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[zinc pewter]

;lfg

[cinder flame]

Looking for more players?
Check out #looking-for-group for links to our LFG channels, and further resources including:

• Fireteam Finder (in-game LFG, available in the Roster tab or when launching an activity)
• Destiny 2 LFG Discord
• Renegades LFG Discord (Requires Renegades DLC)
• D2Checkpoint
• Reddit's r/Fireteam
• Reddit's r/DestinySherpa

[zinc pewter]

Top 2 links lead to the lfg server

[river arrow]

Oh thanks

[cobalt aurora]

nice, i really like uncivil discourse too but precision instrument air trigger really only good on lucky pants it seems

[zinc pewter]

Correct

[cobalt aurora]

ty xur

[fluid hull]

I wish I could get a T5 shiny one with magwell, aggregate, and reload MW
Best I got is a non-shiny one with those perks as well as a T4 shiny one

[bleak jetty]

Google wanted to show me a picture of its favorite spider.

[clever pine]

not even veist

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[torn jolt]

https://youtu.be/PMuO79rWBwQ?si=lWOf_xTd-atq326P

“We need the leadership team to step up.”

Something tells me as long as tyson greene is at the helm that aint happening

Dude can’t even bother to show up at major reveals

[clever pine]

whoa the guy who doesn't like showing up at things doesn't show up at things

[torn jolt]

Really makes me wonder why he was chosen

[clever pine]

to be game director

[ripe sluice]

no one left to choose

[clever pine]

that's so true they fired everyone else and it's just one guy working on d2 right now

[ripe sluice]

who's been there the longest

[ripe sluice]

or has left

[clever pine]

well they did move him over to Marathon so he's a bit late now

[ripe sluice]

welp

[amber tartan]

I’d believe you atp

Mf intern working on it

[dusk crater]

Im the only person left working on destiny 2

[covert oracle]

holy shit

[dusk crater]

Everytime one of you fuckers complains i take away a vault slot

[prisma glade]

Ehh

U gotta play with Alan sparks

He love gos

2k is nothing

[dusk crater]

How are you gonna say 2k is nothing with a straight face

[prisma glade]

I mean i only have 28.

[late heron]

There exists a fate worse than death

[rotund python]

playing with you

[late heron]

^ same mf begging me to duo witness with him

[prisma glade]

Bro… dying in the worst places 😭

[rotund python]

offering a carry btw

[amber tartan]

How tf do you die there

[frail locust]

Fanatic spawn is my guess.

Iirc wyverns can also come out of that spot.

[rotund python]

yep

templar was about to do wipe too

[amber tartan]

What about here

🔍

[rotund python]

yeahh

[upper willow]

Hiiii👋🏼 old Destiny gamer here returning after easily 3 years or more, is anyone on PS that can help bring me back up to speed? I feel soo lost lmao

[zinc pewter]

gir pfp

[light walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/878052727979147275/1050256186341064784/gosfarmer.gif

[green rapids]

🤑🤑🤑🤑

[late heron]

it gets to a point

[green rapids]

elaborate

[clever pine]

to a point, it gets

[zinc pewter]

yo, da

[tacit wigeon]

Wait a minute...

[regal wolf]

thats these 2 done one left

v e x

[torn jolt]

Icarax

https://tenor.com/view/makuta-teridax-makuta-bionicle-bionicle-2-legends-of-metru-nui-gif-3568391149324334976

[jade whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLo6auoayVg

[clever pine]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-cat-absolute-cinema-cat-gif-8724746330989628604

byff who??

[scenic meteor]

I FINALLY DID IT

EXPERT SOLO

[mystic saddle]

[dusty gale]

This perfect Better Devils dropped the other day

[rotund python]

how are you even playing on a mac

[mystic saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-meme-dumb-patrick-gif-9974665538168463324

[rotund python]

[green rapids]

streaming from my pc

also

[rotund python]

anything but work

[dusk crater]

This is what it takes to get a destiny player outside

[jolly mesa]

[potent falcon]

@obsidian halo

[obsidian halo]

What’s reactive

[potent falcon]

it's mid

much better to go 2pc adapter+2pc ferro

[obsidian halo]

What else do I get from eof

[potent falcon]

the raid exotic is really good

[obsidian halo]

Also can’t I do the raid without completing the campaign?

[potent falcon]

the raid arc smg is really good

[potent falcon]

yes you can but you should do campaign for armor

[dusk crater]

No you need to do the campaign

[potent falcon]

the strand sniper from the raid is also good

[potent falcon]

nah, you can have a friend take you in

you dont have to do campaign

[obsidian halo]

I really just want to get my hands on renegades heat weapons

But I guess I’ll do eof first

[fading crown]

I mean you have more than enough time to do both before June you don’t need to do them in order. I’d do Renegades first personally

[zinc pewter]

renegades wont make much sense unless you do eof though

[ripe sluice]

Eof won’t make sense unless you do final shape

[dusk crater]

Final shape wont make sense unless you do lightfall

[dusty gale]

Lightfall won’t make sense unless you do Witch Queen

[shell cairn]

I hope bungie sees this post

[ripe sluice]

Lightfall still doesn’t make sense

[rigid lake]

I think it’s insane how much hate lightfall got because of a slightly controversial character and a middling raid when Witch Queen was imo worse in almost every other way and was universally loved

[floral ether]

might be the take of all time

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-wrong-wrong-you-you-are-you're-gif-6231083504788334928

[rough gazelle]

and the better raid and better destination and better story but subpar ragebait is subpar ragebait

[dusty gale]

If that’s from today, they’re wrong since they need Renegades to play trials now. The rest of it’s right though

[shell cairn]

I posted that lol.

I thought I needed edge of fate

[scenic meteor]

Trippy

[rotund python]

bungie is so greedy!!!!

they didnt give me access to the thing i didnt pay for!

[scenic meteor]

Read that slowly

[rotund python]

i mean what i wrote

context is the conversation above

[rigid lake]

It’s not ragebait I genuinely believe Witch Queen is overrated and only had a good raid/story beats and an okay looking destination.

[ionic jetty]

Witch Queen was also the first Legendary campaign and introduced the subclass 3.0 reworks.

[dusty gale]

You always only need latest dlc for trials

[shell cairn]

I can bypass sms with that

[dusty gale]

Since Renegades is newest, you need that one

[shell cairn]

?

[dusty gale]

Idk

[shell cairn]

Bruh

[dusty gale]

I don’t know anything about sms verification but you do only need Renegades for Trials

[shell cairn]

Yea it was asking me to verify my number to play so

[rigid lake]

I don’t attribute gameplay reworks/concepts that extend beyond an expansion to that expansion. And even if you did, Stasi did it before Witch Queen and it only piggybacked off of Beyond Light’s success. The legendary campaign is also the worst of the ones we’ve gotten imo, but I suppose that’s subjective. I did not enjoy playing Witch Queen like I did with Strand or navigating Neomuna.

[dusty gale]

I wonder if internet archive would work and you could cheese it by using an older version of the page. Only idea that comes to mind

[shell cairn]

But anyway I just bought renegades so

We shall see if it works.

[gentle sable]

we are not playing the same game 💔

[ionic jetty]

Stasis wasn't a rework and didn't have a Legend campaign.

[shell cairn]

I’m sorry huh 😭

[dusty gale]

People can save snapshots of websites to the Internet archive. Sometimes, this does weird things with code.

[shell cairn]

Nothin

[ionic jetty]

Lightfall wasn't disliked because of a slightly controvertial character. It was disliked because it raised many questions, answered none of them until months later, and careered off the track into a marvel-esque super-hero training montage about Strand that was tangential to the story.

[rigid lake]

Stasis was a rework in the sense that it was an almost completely new system for our classes. If we never got Stasis in its unique form, we probably would never have gotten any subclass 3.0. And while Witch Queen did indeed have the first Legend Campaign, let’s not pretend like Legend Campaigns are anything more than just a more difficultly-scaled campaign. Not very innovative.

