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[zinc pewter]

inquisitor is arc

[desert shale]

oh

my fault

[zinc pewter]

also Sudden Death is an aggressive

[desert shale]

im talking about scav

i didnt even think ab sudden death

[zinc pewter]

oh right scav

[desert shale]

that’s another energy shotgun

[zinc pewter]

forgettable weapon

[desert shale]

forgettable weapon that is currently my main shotty

[zinc pewter]

pvp however

[desert shale]

well duh

[zinc pewter]

checkmate

[tiny dragon]

We get Void shell, Solar shell

Now heard me out

What about 23mm?

[sacred root]

gotta wait one week for this smhhhh

[desert shale]

technically any weapon that uses traditional caliber is a kinetic weapon

as if its anything else then it is propelled by light power

[tiny dragon]

Ouuuu, Kinetic

My favourite

[dusty gale]

No, you don't. You can do another 8 bounties this week on another class

[zinc pewter]

could do it on another class

[tiny dragon]

Guys

Any Kinetic auto rifle with high ass rpm?

[dusty gale]

HIghest is 720

[tiny dragon]

Yeah that's what I need

Any of them with it?

[dusty gale]

Chroma Rush, Eidolon Ally, Steelfeather Repeater, Foregone Conclusion, Guiding Star, Necrochasm, Quicksilver Storm, Home Again, Husk of the Pit

[zinc pewter]

necrochasm is fastest

iirc it goes to 900rpm after a kill

[frail locust]

Ye

[tiny dragon]

Now hear me out

The slowest?

[zinc pewter]

high impact frames

actually, choir of one

[frail locust]

Lodbrok C

Any hakke auto

Sweet business on trigger pull

Cerberus+1

Suros regime alt fire.

[grave patio]

now they lobotomized him to come back to the same place everytime 😢

[clever pine]

his will is not his own

[tiny dragon]

How they manage to lobotomize an agent of literal cosmos being?

[spice hatch]

big spike

also Xur himself isn't a cosmic being

He's just a Jovian

[steady fulcrum]

Xur was like just a dude, Orin on the other hand

[spice hatch]

the nine HAS altered him some what

[steady fulcrum]

They broke my mans back

Smh

[spice hatch]

that was a titan actually

[steady fulcrum]

We would never

[spice hatch]

iirc the titan got so scared by his appearance they reacted on instinct and broke his spine

WAIT IT WAS ORIN SPECIFICALLY

I remember now

[tiny dragon]

Nah

a really

Really

BIG SPIKE

[spice hatch]

yeah Orin met him in a cave on the moon and misinterpreted what he was saying as a threat, so she crushed his windpipe and broke his back with her war hammer

which is why he sounds like that too

[tiny dragon]

Everyone in Destiny see Xur like a ghost

Even though

It's actually really the case

[spice hatch]

I wouldn't say a ghost

he's just creepy

because of the... face tentacles

and the whole Nine thing

[tiny dragon]

No wonder he stay away from Vanguard war room anytime he spawn in the tower

Zavala refuse to see him in his office

And also the Red Death selling thing

[steady fulcrum]

I mean to be fair he is a bit of a weirdo

[tiny dragon]

Agree, he always sounding like he try to get us to be the servant of the Nine

[steady fulcrum]

His will is not is own!!

He brings gifts of the Nine!!!

[tiny dragon]

I better take something from LeBron James than that

Thank you

[clever pine]

and then they became colleagues, awkward

[spice hatch]

I'm pretty sure it was meant to be her "interview" for the job

[clever pine]

oh wow, even worse

[spice hatch]

breaking the hr employee's back to present my strength to the manager in order to get hired

[mystic saddle]

Orins will will be

soon™

[zinc pewter]

hi @jolly mesa

[clever pine]

Hello Mario

[zinc pewter]

i hate fireteam finder so much

💀

[steady fulcrum]

John Glaive

[mystic saddle]

he judging the loadout

im judging the drip

[zinc pewter]

this drip is iconic

i made it back in Haunted for my original consecration build

[steady fulcrum]

Mans walking around in his mf jeans

[mystic saddle]

bro got off his 9-5 n decided to glaive some mfs

[steady fulcrum]

Look at the shoes
That aint 9-5 budget

[mystic saddle]

i always wished that skull head was slightly bigger

its like so small in contrast to 95% of titans bulky ass armour

[steady fulcrum]

Yeah

I dont even have that armor

I didnt play enough of the funny dread season to get the season pass armor lmfao

[mystic saddle]

itll come back eventually

in EV

[steady fulcrum]

Surely

[mystic saddle]

wot season was last

arrivals?

i think

[steady fulcrum]

What no

WQ year

Oh wait

[zinc pewter]

unreal

[steady fulcrum]

You mean to come to EV

[mystic saddle]

yea

[steady fulcrum]

Ye no clue on that front

[steady fulcrum]

They should have just stuck with keeping that set on the Dungeon so I could still farm it out now

But they just had to switch it up

[mystic saddle]

yea lmao it was so obvious they switched it

[steady fulcrum]

[mystic saddle]

yea sure bud a hakke set for a red underworld dungeon

fooled me

[steady fulcrum]

Its even more hilarious when you remember they made the Veist set season pass again for Seraph

Its just that one season where they swapped

[mystic saddle]

yea exactly lol

[steady fulcrum]

One day ill stop confusing Worthy and Seraph

Funky ass Rasputin seasons

Tbf one was utter dogshit and the other was one of the best seasons we ever got

[mystic saddle]

its funny

i cant explain it but

worthy was one of my most played seasons

idk how

[steady fulcrum]

Worthy is when I started playing the game

Towards the end of it

Few weeks after I started the Felwinters quest rolled around

With the funky door

[mystic saddle]

i dont remember the last time i was 200+ rank in SP

lemme check

[steady fulcrum]

My most played seasons were Arrivals, Chose and Splicer iirc

Or Lost

Insane that I somehow hit +100 season rank on Worthy

[mystic saddle]

damn

[steady fulcrum]

Lost 304

[mystic saddle]

i didnt know i played that much wish

[spice hatch]

lost is my longest because i was just starting out

[steady fulcrum]

I took a fat break basically the entire Lightfall year long

[mystic saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-d2-get-away-shoo-disappear-gif-13698062733663561488

