurrection prime even on there

it doesn’t have any lore

[empty fern]

Kek

[ember storm]

atheon doesn’t really have any either

[empty fern]

Every raid boss

[ember storm]

they were just built for one specific thing

and did that specific thing

you just can’t compare that to something like riven or Calus

[empty fern]

[little gorge]

oh boy

are we bringing back savvy?

[mystic prawn]

Seems so.

It was bound to happen one of these Seasons before Final Shape.

[little gorge]

so the question is

do you think she'll betray us again

[mystic prawn]

I'm... not sure tbh

[tawdry drift]

new mission is pog tbf

i've wanted a team up with a powerful hive tbh

as we have fallen and cabal with us

[little gorge]

honestly I'm dissapointed, not because it wasn't good enough, but because I've come to expect way more from xivu

[mystic prawn]

Considering she has her memories back... and we're all essentially aligned towards the same goal...

I don't think she'll betray us but-

[little gorge]

every time she's mentioned i just assume she's gonna pop out of some corner the moment we do anything big

[mystic prawn]

she's still the God of Trickery.

[tawdry drift]

true, xivu has been nothing but a voice in this season. why build all that up again for nothing

[little gorge]

also she almost killed zavala

[tawdry drift]

only almost... because they couldn't do that big blue

even though that could set up an incrdible season next season

[little gorge]

well

[tawdry drift]

take revenge against xivu and partner up with savathun

[little gorge]

they had to pick one

[tawdry drift]

that would be a season to be remembered

[little gorge]

I don't think they can really have both a "zavala just died" and a "we're bringing back savathun" season at the same time

it's almost too much for a seasonal story

although the witness was revealed this season

[mystic prawn]

Plus, he's not exactly Lightless

He's still a Lightbearer

so

[little gorge]

and the traveller left earth in seraph

[mystic prawn]

death doesn't mean much unless she goes after the Ghost

[tawdry drift]

considering we got more out of a Deep cutscene last week, that's already more important than entirety of LF

[little gorge]

it's xivu

she would definitely do that

[mystic prawn]

Ghosts don't exactly have to come out when we die too iirc.

Zavala's Ghost could just... like... wait.

[little gorge]

what I don't get is

why does she scream in pain and then laugh

[tawdry mauve]

im like 99% sure once you die your ghost does have to come out

[little gorge]

when we back the orb things

is she just a massochist 💀

[worldly river]

Ah yes, my favorite gun in Destiny: Chekov's Gun

[little gorge]

ok I'm listening to the transmission

no way he mentioned safiyah

and then went on to talk about the noodle shop immediately after

[worldly river]

Well based on how it worked with Kelgorath there seems to be a sort of psychic link when you Take someone, and I've guessing the orbs were causing some sort of painful psychic feedback to disrupt the process or something

[little gorge]

why laugh tho

anyways veil containment time

[tawdry drift]

my game crashed halfway through listening to it, anything interesting mentioned?

[little gorge]

not really

but there was definitely interesting stuff in the veil log

"a symphony of minds"?

i think maya was trying to do something like the witness

[thorny sequoia]

Ok. This may have something to do with lore. But I gave a fish after listening to everything and after doing the mission...and it gave me some kind of broken blade?

[little gorge]

that's for the new exotic quest

not really lore

[worldly river]

Yeah each week starting with last a new Exotic fish became available, starting with the Throne World, this week Nessus, you catch it, bank it, it gives you an item to deposit at the Thrall statues in Deep Dive, almost certainly once we have all 3 next week it'll unlock the new Exotic quest

[proper leaf]

I called it

she's coming back

[worldly river]

I mean yeah that was the most obvious Chekov's Gun in existence

There was absolutely no question that she'd be back eventually

[thorny sequoia]

ahhhh ok got it

[little gorge]

not even fair to call it a chekov's gun

it's outright stated multiple times that she can come back

[thorny sequoia]

so last weeks exotic fish was the first one right?

[slim elk]

Pretty much called it there.. and Maya won with it

What they are talking about.. look behind you in the room. It's the start of the Cloudark

[little gorge]

ok so

yes kind of

but also

the cloudark is very different from what the witness is

[slim elk]

Yep.
Still.. seems like everything for the "orchestra" is all set up.. it's just missing the director

And there's a Savathun sized hole behind Neomuna that has been barely addressed...

[vagrant bridge]

Here's hoping that with Savathun coming back we'll get some answers

[slim elk]

Finale mission this season is likely gonna be bringing savathuns corpse back to the throne world... heh

So we are crossing that line...

Maras gonna cause a shitstorm over this

[round junco]

can anyone send this weeks story quest spoilers pls?

[slim elk]

It's simple. We must revive Savathun

[round junco]

Damn thats cool

So what we gotta go find immaru?