[dusty gale]

That’s… okay, give me like 5 minutes to actually get inside from work

[shell cairn]

Okay

[rough gazelle]

"worst legendary campaign" and it was one of the fairest

[shell cairn]

Also for the record lightfall is horrible

And strand is so boring

That’s why I got beyond light I love stasis so much better

[rough gazelle]

lightfall forced you to use strand at times in the campaign but gave you a super underdeveloped and middling version of strands kit

[ionic jetty]

Difficulty can count for a lot when it comes to gameplay. It actually made campaigns feel like they mattered.

[rough gazelle]

^

[shell cairn]

I just wish they added more super abilities for stasis since they only have one 🙁

[rigid lake]

Lightfall answered plenty of the questions it gave if you read (woah) and the questions I didn’t answer was pretty obviously on purpose for suspense and mystery. Isn’t that what all the D1 players wanted back, mystery and intrigue and things to think about.

[rough gazelle]

youre telling the lore guy to read

i dont think theres a better symbol for how this convo is going

[rigid lake]

I’m sure he’s already read and is just being argumentative for the sake of it.

[rough gazelle]

or, and get this, the storytelling of launch lightfall was really sporadic and unplanned because it was half of a whole expansion

[rigid lake]

I don’t understand the complaint about introducing too many new things when so many fucking people complain that we’re still in the Sol system and that we need to venture out into completely new territories.

[shell cairn]

They’re doing a update tomorrow morning so hopefully something changes

[rough gazelle]

lightfall had a unique narrative it was trying to weave but started so many threads and only resolved a few of them, had terrible tonal shifts throughout the campaign, didnt even give us the extra neomuna mission that i forgot the name of until later in the season, and had one of its biggest lore drops about the witness in a seasonal cutscene

[rigid lake]

Difficulty of course matters, I’d say I’ve enjoyed any campaign more on the hard difficulty. I’m just not gonna pretend it’s ingenious.

[ionic jetty]

Hardly. I enjoyed the gameplay of Lightfall's campaign, but the story was lacking and the direction felt wayward at best.
The information regarding the Veil wasn't answered until months later. Now, sure, people want mystery and intrigue, but this wasn't presented as a mystery in universe. It was presented as the foundational core of the entire network and lifeline of Neomuna, and we weren't told a jot about it.

I am not arguing for the sake of it. I am arguing because I have a differing opinion to you. Frankly, I'm rather insulted by the suggestion.

[rough gazelle]

lightfall framed it as if everyone knew about the Veil already

except the actual players didnt

[shell cairn]

The part with fighting calus was pretty difficult even on normal mode. But beforehand everything else was pretty easy.

[rough gazelle]

but the game treated us as if we knew what The Veil was

with Calus telling us multiple times about it

[shell cairn]

^

[rough gazelle]

calus?

osiris

[ionic jetty]

osrisis

[shell cairn]

The leader of cabal is not calus?

[rigid lake]

I feel like there was a very specific line from our ghost and Osiris about how the veil is important despite them not knowing anything about it, like they acknowledged it

[rough gazelle]

you cant start your campaign with osiris going "they found the veil!" when the players have no clue what it is

[ionic jetty]

Except then we spent months, and the post-campaign, still in the dark, despite being in open communication with the active citizens of the city. Heck, Quinn is an archivist.

[rough gazelle]

it completely obliterates any chance of there being stakes in the story

id even argue neomuna as a destination was horribly done

[dusty gale]

Hm, seems that idea won't work given that you need to be able to save a specific url address and the sms verification is tied to each individual account so it can't be saved via the Wayback Machine

[shell cairn]

Ughhhh

[rough gazelle]

presented as a sprawling cityscape

tallest building is miniscule

all the civilians are "in the cloudark" to avoid any actual stakes

absolutely zero felt cabal influence

[shell cairn]

Well at least it fixes two things getting renegades and access to trials

[rigid lake]

I feel like the obvious stakes is that “Witness wants this unfathomable thing so that he can fuck shit up.”

[rough gazelle]

why would i, as the player, care if i dont know what it is or how its going to fuck shit up

it feels like a macguffin

theres ways to build suspense and have the players guessing

bungie didnt accomplish it

[rigid lake]

Is macguffin the word we use now to describe anything that does something

[shell cairn]

All I gotta say the taken king was peak back in D1. Those were the days that mattered.

[ionic jetty]

Would you rather the actual mid-campaign macguffin, which it turns out the WItness and Calus didn't need at all, since they used Ghost?

[dusty gale]

Funny enough, I don't even think I have my sms verification done (at least, it doesn't show any phone number linked to my account) and I can still do trials and all that

[rough gazelle]

Radial Mast moment

[shell cairn]

And you have renegades

?

[dusty gale]

Yes

I have every expansion

[shell cairn]

Okay well it should fix the problem then

[rigid lake]

You’re losing me. What exactly are you asking me?

[rough gazelle]

you were complaining about the usage of the term macguffin and mael brought up how the lightfall campaign has one in the form of the Radial Mast

[ionic jetty]

You can certainly argue the Veil isn't a macguffin, but the Radial Mast was.

[rigid lake]

I don’t disagree that the radial mast was dumb. I’m not defending everything that lightfall did.

[ionic jetty]

The subversion of using Ghost was also frankly illogical. The Witness has had access to multiple Ghosts, as has Calus.

Remember Katabasis, from Presage? Shadow of Earth.

Calus's lackey.

It did make for a cinematic moment, though.

[rough gazelle]

calus was super boring in lightfall too

[shell cairn]

Yes

[ionic jetty]

I'll give Calus credit insomuch as he had some exciting development during Haunted and Duality as preludes to Lightfall

[rigid lake]

Very well, i use gilgamesh shell with most of my fashion. My argument to that would be of the Witness’s character, which you may disagree with but I think its compelling enough. The Witness kind of pretends to have everything together and a succinct and well-executed plan, but he throws fucking tantrums and has a massive ego for a supposed “many things being”

[ionic jetty]

That's true enough. It sees itself and the Final Shape it tries to bring as the answer to the universe's pain. A big ego is par for the course, I suppose.

[rigid lake]

The Witness wanted to go about claiming the veil a specific way, because he’s a borderline manchild who wouldnt accept some shitfuck guardian of the “Light” (katabasis had issues) to do his tasks for him. Using our Ghost, as a perversion of our Light, makes him feel like he’s manipulating the light as he plans to do within the Pale Heart, in a way that would not give him satisfaction if simply using a subservient guardian pet

This might just be subjective, but it’s my personal justification.

[rigid lake]

I would’ve appreciated a cutscene or two extra actually within Lightfall outside of the preceeding Haunted season’s developments, depicting more to Calus’s relationship with his Darkness sugar daddy

I’m a sucker for anything Calus related, so I’m probably just be easy to be pleased regarding him.

[ionic jetty]

I won't disagree, though Katabasis was but one of many opportunities. Heck, a Ghost literally wandered blindly into Rhulk's Pyramid, once.

[dusk crater]

😬 Pillory 😫 bunker 🥵

[ionic jetty]

[rigid lake]

IIRC its made a point that the Witness even using Calus is strange seeing as how capable he is, I cannot remember if there was a specific reason given why the Witness doesn’t claim the Veil itself.

[dusk crater]

We just killed your dad! Fistbump!!!!