[steady fulcrum]

Partly cause I was burned out, partly cause my old pc was giving in

[mystic saddle]

deep makes sense

shit was ass

[steady fulcrum]

I think Deep was decent

[mystic saddle]

i also went to greece 2 months for it lmaoo

[steady fulcrum]

Not the best but not the worst either

Still more content than mf Arrivals thats for sure

[mystic saddle]

arrivals was good

introduced umbrals

pre nerf ruinous

my beloved

also proph

[steady fulcrum]

Arrivals lives in nostalgia because back then I actually had fun mindlessly grinding the contact event for hours on end

But if you really put it into perspective it was barely as much content as a event these days

[mystic saddle]

i dont blame them rly

they gave us a free dungeon

when they didnt have to

[steady fulcrum]

The weekly story was just the same 3 missions on a rotator with some cryptic ass dialogue at the end

[steady fulcrum]

That is true

But if you think about it everything else was kinda meh

Contact was only good cause it was piss fucking easy

And it had the ball dupe so you could instantly turn it to heroic

And Umbrals were neat cause they were new and as a low end player you could very easily farm exotics with it

[mystic saddle]

alex

wot happened in witch

lmaooo

bro forgor

[steady fulcrum]

I didnt play Witch

But it had hive Eris

[spice hatch]

witch wasn't a bad season by any means imo

[mystic saddle]

damn u missed dawn

twas good

[spice hatch]

but I'm a sucker for hive stories

[mystic saddle]

i mean

idk anyone who hates hive

theyve carried this franchise

xivu one day

[steady fulcrum]

Yup, got in too late for that one

[mystic saddle]

did u at least pick up the armour when it was in ev

[steady fulcrum]

Which one

[mystic saddle]

dawn

like when it came back

[zinc pewter]

i just did 1 mil more than the second highest damage

[steady fulcrum]

This?

[zinc pewter]

while using winterbite

[steady fulcrum]

Shit looks kinda ass ngl

The other set from dawn is fire tho

[mystic saddle]

im gonna pretend i aint see that

[steady fulcrum]

I was trying to look for a pic of my old Titan cause I used the helmet from that set and found this old ass meme I made instead

Remember what we lost

[cinder owl]

me when titans couldnt out move everyone in pve

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-tongue-sticking-out-peace-sign-showtime-gif-26004815

[steady fulcrum]

I dont give a fuck about pvp Smatt

Split the sandboxes idc

Just gimme my pre nerf shouldercharge in pve back

Barely anyone ever used it there to begin with it didnt need the additional nerf

[cinder owl]

Wtf is this

[rotund python]

maccas app

call themselves maccas

icl idk why

[cinder owl]

Nah australian languace actually have poisoned the net

[rotund python]

😭

how about this

[cinder owl]

That supposed to be burger king

[spice hatch]

yes

[cinder owl]

Man what

[rotund python]

😭

[tiny dragon]

Men Jack is hungry

Give him dirt

I mean

Anything

But food

I MEAN-

[spice hatch]

twas a copyright issue. there was already a restaurant called burger king down here

[ionic jetty]

little family owned place that American Burger King tried to sue for the name

or something to that effect

[prisma glade]

Maybe i should have seen this coming

[zinc pewter]

aint that the burger king logo

[zinc pewter]

oh that bug is still a thing

awesome

[ionic jetty]

jongo isn't beating the d2player reading allegations

[zinc pewter]

hi

i didnt read anything

i just saw the image

[rotund python]

wait

what is it called in nz

[zinc pewter]

burger king?

[rotund python]

bro what

[steady fulcrum]

Tbf this server is the perfect example that this is indeed a thing

[rotund python]

i thought it was hungry jacks

[rotund python]

looks worse

ignoring the goofy ass name for aus

[zinc pewter]

ah apparently the reason its called Hungry Jacks is because of a small popup shop that already has the trademark of Burger King in Australia

i didnt google it, my australian friend just told me

[steady fulcrum]

This aint fastfood-media

to #☀️off-topic-discussion with all of you

Sho

[ionic jetty]

yeah i did

[steady fulcrum]

[rotund python]

proof

[zinc pewter]

nah im in vc with the one and only Dan D Rising

[woeful pasture]

Phalanx skating isnt rea-

[clever pine]

that's a wizard

[subtle thunder]

Bad day to go to the tower

[vale void]

Ppl actually use local chat

[subtle thunder]

My first time ever seeing conversations in it

[vale void]

I do wish we had a global chat

Like in other games

But bungie is too non social

[subtle thunder]

Fireteam finder is enough

[tiny dragon]

I wish I never stuck in Asia server

[vale void]

Thats isnt the main purpose for a global chat

[tiny dragon]

Asia server chat is empty as damn

[subtle thunder]

It would be very toxic most likely

[vale void]

So

[subtle thunder]

So what’s the point

[vale void]

That doesn't mean a social game shouldn't have basic social features

[subtle thunder]

Social Sam right here

[hybrid anchor]

alright

[vale void]

The Internet is toxic

[tiny dragon]

Anyway the last guy is real one for that

[hybrid anchor]

im only reinstalling destiny again to admire it in the tower

[subtle thunder]

Twas me

[vale void]

No amount of moderation will ever change that

[hybrid anchor]

too bad i had to misspell plagiarism to fit the character limit

[subtle thunder]

Gooble gotta go now that I got a name change

[steady fulcrum]

;data

[cinder flame]

Destiny 2 Informational Spreadsheets
The Destiny 2 Data Compendium • Here's a spreadsheet that contains information on Weapon Perks, Armor Mods, Abilities, and more!

Destiny 2 Damage Stacking Guide • You can check out Court's information spreadsheets, containing guides for Damage Stacking, Combatant Classification, and more!

Destiny 2 Exotic Availability List • This spreadsheet lists all exotics in the game and how to obtain each of them. It also denotes if the exotic is free to play or not as well as some more useful info.

Destiny 2 Monument to Lost Lights Guide • This is a spreadsheet aimed at guiding new players on which exotics to pick from the monument to lost lights.

Destiny 2: Boss Damage • A highly useful spreadsheet with a huge amount of information on the damage of certain abilities, weapons, armour, loadouts etc as well as each boss in the game.

