Trailmappers

[livid wigeon]

fyi i would start much smaller when starting out

this is like saying as a first map you're gonna make airborne

its just silly

do you want me to provide some references from official TM maps that ive used to great effect?

[elder moat]

most things where intended to be just background filler for the photos of the trampler (The Walker)

[elder moat]

yes please

[livid wigeon]

this island doesn't use an underlying terrain mesh. it's just scaled up prefabs that are well positioned to match up nicely

cacti can be scaled up and also slightly stretched vertically (up to like 1.5x the horizontal widths)

savannah trees and bushes are actually scaled around 2.0-2.75x everywhere
on stranded some trees can be much smaller or lowered so the leaves are only poking out of the ground

[elder moat]

how would you have done the ground one the map?

[livid wigeon]

flat redrock cliffs usually get 2 specific rock prefabs halfway poking out of them.
the flat topped one (i forgot its trailmappers name) can be scaled up and placed at angled ledges to decrease the amount of curve so the decoration cliff rocks can be added
decoration cliff rocks (the 2 types ones) never go on sloped cliffs, only flat ones

use arches sparingly to denote important areas or landmarks or to signify a path
keep note of the unevenness of the arch and ideally try to center the curve on the path
these can be scaled up almost to any scale as long as theyre roughly 1:1:1

[livid wigeon]

example of decorated redrock cliff

[livid wigeon]

i'm not sure tbh because i dont normally do that style of map, but i'd probably use desert flat scaled up ~8,8,8 or 12,12,12

mud areas use mushroom tree and Bushy/mushroom bush
mushroom bush is usually scaled around 0.7-0.9

and last thing

the grass rocks that have savannah trees and bushes should always be scaled 2,2,2 to keep the trees and bushes correctly scaled

most of these things, especially cliff decoration and scaling rules, are mostly just learned by insane amounts of practice

some examples of my latest work that uses only redrock prefabs as a base, or only desert prefabs to make entirely custom islands/cliffs

tbh, less is more when it comes to # of prefabs if you can get away with it

notice how in example 3 there are only like 10 rocks

[elder moat]

well....
that is crazy, I have only 7 in Trailmappers

and 360 in Trailmakers

[livid wigeon]

i meannnn

[elder moat]

thank you for the tips, i will try myself tomorrow on some.

can i ping you if i have more questions?

[livid wigeon]

at one point i had 96h past 2 weeks

that was at the peak of me working on maps

i think it was around 40-50h past 2 weeks in mappers

[elder moat]

can you send a link of a map you have uploaded?

[livid wigeon]

oops
(5 hours)

[livid wigeon]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3425732503
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3356556583

treasure island update is in the works btw, do you want me to forward the comparisons of those?

[elder moat]

wait i have been told that you cant make custome water

[livid wigeon]

you can't, you have to hijack another maps water

trail ocean is spawned outside of stranded

[elder moat]

how far can you go out before being teleported back?

[livid wigeon]

iirc after 15000 or 25000 on an axis

usually around 5000 or 10000 is safe for maps

but the water waves pass straight through custom stuff

so youll have really extreme waves going through your map's coastlines

[elder moat]

but a cliff would be possible

[livid wigeon]

yes, cliffs using the redrock prefabs are actually quite good

[elder moat]

i wanted to build a cliff side road that is really long that you can drive for few minutes ore that goes in a big circle

[livid wigeon]

thing is with redrock prefabs is that the top isnt very smooth so youll need to do other stuff

[livid wigeon]

image 3
see how the redrock cliffs are covered with desert prefabs? looks really really good and official imo

[elder moat]

would you use the Trackmaker mod for the roads?

[livid wigeon]

idk man

[elder moat]

one last thing how do you edit "official" maps

[livid wigeon]

i just add stuff on top of them

im not editing or removing anything thats already there

[elder moat]

do you just place stuff and hope they are in the right place when you load them in?

[livid wigeon]

sort of, i use a mod called Coordinate System for Trailmappers that displays the trailmappers coordinates of wherever you are ingame

and then i can just reexport many times while flying with Fly Mod (fly mod keeps my position) and iterate on rotation/scale/fine-tune position

[inner nacelle]

You can but it's janky. Depends what you want to do with it.

[elder moat]

Just as decoration/scenery

[inner nacelle]

I used scaled power core crates to give the water a semi-transparent surface. I also added some simple water physics. You'll find it in my Velocity Island map when you load it into Test Zone.

[blazing harbor]

Did you use wind to make things "float"

[spring oracle]

You can add a force to blueprints, no wind needed

[blazing harbor]

Wuh

Is this some coding stuff

[spring oracle]

Yup

[blazing harbor]

🥀

[livid wigeon]

@vocal oracle starting here

[vocal oracle]

is there any way to make it easier to line up blocks?

[livid wigeon]

wdym blocks

you can open the setting cog menu thing of the object and set its fine tuned position

in trailmappers settings you can setup step values and bind so for example you can increase scale by 0.1 every time

and theres camera controls so you can get up close to objects

and you can bind the fine adjustment thing so you can more finely tune position or whatever (no shit)

[elder moat]

@livid wigeon would you say this is better, and do you have any improvement ideas?

[livid wigeon]

looks amazing! is that road one scaled object or is it multiple

[elder moat]

it is build out of multiple flipped concrete walls in a strait road piece

[livid wigeon]

my only issue with it, and this is pretty minor, is that usually little bits clipping through the main decorations look kinda bad

[elder moat]

why wont it show me my saves?

and now it wont stop loading😭

[knotty lily]

Make sure your Saves folder isnt empty

Its in Documents/Trailmappers/Saves iirc

[elder moat]

it is not empty but if i create a new map and save it, it will not get saved

[elder moat]

but us saves under "D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Trailmappers Playtest\Trailmappers"

[knotty lily]

Ok cant help you then sry

[flint minnow]

i need help

how do i get custom models in my game???

(unzipd its not better (its not working aither) so how?)

gtg pls someone answer till tomorrow

[livid wigeon]

it must be an .obj file

fyi the vertex count must be under 32767 otherwise the game will take much longer to import it into the game, and it'll forcefully remove faces/vertices to fit into the limit

[unborn niche]

Tbh low poly objects for distant backrounds / unimportant terrain is nice to have bc it loads rlly fast, like i was trying out this lukla map and the altiport itself was overall well dont and then the surrounding mountains were just singular rocks made massive, the mod loaded in 3 seconds on my laptop (not built for gaming)

-# just saying smh

Also where does one acquire trailmappers i thought it wasnt out yet

[lone bane]

The storepage will say its not available, but if you click to request to playtest it will automatically grant you access

when ridicolas comes back i believe he said he'll change it from playtest to normal soon

[livid wigeon]

yeah but the entire map was like that

[unborn niche]

O ok then

[livid wigeon]

see [here](#1226065444364877835 message)

[unborn niche]

I did

Crazy ik

[livid wigeon]

ahh how do i optimize this mod. 9 bare-bones structures is enough to lag my high-end-hosting pc

are you at all decent with lua, not asking to optimize for me but to just look at my code

this is the part that lags... i think

[unborn niche]

No, i can do scatch kids tho

I'm also pretty good at forging discord messages 👍

[lone bane]

(literally 3 nested for loops)
"i think this is the part that lags"

[unborn niche]

As well as whatever this was
#blueprints message

[livid wigeon]

ye well how would you handle this

[lone bane]

oh crap mechanical blocks
am i cooked?

[livid wigeon]

i put biwis most recent workshop plane in the thing and it was only like 4% or 14% shitpost

[lone bane]

ok then i guess the weight of mechanical blocks doesnt matter that much

[livid wigeon]

im thinking as a bandaid fix to this, get the length of the blocks list and if that changes then do updates, otherwise don't do anything

[lone bane]

anyway does this even have an end i can't see the whole segment

[livid wigeon]

it does, it just skips the other checks. basically if #blocks>=10 then do the laggy shit else just say its too small and end end

[lone bane]

whats the point of you looping through SpecialBlocks, are you not able to just make a regular for loop with the length of the array

doubt it would make any real effect to performance but just

[livid wigeon]

idk

maybe

i might try it

[livid wigeon]

its fucking beautiful

the ms to update is 995 cause i set the update rate to 1/1 for reading logs

[flint minnow]

Thx for the Response but can try to explain ut in a call maybe cuz im Bad in english

[flint minnow]

@livid wigeon

when its a obj file its getting to a 3D Objekt file and my game is crashing when i open a map

k its working but why no texture?

where i need to get in?

theres the issiu that its not showing ingame in Tm

[livid wigeon]

2048x2048 textures with fully setup alpha channel (7.1-8.5mb) take about 4-5 minutes to import into trailmakers

1024x1024 textures with fully setup alpha channel (~2.3mb) takes about 1-2 minutes to import into trailmakers

512x512 textures with fully setup alpha channel (~500kb) takes about 15 seconds to import into trailmakers

[livid wigeon]

if the same texture is reduced to 64 colors (~5.79mb) it takes about 3:25 to import into trailmakers

[abstract sage]

it would be so much better if the server just told everyone to download the mod from steam and enable it than directly send all of the assets over to the clients

technically even this current solution would be fine, if it wasnt limited to send so little data

[versed moat]

If it worked like gmod then yeah that’d be great

[unborn niche]

What so everyone has the map/mod and the only thing the host is sharing is player locations? That would be fire

Wait even better would be everyone broadcasting thier location to everyone

[abstract sage]

the scripts would still be exclusively server sided

[livid wigeon]

this works if the mod is on steam
what happens if it's not?