[dusty gale]

Hell yeah, your dad's dead! proceeds to lose anyway

[shell cairn]

I can’t fathom how much I rage in crucible

It’s like chronically bad 😭

[dusty gale]

Trials will not help you in that

[dusk crater]

Always keep your ghost on a leash

[dusty gale]

It's even worse

[shell cairn]

I want the immortal because it’s good for PvP

That’s the only reason why I wanted to play trials

[rotund python]

you want to suffer in pvp to get a gun for the gamemode that makes you suffer🔥

destiny player at heart

[shell cairn]

I’ve been playing since taken king so yes

[ionic jetty]

Plays back into your commentary about ego, really. The Witness likes to cause pain to the subjects of the Traveler's benevolence, and delights in wielding those who betray it or fall for the Witness's lies. Each Disciple had a different view of the Final Shape, each benefiting themselves.

Calus, as I'm sure you well know given your favour, desired to be the last living thing in existence. That was his Final Shape.

[dusk crater]

Thatd be so boring

[ionic jetty]

In other words... it wanted to take things slowly. It hurts more that way.

[dusk crater]

Who would i ragebait on discord

[ionic jetty]

He wasn't exactly a well developed, healthy-minded man.

[rigid lake]

I still could’ve sworn there was an explanation for why the witness isnt itself on Neomuna. I’m sure they’re probably would’ve been more witness involvement if the Dread wasn’t pushed to Final Shape like I assume they were

[ionic jetty]

And he had terrible dental cover

[rigid lake]

I miss leviathan

[ionic jetty]

We know why the Witness didn't use the Veil beforehand and how it ended up on Neomuna, so there's that. Long story short, Savvy hid it there when she betrayed Smokestack.

Thanks, Savvy.

[rigid lake]

My queen

If there’s anything I can give to Witch Queen over Lightfall, its direct interaction with a character we’ve been begging to get more of since early d1

[ionic jetty]

She's certainly made a bigger impact than her sister thus far. Unless you could what happened to Big Red.

[rigid lake]

That’s likely why most people think of Witch Queen so highly is because Savathuun is an extremely interesting character that most players had a lot more interest in than a lore merchant at the time

[ionic jetty]

It also introduced new enemies, which was neat.

[dusk crater]

And a banger raid

[rigid lake]

Hive guardians were cool. Too bad they don’t get used much anymore

[dusk crater]

WQ was a near perfect dlc minus the destination

And crafting

[ionic jetty]

They're just out of the cycle. They'll return.

[rigid lake]

I despised all of the post-campaign content other than the raid.

[ionic jetty]

I still think crafting should be maintained. Let people get their god roll crafted goods, but have random roll variants be objectively better.

Loot chase remains, failsafe still exists.

[dusk crater]

I just fail to see the point of crafting when we are so powercrept as it is, and we had no problems clearing content with inoptimal loot before crafting

[ripe sluice]

failsafe is still on nessus

[dusk crater]

People just overestimate the value of good rolls

[ionic jetty]

i know and it hurts

[rigid lake]

Crafting can exist as long as red borders are dissolved into nothingness. Turn every red border reward into some high-level activity that grants you Deepsight thingamabobz

[ripe sluice]

they just shouldn't have given craftable weapons enhanced perks and made those exclusive to adepts

[floral ether]

If anything that’d make it worse imo

[ripe sluice]

we thought crafting would be get to try all the perk combos without hunting down the rolls

then when you get a roll you like, go get a better version of it

[ionic jetty]

If I'm being honest, a significant part of it from my personal view is that I'm tired of the constant loot chase and all my old gear being redundant. Having a simple option I can slowly chip away at makes me feel like I can respect my own time more.

Of course, I recognise that's a conflicting view with the game's genre, not strictly an issue with the game itself.

[dusk crater]

Crafting also putting a shelf life on evergreen content was also horrible for the game long term

[frail locust]

My canon is ever since being fully integrated into the helm that is where she resides now. Since when the helm was shot down in revenant eido even made a point of us not leaving failsafe alone "again" on europa which is where the helm crashed

[floral ether]

what

[dusk crater]

And now we have T5 loot which overcorrected into being as problematic if not more than crafting

[rigid lake]

I get way more dopamine from getting a weapon I want to drop that cannot be crafted, compared to getting a red border of a weapon I want to craft

[ionic jetty]

Her core's still on Nessus despite being hooked up to the HELM in Echoes and we're salty and in denial about it

[floral ether]

no yeah, I get that part, where’d Europa come from though

[ionic jetty]

Fikrul crashed into us during the Revenant intro and the HELM crashed onto Europa.

[rigid lake]

T5’s would be fine if they were attributed to harder content and not just a bigger level deficit. Also fuck feats

[ionic jetty]

HELM was later hauled back to the City

[floral ether]

mm, I see

[dusk crater]

Nah

[ionic jetty]

Hence why it's on the Wall now

[floral ether]

I thought it was just on the Wall already

Totally forgot it even existed on Europa at one point

[dusk crater]

Even if tier 5 loot was tied to harder content, we're too strong, and that loot would be obtained too easy still

[ionic jetty]

Yeah a lot of people forgot the Europa bit, but we didn't actually see the crash landing, so I'm not surprised

[dusk crater]

Really, tiered loot just shouldnt be a thing, or at the least shouldnt have triple perks

[rigid lake]

Destiny is my gambling simulator with a shooting game attached. I want to work for my spins

[dusk crater]

And we need to be much weaker than we are right now

[frail locust]

Failsafe did try to steer the helm away and even said she had prior experience in crash landings. So even in revenant she was still in the Helm

[rigid lake]

I think the tier system is to linear, and that there should be more of a difference between t5’s and t4’s beyond the enhanced origin trait

[ionic jetty]

She was connected yeah but the connection isn't an upload
for soooome reason

free our girl

[frail locust]

Let me have this. Yes her core is still on nessus but as of echoes she now lives with us but now with remote access to the exodus back on nessus. There's even lore cards talking about how she's happy she doesn't need to worry about battery power notifcations anymore

[rigid lake]

T5’s should be like adepts with massively unique aspects, they should be very hard to obtain unless you’re doing beyond light-era grandmasters level of difficulty. I like extra perk rolls, which massively increases the chance of the hard work you put into your activity giving you what you want, but there should be something even bigger. Maybe nothing below t5 is enhanced, maybe t4’s only have 2 in each column.

[ionic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/very-well-norman-rodway-reilly-ace-of-spies-cummings-very-good-gif-24310876

[shell cairn]

What does adept do exactly

[dusk crater]

Nothing

[shell cairn]

Wow

[rigid lake]

Maybe some crazy shit where only t5s can equip unique volatile-tier mods or smth.

[shell cairn]

I have 200 health and 115 melee and 85 class and 75 super is that good for PvP

[rigid lake]

Or just take away all the weird extra mods every gun got in edge of fate like bandolier or synergy from t4 and bow

[frail locust]

Originally it meant extra perks, stats and access to adept mods

[shell cairn]

So I’m assuming there aren’t any “adept” mods anymore

[dusk crater]

Loots always been at its best without trying to break legendary gear into even more rarities

[shell cairn]

I remember how hard it was to get a legendary engram from drops now it’s so easy

[frail locust]

There are it's just you can use them on T4-T5 weapons

[ionic jetty]

Ahh, Adept Mods. How... pointless they were 9/10 times.

[rigid lake]

Loot was at its best in arrivals

[shell cairn]

I don’t think rare engrams drop anymore e

[dusk crater]

But adept big ones!!! Big ones!!! The big ones!!!

[rigid lake]

Adept stability

[dusk crater]

(It did not make adepts worth the effort either way)

[rigid lake]

Bungie should have made adept mods fucking insanely busted or just wacky and wild instead of the lame shit they did to not scare PVP players

make my adapt palindrome shoot 2 bullets at a time like DFA or make my adept doody bound a 720

[dusk crater]

Casuals didnt like not having access to adepts so bungie never commited to making adepts stand out

[rigid lake]

Make adept Hezen rockets make vortexes on impact

[dusk crater]

But giving loot from endgame sources outright better rolls would go right under the radars of said casuals

[rigid lake]

When the endgame gear is better than the easy to access gear in the game about loot 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢

[dusk crater]

Which is why legendaries simply just need to be legendaries

[rigid lake]

Hard content has to give something though. Better chances at your perfect god roll just isnt enough for me, and smidgens of stats aint either

At one point it was for exotics and shards because those things were somewhat hard to obtain consistently, but it’s too late to go back to that model

[dusk crater]

Every time bungie tries to spray paint the carrot on the stick it never works out and we end up in this loop of doing random bullshit to make loot feel more appealing instead of just making good loot thats good

Its adepts, then its crafting, then its enhancables on adepts, then its tiers that dont really mean anything

[rigid lake]

They’re capable of doing weird shit as seen with arms race.

