General modding chat

[smoky sierra]

how do people remove the glossy texture from custom models in trailmappers also is there a way to add a texture to my model which changes based on height like from grassy to rocky when its at high points

[elfin yarrow]

why does it fail to invoke OnPlayerJoined?

[latent pine]

prolly the nil, just leave out that part

[elfin yarrow]

that seems unrelated to the issue

[latent pine]

what error does the log show

[latent pine]

huh

[elfin yarrow]

i don't know how to decipher it

[latent pine]

seems like it's not getting the player object for some reason

[paper bone]

You are missing the player. before the setPlayerTeam call

[elfin yarrow]

oooh, that makes sense

so i just move onPlayerJoined above setPlayerTeam?

[paper bone]

Sorry i got confused because youre functions have the same name

Try to make the names more distinct and maybe put the brackets at the function declaration right next to the function name without a space (not sure if this changes anything)

[elfin yarrow]

honestly just took that part from complexitymod...

[paper bone]

Generally spaces between a function call or its definition and its arguments or parameters are weird and should not be done im pretty sure, i see you also did it when adding the subtle message

[elfin yarrow]

that's... strange

[near parcel]

Lua is not whitespace sensitive

[paper bone]

No idea what it might be then

[near parcel]

the code seems correct. My only guesses:

• You are testing it in singleplayer. Maybe teams don't work in singleplayer?
• You are testing it alone in multiplayer. Maybe teams aren't initialized until the 2nd player joins?
• Maybe you can't set the player team from onplayerjoined events? Maybe there is a race condition between initialization of the player/running the callback and initializing the teams?

[warm canopy]

function setPlayerTeam(playerId)
    tm.players.SetPlayerTeam(playerId, 0)
end

function onPlayerJoined(player)
    setPlayerTeam(player.playerId) 
end

tm.players.OnPlayerJoined.add(onPlayerJoined)```

Works fine for me in singleplayer

[cinder spruce]

new ui for replay mod :)

[elfin yarrow]

i was testing it live on my server, the mod sets everyone to team 1 when i start it up but when someone new joins it gives the "failed to invoke OnPlayerJoined" popup

[scenic echo]

I think it's the same problem that happens with trailmappers maps

What i noticed is that with trailmappers maps if someone late joins it gives that error, but if the mod is loaded with everyone in the server it works fine

[unreal rune]

Can someone point me in the right direction:
I would like to create custom logic blocks but do not know where to get started.

1. Is there resources on how to make such mods? (And mods in general)
2. Does anyone have a template/example for a custom logic block?

[near parcel]

not possible

[unreal rune]

damn...

[radiant lion]

Yep, closest thing you can do for now is something like the missile mod, where it's just default blocks with some extra features, but you can't interact with logic input/output in any way

[unreal rune]

thats really unfortunate, alright :/

so many cool things would be possible otherwise ^^'

[near parcel]

only sensors would be, for actual gates the limitations of how the system works doesn't allow much beyond what there already is

[unreal rune]

sensors would be interesting aswell (well its part of what i was hoping would be possible 😅)

[radiant lion]

Tbh the logic update added pretty much all I would have wanted from custom logic blocks

[unreal rune]

are "consumers" possible? as in yeah i cant add another addition block, but can i add a block that takes an input and does something with it?

[near parcel]

no

closest thing you can do is measuring movement/rotation of blocks and guessing that comes from an input

[radiant lion]

Technically the same can be done for output, by applying a force on something seen by a sensor, but it's quite unreactive and you can't really get output that's not binary

[near parcel]

and it breaks if the creation is moving/rotating

[radiant lion]

Not really, so long as you take proper precautions

[near parcel]

even if you try to adjust for it, at high speeds it's still not reliable

[unreal rune]

sensors:

• acceleration sensor
• camera rotation sensor (could be used to get what direction the player is looking)
• radio receiver
• color sensor
• angular rotation sensor

actuators:

• radio sender
• number display for player hud (constant x,y location as set in the block)
• text display for player hud (same + constant text, can be turned on and off)

some ideas I had that I was hoping were possible

[radiant lion]

Rotating it so the suspension (assuming you are using suspension+sensor) is not in the same axis as the one where you expect high speed should mostly solve it

[unreal rune]

radio sender/receiver was meant as as way for creations to send/receive logic values on channels

but yeah

[elfin yarrow]

interesting

[elfin yarrow]

you can probably do something like that with some specialized RC setup or something else

[near parcel]

acceleration/angular rotation sensor can be done already (it's derivative of speed/angle/compass sensors). Camera rotation can be achieved with an aiming servo+sensors. Color sensor could only be done for blocks, which is not that useful in practice. RC transmission can be done with a glitch. Text display wouldn't work as all signals are numbers, at most you would get an enum

[radiant lion]

Fair enough

[unreal rune]

interesting, where can i learn about this bug with rc transmission?

[near parcel]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/RC_glitch

[scenic echo]

one thing that would be really useful is a sensor that gives the position in the world. Like position sensor x and z (y being altitude sensor)

[latent pine]

accumulators can also be recreated with other blocks, being able to technically do something doesn't mean it would be a bad idea to add it as a single gate

[near parcel]

I mostly meant that not many new things would become possible

[carmine flame]

@radiant lion does the custom missiles mod work again?

[scenic echo]

V2 works from my testing(i haven't tested in multiplayer though) and you can use terrorsouls mod for thruster editing https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1450829161676542074

[regal bear]

To remove the glossy effect the texture needs to have an alpha channel that's painted black or very dark.

An alpha channel is usually for transparency but in TM modding it's for 'roughness'

Edit your texture in something like Photoshop, Affinity Studio, Gimp, etc or use an online 'transparency' tool.

[smoky sierra]

Acceleration camera rotation angular rotation and x y x location are all possible using the base logic pretty easily

[tribal gate]

Is this still the case

[near parcel]

it was changed already

[hoary skiff]

add to xbox

[near parcel]

not gonna happen any time soon

[latent pine]

tell that to Microsoft, flashbulb can't do anything about it

[mint grove]

https://tenor.com/view/zatoru-uma-musume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-cinderella-gray-uma-musume-cinderella-gray-gif-2563699202510898708

[smoky sierra]

im making a new map and trying to make a custom model have a nice texture but when i put a texture in in trailmappers it stretches the texture and is basically just a single colour im wondering how people do textures on custom models like in the map mountainous airstrip

[smoky sierra]

like the ground is one big 3d model and i want it textured

[hard shore]

i kinda ran into this issue with a cube model that I was using to get an accurate layout of a roadway, and I found that certain positions on the texture correlate to certain faces of the model, here i'm showing the track layout, as well as where i had to position the model on the texture so that it would show up how i wanted in-game, this effect can also be seen on other textures for different models (red), I'm not sure if there's a good software that you could use that helps with making textures (blender maybe? free on steam), but i hope this can help a bit. Some solutions might be to up the resolution on your texture and shrink whatever you're doing to the texture to where the faces are using the texture. (might take a bit of time to figure out where the faces are on the texture but yk)

[smoky sierra]

appreciate u tryuna help but my model has over 12k faces bc of a bunch of subdivisions so idek how that would work

[regal bear]

Any 3d model that uses a texture needs that texture to be 'mapped' to the model. It's called UV mapping and can be done in most 3D modeling apps, such as Blender.

It can be simple or complex depending on the model and what you want to achieve.

https://all3dp.com/2/blender-uv-mapping-simply-explained/#:~:text=As mentioned%2C UV mapping is,Blender: UV Mapping

[smoky sierra]

sorry hjow do i get this to trailmakers tho

[regal bear]

After you've done the UV mapping you export the model as obj, then put that model into the TrailMappers Custom Objects folder

[smoky sierra]

i alr did that but getting the texture on the model right doesnt work unless im doing something wrong i uv painted it in blender it looks right then i save the image of the texture in blender and try apply it to themodel in trailmappers and it doesnt look right

[regal bear]

You don't need to save the texture in Blender. The texture is just the image file that you load onto the model. You just need to export the model after you've done the UV mapping. The data for the UV mapping lives in the model not in the texture.