[abstract sage]

upload it to steam

[livid wigeon]

what if the mod isn't done yet

like what if for every small update I don't want to upload it to steam

[abstract sage]

the game could check if the mod is present locally first before checking on steam

[livid wigeon]

for clients?

[abstract sage]

yea

[livid wigeon]

and that isn't what I'm talking about

[abstract sage]

the game would just check if the same mod is in the client's mods folder

[livid wigeon]

as the server host I can update the mod and have it update on the server live

your solution with requiring steam is that id have to upload it to steam every time I make a change

rather than just saving the lua file and having it update instantly

[abstract sage]

the script could still update instantly

since it only exists for the host anyway

[livid wigeon]

no because you're saying the mod as a whole, which includes the lua, needs to be on steam and have every client download it- including the lua

[abstract sage]

yes it would include the lua when you download it from steam
but since the lua is not touched at all on clients, because script functionality is only server side, the only things that really matter are the assets

which i assume youre not updating live

[livid wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-26310880

i do sometimes

[abstract sage]

so, when you hop on to test, you'd either upload the mod to steam, or send the zip over to the clients who would then put it in their mods folder

[livid wigeon]

this just sounds more of a hassle than the current sluggish system

the random public people I test with aren't gonna or can be sent a zip

[abstract sage]

why are you testing with randoms

[livid wigeon]

and random public people probably won't know how to install mods

[livid wigeon]

it's a good control group for "the (roughly) average player trying out my mod blind"

[abstract sage]

well ok i guess

[livid wigeon]

plus is good for stress testing complex mods performance

[abstract sage]

could the devs at least make it so the game sends more than 2 bytes of asset data at once

and also remove the server sending the asset data to the client if said client is the host

[livid wigeon]

singleplayer still uses a internal server thing

[livid wigeon]

this is VERY VIABLE

[abstract sage]

solution: just dont this one time 🔥🔥💯

[livid wigeon]

that's way too complex for the time that modding gets

[livid wigeon]

when did you edit the emojis in

[abstract sage]

tomorrow

didnt wanna sound condescending

[inner lotus]

how do i get water in my custom map?

[spring oracle]

You code it

[inner lotus]

wdym

[untold temple]

you load it into an existing map with water

[inner lotus]

alr

[tacit rover]

i recommend dethrone map, altho you have to load it in multiplayer. just make your server 1 person only. you have the most water any map can give you

[livid wigeon]

-5000,-5000 is safe on all maps

could do -7000, -7000 if you wanted to be further from the center

on dethrone the map is at 2000,2000 so

[livid wigeon]

suggestion: clickthrough >2 objects at any given time (selecting 3 or more unique objects through each other)

[elder moat]

is it possible to create a custom mini map?

[livid wigeon]

nope, not with the official one that you open with tab

[elder moat]

any improvement ideas for the bridge?

[tacit rover]

reminds me of something i made a long long time ago #shamelessplug

[livid wigeon]

work on those cliffs 🥶

[tacit rover]

nah not really

[elder moat]

@livid wigeon can you give me feedback on the map ? I just finished the start and i will add some more stuff to make it more interesting to look at.

[livid wigeon]

i'll check this out after im done hosting

[livid wigeon]

i sense something

i think you could use those red rock prefabs i told you about earlier because using purely desert prefabs for cliffs looks bad most of the time. besides that, this is awesome!

the bridge is pure mental illness (it's fucking awesome)

the other islands out in the water are VERY good

not too sure about this though 🤣

i only rotate the desert prefabs either very little or VERY infrequently. it just looks off cause of the "grain" of the rock. but flashbulb sometimes does that too so :/

there are a couple floating plants here and there, but it's very small and way up out of the playable space so it isnt that critical

[livid wigeon]

that dont look quite right does it

[unborn niche]

Trailmappers MOBILE?!?!?! 😭

[spring oracle]

No way

[versed moat]

Don’t be a numpty and download that, Trailmappers for mobile isn’t a thing

[unborn niche]

Wasn't intending on doing so anyway

[blazing harbor]

trailmappers crashes every time i zoom out

[livid wigeon]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1820040/discussions/0/604152668461501122/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1820040/discussions/0/596271702359461524/

[unborn niche]

Wait its possible to import custom objects yes?

[livid wigeon]

yuh? no more complex than 32767 triangles or faces

[unborn niche]

Nah im just thinking that i could put an offer to the factions of trailmakers so as to re skin the shipping container so that the track can have more sponsors and not just be bland and have 3 different engine companies

[unborn niche]

Wait what type of file does it have to be?

[livid wigeon]

for models? .obj

for textures, .png

alpha channel in png is roughness, lower = less reflective

[unborn niche]

. . .

sure

ill be fine trust

Ight so i've got 2 files...

[blazing harbor]

yup

idk what the mtl is for but it comes with every .obj file

[unborn niche]

Im glad that the scale feature exists

told to send error logs

also someone will need to explain to me how applying textures work bc i tried to apply this and theres only blue and no penguin :(

oh stupid imbeds

i didnt put a virus in a swear

[blazing harbor]

you made the model in blender?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mURA2g1rOSc

[unborn niche]

nope, but i cant learn how ig

besides it had 6 faces

[blazing harbor]

oh well then i cant really help you

i only know blender

[odd sluice]

You apply the texture in blender to get the UV mapping and then apply the same texture in trailmappers and the UV map should carry over

[spring oracle]

one thing that would be cool is to make custom object packs for trailmappers using 3d modeling, like an animal pack with diverse animals, or a nature pack with trees and bushes

[odd sluice]

I have some asset packs I'm working on but they aren't TM style

[plucky flume]

having issues with the textures not working when out into trailmappers, it ends up looking like the blender result

[high palm]

Anyone make an Oi Wharf map yet?

[lone bane]

is the left side what the actual image texture looks like?

[lone bane]

make sure the UV map is set up correctly as well

[plucky flume]

im guessing thats the part that im missing

so i need to fix the uv- then take that new file into trail?

[lone bane]

you're UV is nonexistent XD

[plucky flume]

D:

[lone bane]

here's the fixed file

[plucky flume]

um so ive got no idea bout that

for future reference, how?

[lone bane]

UV editor > select all (A) > Top orthographic view (numpad 7 or click button) > UV menu (U) > Project from view (bounds)

[plucky flume]

sweet thank you

[plucky flume]

how do i change the shininess of the terrain, is it the opacity of the texture?

[lone bane]

yes alpha channel controls roughness

[livid wigeon]

rubber surface also exists maybe

[lone bane]

could that just be referring to wheels?
rubber to metal contact or something

[livid wigeon]

why wouldnt they just say wheels then

would be more readable to players

which this was for

[unborn niche]

what about friction pads?

[livid wigeon]

friction pads were not around in 2018 lil vro

[unborn niche]

i didnt see the date smh

[fallen cedar]

i cant make a new map or see my old maps in trailmappers

[high palm]

What happened to Isle of Keys? I miss this map ToT

[odd sluice]

Why is there a truck in the tree?

[atomic plaza]

it's nesting season

[odd sluice]

Seems legit

[high palm]

it crawled up there

[unborn niche]

I saw this and thought about making the isle of man TT

[high palm]

You should do that

[high palm]

please

[unborn niche]

I cant but none the less it would be cool

[median beacon]

Are there new prefabs coming sometime in the future? Need melvin

[livid wigeon]

most likely in the next update, as frans said

they plan on putting more effort to at least maintain the modding api

new prefabs and bug fixes are most likely going to be the overwhelming majority of that initial update

[tacit rover]

we would need to get Rid and Jess to import them into Trailmappers and if i manage to find some time i can try and rip them once i know which are missing and to be added

altho Rid now actually lives in real life and god knows whether he ll be available

[ruby shuttle]

I have done a small pass based on what some of you requested 🙂
But please jump in #1196793172429394050 if there is anything specific you want!

