General modding chat

[scenic echo]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Basic_Modding_Guide look at this

setup tooling

[mint grove]

oh ty

[mint grove]

i need trailmakers_docs.lua for this gah damn

[scenic echo]

get it from alvaro's github

[mint grove]

oh ok imma look for it

[scenic echo]

it's the nr 7

in setup tooling

i might be mixing stuff up

[mint grove]

i think i found it

[near parcel]

https://github.com/ALVAROPING1/Trailmakers-API-LuaLS follow the readme (i still need to update it with 2.3 stuff, just haven't had time yet)

[mint grove]

damn ok no it seems like there is no macOS version

for

lua language server

[oblique bone]

lowkey adjusting the PFB_DispensableSnowball as a smoke trail wouldnt be to bad

wdyt

looks awfull rn cus i dont despawn and it has gravity

[cinder spruce]

yeah maybe but ultimately i wanna find an alternative trail that doesn’t require spawning a trillion objects, mostly cause of the object cap

[oblique bone]

or smoke from PFB_CrashedMayorPlane if u can scale down the plane and keep the smoke.

[oblique bone]

same but dont think there is a alternative

im lookng thru every single one rn 🙏

[cinder spruce]

maybe look into the flamethrower object

[oblique bone]

i tryd it but idk how to rotate it

[cinder spruce]

gameobject.GetTransform().SetRotation(rotation)

[oblique bone]

oo

i must have donse um wrong then lol

still flame starts of at 0 flame

so if im going to respawn to change pos then it will basicly barly bne any flame

[cinder spruce]

what about a single flamethrower moved to the missile every frame?

[oblique bone]

mmm

would be better then what it is rn but the flame is lowkey big asf

[cinder spruce]

i think a single one might look fine

[oblique bone]

wont hurt to try

il test it

[scenic echo]

i think that's what @topaz arrow uses in his experimental cmm

[oblique bone]

some wierd pink stuff behind it but it looks ok tho. the fire gets very stretchd and long :/

[cinder spruce]

thats the flamethrower base, its texture broke recently

u can scale the object so its small and it wont change the particles

oh wait thats the other particles that broke

dont think ur able to change those :(

[oblique bone]

😔

spawning micro explotions is so much better looking

but heavy on preformance

spawning 10 missiles drops me from 410fps to 80

mby a custom model made to look like smoke lmao

lookd awfull

but the model was awfull aswell tho

[cinder spruce]

thats not even my biggest concern,
the object cap for the amount of total objects you can spawn in a single session is capped to 65535, where spawning 1 explosion every frame will give 1092 seconds of missile time for the server not including any other objects that get spawned

[oblique bone]

oh

bruh

is that why im fucking crashing lmao

mby the flame or custom obj smoke is the way then

@cinder spruce do u have like a radar block or how do u do your tracking and locking to be realistic?

[cinder spruce]

this might be temporary but rn i just go through all the players in the game a check which ones are within a cone from the front of the missile, and then pick the closest one

[oblique bone]

ama try implement radar and rwr with sounds now. ama just use the flame as a smoke trail ngl

[oblique bone]

i got 3 blocks as of now. rwr, radar and missile launcher

[scenic echo]

We will have 6 missile mods on the workshop, if these 2 will be finished

[radiant lion]

If anyone needs it the missile mod V2 has an easy way to implements blocks with custom functionality and data storage

Totally not saying it cause I spent a bunch of effort making it just for it to be left abandoned

[scenic echo]

Yeah... I'm gonna definitely take a look at that

[scenic echo]

It's still a good mod for air to air missiles, i just didn't really use it because of the weird tracking behaviour i was experiencing

[oblique bone]

why dose "LvlObj_BotnakCampRadar_Start" not stop playing ...

am i doing sum wrong ._.

[warm canopy]

Because theirs no proper way of stopping sounds

[radiant lion]

Comments are... Lacking, to say the least, if you have questions just ask
I was planning on a nice way to implement keybinds, but as of now the best you could do is hard code one or have to scroll trough every key, which is suboptimal

[cinder spruce]

i mean we have the new OnPlayerKeyDown now, its not all to hard too make custom keybinds now

[radiant lion]

It's more about implementing the UI and storage, even before you could just automatically make a function for each keybind (like in trailedit)

[cinder spruce]

Ive made an IR seeker for target selection,
i wanna try and see if i can make an cage/uncage system

[oblique bone]

are u spawning objects for your ui?

like 3d

[cinder spruce]

yes

[oblique bone]

smart

there is no way to know angle of users cammera to right?

so i could adjust the obj for it

[scenic echo]

You can get where the player is pointed, that's about it

[scenic echo]

Awesome

[scenic echo]

i've done some testing and it seems that raycast with ignoreTriggers true, seem to detect custom objects spawned with SpawnCustomObjectRigidbody() that are set to be trigger with SetIsTrigger()
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1488091287877062668

[stiff falcon]

what exaclty is the player is invincible tag states
pcall(tm.players.SetPlayerIsInvincible, self.id, enabled)

ive tried setting it to disabled and false but it wont work

[regal bear]

It's boolean so either true or false.
I recall something about it being overridden by the player's setting in the menu.

[stiff falcon]

hmm yea alright it might be the over ridden thing then because after testing if i had it off in the game settings it worked but once on it didnt i was trying to have it so i could have the in game one on then in the code turn it off temporarily and turn it back on to kill players

[regal bear]

yeah pretty sure it was requested a while back for the devs to fix it

[stiff falcon]

alright thank you

[stiff falcon]

do you think you could tell me or show how i would be able to spawn in a blueprint with the mod ive tried to and i just cant get it to work

[sturdy iris]

Yeah it's overridden and doesn't work

[ancient onyx]

does anyone know if players.KillPlayer works or not?

[cinder spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296562030624899072/1489137477863215224/GifCapture-202604020041236876.gif?ex=69cf52d9&is=69ce0159&hm=4be68ad749f61b4e0856e1777c015ce9ee2821949e6cc5761492c5c27074e315&
this is why we need modded custom UI

[stiff falcon]

it does but only if the in game invincibility toggle is off

[dapper jay]

i assume this is done with a bunch of objects floating in front of the plane?

[elfin yarrow]

i need that vector tbh

awesome for landings

[mint grove]

Ngl would be cool if we could have a more advanced display for this type of stuff

[scenic echo]

This also with a lead indicator for bullets would be quite useful

[cinder spruce]

it already has it
you were playing with it

[scenic echo]

it does?

[quasi fossil]

Why im getting time out im banned or something like that? i verify the archives ,restart the pc i redownload the game what is the issue? can someone help me please <@&357440131587637254>

[fallow fox]

#announcements message
and dont ping mods for this

[quasi fossil]

@fallow fox ok thank you

[small violet]

just curious since i dont really know anything about modding this game, is it at all possible to change the sound or volume of something?
and how about something like explosion effects?
because if a mod that makes explosions more realistic in any way is possible, ill get into modding

[near parcel]

is it at all possible to change the sound or volume of something
no, at most you can play built-in sounds on top
and how about something like explosion effects
you can spawn explosions, but i don't remember if they worked correctly when scaled

[small violet]

i meant like custom explosion effects
maybe putting a bunch of extra built in smoke to make explosions more smoky and less fiery??

[near parcel]

you can spawn multiple assets yeah

[spiral raven]

egg farm 🪴

[cinder spruce]

idk if it does forums

[spiral raven]

aww

[quaint juniper]

are there any mods that work well for custom missiles? i used to use the custom missile mod all the time and it was cool but doesnt seem to work anymore, even in the previous 2.2 update.

[scenic echo]

is there a way to get the player from player Id?

[near parcel]

all apis take the id of the player to get their data, so just skip the step of getting the player id

[scenic echo]

yeah, i did that

[tame tulip]

ey chat

is there a mod to remove the builds despawn timer?

or jst increase it to an incredibly high number

[radiant lion]

I am afraid not

[tame tulip]

NOOOOO

awdipajpwjdaspidajdpiwajdpiasdjpiad

is it possible to make a mod like such?\

[radiant lion]

You could automatically re-spawn the same build in the same place every time

Which I might have, I don't remember

[tame tulip]

wouldnt that stop it from moving?