[dusk crater]

People had no problem with guns just being guns so long as they rolled well

[rigid lake]

Eventually you’re just gonna run out of new ideas for a vanilla good weapon, and new loot won’t be interesting because the old loot is already in my vault

[dusk crater]

Not really, we had it made with perks exclusive to raids

[rigid lake]

I think origin traits is a good middle ground between what you want and what I want

[dusk crater]

Origin traits always end up being negligble at best

A cool addition, but nothing that radically changes loot

[rigid lake]

But even then, why use any new rocket when the raid from 4 years ago has the Best Perk In Slot.

[dusk crater]

Loot lives and dies by the perks on it, thats always been true, and still is, loot just needs to be good

[dusk crater]

The rocket from 4 years ago that was refreshed much more recently

[rigid lake]

Like if bait n switch was only on the Vow weapons, where the fuck would I get any heavy weapon from any other content when I have bait n switch here

[dusk crater]

From any piece of content with a half decent alternative, as we've always done

[dusk crater]

Like you just said this

So which is it

[rigid lake]

But why get an alternative?

[dusk crater]

Because its a looter shooter and you need to accumulate loot to do more things?

So if i dont think im ready to do something like vow, i do something like nightfalls for loot to get me built up?

Or i get a lucky half decent roll from xur?

You dont just go straight in

[rigid lake]

Suppose in 20XX when every variance of every archetype of every energy of every weapon exists, which we arent too far away from honestly, and the only difference is a couple exclusive perks, are we just going to expect infinite powercreep

[dusk crater]

No, we just understand that the game we've been playing for 10+ years is never gonna meet our need for difficulty

Perks dont need to be better, they just need to be good enough and interesting

Nerf where needed, buff where needed

[rigid lake]

ideas are running out. The issue with your hypothetical is that eventually perks start getting boring, or just way too complicated.

[dusk crater]

Thats gonna happen regardless of whatever flavor of endgame loot they do that still ends up being the same shit repainted

[rigid lake]

You can see it even right now with some origin traits being the most bland dogshit ever (fucking Paracausal Fluid)

[dusk crater]

Adepts have never been interesting, they never will be

Loot has always been its strongest when they dont overcomplicate it and let loot just be loot

[rigid lake]

adepts are the easiest way to theoretically make twice the amount of weapon options if they made adept weapons different and unique compared to the non-adept. I’m pro-reusing content, I do not hate when I see a reskin of an old weapon

Every Escape Velocity variant is my child

[dusk crater]

Its not abkut reskinning, its about wasting those resources when they add nothing to the game

Adepts have never been noticeably better

[rigid lake]

And i’m saying they could be if bungie locked in

It’s kind of just too late though with tiers now

[dusk crater]

Bungie has been trying to make extra variants of legendaries work for as long as destiny has been an ip, its not happening lol

Extra variants that are noticeably better are bad for the game anyways

[rigid lake]

Make my adept weapon have like +60 free reload speed and every third headshot makes a cool sound with a big sword explosion

[dusk crater]

It only serves to lean too hard into making loot into a stat game and it removes skill expression

[rigid lake]

If the old stuff is still good, and still very useable, a.e. the adept isn’t changing a weapon in a way they makes it uniquely viable, than that is fine

[dusk crater]

And suddenly pvp becomes inaccessible

[rigid lake]

Idk disable “adept improvements” from pvp

[dusk crater]

Loot has to just be loot

[dusk crater]

Then why does it exist to begin with

This is the exact problem bungie has been chasing for 12 years

[rigid lake]

The difficult content is pve content, for pve players. Likewise, you could add some insane PVP weapons to trials that would theoretically be busted in pve

[dusk crater]

Theyve already done that

[rigid lake]

If crucible was less reliance on PVE loot the game would be better off i think

[dusk crater]

Without needing adepts

Because good loot is just good loot

Reeds regret being a huge example of that

Also riptide

[rigid lake]

Was reeds busted in PVP?

[dusk crater]

No, but it was a pvp weapon drop that was a top competitor in pve

[rigid lake]

I don’t want that, thats a bit of my argument

The highest gear in each activity should be good for their side, usable in both but noticeably better in one than the other

[dusk crater]

Thats still problematic

[zinc pewter]

make adepts have enhanceable everything, and keep crafted at just the main 2 perks

that would be reason enough to farm adepts

[dusk crater]

Adepts just shouldnt exist

Or crafting, or tiers

[zinc pewter]

they shouldnt, at least not how they are. but seeing as bungie is bringing them back its the only way to make master raids worth farming

[dusk crater]

It just overcomplicates loot that still lives and dies by its perks pools at the end of the day

And it makes onboarding worse when bungie keeps making a million variants of a single rarity of loot

[rigid lake]

My experimental insane person desire for adepts is for them to be personable and “grow” with you. Steal the leveling system away from crafted weapons, and make your adept weapon able to become more customizable and flexible over time, in a way that you cannot access by simply grinding shuro chi or something

[dusk crater]

But the thing is, you cant have a variant of an existing weapon that is just flat out, noticeably better

[rigid lake]

If I put 100 honest gameplay hours into an Adept Subjunctive, that mf should have a cool ass shader, like 4 diff selctable optics/reticles, every potential perk roll selectable, and my fucking name on it

[dusk crater]

So loot should mean nothing

We're right back into putting a shelf life on content because the gun has everything on it

Leaving new players in the dust

[rigid lake]

If we stopped making perks that were objectively stronger than older perks, think pre-destabilizing rounds pve primaries, then the system would be functional

[dusk crater]

This is what balancing is for

And no, it wouldnt

You cant just have guns be the everything

Its likely not technically possible to have all perks on a single gun anyways, this was an issue bungie raised in WQ

[rigid lake]

The adept gun would not be better, it would just be very flexible and cooler. It’s not like the adept version would have triple insane backflip katana voltshot compared to your average old voltshot, but maybe my voltshot would be purple and green

[dusk crater]

We dont need perk rarity to be a thing

[rigid lake]

Every potential perk roll, not every perk to be added and exist

[dusk crater]

So its just crafting

And thus invalidating long term loot chases still

[rigid lake]

Yes. Crafting failed because it was a checklist that gave you the godroll at the end.

