✨destiny-discussion

[pearl mural]

i was legit too scared to fight the witness’s projection lmaooo

[formal topaz]

and the campaign witness just looks so cool and clean

[pearl mural]

seeing it IN PERSON not in a cutscene??

ghost stop saying we’re not afraid of you

[formal topaz]

yeah ghost does not speak for both of us

[pearl mural]

also “what was made can be unmade” dude

iconic

[fierce kettle]

ends like that marvel elseworld show with killmonger in a permanent standstill against ultron but its asher and maya

[pearl mural]

genuinely the writing in TFS is insane for ass pulling a way to defeat the witness and making it not feel like an ex machina because we still get to shoot it

the fact we are only delaying and delaying until excision is peak

[proud cape]

turning the darkness statues into dissenters also

[pearl mural]

campaign step one, if it bleeds we can kill it
raid step two: STOP THE FINAL SHAPE FIRST
excision: stronger together blaring

[pearl mural]

I FLIPPED MY FUCKING LID

[keen jungle]

Bring back the HELM

[pearl mural]

i also love SE is literally us delaying the final shape every encounter until we can separate the witness itself

it makes verity seem so much cooler too
like the witness is already manipulating the roots of the light to stall us and trap us

but we know who we are mf hoe

im a triangle

[maiden meadow]

Really funny how if you go fast enough after the final aegis bit with the path and you die in one hit, you can throw a grenade and it'll appear in the cutscene

[vale arrow]

Odds we get some type of blog post tomorrow?

[maiden meadow]

Zero

they post on Thursdays

[pearl mural]

thursday w details about june 9th prolly

[buoyant furnace]

We get the occasional balance tuning notes on Wednesdays

[proud cape]

i had a video guide on how to get to the crown of sorrow in the helm because a guy couldn't find his way there somehow

[vale arrow]

I’s be surprised if they plan on fitting all that information in just two twid’s

[frozen karma]

Or more fluff you never know

[latent valve]

Man im just going through all the music and it just makes me so sad. Listening to “eyes up”. Im still really hummed we never got a iron lord season. They choked right when it was gonna happen

[pearl mural]

i doubt we won’t hear about the future until after the dust settles

[buoyant furnace]

Probably not 0% chance we see something tomorrow but I also don't think they'd lead with that kind of thing without going more in depth regarding the rest of the content first

[frozen karma]

That was me

[pearl mural]

twid said they’ll stay in touch after a while

[formal topaz]

does that one mission in seraph count

[proud cape]

no ☹️

[frozen karma]

Yea i lied

[maiden meadow]

It's to make up the several weeks of basically blank word documents

[latent valve]

Its hard to remember that one. But i was happy to get felwinter shotgun. I think i was afk for some of that season.

[frozen karma]

The one line patch note😭

[proud cape]

"the one about [...]"

[latent valve]

…Heart of the praxic fire

[vale arrow]

If they do post something I think they will split each week between Ability + exotic equipment changes for this week and then they’ll save Destination and pantheon stuff for next week.

I like build crafting so I’d worry about pantheon later and rather hear sandbox changes first

[latent valve]

I hope it all fun changes and nothing that kills my current favorites.

Please no hurt praxic blade beyond removing the current artifact

[maiden meadow]

Guys, we're going to hit 666 days since the last time Telesto broke the game on the same day as the last TWID before June 9

[vale arrow]

I wouldn’t be surprised if praxic takes a hit

They might scrape it down from S tier down to A

[proud cape]

the one about nerfing everything you like

[vale arrow]

I’m looking forward to the war of dawn rework though.

[latent valve]

Im not worried about damage or anything. I just love the feeling of being able to use it like a primary so long as you utilize its built in perks

I just wanna smack with sword all day

[vale arrow]

As long as it can still consistently be used as a way to kill red bars and orange bars when you need to I would be fine with that.

[maiden meadow]

They pull a Luigi's Mansion or something and lock away the "main character" aka our guardian and put us on a new character that gets to go fight on Torobatl for Caiatl against Xivu Arath while our guardian stays home and finishes binding the Nine

[vale arrow]

I love this copium

I’ll cope with you genuinely

[modern hedge]

I’m new to the game I’m I’m going through each story in order and it say my level recommended is to low how do I level up? I thought I could play the story?

[vale arrow]

By level it means light level

Well power level

[latent valve]

Before d1 came out i had always hoped it was gonna be more focused on open world exploration like rpgs. Utilizing your ship and finding treasure.

[vale arrow]

It’s not called light level anymore

[vale arrow]

Know that number in the top right when you want to change your equipment/subclass?

[modern hedge]

Ya it’s at 307

[vale arrow]

That is basically the estimation/balance of all your current armor/weapons equipped power level.

[rancid canopy]

Tbh I’m not sure if they’ll go through with nerfing things considering its the last update and all

[vale arrow]

As you equip weapons and armor it’ll go up and down depending on each pieces power level

[modern hedge]

I have been doing that throughout the story missions and they all the same 300-306 level

[half minnow]

they'll 100% nerf outliers

[vale arrow]

So let’s say half your gear is power level 499 and the other half is power level 501 then your overall power level in the top right will be 500z

[rancid canopy]

If they nerf shit on the final update you know there are gonna be mfs having meltdowns

[spare lance]

What stage we all at today?

[vale arrow]

I haven’t played in a while so you might have to look up how power level works, but the r/destinythegame Reddit might be able to help you better

[void shoal]

[rancid canopy]

Kendrick jumpscare

[vale arrow]

I wouldn’t care if rocket pulses got nerfed to be honest.

[void shoal]

Boo

[rancid canopy]

Frozen orbit

[maiden meadow]

You wanna know what I'm actually coping for? The return of the D1 progression system. The way they did missions as permanent markers on the map, that were locked not only behind level but power. That you couldn't use certain weapons until you were high enough level and had to progress to use the fullest extent of them anyway. Felt much more grounded and easy to follow that way.

[void shoal]

[rancid canopy]

He still remembers, joyous

[void shoal]

Gives me ptsd

I’ll never forget that

[latent valve]

Imagine the revenue destiny could have made if they just funneled it into a housing/ship decor system

[rancid canopy]

Truly the most diabolical hipfire kill

[alpine mountain]

is thr ketchcrash activity bugged? stuck on destory the security optic

[worthy trellis]

i had that bug the other day

i think the whole team needs to wipe to fix it but idk

[autumn warren]

I'd have gone broke ngl

[stray granite]

Imagine the revenue if Destiny

[autumn warren]

Imagine how much more destiny would've made than marathon

[near tinsel]

is there anything close to cowboy hat

that isnt stuck

behind dungeon key

i got legacy edition

i cant do spire

[autumn warren]

Nope

[near tinsel]

nothing?

[autumn warren]

I mean warlock has the sun hat in eververse

But that's about it I think

[void shoal]

Genuinely made me recoil when it happened

[lost arch]

Bleh

[near tinsel]

any winchester type weapon in game?

that isnt stuck behind spire

[maiden meadow]

Don't think so

[latent valve]

I dont think ill drop the current dungeon armor set anytime soon. As much as its well probably near inpossible to farm solo for me.

But i am curious about what set bonus the texm set from spire will get. If its the og sneak prewiew they made long ago or not

[shadow inlet]

Dead mans tale

[near tinsel]

ye

saw it

how to get it

[near peak]

dead it sure is

[shadow inlet]

Presage

[latent valve]

I love the look of dmt

[fresh scroll]

Do you own Beyond Light?

[near tinsel]

i hav elegacy

legacy edition

so i think i do

[latent valve]

Praying for a catalyst that makes TLW pve viable for non hunters

[fresh scroll]

Is Presage still behind a rotator?

As in it’s not available some weeks?

[near tinsel]

what

odl wjat ypi ks saod

[fresh scroll]

[fresh scroll]

I should have clarified actually, this question isn’t directed at you

[quaint garnet]

am i the only one kinda surprised that D2 reddit are not talking about where people will go next after this news??? also im surprised that competitors YT channels haven't capitalized on this either with "Warframe/DIv 2 in 2026 " videos??

[near peak]

[fresh scroll]

Presage is the exotic mission that gives DMT, but I’m not sure if it’s active in game rn

[near tinsel]

so what

i js

cant get it

?