[smoky sierra]

Ohhh my bad i didnt update the 3d model after mapping it

[smoky sierra]

theres a mtl and a obj file i assume the mtl file is for the mapping how do i use it in trailmappers

[regal bear]

ignore the mtl file - it's just a text file that Trailmappers and Trailmakers don't use

[regal bear]

Also you should export with Forward Axis: Z
and
Up Axis: Y

The pic shows the settings I use when I export to obj

[smoky sierra]

thank you for helping i am painting the model with an image that repeats but is there a way to make the image im painting with smaller so when it repeats its more HD

[regal bear]

Hopefully I understand you correctly. When you are repeating an image over a model it's called tiling.

There's a setting in the UV mapping window to make an image repeat over the whole window so try to find that.

If all your mesh elements are selected in the 3d window you should see the unwrapped elements of your mesh overlaid on the image in the in the UV mapping window.

If you select all those elements in the UV mapping window and scale them up you force the tiling to be smaller which makes each pixel appear smaller on the mapped model.

[smoky sierra]

ah ok how do you scale it up tho

i assume you mean this part

[smoky sierra]

i have no clue how to scale that up

[regal bear]

You should be in UV Editing not texture paint. UV mapping is not painting.

Your texture should already exist outside Blender. You just load it in to Blender so you can map it onto your model

OK looking again at your image it looks like you are trying to paint desert sand onto a landscape?

[smoky sierra]

yea

[regal bear]

What you actually need is a single tile of desert sand as your texture and repeat that over your landscape. This is what I've been trying to explain - but failing 😛

[smoky sierra]

i tiled t5his image

[regal bear]

When you say you tiled it - what do you mean?

[smoky sierra]

i added it as a brush

[regal bear]

I'll say it again. You don't need to paint in Blender to do this. You use the UV Editing window to simply map that tile onto your model

Here's the steps:

• In the Layout tab select your model.

• Select 'Edit Mode' and make sure it's on Face mode

• Press the 'a' key to select all faces in your model

• In the UV sub tab select 'Cube Projection'

• Now go to the UV Editing tab

• If your desert sand tile isn't showing use the image selector at the top to select it

• In the view tab on the right of the window make sure Repeat Image is ticked

Let me know when you get to this point

[smoky sierra]

im at the last step

cant find the view tab

?

[regal bear]

click the little < arrow there near the hand and magnifying glass

[smoky sierra]

?

is that it

[formal crane]

you are in the wrong view, go to the uv editing view

[smoky sierra]

ohhh

[regal bear]

In the left window of the split

[smoky sierra]

gotcha

[regal bear]

yep see the view tab there?

[smoky sierra]

omg thank you

got it

then i8 just scale up the faces

?

[regal bear]

Cool so now you can see your tile tiled right?

[smoky sierra]

yeah

[regal bear]

Yep press the 'a' key while in the UV window to selec them all

then use the scale tool to uniformly scale them up and up and up until it looks right

[smoky sierra]

should i clear what i did in texture paint?

[regal bear]

Yeah it won't do anything. Do you have a material setup on the model? If you want see the mapping on the model you'll need the material to use that tile as the texture, not what you were painting.

[smoky sierra]

i scaled up the selection on the right but when i deselect it shows a black box thats not scaled is this bad?

[regal bear]

Oh you don't scale the model on the right - you scale the mapping on the left.

We were working in the UV window on the left only

[smoky sierra]

thats what i meant

like i scaled up the orange selection box in the left window

[regal bear]

Yes that's right - scale it up until it's huge

[smoky sierra]

but does the black box mean anything

also is there a way i can see what the terrain would look like with it applied?