[dusk crater]

Theres no variant of this that works out

Bungie has tried to their own detriment for 12 years to make it work

[zinc pewter]

i mean you can though, master raids should be more rewarding that regular

it encourages players to engage in that content

[dusk crater]

You cant, as long as pvp exists

[zinc pewter]

and who tf cares about new players getting the best loot, that just shouldnt be the case

[zinc pewter]

there are alternatives to every gun, just having the best loot doesnt somehow make you better at the game either

[dusk crater]

Its more about new players taking in a loot system that has several invalidated variants

Its sloppy at best

[zinc pewter]

and they should work towards the best stuff

[dusk crater]

They shouldnt have to wade through a decade of failed systems to get there

[zinc pewter]

enhanced barrels, mags, masterwork and weapon mod arent a huge advantage

[zinc pewter]

they shouldnt and wont though

[rigid lake]

If a new Escape Velocity variant released with similar perks and maybe 2-4 new ones, but not explicitly better perks, I’d probably stick with my current one. But if the new Escape Velocity variant released and it played Gangam Style notes with every bullet fired, and the reticle had a moustache, I’d probably consider getting it

[zinc pewter]

launch master raid -> complete encounters/encounter challenges -> get best loot

[dusk crater]

A new player can encounter adept loot, enhanced loot, crafted loot, and tiered loot all at once right now

[rigid lake]

It wouldn’t be necessarily objectively better than my current Escape Velocity, but it would absolutely have incentive

[dusk crater]

They shouldnt, and can right now

[zinc pewter]

and bungie is working on updating everything to the better, tiered system

[dusk crater]

That still leaves old adept loot that wont be added to this, and old non tiered loot that wont

[zinc pewter]

adept are being updated with it

[dusk crater]

Raid and dungeon adepts are

[rigid lake]

As opposed to the adepts that like 4 ppl own total rn

Because like you said, adepts were never worth it really

[dusk crater]

Xur sells adepts

[rigid lake]

They still arent worth it

[dusk crater]

I know, but a new player doesnt

[zinc pewter]

because older adepts got discontinued and are no longer obtainable

at least not outside of Xur

[dusk crater]

Yes, which still leaves the problem that new players can encounter them

Which shouldnt be the case, but it is

A new player shouldnt have to encounter a decade of failed attempts to make loot interesting

Loot needs to be the same anywhere it can be found

A problem TFS kinda solved

[rigid lake]

I feel like it’s not a coincidence that Destiny is the only living looter shooter that also has constantly changing loot structures

[dusk crater]

It is not

[rigid lake]

I feel like you wouldn’t consider those niche uninteresting perks like Tunnel Vision and Surplus as equivalent to other sorts of structure failures

[dusty gale]

I don't think that's so bad that there are different kinds of loot but rather that there's no clear distinction for [between] them. A new player will probably just be happy to have any of them, and once they realize that there are different kinds, they'll wonder if one of them is better than the other and that's far less immediately obvious

[rigid lake]

It’s just a product of the specific time and a trial that bungie had. Weapons don’t roll with tunnel vision anymore because people did not care about tunnel vision.

There aren’t a lot of interesting perks that got discontinued on newer weapons except some edge cases

[rigid lake]

Bungie is deathly afraid of adding tooltips to anything that needs them

[dusty gale]

Imma be real, didn't even know they added a whole page explaining weapons and armor in the character screen until I accidentally pressed the right button for it

It is one of their weakest points across the franchise's history

[rigid lake]

Imagine a box that appears on hovering an adept weapon saying “ this is an adept variant, and it has access to special perks and a unique look”

They kind of did this with the tier system but they should probably go back and expand this to other spaces

[dusty gale]

On one hand, this wasn't needed a few years ago because all you had were adepts and that was easy enough to figure out that they were special

On the other hand, it'd be nice to have something that explains things to new players

[rigid lake]

I think there’s somewhat getting better at having some explicit clarity into things. I just don’t know why it took so long.

Even if you can kind of obviously tell an adept is better, nothing actually says so, you just kind of intuit it from the extra perk slot/slots and ornament.

Don’t even get me started on the 500 different perks that give you “increased xyz” on specific action and all of these values are different

[frail locust]

Literally a "help" tooltip one the bottom left of the weapon inspection screen iirc

[rigid lake]

Wait when was this added

[frail locust]

EoF i believe. Whole menus of help for new players

[rigid lake]

I did say they were getting better with tooltips

[dusty gale]

That's the page I was talking about

I'm pretty sure the only mention of them adding this would be in a twid and not ingame

[rigid lake]

I thought you were just talking about the tier explainer

[dusty gale]

Nah

[rigid lake]

Well, nothing i didnt already know but its nice to have more info ingame

Specifically info not tied to some one off quest you’re forced to do on login

Wait what the fuck are unstable cores

[dusty gale]

Is that still listed somewhere? That's funny

[frail locust]

Yeah i'd imagine bungie didn't prioritise updating it

[shell cairn]

@

[steady fulcrum]

carefully btw to not drop any info that dont belong on a public server of this size

Just fyi

[dusk crater]

Too late, ive already take control of bros smart home

We WILL listen to Jellyfish Jam at 500% volume

[proven shuttle]

ayo what

maybe i missed smth but why do we have a 7 hour downtime

[clever pine]

why not

bungie are allowed a little extended downtime, as a treat

[sonic dock]

i enabled my old destiny calendar from back in the day and holy shit thats a throwback... i forgot about flashpoints

[torn jolt]

I may have a hoarding problem

[agile ravine]

this is still my magnum opus i dont think ill ever top this

[hot hill]

Was looking through my stuff and I found this
I remember buying it years ago I think during red war days

[light walrus]

ahh yes back when we had to buy destiny 2 before it went f2p and got no rewards for having the game bought at the time

[drowsy vortex]

Looked back when I was 7 or something and this was my load out i used in d1

[hardy pasture]

It's been 7 years bruh relax

[light walrus]

yea ik but it's lowkey dumb still to this day we got nothing for it

[clever pine]

you got your playtime

[dusty gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzfAg4J01ME

[frail locust]

You didn't get any of the emblems like for the beta? No shrouded stripes or veteran of the hunt emblem?
There were a few veteran player rewards..

[light walrus]

Don't think so no

you'd have to send me a pic of where and how they look

[clever pine]

audible lithp

[frail locust]

Veteran of the hunt and shrouded stripes came from a package from zavala for playing iirc during forsaken to shadowkeep
"The first wave" emblem was for participating in the beta for D2.

[light walrus]

i should have it then

[amber tartan]

Don’t forget emperors shadows

I wonder how rare that one is

[dusty gale]

The lisp doesn't bother me. What actually bothers me is that he isn't notating things correctly 💀

Like, most of the themes he shows on screen are just... wrong

[frail locust]

The prestige spire shader?

[dusty gale]

Charlie should have it

[amber tartan]

Collectors edition shader

100 dolands for it

[frail locust]

Ngl i honestly forgot D2 had a collectors edition. I remember you could get hawthornes bag but that was it

[dusty gale]

I don't have a shader called "Emperor's Shadows"

[amber tartan]

I do

And I have the collectors edition

This is the emblem for it

It’s very yellow and kind of an eyesore

[dusty gale]

Okay, so, that's not a shader

[clever pine]

also i think the on-screen notes at 6:50 are completely wrong

[amber tartan]

Did I say shader

[dusty gale]

Correct

And yes

[dusty gale]

here

[amber tartan]

Oopsie !

The brain hollowing has started 👁️ I’ve been awake too long

[dusty gale]

Except for the Cabal theme, whenever he first showcases a motif, it's the right notes. Every other time after that is usually wrong

[potent falcon]

@dusty gale this is what i remember seeing

it's hella annoying

[dusty gale]

Amazing recreation

10/10

[clever pine]

the one at 6:50 really jumped out to me

it's not even the guardian leitmotif

[dusty gale]

It's the Inner Light motif

At least he acknowledged the mistakes in the comments?

I still wish I had access to the original scores like Atlyx does :/

[sonic dock]

those came for playing forsaken in its first month actually and were rewarded in nov 2018

[sonic dock]

which ones that

[frail locust]

Ok so I was like half right then.

[sonic dock]

kinda... except they were rewarded even b4 black armory trailer soooo xD

Available to Guardians who played Destiny 2 Forsaken before October 16th, 2018. The bundle that contained this emblem was released on December 18th, 2018.

nvm it was after black armoy

there was a 2nd emblem tho for vets

Released to celebrate the first anniversary of Destiny 2 on PC. If you played on PC during the first year, Destiny 2 rewarded a Triumph and this emblem.

nvm thats for y1

[main iris]

I still think this is one of the greater preorder emblems we’ve gotten.

[quartz junco]

yeeea am not posting the eververse at 12 pm💀

[steel token]

Is destiny STILL farking down. Is Bungie even trying anymore

[dusty gale]

Yes, yes they are

[steel token]

What happened this time. Bit of code not jivving right?