[austere aurora]

how do I fix the traction problem on elevated maps?

or maps located on models

like

why does the meshes have different grip with normal road?

and how do we fix that?

[livid wigeon]

you dont

[austere aurora]

Noooo

[austere aurora]

anyways, here's a cool poster I made on one of the maps

or tracks

[ruby shuttle]

Absolutely sick

[livid wigeon]

the colors are absolutely cracked omg

those textures look pretty good

can I have that fence please?

[austere aurora]

@livid wigeon is it possible to add transparrent png images on models?

and make it still transparent of course

and not have a white back ground

[fervent sun]

No

[austere aurora]

NOOOOO

[left latch]

how would I make this not look like the result of a productive friday night?

[livid wigeon]

have you already done a proper roughness map

[livid wigeon]

ridicolas pls fix

[livid wigeon]

Some effects show through other objects

this is part of the power core crate

[livid wigeon]

grid doesn't render as far as objects in the thumbnail

[median beacon]

for having things on non test zone maps, do you need to move it UP 300m or DOWN 300m?

[versed moat]

Test zone is higher than other maps

[lone bane]

move the object -100m down

that will be on the water level on maps

[livid wigeon]

iirc sandbox maps are -50 for sea floor

stranded is -150?

gcf is -150?

[left latch]

whats gcf?

[livid wigeon]

great carrier reef

[left latch]

ooh

[livid wigeon]

wuh

i think the game broke

i cant interact with the vehicle at all

i cant enter build mode

i cant repair

[digital lichen]

Hi. Im kinda new to this trailmappers part and have some questions. If someone could answer them it would be much appreciatet

1. How do i upload the map to the steam Workshop?
2. Is there a trick to easier make roads be connected to each other without making cars bump?
3. Is there generally some things i need to know to make the map-building-process easier?
4. Can i presave single things? LIke make a road perfectly connected to a turn and save it so i can just paste it if i want?

[knotty lily]

1. Using the Upload a mod feature inside Trailmakers, make sure to switch out the Preview.png with the thumbnail you want your map to have on the workshop
   2.not Really.
2. There are some tools that i have made that can help the map making process
   Like this RoadTool:
   #general-trailmakers message
   Or the sprinkle Tool (which i want to update soon) found on the workshop
3. No

[digital lichen]

Ah. Kk. Thx.
Are your tools mods for Trailmappers?

[knotty lily]

No they are still mods inside Trailmakers but are made with Trailmappers in mind.
The sprinkle Tool generates a Trailmappers compatible save file that can easily be integrated in your map
The RoadTool generates custom meshes which you can generate around your trailmappers map and then import them to trailmappers

[digital lichen]

Ookaay? Is there a tutorial somewhere available? 🫣😅

[knotty lily]

Not for my tools in particular but for the entire map creation process i believe so

[digital lichen]

Kk. Thx. I’ll see if I manage to use it

[knotty lily]

If you have any questions feel free to ask

[digital lichen]

Alr. Thx a lot

[digital lichen]

Wait so they are a mod i need to download from the workshop to use in trailmakers? Or can i extract the zip and start smt in there that layers in trailmakers?

[knotty lily]

The RoadTool is just another Trailmakers Mod like the ones you would download from the workshop, the only reason you cannot download this one from the workshop but have to do it manually is because workshop mods are handled a bit differently which restricts their functionality a bit

You will have to unzip the folder and place it in your mods folder.
The mods folder you can find in the sesssion options by clicking open mod folder

[digital lichen]

i see

alr. Ill give it a try rq.

[digital lichen]

Just did and doesnt show up. I restarted the game but nothing happens

Do i need to do smt else?

[knotty lily]

Can you show me your folder structure?
It should be mods/RoadTool/ and then you would have the files like the main.lua

[digital lichen]

And inside the roadtool folder is another folder with the same name. It extracted that way

[knotty lily]

Yeah thats not correct, it should only be one folder

[digital lichen]

Ah yes now it works. And now? How do i make a road?

[knotty lily]

Once the mod is enabled go in trailmakers and press G to add a point to the road, after 3 or 4 points it should show a preview of what the road will roughly look like when exported

You can use the mods ui to export the obj

[digital lichen]

k. So i just add points and then command it to generate a road and voila?

[knotty lily]

Yup pretty much

The road tile will be exported to /mods/RoadTool/data_dynamic_willNotBeUploadedToWorkshop

[digital lichen]

And itl just generate a road in one piece without any lags in the ground? Can i edit it in trailmappers afterwards?

[knotty lily]

Yeah it will generate as one solid piece, the only adjustments you can make in trailmappers are scale position and rotation

Oh and texture

[digital lichen]

Oh. Thats wucking genius. Ill just have to try it out rq. I need it to create a more interesting Great Carrier Reef Map

[knotty lily]

Play with the values inside the mod ui a bit to get the result you are most happy with

[digital lichen]

kk. I just made a road line with the points but my game crashed. If i generate a road and start a second part of it, will it connect?

[knotty lily]

Yeah but it wont completely curve with the last point of the last road segment
The road surface should still align with the last segment

[digital lichen]

Oh. Well thats unfortunate. But good enough. If not ill just fix it by adding another road inside the road in trailmappers. This is fribbing awesome. It makes building a map so much easier. Thx a lot!!

[knotty lily]

Btw disabling the preview should help a bunch with performance

[digital lichen]

kk. Noted. Im suprised my PC couldnt handle it. Isnt that weak actually.

[digital lichen]

And how do i import it from there to trailmappers?

[knotty lily]

You will need to open the custom model folder from Trailmappers

It should be located at Documents/Trailmappers/customModels

[digital lichen]

Alr. Ill check it out later on once i actually do have a road

Smooth

[knotty lily]

Adjust the snapping distance to be the same as the snap start height, and the road wont snap to ground that is below it

[digital lichen]

Ah. It can snapp to the ground. I like this mod more and more

Idk how this happend. Nope. No idea. Definetly not

[knotty lily]

lol

[unborn niche]

My best tip is to align as many axis as possible, xy and z, the use the hold shift function when moving blocks and get your camera close to make really fine movements to make it just touch ever so slightly

For roads that is

[livid wigeon]

3. there is Coordinate System for Trailmappers which shows trailmappers coordinates in trailmakers, so you can position stuff relative to existing things easier
   there is Fly Mod, which lets you keep your current (flying) position after exporting a map
   some notes:

• if you want to build maps in the same style as the pre-highseas maps, copy as much as you can from how flashbulb does things
• don't scale things too much on any axis (i'd say 3,3,3 is the limit, and 2,2,2 for the "desert" objects)
• you can export a map while it's enabled in trailmakers and it'll live update

[livid wigeon]

or you can just measure how long each piece is and then precisely modify the position in the object config so its literally perfect

^ this is what i do for scaffolding

and speaking of, i'd recommend start it at completely round positions (e.g. 102.0, 52.0, 33.0) so you can modify the values easier, and THEN move it into place

[digital lichen]

I did that. Until blockmantahampta told me about his mod. Seems easier and faster

[livid wigeon]

it's for the official road objects, not the custom mod's ones

[digital lichen]

A coordinate system definitely would come in handy. I found the stuff out until now by making a change, save, export and check with both games open.

I do want to build in the same style but I also don’t intend on adding too much. It’s just that the great carrier reef map doesn’t feature all that much roads. So I want to add a road somewhere around the island where I usually don’t fly or swim. And some objects midair to make the deathbattles with my friends more difficult

[digital lichen]

Is there a difference? I mean the mod custom ones is just a road in one piece. It probably just pulls a road in to a length and some coding aligns it to my points. Is there a disadvantage in using the mod of him?

[livid wigeon]

the only disadvantage is that it doesn't look the same as the official objects, that's all

[digital lichen]

K

[livid wigeon]

to perfectly chain the blue/gray straight road pieces is 36.615

e.g. if you have one at x 0 then the next piece goes at +-36.615 and itll be PERFECTLY lined up

[unborn niche]

Cool

[fallen cedar]

guys

my trailmappers is broken it doesnt work

i cant create or open maps

[knotty lily]

Verify integrity of files

[livid wigeon]

@fickle atlas

[white kindle]

I'll have to check this out later

[jagged prairie]

new to blender. cant figure out how to get the colors/ textures to appere in trailmappers.