[mystic monolith]

there was last rite

emphasis on “was”

uh

keep away os

[latent valve]

I respect warframe but just cant get behind the odd alieny looking armor designs.

[fresh scroll]

Does anyone here know if Presage is available or if it’s on the rotator or?

[mystic monolith]

i’ll check ig

[versed pewter]

You launch into it when its nor in rotation but I dont know if it drops rewards

[mystic monolith]

it’s in pinnacle

starcrossed is on for rotator as of now

[versed pewter]

As of late last year

[fresh scroll]

Ohhh it was added to the Portal?

[lean belfry]

Yea but no option to choose old loot i think

[mystic monolith]

dmt u get from doing presage

[proud cape]

hashtag what's the hashtag point

[agile apex]

OMG the youtuber said the petition is being looked at by bungie ceo

[abstract escarp]

As if

And that doesn't matter

[lean belfry]

No red borders of guns like firefright tho

[subtle rune]

Apparently it drops but I'm not sure if true because I never got starcrossed exotic to drop let alone the old weapons

[abstract escarp]

It's Sony who needs to look at it

But they don't care

[proud cape]

as if they have a ceo

[subtle rune]

Good

Stand with Sony

[abstract escarp]

It's 8:30 it is too early for rage bait

Please

[subtle rune]

I'm going sleep anyway

[near tinsel]

so like

@fresh scroll can i get it or no

[mystic monolith]

yes

do presage

[near tinsel]

whats that

[mystic monolith]

exotic mission

in pinnacle stuff

[near tinsel]

ooooookay

[mystic monolith]

in portal

[near tinsel]

il check

ty

in which slot does dead man tales goes?

[mystic monolith]

it’s a pretty decent gun for pvp

[mystic monolith]

kinetic

[near tinsel]

nice

[lean belfry]

Pve dmt enjoyers wya

[mystic monolith]

alex

wherever he is

[lean belfry]

Feels nice having an instant reload i guess

[spice berry]

do you guys think the only raid bosses being added back for pantheon are the ones on the picture they released?

[lean belfry]

I hope not

[spice berry]

i want spire

[near tinsel]

il use it for everything

[mystic monolith]

it’s not really a pve weapon

[abstract escarp]

Actually throwing

[spice berry]

just like me and my word of crota

[lean belfry]

Tbh the game is ending service, do what you want atp unless it actively harms someones experience 💀

[mystic monolith]

stl vorpal and fttc are the only pve perks to have on it

[spice berry]

im just waiting for the last onpam bingo for pantheon

[mystic monolith]

and none of them are good

[abstract escarp]

NO, YOU MUST USE THE META AND ONLY THE META

[lean belfry]

The introduction of weapons like striga and perks like incan and destab rotted everyones brain

[formal topaz]

theres potential for insurrection

[near tinsel]

Yk what they say

Drip>stats

Every mmo is dress up game disguised under rpg

[lean belfry]

When my gun doesnt do oppenheimzillion explosions every kill

[abstract escarp]

I was using striga yesterday and it just isn't amazing anymore

[formal topaz]

hot take

[abstract escarp]

I mean ability spam has done that

[formal topaz]

it never felt good

[near tinsel]

Happens

[near peak]

trippin

[abstract escarp]

Nah bro on release it was amazing and an actual room Clear

[lean belfry]

I meant prime striga

[near tinsel]

Wanna form magnificient 7 as a fire team

[lean belfry]

atp why not use the huck

[near tinsel]

(6 since thats raid limit)

[formal topaz]

i used prime striga

still felt butt

[near peak]

trippin

[mystic monolith]

i’d make the hateful 8

[abstract escarp]

With necrotic grips?

[formal topaz]

ni

no

[near tinsel]

Hateful 6

[formal topaz]

but still

[mystic monolith]

or the ridiculous 6

[abstract escarp]

Cwispy remind me what the nerf that killed it was?

[sinful terrace]

Woah

Settle down

[abstract escarp]

The necrotic grips part is what really made it great

[lean belfry]

poison spread cooldown

[near peak]

cooldown on its aoe

they needa revert it

[near tinsel]

We can do that

[abstract escarp]

Yeah

[formal topaz]

if youre nothing without your necrotic grips you dont deserve them

[sinful terrace]

Did they not revert it a bit?

[lean belfry]

necrochasm is what striga wishes to be

[abstract escarp]

A little bit its not enough

[near peak]

was still good without, hence why it was nerfed

[sinful terrace]

Well yeah it’s a shell of its former self

But still

[formal topaz]

was butt without

[abstract escarp]

Bonk I was using it yesterday with you and it didn't really do much in the face of a titan

[near peak]

ah yes

bungie nerfed a butt weapon

makes sense

[abstract escarp]

Quicksilver also needs a nerf reverse

[sinful terrace]

Well yes but that’s cause I’m a melee dumbass

[abstract escarp]

I'd actually like to use it again

[proud cape]

lament also needs a nerf reverse

[abstract escarp]

That too

[mystic monolith]

sol is the tangle maker now

[abstract escarp]

I don't remember what the nerf was

[sinful terrace]

Genuinely no reason to nerf lament

[proud cape]

everything ever nerfed actually

[abstract escarp]

But it hurt it pretty good no?

[near tinsel]

@mystic monolith wanna help me with getting dmt tmrw

[sinful terrace]

It made its healing like really shit I think

[mystic monolith]

no

[near tinsel]

Me and my buddy wkll do it but we sre both little.bit special

So idk if we will manage to do it

[near tinsel]

Okay

[mystic monolith]

presage is pretty easy anyways

watch a cketch vid

[abstract escarp]

Btw what is the psi aeterna god roll?

[autumn warren]

Dead Man's Tale from an exotic mission

[near peak]

blast distr / eh

[near tinsel]

🐌

[autumn warren]

Shut up I know I'm late

[near tinsel]

Im tryna find fireteam for presage

Ty anyways

[mystic monolith]

severely late

[abstract escarp]

Nice cos I got that roll yesty

[near tinsel]

<3

[abstract escarp]

Why not trickle charge tho?

Nvm free 15 grenade stat

[proud aspen]

jesus i forgot which exotic goes with blade barrage

[near peak]

ideally u want shiny origin

[mystic monolith]

shards of galanor?

[dapper orchid]

shards of galanor?

[proud aspen]

thank you very much

[mystic monolith]

not a great one

there’s better

[proud aspen]

i could be stuck in old meta

not sure

[dapper orchid]

well good news

its not changing anytime soon

[mystic monolith]

ophidia is for melee spam and getting ur super fast as hell

yas is for ability spam

nighthawk does its thing

calibans still exists but meh

[proud aspen]

ophidia that's right

had a prismatic BB build with ophidia

[mystic monolith]

pris is not the subclass you’d use with ophidia

knock em down is necessary for the build to function

[abstract escarp]

What is the origin?

[proud aspen]

no i used the exotic arc gauntlets for that build

the

[mystic monolith]

liars?

[proud aspen]

liars

[mystic monolith]

?

[abstract escarp]

Wild card?

[near peak]

acclerated assault

[abstract escarp]

Oh

[proud aspen]

yes

[mystic monolith]

u mean ophidian?

[abstract escarp]

Don't have on this one FUCK

[mystic monolith]

different exotics

[proud aspen]

no i used liars i remembered wrong

got builds mixed up

[mystic monolith]

ophidia is knife trick spam

souped up

[proud aspen]

yeah

hold on let me check ishtar

i'm on D1 memory atm

[daring turtle]

now that i think about it, the hardest raid boss is gonna be re added to the game

the forklift

[proud aspen]

oh wait no i used the prismatic cloak with foetracer and liars

infinite melee + dodge

[turbid vortex]

Doubt most people here need one but Zavala is selling some pretty good riptides this week for PvE and PvP

[old iron]

just curious what do you guys think will happen to this server after the 9th?

[proud aspen]

absolute destruction in crowdkill

[ripe dirge]

nothing

[old iron]

thought that myself but just was curious of those thoughts

[turbid vortex]

#📢server-announcements

We aren't going anywhere

[old iron]

we stand strong like the last city

[near peak]

no shiny tho

[umbral geyser]

Hello chat

[turbid vortex]

If alot of people are still playing D1, D2 will still have a following for quite a while

[umbral geyser]

I am grinding out d1 rn

[abstract escarp]

Aw yeah I'll cop one

[proud aspen]

what campaign are you doing?

