Missile/Tracker Mod

[rigid stag]

The wizard hath appeared!

[half garnet]

Hmm.. I guess that's doable

[misty zealot]

could get mouse click and if change block then have it valid, else deslected block

when holding ctrl add to array when valid

and reset the array when deselected
now more than 1 selection

[rigid stag]

Write down this enchantment and bring it to Jess immediately!

[misty zealot]

ok I will make simple mod that gets multiple blocks selected

[rigid stag]

Also willing to test beta versions of missile mod (I have years of programming experience and am somewhat good at debugging, although i used lua like years ago for scrap mechanic once)

[half garnet]

Stop saying reasonable things

[misty zealot]

[half garnet]

The selection system is already chaotic enough

[misty zealot]

[rigid stag]

Would you like a refactor?

[half garnet]

Eh?

[rigid stag]

Rewrite code so less flaming garbage and more just garbage

[half garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[misty zealot]

missile mod v2

[rigid stag]

Yes please (I could do it, you do you)

[rigid stag]

This implies I wont go ahead and do it anyway

Which i may, but will abandon due to adhd motivation issues and sleep deprivation

[rigid stag]

V2 isnt a good idea atm, since then there would be people who dont know about v2 using v1 till breaks

[misty zealot]

missile mod v2 = missile mod update
2.0

[half garnet]

I mean... If you want to do it sure, but you are gonna end up offing yourself

[half garnet]

I added a version number to it yesterday, it's 1.3, why? Just a random number

[half garnet]

gone (it was a stray missile from before, so the camera is not yet where i wanted it)

[astral laurel]

when target leading is coming lol

[misty zealot]

simple features that never get added

[half garnet]

simple

[astral laurel]

some smort stuff i dont understand

[misty zealot]

well, assuming you've set it to track a set position value then it should be simple if you still have access to the structure data, adding the target's velocity divided by missile's velocity onto the target position

[astral laurel]

that probably

[half garnet]

It ain't that simple

You also need to consider distance between the two and direction of target movement compared to missile

[marble pagoda]

Couldn't you just split the vectors into their x y z components to compair direction?

[half garnet]

I can just use the wonder of dot product, the problem is merging all together

[astral laurel]

bruh

[half garnet]

leaked leading target math

[odd vigil]

gasp

quick, copy it so we can make an off brand version

[half garnet]

we thank wolfram for solving the rquation for H, cause i would have definetly made some mistake

[odd vigil]

I made Chilli con carne in food tech today

Soz, bit off topic

[half garnet]

i am about to attempt the most nonsensical thing you could expect and put an if statement into a table

or not... vscode already tells me it won't work

i'm a moron, none of that is needed, there is a simple way

[surreal ice]

it won't because an if statement is a statement, not an expression (something that can be evaluated to a value). You can only put values on tables, expressions can be put but are evaluated instantly to a value which is what gets put into the table (functions are values on lua, which is why you can also put them on tables). Closest thing would be using a ternary expression (A and B or C, which is equivalent to B if A is true else C)

[half garnet]

yeah, as i said, i'm a moron

when i could have just had

if bool then
Tab[Key]=Value
end

[surreal ice]

you can also do tab[key] = bool and value or tab[key]

[half garnet]

oh.. didn't know that, i do have quite a few things to put in there, so it's gonna be cleaner with an if statement anyway

any comments about that clean looking yet inintelligible leading math

[surreal ice]

i haven't looked into the math for it, so no idea

[half garnet]

it's quite a good one honestly, using the cosine rule and the missile speed i got 2 ways to calculate the distance of the final impact, then i just have to express them based on the time passed and i can extrapolate myself H (H is the time)

saves me from using all this

[astral laurel]

i love how numbers just disappear from math

[half garnet]

me: hmm, the traking doesn't seem to work

also me: forgets to turn it on

oh... it's half past midnight, that explainst it

[half garnet]

@astral laurel

you up for some testing?

[astral laurel]

sure

[half garnet]

gimme just one more moment. comparing 2 version of it

oke, great, i wasted the last 15 minutes, it already worked fine

well, made a server

[astral laurel]

alr whats the name

and pw

[half garnet]

my name, pass Beans, gonna have to reset tho, cause i forgor to activate mods

you know... kinda... important

[astral laurel]

maybe

could be useful

[rigid stag]

Epic update, however I see some things with the mines that could be optimized for different uses:
Mines should be able to explode on other blocks such as (configurable ofc):

• trackers (counter-missiles)
• flares (when mines are used on missiles)
• targets (i'm guessing this is obvious).
  Other suggestion: Allow finite mine lifetime.
  For a niche use-case, I want to be able to give mines a finite lifetime, so they don't require backspacing so often when using as AA bullets. This can be configured like a flare, where it has a lifetime, after which it explodes.

There is also a lack of sound when explosions are spawned.

[astral laurel]

mines are currently a little broken, they can only check if they're near a target every frame, for faster missiles it can more easily miss that its in the range of the target, i believe flares can already be tracked.

if you want a finite mine lifetime, you could have the missiles propellent deactivate so they just fall

or have dynamite activated on a delay

[rigid stag]

Let me show you:

This is the first AA canon using mines that I know exists

[astral laurel]

also problem with tracking the other trackers, the mine block doesnt know if the tracker is on the same missile or a different missile

[rigid stag]

Got it.

Then how do trackers determine which flares are "other players"?

I'm guessing its that the architecture stores the player id of the tracker and the flares, so it can determine what to track.

[astral laurel]

the flare is its own structure, every structure has its owner

[misty zealot]

huh, just repaired a structure I forgot to save, and the colour was kept, probably because that block didn't break

[half garnet]

I see a bunch of confusion

[kind prism]

regular missle mod shenanigans

[half garnet]

The mines DO work (at least last time I checked) on flares and targets, I won't have them work on trackers cause that makes the tracking a bunch more annoying (you can always just put a target on the missiles, if it's multiplayer), the lifetime can't be done, I'm already using all 3 colors (i could by limiting one a value, but ehhh), lack of sound i should be able to fix, i never noticed cause i always pairee it with tnt

[half garnet]

i store all blocks in tables with player id as key, so i can ignore those of the same player/whatever selected, i do not store what build they are on

[half garnet]

ye, if you don't break the colors are kept

[half garnet]

hehe, new bug discovered.... :(

[kind prism]

yippie

[misty zealot]

double targets button funny
(edit: sorry forgot to turn off ping)

[half garnet]

at least the fix is easy

i just forgot to modify the code i copied from the targets, weird noone noticed any weird behaviour till now

[opaque quartz]

that one's really old

[half garnet]

Makes sense, that code never got any change, tho I noticed just now

[clear mica]

so is it just me or does the mod stop working from time to time? might just be me switching from controller to KBM tho

[hollow summit]

Mine just tends to throw the missiles in random directions

[inland agate]

what's the difference between 'force' and 'torque'?

[half garnet]

Torque rotates, force moves

[inland agate]

ty 👍

[storm plinth]

Where exactly is the eye supposed to be on torque, and should there be canards/stabilisers?

[inland agate]

for torque i usually put it at the front of the object (what face is gonna be going towards the target) and also add some sort of stabilisation

that's what's best for me

[half garnet]

Location doesn't matter that much, especially if you got stabilisers which I extremely recommend (not much to stabilise rotation, but to avoid drifting)

[tawny fiber]

Proximity fuze is crazy

[kind prism]

Jess did you make the "front" or like the nose of the Tracker paint itself blue? or is this just game bug

cuz it seems intentional but idk

[half garnet]

No... I shouldn't even have control on that, seems more like something the Devs did (making part of the texture blue on accident/purpose)

[kind prism]

yea i just checked it, the blue is always on the top of the block even if i rotate it

its odd

[inland agate]

is there a specific strength that has the best tracking? would there be much of a difference between 1000 and 100,000?