[livid wigeon]

have you tried editing the object yet

[jagged prairie]

what do u mean

it just says no texture

[livid wigeon]

tell me what "no texture" means

[lone bane]

get the texture as a .png, place it in the custom assets folder.
open the settings of the custom object you want and click the texture setting and choose the texture you want

[jagged prairie]

thanks for the help. the texture in blender is like 3 things how can i make it one thing

[jagged prairie]

nevermined i figured it out. Thanks

[blazing harbor]

The object has no texture

[jagged prairie]

is it possible to make your custom model have a different material. like asphalt or sand or somthing.

[livid wigeon]

nope

[jagged prairie]

dang

[jagged prairie]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3530779359

[lone bane]

using boat race is kinda genius...

[livid wigeon]

its a shame theres like 3 of them in the game total

[unborn niche]

Wait what is it by default

[odd sluice]

I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it has a material since it doesn't have particles. I could very much be wrong

[livid wigeon]

metal

[livid wigeon]

it seems like metal but sometimes wheels make dirt sounds, sometimes they don't

[unborn niche]

So good tyre traction?

[livid wigeon]

probably

[spring oracle]

genius, never thought to use existing race island races in combination with custom tracks

[livid wigeon]

god forbid water waves be on

intense water waves = hard mode

[spring oracle]

yeah, to get the fastest times you would need to calculate when you want the water to raise

[livid wigeon]

neut would faint at the thought of rng racing

[odd sluice]

Why does that actually sound really fun

[livid wigeon]

oh god

[odd sluice]

Especially multiplayer

[spring oracle]

YES

multiplayer with water disturbing the race would be great

[livid wigeon]

make blocks be really buoyant or really negative buoyant too so if you hit water you just die

hook up a motion rig to TM as well :D

[odd sluice]

Your in the lead, nothing can stop you!!! Then suddenly your hit by a wave and all second place hears while roaring past you is "FUUUUU..."

[livid wigeon]

or the horror of clang as you get absorbed as part of the road when the negative buoyancy kicks in

literally melted

actually that could be interesting

[spring oracle]

Underwater corners with negative buoyancy would be awesome

[odd sluice]

You know we need to have wave tracks in kartmakers now right...

[livid wigeon]

mfw the entire road is blocked by a wave heading towards us

[spring oracle]

you can have a half of the track which is just low speed corners that is also submerged with negative buoyancy

[livid wigeon]

boost pads 🪦

[odd sluice]

I'm working on it

I'm also working on a system for aerial rings

[livid wigeon]

use the official checkpoint prefabs fr

[spring oracle]

i have a feeling those will take a bit to be finished

[odd sluice]

Oh I was designing rings LOL

[livid wigeon]

50 box triggers for peak circle collision

[livid wigeon]

the yellow rotating squares ring shape racing checkpoint prefabs should do you quite well, sir

[spring oracle]

you fly in such a way to trigger 5 at once and finish the race in one checkpoint

[livid wigeon]

this sounds like an amazon item name

[odd sluice]

So that my auto detect script can get em instead of needing to exclude the the TM prefab from decorating

[livid wigeon]

neut get on ts

[spring oracle]

yeah

[unborn niche]

catapult prefab

[livid wigeon]

catchapult*

[atomic plaza]

So: I’m getting back into mapping (for real this time) and I’m in the early development stages of making a spiritual successor to my last map (my it rest in permanent hiatus) Stunt Track.
I’m currently testing different possible map elements and hazards and only have a rough idea of what the layout will be.
While I’m still early in development I’d like to ask anyone who liked the previous map I made or has any interest in this:
What would you want in an ideal stunt race setting?

When I say stunt race, think most any HotWheels game (though especially Velocity X), so jumps, inversions, and explosions

[livid wigeon]

kart racing

racing using the water waves as a hazard on the road

[unborn niche]

Flame throwers are cool

[atomic plaza]

Yes they are, I could make them do damage too. Possibly by using the lava prefab, warrants investigation. If that doesn’t work I’m sure there’s someway to code damage over time

[inner nacelle]

Load the Daisy Circuit map mod into Treasure Island and make sure waves are on. Had a lot of fun with that a while back.

[lone bane]

hmm this model seems perfectly optimized

[livid wigeon]

I agree

[blazing harbor]

verticenado

[livid wigeon]

1 rotation and all of the vertices rip apart and theyre all scattered everywhere

[river slate]

how do you apply multiple textures to one model in trailmappers?

[livid wigeon]

you can't

its a limitation of trailmakers modding

1 texture per custom object

[river slate]

so how are most custom models done then?

[livid wigeon]

one texture...

like an atlas

[river slate]

I see

[river slate]

how would I go about fixing this?

(only happens when you get a certain distance away from it)

if this is a dumb question I apologize, I have no prior experience in 3d modeling

[livid wigeon]

add a singular vertex far away from the actual model. it tricks the automatic LOD system

it doesnt need to be connected to anything

[river slate]

unfortunately that didn't fix it

[livid wigeon]

maybe add the vertex way up above the model? it should work

actually, how far away did you make the vertex be?

[river slate]

I made it a fair distance off, but I'll try further and with it being above it

[livid wigeon]

how far?

and further isnt gonna help

1000m is all youll ever ever need

[river slate]

alright

[river slate]

well, I've added a vertex above it at precisely 1000m, and I'm still experiencing the same thing

[livid wigeon]

try adding a cube maybe? idk, it should work

also make sure that youre actually updating the model in trailmakers

[river slate]

I'm guessing "updating in tm" is updating the model file?

[livid wigeon]

you have to re export the map so that trailmakers picks it up. trailmappers doesnt automatically export when a model is updated

[river slate]

Yeah i'm aware

just making sure

[livid wigeon]

yeah like make sure youre actually updating the model in the map, and that trailmakers has the most recent version of the trailmappers map

trailmappers hot reloads models and textures for itself but it doesn't get automatically reloaded into trailmakers, but exporting it transfers the updates even if no objects have been modified

[river slate]

I used the node wrangler addon for the textures, and I've noticed now that the effect is only happening on one side of the model now

the problem must be related to the textures

[river slate]

Well, I think I've tried just about everything, and I just can't seem to be able to get rid of it

[inner nacelle]

Don't use a single vertex - use a single face. I use a single tiny triangle placed at least 200m below the model.

[livid wigeon]

I use a vertex and it worked just fine?

[inner nacelle]

Fair. I should have said "Maybe try using a single face instead of a single vertex"

[lone bane]

yeah i usually just use a quad it works fine

[river slate]

I believe the problem is related to the textures, I'm just not sure how

because messing around with UV unwrap somehow fixed it on one side

[hoary girder]

I saw the update for texture but how do you use them on your maps and where do you get custom models?

[odd sluice]

Well I generally use blender to model my stuff

[livid wigeon]

uhm

it was still working like normal otherwise btw

[lone bane]

[livid wigeon]

but it didnt update models when modified

and blender has frozen btw

im so cooked

[livid wigeon]

vro

ill try one more time before i afk

ofc now it works

it got ONE model load and then after trying to update it, it died

[livid wigeon]

god dude it uses 6.5gb on the main menu! thats what it uses NORMALLY

ok i cleaned out my gigantic fuckin custom assets folder and now its only 2gb in editor

[tardy cypress]

anyone know how to make models not be invisible from one side?

[knotty lily]

You need to draw the faces from both sides

Trailmakers does not have backface culling

[knotty lily]

Idk how to do that in blender tho or any other modelling software for that matter

[inner nacelle]

If you mean you want the object to be visible from the outside but not the inside then all you have to do is select all faces and flip the normals (mesh menu).

If you want it to be visible both inside and out then you need to duplicate all faces then flip the normals of those duplicated faces.

[tardy cypress]

alright, thanks

[shadow path]

another map dropped
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3555473435

[inner nacelle]

Stunning piece of work! Well done 🙂

[vivid laurel]

this looks great man, if you need extra coding help you know we got some people here

oh before i forget are you using the old dynamic time or the new one

[vivid laurel]

also there are assets that are not being sent with the subscription

@shadow path you ought to check what objects are actually supplied with the map , it hasnt loaded all objects

[shadow path]

Yeah lots of custom objects... Takes time to load in

[vivid laurel]

oh yea it does im still not done

when trailmappers gets support by the devs i think theyre gonna swap out obj support for native unity prefab support

those should in theory be faster since you convert less

(its how rocketleague handles modding i think , also uses unity)

also, would you be up if i developed a mod akin to midtown madness' cops vs robbers that one can load ontop of this map

[shadow path]

Indeed!! This will be awesome addition 😍

[vivid laurel]

aye, ill see how much i can add then, cuz this is no small map

[fervent sun]

trailmappers is never gonna get official support btw

[vivid laurel]

altereghost you and your crew made a literal beamNG map and i love it hella

i just finished looking through the entire map

idk how many objects this uses but ill try to use none if possible for the gamemode

(devs when do we get gamemode support for arbitrary maps, i think dethrone could suit this one)

[pallid wing]

i love this map, it's HUGE!
well done!!