[radiant lion]

I guess you could re-spawn it where it was

But it's not perfect, especially if you are in it

[near parcel]

only if the blueprint is from the mod, you can't do that for player made creations

[tame tulip]

dang

[eternal pelican]

Would anyone here be able to answer any questions about the inner workings of the game

I'm trying to emulate it on my phone

[near parcel]

your best bet is streaming it from a pc/cloud gaming

[eternal pelican]

I know that

But I've already gotten the game to boot into the menu and load into a level

The only issue is that the loading screen doesn't disappear

@near parcel

Here is my current progress

[radiant lion]

I don't remember if it's still there, but if there is a "force single core processing" option enable it

[eternal pelican]

Wouldn't that nuke my performance

[radiant lion]

Iirc not much and it used to make these kind of loading screens go away

Still worth a try, it doesn't cost you anything... That is, again, if it still exists, part of me remembers it not being needed anymore

Else the usual things, check if you have the right drivers for your GPU, and maybe try other emulations apps (games native should be the other one)

[eternal pelican]

Just disabled this

That's the only thing that sounds related

[radiant lion]

Hm, no i mean in the in-game settings

[eternal pelican]

Ohh

[eternal pelican]

I might be the only person ever that will need it

[radiant lion]

I found messages mentioning it a couple days ago, it seems I dreamt it being removed

[eternal pelican]

Thankfully they didn't

[radiant lion]

The magic "fix everything" setting

[eternal pelican]

I'm a bit upset with the performance though

Theoretically my phone is more powerful than the minimum requirements

[radiant lion]

What phone?

[eternal pelican]

Red magic 9 pro

It's the equivalent of a low end gaming PC

A very low end one I've come to notice

[near parcel]

you are running it through both a translation (fex) and compatibility (wine/proton) layer. All of that costs performance (and that's before considering power limits)

[eternal pelican]

I am aware

I have the ability to force the phone to be at maximum clocks all the time which is 3.3 GHz

Power isn't an issue

If it really is that much of a performance loss through emulation then I just guess it's not there yet

[near parcel]

clock speed isn't everything, x86 (desktop cpu) does way more on a single cycle than arm (phone cpu)

[radiant lion]

Tho it's amazing what arm CPUs can do with so little power

[eternal pelican]

From what it looks I have some optimizing to do and I believe it's possible to get to a solid 50

[near parcel]

yeah, they are very efficient, but what phones optimize for is battery life and size over raw performance

[eternal pelican]

That may apply to normal phone manufacturers but I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to my phone in particular

The brand behind my phones whole thing is gaming performance

[radiant lion]

Hate to be the voice of reason, but it might be time to #off-topic

Or general

[mint grove]

I would be curious what you'r settings are cus I have a Ayn thor and I wanted to try getting trailmakers working there

[eternal pelican]

Sure

[heavy seal]

Why is it so long 😭

[cinder spruce]

havent been doing a whole lot functionality wise on the mod, mostly just bug fixes
i'm trying my best to make this mod very stable to minimize crashing, working out pretty good so far

[near parcel]

@formal crane fyi, the modcolor docs are printed twice in the built-in docs (once around quaternion docs, and again at the end)

[formal crane]

I'll setup a task for it, thanks for reporting 🙂

[mint grove]

Bruh your learning another art form😭 😭 😭

[scenic echo]

now with rc we can spawn blueprints in specific areas to send information to blueprints... this gives me ideas

[oblique bone]

did u just figure that out?

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[scenic echo]

no, i've been thinking about it a long time

[oblique bone]

what u gona build

[scenic echo]

nothing, i have too many projects

[oblique bone]

real

[stiff falcon]

is there a way i can track specific block types? like right now i can do block.IsEngineBlock and im only able to get the different engine types like jets props and gyros but im trying to get block types like 2x1 or 2x2 or anything inbetween same for gun amounts

[scenic echo]

You can get the names of blocks

[stiff falcon]

how exacly? ive tried and i cant find anything anywhere on how too

[scenic echo]

Iirc .getname()

[scenic echo]

Try searching for it in the docs

[stiff falcon]

i did

[sturdy iris]

ModBlock.GetName() not hard enough.
https://trailmakers.ludixi.com/docs?lib=tm#cat-ModBlock

[oblique bone]

was this done by scaling up the player model on a older version of the game?

[sturdy iris]

was what done?

[oblique bone]

scaling up the player model?

if im not wrong u can do that

[sturdy iris]

huh?

[oblique bone]

what is confusing...

[sturdy iris]

"was this done by scaling up the player model on a older version of the game?" was what done?

[oblique bone]

?

can u not see that gif or what

[sturdy iris]

no

[oblique bone]

oh

mb

[oblique bone]

its there for me

https://imgur.com/6xY8xFh

can u see now

[sturdy iris]

yes ive seen that before and i have no clue how that happend. i think it was a bug but i cant find the source of it

[oblique bone]

ah dang alright

would be nice to know how to do it

[sturdy iris]

#off-topic message here might be your first clue.

[near parcel]

that was done by a dev way before mods were a thing

[oblique bone]

ah dang

not recreatable?

[sturdy iris]

not with mods atleast

not such as that

[near parcel]

no

[oblique bone]

kk

[near parcel]

#clips-and-screenshots message this is the original

[sturdy iris]

Ah I couldn't find it. I just used the link and that led to that message in off topic

[paper bone]

Is the field of view of the modded cameras always the same or does it depend on the players personal fov settings?

[sturdy iris]

only 1 way to check i guess

[paper bone]

Yeah ill check when i get home, but maybe someone already knows

[neon portal]

How do i make maps?

[mint grove]

Hello

[polar harbor]

has there been any word on when modded thrust will be fixed

[scenic echo]

Next hotfix update probably

[exotic nacelle]

Anyone know if there’s a mod to increase view distance?

[near parcel]

not possible

[exotic nacelle]

Aww

My bigass megastructure map looks crap with the view distance

[latent pine]

just take the silent hill approach and hide everything behind fog

[exotic nacelle]

are there any semitransparent blocks i can use in trailmappers?

or do i js use the inbuilt fog to my advantage

also i made it a bit too big 😭

it extends past the skybox i need to half it

[latent pine]

don't think so

[exotic nacelle]

ok

gonna be tryin to make this

[formal crane]

this might have gone past me; what you referring to?

[near parcel]

Set/get thruster power functions

[elfin yarrow]

what does ping builds do?

[mint grove]

That's so cool

[oblique bone]

spawns flag over users build (over 10 structures) so if somthing is lagging serv, i can figure out whos build it is

[oblique bone]

ty

adding cage and jumpscare rn

[elfin yarrow]

jumpscares?

[mint grove]

I was just about to ask

[oblique bone]

oooh yeah

gota find a way to blast sounds like crazy tho

rn i only got scary imgs

[elfin yarrow]

ok so yk the square siren

like 600 of those on alarm mode max pitch

instant fep

[oblique bone]

using mods to do sound cant use blocks twin

[elfin yarrow]

just spawn a bp next to them

[oblique bone]

u cant do that

[elfin yarrow]

why not

[oblique bone]

idk ask the devs lmao

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Trailmakers\mods\trailmakers_audio.txt"

here are all the sounds available

[elfin yarrow]

you can spawn bp's

i forgot how but you cans

[oblique bone]

using mods?

are u sure

@ornate plaza can u spanw bps using mods?

[elfin yarrow]

this maybe

[mint grove]

Wait u can make sound with mods?

[mint grove]

You can

[oblique bone]

cant add sounds just use a preset of sounds :(

[mint grove]

Ohhhh that's unfortunate

[cinder spruce]

yes but make sure to load the blueprint image first by using tm.physics.AddTexture()

[scenic echo]

can it be used to steal builds?
If yes, don't upload it with that

[oblique bone]

well ig yeah, u can kick out of seat and freeze

[scenic echo]

you should probably remove the kicking out of seat stuff if you upload it, i don't want people to stop joinning modded servers because there is a mod that you can use to steal stuff

[oblique bone]

could limit it. or destroy seat when they get kickd out

[sturdy iris]

Probably the best bet to just destroy the seat or the whole build all together then

[formal crane]

Submitted fix now for next update 🙂

[scenic echo]

that's probably the best way of doing it, get the players seat block withtm.players.GetPlayerSeatBlock(playerId) and then destroy that block with ModBlock.InstantKill()

ModBlock.SetStartHealth(hp), what can this be used for? is it like a thing that you do in build mode or something else?