[green cobalt]

pretty much

[slim elk]

All we literally have to do is throw her corpse back into the Throne World lol

[round junco]

Yeet

[slim elk]

It's just dead air for the rest of the season. Cliffhanger

[round junco]

Stupid seasonal model

[slim elk]

As for the Veil

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zif5YuxGIIs

[green cobalt]

stupid every form of media ever using cliffhangers

smh

[slim elk]

If can't figure it out.. what they are talking about is the start of the Cloudark in the video

[worldly river]

You still on about that? That's not what they mean
The Veil IS the "director," it's the control unit directing the communication between minds, but that's still not like what the Witness is, this is a a "distributed network"
It's peer to peer human minds

Each mind can communicate with every other mind but they're all individual

[slim elk]

Nah, listen to Maya in the video

Her system is set up like that

[worldly river]

I did I'm quoting her verbatim

She uses the term "distributed network"

A network configuration where every participant can communicate with one another without going through a centralized point. Since there are multiple pathways for communication, the loss of any participant will not prevent communication. This is also known as peer-to-peer network.

[slim elk]

Ask yourself this
If Maya didn't win in the end.. why would Cloudark still being used?

Esi having a breakdown at the moral implications...

[worldly river]

I don't see how that's relevant

She describes the technology they invented which is still in use today

[round junco]

You cant live forever in the cloud ark right?

[worldly river]

No because your mind is still attached to your body
The CloudArk is an interface you hook up to

Which facilitates networking between the interfaced minds

Peer to peer style

[little gorge]

i wonder how many people died just to make the funny neomuna metaverse

[slim elk]

Likely.. yes actually. They throw bodies in "cryo"

Still alive and need to be fed.. but definitely can slow down aging

[slim elk]

You have to think on who is pushing all this. Maya was "corrupted" and clearly had an ulterior motive

[round junco]

Oh what is it

[frigid sparrow]

lmao I thought the iron war beasts were legit just a bunch of war beasts not actual cabal soldiers

anyways despite everything this season's ending was actually really good

[slim elk]

Likely an attempt to create Witness like entity.. or Savathun pulling a stunt behind the scenes

[frigid sparrow]

mission was meh but the leadup to next season is very good, we know who'll be the major players and we can expect some things while having some stuff left in the dark as to what exactly needs to be done

[round junco]

2 more seasons to go thats crazy

[frigid sparrow]

wish we got some more stuff with xivu arath though, while I am guessing we'll get more next season I feel like she just wasn't as big of a presence as she could've been

[slim elk]

Considering Savathun is coming back? Likely will see Savathun and Xivu snarking at each other

That's too close a relationship to just be ignored

[round junco]

it gets ignored until the season after next

[frigid sparrow]

I really hope we don't have a super long "BUT CAN WE TRUST SAVATHUN?" part of the plot and we get to actually doing shit so we're not stuck waiting for 5 weeks until soemthing actually happens

[round junco]

we wait 5 weeks for something to happen

[slim elk]

Yeah.. sorry but that's the rest of the season

[frigid sparrow]

I want to feel like things happen again like in chosen and splicer

[slim elk]

There's literally nothing stopping us from dumping savathuns corpse in her throne world right now besides Bungie

[worldly river]

Probably not given the convo at the HELM this week
Zavala basically says "yeah we don't trust her, Ikora and Eris will keep her in check and if she sticks a claw out of line we'll put her down"

[slim elk]

goes off to ask Caital for a ghost cage

Strap one to Immaru. Boom

[round junco]

Daddy immaru

[worldly river]

Yeah but that doesn't change what the technology is, regardless of ulterior motives Esi was one of the people who designed it, she knows what it is and how it works
That said I should kinda apologize, I was being an asshole with how I was arguing before, I just think you're trying to hard to see something that you think is cool but isn't there

[frigid sparrow]

spider probably owes one of us a favor

he can probably whip up a ghost bomb for us

[round junco]

Isnt spider wanted by mara

[frigid sparrow]

she's not really interested in taking him in right now, more important stuff at hand

[round junco]

Is she still holdin her hands up at the farm

[frigid sparrow]

I believe she's aware of his situation at the tower but put her pride aside until he does something bad

[round junco]

Oh hes at the tower?

[slim elk]

That's the failure of your view there actually. Just listen to Esi breakdown she Wants to stop. If it was up to her.. Cloudark wouldn't exist... but it does and we have seen this pattern before with Clovis Bray

[frigid sparrow]

yeah we captured/rescued him in plunder

[worldly river]

Plus trying to go in there to take him out would probably be a wholeincident

[round junco]

And all his cool stuff?

[frigid sparrow]

some of it

[round junco]

Golden age exotics here we come

[slim elk]

All the good Clovis did, but we saw his true nature and his end goal

[frigid sparrow]

relics and whatnot

he resides with the rest of the eliksni and is treated as an equal

[round junco]

Be funny if they hung up his mona lisa painting somewhere

[frigid sparrow]

mostly