I love the Mcdonalds and the gas stations around the map, some of the custom models look amazing
one thing i don't like might be that the map is just too big that some places are missing details. I'd say there are some hotspots around that have amazing details and some areas that are just empty. I'm guessing this is to keep things optimized (idk much about making maps, especially with custom stuff) but yeah
the twisty roads are great and i like how you made the airport terminal

[spring oracle]

i kind of want to make spa in trailmakers

[unborn niche]

It would be cool asf to have eau rouge

[lapis dirge]

There's this really weird bug in trailmappers where when you go into the settings, the sky just goes away

[lapis dirge]

Another weird bug happens when you press the home button when you're very far away

A slightly frustrating bug happens when you try to drag select multiple objects when "Focus on Selected" is enabled

It would be preferred if it focused once the mouse has been released

[shadow path]

please try your best to get a proper grip roads.....i love spa so much! we need it in trailmakers 🤩

[spring oracle]

i'm gonna use custom objects for the roads so i can get it to be smooth and not bumpy

[spring oracle]

this is the track so far

[inner nacelle]

Looking good. Looks pretty accurate.

[shadow path]

i do recognize all corners which is good. keep up the good work!

[spring oracle]

i started making spa only knowing the first 3 corners, hopefully it will be a good map

[hollow quartz]

I am hyped to see the finished version, love Spa! ❤️

[vivid laurel]

DUDU DUDUP MAX VERSTAPPEN
yeets self into the air after eau rouge

[knotty lily]

Looks really good so far.
How much detail / how accurate do you intend to give/make this map?

[spring oracle]

The plan currently is to have the track as accurate as possible with pits, fences, runoff areas, curbs, and somewhat accurate terrain

[spring oracle]

i just noticed my eau rouge is not very accurate

[vivid laurel]

-# looks like the line your average E rank gran turismo lobby player takes

[blazing harbor]

I thought you were making a Spa not spa

like the water kind

[unborn niche]

Peak map idea just dropped

[hoary temple]

Hey, Is someone down to colab with and wants to make a map with me?

[lone bane]

oh my god someone needs to do this
i have too many memories flying around the island in free flight mode

[unborn niche]

I have all the i points in all the times of day

We just dont have a sand prefab 😭

[vivid laurel]

Is anyone ready to help shoehorn the Position node system of revolt 1999 into a trailmakers mod for use of configurable races with stable positioning system and/or distance to next player in trackoriented distance

fortunately theres not too much on it but the editor they use is absurdly in detail

[granite vine]

Why are custom imported objects so reflective? is there anyhow anyway to to cahnge that?

[knotty lily]

The alpha value of the texture controls the shinyness of the object

[granite vine]

uhhh tell me in laymans terms. i used jsut a regular png texture. how do change the alpha value?

[knotty lily]

Alpha channel = transparency of your texture.
Make your texture be transparent and your object wont be reflective

[granite vine]

aha. recommend any software that can do that?

[knotty lily]

Any image editor like krita, gimp or whatever else one might use

[granite vine]

hah fair enough. my ahh made the textures in paint lol

[knotty lily]

Paint should also work, as long as you can make your pixels be transparent

[granite vine]

wait paint can do that?

[knotty lily]

Id be suprised if it cant

[granite vine]

u know mspaint right? im not seeing any option for transparency lol

[knotty lily]

Dang.
Microsoft amiright

[granite vine]

hah i mean that tool is like 12 years old now? paint.net did the trick tho

guessing no, is there also a way to make the surface look rougher? it still looks perfectly smooth

[knotty lily]

By giving your texture some . . . uhhh texture..

[lone bane]

yeah thats what i use
too lazy to learn gimp

[versed moat]

Paint.net is the way, I’ve been using it for 10 years atleast

[granite vine]

hah i mean they do, but it still looks like a flat image ontop.

either way this is good enough for me lol

wait, but does that mean you cant have textures actually be see through?

[knotty lily]

Yup

But that might change in the 'near' future

[granite vine]

trailmappers still getting updated?

anyways, what yall think of me map?

[prime rose]

Hello any reason as to why a custom model is visible in the map editor but not visible in game

[lone bane]

you might need to wait for the asset to download. it can take a little bit at first but once its downloaded once its cached and spawns much quicker later on

[prime rose]

I see, thank you

Any reason as to why the game fails to load the mesh though

Like the game tells me that its failed to load the mesh

[odd sluice]

could be a bad file or it could be way too complex LOL

[prime rose]

Wow

[tacit rover]

try to triangulate your mesh in blender and reexport. and also, what is your tri count?

[prime rose]

Will try
Around 1500

[tacit rover]

that should be within the loadable limit, must be something up with the export or the mesh itself

[knotty lily]

The trailmakers importer is very picky, so trying this should probaply do the trick

[prime rose]

How do i release an update to a map ive already put on the workshop

[knotty lily]

Go to the ingame workshop and search for your map. Select it and there should be a option to edit it

[prime rose]

Thank you

[uncut minnow]

idk what to do to fix this both textures on the charred tree and charred tree stump are broken in game but are fine in trailmappers

[inner nacelle]

There's nothing you can do. They are just broken in the game. Hopefully one day the devs will fix them.

[uncut minnow]

what happened to the dev of trail mappers?

[knotty lily]

he lost his interest in modding trailmakers and also rarely is online anymore

[uncut minnow]

i wish he would let somebody pick the project up then because it would be nice to get updates rolling out again it its just a cool program overall

[knotty lily]

i have gotten access to the project today and will take a look at it next week

i do not guarantee that i will do anything tho

[uncut minnow]

thats awesome do what you can and if not its fine you tried your best thats all that matters

i do want to see you succeed!

[odd sluice]

It would be nice. I had started on a replacement tool but if we have the actual code that would work alot quicker LOL

[lone bane]

is it even possible to transfer ownership of the game on steam at all?

[glossy acorn]

A bugfix patch is desperately needed. It has cooked itself to the point where OWP doesn't even load in the editor, and crashes on a friend's PC as well. All pointers on my end suggested that it was an issue with Trailmappers and the AMD gpu driver but now its crashing, in a different way, on Slushies PC which has an Nvidia card.

Its just cooked. Working on OWP is pretty much impossible now, been super broken since the December patch last year.

[knotty lily]

I dont think so, but he is happy to update the steam game whenever we ask for it he said

[austere aurora]

I think you guys should add a feature where you can create models with textures with transparent background

Would really help in optimizing

[knotty lily]

Thats not something trailmappers can add, thats a limitation from Trailmakers

[austere aurora]

Trailmakers has models with transparent background though

[lone bane]

nope

[austere aurora]

And there is also one in trailmappers

[knotty lily]

Yeah but not custom models

[austere aurora]

It's the model of the huge tree when you are far away

[knotty lily]

Player made models are loaded differently than the in game models

[austere aurora]

Awww

So sad

[lone bane]

the prefabs yeah, not the custom models you import

[austere aurora]

@devs do something

Jk

But honestly it would be cool to have it

Especially for these

How about adding the ability to change the transparency of a model?

[tacit rover]

they were discussing with the community about changing that a while ago. dont know how they progressed tho

it would break a lot of existing maps tho

[noble star]

how does mappers knows exacly where to place stuff to an iland like danger zone?

[blazing harbor]

thats the fun part

you dont

[deft mango]

From what I've seen, I'm guessing glass isn't possible in trailmappers? Just see through material really. I don't think I've ever seen a map with it so that's what I'm guessing

[inner nacelle]

You can try to use the powercore crate. It can work in some limited circumstances.

[deft mango]

I see

[quasi hollow]

I wanna make a giant map (as in as big as the world border), but before i start i wanted to know if its viable (or if it would be too laggy, etc.), and how should i go about making the ground itself? Any way to make a custom mesh or sth? I played around with the tool for a bit, but havent seen too many options. Also, how do spawnpoints in this work? Do i need to use a normal map for those to work? Or is testzone ok? If testzone, how would one select spawnpoints? And are there any pro tips/tricks i should know?