[oblique bone]

what more should be added

other then tps cus im going to add that soon

[oblique bone]

why dose it show up as this?

tm.playerUI.AddUILabel(ownerPlayerId, "lbl_actions", "<color=#000000>\u{2500}\u{2500}\u{2500}</color> <color=#ff4455>ACTIONS</color> <color=#000000>\u{2500}\u{2500}\u{2500}</color>")

[near parcel]

Because labels are limited in byte count

(They have to be sent to clients through the network, which is very limited in terms of packet size)

That cut-off point matches exactly with the first 63 UTF-8 bytes, with 64 being the limit specified in the docs

[oblique bone]

ok ty

[regal bear]

ModStructure.Dispose() is a very clean way to do it. It instantly removes the whole build from around the player.

[tribal gate]

I just had a great mod idea. Go through every structure in a server and document the amount, position, and type of blocks placed in the structure, and save it to a text file

then it could be used to rebuild the structure by hand

or if we ever get the ability for mods to place blocks then that too

it could also be used to profile users based on what types of builds the use so if they have joined your server multiple times before and all of their builds have an overwhelming amount of emps/guns then it could be used to auto kick them

only concern with it would be over time it could take up a bit of storage space depending on how long you use it although its not like text files use much anyway

[mint grove]

So basically a build stealing mod

[elfin yarrow]

i think taking an image and copying that would be faster and easier

[tribal gate]

yeah that was the original idea but I think its equally as useful for the auto kicking. also I've already seen plenty of people talk about build stealing mods in this channel since the update that allowed people to kick people out of seats

[elfin yarrow]

ofc it would only be surface level

[tribal gate]

also thats not possible with mods

[elfin yarrow]

yeah just look at this one

[elfin yarrow]

not with mods, just genuinely f5 cam to their build and take a pic

[tribal gate]

yeah but thats not as in depth

and you cant auto kick people with it

[mint grove]

True

[tribal gate]

you'd have to go inside their build to see all the blocks with f5

[elfin yarrow]

only surface level

[tribal gate]

and i've already created half the mod since I've made a block id system that uses that sort of information to identify blocks in another one of my mods so I could just copy the code then simply add the file system. although i'll probably end up improving the id system now that (as far as I've heard) getting a blocks health works properly now

I was also thinking it could be used to detect if anyone steals your builds too since if they spawn the same build but it never detected you gave it to them then it could notify the host

hard part about that though is detecting if you gave it to them since if I just made it check if you were near it when they got in then it wouldn't work all of the time and its also possible its on workshop

also can we get a f5 detection feature for mods because the time stop in that is different than the speed time stop so for one of my mods I need to detect if they enter f5 and for some reason that's not a keybind that can be detected either

also while I'm at it I thought I might as well ask for the ability to set whether or not custom objects affect the camera since passing the camera through them becomes very annoying when you don't want them to collide with the camera

[mint grove]

Please do not make a mod to steal others builds

And even if do not release it into the public

[tribal gate]

that's not even the purpose of the mod anymore. it was the original idea since someone stole my build and I thought It would be nice to be able to give some payback but now I really like the auto kicking aspect. Also that's not what I want the f5 feature for, it's for a different mod that shows distance sensor rays because pausing the game via f5 will mess with their position accuracy while pausing it via the game speed doesn't so anytime someone tries using f5 to pause the game I want to be able to tell them not too

I never planned on releasing a mod like that anyway. at most I was just gonna use it against people who stole my builds as a way to get them to stop doing it. although I would like to release the auto kick mod in which case storing the build information in text files could lead to some issues since the host could just look at them

i've just now realized how much I say also

[oblique bone]

Alr ty

[scenic echo]

Most people don't know where mods store their data, and even if they knew, it's quite difficult to find the mod's folder if you don't know what you're looking for

[tribal gate]

Good point but even then there’s still a chance that a Modder would try to abuse it. also I personally have it on quick access so if someone else does then it wouldn't be hard at all for them to find it. although I probably won't do much about it anyway since it isn't very likely someone would do that and plus if someone really wanted to steal builds that much and they know where the mod folder is then I doubt there's anything stopping them from just looking at the code and modifying it to do so

[oblique bone]

what more should i add to the server tab or add in general?

[elfin yarrow]

now what the hell is Rush' em

[oblique bone]

troll face rushing towards user lol

[elfin yarrow]

this mod is a war crime 😭

[oblique bone]

added flymode

https://tenor.com/view/curious-very-curious-magnifying-glass-looking-peeking-gif-3027926178787907205

[cinder spruce]

got a bit busy but finally back to working on missile mod
quick little fix, i reuse the gameobject from the hardpoint on the missile itself now so it doesnt need to spawn a new object, and looks much cleaner when launching

[formal crane]

<@&1123912996406706277> 2.3.3 patch out now, here is modding changes https://www.playtrailmakers.com/post/2-3-3-live-now

Features

• Added tm.players.OnPlayerFlipStructure and tm.players.OnPlayerRepairStructure events

Fixes

• Fixed ModBlock.GetJetPower() and ModBlock.SetJetPower() throwing exception

[serene magnet]

Holy shit. Flip structure is gonna be so good for demo derby redux

[crisp oak]

my mod works again 🔥 🔥

[cinder spruce]

oo yay it came out

[crisp oak]

not to be impatient, but why'd the fix for especially get/set jetpower take so long?

[formal crane]

i first knew about the issue two weeks ago lol

and simple because the patch was waiting for other things to land and be fixed.

[oblique bone]

after banning a block how do i unban it without setting its limit to above 0?

[near parcel]

looking at the docs, it seems like setting the limit to >complexity limit is the only way

[oblique bone]

dang okay

[mint grove]

I can't wait to have time

[oblique bone]

any suggestions on what to add?

[elfin yarrow]

clear chat

[oblique bone]

oki

[near parcel]

there is no api for that, you can only send messages and react to player messages

[oblique bone]

can send a empty space with no name a couple times to "clear chat"

[elfin yarrow]

exactly

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[oblique bone]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[elfin yarrow]

w-b-7h1n9k1n90n7h-54m-fr-qu-ncy

btw what are "crash risk blocks"?

[oblique bone]

bans cameras cus u can crash a server with them, also headlamps cus they are very laggy in big quantities and can crash aswell

[elfin yarrow]

magnets can fit in that category

[oblique bone]

yeah but i feel like puting a limit on them mby cus banning them is harsh, alot of builds use them

[elfin yarrow]

fair

[scenic echo]

Does frans know? If not that's something that definitely is needed, and someone should suggest it

[near parcel]

don't think so, feel free to open a suggestion. It could be something as simple as using -1 limit to indicate no limit

[vernal cedar]

Is there a mod that gives infinite ammo

Im making a minigun jetpack

[scenic echo]

not really

[oblique bone]

is it posible to disable collision on a spawned object?

ik its posible idk how to tho

[scenic echo]

ModGameObject.SetIsTrigger(isTrigger) should work

[oblique bone]

ty

[vernal cedar]

Is there a mod that lets you scale blocks

[near parcel]

no

[rocky knot]

in alvas time mod i'm trying to modify it so i can advance multiple frames per keybind press - but i'm not sure which part actually advances the frame.
i'm relatively sure it's this part but if any of y'all could confirm i'd be happy

[near parcel]

the way it advances frame by frame is by setting a flag to stop time (0 time scale) on the next update call. You would have to replace that flag with a counter that decrements on each update call to delay setting the time scale to 0

[oblique bone]

im trying to push a update, whats the issue. it wont upload been on the same page for a couple min

[near parcel]

are you going through the normal upload new mod flow?

[oblique bone]

no. i pressd update

[near parcel]

that's correct

did you change the preview image?

[oblique bone]

i have

[near parcel]

is it under 1MB?

[oblique bone]

yes

[near parcel]

do you get an error?

[oblique bone]

no, its just stuck on that screen

i pressd edit

if thats what im suppost to do to update the file

turns out " " was the issue

[formal crane]

I did write it down 😉

[unkempt olive]

does anyone know if its possible to make a mod that can like edit stats in-game so u can like change a certain blocks weight or a thrusters trust or something like that? if so, how?