[dusty gale]

No idea, probably won't ever know

Bungie doesn't tend to give explanations for regular downtimes

[steel token]

This is a regular down time?

Thought it was a bit longer then usual. I'm usually on by 5am.

[dusty gale]

It is longer than usual. I was talking about things like dlc releases

Those are the only ones that get any kind of explanation

[proven shuttle]

the new-light special

[main iris]

what’s that mean?

[proven shuttle]

ive never seen a person with 100+ hours rock that emblem

it is pretty though

[clever pine]

emblem elitism

[silver ginkgo]

i am the ultimate crayon

[dusty gale]

This sound will haunt me forever

This is with the in game SFX volume at 10. I normally have it at 6 and I can still hear it from practically across the map

[proven shuttle]

bright dust store dry as hell

[dusk crater]

I think a bit more than eververse is dry rn

[clever pine]

that's strange

shadow and order is soon!

[dusty gale]

Been dry ever since they removed Fishing

[clever pine]

true

[lavish moss]

@fading crown

[fading crown]

And what are you asking ?

[lavish moss]

to lvl up super and weapons

[fading crown]

Running paragon/gunner armor

[lavish moss]

what is that?

[fading crown]

The armor that’s called paragon and gunner

[lavish moss]

oh

where or how can i get it?

sorry for bother you

[fading crown]

Same way you get all armor

But you have like

Health

Which sucks in pve

And then no other stat to even 100 on that build

You need to collect some better armor and use https://d2armorpicker.com/login to make a build

[lavish moss]

i don’t know how to make a good build by myself, that’s some build i found in tiktok

[fading crown]

Just research shit

Test things out

[lavish moss]

now i just want to clear equilibrium as many times as possible in the most efficient way

[fading crown]

Well I’d probably not use a titan then

[lavish moss]

what should i use?

[potent falcon]

warlock

john chunk

[fading crown]

Def warlock

[lavish moss]

okey bro

thank you

[dusty gale]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2026/02/20/the-portal-poisoned-destiny-2-and-bungie-is-not-looking-for-a-cure/

[dusk crater]

Yeah cant say ive particularly enjoyed d2 nearly much since bungie threatened us with portal

[glass cosmos]

two tail fox in the big 2026

also am i trippin or thats rickroll emote

[ripe sluice]

that's a ghost projection

[glass cosmos]

oh bruv

emote when

[ripe sluice]

kinda works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIE3UjIfLwY

[glass cosmos]

i cant belive i got rick rolled

[obsidian halo]

@warm basin

I was using this

It was a pea shooter

Not saying the gun is bad

Just something is wrong

[warm basin]

Who are you using it against?

[obsidian halo]

Um taken I’m pretty sure

Just did the mission that gives the oxygen

[warm basin]

Red bars?

[obsidian halo]

Yes

I’ll try and get a clip one sec

[glass cosmos]

primary ammo are just very weak rn

also its a 450 so its kinda a bad frame to be used in pve

[ripe sluice]

isn't that a GM?

that's why, you're capped at -50 there

[half bear]

[glass cosmos]

-50

its like brining a BB/Airsoft guns to warzone

[obsidian halo]

Wdym?

My power lvl is 360-400

But my teammates made me 545

[glass cosmos]

yeah, you are too underlevel for gms

[ripe sluice]

Doesn't matter what your power level is

[obsidian halo]

No, you’re not understanding

[glass cosmos]

its normal for primary ammo to not works well in -50

[obsidian halo]

Wtf is -50??.

[obsidian halo]

?

[ripe sluice]

gm's cap you at -50 power level

[glass cosmos]

pretty much

[dusty gale]

-50 means that, no matter what level you're at, the enemies are 50 levels above you

[obsidian halo]

So we all did no dmg with primary ammo?

[dusty gale]

Yes

You'd literally be better off throwing your grenade on cooldown probably

[glass cosmos]

its a hot topic around d2 community for bungie to buff primary ammo weapon

[obsidian halo]

Yea I was crutching my ability’s

[glass cosmos]

so yeah

in -50 you usually have to rely on ability/. special ammo weapon to pretty much play the activity

[obsidian halo]

So hunters are at a disadvantage? Or did I just not have the right build

[glass cosmos]

as for hunter, a popular gms build are usually, just orb prints and spam super like strand super for adds clear

also bring choir of one

[dusty gale]

All classes are meant to be viable in endgame content so wrong build

[obsidian halo]

I had celestial night hawk

[glass cosmos]

i see the problem now

[obsidian halo]

What’s a good strand build

[glass cosmos]

celestial nighthwak are usually used in dps rotation/swap

[ripe sluice]

teach him how to hunter

[glass cosmos]

i am speaking in terms of prismatics

prismatic with strand hunter equipped

[obsidian halo]

Ok that’s fine too

I need to get the rest of the fragments unlocked but I low key don’t know how

Also dose fortunes favor help with primary Ammo doing no dmg?

[glass cosmos]

its more so a preference at the end, but i seen a lot of hunters bring strand super, with orbs gens/super gen weapon, then pop super and clear the whole room with it.

strand super is a roaming super, so you have a passive regen of x3 compare to normal one shot super

90% of the end game hunter builds rely on class item which surrounding inmostlight & cyrtaracne (if you have strand super and facet of purpose equip, you can go something else like synthocept)

[obsidian halo]

I just need to finish the campaigns

[glass cosmos]

enemies tend to be super tanky so you want to stack drs in high end + also making sure you have good utils to deal with enemies

[stray sparrow]

Hunters are probably the weakest right now for high end content

[glass cosmos]

some what

[obsidian halo]

I can tell

[stray sparrow]

But it depends on the build you're running

There are still strong ones

[obsidian halo]

This warlock I was with was spamming nothing manicals lowkey wish I could spam grenade

[obsidian halo]

I don’t wanna cheese and swap armor

That’s a bad habit

[glass cosmos]

the build i send above tend to be the best class setup( not mods) for end game hunter

[stray sparrow]

Swapping armor is a bad habit?

[glass cosmos]

armor swap is not a bad habit

[obsidian halo]

But sometimes the content locks your build also what if I just wanted a solid build that didn’t require swapping armor mid fight?

[glass cosmos]

its a good method to making sure you are min maxing your dps

[obsidian halo]

I’m not fall for this propaganda

[glass cosmos]

i mean, you only use armor swap during boss encounter

not much of the roaming activities

[obsidian halo]

Then I wish people would stop recommending it to me

[stray sparrow]

For activities that lock your loadout, you really need to make sure you've got a good build

There's plenty of YouTube videos you can probably look up for it

[obsidian halo]

No shit. That’s why I wanna figure this stuff out but people keep telling me that i need to swap between lucky pants and a celestial nighthawk

They act like that’s the only good thing on Hunter

[stray sparrow]

They probably assumed you meant raids/dungeons as high end content

[glass cosmos]

Make sure to mention roaming activities or DPS encounters

[obsidian halo]

I don’t even have access to the hand cannon required for that lucky pants stuff

[glass cosmos]

Both serve different purposes

Like the GMs you are doing, those consider as roaming activities

[stray sparrow]

But for conquests and grandmaster alerts, I would honestly just go to YouTube and look up "Renegades hunter build", watch through a few and see what activities the build is good for

Those videos will be way more helpful and more in-depth then we can give probably

[obsidian halo]

Also I still don’t have a special ammo weapon for the top slot

[stray sparrow]

Mactics has some good builds on his channel if you want to take a look, I've run some of them and they perform well

[obsidian halo]

Yea I’ve watched him before

[stray sparrow]

#1 pick on top slot right now is probably Mint Retrograde, although unfortunately you'd have to wait for Bungie to make it earnable again if you don't have one

[obsidian halo]

I know

[stray sparrow]