[kind prism]

i usually dont use past 500 for much

[inland agate]

alr thanks

i'll test that

[half garnet]

it very much depends on the missile size, the heavier the more force needed

(too much force makes it twitchy)

[inland agate]

makes sense, it'll be under 100 kg

[remote wasp]

So for the past month or so I've been making my own missile mod and if you want the more realistic leading calculations (no airodynamical forces tho but acceleration) I can give it to you @half garnet :).

Also my mod is way too heavy on the CPU that i need help with optimization. If someone wants to help.

[half garnet]

Missile mod already causes performance drops, so i think I'll keep it as it is now, also lack of top speed might cause the missile to track less effectively (as of now if under top speed most time it points further away from the target, that's likely gonna cause it to point closer to the target meaning the missile would come more from behind)

[remote wasp]

ok. It isn't any bad its just a quartic equation. My getting of the blocks is very heavy.

[regal shard]

If you’re free this weekend, I’d be down to help 👍

[remote wasp]

Ok weekend it is.

[low marten]

@half garnet Can you set multiple tracks as followers at the same time? Normally green is used for the follower and blue for the target, so can you set the 2nd color choice as a team?

[half garnet]

no, team is entirely based by who spawns them

[low marten]

like this

[half garnet]

also i currently don't have any more storage on the tracker second color, perhaps in the future i can add it together with the storage block

[low marten]

What are these settings used for?

[half garnet]

respectively:
priority the trackers have on flares over targets
Pid values (they change how the missile behave) https://apmonitor.com/pdc/index.php/Main/ProportionalIntegralDerivative#:~:text=The three tuning values for,derivative time constant τD
max cone the missile can detect an enemy in
if you can edit a thruster's power

[inland agate]

is it normal to crash 3 times in 10 minutes on a multiplayer server using the mod

[half garnet]

no... not really

[inland agate]

hm

[winged wyvern]

id really just recommend youd clamp values to something sensible cuz weve just had 4 lobbies where they just input crazy numbers and basically got people to crash

not that id be surprised, by any means

[half garnet]

Ahhhh, seems i couldn't trust people to just... Not

[rugged siren]

D:

is this common?

[half garnet]

Oof, I sure hope not

Could you send the log

[rugged siren]

the what..?

[half garnet]

(in the mods section of the pause menu press open mods folder, then find the file named missile mod"numbers".log)

[rugged siren]

ahhh okay

[rugged siren]

both folders are empty

guessing thats the issue?

[half garnet]

Shouldn't be, leave that folder and look for a file named "Custom Missiles Mod3084520196.log"

[rugged siren]

these?

[half garnet]

Should be right outside that folder (if that folder is inside one named "mods")

Yes, perfect

Send both just in case

[half garnet]

Thank you

[rugged siren]

np! :P

[half garnet]

If you put this in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Trailmakers\mods\Custom Missiles Mod\ it should work, at least for now, there might be a second problem given the other log

[rugged siren]

still the same error :/ couldve done it wrong but im pretty sure i didnt

could me using complexity mod have smth to do with it?

[half garnet]

Don't think, these folders are empty, right?

Btw, in the list do you have one or 2 missile mods?

[rugged siren]

oh shit theres two

[half garnet]

Try the top one

[rugged siren]

damn it was that easy

[half garnet]

(btw, I don't know why you have 2, but that explains the 2 different logs)

[rugged siren]

sorry for wasting your time..😭

[half garnet]

Nah, just doing that from the start wouldn't have worked... And now I know there is a weird bug, so np

Also, your mod won't update if I ever make some changes :(

[rugged siren]

oh??

[rugged siren]

D:

is there a way to fix it?

[half garnet]

Rn I can't really say, but I think there is an issue with your setting save file (I can ping you in a while once I check where that is)

[surreal ice]

one is from the workshop, the other the manually installed one. Mods in the mods folder are listed before mods from the workshop

[half garnet]

That much I know, yes, but they already ran the manually installed one before I gave the main file (by looking at the sent logs), so my question is why did that folder appear

[half garnet]

The folder here, being the "manual install" and lacking the main

[half garnet]

@rugged siren no hurry, but if you send the main.lua in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\585420\3084520196\

and the settings file in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\[SteamId]\585420\remote\Mods\3084520196\data_dynamic
(you will have to replace [SteamId] with yours, or just open the folder with tons of numbers)
i can try and understand what's the other issue

again, no hurry, it's more just so i can understand what's wrong

[rugged siren]

hope this helps

[half garnet]

Same...

[half garnet]

this should be the last time i harass you, but, if you delete that settings file from the folder you got it does the mod work? (the second one in the list)

[rugged siren]

i can check

the settings file in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata[SteamId]\585420\remote\Mods\3084520196\data_dynamic ??

[half garnet]

Yep

Then run the bottom missile mod

[rugged siren]

if i alreadyhad the game open do i need to restart it?

[half garnet]

No

Just refresh the mod if it was already active

[rugged siren]

its working :0

the second one

[half garnet]

Great

[rugged siren]

also while im here, is it normal for me to have to reset the explosion size for yelow eyeball proxy fuse every time i repair/ respawn?

[half garnet]

Try editing the creation after you change the settings in there (moving/ colouring/adding a block) and see if it still resets

Any block

[rugged siren]

okayy

[rugged siren]

it works! thanks sm :3

[half garnet]

Nice

It's an annoying bug I can't fix, whenever I make a proper tutorial video it'll be explained

[olive ermine]

Am I missing a setting or do the force missiles seem to only have an effective range of 200m or so

[half garnet]

I can do some checks tomorrow, but the range should be unlimited

[olive ermine]

It does activate it just kinda breaks from my experience, it seems to go to the wrong location after certain distance

[half garnet]

Honestly I got no clue on what exactly it's doing, especially with force, I just trust my wacky pid implementation to work

[olive ermine]

lol

[tepid flint]

the missile spins around the point there released from, any idea why?

[half garnet]

Pointing at where it was released or not?

Anyhow, check both if the eye is pointing the right direction and if you are not targeting yourself

[tepid flint]

it points at where its released from and I think is pointing in the right direction and not targeting it self

[half garnet]

I mean, in the targeting section of the mod, is there a target enabled that would be near where you launch it?

Btw a screenshot of the build would really help, with the blueprint I could even test it directly once home

[tepid flint]

strength = 1

and the booster power is 1000

[half garnet]

Try more strength

A bunch more, like 100/200

[tepid flint]

oke it works

really cool mod

[half garnet]

Thank you, btw there is a 2nd mod for missiles made by jokeri2222 if you are interested, it should be more realistic

[raw plover]

Yesterday I had the misfortune of having to run away from hypersonic missiles that turned on a dime (literally not figuratively)

i have no problem whatsoever, just thought i'd mention it

[half garnet]

Well, that's why I didn't place any limit

I'm then expecting people to be kind enough that if you say please don't they don't

[glad sequoia]

Can you send a link to that one?

[remote wasp]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1225491010625343508

[glad sequoia]

Thank you

[glad sequoia]

@half garnet excuse the ping, but is there any guide to using the mines and how to set them up?

[rigid stag]

Suggestion/QoL improvement for trackers: maintain altitude/drop compensatiom.
Feature function: a toggle on a tracker that will use server PID settings to counteract missile drop. This is separate from angle tracking, in that it does it via a different methodology

How it would work: When the tracker is enabled, the tracker uses the missile's velocity(vector)as the direction the eye is pointing in, instead of the actual eye direction. This will cause the missile to, if it's being affected by gravity, point upwards and thrust downwards to keep the altitude.

Why: many missiles, especially A2A, when fired from long range simply hit the ground.

This also has the side effect that target leading becomes more accurate, as the missiles direction isnt neccesarily the direction the missile is traveling.