[umbral geyser]

TTK

[proud aspen]

the best

[umbral geyser]

So goated

And then ROI after also goated

[proud aspen]

saw a video the other day of dinklebot's voicelines in the base campaign, was wild hearing it

[ripe dirge]

roi the goated 1 hour long campaign

[umbral geyser]

A peak 1 hour lol

[umbral geyser]

Hearing dinklebot always throws me off

[proud aspen]

it does

the hive is scary at the start of d1

you can hear the chittering and the moving of the barnacles on the walls

it's so disturbing

[umbral geyser]

Ikr, d1s entire vibe is just so cool

[proud aspen]

i miss when everything was mysterious and gritty

it had this rusted unknown vibe

[neat orchid]

With everything hopefully becoming cheaper I reckon people might actually just jump in for the first time after the 9th

I'm I have some DLCs that I still gotta buy at least

[unborn oar]

Do y'all think that if Lance Reddick was still alive, he wouldn't be too pleased about the ending of Destiny

[formal topaz]

100%

[unborn oar]

He'd definitely advocate Bungie to use their big ball energy and keep it alive

Paradise Pad reference

[clear mist]

Destiny gonna get the nexo knights treatment

[haughty tapir]

Destiny 1 exploration... down the wrong tunnel deep enough... red skull mobs that way outlevel you... good times indeed... good old days .

[unborn oar]

The what

[opaque trench]

idk if i should contuine playing destiny 2 with this update news. Should I try another game? Advice?

[unborn oar]

Destiny 2 is still gonna be playable

[neat orchid]

well its not shutting down or anything so if you still like it id still play it

[formal topaz]

theres still so much left to do

[unborn oar]

Play it, so Sony and Bungie sees their still is such a big base

[formal topaz]

the least you could do is play the new update

[neat orchid]

funnily enough im getting back into the game rn because of it, was waiting for 3 after final shape but ig ill just do the new stuff for now

[formal topaz]

experience our last new content

[clear mist]

Childhood Lego show that was unfinished for ninjago

And Lego completely forgot abt it

[unborn oar]

Oh

[abstract escarp]

Ngl I didn't fuck with the Nexo knights theme

[silk light]

Man, I've got mixed feelings on the seasonal model.

On one hand, it's awful that the years of characters development, plots and arcs we've had are forever unplayable and lost, but on the other hand, I feel like it made those moments where we were there more impactful.

[neat orchid]

i think its pretty annoying that all the seasonal content just goes away

imagine how much cooler the game would be if it was all still accessable

[proud aspen]

600gb

but yeah

[silk light]

I wanted to make some friends try destiny so I could show them my special interest but then I remembered how they'll never experience that feeling of Bungie out of nowhere pulling a plotline you thought they had forgotten.

[neat orchid]

at least bring fishing back

[proud aspen]

if they can bring back sparrow racing they can bring back forsaken

[silk light]

Like Crow showing up after that one cutscene of Uldren being ressed two years prior.

Or Mithrax showing up in Zero hour, or when he finally got a speaking role in splicer

[neat orchid]

if they ever do make a 3rd game i think they need to ditch limited content like seasonal stuff

having new things be the focus for a season is fine but dont remove it after

[orchid spear]

they can do anything they wanted to, shown by the fact they are ligit adding everything weve asked for... Its just they dont want to

[silk light]

That would be impossible unless they released a new game every few years.

[proud aspen]

what

[neat orchid]

i really dont think keeping seasonal stuff isnt impossible

they just need to develop and set things up with the intention that it stays

[limpid mantle]

Any recs on which riptide to grab from Zal this week?

[proud aspen]

it's literally the exact same formula they've been doing except for the thanos snapping of content

[silk light]

They'd need to do some black magic for that, like how Warframe keeps being under 30GB after 10+ years of content.

[maiden meadow]

They can't but okay

[icy lintel]

I know it doesn’t change anything, but it’s cool to see that just in a few days the petition has almost 250,000 signatures. And is on the trending page.

[neat orchid]

thats because warframe develops stuff keeping in mind that it will stay in the game

[orchid spear]

45* but yeah black magic

[neat orchid]

bungie could just do that as well

[abstract escarp]

Made by lucky10p

[silk light]

Maybe, they sure as hell never developed D2 to last this long.

[neat orchid]

if anything it just shows that people do still like destiny

[neat orchid]

yeah thats part of the problem

[smoky vigil]

How are my guardians holding up? S😢

[silk light]

With how fast they pumped out updates for Marathon, I'd like to believe that Destiny 3 would be incredible, if only we had a Game director like Joe Blackburn again.

[neat orchid]

alot of the issues with D2 are because it really just wasnt designed to last this long

[silk light]

Even Luke smith would still be alright.

[orchid spear]

fine🤷‍♂️ my storage is gonna be free 150gb's in a month

[neat orchid]

i think if bungie can survive off of marathon for longer than a year they will eventually greenlight a new game and that new game would likely be a destiny thing

[icy lintel]

No matter how bad of a state Destiny 2 is in, it’ll always hold a special place in my heart

[smoky vigil]

I think the dashboard killed it

[neat orchid]

pretty good

[robust grove]

After further self reflection, im starting to realize my hatred for bungie after they ditched halo never really went away, just resurfaced with the destiny news

[neat orchid]

ill get to play eof and renegades on the 9th when they become cheap

[astral cliff]

Get back to work homie

[orchid spear]

if its not like 5usd im still not buying lol

[icy lintel]

Bruh I’m getting ready for my date

[smoky vigil]

Bro im hearing it was Sony

[silk light]

Man, has EA ever got as much hatred as Bungie got? Like, people dislike EA and other companies for doing bad games, loot boxes and stuff but people have a personal hate for Bungie I feel. Lol

[astral cliff]

That was yesterday

[orchid spear]

yes but bungie higher ups are the ones who ruined everything with there stupid decisions

[icy lintel]

That’s today

[robust grove]

Doesn’t matter, last time they said it was Microsoft and now we’re supposed to buy that Sony is 100% the big bad guy again?

[smoky vigil]

I’m boycotting marathon, they killed destiny

[abstract escarp]

No

[orchid spear]

they dident

[maiden meadow]

They didn't

[abstract escarp]

Bungie killed destiny

[neat orchid]

yeah, EA has canned games that people love as wellc

[maiden meadow]

And all it does it hurt any chances of Destiny 3

[abstract escarp]

But Sony killed D3, as they turned down all pitches

[robust grove]

Bungie’s inability to stick to 1 franchise is what killed destiny

[orchid spear]

game was lowk already fkd. i stopped playing on october of last year because after 8y's of playing it was jsut so bad

[smoky vigil]

Ngl we need D3

[neat orchid]

tho destiny is bigger than say a titanfall so the bungie stuff makes more people angry compared to what ea cancels

[robust grove]

Would we call destiny the bigger generational fumble or halo

[smoky vigil]

They absolutely got us to fall in love with it and what do we have left ? RISING ????

[maiden meadow]

Yes

[smoky vigil]

Better than halo

[orchid spear]

tbf it went well for 7+y's not incuding d1

[neat orchid]

give it some time and im sure itll happen eventually, if anything its still a big IP thatll appear again when bungie and sony want to make a big live service thing

[smoky vigil]

I dared to say it

[maiden meadow]

Both good for different reasons.

[robust grove]

I think that’s debatable, I lived theu H2 and H3

[neat orchid]

sounds like both bungie and sony werent all that interested in making a 3rd and prefered to keep the 2nd game going for as long as they could

[robust grove]

One thing is for certain tho, will never get invested on another bungie franchise ever again no matter how good / reminiscent it is

[maiden meadow]

ok

[serene minnow]

Bro... I personally want Bungie to continue Destiny 2 with the Fate Saga. And the only way to convince them to continue with Shattered Cycle is if the player count spikes hard on June 9th...