Kind of hope they at least make them earnable again soon since they were planning to do it for Shadow and Order

[obsidian halo]

What about nox sidereal

[glass cosmos]

It's meh

Get riptide

[stray sparrow]

Meh for PvE, at least right now

[glass cosmos]

You have controlled burst/chill clip on it it's better

[stray sparrow]

Definitely recommend that yeah

[obsidian halo]

How do I grind it

[glass cosmos]

Also #📘pve-playbook

Let's continue there

[stray sparrow]

PvP weapon, normally that'd be a slog if you hate PvP but it kind of rains loot now

[hallow needle]

@tacit hedge

Hello

(I know this is media guys)

[half bear]

erm

this isnt off topic

[tacit hedge]

@hallow needle Yo

[hallow needle]

Whats poppin

[zinc pewter]

@vapid juniper

[tacit hedge]

Gurt

[hallow needle]

Yo, Gurt

[tacit hedge]

Gurt: yo

[hallow needle]

Hows it going with you today

[tacit hedge]

I had a terrible nightmare

[hallow needle]

Aw, wanna talk about it? :)

[tacit hedge]

Yeah

In my nightmare you were hungry and didn't have chicken shawarma with extra garlic sauce

[hallow needle]

Holy fuck I wouldn't last 5 minutes

[tacit hedge]

How are you my Egyptian

[hallow needle]

I be vibin' free today, no gym, no work

[tacit hedge]

Wygd today then

[hallow needle]

Absolutely nothing, wbu? :)

[tacit hedge]

I'm going to the streets to sell bangles and samosas

[hallow needle]

Holy moly

[tacit hedge]

What did you break your fast with today

[shell cairn]

ciequu guy was cheating

[hallow needle]

I baked some bread with ground beef with lots of spices, wbu?

[tacit hedge]

I'm not a muslim

[potent falcon]

i mean, what he's doing isnt undoable

if you get a bot lobby, which sometimes happens

[shell cairn]

his score compared to everyone elses and i watched replay he never missed a single shot and 2 tapped me with a HC from 90 meters away

[potent falcon]

90 meters?

[shell cairn]

yes

[potent falcon]

from where to where

cause adagio 120 can 2 tap pretty fucking far

[shell cairn]

he wasnt using that he was using jade rabbit

[desert shale]

well

[zinc pewter]

Jade rabbit isnt a handcannon

[desert shale]

jade rabbit is THE kill someone from across the map gun

[potent falcon]

and jade rabbit also shoots bricks

[shell cairn]

i meant scout

[hallow needle]

Too late, you gotta answer now

[desert shale]

and jade rabbit also magnets to heads

[acoustic mulch]

https://crucible.report/report/1/4611686018556502787

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent falcon]

yeah, bro's cheating

[acoustic mulch]

one game played

[shell cairn]

doesnt matter he never missed a single shot so

[potent falcon]

3

[potent falcon]

people often exaggerate

so dismiss my skepticism

but yeah, bro's cheating

[rough gazelle]

he has missed accuracy values on his guns

i dont think he was aimbotting or anything

probably just a high skill player who made a new account to smurf

[potent falcon]

might also be ximming

[shell cairn]

most likely zim he looked like he was aim tracking

[rough gazelle]

i havent spoken to the pvp top brass friends i know in a while but isnt zimming completely nonsensical on d2 because of how the sensitivity system works

[tacit hedge]

Wdym 💀

[rough gazelle]

plus youre in pc lobbies

[shell cairn]

idk man i just watched the replay and he didnt miss a single shot

[rough gazelle]

i think it was just someone smurfing

[shell cairn]

okay well if you think its smurfing then every smurfer never misses a single shot then idk what to say

[rough gazelle]

1. destiny 2 guns arent hard to aim
2. their statistics on crucible report literally show that they've missed shots

they'd have 100% accuracy if they didnt

[shell cairn]

not what i saw on replay

[rough gazelle]

send the replay then, if im proven wrong ill shut up

[shell cairn]

im two games in i didnt save it 😭

[sly fiber]

What

Ximming is insane on this game

That's the entire reason smgs are dogshit

[rough gazelle]

this was a WHILE ago, like before the sensitivity changes

i always heard that zenning was better

ill 100% take your word for it

[sly fiber]

Yeah unfortunately the last game i played before i uninstalled was against ximmy neutron who didnt miss a snipe and started in e3 💔

[rough gazelle]

i just started playing ow2 for my pvp fix

[sly fiber]

I've been playing ow val the finals and arc mainly

For pvp

Ow lowkey cooked with the new characters

[rough gazelle]

they're all hella fun

i dont get why they buffed emre like that but other than that its been a really fun sandbox

except vendetta.

[sly fiber]

Yeah i saw that emre buff

I haven't used it yet but he already felt fine so idk

[rough gazelle]

he can 2 burst 250s now

[sly fiber]

Tbf

I think bap can too

Could be wrong on that

[rough gazelle]

yeah bap has always done more damage than emre

the tradeoff was/is that emre can ADS and shoots faster

[shell cairn]

nice kicked for error code bee

[hallow needle]

What did you have for lunch my friend

[sly fiber]

Yeah idk I'll have to play him

[shell cairn]

always fixing stuff that never needs to be fixed

[tacit hedge]

I haven't eaten yet

[rough gazelle]

its not like a pain point on emre

[sly fiber]

Cause I've definitely been hitting two headshot bursts before

Deletes the stupid ass cat

[hallow needle]

Eat something pookie

[rough gazelle]

the only major pain point is that major perk.

that. fucking major perk

good god

[sly fiber]

For 5 seconds he is virtually immortal

[rough gazelle]

genuinely 😭

its just hakaris domain

[sly fiber]

Deadass just turns into hakari

Yep lmao

[rough gazelle]

@hallow needle is the vendetta change noticeable

[sly fiber]

I kinda hope they don't nerf that perk specifically cause it's really fun

[tacit hedge]

No $$$

[sly fiber]

I would prefer they nerf the lifesteal value on the pistol

[hallow needle]

Yeah kinda

[hallow needle]

Aw man

[rough gazelle]

is she still annoying as fuck

[shell cairn]

My lifetime isn’t that bad

Idk why it says trace rifle I’ve never used a trace 😭

[hallow needle]

Kinda as well, her counters can actually duel her now

[rough gazelle]

is this in pve or pvp?

[hardy pasture]

that is a fun question

insane kd for pvp, dogshit kd for pve

[zinc pewter]

what app even is that

[hardy pasture]

I'd guess it's destiny tracker on mobile ?

those icons ring a bell

[shell cairn]

i think its all

but i play pvp more than pve

[rigid lake]

I adore this emblem

[tacit hedge]

I adore you 🫶🫶

[rigid lake]

Thanks twin

[lunar blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317729755117912064/1476363559763185838/I_think.gif

[clever pine]

revenge of the d2gunsmith

[hallow needle]

Me too brother, me too

[lunar blaze]

I'm gonna hook a friend to make our own d2foundry frfr

since apparently we're the last players in the entirety of the game that give a shit about testing exotics, niche builds, weapon rolls and stats, etc

I swear we're the only 2

also ngl for the past 2 months I've been feeling like me and my clan are the last D2 players, everywhere I look at it's a desert lmao

even last week we played master kf

but quit because golgoroth was lowkey just tweaking out and not even looking at gaze holder at all so we wasted time due to inconsistency

[hallow needle]

Holy peak

[zinc pewter]

Dim exists

I really only used foundry for reload times ngl

[lunar blaze]

I'm that guy that uses DIM only to move weapons

what feature are you referring to

[zinc pewter]

Foundry showed how fast something reloaded depending on perks

[ripe sluice]

most people use foundry to search for weapons with a certain perk

[amber tartan]

light.gg does the same thing with the added perk of showing how bad people are at picking good rolls on guns

[ripe sluice]

light.gg makes my eyes vomit with all the ads

[dusty gale]

Yes but it's not as easy to search with

[zinc pewter]

You can do that with dim

[ripe sluice]

can you show me?