Potential downsides and remedies: on turrets, especially mobile turrets, enabling this option would cause the turret to not aim at the target. This can be remedied by mixing the eye angle and the velocity vector based on speed, so the faster a tracker moves, the more it accounts for speed. This mostly solves the issue for stationary turrets, but still leaks effects on mobile turrets (when turned on) and slow missiles.

[rigid stag]

@half garnet
POC gif recordings for the suggestion:
Correction OFF has the missile undershoot the target, both times.
With Correction ON, the missile tracks and hits the target precisely.

[half garnet]

Not really, but it shouldn't be too hard:
Pain the block yellow
Set activation distance (same as missiles, but instead of starting to track it arms the mine)
Set range (the mine will explode when this close to a target, it uses the same target as the missiles)
Set explosion size (click on the button until you see the desired explosion kind)

[half garnet]

Well, i'm kinda taking a big pause from this mod and tm in general, what I can say is "fins on the missile help a lot", there was the plan to add a "drag block" that would have pretty much the same effect, but i never got around to it, tho it shouldn't be too hard to do a little test with your suggestion

[round lintel]

Wouldn’t a max strength quantum rudder act the same as a “drag block”?

[half garnet]

But the quantum rudder is wide

[half garnet]

so, while it might be possible, it's not quite that simple, just replacing the eye angle with speed vector angle doesn't work, might be solvable by tweaking the pid values, but as of now it just makes the missile spin around, lemme make an example, let's say the missile is traveling north, the target is south, the pid causes it to do a 180, but it's still traveling north, so the pid makes it spin more, at that point it doesn't even slow down and the cycle continues, irl missiles don't have this problem because of fins having a maximum angle they turn to, so either
1: i go find some pid values (requires a bunch of testing that i'm not in the proper mood for)
2: i need to incorporate some math by using the eye angle (again more testing)

here is the new lua, if you want to go look for the pid values, (you need to have leading enabled on the missile, it's just a quick implementation)

[glad sequoia]

I suggest adding a note that specifies that it only blows up when a player is nearby

Which confused me, since I thought the range setting was relative to the target block, not a player

[half garnet]

It also explodes near targets blocks (or at least they should)

You just have to make sure they are enabled in the targeting tab

[glad sequoia]

Yeah I believe that didn't work for me

I'll try it out again real quick

[half garnet]

Please tell if they don't work, imma have to fix that

[glad sequoia]

Yeah, they only blow up when a player target is near them

These two have the same settings

One on the right is set to target block only, one on the left is set to player only

(settings done like this just for testing)

[half garnet]

Thinking about it, I'm sure mine did explode near targets, so that's quite weird

Imma have to check again, but just for safety can you send a screenshot of the Targets menu tab and perhaps try with flares?

[glad sequoia]

Result of me changing it fromtargets only to players only

Yeah, flares have the same result as the target block

ie: no reaction to flares

[half garnet]

Hmm.. weird

Imma have to hope it also happens on my end

[glad sequoia]

Something weird is happening now

[half garnet]

?

[glad sequoia]

I think?

It's being weird and not blowing up when the range is clearly set to blow up

Maybe I put the trigger range too high just recently?

I think that's it

I had the trigger range at 1990 and it didn't go off until you were basically touching it

[half garnet]

Huh

Odd

[glad sequoia]

I have had it happening pretty reliably

So unless there's a disparity in the mod somewhere between us, it should happen to you as well

[glad sequoia]

I know I am bombarding you with bugs, and I am sorry

I found another bug with the forces feature on the mod

Here are the parameters

And yes, there was only one target, and it was on the green ring

[half garnet]

not the first time someone mentions them acting funky, i'm just ignoring it

[glad sequoia]

I see

[half garnet]

also unfortunatly you are not the only one reporting issues today

[glad sequoia]

I understand

Good luck with that

Is there a priority list to the stuff you want to add/fix?

[half garnet]

not really, i'll think about making one once i actually work on this mod again

[glad sequoia]

(also, question on the leading mechanic)

Alot of times, I see missiles lead, then randomly switch to pursuit

This only happens in specific situations, but it happens reliably enough where I felt like it was intended?

[half garnet]

in some cases, if the missile knows it can't intercept the target it will switch to pursit

[glad sequoia]

I feel like that should be a toggleable option (if it's even possible)

[half garnet]

(so basically if the missile is slower than the plane and not close enough to its trajectory)

[glad sequoia]

Because alot of times, the missile has a better chance of intercepting me if it had continued leading

[half garnet]

thing is, it works like that because else the missile doesn't know where to aim, it can't calculate the point

[glad sequoia]

So you make it get thrown into pursuit as a failsafe?

[half garnet]

ye

[glad sequoia]

Interesting

[half garnet]

i could just make it keep going straight, but then there is no guarantee that it will actually gain the speed needed to catch up

[glad sequoia]

Yeah, that's fair

Anyway

When you do sort out a priority list, I (with my almost non-existent experience with coding stuff like this) feel like the drop compensation mechanic "????" put on earlier should be higher on the list

Since:
A: bombs have to basically come in completely vertically to land a hit on a target

B: it'd help with leading

And maybe add an "experimental mod" thing for anyone to mess around with?

It could really decrease your workload if someone does code in a valuable feature

[half garnet]

it most likely won't

[glad sequoia]

Why's that?

[half garnet]

a big part of how i make my proprity is based on what i can add quicker, as mentioned before using the missile velocity is very unreliable because the pid doesn't get the instant feedback it gets with direction, so it's gonna need a bunch more math, math that i'd need to make up

[glad sequoia]

I see

[half garnet]

so i'll be adding the drag block first, that should just make sure that velocity and rotation are always matched, kinda skipping the whole problem

[glad sequoia]

I'm guessing that'll have it's own batch of problems?

[half garnet]

it shouldn't no

[glad sequoia]

Oh?

[half garnet]

it should avoid a bunch of the drifting of the missile, making it way more precise and avoiding it orbiting the target

[glad sequoia]

Awesome

I named one of my missile systems "Piranha" because of how much it orbited lol

[half garnet]

the force issue is something that should be solved tho, cause that would help a bunch with bombs

[glad sequoia]

That would be nice, yeah

For the time being, something you can do without having to do math with is just fixing up a list on how everything works and what triggers it

And if you have, pinning it would be better

[half garnet]

i don't think i can pin

[glad sequoia]

Oh

damn

Alright, then

Thank you for your work

[half garnet]

if you scroll ALL the way up in this channel you should find a to-do list

[glad sequoia]

I know this mod can be a pain, and I am not even that experienced with coding

[half garnet]

.

[glad sequoia]

.

Damn

[half garnet]

seems a bit outdated, given that i haven't cancelled out mines and leading

[glad sequoia]

And Z-lock

[half garnet]

no, that's for the info tab, so me writing what it does

[rigid stag]

I can share the segment of code that i changed, to allow for missiles tracking better

[half garnet]

just send the new lua

[glad sequoia]

As I've said before, I think adding an experimental mod would help

[rigid stag]

Updated lua:
Relevant segment:

    -- in PiD
    -- Change
    local BlForward = BlTable.Block.Forward()
    if BlTable.AltPreserve then
      local influence_factor = 0.0
      -- Set blFoward to the position delta
      BlForward = BlPos - BlTable.LastPos
      BlForward = tm.vector3.op_Multiply(BlForward, influence_factor/Time)
      BlForward = BlForward + tm.vector3.op_Multiply(BlTable.Block.Forward(), 1-influence_factor)
      BlForward = tm.vector3.op_Multiply(BlForward, 1/(BlForward.Magnitude() + 0.001))
      -- normalise
      -- Store it after the calculation
      BlTable.LastPos = BlPos
     -- then normalised
    end

[glad sequoia]

You can test out new stuff without bricking the entire thing

And it'd allow other people to help troubleshoot and bug report

[rigid stag]

The PoC code turns on AltPreserve for all trackers by default (it's a mess in there)