[robust grove]

Idk how you can give them another chance after they fumbled 2 generational titles but ok

Every decade they prove who they are

[maiden meadow]

Not happening

[neat orchid]

gotta say im a bit curious to see what they would work on after a marathon anyway, like if its not destiny i wonder what other type of shit they would make

[robust grove]

And Microsoft and Sony are always the bad guys it’s never Bungie’s fault they’re the good guys remember

[serene minnow]

it's not impossible, but I'm also aware to not keep my hopes up

[maiden meadow]

No, like, very impossible. There will be a spike but that was going to happen anyway.

[smoky vigil]

Well I’ll be honest guys

[maiden meadow]

I'd be surprised if the final tally is even close to the number of names on that petition

[robust grove]

Destiny charts above marathon half the time, don’t know why bungie or Sony is trusting the future with marathon

[smoky vigil]

I felt like this was going to happen for a while

[uneven lotus]

Could. They will panic if shareholders see how Sony killed a game with such a huge playerbase. Keep in mind, most of the playerbase is on console. While Steam’s players was 15k, D2’s total was 70k.

[smoky vigil]

So I been having an affair with WARFRAME for the past 2 years

[vagrant lava]

Its over sheeeeeesh where was all this passion b4 the annoucement

[robust grove]

It’s been there but they haven’t listened since TFS

[uneven lotus]

Sony already panicked and dumped money into marathon. Now they HAVE to make it work to save face.

[robust grove]

Not to mention all the streamers who told everybody who predicted this that we were just dooming and to be quiet

[neat orchid]

the playerbase isnt exactly huge or them, at least not big enough. the whole reason bungies in this mess is because they have been bleeding money for a very long time

more players doesnt mean a ton if the game loses money anyway

[maiden meadow]

The peak playercount was something like 3.5 million on launch. No expansion has gotten close to that since, most hitting around 1 million.

[smoky vigil]

Maybe Tess Eververse is responsible

Ever since she came into the picture

She’s like a shady HOA board member

[maiden meadow]

What an intriguing description

[neat orchid]

not really shocked the player count went down tho, on top of all D2s issues they decided to release what was basically the end to the story with final shape, im assuming alot of people like me quit after that assuming that the next game would just pick up where this one left off

[uneven lotus]

They just need to realise that D1 and D2 are absolute titans (pun intended) of the gaming industry. Why? It’s a great IP with huge potential and a loyal playerbase.

That earns money.

[neat orchid]

the issue is that they need to spend alot of money either fixing d2 or making d3 so that large playerbase actually makes them money

[maiden meadow]

If it earns money, then why did Sony report $766 million in impairment losses last year from Bungie?

[vagrant lava]

We the Ogs the people with 11 years on D2, always telling new lights on raids to KWTD, when someone had to teach us. Then we get all high and mighty and dont want to teach others. Every fireteam finder is Quick run KWTD, Meta only type shit

[uneven lotus]

Because Pete Parsons fucked it up.

Destiny isn’t bad, mismanagement is.

[robust grove]

This current studio is incapable of making a D3 that feels like destiny, if Sony was confident they could deliver they would’ve greenlit it

[neat orchid]

its an investment they dont want to make rn, at least not while they have no ideas

[smoky vigil]

Man I remember my first Gjallahorn in D1

[worthy trellis]

$560m of this is from marathon lolll

[smoky vigil]

We should just switch over to Warframe and create a clan of Guardians

[vagrant lava]

@smoky vigil me too bro that was a good day indded

[maiden meadow]

Source?

[uneven lotus]

Sony is scared of everything right now tbf

They don’t want another Concord situation (dumped hundreds of millions for the biggest flop in history)

[neat orchid]

id imagine they want bungie on one game for now and will green light something if the ideas good enough and its not an insane risk

[mellow aspen]

source uhh I hate marathon

😝

[neat orchid]

they dont want another destiny 2 situation tbh

[robust grove]

I mean to be fair how many studios have tried to bail destiny out at this point

[smoky vigil]

We should just shift to Warframe and Create a clan of Guardians

[uneven lotus]

Destiny 2’s highs were HIGHS to be fair. They just need to find a way to make the lows not as drastic.

[smoky vigil]

Indeed

[vagrant lava]

But now we have a gay colorful extraction shooter thats also dieing lol what a pickle they are in lol

[smoky vigil]

Indeed think what made it so memorable was the cooperate play and party chats

[dusty thorn]

which one?

[vagrant lava]

Marathon

[uneven lotus]

And the raids. Yet to see another game make raid mechanics so masterfully.

[neat orchid]

yeah and at least for now they dont really want to spend heaps of money doing that, id imagine if they got a decent pitch that wasnt super risky they would go for it

[maiden meadow]

Why’s it got to be gay? 🤨

[smoky vigil]

Definitely made some good memories with raids and quests

[vagrant lava]

i hate it lol

[maiden meadow]

That’s not helping your case

[uneven lotus]

Shame we never got to raid that hive foundry lmao

[neat orchid]

but rn i assume they just dont want bungie dealing with destiny 2 (loses money) marathon (also loses money) all while making a 3rd destiny (will cost lots of money)

[worthy trellis]

the time at which the impairments were reported
the first ~200m impairment report came from Q2 2025
the second impairment report of ~560m is from Q4 2025 (coincides with marathon launch)

the year's total came to 760m but it matters when it was reported (source of the two separate impairments is kotaku)

[smoky vigil]

I’ve been in probably the most funny and entertaining party chats

[charred lance]

But they did want to spend heaps making horizon hunters gathering, a straight up slop game that will fail just like concord

[smoky vigil]

It never mattered the platform I was on the party chat was always lit

[uneven lotus]

Their best decision rn would be to dissolve/re-sell Bungie, sell Marathon and work on a Destiny 3.

[dusty thorn]

im tryna play warframe but its so overwhelming man

[smoky vigil]

Sell it to Ubisoft

[mystic monolith]

someday you’ll be scamming ppl for prime sets

[charred lance]

Best decision would be to gut management and then do that

[neat orchid]

horizon hunters comes from a time where they had different management at playstation and like 15 live service games in dev, all that blew up and they have canned most of them. the only survivors are things that are too far along like marathon, horizon and fairgame

[uneven lotus]

A handful of the good people from old Bungie are hired under Sony Interactive now anyway, no?

[charred lance]

8 years and its gonna be concord 4

[smoky vigil]

@bungie I promise if they surprise drop D3 we will go ape shit

[neat orchid]

id imagine the massive failure of making like 15 live service games with exactly one hit has also contributed to them not wanting to spend rn on a destiny 3

[robust grove]

Not if it’s like rising we won’t

[charred lance]

Ironically its the only one that would be successful

[vagrant lava]

I actually bought D2 pre order and have been robbed, Destiny 2 doesnt even have a Campaign anymore. It was "Sunset" with the rest of my DLCs i paid $100 for.

[smoky vigil]

Omg rising is a beautiful piece of garbage

[robust grove]

Don’t get me wrong I want a d3 but if they’re not gonna do it right just keep it vaulted and save us the heartbreak tbh

[neat orchid]

i think this "the next concord" shit also makes them less likely to greenlight new expensive live service games

[smoky vigil]

Remember the steam sale

[charred lance]

It’s very clear what constitutes a concord and what doesn’t. At least to players.

[abstract escarp]

nah bungie devs pitched d3 numerous times

[neat orchid]

its not a guarantee, remember destiny 2 has been bleeding money for years now. D3 could also do the same thing and they dont really want that to happen

[neat orchid]

and we have no clue what those pitches were

[uneven lotus]

I miss when games like this were made out of passion, not money

[neat orchid]

we dont know what bungie wants to do and how expensive it might be

[worthy trellis]

all they had to do was not make marathon. they kinda bet the house on that doing really well and it didnt

[neat orchid]

marathon wasnt really meant to be a house bet id imagine as well

[vagrant lava]

yeah @smoky vigil

[neat orchid]

id assume the plan wasnt really to stop D2 completely and make only marathon

[worthy trellis]

its pretty baffling lol

[velvet granite]

I don’t think anyone imagined an extraction shooter to do astronomical numbers

[neat orchid]

they probs planned on making both marathon and d2 at the same time

well they tried to at least

[charred lance]

It would only bleed money if it was lacking in content. This is how most of the live services that did have promise failed. Anthem being an example. The problem is all these shareholders/companies want huge returns for no effort. A compelling IP and artistic vision with content equals success.