[steady fulcrum]

3rd link

[long flume]

so i lost a dare
and now im stuck with this username

[clever pine]

i'm sure you did

[gilded crypt]

Is this a mistake??

Because it suppose to be free but want me to pay for it

I'm lost rn

[clever pine]

what's supposed to be free

[alpine bronze]

Final shape I think

[clever pine]

says purchased though

[alpine bronze]

Yeah idk

@gilded crypt Remember to restore licenses

[jolly mesa]

😁

[steady fulcrum]

Ayo its Spooks2000

Creators of videos such as "I Harassed Everyone from the Skies with Sweet Business: Destiny 2 Titan Build"

[zinc pewter]

?

[gilded crypt]

No the legacy collection

[zinc pewter]

do you have Playstation+ Extra?

[gilded crypt]

Yes

Premium I have

[zinc pewter]

have you tried going to the store page on your console to claim it?

[gilded crypt]

Yup

Samething

[light walrus]

shirt is bought just gotta wait till september onwards

[steady fulcrum]

Whats that

[light walrus]

the moments of triumph 2024 shirt

[steady fulcrum]

Ah

[light walrus]

i added the personalisation text for it so just gotta wait awhile now

[steady fulcrum]

But yeah I know the feeling
I impulse bought the EoF collectors edition lmao

Shit hopefully gonna arrive next month

[light walrus]

the emblem is quite sick though

[light walrus]

for your collectors edition stuff?

[steady fulcrum]

Yup

[smoky eagle]

i dont ever play hunter really, but holy shit i almost have triple 100 on this character

eye bleed warning, 0 drip

[clever pine]

that's respectable drip

idk what that says about you or me

[smoky eagle]

well..

this is my titan

which is my main

this transmog i'm personally proud of cause i did it myself lol

my hunter im 99% sure is my least played character

[fading crown]

Just if all that resilience was intellect

You’d be set for the conversion

[smoky eagle]

oh yeah, lol

honestly, i have no problem farming armour once more

[fading crown]

Ya I’m spending the next month farming mobility armor on titan and lock

[smoky eagle]

fair, fair

i dont think im going to bother farming to prep, tbh

just send it blind and see how it goes

[fading crown]

If I wasn’t doing day 1 raid I wouldn’t bother but I want to get that weapons stat as high as I can

[smoky eagle]

I see, yeah that's fair then

tbh im not 100% sure im even buying EoF yet

looks kinda promising, but the last time i pre-ordered an annual bundle it was lightfall so..

[fading crown]

I’ve pre ordered every deluxe edition expansion that’s ever released and while some have been mid and some have been great I’ve never regretted it lol

[smoky eagle]

fair play, i have my own money now to pay for these so im a bit more apprehensive

[edgy badger]

superiorsektor has been banned!

[smoky eagle]

lmao?

[clever pine]

missed the ban award

[dusty gale]

new server emote idea?

or do we just snail them?

[clever pine]

no i get the award

i missed it

[distant bolt]

WWW

[silk fjord]

now preorder year of prophecy

[gentle sable]

me and some friends did an LFG kings fall using the tower local chat

[cursive chasm]

He copied Ikora

[jade lance]

I love how the shadow from his fringe is still there

[alpine bronze]

Oh jt is a scam
@steady fulcrum come, you yes

[light walrus]

Buzz cut crow looks like a normal person fr

[tiny dragon]

I've been dissing his haircut for a long time

I'm giggling looking at this

[tulip scroll]

dawg

[zinc pewter]

There's so much wrong with this

The fusion, lmg, exotic armor, subclass, the fact they have double 100s using that

The +20 artifact power 😭

[tulip scroll]

like how do you reach 2040 while being this clueless

[steady fulcrum]

How do you know they're clueless

Bro might just be very committed to the bit

[unborn silo]

is a gif of Rohan count as destiny media

[jade lance]

Depends

Is it Rohan the character from Destiny or Rohan the place from Lord of the Rings?

[unborn silo]

1st one as I have no idea what the second is

[jade lance]

Or Rohan the baby from Legend of Korra

[unborn silo]

idk that one either

[jade lance]

W h a t

[unborn silo]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-lightfall-rohan-nimbus-gif-10873781857844984305

is this fine or too memey

[unborn silo]

I'm only into TES and Warhammer for fantasy sorry <\3

[jade lance]

Memes are good here dw

This is for all manners of Destiny media

In game screenshots, art, memes, etc.

[unborn silo]

hurray

[zinc pewter]

just got sent an unfortunate clip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196375611506167828/1382351867446558801/Destiny_2_2024-07-27_22-52-03_-_Trim.mp4?ex=684b7fc0&is=684a2e40&hm=7ea534fe7571c5cdebe8369f244414e4efaf291a02a73441c8bb3fb8c3676dbd&

its so old

[gilded crypt]

What to do I restore license to the game and still needs to pay

[limpid hearth]

were you sharing account with someone who had the expansions and had that account set to primary

[gilded crypt]

That's on ps4 yea

I'm on 5

It's free with extra ps+

[zinc pewter]

have you tried launching the game and seeing if you have access to the content

[gilded crypt]

Yup

I don't own it

[limpid hearth]

silly question but did you buy ps plus extra for yourself or accidentally for a different account

[gilded crypt]

For myself

[zinc pewter]

are you sure you actually bought extra and not the regular version

youre the only person ive seen who has this issue

[tardy hearth]

this is what destiny has come to

[long flume]

"do not take heavy without me present"

bruh i just had to laugh

[zinc pewter]

💀

[tardy hearth]

i found out what he looks like

https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401

[desert shale]

what is this from

[zinc pewter]

breach executable

[desert shale]

oh

damn ive never read that boss name

kinda cool sounding tbf

[floral ether]

breach executable in the biggest of 25s

🥀

[zinc pewter]

soag

[rough gazelle]

we entering a new dlc zawg

we gotta move on to things like

idk raids

[potent wasp]

rate the roll

[silk fjord]

is it?

usually says so on the store page

[dusty gale]

Legacy Collection is free with PS+ Extra

[zinc pewter]

it is, but i think they just have regular ps+

[limpid hearth]

wall

[dusty gale]

What in the spotify lyrics is this?

