#Rejected / Archive all package related channels

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terse pecan
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We do have a restructuring topic here which kind of was accepted but never enforced. I wish we could actually do that and restructure things

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#1019646242709569617 and #general is where people ask questions, so other channels are less frequently used or visited

polar dome
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Yeah, mixed feelings about this. I wouldn't say less activity means we should just scrap them. Less activity could also mean they're just used less, or there are less issues. Like the telescope channel, there's not much activity, but the package also is pretty self-explanatory and I don't see many telescope questions in help or general either. There's quite a few channels that are being used imo; breeze, the cashier ones, fortify, envoyer/forge, internals, jetstream. Probably the most active one being nova. Meta isn't really active either shrug And then there are channels that are more active at certain times, such as laracon and meetups. We're still limited to the amount of tags we can add to a forum channel, and the direction of multiple forum channels seems like even more of a mess

crude venture
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IMO, every first party package deserves its own channel, because this is a Laravel community and it just makes sense to display that.

I'm against the css/js, gaming and such channels. There are communities out there for that, if people have Node questions or whatever, this isn't the place to expect help.

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Like Robert said, people might just not use those things or are very self explanatory

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I don't use Breeze, so I don't care about that channel or provide support for it (sorry).

polar dome
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Not every message in help gets a response, not every message in general gets a response either. You're not guaranteed to get a response

crude venture
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It's also important to remember all help here is free of charge, it's not our job to let every question get an answer. It sounds douchy, but in reality that's just how it is.

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Are we defensive because we give arguments against your idea?

I just agreed some channels should be archived, but there's no harm in keeping official first party channels there.

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We are though, you're arguing things are left without an answer, so we are reminding you that people are not expected to get help.

granite patrol
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Rejected / Archive all package related channels

crude venture
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Saying you help a lot doesn't change that, Martin Bean has what... 60k messages on this server? He has helped thousands, but he can't possibly help everyone

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You said "as you see I help many" - so do we... But that doesn't mean channels should be archived because questions in there are left without an answer. Not everyone can or will get help, it's not our job as stated previously.

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That said, I'm all for closing channels that are unrelated to Laravel and general community chatting like #off-topic is meant for

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Dude.. collaboration means discussing the changes proposed, not just blindly go ahead and apply them.

Stop getting so pissy about it, I half agree and disagree with you.

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We discussed your changes and you started getting pissy

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"idk why you guys are so defensive lol" - tell me again you're not just trying to complain?

terse pecan
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Lets not escalate this any further

crude venture
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Yes it's not our job to help others, we do it out of free will and time.

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Am I missing something here?

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No, but why is your argument to archive the channels because questions are left without an answer then? Both me and Robert explained why that could be, then you said we were being defensive. So I just straight up said people can't expect an answer, as it's not our job..

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And I even agreed the server channel etc. should be archived

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So did Robert..

polar dome
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I'm just providing arguments / my opinion, isn't that what this topic is about? Discuss if it's a good idea, or not?
Don't know why you're being so defensive, as if your idea is correct and any arguments are dismissed as "you reject my idea". I was saying I have mixed feelings about this. Laravel is a large ecosystem, consolidating everything into a single channel doesn't sound to me like a good idea. Your argument is "everyone should get help", I don't see how consolidating everything should promote better help tbh.

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Oh, the message I replied to was deleted, nice..

granite patrol
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I never said anything like "everyone should get help". If you want think so it is your right.

Even I never said that you should delete or change something. It was idea and it is okay to say "we are okay with that we have inactive channels where members expect to get help but not getting it because it is not so comfortable for many users to check each channel for possible questions from other members"

Instead you trying to say everything except just normally anwer 😄

crude venture
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You did though when your argument was questions were left without an answer.

granite patrol
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You are not even trying to accept the idea that something might and started changing meaning of my words saying things like you are saying rn.

granite patrol
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However, I don't really care from now, sorry guys. Leaving this discussion.

crude venture
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No.

Robert said there's a limit of tags.

I said it makes sense to have first party package channels.

You said "but people are left without an answer".

We explained why.

You didn't agree.

We explained either.

"Idk why you guys are so defensive".

Sorry? We are coming with arguments as long time members.

You get pissy, delete all messages and act like we are pricks for not just blindly agreeing with you.

crude venture
granite patrol
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Sorry for bother you guys. My fault. I shouldn't been suggest anything here.

crude venture
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"I don't really care"

starts arguing
deletes all messages
comes back to continue

Pretty much child behavior

polar dome
# granite patrol I never said anything like "everyone should get help". If you want think so it i...

We were saying that your idea might not help either. Instead of x channels you'd then have a single channel with x amount of threads, many more threads consolidated in a single place. That's just moving the problem imho. That was my POV, instead you took it as an attack on your idea. You'd also be mad if I just said "don't think it's a good idea" without any arguments, and I didn't say it wasn't a good idea, I had mixed feelings about it. That's why I presented arguments, so you could counter them why it still might be a good idea. Isn't that what discussions are about, instead of a single-sided story?

granite patrol
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Sorry Robert for bothering you.

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Sorry Jorquensen.

crude venture
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It's fine, we are cool

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Your idea has some valid points, but I don't agree fully

granite patrol
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My bad. I am really selfish, child behavior, unhelpful and ungrateful member of this community.

crude venture
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As said previously

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Bruh

granite patrol
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Never gonna bother you both again. Sorry again if you feel like I was against you.

granite patrol
# crude venture Bruh

What? That's what you said. I never said anything about you, you saying this. Nice communication.

crude venture
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I have no idea what you're on about now, take a breather and come back later

granite patrol
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Treat everyone with respect

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Nice respect

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"Child"

crude venture
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Okay dude 🤣 there's just no way I can take this seriously, it's easy to act like a victim when you delete all messages removing 80% of the context to the conversation.

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Yes, you acted like a child that's a fact. Doesn't mean I dislike you as a person.

granite patrol
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I even said that I agreed with both of you and said sorry

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You cannot say sorry for shittalk

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Nice convo

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Respectful

crude venture
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Idk how stupid you think we are, a mod witnessed your original messages

granite patrol
crude venture
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Sure

granite patrol
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waiting

crude venture
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Oh right they're all gone

granite patrol
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Robert is here, you can ask him

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For any offensive message

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From me to any member here

crude venture
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I'm pretty confident Robert will agree your behaviour was childish, and is right now as well for acting like a victim for shit you started yourself

granite patrol
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Nice point