[neat orchid]

thats not the only reason these things bleed money, they can also become giant messes like D2 became that dont attract new people at all

thats bad for games like this

[smoky vigil]

I dunno I don’t think bungies version of arc raiders was the way to go

[vagrant lava]

Im sitting here thinking they gonna announce D3 and they come out there with an extraction shooter. I was mad as hell

[charred lance]

D2 cut corners at every possible turn and you know it

Thats why people left it

[uneven lotus]

Releasing an extraction shooter in an era flooded with extraction shooters was a horrible idea.

Battle Royale games worked back then because they had no real sense of progression. You can just boot a new one up without losing a thing. Many extraction shooters have complex progression which players don’t want to leave behind. This is where Bungie made the mistake, in thinking it’s the same situation.

[charred lance]

Constantly reinventing the wheel, putting out half-baked seasons

[neat orchid]

yeah thats my point, any game no matter how popular of an IP can fuck up and lose money

[charred lance]

Etc

[velvet granite]

“flooded with extraction shooters” is a very generous way to put that

[dusty thorn]

do y'all like warframe for htose who tried it?

[abstract escarp]

there is like 2 mainstream ones

tarkov and arc id say

[uneven lotus]

More than enough extraction shooters lmao, enough to cover each genre

[abstract escarp]

arc isnt really an extraction shooter tho

pve looter shooter ngl

[charred lance]

Only if you don’t treat the goose with respect. Is my entire point. Its not hard to just actually do your job and respect the playerbase.

[neat orchid]

its an extraction shooter

[abstract escarp]

with how the playerbase treats it, it is not

[velvet granite]

It’s very hard to when the people who need the respect can’t give respect because respect doesn’t make them short term money

[vagrant lava]

@abstract escarp really the whole premise of the game is drop in, loot, EXTRACT LOL

[uneven lotus]

It has glaring problems as bad as Destiny did, except the community has toxic positivity instead so it never gets fixed. Main gripe is how everything has daily/weekly timegates and multi-day crafting timers.

Destiny community knows when their devs fucked up. WF community doesn’t.

[neat orchid]

the game mechanically is an extraction shooter, you make a class from the items you own, spawn in, try to get loot by finding it and killing people and exfil with the items you got before dying and losing it all

thats an extraction shooter

[abstract escarp]

killing people....arc players dont kill bro

[worthy trellis]

i honestly think it might have been, from higher ups. pretty sizeable budget, sony fully committing to it despite underperforming and the 560m impairment, idk.

pretty baffling stuff

[abstract escarp]

they hold hands and fight arc

[velvet granite]

except people hardly ever kill anyone

[charred lance]

Its meh. Cool story but its boring not after long

[neat orchid]

oh yeah its a big budget but im assuming they wanted d2 and marathon to go on and make money at the same time

[vagrant lava]

@abstract escarp JUST STOP, you literally rage baiting lol are you reading what your typing lol

[neat orchid]

this doesnt take away from the fact that it is an extraction shooter?

[abstract escarp]

ive played arc btw, i know what it plays like

[dusty thorn]

ah same, i was wondering if it gets better later on 🙁

[abstract escarp]

it has literally turned into a pve looter shooter at this point

[worthy trellis]

then why dont they lol, i dont understand
destiny had more planned, already almost completed content, why not just wrap it up with a fully fledged update, instead of abruptly pulling away, and rake in some cash?

[velvet granite]

it does because like half the whole point of an extraction shooter is the tension of not knowing whether you’re going in to die by another player

[charred lance]

Idk how many hours you have but after 700 i couldnt bother anymore

[vagrant lava]

i have a friend with 2k knocks he only PVPs on Stella Montis the PVP area tf are you talking about lol are you high rn, @abstract escarp

[velvet granite]

when like 90% of the games are just pve, it really doesn’t become one

[neat orchid]

because that would cost more money and they just want to cut losses and focus on one game for now

[velvet granite]

Becomes more like minecraft, except you can’t pick up yo shi after you die

[abstract escarp]

why mad? im right

[dusty thorn]

I have like 50 so far lol

[abstract escarp]

you dont have to get upset

[worthy trellis]

id get it, if the game they were focusing on actually performed at launch 😭 i just wish i could see inside some of their heads

[uneven lotus]

Honestly the endgame is basically the same as the early game, just with bigger numbers and the same objectives.

It doesn’t have Destiny’s complexity with stuff like raids and dungeons. PvP (Conclave in Warframe) is basically deserted too.

Also the space between the power floor and power ceiling is way too wide. Change 2 things about your build and you go from hitting 6000 damage to 6 million

[buoyant furnace]

a lot of the budget for marathon came from the numerous revisions that came about internally, however the continued costs of maintaining and developing are going to much cheaper compared to destiny

[vagrant lava]

im not mad @abstract escarp 😭 i just hate when people talk and dont know what they talking about lol

[velvet granite]

“Only PvPs on Stella Montis”, yeah that’s the issue, people only go there to PvP because they don’t do it anywhere else

[abstract escarp]

you sound mad bro

[worthy trellis]

will it be cheap enough to print money with 10-25k playerbase tho?

[buoyant furnace]

do you believe steamcharts is everyone who plays in a given day

[worthy trellis]

no

[dusty thorn]

ah thank you, i might just stop if its pretty similar to end game

[worthy trellis]

i inflated those numbers beyond steamchart

[buoyant furnace]

okay so you're obviously lying to me right now

[abstract escarp]

its end of season rightt now

[buoyant furnace]

because that is the basis of your argument

[abstract escarp]

PLEASE do not use steamchart

[worthy trellis]

i didnt use steamchart tho?

[vagrant lava]

ARC Raiders is a premium, third-person PvPvE extraction shooter developed and published by Embark Studios. Released on October 30, 2025, the game is available for $39.99 on PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X/S, Windows PC, and NVIDIA GeForce NOW. @abstract escarp thats from google cant post screenshots

[velvet granite]

[abstract escarp]

nuh uh, pve looter shooter

[vagrant lava]

😭

[uneven lotus]

What I will say is this:

Have a look at endgame yourself, see what it looks like. Also doesn’t cost anything for you to try it too, you could end up liking it. While I personally dislike Warframe, I still believe every game is worth trying.

[vagrant lava]

@abstract escarp you alright with me bro lol

[abstract escarp]

huh

[vagrant lava]

you good im not mad we chilling

[buoyant furnace]

you're just making shit up, gotcha

[abstract escarp]

nah you sound mad and its okay to express your feelings

but you have to know when you are wrong

and its okay to admit it

[vagrant lava]

a little but im good 🤣

[abstract escarp]

thats the first step

[errant forge]

premium bait

[uneven lotus]

So anyway Destiny’s done, when Silksong DLC lmao

[velvet granite]

soon™

[vagrant lava]

i know im not wrong go Google it for yourself you will get the same thing

[uneven lotus]

If we get a 3rd hollow knight game before Destiny 3 gets announced I’ll genuinely crash out

[abstract escarp]

d3 is never happening slawg

[vagrant lava]

@abstract escarp now that is the truth lol

[abstract escarp]

yeah ik cos im always right

[errant forge]

If destiny comes back it’ll be in like 15 years and be a reboot

[uneven lotus]

Tbf developing Destiny 3 will cost exactly the same as Sony developing one of their 15 live-service games from scratch, except they have both a loyal playerbase and a solid foundation to work on. If they did it for an unproven flop like Concord, they can do it for Destiny.

Again, biggest difference is that Destiny has time and time again proven itself as a franchise.

[velvet granite]

unproven flop??

[vagrant lava]

If the CEO would stop buying so many cars they would still be an independent company. The CEO is F$^$&#^^^ up the bag

[abstract escarp]

he left bro

after getting his paycheck he fucked off

[vagrant lava]

damn

[neat orchid]

a big difference is that they also arent doing anymore big live service games, they kinda stopped making them after the mass cancellation

[uneven lotus]

What I mean is that Concord had no reputation or achievements to speak of. It wasn’t a proven IP, and it turned out to be a flop.