[regal bear]

The black box is just the border of the tile texture. Don't worry about it

[smoky sierra]

ah ok thanks

[regal bear]

To see the texture on the model you need a material setup on the model - as I said a few messages earlier 🙂

[mint grove]

Watch a blender texturing tutorial

[smoky sierra]

krunch basically gave me a crash course lmao

[mint grove]

Oh xd

[smoky sierra]

thanks for all the help i got it working : D

[mint grove]

Is there a way to make an invisible object

[warm canopy]

ModGameObject.SetIsVisible(false)

[smoky sierra]

in my map teh custom object takes a while to load just wondering is the load time based on the complexity of the model the size or the texture

like what primarily

[warm canopy]

All of the above

File size is one of the main factors then how many polygons a model has. Textures are also a big bottleneck, generally best to keep textures sub 800kb for fast load times

[smoky sierra]

shit my texture is 4mb

do you think thats the issue then

[warm canopy]

1mb max Id say. Unless you want to wait 20 minutes

[smoky sierra]

yeah it takes like 5m to load for new player which just makes people leave

[warm canopy]

Reduce texture dimensions and put it through a png compressor if its a png

jpegs use less space but you give up the ability to have a non reflective surface

[smoky sierra]

is there like a good model file size i should aim for like 1mb for texsture

[smoky sierra]

also is there a way to compress or reduce file size of the model

[warm canopy]

You can use blender to reduce the polygons

[radiant lion]

Iirc you can so long as it's all the same opacity

But as for obj files no, you can't compress them, at their core they are just txt files listing all points and tris so the only way to reduce the size is to lower their amount (there is the chance of duplicate points in the file, but I'm assuming blender is smart enough)

[mint grove]

I might've been blind

[dapper jay]

i think someone did setisvisible(false) on that segment of the documentation

[mint grove]

Wdymm

[sturdy iris]

A joke that it got disabled/not made visible

[mint grove]

Ok fug this I am to stupid to understand jokes

[near parcel]

@dapper jay transfering the assets is not what crashes the game, that's done asynchronously and you can see it from the white cubes that are initially spawned before transforming into the actual assets. What crashes the game is spawning thousands of objects on a single physics frame, which you can't get around with client mods

[dapper jay]

not always? ive had times where a normal model just crashed the game

and i was loading only one

[near parcel]

unless your model is stupidly big, that won't happen. People have been able to load models bigger than what the game allows (to the point of the game pruning triangles) without issues

[dapper jay]

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iirc both of those were hangs that eventually lead to a crash

i dont have the assets anymore but they were well within the limits

[near parcel]

i have seen some very rare instances of specific assets crashing the game when spawned for unknown reasons, but those have nothing to do with transfer time and could be fixed by re-exporting the object

[ivory agate]

I'm actually shocked by information like this, how did it ever get so bad in the first place

[tribal gate]

anyone know how to compare structures

[paper bone]

Like compare block placement of structures?

[tribal gate]

no check if two structures are the same over the course of multiple frames

== doesn't work since its always true

also ideally it would give the same result even if half of the structure has been destroyed

[near parcel]

store a reference to the structure, although not sure if you can check if a reference is still valid (maybe do error checking on getting its blocks)

[unkempt yoke]

How many blueprints could you have loaded in with a mod at once?

[scenic echo]

My guess would be until you crash, but there is some weird behaviour with them from what I heard. Something about the blueprints being linked to one person and if they backspace the blueprints disappear too, i think.

[zenith lark]

Hello, where does trailmakers store its default assets

[vernal cedar]

Praying they give the xbox app version of trailmakers a mod manager i cant afford to rebuy all my dlc on steam

[near parcel]

not gonna happen any time soon

[sturdy iris]

i think the ownership is linked to the host

[paper bone]

No, you can decide as which player you spawn the structure

[serene magnet]

They are packaged into the game

Technically there's stuff like the menu video stored in the game file but most assets are packed

[regal bear]

Railmakers City releasing soon!
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[regal bear]

Railmakers City is now released!
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[regal bear]

@willow breach Welcome to the modding role 🙂

[scenic echo]

Is there any way of making the trailmaker faster without just adding force?