[zinc pewter]

destiny reference...

references*

[chrome current]

i dont get whats wrong that happened

[zinc pewter]

look at the very handsome peregrine titan to the left

[chrome current]

okay thats actually hilarious ☠️ captain bart with the assist

[cinder owl]

always the supress slam attack

💀

[smoky eagle]

this weapon probably sucks now, but it's still my favourite HC

[steady fulcrum]

Ay man I respect any True Prophecy I see

I had one as my main pvp gun back in the day too

[smoky eagle]

this used to be my favourite roll ever

[steady fulcrum]

overflow elemental capacitor

[smoky eagle]

honestly, it still holds up

kinda..

[steady fulcrum]

This was before arc 3.0 so inertia override was still a thing

With elemental the thing had infinite handling so id just insta swap to my shotgun when I saw green ammo, slide for the reload on my sg and the overflow proc on the hc so I had like what 15 shots in the mag

Insta swap back cause of the handling and also because of inertia's damage buff I got like 4 seconds of 2taps

And this was for every damn ammo brick that was sitting on the ground

[smoky eagle]

goddamn

i think this roll i have used to have 2 tap potential#

[steady fulcrum]

Not on its own

You always needed some kind of damage buff iirc

[smoky eagle]

oh well, at least i enjoyed pvp to some extent back then

[turbid sable]

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FixupX · Jun 12, 2025, 1:51 PM

SO CUTE

[zinc pewter]

Oh it's numskull

Was gonna say the shipping costs would be abysmal

[zinc pewter]

Did you see my shipping price from bungie

[tiny dragon]

Imagine, Savathun in plushie form said this

"Ohh so this is the Guardians face? I thought I would see a fierce warrior, but now what Infront of my eyes is a miserable face of a man/woman"

[flint needle]

uhhhhhhh

I have a fond memories engram on this warlock from like

2018

[dusty gale]

what the

[languid arrow]

open it

[flint needle]

heeelll no

I'm keepin it for funnies

moving all my shit from my main warlock to this one so I can keep it

[languid arrow]

you have two warlocks

[flint needle]

deleted one I'm making a titan

[pseudo lily]

emote broke but it's still lore accurate if u think about it

[turbid sable]

No i did not

[dusty gale]

@uncut jay Here's the Ada-1 screenshot. It says "Focus previously discovered Exotics..." They will not be able to earn new ones through this system.

[uncut jay]

my proudest achievement

[dusty gale]

Yeah, exactly, all of them

Mine's only 2,714. I thought I caught a lot more than that. Huuh

[uncut jay]

I was incredibly unlucky with my legendary fish drops

I was fishing until the last week of Lightfall's year

[dusty gale]

Some of these triumphs have to be bugged. They're showing that I never caught any of some fish when I know I did because I made my own tracker in google sheets

[quaint forum]

Do we think the server is dead?

[uncut jay]

what server is that?

[dusty gale]

I still see peoplee with colored names so no

[quaint forum]

It's an old one with me and my friends that got me into destiny

They played for like 3 months and then dipped

[uncut jay]

oof, been a member of many dead & gone servers

RIP to your crew, hope you got an active group now

[wide lake]

They peaked at Christmas lol

[snow umbra]

Random Nether box

[zinc pewter]

@turbid sable

[turbid sable]

Holy hell

[distant ledge]

blud

[alpine bronze]

Tragic

[jade lance]

There goes flawless!

[round torrent]

He does that. After u played that dungeon enough u just memorize its patterns lol

[woeful pasture]

pve rose is crazy

[zinc pewter]

Is that a pvp loadout 😭

[zinc pewter]

Looks like Mindbenders aswell

[woeful pasture]

it is

the famouns "bring whatever but have queenbreaker" loadout

[woven hull]

He got combo blow with melee dodge on

It's fine

[tiny dragon]

"Gentlemen, charge!"

[distant ledge]

chillll, it’s the punch and dodge build

[distant ledge]

it works so well

[distant ledge]

noooo

[woeful pasture]

if it works it works

[distant ledge]

idk why i was using rose, i usually use peacebond since i have a decent roll

is mindbenders trash tho or nah?

[zinc pewter]

It is

[distant ledge]

what’s a good replacement

[zinc pewter]

Ikelos shotgun, basso ostinato, diecide

Sudden death ig

[distant ledge]

what would u use

[desert shale]

sudden death bc it is by far the easiest to get out of those 4

[zinc pewter]

ikelos shotgun, but its harder to get

[desert shale]

take the 12p trench agg frame pill jongo

[zinc pewter]

no

it feels so slow to use

[distant ledge]

is peacebond trash too?

[zinc pewter]

nah thats decent

but depends on the roll

[desert shale]

fun in pvp

[distant ledge]

i got head stone with frenzy on it

[zinc pewter]

yea thats good

[distant ledge]

bet

[distant ledge]

doesn’t it only drop from seraphs shield

or am i tripping

[desert shale]

ikelos does yeah

[distant ledge]

i got like 5 sudden deaths chilling in my vault

all trash rolls

[desert shale]

it is very easy to farm

[zinc pewter]

its the worst frame for 12p because of the slow ass handling and iirc the ammo

but everyone is excited about it because of the 12p + trench combo it can get

[desert shale]

and also because its currently the easiest energy 12p to get

[limpid hearth]

in theory (thinking about it in my head) it would be fairly strong

[distant ledge]

it indeed does sound strong

[zinc pewter]

it would be, but it really isnt

[distant ledge]

then you fully suggest that ikelos is better

[desert shale]

it is objectively stronger perk wise than the other options but it falls behind in stats and fire rate to the point where even though it technically IS better, it FEELS worse

[zinc pewter]

better frame, better reserves, better handling

[desert shale]

its actually pretty alright if you proc agg frame before using it though

[zinc pewter]

on yea, you also dont have to manually reload it unlike Sudden Death

[distant ledge]

duality of men

😭😭

[desert shale]

theres also the origin trait at hand

gravity well has come in handy more times than i expected to

[distant ledge]

yeah the one i have has trash rolls, 2 of them have envious assassin with opening shot

[desert shale]

agsin

very easy to farm

even has an adept version that can help make up for those shortcomings

[zinc pewter]

just do full Eternity farms for like, 10 drops per clear, also make sure to attune to it at the emissary

[desert shale]

i also learned today u can get the armor on explore

genuinely changed everything for me

[distant ledge]

oh so just run it on explorer?