[noble star]

making a map too big can cause some lags and a long duration on loading (specialy with custom assets)
you can only have 1 spawnpoint, and can be rotated with only 1 axis, the direction it faces is the direction of the spawn
you can use any maps but have to deal with test zone from trailmappers
heres a tip, if you want to make a map for other than test zone, start both trailmakers and trailmappers:
in trailmakers, go in sp in the map you want and make sure to enable your mod and your map
in trailmappers, when you want to update your map, click on the menu top left hand corner and click export, it will automaticly update the map in trailmakes
make sure to save everytime you export, sometime you can't move the spawnpoint.

i awnsered to only what i know

[quasi hollow]

thanks a lot! is the 1 spawnpoint issue a trailmakers or a trailmappers limitation? if trailmappers, then worst case scenario, i just go and add multiple spawns myself. it just feels like the normal maps are way too empty (or way too small for the world border that they have), with the exception of the space sector, although that has the issue of being in space, with no atmosphere, no ground, and no gravity

[noble star]

you can only have 1 spawn point as i said i think

[quick timber]

I have begin making a rather large map full of lots of different things including a hunt for different kind of chirpos in cave a (maybe more) custom f1 tracks (confirmed with a f1 nerd to likely be good) and more

[lone bane]

i think its a trailmappers issue, you can just make a custom loader with a spawnpoint system if you want

but remember exporting from trailmappers always overwrites the lua file so, maybe do it near the end

[noble star]

it's possible to have multiple spawn points?

[knotty lily]

You would need to handle all the spawnpoint logic yourself

[lone bane]

not through trailmappers, but manually

[deft mango]

would it be possible to make a custom dethrone map?

[quick timber]

You could build a map around the one that’s already there

[deft mango]

yeah, but would it be possible to make another map altogether with the dethrone game mode

[lone bane]

yeah

[noble star]

if you mean making a map out of nothing, i dont think you can unless you're using other mods

[quasi hollow]

that is awesome! guess now i gotta learn how to use trailmappers effectively, and gotta start making a 15x15km map

[inner nacelle]

Yep as AJ said you just need to make a custom loader mod for your map.

You can have as many spawnpoints as you like and have a custom menu for them as well.

I did this in my maps (Velocity Island & Asphalt Valley) so feel free to use/edit my custom launcher if you want (I simply hacked the Trailmappers loader anyway).

[tacit rover]

7500 meters from 0, 0, 0 origni point is the distance to world border on any map. after that is respawns you

[prime rose]

Question:
If i make a map on trailmappers then use track creator plus mod in trailmakers to layout tracks,

1. will i be able to save the version with tracks
2. will i be able to edit the version with tracks on trailmappers later

[knotty lily]

track creator plus saves its tracks in a different format than Trailmappers saves its maps, you can probaply "translate" the trackcreator save file into a compatible format for trailmappers but this would probaply be a very manuall process unless you write a little script that does this for you.
But i dont actually know much how trackcreator handles saving tracks so best ask @inner nacelle

[prime rose]

Thank you

[noble star]

how do i upload maps on the workshop

[last viper]

any tech support goats in here, having trouble uploading my map

[knotty lily]

show your mods directory and ensure that its spelled right in the upload form

[last viper]

before It was just saying error so I changed the file name, Im wondering if thats what made this issue so I deleted the file in trailmakers and re-copied it over

still dont know if it will upload x.x about to test

[last viper]

same issue

[knotty lily]

I believe the directory you have enterd is wrong, show a image of what your mod folder is called and make sure it has a main.lua file in it

[knotty lily]

yup thats incorrect

you need to press "export" inside of trailmappers (top left)

then inside of trailmakers go to the session settings and press open mod directory (atleast i believe thats what that button is called) there should be a folder with the same name as your map there

[knotty lily]

have you opend the mods directory from inside of trailmakers?

[knotty lily]

ok then it might be that there are empty spaces inside of the folder name im not sure

or the '

[last viper]

so cut them out, save and export and try again?

[knotty lily]

yes

[last viper]

same just base error popup

[knotty lily]

have you tried forwards slashes? or entering the entire path?

[last viper]

entire path results in the previous issue of missing the file, foward slash is same plain error message

[knotty lily]

alr idk then

[last viper]

man I spent 70 hours on this I aint giving up now

[knotty lily]

maybe someone else can help you. you could also ask in the general modding channel, as its not a issue related to Trailmappers

[blazing harbor]

show the mod folder

[knotty lily]

has been resolved in #1140936220487192587

[blazing harbor]

alwe

[lone bane]

is there anywhere i can find a list of prefabs that emit light?

[inner nacelle]

This could be a starting point:
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding:Spawnables

[lone bane]

why does pioneers have these weird shadows high up 😭

[lone bane]

honestly might work fine

breaks up the funny tiling effect of the ground texture

[deft mango]

doesn't even look like TM anymore with that lighting and that map

[lone bane]

chart

[lone bane]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3601057434
i might add more stuff onto this later

[blazing harbor]

Cloud

[lone bane]

seems quite dark for clouds tbh
but whatever

if only there were actual clouds

[tardy cypress]

does anybody know a fix for trailmappers being stuck on loading? ( ive tried removing most saves from the folder and it still wouldnt load. Ive also reinstalled it and replaced the new save and model folders with my backup folders. Im wondering if it could be an issue with them but im not sure )

alright ive done some testing and completely replacing the maps folder without any of my maps fixes it, however if i add any of my old ones it just stops working. So im pretty sure they all got corrupted or something idrk

[prime rose]

Anyway to get trailmappers working on linux?

[knotty lily]

works without issue here

try the proton hotfix branch

[prime rose]

Mine wouldnt launch

[prime rose]

Will try

Nope it doesnt launch

did it work out of the box for you or did ya have to do some linux trickery

Okay it worked, had to force it to use proton hotfix

Thanks alot

Okay sorry, last time im pinging you @knotty lily
Where does trailmappers save its maps cuz its not in documents and i cant find it either (linux)

[knotty lily]

/steam/steamapps/compatdata/"trailmappers_id"/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/Trailmappers/

[prime rose]

Thank you so much

[lone bane]

you guys have any ideas on some structures i could put around the map? idrk what to put

all the white is forest areas
map is based on a southwest portion of georgia

[prime rose]

Ruins

Settlements

Dried up lake

Old quarry

[deft mango]

AJ out here slowly making the entirety of Georgia

[quick timber]

Red a larger town
Blue a small village
Purple some ruins

And a tall track in the big forest in the south east

[knotty lily]

Highvoltage power lines going through the forest
Something like this

[spring oracle]

Great idea, those will definitely take out some planes

[lone bane]

i was thinking some power station somewhere, this would go nicely with it too

[knotty lily]

A fire lookout tower would also be cool

[knotty lily]

maybe a sewage treatment plant somewhere in the middle of nowhere?

[lone bane]

i do mainly want to include some more strategically important structures for some custom missions i could make in the future

[knotty lily]

I see

[spring oracle]

maybe put some mining buildings, some energy production buildings that are secretly used by the botnaks

[lone bane]

while i do like the botnak lore, i don’t rlly want to fit it in a more realistic type map

[spring oracle]

Then instead of botnaks do a very malicious company that is intentionally heavily polluting the environment, and they use their energy business as a cover up

[prime rose]

Sketchy nuclear plant

[knotty lily]

maybe a steel factory that needs to be destroyed in order to stop the enemy's weapon production

[unborn niche]

Effiel tower constructed out of chirpo preafabs

Or a gas station idk

Bush landing strip could be cool

Or a go kart track trust

[knotty lily]

lol a go kart track could acutally be sick

[quasi hollow]

have 2 airports in the corners, opposite of each other i would say. long, wide, very flat runways so that all sizes of aircraft can take off, maybe helipads also?

idk if you plan doing water, but if so, then some sort of a port/ship station home base place connected to the road system would be awesome to see

[lone bane]

nah water is annoying to deal with im not gonna bother

[blazing harbor]

Laituri mentioned

[prime rose]

Are you doing this on blender

[lone bane]

im making some models in blender, putting them all together in trailmappers

[lone bane]

idk if thats a reference cause thats a real place

[blazing harbor]

It just caught my eye since laituri means dock in finnish

[lone bane]

slightly concerned since this place is very much not water

[merry kite]

is it possible to import custom models into trailmappers?´
I wanted to make some tracks in cad then import them into tm

[prime rose]

Yes but its also very finnicky

[merry kite]

oh well I'll be damned anyway

what do I need to do?
also, I wanted to add texture to it, but it can be the a basic repeating texture and/or solid color

[lone bane]

go to trailmappers and go to the custom model tab. you can click the folder button on the right and it will open the directory where you will place custom models as .obj and a texture as .png. you can drag the model from the menu to wherever you’d like and assign the texture through the configuration menu.

trailmakers itself has some wonky limitations tho:

• models can’t be more than ~32k tris, even just below that can still crash or take absolutely forever to download.
• textures can’t be too big. im not sure if there’s an exact limit but stuff above ~2048x2048 can start to take forever to download, or crash

i also probably wouldn’t recommend a cad software for doing this, as those tools don’t typically generate models that are well optimized for game use. i usually use blender for a lot of my stuff

[merry kite]

doesn't sound too bad. I don't plan on making overly complex stuff, just a few basic track pieces (banked turns and such)
I also have no idea how to use blender, and being very familiar with cad I can create a parametric design and optimize it to not have a billion triangles

thanks for the help!