[elfin yarrow]

there's at least 3 mods that has the ability to change thruster power

but unless it got fixed recently, the thruster power changing function is broken

[crisp oak]

it has been fixed

[crisp oak]

as far as im aware there's no way to change the weight of blocks

but you can edit the stats of thrusters/engines

[elfin yarrow]

awesome

[mint grove]

I want summer break to finally bless my time

[oblique bone]

same

[mint grove]

Like maybe I'll be able to finish my projects

[oblique bone]

lol fr

[mint grove]

Like krunch wanted to help me but I can't receive that help cus I haven't yet finished Smth I would need to send him😭 😭 😭

[zenith lark]

is there a way to make a trailmappers map spawn in and also set the session settings (waves and time)

[cinder spruce]

you can do time by using tm.world.SetTimeOfDay(percent) inside the main.lua file created in the map’s mod folder
waves unfortunately you cant (you should suggest it)

though remember every time u export from trailmappers, it will overwrite that file and you will need to readd it

[oblique bone]

could u not make that file read only, or dose the map stuff live inside of that file to?

[elfin yarrow]

i think the trailmapper writes into there

like the coordinates and scale and what to spawn

-# i popped open a trailmappers main.lua output one time don't trust this with your life

[cinder spruce]

it writes map data into data static folder, the lua file just reads that and spawns everything in it

the lua file is always the same for every map

[elfin yarrow]

oh

[near parcel]

You can

[oblique bone]

nice

[zenith lark]

So if i change that property in trailmakers before uploading it on the workshop it should be fine?

[oblique bone]

wdym

[zenith lark]

changing the property for the mod in the folder which gets created in trailmakers by trailmappers right before uploading

[oblique bone]

u can do it now, and make the file read only. i think that should work

if not they yea that works aswell

[zenith lark]

if i make it read only wouldnt that make it so i cant update it

[oblique bone]

no

dont think so

i havent done maps in a while so not 100%

[zenith lark]

ill try it out, i thought making it read only would make it so trailmappers cant edit the read only file under trailmappers for updates

[oblique bone]

it wont be able to edit it wich is what u want.

check what he said

[zenith lark]

makes sense, ill do that

thanks people

[oblique bone]

👍

[regal bear]

Expanding on what @cinder spruce said -

in Trailmappers maps, the main.lua file is just a 'loader' file and doesn't change each time Trailmappers exports it.

The actual map data that gets updated is in a file called "Map" in data_static

This is how my KrunchLoader works. It just replaces the loader code but doesn't change the "Map" file.

[proper frigate]

Are there any good videos or guide's on making like a hello world mod in trailmakers? I looked it up but I mostly just got videos on how to install mods or how to make maps, which isn't what I want to do

I just want to make a thruster like the RAW jet engine, but I'm not even sure exactly where to start

[near parcel]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Modding

[elfin yarrow]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Basic_Modding_Guide

[near parcel]

you can't read block inputs/add custom blocks, so that's impossible. Closest would be a hardcoded force tied to a specific keybind

[proper frigate]

Oh really?? Wow, interesting. I assume that's because they have DLC.

[near parcel]

No, it's simply because there is a lot of technical debt in the game and as a result adding blocks is complicated even for the devs

[proper frigate]

Huh, funny. So what does the modding API actually let you do?

[proper frigate]

I would think they would make that as easy as possible for themselves considering they regularly make updates and DLC, guess not

I assume you can do that with DLL mods, although those are against the TOS lol

[elfin yarrow]

still a good bit, check the docs.lua file in the mod folder to see stuff

[proper frigate]

Ah will do, thx

[near parcel]

When the systems were made, they didn't think they would still be adding content in 2026. Development almost ended in 2019

[cinder spruce]

by the time anyone would ever had that idea it would be too late to change without completely redoing everything.

it would need to be designed intentionally from the start, and 9 years ago they probably weren’t thinking about this game several years into the future

[proper frigate]

Fair. I would think though that by your third DLC adding parts and 6th year you would think about doing some refactoring lol

Honestly whenever talking about difficulty to change code I always wanna crack into the source code and see what the actual difficulties are lol

[formal crane]

We are! Just takes huge amount of effort and careful planning 😉

[latent pine]

hopefully some day this game will be able to survive an exclamation mark

[proper frigate]

ah a dev! Good to see lol.

Yeah refactoring can be a bitch sometimes, but considering you guys seem like you are in it for the long haul it's probably worth the time

[oblique bone]

so is it posible to fix the hitboxes of this, rn it just dosnt work at all and i can use the ramp. any tips?

[radiant lion]

are you already using tm.physics.SpawnCustomObjectConcave?

also is it me or is there a significant lack of hole for the ramp to pass through?

[oblique bone]

forgot about that part...

[oblique bone]

tm.physics.SpawnCustomObject

[radiant lion]

use the concave version and it should fix your issue

well... most of it

[oblique bone]

yeaahhh

that fixd it

ty

[radiant lion]

np

[oblique bone]

i hate blender 😭

i suck

[radiant lion]

everyone does at the start... yersterday i spent 2 hours trying to render something

[oblique bone]

rip

[oblique bone]

done 🥀

[radiant lion]

Did you remove the whole circle? Won't the car have fall back down now?

[oblique bone]

working on that rn idk how to do it tho... also the scale is amazing xd

and ...

[radiant lion]

You'd have to fill a quarter circle, which on blender should mean selecting all the vertices that touch that quarter and pressing... Something, I don't remember the keybinds

[oblique bone]

guuh

il ai my way there

cant be botherd siting thru a 20 min video for 1 keybind

[radiant lion]

Likely f

[oblique bone]

i just extrude it down to fix this issue right

to have 2 faces

[radiant lion]

I think so, yeah

You might still end up with inverted normals, but nothing unfixable

[oblique bone]

almost done

may have made it a bit to big

[smoky sierra]

@scenic echo just wondeirng how did you make the spa map surely you didnt model each thing manually

[scenic echo]

I modelled it manually besides the trees

[smoky sierra]

oh alright

how did you make the terrain smooth

i tried and i kept hitting the limit where the game just crashes

like with too big 3d model

also if you didnt do the trees manually how did you do them? mod?

[cinder spruce]

just optimized model probably
decimate modifier

[stoic wing]

Would it be possible to add this?

[scenic echo]

It's just optimised and it's split into multiple objects

[smoky sierra]

ohh alright

[tribal gate]

why don't they just spend a few days to a week updating the code to make it a lot easier. even just adding more functions used for creating blocks would probably help reduce the complexity of the system by quite a bit. I feel like the time spent on it would be worth it too considering how often they add a block to the game

even if it took them a month It might still be worth it

[mint grove]

#feature-discussion

[smoky sierra]

tehy were asking if its possible to be modded i think not a feature

[mint grove]

Probably yes though modders do not have that much power therefore he should try to make the devs add his idea

[smoky sierra]

ah i thought you were telling him he was in wrong channel

i got baited so hard with that trailer too i wish we had a screen like that he should suggest it

[mint grove]

Well it was kind of weird for them to do that type of editing magic

[smoky sierra]

yeah i know i was talking about it earlier if they thgought it was cool enough to edit in why not actually add it into the game

[mint grove]

Imo it would be super difficult to add a screen this size

[smoky sierra]

yeah idk how it would work maybe simila rto stormworks but that would need new gui and a bunch of stuff

ive made space invaders before and its like 20x20 blocks and like 800 gates so idk how smtn liek taht would work in a small screen

[scenic echo]

For the trees i used https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1357312069824938114

[smoky sierra]

damn that looks amazing i did not know abt this

thanks so much

[near parcel]

That's not something you can change in "a few days to a week".

[tribal gate]

i said even if it took a month it would still probably be worth it

also how long it takes would depend on how long its been an issue which I have no knowledge of

[near parcel]

Not possible with how inputs work

[near parcel]

It wouldn't be a month either, it would be several months on a best case scenario.

[smoky sierra]

why would they think its cool enough to edit it in but not add it or even make it possible ot be modded seems silly

[near parcel]

Trailers are rarery 1 to 1 with the game. Making a trailer is very different from adding it to the game

[smoky sierra]

for a update trailer you could see how it could be mistaken as revealing a new block

also i havent seen them do anything like that before

[near parcel]

All trailers have cinematics with things that aren't implemented in game. It's normal. Nobody has asked about why it is not in game, meaning nobody was mistaken.