[neat orchid]

id imagine if they want to do another one in the future they will probs do a destiny but for now it sounds like they dont want to make any new ones

[uneven lotus]

I do have to hand it to Bungie for managing to scam Sony like that, it’s genuinely impressive

[neat orchid]

yeah bungie was a huge scam

[vagrant lava]

Dont worry Titanfall 3 is coming soon

[neat orchid]

i doubt this means we will never see another one again or anything but i wouldnt be surprised if they just want to focus on one game for a bit and come back to a potental destiny later on if the ideas good enough

[uneven lotus]

How can one sweet-talk themselves up to being worth 3.4 billion with only one running game lol

[proud aspen]

while that was one of the nails in the coffin, it was hella impressive

[neat orchid]

5 "games" in development and live service experience helped lol

[rotund island]

can you flawless a dungeon if someone else boots it up and leaves?

[proud aspen]

i believe so

[vagrant lava]

yall forget Bungie created Halo right even though they sold it its still from them

[uneven lotus]

Fr like bro what games 😭

Did they not run a background check or smth?

[proud aspen]

25 years ago

[rotund island]

it does say complete encounters solo so i believe so too as long as they leave

[vagrant lava]

and people still play it today heavily one of mt bros thats all he plays is Halo Infinite

[proud aspen]

you are correct

[clear mist]

These ppl I was raiding w told me

it will cost 5 euros

For the whole game

On June 9th

Every campaign

Everything

[grave quest]

not gonna be that low

[clear mist]

Those liars

[earnest pier]

Anyone wanna do vespers host? :>

[vagrant lava]

they had a sale like that b4 all dlcs for 6 bucks

[earnest pier]

I can carryyyy ^ 3 ^

[grave quest]

did not

[mellow aspen]

by carry u mean I can afk

[grave quest]

was all but newest year for 7 bucks

not lower

lowest all dlc ever went was like 30 total

[proud aspen]

my guess is 70

[vagrant lava]

@grave quest oh im sorry you must be on console lol

but they did it was a few months ago

[neat orchid]

well they were actually working on 5 games

[proud aspen]

for all dungeon keys and all dlcs including the newest it's not gonna be lower than 50.

[neat orchid]

its just that i think 3 were cancelled, one was given to someone else and one was marathon

[neat orchid]

yeah i think 70 for all content seems likely

not bad i guess

[vagrant lava]

Im sorry i was wrong it was all dlcs except Renegades and edge of fate just checked my wayback machine

[turbid pond]

Can anybody help me with the rest of my lightfall campaign

[vagrant lava]

Let me guess Calus putting BTA huh @turbid pond

[turbid pond]

No

I'm lonely 🥺

[vagrant lava]

😭

[turbid pond]

I'm almost finished

[dense lodge]

Yeah which is what I was saying. Sry for late reply I had work.

[sand carbon]

Guys im coming back to destiny after leaving since final shape. Is graviation lance still good?

[hard patrol]

Always had been

[sand carbon]

Uhm, what changed? I know power levles changed, but thats it

[sinful terrace]

New gear is better than old gear

Portal

The game is shutting down

[hard patrol]

Armor and weapons all tiered now

[sinful terrace]

But not the servers

So you haven’t missed much

[sand carbon]

Yeah, i heard its going eos

[sand carbon]

So i heard, ill check after finals

[sinful terrace]

We are getting a huge update on June 9th

[sand carbon]

Should i recraft my armor amd stuff?

[sinful terrace]

You cannot craft armor

[dim crow]

Does the destiny 2 legacy collection 2025 give you all of the content dlcs unlocking all raids and dungeons or are there more that it doesn’t include?

[sand carbon]

Wait what? Did i get mixed up with weapons?

[sand carbon]

Pretty sure from what i heard

[dim crow]

Okay perfect thank you

[turbid pond]

Can anybody help me with the lightfall campaign

[elder dragon]

I love going into the vanguard alert and being unable to kill a barrier champion bc with their shield up their weak spot is covered bc they crouch and my handcannon physically doesn’t do enough to break the shield

[lofty minnow]

Yeah that's why we usually prefer Specials for Barriers

[lofty minnow]

No, but there's a full package deal coming out shortly as per the recent bungie.net post

[abstract escarp]

primaries have been bad for a while

[dim crow]

Thank you very much

[turbid pond]

Can anybody help me with the lightfall campaign

[maiden meadow]

;lfg

[primal mango]

Looking for more players?
Check out #looking-for-group for links to our LFG channels, and further resources including:

• Fireteam Finder (in-game LFG, available in the Roster tab or when launching an activity)
• Destiny 2 LFG Discord
• Renegades LFG Discord (Requires Renegades DLC)
• D2Checkpoint
• Reddit's r/Fireteam
• Reddit's r/DestinySherpa

[wet star]

so are they still continuing work on destiny rising?

[wraith ginkgo]

who is they

[wet star]

the bilderberg group

bungie, who tf else

[wraith ginkgo]

bungle doesn't work on rising?

[wet star]

really?

well then is NetEase going to be continuing rising?

[left thorn]

can u still get palindrome rn?

[heady grotto]

Rising fucking sucks anyways

[frozen karma]

No

[frozen karma]

P2w destiny wow what a crazy good concept

[wind garnet]

WHY DO THE KARNSTEIN ARMLETS NOT WORK WITH SWORDS? IT FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD

[wet star]

its bout as fun as d2 ngl

[frozen karma]

Just use glaives

[lofty minnow]

Swords don't count as melee, they count as weapons.
Melee perks don't mesh with 'em.

[wind garnet]

yeah, but it still feels like they should work with swords, maybe make the karnsteins less useless

[proud cape]

swords are weapons :)

[lunar kettle]

…since when?!

[proud cape]

since always

[lunar kettle]

Wow

[wind garnet]

glaives are weapons

[heady grotto]

Definitely not

[lunar kettle]

I thought they were cutlery :(

[frozen karma]

Since yo mama

[proud cape]

ik, sorry to be the bearer of bad news

[lofty minnow]

3000 BC, I reckon

[lunar kettle]

I’ve been using a sword as a steak cutter :(

[proud cape]

they made glaive melees count as regular melees though

[wraith ginkgo]

make no ammo sword count as unpowered melee

[frozen karma]

No they used unga bunga sticks back then

[lofty minnow]

Once upon a time they also didn't count for the perks either

[lunar kettle]

Im gonna ask my girlfriend for permission to be mad at you (if I don’t ask first I think she’ll be mad at me)

[lofty minnow]

They only do now due to popular demand

Since glaive melee is
Mid

[lunar kettle]

She said to call you awesome

@frozen karma you’re awesome

[proud cape]

also just to be pedantic, you use the melee key to melee with glaives, but you use the shoot key to attack with a sword 💅

[frozen karma]

You too (i dont have a girlfriend so i asked chatgpt)

[lunar kettle]

Very fair

[wet star]

"shit aint nearly as good as poop" 🗣️

[lunar kettle]

I love my girlfriend
I don’t need chatgpt or google
My girlfriend knows everything

[frozen karma]

Is your girlfriend sir gideon ofnir, the all knowing?

[lunar kettle]

No
I actually let my girlfriend beat me

I don’t let Gideon

[frozen karma]

Hey that poop was once a 3 pound wagyu steak

[lunar kettle]

Back when I played Elden ring I just used azure comet and ended him

[fading fox]

Can some one help me with the traversing the chasm quest im a new player to destiny and ive been stuck for over an hour cant jump properly im a warlock

[frozen karma]

What if he azur comets you back

Would it be a dragon ball fight

[lofty minnow]

Warlock jumps are momentum based. It's a glide, going by the speed and direction you were moving when you activated it.

We have a little image at the bottom of #❓destiny-questions pins for reference

[lunar kettle]

I didn’t get to see

[heady grotto]

ig

nobody hates their game more than d2 players

[frozen karma]

Yeah i usually kill gideon before he finishes his monologue

[umbral geyser]

That new aztecross video damn 😭

[frozen karma]

Another crash out?