[inner lotus]

How many verts should I have in my map model?

[woeful fjord]

I'm designing a space salvage retrieval map for a yt video, but either when I spawn the map in, or in a few repairs and backspaces, my creations stop working. They become static and unsuable, and can't enter build mode. I've used Trailmappers multiple times before, and haven't had much of this issue. Is there anything I could be doing to make this not happen, or is it just bc I have a few objects with physics(salvage)?

[lone bane]

when a single inconspicuous model decides it wants to freeze up my game on loading
i love the API

im genuinely so confused

[blazing harbor]

happens all the time

i have had to scrap atleast 5 models i worked on for like 4 hours bcs it just didnt want to load

[lone bane]

no clue what i changed but its working now

i made 1 section of the bridge and used array modifier and that broke it. redid it and tried again and its fine now. idk magic or smth

[lone bane]

buh

[spring oracle]

O_o

[quick timber]

Add your trailmakers then to that

[ruby shuttle]

Does the game still sort of run, but is completely frozen in terms of movement? You can still go to main menu?

[lone bane]

yeah

[timber gate]

What exactly am I meant to link to in the import dialogue? No matter what I put, it always returns "file does not exist"

[knotty lily]

I believe the import dialogue is for trail edit maps

To import other trailmappers maps just create the trailmappers save structure in the Documents/Trailmappers/Saves folder

If you want to import a map that you only have the mod files from you will have to manually recreate the trailmappers save structure by copying the map.json to a propper save folder in Documents/Trailmappers/Saves

[timber gate]

Ah perfect, that did what I needed. Thank you!

[uncut minnow]

@knotty lily any news on if you are still working on trailmappers update if even possible

[knotty lily]

Im currently a little busy but i do plan to update trailmappers this year still

[uncut minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/yessss-hell-yeah-brother-gif-22960551

[unborn niche]

Trailmappers update before GTAVI 🔥

[hoary temple]

Glad to hear. Really love what you have made. Keep it up

[knotty lily]

Oh im not the one who made Trailmappers :P
Just trying to revive this project since Ridicolas has lost interest in it

[hoary temple]

Ohh ok well, still good luck then

[uncut minnow]

trailmappers be like in its decaying state

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-revive-me-gif-13318223

[hoary temple]

While im here, is there anyway to make an object that has no collision but still interacts with hoverpads?

[tacit rover]

not as far as i know. what exactly are you aiming to create?

[hoary temple]

Already found a solution

[tacit rover]

im quite interested tho, may i know what you were doing?

[hoary temple]

What I wanted is not possible anymore, what we have to do now is just switch the collision of the object off and on

[prime rose]

Is there a good desert map

Large one preferably

[rancid temple]

There is a big desert in Community Map

[elder moat]

"Sand" but it has many flaws

[prime rose]

Wouldnt load

[elder moat]

It takes some time

[prime rose]

I meant it gave me errors lol

[shell heart]

I needs help, trailmappers has decided that it wont let me create or edit any maps

[inner nacelle]

Check your map saves folder. Go to ...\Documents\Trailmappers\Saves
Your maps should be in there as folders. Inside each map folder should be a "map.json" file (and usually a "Preview.png")

[merry kite]

is there a way of adding light-emitting objects, or jut light sources?
the only assets on trailmappers that emit light aren't too effective

if not by using trailmappers, is there another tool that could do it?

[versed moat]

Nope, can only use objects that emit light

Like the scrap, the power core etc

[merry kite]

damn, that's unfortunate, but oh well
thank you!

[merry kite]

is it possible to change the surface type on a custom object?

[spring oracle]

Unfortunately no

[merry kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849765319689240648/984124616534523954/941321677105.gif

not even outside of trailmappers?

[knotty lily]

Not yet

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[merry kite]

I'll keep an eye open for that
thanks a lot!

[versed moat]

[prime quail]

is there any way to change the material of a custom object (I mean so it is more gripy or like sand)?

[knotty lily]

Nope not yet

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[prime quail]

not yet meaning it will be there someday?

[knotty lily]

There is a leak that it might be in development

[prime quail]

oh okay cool, do you have any other idea how to do a racetrack?

[tacit rover]

custom models have 100% grip afaik, also the concrete/asphalt like road parts in trailmappers also have great grip. if you want an on-road race, start with those

[prime quail]

So I can use a custom model and it will be like the racetrack on race island?

[tacit rover]

property wise it should have perfect grip, i suppose its the same as the race track

[merry kite]

the grip on custom objects is really weird, feels more grippy going forwards/backwards than laterally (because of that you get too much rolling resistance)

if you want a surface that behaves like asphalt/concrete, use the normal objects on trailmappers made with those materials

[lean badger]

At most you can change the roughness, although it's only visual

it's determined by the alpha channel

[merry kite]

tf is an alpha channel

ah it's a blender thing, isn't it
I don't use it

[lean badger]

transparency

argb

so transparent textures will be matte instead

[spring oracle]

The car will have the same grip but the top speed will be lower on custom model

[last viper]

Might be too deep into ts

[high palm]

oop

[last viper]

are you making the Notre-Dame?!

[high palm]

Nope lol, but i had a fun time placing all of these pipes individually XD

[last viper]

got the hard stuff done first ig

[hoary temple]

Its like an addiction

[deft mango]

Gahdamn that's smart

[finite stream]

How is your game not crashing 😭 😭 😭

[high palm]

kicks me out of the game everytime i disable the mod or export it while in trailmakers lmao XD

[finite stream]

Same for my mod xd

[median beacon]

my model no worky
how fix

[tacit rover]

you might need to wait for it to load or reduce the poly/vertex count

if it is already low poly sometimes just exporting again or removing loose vertex fixes the issue, the loader is very much broken and picky

[median beacon]

it says "failed to load mesh" and ive already reduced the poly count a lot

[tacit rover]

can you show the model in blender? preferably with wireframe toggled on

[median beacon]

yes, how do i enable wireframe?

aha, here

it says it has 8.4k faces

[tacit rover]

thats a lot for trailmakers

and it may be flawed in some way, you can dm the model to me i could attempt to fix some basic stuff, ive got some time on my hands rn

[median beacon]

thank you, i will send shortly.

[lean badger]

Is it possible to make transparent materials?

[knotty lily]

Nope

[finite stream]

You can make transparent objects

[lean badger]

I mean making part of an object transparent

[finite stream]

Nope

[lean badger]

oh

trailmappers limitation or trailmakers?

[finite stream]

Considering the fact that making a texture transparent means making it less shiny

It's generally for trailmakers

[lean badger]

i guess same applies to light emitting materials?

[finite stream]

Idk

[spring oracle]

no light emitting materials no transparent materials. You can make a whole object invisible

[lean badger]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12637134088871147067/57F7C463C92C8B324599797700D4406ED97E2C13/

Pretty self explanatory issue, i have all devices disconnected except for keyboard, mouse, and reverb g2

nevermind closing and reopening fixed it

[lean badger]

Is anyone else able to load objects around 2k tris?

I have a map with a single custom asset with 2k tris and the game just crashes

[lone bane]

it can definitely handle more than that, ive had some weird cases where the game just freezes even with a relatively simple model, don’t rlly know how to fix it

[spring oracle]

Try putting a triangulate modifier on it

Sometimes that fixed it for me

[lean badger]

I'm not makint it in blender, i just used it to see the tris

[prime rose]

Hello, where does trailmappers store its default assets

[finite stream]

This is probably a question you should ask terrorsoul

[prime rose]

@versed moat
(Sorry to ping you)

[versed moat]

Trailmappers assets are bundled into the program, they arent just in a folder

[prime rose]

Any chance i can extract newer assets from trailmakers and put them into that program

[versed moat]

Its not that easy because the assets have to be all configured and tuned for trailmappers. Youd need source code access for that and know how to use unity

[prime rose]

So if somehow i was able to get the assets converted to .obj i could use it in trailmappers as a custom object

[versed moat]

Yes

[finite stream]

Source code

I wish I was better at programing

[fervent sun]

except that would lead to exported maps loading the objects as custom objects as well, which causes other issues (such as losing lights, ground properties, and performance issues)

[prime rose]

I just need rocks with their ground properties

I was able to get assets from trailmakers using asset ripper but uh i havent scavenged through it for the ones i need, the new rocks
(Thanks chatgpt)

The rocks are literally all i need

[mental timber]

I'm currently building a map and I accidentally spawned the red thing, as you can see in the picture. And it can't be selected or deleted.