[smoky sierra]

.

[smoky sierra]

idk where in other trailers they have edited in fake new blocks

[near parcel]

They are asking for it, it doesn't show them having expected it to be a thing

[smoky sierra]

also when the trailer came out tons of people thought there was a screen block including me since its an update trailer they use to reveal new blocks in an update

[scenic echo]

I remember a motorhead banner had the new logic blocks at the back of a car and i just thought it was some artistic liberty being used and no new logic was going to be added

[near parcel]

New blocks/features are always clearly labelled with a tooltip in a corner of the screen with their name

[tribal gate]

fair then

[smoky sierra]

are you talking about in game?

if you are i dont know what your tryna prove. are u tryna say that the fake blocks they edited in are not acually real in game?

[near parcel]

In the trailers. You can see it in that trailer as well

[smoky sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW1r69uHFjo

it doesnt list teh blocks it just reveals em

imagine the swords in the trailer were also edited in wouldnt that be weird

[near parcel]

That's the teaser trailer, see https://youtu.be/BM7wFHwps70 or https://youtu.be/PY-2pMPRmVg for a better example

[smoky sierra]

but they didnt do this with the mech amok trailer that wht im saying

thats why it could be confusing

also the one time the edit in a fake block for a cool cinematic is the one that isnt a block showcase and doesnt outline what is actually getitng added yk

[near parcel]

Because all the blocks were already shown on previous trailers.

[scenic echo]

[near parcel]

Again, nobody complained when the update released. Nobody was actually confused

[smoky sierra]

idk when ithe trailer came out all i saw in comments and the dc were people asking about the cool new screen

i just dont understand why if they thought it was cool enough to edit in why not make it an actual block

[scenic echo]

The reason they didn't think to make it a block is because the logic inputs would need to be reworked for a screen

[smoky sierra]

yeah. so why edit it in

doing sum impossible in a trailer and not specifying it is

[near parcel]

There was a single comment about it according to discord's search, and according to that same search johannes explicitly said the screen was a blueprint.

[smoky sierra]

he said that in the discord not on the tiktok or any socials

[zenith lark]

Hello, im trying to import a recovered file back to trailmappers but whenever i do, the data_static resets itself, does anyone know any workarounds?

[cinder spruce]

the format for trailmappers saves and the map data is different
you can try and convert it but u cant just move the file

[ornate plaza]

Anti Ram Mod

[latent pine]

even the mods are stealing our ram now

[mint grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193341983595438111/1289347719500009543/IMG_3364.gif

[oblique bone]

dose anyone have a hangar or shed asset?

[mint grove]

How detailed

[oblique bone]

dosnt matter. not to much so it lags tho

[mint grove]

Hm ok

[tame tulip]

where can i get this?

[ornate plaza]

@tame tulip ik kan het met je delen als je will

[tame tulip]

ai isg

wacht je bent nl?

[ornate plaza]

Nee ik kan best wat taalen aleen spelling ia shitty

[tame tulip]

ah oe

oke*

[ornate plaza]

Dm me is stuur je de mod

[tame tulip]

hij laat me nie

[tame tulip]

dm jij mij

[ornate plaza]

Trol nerf pack

https://giphy.com/gifs/msrsakibur-gojo-edit-gojoedit-aYQSXVlQXF7hgWvfri

[elfin yarrow]

holy UI

[ornate plaza]

2 version of UI old and new

[oblique bone]

screen is 90% ui xd

please use subtabs

[tame tulip]

@ornate plaza dm me i cant dm you cuz of your privacy settings

[ornate plaza]

it hass

[mint grove]

What laungage is that

[tame tulip]

dutch

[mint grove]

Ahhh

[tame tulip]

yea

[crisp oak]

we staan er weer goed op jongens

🇳🇱 🔥

[near parcel]

rule 8

[crisp oak]

ok party pooper it was one reference

[near parcel]

there has already been an entire conversation

[crisp oak]

you reply to me immediatly but left their entire conversation to be forgotten

quit mini-modding
livestream-mod

[near parcel]

because i wasn't online at the time.

[warm canopy]

Alva is correct, this is an english language only discord server. If you want to talk in different languages keep them to dms or elsewhere.

[elfin yarrow]

this almost looks readable as a non dutch speaker

[oblique bone]

anyone got a fuel tank model i can use t-t

[mint grove]

Atp just learn blender 😭 😭 😭

[oblique bone]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-6795175285593626840

acualy i am learing

i think

lowk brute forcing it and seeing what happens

[mint grove]

Peak

[oblique bone]

tyty

[oblique bone]

so i added a ladder to the map and now it wont load 😭

game is so peak

[mint grove]

I had a similar situation with littlerly just a plane with 4 vertices

[oblique bone]

guh

[mint grove]

Can you show me the topology of it

[oblique bone]

yeah, gimi a hour gota figure out how to do that

[mint grove]

Tab

And then screenshot

[oblique bone]

do u mean wire frame?

nvm

i cant select that part of the lader, i used a modifre to stack it called array

[mint grove]

Yea that's called topology

[oblique bone]

and i cant do control+a on it to confirm or wtvr. thats what i did with mirror

[mint grove]

Um sir I might know why your game does not like your ladder

[oblique bone]

i think i see a problem

are the cylinders supost to be black bars...

[mint grove]

No😭 😭 😭 😭

[oblique bone]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-fish-underwater-what-huh-gif-17916446

[mint grove]

I'm crine

😭 😭 😭

[radiant lion]

honestly it could have been worse.. at there are no redundant tris

tho tbh for such small detail you could just use a square ladder

[oblique bone]

so uh i linkd the cylinder to the cube thing, how do i unlink so i can reduce it

[oblique bone]

fair

[mint grove]

Btw how did you even add those cylinders is it a new mesh

And also does the ladder use an array modifier

[oblique bone]

yes

[radiant lion]

actually... i don't think i ever saw a ladder with round steps irl, it just seems like an easier way to slip off

[oblique bone]

wdym

[oblique bone]

lmao i just did what the man on the screen said to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKCHMHfDbWM

[mint grove]

Oh

[radiant lion]

fair enough

[mint grove]

Well uh that's cool ig

[mint grove]

Well uh .maybe try to um

Try without the tube again

Idk

[oblique bone]

ye making it out of qbs this time

[mint grove]

Good

[mint grove]

Also how are you gonna texture this

[oblique bone]

i will export it in alot of separet obj, i have a file with alot of colors so i can basicly texture separet parts of the same build. i just put it all at 0.0.0 the group them. its why i have all the folders

[cinder spruce]

that can’t be fun to load

[oblique bone]

rn im just doing 1 file. its going to be torture to load it when doing it all separet tho T-T

[mint grove]

Want some textures

(ground textures)

[oblique bone]

ye sure

cant have to meny lol

[mint grove]

Hmm now how do I get them without turning my pc on

Yk

Imma send them later

[oblique bone]

aigth

[oblique bone]

neuralink

around where is the limit for verts and triangles and stuff.

so ik where to stop xd

[mint grove]

Wdym

[oblique bone]

like where it usualy dosnt load and just crashes

[mint grove]

3,442 VERTICES???!!!!

WHAT

[paper bone]

#1379254345375420496 message

[mint grove]

HOW

[oblique bone]

idunu

[mint grove]

Show me topology of the whole thing pls

[oblique bone]

i spent 2 hours on that curv

where did my msg go

its the bezier curv, i tryd to make it flat but it just wants to bevel idk how to fix it :(

dang we cant swear in here

thats why it got deleted

lamp aswell mby (got it from sketchfab)

holy shit yeah

no more light

down to 1800 now

[mint grove]

😭 😭 😭

[mint grove]

Good

But still weirdly much

[oblique bone]

rlly?

[mint grove]

Can you take a screenshot of your whole blender window pls

[mint grove]

Imo yea

[oblique bone]

.

[mint grove]

Umm I think those corners on the Hangar shouldn't be that black

[oblique bone]

ik, i have no idea how to fix it. the roof is 380 vert

[mint grove]

Um

What curve?

[oblique bone]

dis one

[mint grove]

Each?

[oblique bone]

yes ...

[mint grove]

Um why-..

What do you use it for

[oblique bone]

to get the bend ofthe roof.

its what was suggested by ai, couldnt find any other info ab it on yt

[mint grove]

What bend....