[zinc pewter]

no

explore doesnt drop nearly as much loot as eternity/ultimatum

[distant ledge]

eternity is lowkey easy but i’m not stacked enough for ultimatum

anyway edge of fate mini sunset makes this all irrelevant soon though

[zinc pewter]

it doesnt

[distant ledge]

actually?

[zinc pewter]

yea

tier 3 weapons are still perfectly good

[zinc pewter]

all you miss out on is enhanceable barrel mag and origin trait

[distant ledge]

oh i didn’t know they’d start out at tier 3

yeah which won’t hurt you too much or at all in the grand scheme of things

along with a good roll tier 3’s can still keep your build in a great spot

[errant tusk]

How do i get this massage out of the way

I tried going to my inventory but theres nothing there

[steady fulcrum]

Tried the subclass page too?

Usually when following the steps said tooltip details it goes away

[errant tusk]

How do i get there (im new)

[steady fulcrum]

You open your inventory and in the top left ish corner (above your gun) theres a colored symbol
That is your subclass

Subclasses relate to your abilities such as grenade, meele and ult

@errant tusk

The icon will look different depending on what subclass you are actually on

[errant tusk]

Ohhh

Thanks

[zinc pewter]

found a golden clip

[steady fulcrum]

Who the hell

[zinc pewter]

khrupt 😭

[steady fulcrum]

Lmfao

For a sec I thought it was Tay but idk brits ig

[spark jetty]

Siva guardian guy

[ionic jetty]

Yeah that's not corrupted he's just dead

SIVA puppeteering the corpse of Iron Lords

[wraith sentinel]

Was this dude anyone notable or just some random iron lord

[ionic jetty]

Felwinter, Gheleon, and Jolder, I believe

They were all quite notable, Felwinter especially

[steady fulcrum]

Mr daddy issues

[ionic jetty]

To be fair they were extremely legitimate issues

[light walrus]

Isn't that crow?

[ionic jetty]

Nnno

[steady fulcrum]

?

What

[wraith sentinel]

Trash ahh vanguard

[ionic jetty]

We do not know the father of Uldren/Crow

So no

[light walrus]

Crow always seems to have smth going on

[ionic jetty]

That isn't one of them

[tiny dragon]

More like trash ahh haircut

[light walrus]

"I like crow's haircut"

[wraith sentinel]

Bro needa just get the zavala and ikora special

[ionic jetty]

Ikora shaves. Zavala... I think he's just regular bald.

[light walrus]

He finna be the new zavala

[tiny dragon]

I mean, he looks naturally bald tho

[ionic jetty]

That's what I mean.

[tiny dragon]

Shiny head

It could make beacon

[light walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-bald-head-shiny-bald-head-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-4830356535569685568

[wraith sentinel]

Na his ahh was balding and he constantly shaves so it seems as if he’s naturally bald

[light walrus]

Probs finna be removed but for funnies

[tiny dragon]

I think it's just he drank too much bourbon

[wraith sentinel]

Probably smokes a whole pack of Marlboros after as well

[tiny dragon]

Nha nah

A whole box

Anyway I think we need to convince Crow to get low taper fade

[spice hatch]

stress induced probably

[wraith sentinel]

Must be stressful standing at the tower doing nothing 🔥🔥

[tiny dragon]

Hey, atleast he keep an eye on the city

But he must witness tho CityTube streamers doing nonsense on stream from their windows

So yeah

Stress

[zinc pewter]

wasnt the woman also dead at the end of it

idk her name

[ionic jetty]

Jolder

[zinc pewter]

ah

[alpine bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-rise-of-iron-gaming-gif-5897753

And yes

[icy forum]

wtf

how is this even possible

[uncut jay]

Fragment -10 etc

[steady fulcrum]

Shit luck + that yeah

[icy forum]

ah facet of purpose

crazy

hunters reaaally dont like their recovery huh

[steady fulcrum]

[silk temple]

It's pretty useless

[steady fulcrum]

Heal via punch

[icy forum]

how

[uncut jay]

One of the main reasons I'm a huge fan of the new stat system is that you can get away with not running half the stats due to buildcrafting

[austere sage]

i like that none of the stats feel... bad?

some feel better sure

[uncut jay]

Hunters don't need Strength because they have a dodge and they don't need Mobility because of class ability boosts like slow dodging

[austere sage]

but it aint like current stats where they're pretty bad

[steady fulcrum]

Pretty sure combo blow heals you full

[uncut jay]

Nope, chunk HP

[steady fulcrum]

Heal nontheless

Also am I reading this wrong or does the health you get decrease as you stack it up

[uncut jay]

Correct

[steady fulcrum]

Thats odd

[uncut jay]

Suppose it's a balancing thing

[steady fulcrum]

So if you want to use it as a heal you want to wait for it to run out every time

Thats a bit shit design innit

[uncut jay]

I mean if you're rolling through enough adds you still get some heals but you can also grab orbs for heals

[steady fulcrum]

Thats not really the point im making

[uncut jay]

and there's also Facet of Blessing

[steady fulcrum]

I know well that there are alternatives here

But youre being punished for using combo blow the intended way

In this particular aspect at least

[tiny dragon]

Another Yuri Sokolov

That's a new thing he make, Ana asked him what was it, he said it was a "Core"

Well, considering it was made by Yuri, so Zavala was concerned about where he gonna put that thing in

Why? Because anytime he does fun with technology, it doesn't end well, anytime Yuri brings his new creation anywhere, I bet you're gonna see the same place burn on fire with several towers janitor trying to extinguish the flame

Yet he's the one that actually carrying Vanguard technology management

[floral ether]

The “Core” looks like a soccer ball

[chrome current]

didnt know exotic engrams could drop

[clever pine]

goes to show just how much they've devalued exotic engrams

[tiny dragon]

I realize, in the Final Shape

While the other were focusing on the Pyramid ship and the Pale Heart

Zavala, on the other side, was facing his damn demons of his dead family

[tiny dragon]

Dude I though Exotic engram isn't gonna drop anymore

[clever pine]

they still drop at their normal rate

[tiny dragon]

I guess it just my lucks

[clever pine]

no it's the normal exotic engram drop rate

[tiny dragon]

Don't try me

I know it already

[clever pine]

[tiny dragon]

Anyway

[clever pine]

rare thing doesn't drop
ugh it must just be my luck, frick my chungus life

[fringe heron]

went into trials with a 1.06 kd and muted all chats feeling good

I lost the two games i did

[clever pine]

the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on

[desert shale]

used to be the only way u got em

[chrome current]

sounds fun

[dusty gale]

@noble zinc 2025 bounty I believe

[desert shale]

it was

[noble zinc]

it actually looks so cool

[quaint forum]

perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[alpine bronze]

Hmmmm

[wide lake]

I can’t wait for my yearly recap when I’ll have 0% gambit

[proven shuttle]

SALVATIONS EDGE FULL SKIP FINALLY

2 HOURS OF SUFFERING

[proven shuttle]

wait hes bald?