[half garnet]

i'm not stopping anyone from making a copy of the mod and changing it, i've sent the file multiple time/you can find it in the steam downloads folder

[astral laurel]

jess lazy

[half garnet]

i have just been doing other stuff

[glad sequoia]

What I meant is for you to just add something you're wary on

[half garnet]

like a stupid stats display for minecraft

[glad sequoia]

I don't really have the expertise to mess with code, but I am pretty good at bug reporting

[half garnet]

usually when i add something it either works or it doesn't, it's quite rare for there to be something that sorta works but i'm not sure about (and if there is (force option) it just get slapped in the main mod)

[glad sequoia]

Alright

Suggestion still in the air if you want to re-consider

Good luck

[half garnet]

i mean, if you want the broken quartenion verson it comes free with the workshop download

[half garnet]

i see what you are doing, imma check it out soon or later, and clean it up a bit if it works

i do have a couple doubts tho

[rigid stag]

Found an an expensive function that gets called n^2 times, and optimised it to use no inverse trig functions at all (very expensive function), trig is less expensive, would be best if everything was stored as a cosine anyway. Also removed useless if statement. This is based on dot product, and instead of comparing the computed angle with the arccos of the dot product, I compare the dot product with the cosine of the angle.

function AngleVectors(A,B,Angle)
  --tm.os.Log(A.Dot(B))
  -- use dot product instead of expensive arccos
  -- cos theta = a b dot a mag b mag times div // RPN
  -- a b dot a mag b mag * / angle 2 / rad cos >= // RPN 
  -- local AngleVec=math.deg(math.acos(A.Dot(B)/B.Magnitude()))
  -- tm.os.Log(AngleVec)
  return A.dot(B)/B.Magnitude() >= math.cos(math.rad(Angle / 2))
end

[hollow summit]

they work for me

[glad sequoia]

@half garnet Excuse the ping, but for the whole leading mechanic, the way you described it implies that turrets would never lead, no?

[half garnet]

exactly, they won't because they have no speed, i am planning to add an option to "select bullet type" so that it will use that to lead target

[glad sequoia]

Yeah, I was going to ask you for that since I just noticed that none of the turrets do any leading

Thanks for the clarification

[half garnet]

as always planning doesn't mean soon, perhaps after i'm done with the upcoming exam

[glad sequoia]

When should that be?

[half garnet]

next week

[glad sequoia]

Got it, thanks

[kind prism]

literally giving tiny cannons a use

mans cooking

[half garnet]

I just need to get the speed of the bullets... Sorta annoying, but I can probably make a lil testbed mod to calculate it

[round lintel]

@shrewd zealot did some calculations and has that already

[shrewd zealot]

https://youtu.be/k9wZMykqxVM here it is

[half garnet]

Thank you

Also man, there are more cannons than I remembered

[glad sequoia]

Simple question

Would it be possible for you to put "Custom bullet velocity" on the mod?

It'd make cannons that use the piston glitch much better, since they'd be able to lead

[half garnet]

So, this is something that has to do both with the drag block and bullet velocity, since I'm out of space for numbers on the tracker I can put the option in a different block that gets read by the tracker or use a new block/limit the option respectively

I was thinking use a "storage block" for the bullets and a new block for the drag

[glad sequoia]

So it's possible?

Just so we're on the same picture, I am talking about the "glitch" where you artificially increase the cannon's velocity using pistons

[half garnet]

Yes, but i don't care about what you do, there can be custom bullet speeds

[glad sequoia]

Let's go

[rigid stag]

Update on the optimization i found?

[half garnet]

I've seen already

I will change it whenever I work on the mod, but don't expect too drastic of a change, (you should have noticed if you already tried it) that function doesn't actually get called as often as you think (it could, it's a bit ramdom)

[glad sequoia]

For some reason

Missiles with this configurations are extremely good

This uses a 500 strength torque setting

And it's good at A-A, A-G and G-A

[rigid stag]

gif?

[rigid stag]

The reason they're good is that the large fins in the near-rear prevent loss of altitude when flying, which is similar to what my fork of the mod does.
You could replace the large fins with small powered tailfins imo and it'll achieve the same effect

[glad sequoia]

Unironically, I looked at the R24R and thought "why not do something like it"

And it turned out awesome

[glad sequoia]

This is the best gif showing how effective these things are with only 500 power

Note: These do not use proximity fuse blocks. All of the footage shown is direct impact

[rigid stag]

so I'm guessing that my modification to the mod to use velocity tracking will make these even more insanely OP

[glad sequoia]

I guess?

It'd make missiles that don't use this format act like the ones I posted

[half garnet]

Not to be rude, but your modifications (at least the one you sent me) doesn't do much of a change

Tried the same missile 3 times, one default, one yours and one default+extra drag, the extra drag one is the only one that doesn't orbit (target is stationary vtol)

[rigid stag]

at what range did you test the missiles?

[half garnet]

Not too far

[rigid stag]

that'd explain why you didn't see any major changes.

[half garnet]

It's still gonna orbit the target tho

[rigid stag]

well, yes of course, that's the problem with cones
the modification was meant to prevent missile altitude loss, i just hoped that the velocity tracking would be enough to get rid of orbits.

[half garnet]

I still think that having a dedicated drag block would be the most effective option

Else changing the perceived target/missile position based on speed instead of the direction vector

[glad sequoia]

if I may

The missile that I made

The one I featured earlier

Does not orbit at all

VTOL target at a decent range

[half garnet]

Yeah, that's work of the extra drag, that's why I plan on adding a drag block, you get the benefits without all that used space

[glad sequoia]

I see

[queen nimbus]

Drag block would be really nice for sure, my biggest problem right now is fitting on fins.

[queen nimbus]

I would also love to see some smoke trails without needing a bulky engine

Technical with two missiles, angle cone needs some tweaking for balance but right now they don't miss

thrusters on 300, cone on 180, strength on 100, trigger range on 20 with xl explosion.

uasing torque with lead target on

anchor block at delays for single player testing

[acoustic smelt]

can you add an option to track a specific player/team's missiles? so that we can make stuff like the iron dome

[dull patio]

holy shit that looks like an alien invasion

[acoustic smelt]

idk if that is possible but

[half garnet]

Planning to add that, yea

[glad sequoia]

I've tried this out and I don't know if it's working for me?

The missiles spin out of control before even attempting to leave the area of the technical

[queen nimbus]

Is the strength high enough?

I had that problem before, turning it up helped

[glad sequoia]

The problem for me is that the lower fin slams into the roll bar

[queen nimbus]

I have always been flying whilst testing, if the cone is big enough it should wiggle it's way out, if not, good luck improving my poor design

[glad sequoia]

Unfortunately, I don't have the airborne pack so trying to improve on it is almost impossible

That and

These are the main types of missiles I make

[queen nimbus]

Yeah, those are too big to fit on any of my builds, I wish we had some smaller fins

[glad sequoia]

I could try designing you some smaller missiles, if you want me to

[acoustic smelt]

how about these

they got 2 dynamite but are definitely enough to shoot down a plane

max speed is around 490kph

[astral laurel]

how did you get that plane?

[acoustic smelt]

biwi gave it to me to fix it

and i did

[astral laurel]

how unbad is it now

[acoustic smelt]

its not as good as some others but it aint bad

i just like how it looks

[astral laurel]

does it no longer pull 200g’s with the press of the S key

[acoustic smelt]

nah that's still a thing

you just gotta tap it over 1000kph

[astral laurel]

so how was it fixed

cuz that was his main concern as im aware of

and paint job

[acoustic smelt]

it didnt have enough thrust so i kinda cheated so im using the mod to increase the thruster power, i also removed some of the shields on the vertical fins and that was it tbh

i don't think it was as bad as biwi was describing it when he first gave it to me

although i did have to remove some ugly fins from the stabilisers that blocky added

which changed nothing

[glad sequoia]

I don't really see anything?