[oblique bone]

curv of the roof

?

[mint grove]

OHHH WHAT?

Why um

Umm

...

[oblique bone]

wat...

[mint grove]

Why did you use a curve for smth like this

[oblique bone]

cus like i said i did not know how to do it without curv

[mint grove]

Did you watch the donut tutorial

Um

Ok

Do you know what f does

Do you know the 2 most important shortcuts to move the camera

@oblique bone ?

[oblique bone]

ik what F dose.

[oblique bone]

not sure

going to start over ._.

-10h, +5 iq

@mint grove loop cuts and Proportional Editing + move along z. is that the right way to do it?

[mint grove]

Yes

[oblique bone]

makes more sens

._.

[oblique bone]

how do i flatten this. iv tryd a couple things, none workd

i take that back lol

[mint grove]

OHH I FORGOT TO GIVE YOU MY TEXTURE

[oblique bone]

oh i forgot aswell

been grinding blender

i got the hanger alot more optimized, for alot more detail.

[mint grove]

Yay

This is peak

[oblique bone]

so i will not be using this...

i just wanted some truss for my spot lights 😭

[mint grove]

Xddd

[mint grove]

Looks good

[oblique bone]

geting somwhere

[mint grove]

YEESS SO PEAK

[proper frigate]

Are there any mods that highlight the different weld groups while playing? Or even better highlight them in the build mode?

[oblique bone]

not posible

acualy might be. im going to try

[proper frigate]

I assumed it wouldn't be in build mode tbh, but even while playing that would be awesome

[oblique bone]

if it can be done outside bm it can be done inside

i think

[cinder spruce]

it wont be possible to highlight them in build mode, as welds aren’t calculated until after the build is spawned

[oblique bone]

its not posible to know the weld groupes outside of buildmode anyways using any api function. my idea was to log each block and there pos. then trying to predict weldgoups by knowing what is conected to what and what bridges what. idk if thats viable at all

[cinder spruce]

yeah ik, i just vaguely remember someone doing something similar to what u just said before

dont think it ever was finished or if it ever worked

[oblique bone]

might be worth giving a shot then

[proper frigate]

it would be incredibly useful for working through weird weld group issues

[near parcel]

It's not. The game uses a very complicated algorithm to determine weld groups, and you would need to somehow replicate that completely blind

[oblique bone]

alright good thing i didnt start lol

why dont they give a visualizer for weldgroups tho ._.

[near parcel]

because you aren't intended to be manipulating them, creations should just work as expected with weld groups being an unimportant implementation detail

[oblique bone]

booooring

[proper frigate]

If they don't plan on fixing it explicitly because it makes the game more interesting, and it's clear that they aren't an unimportant implementation detail, then it sounds like that logic doesn't apply in practice

Although I would be very suprised if they were added

[near parcel]

I'm saying that they are intended to be unimportant, not that they always are. Fwiw they are only important when using glitches, and games are never designed around glitches

[ivory agate]

It is theoretically possible but you'd need to know every single detail of the weld fitness functions and how they are used (and maybe even order dependencies, I have no idea)

[ivory agate]

They do have one/had one but yeah as alva said it isnt information expected to be used by players

[ornate plaza]

The API rly needs to expose NPC Spawning then minigames will become next lvl

[oblique bone]

lame. its a sandbox game why put limits on what a user can do/see. also weldgroupes are a big part of most complex builds

[near parcel]

Game design is a thing. Weld groups are only important for glitches

[oblique bone]

https://tenor.com/view/bags-under-eyes-emoji-eye-bags-emoji-tired-emoji-tired-emoji-gif-9884171202579572029

[ivory agate]

I can't tell if there's depth but I had a try at a flat truss

Obviously depth would cost some too

[sturdy iris]

Wasn't that noiro?

[cinder spruce]

yeah i think so

[ivory agate]

noiro was going to check if there was deformation between the different weldgroups
(which there will be since my assumption is that a weldgroups is basically a lot of rigid bodies connected to become one physics object, and connected objects can't really have rigid joints for whatever reason)

At least from what I remember

[elfin yarrow]

whoa what

[oblique bone]

This makes me want to try

[primal comet]

Is there a way to bypass the player limit for servers? or plans of a mod that does this?

[oblique bone]

No

Only if ppl join at the exact same time

[primal comet]

Wdym? Like if more than 8 people try to join at the same time they'll be able to bypass the limit?

[near parcel]

No

[scenic echo]

Is that bug fixed now?

[near parcel]

It's never been a thing, having 2 players join at the exact same time is basically impossible

[oblique bone]

It happens. Iv seen servers with 1 over the limit

Il try find a ss

[scenic echo]

It happend on the mapmakers stream

There were 5 people in the server with a limit of 4 iirc. i was in that server

[near parcel]

That can't happen if the max players are 8, the game can't handle a 9th player

[oblique bone]

Okay

[scenic echo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jMHqUtEwMJg
At 1:33:30 there were 6 players in a 5 player server

[oblique bone]

@near parcel can u pls tell me any extra info u have about weld groups and how they are devided/grouped. i would asume ur well versed when it comse to that stuff

[fallow fox]

something, something black magic. but you can try reading the part in the art book about how the generate. but thats the only info on them that exists

[oblique bone]

dang okay ty

where can i find that?

[proper frigate]

I'm new so I don't think it's in my channel list but isn't there a channel for asking devs questions?

[fallow fox]

look in the art book for "structure of a structure" or something

[oblique bone]

ye where is the artbook buh

[fallow fox]

there is #dev-diary but you to be in the server for 3 months

[fallow fox]

on steam

[oblique bone]

okay il try find it ty

[proper frigate]

Could you ask there? Or are the devs stingy about those kinda details? (which I wouldn't blame them for at all btw lol)

[fallow fox]

just wait until johannes or frans show up in general and ask them there

[proper frigate]

Is this for the weld group visualization btw?

Cause if so I commend you for trying lol

[oblique bone]

It is lol

Ty

[proper frigate]

It would be useful in general to get more detailed info on them out in the open. Even if a full tool isn't made just having it be somewhere in public could be useful

[near parcel]

There is no specific public information

[near parcel]

You are not gona get anything useful beyond the general rules publicly known. It's way too technical to fit in a discord message that can be written in a reasonable amount of time, and the programmers aren't even active here

[proper frigate]

The programmers not being available seems like the most relevant thing there lol. I did notice it seems to be mostly people marked as interns

[near parcel]

Even if the programmers were available, they are paid to work on the game not spend 4h trying to explain a very complicated algorithm

[oblique bone]

so just that they get split by mechanical blocks and that they "randomly" split bigger structures even with no mechanical block?

[near parcel]

• mechanical blocks always split weld groups
• any block connection can also split weld groups in order to satisfy some constraints
  • weld groups should be somewhat symmetrical
  • weld groups can't differ too much in size/weight
  • weld groups can't be too big in order for creations to not feel like boxes

how to best satisfy the constraints is the hard and complex part. There is also some weight rebalancing across weld groups to help with constraint 2

[oblique bone]

ty

[mental flicker]

Will Trailmakers ever add modding capability beyond just lua. The mods we could make if we had more modding support is crazy. True invincibility, effects, new movement, weapons, damage modiffiers, balancing, etc.

[oblique bone]

progress :D

[proper frigate]

When I get home I'll do some of my own experimenting to see if I can figure any specific rules out lol

[oblique bone]

talk to some experienced freinds. u cant

will never be fully acuaret

[proper frigate]

Well I mean, more accurate than the basic ones given

I'm not not gonna do it cause it's not gonna be perfect lol, that's lame

[near parcel]

Likely no. Lua itself isn't a limitation either

[near parcel]

You won't find any that works outside of trivial cases. Again, welding is a massively complicated constraint satisfaction problem, likely relaying on a lot of heuristics

[proper frigate]

So are like, most things lol. I would at the very least like a couple more details. A trivial case very well understood, to me, is worth 10 times more than the whole thing with the depth of understanding of a couple sentences

[near parcel]

Constraint satisfaction problems are NP-complete, any solver will take thousands of lines of code with complex algorithms to be viable in practice

[proper frigate]

Again, I don't need it perfect. I just would like slightly more concrete intuition

You seem to know a lot about it, do you have links I can read to know more about it?