[green rapids]

we all ran alethonym forbearance rain of fire and it was goofy

[silk sinew]

I had verity attuned...

[tulip scroll]

im getting EVERY cosmetic

[tulip scroll]

its not guaranteed to have your attuned one

[dusty gale]

Numerically impossible

[tulip scroll]

i think its like 50%

[tulip scroll]

?

[dusty gale]

Unless I'm doing the math wrong, you cannot get enough engrams before the event ends to get all the items possible

[silk sinew]

I know, but it's about getting a groll instead of roll I searched for

[dusty gale]

It ultimately depends on how the engrams are capped. To me, they sound like they are account wide, which limits you to 27 possible engrams. This is not enough to get everything, which I will not explain further because leaks :) If it is not capped account wide, you will have enough to get everything.

[desert shale]

how?

[dusty gale]

Math

[desert shale]

theres 40 cosmetics

that you can get from the engrams

[tulip scroll]

Do we have reason to think that they're capped at all?

[dusty gale]

"up to 20 during Rite of the Nine" and "players will be awarded one additional Nonary Engram each day"

[tulip scroll]

I dont see why they would be

[desert shale]

oh up to 20

i see

i didnt know that

[tulip scroll]

Wait thats so lame

[dusty gale]

Again, they don't state if it's account wide or character wide or class wide

[tulip scroll]

Its fine tho I just want all the finishers

[dusty gale]

• Starting July 1, players may purchase Nonary Engrams using 350 Nonary Manifolds at The Emissary (up to 20 during Rite of the Nine).
• Starting July 8, players will be awarded one additional Nonary Engram each day, just for signing in. Just be sure to claim it from The Emissary.

If it's account wide, it adds to 27. If the second part is per character, you can get 41, which is enough to cover everything

[tulip scroll]

"up to 20 during Rite of the Nine" kinda implies that they'll be available in the future tho so there's hope

[desert shale]

either way you need 9,450 to get 27

so if it is 27 then youre good to go

[tulip scroll]

yay

I wanted to hit 9999 but the lowest amount they drop in is 30 & it doesnt let you pick them up if you cant pick them all up

its so weird

[dusty gale]

7000 to get 20. The other 7 are free

[desert shale]

oh

my fault

[sand ginkgo]

Im curious if it has dupe protection

[dusty gale]

It does

[sand ginkgo]

Ooooh

[sage copper]

it’s uh

[uncut jay]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GP1BKTEbwAAJUMO?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[sage copper]

I literally just went to eternal warrior and went “it only buffs fists of havoc”

I then read down and went

“OOOOH”

[grave patio]

yummers

[zinc pewter]

Rolling Storm and on palindrome 😭

Cut the gun some slack, it's already terrible as is

[uncut jay]

It feels good

Explosive Payload/Rolling Storm

[zinc pewter]

Rolling Storm ain't a good perk

At least use MOA for extra damage

[zinc pewter]

Bro blocked me because I shard reacted a bad roll, crazy

[uncut jay]

I blocked you for reacting to my messages constantly

Just obnoxious

you're alright Fry

🫃🏼

[zinc pewter]

A single react

[agile ridge]

like you wouldn’t have the same reaction in #💎shard-it-keep-it

[desert shale]

arent u the same guy who kicks people from your gm groups if they use getaway artists

[uncut jay]

Yes, proudly

[agile ridge]

isn’t palindrome more better for pvp?

[uncut jay]

Palindrome feels good and Bolt Charge is fun

[agile ridge]

wuh

[zinc pewter]

Yea but even then so many other hcs just do better

[desert shale]

https://tenor.com/view/oaklinks-speed-oak-ishowspeed-speed-laughing-gif-4441577011703774055

[agile ridge]

opinion and opinion

[uncut jay]

Yeah people tend to have those

[zinc pewter]

💀

[agile ridge]

alrighty

customer is always right in terms of taste

[zinc pewter]

I would understand if it's dawn chorus, polaris, wicked implement or strongholds. But Getaway? 💀

[agile ridge]

thinking it makes people lazy?

[uncut jay]

Getaways are the clean sign of a noob

[agile ridge]

on arc maybe understandable to ask people to change

[zinc pewter]

You kinda have to be close to enemies for bleak watcher to do anything

[desert shale]

no they kick them because its "bad"

[zinc pewter]

Not at all

[agile ridge]

no tf?

[dusty gale]

Not how this game works

[zinc pewter]

A good build is a good build

[mystic saddle]

why would u do that

[uncut jay]

The build that Getaway Artists sit on top of is very very good.
Getaways are literally useless. Use that good build with a usable exotic.

[zinc pewter]

💀

[mystic saddle]

how is getaway usless

[uncut jay]

Arc Souls do pitiful damage

[zinc pewter]

2 for 1 special on your grenade and a stronger arc soul

[agile ridge]

60% sure this is bait

[desert shale]

this conversation again

[mystic saddle]

he doesnt know chat

[dusty gale]

I'm so tempted to try to like clear a gm with pretty much nothing but getaway's and post it

[uncut jay]

Amplified Arc Souls are just as useless

[zinc pewter]

Which iirc 3 of those empowered arc souls = 1 tcrash worth of damage

[desert shale]

also, amplify gives you damage resistance

[zinc pewter]

So yea, definitely useless

[mystic saddle]

u also gain two turrets for doing nothing

[desert shale]

and a grenade recharge scalar iirc

[uncut jay]

You still have Bleak Watchers without Getaways

So 1 turret vs 1 turret and a "turret"

[zinc pewter]