[acoustic smelt]

look closely

behind the plane

[glad sequoia]

Yeah, I see something

I can't really make out the details

[glad sequoia]

Same here

[acoustic smelt]

.

alright i'll send another pic

[glad sequoia]

I see

It looks pretty good

[queen nimbus]

You don't need eyeballs anymore, I just use the tnt to guide and one as a mine to proximity detonate.

[wintry radish]

Hi, I might be stupid, but targets are broken for me

it tracks me fine but not targets

[half garnet]

I'm guessing you did enable it in the targets menu?

[wintry radish]

yep, I did

how do I record a gif?

is there a built in option in tm or do I have to use obs?

[round lintel]

You check that you have the correct shade of colour for the targets?

Cause I know that that is where I went wrong when I first tried the mod.

[wintry radish]

yes

I feel like this will turn out to be my fault but I want to find out where I went wrong

cause I've been trying to find out for 1 hour now

[half garnet]

Iirc there have been similar problems with mines not blowing up on targets, it's quite a weird one

But as long as the block says it's a target in build mode and they are enabled it should work, I don't remember if out of build mode it tells you how many targets are there, but that should at least narrow down the possible problem

[half garnet]

F6 btw, but doesn't record ui

[wintry radish]

oh ok thanks

what does lead target do?

[half garnet]

It leads the target, basically predicts where it will be and aims there

[wintry radish]

oh thanks

[wintry radish]

I tried to record what's going on. I'm trying to use targets with missiles but a turret is the same thing.
I can't send it becaues it is 300 mbs (30 sec vid) so I'll compress it

is that alright with you @half garnet

?

wait it didn't get smaller

nvm then

flares don't seem to work either

but everything tracks me VERY well

targets and flares tho, they don't even exist in the trackers' eyes

any idea about what I can do to fix this?

because the targets seem to work for others, at least it does for Mr Smith

[half garnet]

In the mod ui does it at least tell you that the targets/flares exist?

Should say something like "Flares 1/1" depends on the actual amount

[wintry radish]

it does but if I press use on another kinda block it goes away

can I join a voice channel and show you what's up using screen share?

can't talk though

[half garnet]

Sorry, can't rn

[wintry radish]

ok

my missiles start doing circles in the air

[wintry radish]

so the thing is that targets do show up but once I go into build mode they disappear from the ui, and randomly come back but still don't work idk what I should do

as I said the trackers track me but nothing else

[wintry radish]

I think I know why all this happens now

I hope this is understandable

so when I'm in build mode and press "use: example1" (tracker) then "trackers on" shows "0/1" and if I press "use:example2" (proximity thing) example1 gets disabled ------> press example1 "trackers on: 0/1" press example2 "trackers on: 0/0" BUT "proximity mines on: 0/1"

[astral laurel]

yea i was testing missiles with ai planes and they just didnt work

[wintry radish]

@astral laurel does this also happen to you?

[astral laurel]

no because all the blocks are the same. the use: button basically selects which specific block u want to act as a target/tracker/flare

u just change the color to select wbich one

[wintry radish]

and then if I exit build mode then only the kind of block that I press use on works

let me show you

trackers work but proximity mines dont

mines now do work but the missiles just spin in the air due to the trackers not working. same with selecting use on targets, so for me use just activates one type of block and disables all the other types if that makes sense

sorry for dumping all this here

also as soon as I go into build mode and press use on one of the trackers the missiles that I sent out just fly into me so here's the proof

(Mines aren't active)

[wintry radish]

oh wait im stupid

I just have to use eyeballs as mines or targets

I used random blocks because someone said you can use any block

the problem I talked about only applies to random blocks

I'm sorry for bothering you @half garnet I was just stupid

[half garnet]

you can use any block, but it has to be the same block as the trackers

[wintry radish]

oh, thanks

good to know

[glad sequoia]

I suggest, for the most reliable equipment (as in not having to reset all the blocks by selecting them) is to just use the sphere eyeball block

Works wonders for me

[wintry radish]

I've been using those since I found out

[wintry radish]

I just misunderstood this

[wintry radish]

More precisely, I didn't read it to the end

[glad sequoia]

It's alright, we can all be silly sometimes

[wintry radish]

Just one thing. I tried recreating this, but I don't know how much the thruster power is.

[glad sequoia]

400 each

iirc

[wintry radish]

Alright, thanks

Wait whats iirc?

[glad sequoia]

Would advise experimenting around and finding even better results

[glad sequoia]

If I recall correctly

[wintry radish]

The ones I made are almost identical but the settings are thrust 1500 each, 1500 strength on the tracker, but it is really unfaur

They are*

[wintry radish]

Oh ok

[glad sequoia]

Hello, just wanted to ask if there's been any progress?

[half garnet]

Nope, gotta wait just a tad longer

got a couple exams, plus a competition, so I'm focusing on those

[glad sequoia]

Alright, good luck

[astral laurel]

some ideas:

• set "Tube Double Cross" as default block (maybe)
• create a 3d model to show the forward vector of the selected block in build mode
• be able to use dynamite as a mine block independently
• a keybind to toggle if the blocks are ARMED (toggle to turn on and off targeting for everything)
• artifical drag (ur doing that alr)
• a reticle similar to those on guns to be put on trackers, and with that they turn red when they find a target within its cone angle

[glad sequoia]

I feel like there should be a choice between going for a keybind or having it be in the menu itself

Since people might have the keybinds that are chosen already occupied

[astral laurel]

just allow them to choose what keybind

[slender shell]

It would be cool that when a missile isn't locked on a target it locks the orientation so it's easier to launch and flies into a straight line.

[astral laurel]

yes but wouldnt it act as resistance when its not fired, would be annoying

unless you have a really low activation distance

which would also suck

[slender shell]

well it would use the activation distance to know when it's launched and then it would lock the position

[astral laurel]

but unless you want it to snap to your target right on you probably destroying your wing, you cant use activation distance to help launching

activation distance is for when the missile is off the plane and a safe distance away

not during launch

[slender shell]

it would still be nice even with a high activation distance like 20 blocks because after that if it loses lock it will just fly straight into the mountain

[astral laurel]

yea would be but theres no more space for storing values on the block

[half garnet]

Yeah, right now it expects your missile to be stable enough on its own, I might be able to add that with the extra storage block, but it would be low priority

[glad sequoia]

I think maybe having something that determines how fast the missile strength ramps would be nice?

I guess it would be something like a timer that determines how much time from activation the seeker would take to go from 0-100% strength

Would make the missiles kinda actually turn to the target instead of snapping in

[astral laurel]

:(

[half garnet]

I'm not even sure that was a main update

[astral laurel]

was most recent update

[clear mica]

but tubes are useful

[astral laurel]

yes exactly

[exotic storm]

The problem is that tube double crosses are terrible for flares

[glad sequoia]

Why?

Oh, is it because you can't put them together side by side?

[half garnet]

I've seen T tubes being used quite often since you got some connections, but not too many

Anyhow, default likely won't change, it's easy to change and new people have an easier time guessing the front/not having random pieces be counted

[exotic storm]

Exactly

[untold monolith]

Why are my missiles sometimes sending me to the underworld and then crashing the hosts game?

[half garnet]

I sure would like to know

Maybe too much force/torque

[glad sequoia]

That and you probably need to set an activation distance

[untold monolith]

It was 100 torque

[half garnet]

Hm, should be plenty fine

[glad sequoia]

Oh, I had this first issue

I think it got fixed after I deleted the tracker and put a new one in

[untold monolith]

Oh alright, thanks.

[untold monolith]

What does lead target do?