[inner nacelle]

If you can't find a point to get it selected then you will have to edit the actual save file.

• Go to documents/Trailmappers/saves/[yourmapfolder]
• make a backup copy of Map.json
• open Map.json in a good text editor such as "Notepad++"
• find that object in the text and very carefully remove it's entire entry. This can be tricky as you need to make sure certain brackets remain.

[mental timber]

thanks

[inner nacelle]

There's a plugin for Notepad++ called "JSON Viewer" which let's you format the JSON file making it much easier to find and delete things like that object.

[noble star]

just make ssure it is completly inside your selecting box, then delete it

[finite stream]

Is it just me or is there recently a problem with spawn points

[fiery topaz]

Wdym ? also, #bug-reports

Oh nevermind I hadn't noticed we are in #1226065444364877835

[finite stream]

Xd

[prime rose]

Yes

Only the server owner spawns where youre meant to on custom maps, everyone else spawns where the default map is supposed to spawn you

[finite stream]

Does terror soul know about this bug?

And could it be fixed?

[quick timber]

I don’t think terror soul made trailmappers

[prime rose]

no clue

[prime rose]

assuming its a bug that only recently occurred its probably something that got changed in trailmakers

[finite stream]

WAIT HE DIDNT?!

[prime rose]

nope

[finite stream]

then who did

[versed moat]

Yeah I'm not the creator of trailmappers

That'd be @sly mantle

[finite stream]

i think in the earlier generations of trailmappers your maps where shown in the preview in the main menu

[versed moat]

Yeah

[finite stream]

so i assumed....

[versed moat]

You have to wait for Ridicolas to appear

[quick timber]

And why the hell doesn’t he have the modder role

[versed moat]

He's not very active currently

[spring oracle]

didn't trailmappers get handed off to someone else?

[knotty lily]

I have access to the repo and had promised to do something with it, but i have been a bit busy lately and also dont have much experience with unity.
I will try and take a look into updating the mod script that is responsible to spawn the map and the spawnpoint when i have fixed my pc.

[tacit rover]

At some point i would also like to rip all the assets that are not currently yet in the map maker and send them preferably to someone who can put them in and release it

but ive got some important real life school things coming up so dont expect that very soon lol

[finite stream]

That would be great

Do you know any fix to implement in the Js file

[knotty lily]

No, i havent taken a look at the issue yet

[inner nacelle]

I've been making an alternative Trailmappers custom loader for a while now that I'm planning to release as a kit soon. You can see it in action in the Railmakers City map that we've just released.

Among other things the custom loader kit lets you set multiple spawnpoints in Trailmappers and gives you a UI with those spawnpoints as Fast Travel buttons. When I find some time I'll put up a thread and get something available to download.

[hoary temple]

I can only recommend it. Easy to work with not complicated.

[inner nacelle]

Sam's been a great beta tester for it

[finite stream]

This is sick can't wait for it

[prime rose]

Is it possible to work on a map previously made in trailmappers?

[inner nacelle]

Yes. My custom loader can be added to any existing Trailmappers map. You use it by adding it to your exported map folder in a certain way, replacing the Trailmappers loader. It will add a loading UI followed by a small UI with a couple of buttons if no extra features are found in the map.

[prime rose]

Great!
Does your loader also have the same assets from trailmappers?

Id love to try it out on me map

[inner nacelle]

It's not a replacement for Trailmappers, just the Trailmappers loader script. It still loads your exported map into Trailmakers. The difference is that it adds a UI and some special objects so that you can define extra stuff from within Trailmappers (eg. spawnpoints, trigger boxes, etc.)

[prime rose]

Ohh okay, would love to work with it soon

Im still a little confused as to how it works but id love to know more

[inner nacelle]

I'll set up thread soon and explain it all in there 🙂

[prime rose]

Im assuming by adding ui you mean an extra ui in trailmakers itself?

[prime rose]

Amazing

[inner nacelle]

Yes in Trailmakers

[prime rose]

Got it, looking forward to it

[inner nacelle]

If your map runs in Test Zone you can also add a custom Tab map image if you want.

[prime rose]

Oh thats really cool

Do the spawn points work with it?

[inner nacelle]

no it's just an image

[prime rose]

Its the multiple spawnpoints i really wanna get

[prime rose]

Oh well still better than nothing

Really cool though

[prime rose]

Is there a planned release date for this mod?

[inner nacelle]

~Possibly~ in the next hour

[prime rose]

HOLY SHIT, YES

[finite stream]

YEESSS

[hoary temple]

Now I feel special because i already worked with it

[inner nacelle]

Just posted about my alternative loader here:
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1463163384634540142

[atomic plaza]

So it’s a mod for a third party mod making tool… have we gone too deep or should we be prepared to go deeper?

[inner nacelle]

It mods the mod part of the third party mod making tool

simples

[hoary temple]

https://klipy.com/gifs/umm-29

[finite stream]

Would there be a way to run trailmappers on Linux?

[atomic plaza]

you could try running it thru Proton or another compatibility software

[prime rose]

I run it using proton 9

Proton hotfix*

[finite stream]

Ok ty I'll try it

[knotty lily]

Worked flawlessly the last time i tried

[prime rose]

Use hotfix branch

[finite stream]

Oki

Imma look for it

[hardy herald]

I put a bug in for this first day. They changed something or deleted something. Anyway. Now custom maps are starting to crash on peoples servers over and over. Who made the original trail mappers? Is anybody skilled to remake it?

[prime rose]

I think someone is infact working on a replacement

The original creator isnt working on it anymore

[fervent sun]

there have been a couple people that have tried to make a replacement, but all of them are currently dead

[abstract sage]

i cant believe they just invented respawning irl

[hardy herald]

The people, or the projects?

[fervent sun]

the projects

[hardy herald]

had me worried

[abstract sage]

"currently dead" implies those people could just revive themselves

necromancy maxxing

[hardy herald]

ahttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3655342696

I just shared both the map and the truck on my workshop

[inner nacelle]

Has anyone had a go at using https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1463163384634540142
I'm happy to help if people are having problems. Also I want to improve it so any kind of feedback would be useful.

[prime rose]

Highway progress

[finite stream]

everything seems to be mirrored

[tacit rover]

known issue with the loader, just put one of the axis in trailmappers *(-1) of your current value and it should mirror back, play around, dont remember which axis it is mirrored on

[finite stream]

Oki ty

[blazing harbor]

The red one

[frosty plume]

Has anyone had issues with lag when adding hundreds of moveable blocks like shipping containers into one area?

[blazing harbor]

Lets think for a second

[frosty plume]

Well I made a cargo bay with a ton of the shipping containers and it didn’t change anything

But I was going to make a massive breakable wall out of moveable blocks so was wondering if others are having the same experience with no lag as I am, or if my game can handle it too well for me to notice no change

[median beacon]

what model formats can trailmappers read? just OBJ?

how can i get this to work

[spring oracle]

yes obj

[spring oracle]

uh what are you trying to do?

[median beacon]

loading in a 3 part model, all models failed and just wound up as cube

[spring oracle]

tbh i've never seen that error from trailmappers before. Does it work fine in trailmappers?

[median beacon]

mhm

[spring oracle]

weird

[spring oracle]

can you share the models or the map so i can look into it further?

[median beacon]

hmm @hard pumice can i?

[spring oracle]

wait qwib :3 is tea?

[hard pumice]

sure, as long as i get credited in the project, use my models however you want :3

[hard pumice]

yup, qwibpocalypse is rising

[spring oracle]

hmm yes

[median beacon]

ye

[median beacon]

ill send you the seperate parts, if you enter the same co ordinate into each they'll line up

[hard pumice]

-# easy to use hehe

[spring oracle]

idk why it doesn't work, i looked in the logs and it said, but i even put it in blender and reexported and it still gives the same error

[hard pumice]

that's weird

[median beacon]

hmm

[spring oracle]

full logs for anyone more experience than me