Nah they removed that if you have devour active

[mystic saddle]

delusional-media

[desert shale]

ah

[zinc pewter]

Or at least scaled it down a bunch

[desert shale]

still goated though

[agile ridge]

two turrets helping with transcendence

ftv for survival and nade regen

[zinc pewter]

1 turret vs 2 turrets for the same action

[prisma glade]

It’s a great exotic

[uncut jay]

I'm a Warlock main, I've given Getaways the benefit of the doubt and tried them plenty. Felt pointless running it. It was my Bleak Watcher & Devour doing all the work

[mystic saddle]

u arent

[zinc pewter]

For prismatic***

[mystic saddle]

no warlock main calls getaway usless

[uncut jay]

almost 7k hours, 4 months of playtime of that Warlock

[zinc pewter]

Holy this guy has nothing but bad takes 😭

[uncut jay]

idk how much more main you can get

[agile ridge]

only in d2 will someone want to do more work than needed

[uncut jay]

Getaways are less work but they're useless man

[agile ridge]

how so

[zinc pewter]

They arent

[uncut jay]

Literally dogwater damage

[zinc pewter]

Because arc souls don't do anything!!!

[uncut jay]

Unless Getaways got a secret 300% buff I wasn't informed about

[agile ridge]

good thing you have guns as well

[mystic saddle]

no way

[uncut jay]

yeah I could have my guns and a good exotic though, so I choose that

[zinc pewter]

I literally just said 3 empowered arc souls deals damage comparable to tcrash??? How is that bad damage

[agile ridge]

they’re there to proc devour and get light and dark energy

both granting more energy with the right fragments

damage as well

[uncut jay]

Devour is the easiest thing in the world to proc, and there's no shortage of light & dark energy man

[agile ridge]

freeze and amp too

[mystic saddle]

arc souls are also a very good day 1 option

[uncut jay]

freeze is from bleak watcher 🤨 not arc soul

[mystic saddle]

yet its trash so idk

he might be on to somehtin

[agile ridge]

yes because i believe arc soul freezes

[uncut jay]

we're talking getaway bonuses

[zinc pewter]

There's no shortage of boltcharge on arc subclasses yet you still use Rolling Storm

[uncut jay]

I've already said the underlying build is fantastic

I'm saying run THAT build but without Getaways

[agile ridge]

why would you

[uncut jay]

yeah that's my fuck around build

[desert shale]

what exotic are you saying to use here 💀

[agile ridge]

rimecoat?

[zinc pewter]

Useless perk though

[uncut jay]

BECAUSE THEY'RE ASS

[desert shale]

rime coat?

[uncut jay]

Literally anything else

[agile ridge]

get specific

if getaways is bad, what is good?

dawn chorus?

[zinc pewter]

What exotic would you use if the build is based around getaway artist

[agile ridge]

promethium?

[mystic saddle]

HUGE

[agile ridge]

chromatic fire?

stormdancers?

felwinters?

[uncut jay]

The build is not based around Getaway Artists. You enable Getaways by running an Arc grenade, that's it.
A Devour/Bleak Watcher build is not reliant on Getaways at all.

[zinc pewter]

So getaway is bad on prismatic, but rolling storm and palindrome are not

[agile ridge]

nothing?

[uncut jay]

You could run an Inmost class item and then whatever right column perk you fancy

[agile ridge]

devour is a core part for nade regen

[uncut jay]

Rolling Storm is mid, it's a fun perk for this season specifically
Palindrome feels nice, again pretty much just for this episode

[uncut jay]

Arc Souls are bad so Getaway is bad

[zinc pewter]

The build is based around getaway giving both bleak watcher and arc soul, playing into that with facet of courage, facet of balance, bleakwatcher because eating thr nade for arc soul also pops one out

[grave patio]

danke

[dusty gale]

Bitte

[uncut jay]

The build works the exact same if you sub out Getaways

[zinc pewter]

Rolling Storm is useless though, all it's use for is to get the initial stack of boltcharge, something you can do extremely easily on arc subclasses, this season being arc focused doesn't suddenly make the perk less ass

[uncut jay]

If a build falls apart from removing the exotic, that's when you can make that argument

[dusty gale]

But its less fun

[zinc pewter]

It doesn't because you don't get the arc soul 😭

[agile ridge]

the exotic makes the build

you center the build around what the exotic provides

[uncut jay]

If you are looking purely for a turret build, sure it's based on Arc Souls
But a Devour/Bleak Watcher Prismatic build does not need Arc Souls to function

that's just a generic crowd control devour build

[agile ridge]

devour is devour

[uncut jay]

Getaways don't make the build though. It adds 1 more feature to the build.

[agile ridge]

somewhat of a must within builds

[uncut jay]

Agreed

[agile ridge]

the second aspect is where builds shift

[uncut jay]

Agreed

[mystic saddle]

beating a dead horse

[agile ridge]

weavers? swarmers
helion? new exotic in edge of fate ig?
surge? don’t even need to explain that

[uncut jay]

For example in a previous season I used a Devour/Bleak Watcher build with Mataiodoxia for GMs. Bleak Watcher for freezes, needles for suspends & barrier champions.
Worked pretty well.

[agile ridge]

a poor old man came riding by

[uncut jay]

That build did not require Arc Souls

[agile ridge]

because there is no way to have them besides getaways

[mystic saddle]

i think your concept of the build is just blind, ur not understanding the real reason why arc souls make the build better

[agile ridge]

or someone on arc

[uncut jay]

Yes I know that, my argument is that the Arc Souls are dogshit

[mystic saddle]

but its not

[uncut jay]

Getaways are bad because Arc Souls are bad

[desert shale]

arc souls are better than no arc souls

that is why the build works

[uncut jay]

Getaway's function and buffs are great, but the underlying turret does nothing

[mystic saddle]

shrimple rly

[uncut jay]

Sure but that just means Getaways is better than running no exotic

[agile ridge]

no shit

[zinc pewter]

Are we just ignoring that arc souls can deal tcrash worth of damage

[uncut jay]

THEY JUST DONT LOL

[agile ridge]

the build becomes better with getaways

[uncut jay]

like I'm sorry but they really dont

[zinc pewter]

1/3 of tcrash damage is still like, 130k or so in 10-12 seconds

[dusty gale]

here's your arc soul related stuff

[uncut jay]