And also sometimes my missiles don't\ save settings

[exotic storm]

changing the settings of trackers and similar things doesnt make your vehicle autosave, and the modded block settings only save if your vehicle does

(I think)

[astral laurel]

no, it actually happens because if you dont modify any other parts on the creation, and only change color settings through mods, it reverts the changes thinking you did nothing even though it was through mods

so just scooch something back and forth and itll save

[exotic storm]

That pretty much what i said, but intelligible lmao

Ey im teal now

[glad sequoia]

As its name says, tries to make the missiles lead as best as it can

Only works on missiles and torpedos (and other homing vehicles)

And it works pretty well, but sometimes they'll miss regardless

[untold monolith]

Ah

Just didn't make sense and my friend and I never noticed any difference

[untold monolith]

K

[astral laurel]

also lead target basically predicts where your target is going to be. so instead of pointing directly to the target, it goes to where the target is going.

[untold monolith]

That is SO useful

[wintry radish]

does anyone have decent missile designs? I just can't get the perfect balance

[untold monolith]

I have some I guess

[violet whale]

@half garnet any plans to add any sort of obstacle avoidance?

[half garnet]

No

[violet whale]

damn

[half garnet]

Maybe ashm (avoids water)

But that's it

[violet whale]

is it just too difficult to implement

[half garnet]

Just not really worth the effort

Then I'd have to make the missile differenciate between planes and rocks

[acoustic smelt]

@half garnet the flare priority is normally 10 right

[half garnet]

it's like 1.4

[acoustic smelt]

damn how do i remember it as 10 lmao

[half garnet]

i mean, nothing is stopping you from using 10

[acoustic smelt]

well yeah

[half garnet]

i just went with a smaller number so you have to think about when to drop them

[untold monolith]

Could you make it so you could see how many missiles at the moment were locked onto you?

[half garnet]

Perhaps

[acoustic smelt]

yeah, a RWR would be nice

1 more line below these

to show if there are any missiles tracking you

[half garnet]

ye, it's just not that easy (aka, not a number i have stored already), but it's doable

[acoustic smelt]

doable

do it

[half garnet]

right now my priority is being lazy

and controller compatibility

[untold monolith]

crazt

[pulsar stump]

hi, i have been looking through this chat (by searching "plan", but didnt find anything) to see if limiting the force (the force applied, simple limit like the host has with the fov, but here done per missile) of the tracker is planned? it could help with the range of missiles that use force (since now they won't freak out at long ranges). also would allow for easy-ish interaction with logic (we apply a small force, but at all ranges, aka big strength small limit, which connected to a weak suspension can give us "detected" state readable via distance sensors)

[half garnet]

You mean like adding a max force to force trackers? Never thought about it since it was more for close range bombs and stuff, but I guess that could be done.
I am out of data storage on trackers tho, so I might just add a multiplier in host options (so max force is X*force)

[remote wasp]

I can give u my float3zip (zips 3 floats and truncates them to a single float and vice versa)

[half garnet]

Oh, yeah, that could be useful

I'd have to remake a bunch of stuff tho

[remote wasp]

Here u go

Btw how old are ya @half garnet

[pulsar stump]

yes that is what i mean, and i think that host options may not be the best solution, but i guess it would be better than nothing. an alternative to this would be a boolean "toggle constant force". this would make it so that the force will not be put through pid, but the vector of the applied force would just be equal to the normalized vector (from tracker to target) multiplied by the strength, therefore applying constant force amount in the direction of the target (or lead position of the target). this would probably be enough to use with logic, but idk about the use on force missiles

[half garnet]

Thank you

And for the age I'm sure you can take a guess

[half garnet]

A constant force would be easy to add, but also would make it near impossible to hit the target, it would just end up overshooting over and over (since if it passes the target at high speed it will then take a lot just to slow down)

[remote wasp]

Maybe 18 to 20?

[half garnet]

Ye

19

[remote wasp]

I'm 16 and just going high school XD. I've already learned a bunch of highschool maths and physics when making the mods and other projects.

[half garnet]

The one reason to actually use trig :p

[remote wasp]

yea 🤣

Do you need anything else for the mod? Like a boolean zipper (24 booleans to 1 float or stringzip (6 characher long string to float)

[half garnet]

Don't think so

Got my crappy boolean zipper that's bundled with the cone angle

[remote wasp]

Xd

In my new update people can write a custom name for their missiles and then if you kill some 1 with that missile it displays a killfeed message for all.

[half garnet]

Cool

[remote wasp]

6 characters only but they will invent very elaborate names for the missiles

[half garnet]

Meanwhile I should go add ABM's

[remote wasp]

like the n-word

[half garnet]

-_-

[remote wasp]

ABM?

[half garnet]

Anti ballistic missiles

Basically add a toggle to target other missiles

[remote wasp]

oh okay

[half garnet]

Btw... Turns out i've been modding for more then 3 years now... Quite something

[remote wasp]

also they will use the r-word and other like that. Its not a question if but when.

[half garnet]

It's the price to pay for letting people do what they want

[remote wasp]

I have 5 years experience in coding starting from visual basic

then moving onto python, c++, c#, js for online cheats

[half garnet]

I honestly am not sure, I spent a bunch of time taking pauses... Like now (kinda)

[remote wasp]

I'm now on a holiday in Norway (I'm from Finland)

So no modding here

[half garnet]

ah cool

am in italy

(because i live here, i'm not modding just cause i'm lazy)

[remote wasp]

I was taking a break from my mod too when I realised how difficult the UI was to make

[half garnet]

a classic

i should go finish a certain camera mod, but i need to decide how to change the ui

[remote wasp]

A camera mod?

And an UI?

[half garnet]

ye, friend asked for camera mod, nothing difficult, just teleporting the player to another, but i'd want to add a way to target multiple (and avarage positions), just don't know if to make a drop down or what

[remote wasp]

XD you just should make a thing like I. Make the button switch to the next element in the options. Harder to use but easier to implement. Works for larger lists too 🙂

[half garnet]

i mean, rn since it only targets a single player i have a button to change player and a toggle, i think turning it into a toggle for each player would be the best option

a max of 8 buttons is reasonable

it's not like this mod needs to be all that clean

[remote wasp]

ok

But we really should have that FOV function for the modded cameras. Also the set camera rotation should be in euler angles.

And rename the existing function to set camera direction.

[untold monolith]

YES I NEED THIS NOW

I WAS JUST READING CHAT

[half garnet]

fine... i'll work on it

but just because i have both tm and vs code open

i also managed to make quaternion rotation work, but if i update it force won't be the same

[hollow summit]

what does quaternion mean ive never seen it before

[half garnet]

It means that the missiles won't go wonky anymore when vertical

[surreal ice]

fancy way to rotate objects in 3d

[astral laurel]

yay finally

[pulsar stump]

Finally! We can make an active protection system for giant planes!

[half garnet]

anyone cares about that same option on mines or can i skip it?

the mine encoding kinda isn't made to handle bools

also would it be an exclusive option or would it still target other targets if they are closer?

[half garnet]

ok, it's just about ready, didn't actually take long, there is a per missile toggle that endables it, but i need to know some stuff

(no i ain't making it target only missiles that are targeting you)

[kind prism]

im confused what u need to know

[half garnet]

answer the polls

first one is for whose missiles does it target, second is for it also targets the usual flares/targets

[glad sequoia]

I feel like for this, it should be team dependent

[half garnet]

I thought about it, but I need to check, cause I am decently sure that by default all players are considered in the same team

So it would be annoying for everyone to need to change team

(i might end up adding a check so if all players are in the same team it just targets everyone)

[half garnet]

@pulsar stump @untold monolith since you have shown interest i will now annoy you, vote on how you want the missile to behave(just the 2nd poll, i think i know who wins the first)

[pulsar stump]

Jokes on you! This isnt annoying!

Also, where the polls?