[rigid lake]

You gotta open the godroll finder

Oh wait nvm ur talking abt dim

[amber tartan]

yeah i hate it the ui is also kinda shid

[ripe sluice]

never knew that existed, learn something new

[potent falcon]

i only ever use it on pc and i have an adblocker

so no issue

[potent falcon]

also, rolldle

[tacit hedge]

Curltoes the consensus learns even more

Soon will b unstoppable

[ripe sluice]

Jongo was a consensus

[dusk crater]

Why

[prisma glade]

Ik why he got it removed..

Rip

[ripe sluice]

Same reason anyone changes color

[zinc pewter]

(no actually

[obsidian jay]

the fall of jongo

and the adventure of funny peely

wait nvm it was tank johnson

[zinc pewter]

[obsidian jay]

well its not the same reason i changed color 😭

[rotund python]

because he clearly spread misinfo

[pastel kiln]

Did I miss a lore update who is tank Johnson?

[obsidian jay]

iykyk

[bleak jetty]

Nah man, I'm convinced Esoterickk has cheats on

like

what are these fuckers aiming at????

[zinc pewter]

Was gonna say amplified but i see Manacles on

[bleak jetty]

Yeah, he's on Void.

[austere sage]

lucky maybe? would there even be cheats that affect enemy aim

[bleak jetty]

Oh no the "cheats" was a joke.

[austere sage]

ah

lmao

m yb

[bleak jetty]

But throughout the entire video I'm looking at moments I would've died because the enemies would've just ripped me a new one. Straight up aim assist.

[zinc pewter]

Yea lmao

[bleak jetty]

And then I watch his and they actually just lose every brain cell in their body.

[zinc pewter]

Shit happens

[bleak jetty]

On the topic of gms, I guess I'm gonna try and go through on every class. Should have enough time.

[ripe sluice]

And then every subclass

[bleak jetty]

-50 SF gms with Solar?

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21784552

[zinc pewter]

on hunter yea

titan and warlock though

thats why you just dont play hunter

[bleak jetty]

I was referring to Warlock.

I'm sure there's some good ways to go about it, but I haven't touched Solar in solo play in a long time.

[rigid lake]

Speakers sight still goated, and Praxic helps not getting 1shot

[potent falcon]

that or like starfire

[rigid lake]

Depends on the champs (for me at least) but if there are unstops yeah

[zinc pewter]

not for solo

[river stag]

i am using the metro thing and am trying to find a gun to match, i couldn't figure out how to take a screenshot without it being dark, sorry

[dusk crater]

https://tenor.com/view/ty-simpkins-wheres-rose-horror-movie-opening-door-ominous-gif-10962831785687198057

Bros playing evil destiny

[cunning tangle]

evil destiny mentioned‼️

[cunning tangle]

u can put shaders on guns

[dusk crater]

"Thats just normal destiny!"

[river stag]

i have tried so many but they all just apply weird and not good looking

there is often times so little blue i might as well use something else

[rigid lake]

Fashion is the endgame. Gotta have a huge swath of shaders to find the perfect one for each weapon and fashion

Sometimes what you have just doesn’t work and you gotta figure something else out

[cunning tangle]

fatebringer during the month of june

[river stag]

but it just turns black and silver, the butt/handle thingy is the only blue part

[river stag]

i am coming tot his painful conclusion slowly

[rigid lake]

I dont get it

[cunning tangle]

rainbow shader

june is pride month

[dusty gale]

Parts of the shader change the color based upon material type, like something considered "fabric" gets one color while something else considered "metal" it gets a different color

[cunning tangle]

i will say the ghosts of the deep armor for hunter looks amazing with metro shift

[dusty gale]

Figuring out which part changes which material type is decently hard

As far as I'm aware at least

[rigid lake]

Oh i just see a lot of orange

[dusty gale]

Hard to change color within a static image

[cunning tangle]

orange part changes

and look at the grip

[rigid lake]

Here you go

[cunning tangle]

it just cycles thru every color

[rigid lake]

Very blue, very primary

[cunning tangle]

most primary primary

[rigid lake]

What shader is this?

[rigid lake]

John auto rifle

[cunning tangle]

prismatic expanse

it’s from a code

[cunning tangle]

D6T-3JR-CKX

[rigid lake]

:0

Ok claimed

[frail locust]

Isn't that the pride shader?

[dusty gale]

Apart from the four in the Pride Shader Pack, yes

[rigid lake]

My multimach came out

[dusty gale]

Pog

[cunning tangle]

yes

[viscid harness]

Poggers?

[potent falcon]

one of the few good primaries

[viscid harness]

Agreed

[potent falcon]

also, no one cares about flexing kill counts

[viscid harness]

Lol

[potent falcon]

only times kill counts are mentioned is when it's like 10k glaive crucible kills and stuff like that

[frail locust]

Heh

[potent falcon]

my highest kill gun in pve is sunshot at like only 26k or something

[viscid harness]

Fair enough. Sunshot is good also

[viscid harness]

Thrallway or legit? Just curious

[frail locust]

Legit. I don't like things like thrallway, Shuro chi checkpoint or golgy maze farming

[viscid harness]

Thats fair. And impressive tbh that takes time to get that many honestly

[frail locust]

Fav exotic so never leaves my hand really.

[viscid harness]

Same with Outbreak. But the lightsaber with stronghold is goated too

[potent falcon]

i only use those checkpoints for farming catalysts and stuff

[potent falcon]

oh no, not stronhold t*tan again

geniunely horrible most of the time

[potent falcon]

cause most just play blockslop

[frail locust]

If I need kills for a quest or specific weapon type/catalyst the K1 revelation lost sector is my go to.

[potent falcon]

i just use the breakneck checkpoint right before the banner ive been holding for months

[frail locust]

I don't like checkpoint stuff generally.
If I'm entering that type of content it's to do the content.

[amber tartan]

Lightsaber with stronghold 🤤

[zinc pewter]

garbage

[late heron]

Ts frying me

[dusk crater]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-yikes-flight-meme-gif-12822158462297009384

[amber tartan]

Stronghold players logging in to hold one key down for 3 hours straight

[viscid harness]

The build i use for the stronghold and the lightsaber i use the armor set techset so when the bullets reflect back to enemies they get disoriented by the armor perk.

[viscid harness]

Lol. I've been a titan main since D1

I genuinely can't play warlock or hunter since I cant play their styles for combat.

[potent falcon]

ah

so blockslop

[viscid harness]

Breh. That carries me though GMs if I'm the only one left..

[rotund python]

living up to the stereotypes😔

[nocturne ridge]

Is there a stronghold roll for exotic mark?

[potent falcon]

indeed

[nocturne ridge]

I've been trying to get them, but no dice.

[rotund python]

what does this mean

oh

no

no

[potent falcon]

if you are ever the only one left in a gm, your team is shit

[viscid harness]

XD

[potent falcon]

like i am not joking

well unless youre just waiting to revive them maybe

so stronghold titan is a rezbot

but like

[viscid harness]

I mean the conquest this week was sunless cell. And the boss 1 taps so..

[rotund python]

id rather solo than have 2 strongholders

[potent falcon]

the boss does not onetap

[nocturne ridge]

You're also both lucky and unlucky

[rotund python]

sunless that one week was so free on lock

i did like 3 solo runs and fastest was a 14 something

[viscid harness]

He doesn't? Thats odd

[potent falcon]

what modifier was on that week?

[potent falcon]

might if you have like really high fps

[viscid harness]

Oh it was for this week that It came out.

[potent falcon]

if you cap it to 60 it does not onetap im sure

[viscid harness]

The rotation

[rotund python]

arc brawler

[potent falcon]

ah

so that one day