[lunar kettle]

Yeah

[umbral geyser]

Wild crash out

[frozen karma]

Ah i knew youd co- great enemy felled

[proud cape]

yeah i also kill people before they're done talking to me

[umbral geyser]

He announced he’s not gonna go anywhere near marathon ever again and basically publicly ruined his working relationship with Sony and Bungie lmao

[frozen karma]

Well they did kill his job basically so valid

[abstract escarp]

ngl im actually itching to do a tdp

i want the warlock robes which i havent been able to get to drop for the life of me

[umbral geyser]

Honestly yeah I agree, might be a little harsh the way he worded it but it’s valid

[abstract escarp]

who?

how aztecross

[umbral geyser]

Aztecross

[rugged hawk]

real

[umbral geyser]

Said “destiny is objectively the better game” and just absolutely went off on one lmao

[left thorn]

anyone know if u can still farm palindrome

[deep maple]

can bungie make lfrs good again

[frozen karma]

Never

[pearl pecan]

is my sub machine gun supposed to reload itself if i have peacekeepers equipped

[frozen karma]

Cant say hes wrong

Its the far more valuable and beloved game

[umbral geyser]

Marathon isn’t bad it’s just niche, and it’s genuinely insane to bet that much money and entire company on it

[deep maple]

[lofty minnow]

Ah yes
The entirely different game genre is objectively better

[umbral geyser]

Should have made it cheaper and had it run along side Destiny, there was always a place for both games to exist since they’re so different

[frozen karma]

Its the same studio so i get the comparison

[mystic monolith]

stow it

[lofty minnow]

It was meant to run alongside it but Bungie.... Well, they failed, to be blunt.

[neat orchid]

i dont think its as much that they want to bet it all on marathon, i think its more that they were losing too much and had to stop making stuff for the one that loses more money

[frozen karma]

Its quite obvious layoffs are coming and thats why they had to let go one of the games

[neat orchid]

yeah they need to lose less money

its not that marathons the hit new thing and they want to bet it all on that game

[umbral geyser]

Oh yeah they obviously didn’t plan for it. Logically though choosing marathon over it is weird, BUT I think it’s just a sunken costs fallacy thing where they spent so much money on marathon that they need it to do well

[neat orchid]

that and it def cheaper to maintain if i had to guess

costs less and its newer so they're focusing on it instead of the game that doesnt get new players at all and would cost too much to fix

[umbral geyser]

I get that people are trying to just show that Destiny is worth the money to invest into, but these corporate suits just don’t care and will always chase trends. Or what they think are trend ie extraction shooters

[frozen karma]

Well we all know sony doesnt give 2 shits how beloved an ip is

Theyll pick the one that they think will profit more everytime

[lofty minnow]

I'm not sure if upper management in Bungie cared either if I'm honest

[umbral geyser]

The thing is, marathon won’t profit. But they probably have no choice now as it’s too late. They’re cooked.

[neat orchid]

yeah nether marathon or destiny were profiting that was the issue

[frozen karma]

I heard d3 was being pitched before tfs launched and they refused

[umbral geyser]

Unless they have some miracle turn around with marathon, which would involved completely changing the game and genre since extraction is so niche and has such a low ceiling of interest, they’re gonna be cooked imo

[neat orchid]

i think they know its cooked and everything really comes down to them turning it around (doubtful) or greenlighting something else that shows promise

[umbral geyser]

In an ideal world they would have not wasted time on 5+ incubation projects years ago and just worked on maybe marathon and d3

[lofty minnow]

Well...
Once we remove the rose tinted glasses, Destiny has been a poorly maintained game for years and has been a massive hurricane of controversy for an ever increasing list of issues

[frozen karma]

Thats just unrealstic and quite frankly impossible within a short timeframe

[lofty minnow]

So I'm not really surprised

[umbral geyser]

Yep spot on

[neat orchid]

yeah both games arent in a good spot, they didnt stop working on d2 because it was in too good a spot or something

d2 and marathon are in bad spots

[lunar kettle]

I return

[neat orchid]

its not like ones a money maker and ones a money loser

[frozen karma]

Laying off their best devs after a great expansion does that

[umbral geyser]

Destiny has had issues but it’s always been a huge IP. But a couple specific recent ish events did it in imo. Lightfall flopping when interest was at an all time high, and then this year of content destroying the core of the game with the portal and the content just sucking in general

[neat orchid]

id assume after year one of marathon is done they will either have turned it around and made it a success or greenlight something else (or the 3rd option of shutting down bungie)

[neat orchid]

lay offs arent why its in a shit spot

years and years of mismanagement are why

[umbral geyser]

I kinda agree with what Paul Tassi said ngl. I think the brand name of bungie is too big to shut down, they might keep it around but with massive layoffs

[frozen karma]

Its a big enough reason to point fingers at

[lofty minnow]

Definitely a huge IP, yeah, but I reckon Sony just lost faith in Bungie's ability to handle it

[neat orchid]

oh yeah they really really dont want to shut it down clearly

[umbral geyser]

This too

[frozen karma]

That too of course along with unrealstic expectations from executives and shareholders

[neat orchid]

thats why i think after marathon its probs likely that they make a new destiny (under sonys control of course)

[umbral geyser]

If I’m being realistic. I genuinely do not think we are ever getting D3, or at least not until like PS7

They clearly don’t want to invest the money and they’re not gonna change their minds anytime soon

[frozen karma]

They could hand it off to another studio but who would it be?

[umbral geyser]

Then even if they ever do decide to do it, it’ll be 5/6 years to make the game

[neat orchid]

with destiny its not even fully that, the game was just fucked with too much and became a disaster. it might be the worst game for new people to get into. they have repeatedly messed with it and made the situation worse

[umbral geyser]

I’d genuinely rather not get a D3 then have another studio do it, might be a hot take

[neat orchid]

like its not a surprise that destiny as it is right now has been stopped, the thing that is stupid is the fact that they got here in the first place

[frozen karma]

D1 rise of iron was made by a supporting studio and it was amazing

[umbral geyser]

Content vaulting was SUCH a detriment to the game. It just put such a sour taste in the general gaming community’s mouth

[neat orchid]

would just be a bunch of playstation studios + bungie i guess

[ripe dirge]

idk about amazing

the campaign is like a hour long

[umbral geyser]

When you talk to non fans about Destiny they always say “oh yeah the game that removed half the content you paid for”

[frozen karma]

It did well enough

[neat orchid]

even right now try and get a new f2p player into destiny

[ripe dirge]

it was good

[neat orchid]

it cant be done

[ripe dirge]

i would just not say amazing

[neat orchid]

the games fucked up for new players rn

[ripe dirge]

its really not

[frozen karma]

It did have wrath though

[ripe dirge]

i dont get that

its the most f2p friendly and new player friendly itsrr ever been

[frozen karma]

Try the newlight quest

[umbral geyser]

Was ROI made by a supporting studio? I thought Warmind was the one entirely done by someone else

[neat orchid]

if i get destiny 2 right now with no dlc i get weird out of context tutorials, some missions from random mid life dlc and absolutely no context to whats happening at all with most of the cool stuff locked behind like 10 pay walls

[frozen karma]

Yeah bungie was working on d2 at the time

[maiden meadow]

Most of the stuff from the Activision years was made by one of their sub studios or something

[neat orchid]

the games not good rn for new poeple and hasnt been for a very long time

[ripe dirge]

the tutorials are fine

the only problem is them loadingg you into a random dlc mission

[umbral geyser]

I mean even then though, that’s bungie and a supporting studio working together. If a completely different studio got the call to make D3, they’d be able to do whatever they want with it to an extent

[frozen karma]

Also some studios helped with forsaken i think

[umbral geyser]

The tutorials are better, but the actual beginning content is booty cheeks. The new light quest is so boring

[neat orchid]

the game just doesnt work as a new game for people, its too weird now between the vaulting and system changes, if you own all the dlc sure its not as bad but thats a couple hundred dollar investment people arent paying for

[umbral geyser]

And story wise you’re missing out massage chunks

[ripe dirge]

if you want to count the beyond light campaign as the beginner content that is good

[neat orchid]

yeah

[ripe dirge]

its not a couple hundred to own all the dlcs that is just a lie

[neat orchid]

they removed so much from this game its insane

[ripe dirge]

also almost every weapon that is meta right now is f2p

[umbral geyser]

I can’t really call it thr beginner campaign because it’s not, the new light thing is the “beginner campaign”

You don’t boot the game up then get thrown into beyond light

[frozen karma]

Imagine you boot up a game and the first fucker you see is shaw han

[proud aspen]

it's almost 90 to own the two newest

[ripe dirge]

new light is not called a campaign at all

[umbral geyser]

You’d have to foot of your way to find it

*go out

[umbral geyser]

Exactly, and that’s what they start you off with it’s awful

[ripe dirge]

the entire game just went on sale for 40$

[umbral geyser]

I’ve tried getting friends into Destiny, they get one or two missions in and they’re bored from that set of missions

[frozen karma]

Then the spam of notifications that make no sense to a new player

[umbral geyser]

Back when the game started with red war it kicked off with a bit of a bang at least

[blazing bloom]

We better get some good cinematic send off atleast, explaining some stuff and what was this or that and how the game actually ends.