[half garnet]

like up here

[untold monolith]

imma tell my freind about this

[untold monolith]

wdym by this

[half garnet]

whose missile does it target

(it was 2am and i can't edit polls)

[half garnet]

oh

[pulsar stump]

Ah yes, yet another bug

[half garnet]

Just tell me which one

[pulsar stump]

I would say yes it does, but missiles have the same priority as flares

And if possible having mines have an option to explode near other trackers would be really good, since then you need less accurate missiles, especially since missiles are usually very hard to hit

[untold monolith]

also sorry for late response i am busy help my friend mine a giant pit in minecraft

[regal sky]

ye

[untold monolith]

like 100x100 pit

[half garnet]

but...

[half garnet]

.

[pulsar stump]

Crap...

[untold monolith]

I'm very sad because I thought this was a 1.9 update announcement lol

[pulsar stump]

Is there a way to add bool encoding? Or are all values already taken in the colors?

[half garnet]

i'm sorry, i'm a cruel god

but no, it is possible, since one of the color is only storing explosion kind

so there is a chance

[pulsar stump]

If there is a way to help, i can try. I am more than willing to try and make this mod better, even if in the tiniest ways

[half garnet]

nah, i'm sure soon or later i'll get to it, it's already a mess for me to understand, i doubt anyone else would have much fun trying to find stuff

[pulsar stump]

Also, if you would need 2 more numbers, you can always store them in the main color and use just one number of the main rgb to determine if its a tracker or a mine or sth. It could create a lot of confusion with people who dont know the mod well, but at least there would be 2 more numbers!

[pulsar stump]

Dont worry, whenever i come back to anything i coded, i always reserve the first 15 minutes to decompiling the mess i created into something understandable

[half garnet]

i mean, i can't stop you, so if you want sure, but i feel like it would be a waste of time

[pulsar stump]

At least i will learn something new 🙂 problem is, i dont have my steam pc wth me, so i cant get the source code, so... could you dm it to me?

[half garnet]

have fun :P only 2k lines

i suggest looking for the UI and for the DetetAll

[pulsar stump]

i will

[pulsar stump]

thx for getting me a point to start with

[kind prism]

jess 100% is a god

[half garnet]

going to give some better info ExpTable is where the explosions are stored, so every mention of it is related to the mines, you should be able to use the module % and higher number, i'm sure you know what i mean

[half garnet]

@pulsar stump to late, i added it

aha, i made you waste time

||am sorry||

[pulsar stump]

aha aha! either way the thing is in the mod!

[half garnet]

yep

[pulsar stump]

i got so far, and yet not. got to the ui, i think i made it work. i made the table, etc, but i was not yet able to actually make it explode when near something 😛

[half garnet]

quite annoyed that you won't get drag block since that seems to make every block (of same type) have random drag

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/no-darth-vader-star-wars-scream-gif-16035270

[half garnet]

yeah, i also had a tad of trouble there, forgot that the table then gets copied to a second table when the mine activates

but if you put the variable name in the table the same as it is in the missile it would have worked since they use the same tracking (not like you could have known)

[pulsar stump]

my main trouble was not having a clue how it works, at least for now. in my defence, this is the second time ever i saw trailmakers modding api and first time i looked at it for more than 10 seconds, so i take this as a win

[half garnet]

reasonable enough

afterall you had to make more ui and change colors

now...

time to check how the polls turned out

[pulsar stump]

also, about the drag block, maybe theres a way to instead do what drag does but in a simplified way, aka reduce speed perpendicular to eye direction? imma look into the api to see if thats possible (now i realized i cant rly since its stored locally and i dont have the game with me)

[half garnet]

i'd need to first check the speed and then add a force

doable but annoying

(you can't get speed but only direction, tho i am getting the speed already)

[pulsar stump]

nice. so... will you make it since its doable, or will you not since its annoying?

[half garnet]

not really planning to tbh

not now at least, the annoyance changes the priority in the list

i'll probably work on leading for turrets or something

[pulsar stump]

Good luck with whatever you are making then! I have a question though. If there ever was a feature i would really want, could i try making it and if its acceptable you would add it? I never did it since i didnt ask you this before and i dont like to mess with the code of others without permission

[half garnet]

yeah, feel free to mess with it

and as long as it's not extremely laggy or totally unrelated i'll se about merging it

[pulsar stump]

https://tenor.com/view/rugby-yay-gif-3156747878755757137

Ill try copy pasting as much of your solutions as possible since they arent laggy

[half garnet]

if you say so...

like the block detection is terrible, instead of going trough each block once and storing all special one it goes trough once for every kind of block

[remote wasp]

I have a pretty good block detection system up my sleeve...

Just say if you want it (you just need to modify it a bit to make it not merge the structures close to eachother). Which is easy to make

[half garnet]

nah it shouldn't even be that hard

but i like how it is now that you just call a function with the table where to put the blocks and their color

[remote wasp]

ok

[half garnet]

I should probably upload it to the workshop soon

[astral laurel]

perchance

[urban shell]

Whats the difference between force and torque?

Does anyone uses force?

[hollow summit]

Force moves the missile directly to the player without thrusters

[half garnet]

Good for bombs, tho apparently it has issues

[potent pine]

i have a problem: servers that i host with the missile mod keep crashing 5-20 minutes after opening. this issue has been a problem for multiple months now and have to join other people's servers instead (which are often laggy/not in my region)

my pc specs are arguably great (ryzen 9 5900x, rtx 3070ti, 64 gigs ram)

is anyone else having this issue?

[half garnet]

so, imma ask 2 things

1: try enabling single processor server in the setting, not sure if it will change anything, but it's worth a try

[potent pine]

holup haven't heard of that one

nevermind found it

[half garnet]

2: send the logs found here C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Trailmakers\mods the file name is Custom Missiles Mod3084520196.log

(by this i mean after a crash, if you just started a new server don't send them, they will be empty)

[potent pine]

i see

i will try now

hopefully i won't have to send anything lol

[potent pine]

while i'm waiting for people to join, could you explain to me what this does?

[half garnet]

iic it disables multithreading, there isn't a specific reason i told you to turn it on, but it solves a bunch of crashing related issues, so it might even fix mod crashing, dunno

[potent pine]

hasn't crashed yet running for like 5 mins

incredibly hasn't crashed yet

that setting might've just fixed the issue for now

oop crashed

but probably because of the massive explosion that happened

2024-08-16T01:37:41.2704721+02:00 1.5.0
2024-08-16T01:37:41.2759935+02:00 player joined
2024-08-16T01:39:08.7224170+02:00 player joined
2024-08-16T01:39:40.4865523+02:00 player joined
2024-08-16T01:39:54.6875280+02:00 player joined
2024-08-16T01:44:57.4137978+02:00 player joined

i think it wasn't related to the mod, i didn't get the "oh no" screen

[half garnet]

So just about 20 minutes tho

[potent pine]

ye

[half garnet]

And is that really all there is? Seems a bit little

[potent pine]

yep

[half garnet]

Hm

[potent pine]

reloaded the path twice

i think it was bc of a massive explosion

it didn't crash randomly

[half garnet]

Might be

[potent pine]

ima make an uneducated guess that the original problem is solved

[half garnet]

Hopefully

[potent pine]

think the server couldn't handle like 20 pieces of tnt at the same time

thank you for your time tho

much appretiated

[half garnet]

Np

[half garnet]

Well, that was wrong

[potent pine]

it has crashed again after like 20 mins today

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

same way as original issue

and i have the log

crap i just realized force singe process server wasn't on

discard that lmao

only problem with the setting is that the server is laggier overall

aaaand it just crashed regularly

[potent pine]

1 cpu core is not enough so could you please look into this?

[half garnet]

hmm, tho the mod seems to be having an issue

trying to get the position of a nonexistant block

[astral laurel]

funny

[half garnet]

i'll check it later, meanwhile do you remember what blocks you had running when that happened?