Cause it's a lot more useful to have actual info about it instead of just saying "it's complicated, don't try to figure it out"

[near parcel]

The intuition is what's already known. Anything more specific than that only works on a case by case basis

[near parcel]

The art book already referenced here before

[formal crane]

The Internal Affairs (1) goes into the structure of these things and it is still relevant today https://web.archive.org/web/20250709130745/https://playtrailmakers.com/news/2018/03/22/internal-affairs-1-the-structure-of-a-structure/

[formal crane]

@fallow fox Regarding ModStructure.Destroy() sounds bugged but I am unsure what the actual design is.

Just kind of plain speaking, what would you expect to happen?

[fallow fox]

wait let me test something rq

[fallow fox]

I would except it to just remove the entire build but it seems to only remove the first seat in the structure tree

it seems to also destroy all blocks "after" the seat but most of the time its 2-3 blocks only

[formal crane]

Just from staring at the code; this was the original implementation (design) but in regards to your expectation I agree with you.

It could be redesigned but I would say it is pretty risky since I dont know what mods depends on the specific design...

[fallow fox]

ModStructure.Dispose() seems to actually delete the entire build

[oblique bone]

i give up...

[oblique bone]

this is more fun.

[fallow fox]

is there a way to find the structure(s) that just exited buildmode? OnPlayerExitBuilder doesn't give the structures and it seems that the player isn't in that build yet when its called

[scenic echo]

Try getting the structures that are in build mode and save them in a table for each player and when OnPlayerExitBuilder gets triggered you will have the structures in the table.

[ornate plaza]

wip

[regal bear]

You might be able to wait a short time after exiting build mode before checking the player's structure

[mental flicker]

How on earth did you make this? Only using lua? Does it do damage? If yes how and why can't we inverse it to dictate the damage dealt by anything else. @oblique bone

[oblique bone]

Yes only lua lol. Yes it dose dmg

[mental flicker]

What the actuall fk, I mean nice but how

[oblique bone]

its in the docs

[mental flicker]

Hmm okay

Could this be used to reduce physics damage or is that engine locked?

[oblique bone]

no. its for removing health...

[mental flicker]

Yeah but surely if you can remove health you can add it?

[mental flicker]

Yeah my mod has the same function but the blocks still break. I'm wondering if we can do any of the following:
1:reduce damage received by conventional means like guns.
2:change collision damage from crashes I.e. changing the values the engine uses to calculate. 100->1

[oblique bone]

u cant make it invicible. the set start health is broken if i remember correct

[oblique bone]

and no u cant do that

iv tryd to make a invisible structures mod

[mental flicker]

Yeah I heard about the set health. Do you know when they will fix it. If even.

[oblique bone]

no idea

wont be soon i would assume

[mental flicker]

Also is there a way to set hot keys for mods.

[oblique bone]

mhm

[mental flicker]

My viltrumite mod for example could benefit from a hotkey that boosts it forward. I was only able to recreate this with something I had to toggle on or off

[oblique bone]

u have the mod docs in ur mod folder

u can look stuff like that up ur self

i just did control F and search "key"

its named trailmakers_doc.lua

[mental flicker]

Hmm, where are the docs I'm only in this server for a short time

[oblique bone]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Trailmakers\mods

[mental flicker]

Okay I'm gonna have a look around thanks for now

[oblique bone]

Yw

[mental flicker]

I tried to add a inverse feature to this: block:DoDamageAmount(damageAmount, damageDealerPlayerId, damageType)

I thought setting the damage to a negative number would mean that either the damage is never dealt, the block actually gains health in form of negative damage, or the calculation and therefore damage would just fail. none of these worked and i might be wrong but couldn't the devs easily allow this feature? there's probably just a line of code or command sitting somewhere that prevents this from happening but if removed it could be interesting.

[warm canopy]

Invincibility is impossible anyway because welds also have hp and we can’t set that

[mental flicker]

Maybe but surely there has to be a way. If not maybe there's just a way to scale down damage from collisions and/or weapon blocks? create the same effect.

[elfin yarrow]

w h a t

[near parcel]

You can't change anything that your mod isn't explicitly doing

[near parcel]

That's not how damage works. There is no single line controlling it.

[near parcel]

There isn't.

[fallow fox]

wip fire truck mod, might add missions as well at some point

[elfin yarrow]

combine that with noiro's fire mod

[warm canopy]

I also had a fire mod at some point but its hard finding decent fire assets that look believable

[fallow fox]

is there a way to make objects move smoother? I made the water inherit velocity and its jumping around
-# gif is broken but you get the point

[near parcel]

Iirc spawning them as physics objects

[fallow fox]

is that possible with the build in objects? It seems that I can only spawn custom objects as physics objects

[warm canopy]

Nope

[tribal gate]

I thought they fixed this in one of the past few updates

i'm pretty sure that was apart of the huge qol update

[tribal gate]

am I tripping or is the ui brighter

[regal bear]

Nope it stayed broken (as did the UI labels sadly)

[tribal gate]

thats a shame since I was gonna make a huge improvement to my structure id system with it. It was the one thing I was actually exited for

[regal bear]

Yep it's a real pain. My SuperStrength mod is entirely useless at the moment. Seems quite a few of us are hoping a fix comes sooner rather than later.

[scenic echo]

it's good that it's getting some attention now, it was broken since 1.7 at least from what i remember, might be 1.6 that broke it but i'm not sure, i wan't doing any modding in 1.6

[fallow fox]

I still wish moving stuff was smoother ._.

[regal bear]

It should be smoother than that. I'm no expert on rigidbodies though.

[fallow fox]

I am moving them every update but I dont think it actually moves them every time

[regal bear]

Is your modDelta at 60?

[fallow fox]

it seems to be at 10 ._. how change?

[regal bear]

tm.os.SetModTargetDeltaTime(1/60)

[fallow fox]

even with 1/10 it still drops down to 8 fps wut

[regal bear]

Are you saying that just setting a target delta is tanking your frames?

[fallow fox]

yeah, seems like it

[regal bear]

The default is 1/10 anyway

[fallow fox]

even commenting out the line is now killing my frame rate

[regal bear]

restart the game

hot loading ends up killing the game

[fallow fox]

that fixed it, tho its still not that smooth D:

[regal bear]

ok but is it any smoother?

[fallow fox]

its a bit smoother

[regal bear]

OK well that's something. How detailed are those water objects?

[fallow fox]

they are the PFB_Whale object

[regal bear]

Ah ok. Nice idea 🙂
I'm not sure if prefabs can move as smoothly as custom objects though.

maybe also try dropping just one to see if it's any smoother than multiple

[fallow fox]

its the same with 1

[regal bear]

OK yeah I think the whale isn't a physics object - can't quite remember. If it was you could just push it with a force impulse and it would fall naturally.

[warm canopy]

Only physics rigidbodies will move smooth

[regal bear]

If you made a custom object you could just spawn it as a rigidbody and do that

[warm canopy]

Sadly you then loose the water effect

[regal bear]

indeed

but careful modelling and texturing might make something look decent

[warm canopy]

But lack of transparency 😐

[regal bear]

yep but falling water like that doesn't really need to be transparent

But I do wish we had transparency options

[regal bear]

What about moving prefabs with linear interpolation? Isn't that possible by manually coding it?

[fallow fox]

you would still need to set the position, which is the issue

[regal bear]

I guess so. I'm wondering why the whale isn't moving at 60 fps for you. Is your framerate less than that in game?

[fallow fox]

with 60 fps, 60 fps server performance, and 60 updates per second in the mod its not moving every frame

[regal bear]

I've no idea why. How much slower do you think it's happening?

You can check with this:
tm.os.GetModDeltaTime()
(Gets the time since last update)

[fallow fox]

that returns 0.0166666... but it only moves every 3-5 frames maybe

[regal bear]

Strange. Maybe try temporarily substituting the whale for another prefab just to see if it's something with the whale.

[fallow fox]

it seems to be any static object only moves every few frames

[regal bear]

right 🤔

Maybe Frans might pop in and add some insights? 😬

[near parcel]

If you queue too many object updates too fast, the operations will start lagging behind

[fallow fox]

even with only 1? it was lagging the same amount with 1 object as with 40 of them

[near parcel]

My experience is with trying to update hundreds of objects on a single frame (once), one shouldn't cause lag but there might be some latency for operations

[ornate plaza]

Its identical in code so maby bcs of defrent browsers

[regal bear]

@formal crane Sorry for the ping but I'm not sure if you are aware - the latest update has changed the mod UI:

• the font size is bigger. This has pushed parts of the text on labels & buttons off the edge.
• the default font colour is now a darker grey than it was before making text harder to read on some backgrounds.