[proud aspen]

if you want to get someone into destiny get them D1

[umbral geyser]

They did say the update has some surprises so maybe? I’m not getting my hopes up though

[umbral geyser]

Real

[frozen karma]

Maybe if it was available on pc and had 60fps

[blazing bloom]

D1 needs a pc release, would def like to play it 4k 60+fps.

[left thorn]

can u still get palindrome?

[ripe dirge]

cant wait to play 30fps 70 fov!

With the worst campaigns possible

[neat orchid]

its right now $100 aud for the legacy collection and another 120 for the base year of prophecy

[umbral geyser]

30FPS 70FOV and it’s still the goat

[proud aspen]

old music + white title screen

[blazing bloom]

🤞🤞🤞

[frozen karma]

Its like goku with no legs and hands and muffled and blinded

[proud aspen]

you're not real

[frozen karma]

Still winning

[umbral geyser]

Destiny 1 is actually a complete game someone can play through. Destiny 2 is scattered content packs and half asses tutorials

[ripe dirge]

the entire d1 campaign does not have a story mission longer then 10 minutes

dark below is literally 2 story missions

[umbral geyser]

I’d rather play D1 vanilla over shadow keep and beyond light ngl

[frozen karma]

Quality over quantity bruh

[proud aspen]

and you can buy the entire game for 20 dollars

[ripe dirge]

the quality is dogshit

[proud aspen]

the entire game

[umbral geyser]

And edge of fate and renegades

[frozen karma]

Shadow snooze

[umbral geyser]

Edge of fate is just bad Metroid

[frozen karma]

Thats straight up wrong

[blazing bloom]

D2 also has like vaulted content we cant even have anymore. Its missing whole campaign missions which really sucks. Forsaken was great and for it to be vaulted is wild.

[primal frigate]

theres really nothing d1 does better besides being more cohesive than d2

[primal frigate]

this isnt a fault of d1, its just a product of its time

bungie was building off of what they already knew from d1 for d2

[frozen karma]

That fucking matterspark that i hate

[proud aspen]

imo the way the vibe and story is executed is far better

[ripe dirge]

yay i did the entire d1 storyline in 4 hours cant wait to farm strikes for 30 hours afterwards

just to get at light

[proud aspen]

isn't this just every single season for the last 3 years

[ripe dirge]

completely nothing like a season btw

not a single aspect of that correlated

[primal frigate]

i do personally prefer the art direction of d1 over d2 at times but thats due to me being a sucker for post apocalyptic vibes

[proud aspen]

same

[umbral geyser]

IMO here ofc:

• absolutely right it’s more cohesive
• better visual style
• better progression (i.e actually grinding through common to exotic gear which is actually rare)

[primal frigate]

d2 leans more into the fantastical aspect which is different but not worse

[neat orchid]

i did see that they give you the morph ball but worse

[ripe dirge]

destiny progression is not good

w larp

never played d1 in your life

[umbral geyser]

Seasons are actually the worst thing to ever happen to Destiny and I will always stand by that opinion

[umbral geyser]

4.7k hours

[proud aspen]

remove passes and seasons

[frozen karma]

People used to brag aboit having an exotic

[primal frigate]

i wouldn’t say better progression, being kneecapped to blue weapons/armor doesnt feel good at all

[umbral geyser]

People love throwing the word larp around these days

[proud aspen]

i have 1,800

[frozen karma]

Now i have 20 in my postmaster

[ripe dirge]

exotics are not rare in d1

[frozen karma]

Stop capping

[ripe dirge]

this is prime proof you have not played the game

[umbral geyser]

Like I said, just a personal preference. I love going through the lesser rarities to get to the good stuff lol

[ripe dirge]

pop a 3 of coins and go do a strike

you will get a exotic

[frozen karma]

No😂

[umbral geyser]

I’m talking more d1 y1 when they were so rare people thought they weren’t even real

[ripe dirge]

and every single exotic you get will be dogshit

[ripe dirge]

yes ?????

[umbral geyser]

Still better than d2 where everything is handed out except cosmetic stuff

[frozen karma]

Nah😂

[neat orchid]

i think limited content for a game like this just doesnt work

[umbral geyser]

Wdym?

Confused lol

[ripe dirge]

you log into d1

you get gjally for free

one of the only relevant exotics

[neat orchid]

seasonal stuff that goes away after the season ends

bad system

content shouldnt go away

[umbral geyser]

It’s almost like the game is over and there’s no reason to make people grind for stuff anymore

[proud aspen]

yeah but to make it work past being a new light you have to grind for extremely rare materials to infuse it

[ripe dirge]

no you jdont????????

[umbral geyser]

I’m talking about WHEN IT WAS THE ACTIVE GAME

[primal frigate]

wasnt iron gjallarhorn a pre order bonus

[ripe dirge]

its just from the dlc now

you log in and do the quest

you get it at light level

[umbral geyser]

Yeah it was a pre order bonus but I think you couldn’t use it until you unlocked the actual gjallarhorn

[proud aspen]

yeah you still can't

[ripe dirge]

w lies

you JUST do a quest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA6T_reuMyU

[umbral geyser]

Yes and that’s how most exotics in d2 work, which is bad

[proud aspen]

holy shit what is your obsession with despising D1

[ripe dirge]

w topic change

[primal frigate]

tbf you need to be at rise of iron light to do the quest

[ripe dirge]

given to you for free

[proud aspen]

topic change?????

[primal frigate]

its not like you’re gonna be level 10 and have a year 3 gjallarhorn slinging rockets around

[ripe dirge]

lets say you are coming to d1 right now
you log in and get boosted to light level for rise of iron
you complete the campaign in 2 hours tops
do the 20 minute quest for gjally

[umbral geyser]

I’m ngl I think you’re just arguing in bad faith. It’s very clear you don’t know what you’re talking about and are just using buzzwords like larping to try and appear like you’re knowledgable on the topic

[neat orchid]

if they do make a 3rd game i hope its not as focused on imited time seasonal things

[ripe dirge]

i am providing proof for every single thing i have said

you have been completely lying about how destiny 1 works

i literally sent a guide on how to get iron gjally that proved me correct

[proud aspen]

sure. but what's the issue with that? the game hasn't been active for 7 years. that shit wasn't possible when it was alive

[frozen karma]

And in destiny 2 you buy a pass and get enough things to buy the best legacy exotics

[umbral geyser]

You are not reading what I’m talking about properly. I’ve said multiple times I’m talking about exotic rarity when it comes to Y1 of D1 and even then, the rarity is still better in d1 Y3 then d2 where it’s all handouts

[ripe dirge]

lie!

[umbral geyser]

I am literally in the middle of a d1 replay rn lmao

[primal frigate]

this does also include the usage of the spark of light though, which is a bit different compared to actually doing the content the way its meant to be played

[ripe dirge]

lie!

[ripe dirge]

its not just the spark

if you own roi

[neat orchid]

i do think that d2 makes exotics a bit too easy to get and that makes them not super special

[frozen karma]

Have fun king

[ripe dirge]

there will be a option to start the campaign and skip TKK

[umbral geyser]

TY it is very fun, just finished TTK

[proud aspen]

i just got to the moon, replaying with my dad and my uncle

[primal frigate]

different sandbox, exotics are the centerpiece of builds now and to make them hard to access would make the game feel very clunky

[ripe dirge]

the average destiny 1 exotic is borderline useless

[umbral geyser]

Yeah with the way d2 works it wouldn’t work anymore. Personally I preferred the way d1 worked where it was more about thr weapons than the build

[proud aspen]

because the balancing of the game isn't reliant on exotics for builds to be usable

[ripe dirge]

the weapons being scouts

and hand cannons

[primal frigate]

i loved my fever and remedy

[ripe dirge]

you get a single scout with ep

and you have the best primary in the game good luck!