The base build is better with Getaways YES
But I'm saying run literally any other exotic that adds something to Prismatic or enhances Prismatic and you're getting more value

[zinc pewter]

15 seconds*

[mystic saddle]

liek wot

[zinc pewter]

Saying arc souls are bad is just wrong

[uncut jay]

Inmost class item

[mystic saddle]

u dont use that on a turret build

[uncut jay]

Rimecoat isn't amazing but it's doubling down on Bleak Watchers

Crystals for Rimestealer etc

[zinc pewter]

Rimestealer 💀

[agile ridge]

crystals aren’t why you’d run it

[zinc pewter]

Also glitch techs pfp

[uncut jay]

I think honestly 1x Frost Armour is more value to my life than the pitiful damage of an Arc Soul

[mystic saddle]

💀

[uncut jay]

deadass

[zinc pewter]

Ragebait atp

[agile ridge]

either you sit in the circle and shoot

[desert shale]

you have got to be baiting at this point

[agile ridge]

actually what am i doing

[agile ridge]

consistent knower of ball

[dusty gale]

Arguing

[uncut jay]

Getting called a baiter for having a different opinion than Reddit

Used to getting called that atp

[zinc pewter]

I haven't seen it in a couple years 😭

[desert shale]

i dont even think i've looked at the d2 reddit once in my life

my opinion is entirely based off of personal experience with the exotic

[mystic saddle]

u can have an opinion, but isnt it common sense if more than 3 people are tellin u youre wrong?

[zinc pewter]

Saying "they do pitiful damage" and "they're useless" is just flat out wrong

[uncut jay]

it's frankly just Esoterick & Cheese Forever videos

[agile ridge]

netflix gave up on it most likely

[zinc pewter]

That's not opinion

[zinc pewter]

Yea iirc there were only 2 seasons

[agile ridge]

animators of wakfu should’ve taken it up

[desert shale]

i only know esoterick tangentially and i have no idea who cheese forever is

[uncut jay]

Got plenty of fellow Warlock mains telling me they agree, it's not as one sided as you think

[mystic saddle]

[desert shale]

i am telling you from my own experience they are good exotics and questioning what in your build is going wrong for that to be the case

[zinc pewter]

He posts videos of cheesing stuff to get easy clears/loot

[desert shale]

https://tenor.com/view/travolta-desert-dry-drought-gif-20765263

[zinc pewter]

Pretty much why witness checkpoint sucks

[uncut jay]

Cheese Forever uploads videos of glitches & bugs, and then if you post his videos in this server you get banned for 2 years for "promoting exploits"

but it's ok because the mods are allowed to do it

[zinc pewter]

Are they in the room with us right now

[uncut jay]

just not us

[uncut jay]

They're in my current clan and previous clans

[zinc pewter]

That's not true either

[desert shale]

welcome to like, a discord server? i guess?

[zinc pewter]

Bungie has openly said that any exploit or bug is their fault and we're free to abuse it

[uncut jay]

when I post it it's promoting exploits, but a mod posts it and it's "haha guys check this out"?

[desert shale]

yes, actually

[uncut jay]

anyway thankfully that mod team is gone now

no actually

[mystic saddle]

'promoting exploit' is dumb, every game does that shit lol

[agile ridge]

are the warlock mains in the room with us

[mystic saddle]

yes its @zinc pewter

[limpid hearth]

the only time bungie outright promoted exploiting was the craftening

[uncut jay]

Yeah well that's why I was banned back in like WQ era or something

[zinc pewter]

Hi, I'm funny-peely and I disapprove of this message

[uncut jay]

[uncut jay]

you tell me idk

If this isn't adequate hours on a Warlock lmk

[mystic saddle]

they had no choice

[agile ridge]

mains
plural

[mystic saddle]

also was weekend, they werent doing OT

[zinc pewter]

That's you, not the others your claiming agree

[uncut jay]

as i said, my clan(s)

[limpid hearth]

actual hellish weekend for bungie

[zinc pewter]

You wouldn't know them, they go to a different discord server

[agile ridge]

if you say that getaways sucks and no one disagrees

let’s connect the dots here

[uncut jay]

Apparently I need to get a manifest of Warlock mains to have you accept that other people have different opinions

[agile ridge]

list smaller than the gambit population

[desert shale]

flexing your hours as a way to say that your opinion is correct

lmfao ik what kinda player we're dealing with here

[uncut jay]

Not flexing, I'm just proving I'm not some little dork who picked the game up this season

[agile ridge]

practicing 1000 moves once vs 1 move 1000 times

[desert shale]

i mean yes, when you are claiming that there are other people agreeing with you typically we would want to see what people are agreeing with you

[zinc pewter]

No, it's not about differing opinions, it's just your flat out wrong in saying it's useless and doesn't do damage

You can say you don't enjoy the exotic and that'd be fine because you aren't just lying about it

[uncut jay]

I'm not going through multiple discord server chat logs just to prove an opinion exists and isn't bait

I really don't care that much

[agile ridge]

bring a poll into general asking if getaways sucks or not

[desert shale]

then don't continue to be shocked when people think your opinion is righfully kind of dumb

[agile ridge]

last 30 mins say otherwise

[uncut jay]

[agile ridge]

but again

customer is always right

in terms of taste

[uncut jay]

because I got an entire server at my throat claiming these little arc pissants do Tcrash damage

[agile ridge]

how much damage again

[zinc pewter]

They actually do though

But you're also twisting my words

[uncut jay]

how do you figure that an amplified arc soul does anywhere close to super damage

[desert shale]

they do a lot of damage and notably a lot of light transcendance

[agile ridge]

in a game full of nerds, someone’s bound to test the numbers

[zinc pewter]

3 people starting damage phase and only having amplified arc soul deal damage

[uncut jay]

Not arguing against the light transcendence, but I feel like that's not really in short supply

[agile ridge]

chat should i play cyberpunk siege rdr2 or snoreframe

[uncut jay]

free T energy is free T energy

👐🏼

[zinc pewter]

You'd think with how good their tracking is, needlestorm would be the same 😭

[desert shale]

it's the kind of thing you don't notice until you don't have it

[uncut jay]

Siege X is cheater city I hear sadly

somehow like 2 days after release

[desert shale]

i ran lightning surge and noticed i was missing on some damage