Any idea why this has happened?
The slightly larger size also looks a bit off to me.

EDIT: It looks like the font size is larger just for bold text which makes it even stranger.

EDIT 2: On the positive side we can now use the "size=" tag!

[fallow fox]

is there a way to know when a mouse button is held down?

[warm canopy]

    -- Register a callback that fires when the player clicks
    -- It passes the World Position of the click to "OnClickJump"
    tm.playerUI.RegisterMouseDownPositionCallback(player.playerId, OnClickJump)
end

function OnClickJump(clickData)
    local playerId = clickData.playerId
    local targetPos = tm.vector3.Create(clickData.value)
    
    -- Apply force to nearby players
    local radius = 20
    local jumpForce = 10000
    local players = tm.players.CurrentPlayers()
    
    for _, p in pairs(players) do
        local struct = tm.players.OccupiedStructure(p.playerId)
        if struct ~= nil then
            local sPos = struct.GetPosition()
            if tm.vector3.Distance(targetPos, sPos) < radius then
                struct.AddForce(0, jumpForce, 0) -- Jumps them upwards
            end
        end
    end
end

tm.players.OnPlayerJoined.add(SetupMouseInput)```

You can detect left click by using the registermousedownpositioncallback

[fallow fox]

thats only on mouse down, is there a way to know when mouse is released/held down?

[oblique bone]

@cinder spruce how did u fix the lag on ur missiles? where they lag behind the spawn point

[paper bone]

He calculates the position where they need to be spawned based on the speed of the plane iirc

[oblique bone]

was going to do that but it sounds like a pain

[cinder spruce]

their displayed position is 1 frame behind where they should be, so get the velocity of the creation, multiply that by delta time to get the distance vector that it travels in 1 frame, then add that to the original position vector

[regal bear]

Just found that that the "size" HTML tag now works in the mod UI. So that's a positive out of the unexpected changes 🙂

[warm canopy]

What happens when u max it

[regal bear]

That's size=20

size = 40

[warm canopy]

Ah okay it gets cut off

[regal bear]

yup

[warm canopy]

Wonder if it also works with the intrusive alerts

[regal bear]

hmm good point

yes it does

New definition of intrusive 🙂

[warm canopy]

When people refuse to read the instructions

[regal bear]

yes just poke them in the retina

[regal bear]

More good news - in the main UI the closing tags are no longer required.

As before the HTML tags still count toward the 64 bit limit but not towards the 32 bit display limit.

New class of message - "Disrespectful Message"

[plush pendant]

Are thruster mods still broke

[tribal gate]

for some reason it has been working even since before the update

I was experiementing with formatting a few months ago which is when I found out that the size worked with intrusive messages

[regal bear]

The thing that's certainly new is size tags working in the standard UI

[oblique bone]

Ty. Made it work

[fallow fox]

fire mod :D

[mint grove]

Peak

[fallow fox]

why does:

-- main.lua

---@class vehicleData
---@field waterCannons ModBlock[]
---@field waterTanks ModBlock[]
---@field waterPumps ModBlock[]
---@field blockCount integer
local vehicleData = {}


function vehicleData.new()
    local instance = setmetatable({}, vehicleData)
    instance.waterCannons = {}
    instance.waterTanks = {}
    instance.waterPumps = {}
    instance.blockCount = 0
    return instance
end

local data = vehicleData.new()

work but doing

-- vehicleData.lua

---@class vehicleData
---@field waterCannons ModBlock[]
---@field waterTanks ModBlock[]
---@field waterPumps ModBlock[]
---@field blockCount integer
local vehicleData = {}


function vehicleData.new()
    local instance = setmetatable({}, vehicleData)
    instance.waterCannons = {}
    instance.waterTanks = {}
    instance.waterPumps = {}
    instance.blockCount = 0
    return instance
end

and

-- main.lua

tm.os.DoFile("vehicleData")
local data = vehicleData.new()

does not work?
the file does work with everything else, just for some reason class.function() does work

this works but just referencing the class does not

---@type vehicleData
local test

test.new()

[near parcel]

Because vehicleData is undefined in the scope of main in the second case

Each file has its own scope, you can't directly access local variables of other modules. You need to export the public API you want (return vehicleData at the end of vehicleData.lua), and then import it where you want to use it (local vehicleData = tm.os.DoFile("vehicleData"))

Also, you are missing vehicleData._index = vehicleData in the class definition (without it, the setmetatable does nothing and instance methods won't work)

[fallow fox]

thx,
also do you know why

-- vehicleData.lua
function vehicleData.clear(self)
    self.waterCannons = {}
    self.waterTanks = {}
    self.waterPumps = {}
end

-- main.lua
vehicleData.clear(vehicle)

works but doing it in the same way that worked in 1 file does not any more:

-- vehicleData.lua
function vehicleData:clear()
    self.waterCannons = {}
    self.waterTanks = {}
    self.waterPumps = {}
end

-- main.lua
vehicle:clear()

the bottom one gets a "attempt to call a nil value"

[near parcel]

Also, you are missing vehicleData._index = vehicleData in the class definition (without it, the setmetatable does nothing and instance methods won't work)

[fallow fox]

I have that, I just forgot it in the message there

nvm, I figured it out "_index" needed 2 underscores

[regal bear]

Is that the waterfall object? I was going to suggest you try that but it looks like maybe you have already?

[warm canopy]

No hes abusing whales

[fallow fox]

Its the whale

[regal bear]

I knew you'd been using the whale but that looked a lot like the waterfall for some reason 🙂

Maybe give the waterfall a try. Seems like pretty decent water. You can rotate it around X or Z and it momentarily shoots sideways but quickly falls downward in a convincing way.

[primal frost]

#1502642219637669959

give me ideas y'all

[fallow fox]

it falls down way to fast, and it has a random spawn off set

[regal bear]

fair

[fallow fox]

I want these flames as a spawnable, they look so good

[paper bone]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1196793172429394050
Might be worth sharing in this channel

[fallow fox]

how do I check if a file in data_dynamic exists so I dont override it?

[near parcel]

do you get an error if you try to read it when it doesn't exist?

[fallow fox]

yes

[near parcel]

local exists, content = pcall(tm.os.ReadAllText_Dynamic, path)

[fallow fox]

thx

[ivory agate]

Speed

I'm not sure if you could use an auxiliary compiled language that spits out a text file to disk then the lua reads it every frame, but that might be too slow

Probably faster though depending on what you're doing

[ivory agate]

ooo interesting

[near parcel]

lua can be very fast. Luajit is the fastest implementation of any dynamic language, and not too far from statically compiled languages

[near parcel]

probably not, IO is slow everywhere

[ivory agate]

I see I guess it must have been the bitwise calls then because it did take like 10 seconds to process less than a megabyte of data from what I remember

It was probably really bad code too from what I remeber lol

[near parcel]

tm uses moonsharp rather than luajit as it's easier to integrate in C#, so you won't get max possible performance. My point was that lua itself isn't the bottleneck for performance

[ivory agate]

I see, I was assuming that trailmakers modding was the context

[near parcel]

it is the context, but if performance becomes a problem the implementation can theoretically be replaced with a faster one without having to change anything user-facing (which would be the case if e.g. a statically compiled language was allowed)

[latent pine]

I don't see why you would want a static language for tm modding tbh

[near parcel]

speed would be the only reason

[latent pine]

the api is the bottleneck so I doubt it would improve much

[covert pilot]

Yeah the api is really limiting

[cinder spruce]

i can only imagine what we could do if we had better screen space UI

[ivory agate]

I mean maybe it doesn't happen that much but having defined types would at least help for some operations

I'd have to look at my code again to say exactly what I mean by that

I've thought about implementing a shallow water simulation so I'd assume the hardest and most demanding part would be the mesh generation

Unless you can reliably set a mesh and its normals every frame through the API but I don't think so lmao

[near parcel]

Lua ls has type annotations, and the api docs define them so you can also type check api functions