[potent pine]

uhhh no not really it just crashed randomly (and i definitely can't remember it now loll)

[potent pine]

crashed twice more in the meantime

3rd time now

[half garnet]

Hmm

[potent pine]

might be bc of cpu overload

a single core ain't gun cut it

[half garnet]

the logs still have that Failed to call update System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException:
?

[potent pine]

lemme check

latest log

2024-08-16T23:59:21.9714192+02:00 1.5.0
2024-08-16T23:59:21.9759276+02:00 player joined
2024-08-17T00:01:43.9560353+02:00 player joined

[half garnet]

did you just start a new server?

[potent pine]

all 3 of the last crashes were bc of cpu

nah

[half garnet]

hm

[potent pine]

tm is currently closed

after it got rudely interrupted

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-gif-25300545

[half garnet]

don't really know what to say, haven't seen other people having crashes this constantly

and the mod logs don't seem to explain anything

[potent pine]

only mod log that tells anything is when the cpu option is turned off

and when it's on it gets overloaded

2 seperate issues i'm afraid

[half garnet]

what about the game logs, found in C:\Documenti\TrailMakers\ErrorLogs

just send the ErrorLogs.gz file

[potent pine]

can't find the document file on c

documenti

[half garnet]

ah, whoop

just go manually, from documents folder, trailmakers, errorlogs

[potent pine]

what do i send, the file or the text inside?

[half garnet]

just send the whole file

[potent pine]

just for the record tm is still off and prolly won't be launching it soon

[half garnet]

yeah

[potent pine]

ima go eat but i'll be here

[half garnet]

according to the logs:
`A crash has been intercepted by the crash handler. For call stack and other details, see the latest crash report generated in:

• C:/Users/"Username"/AppData/Local/Temp/Flashbulb/Trailmakers/Crashes`

[potent pine]

alr, will check

i got like 10 in here

(folders)

[half garnet]

makes sense, given all the crashes

[potent pine]

some from 2023

[half garnet]

just see what's in the most recent one

[potent pine]

i'll send you the last 6 ones

last one? bet

uhhh it's failing

won't let me send

[half garnet]

the other 5 might have the same thing (also i'm not even sure i know how to decipher these logs)

[half garnet]

huh

second to last one? same issue?

[potent pine]

i can't send a folder for some reason

1

the last one

[half garnet]

you have to compress them before sending them

[potent pine]

right i'm dumb

here ya go

so used to sending images and not compressing

and my dumbass KNOWS i have to compress files before sending

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-big-mouth-gif-24568110

[half garnet]

ah yes, i can read this

[potent pine]

whut de hell

miscoroft symbol ahh language

[half garnet]

the other is actually readable and mentions attempting to access and invalid memory address

and tells me once again to look here for the crash report...

[potent pine]

the one with a kjillion lines?

[half garnet]

yeh

[potent pine]

jesus allat for 1 crash log?

still not nowhere as big as the war thunder localization

that made my notepad significantly lag

[half garnet]

hm, well, the most i can gather is that it's probably a weird memory allocation issue, the other file is just windows dumping the memory since it crashed, and i am definetly not good enough to gather good info from that

i'd say go to bug reports, explain the problem (using the mod ecc... tried single processor...) and send the zip and ErrorLogs that you sent here

[potent pine]

alright

thank you for your time mate

[half garnet]

no problem, always happy to help

well... try... :p

[potent pine]

also, completely unrelated, why am i getting a 3 year flair now?

[half garnet]

you joined 14 january 2021

and it updates only when you send a message

[potent pine]

lol talk about being inactive

mostly been on random smaller tm servers

wow i've been playing this game for long now

[half garnet]

yeah, don't tell me :P

5 years next month

[potent pine]

yippee

and only 780hrs of gameplay on me

took a long break

[half garnet]

i just ended my long break yesterday

[potent pine]

but for the last 3 updates i've been a regular

[half garnet]

tho, now am probably going to sleep

cya

[potent pine]

cya gnight

[potent pine]

question, when can i see my problem resolved (approximately)?

i don't wanna seem like i'm pushing you, i'm just curious

[half garnet]

Today was Saturday so they ain't working

On Monday you should have your answer

[potent pine]

alright

my server just crashed completely out of nowhere again

(using the "fix")

no players on it too

[blissful oak]

hey, the mod doesnt detect trackers and targets for me right now, no idea why

i have restarted the game multiple times

[half garnet]

As in? Selecting the block doesn't show up the menu?

[blissful oak]

when i spawn something using the tracker/target colored eye block, it doesnt detect it

like the menu for the mod doesnt say any trackers are active and the tracking code doesnt work

[half garnet]

Controller or keyboard?

[blissful oak]

keyboard

[half garnet]

Hm... But the menu in build mode works fine?

[blissful oak]

build menu works fine

oh wierd i went into build mode and clicked the block and now its detecting it

maybe it was me messing a setting up

[half garnet]

Wacky

Well, as long as it works now it's all fine

[blissful oak]

it looks like it works now yeah, i just have to go in and out of build mode when i spawn

trailmakers moment ig

[half garnet]

There are a bunch of people having similar issues in the steam comments as well

[blissful oak]

i posted one there earlier but i cant find it now lol, steam being wonk

[half garnet]

Dragonboi?

[blissful oak]

no its the same as my discord

[half garnet]

Then I also didn't see it

[blissful oak]

its the same problem as i told you here so

whatever

[half garnet]

Ye, just weird

[blissful oak]

can confirm server is crashing every 5-10 minutes with the mod on, just so you know

[half garnet]

Goddamn it

And I even rolled back to the previous version

[blissful oak]

ive had to restart my server 5 times in the last hour

[half garnet]

Did this start now or was that a thing before as well?

[blissful oak]

ive only used the mod in a server today, but it has the whole time

since then

and it crashes me in single player ocasionally, not nearly as often

[pulsar stump]

can confirm the mod crashed super rarely when compared to now. which part of the log should i send?

[analog flame]

for some reason when i try to add both a mine and a tracker on the same build

it just wont let me

it unassigns the other block

also is there a good thruster for 1x1 missles + fins without any dlcs

also what is lead target

[exotic storm]

the mines have to be the same blocks as the trackers, just the colours are different

you cant have seperate blocks for mines and trackers

[analog flame]

ok nice to know

whats like the simpliest missle i could make (mainly what to use for the thruster)

and do i even use fins

[exotic storm]

aside from the mini thruster the thruster is the only one that works, only thing is that its lopsided

you can changed the targeting method to force and use no thruster, but then it will activate as soon as you drop it

[exotic storm]

fins are extremely helpful for making the missile more realistic, the only problem is their size

[exotic storm]

lead target makes the tracker point ahead to where it thinks the target will be, when the missile reaches it

[analog flame]

ok thanks!

[exotic storm]

happy to help

[pulsar stump]

you can use the space rudder as fins (one space rudder is enough for the whole missile), problem is it adds additional drag, so you have to compensate with engine power

[analog flame]

Engine power is my only problem btw

Since no thrusters are the right sizs

[half garnet]

Whoever made the mod must have been lazy

[kind prism]

damn thats crazy coming from the person who didn't make the mod

[half garnet]

Tru

[half garnet]

And as the person who didn't make the mod I can say that it would be very confusing if you had to set it for every block

[unborn heart]

Hi, I was wondering what's on the to-do list for the mod and what your workflow is. I'd like to try tinkering with the mod... Do you have the source in a public repo or somewhere other than the workshop?

[half garnet]

The to do list is here

As for the source, no, there isn't any other place to get it, but feel free to copy the one from the workshop (if need be I can tell you were to find it) or i can send it to you, it's the same files anyway

[unborn heart]

Ic, thanks. I have a few ideas I might try for drag blocks. If they work, I'll just send a message here.

[half garnet]

The drag block was technically implemented

But the API function messes with all blocks of the same type, in a very unreliable way