[regal bear]

Have you tried Fly Mod?

[radiant lion]

Fly mod uses teleportation iirc, I believe these are the only methods to speed up a player

[regal bear]

yeah Fly Mod is pretty convincing for a fast moving player as the teleportation is interpolated nicely

[scenic echo]

I want to make a boss fight like you find in hollow knight but in trailmakers.
I think using the player wouldn't be the best, i would probably use a custom object as the character.

Also is the modding jam going to happen?
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1428696418935377920

[radiant lion]

Not totally relevant, but long ago I was planning a boss fight using vehicles, problem with that is that there is no clear way to sense damage done trigger is done, you might still be able to sense explosions, but it involves purposefully getting errors

[scenic echo]

if changing health worked you could put one or more blueprints inside the boss and see how much damage those blueprints recieved

[hoary skiff]

@devs add mods to Xbox with ability to create maps their as well

[willow breach]

@formal crane hey I have a genuine question about how the statistics on the steam workshop are being tracked. If my content gets recommend to people in the in game workshop is that being tracked or not? Just wondering how it works.

[cinder spruce]

i don’t believe the in game workshop has the ability to track unique viewers for the mod unfortunately

[willow breach]

Ok i figured so. The reason why im asking is that I have never seen unique viewers surpass the subscriptions. Maybe some wierd algorithm on steam

[near parcel]

in game views aren't counted at all

[mint grove]

What even are unique viewers

[mint grove]

https://tenor.com/view/air-ball-gif-16999706325590024474

[willow breach]

Basically how many people click on your item in the steam workshop, I presume.

[formal crane]

I dont think we have any recommended view in-game. Only if you visit the Steam Workshop through Steam there are "popular" views.
And we dont really have any data on that to my knowledge.

[formal crane]

Yeah only views through Steam is counted! More often we see subscriber counts higher than viewer count, which can indicate that there is a good amount of people which subscribes to mods through the in-game workshop.
But whether they find them through the in-game browser I dont know.

My gut feeling is word-of-mouth/organic marketing... But it is honestly a question we have ourselves 🙂

[willow breach]

Ok interesting. One other question i have is that the formatting in steam looks weird in the in game workshop, is there a plan for an option to make two separate descriptions? One for the in game workshop and one for the steam workshop.

[formal crane]

No plans and I dont think that is the right solution.
Best case we would simple format the text in-game similiar to the Workshop.
But that is on lowest priority.

[willow breach]

Makes sence that this isnt on the top. More like a quality of life feature

[formal crane]

...wonder if this could be modded?
https://www.reddit.com/r/trailmakers/comments/1qjxw6t/what_do_i_want_more_than_anything_else_thermal/

[elfin yarrow]

what is it? (reddit blocked)

[formal crane]

What do I want more than anything else? Thermal updrafts.

This is my favorite build- a replica of the Eta Sailplane. I love flying this thing. But even using no-drag, I still have to use the mounted jet to speed up and gain altitude. Thermals would really help.

[latent pine]

you should be able to activate upwards wind depending on the location right?

idk how easy it would be but you could even use a greyscale image to indicate how strong the wind is at every spot

[radiant lion]

don't remember how well it works, but one option would be the wind assets

[latent pine]

if you need it to work in multiplayer that's your only choice probably

unless you feel like doing drag calculation entirely by yourself in the mod ig

[radiant lion]

the others would be using AddForce, but you can't really detect covered block, nor see how wide they are, so it won't really act as wind

[latent pine]

in sp you can fake local wind by changing the global wind

[radiant lion]

iirc there is only a get for wind, no set

[latent pine]

pretty sure there is a set :p

[formal crane]

There is a set but it is global to the world

[latent pine]

yeah so it would only work in sp

[radiant lion]

yep...

[formal crane]

But yeah I imagined something with AddForce in sort of zones.

[latent pine]

differential equations for wind when

[formal crane]

We do have localised wind zones that needs to be exposed... 🫢

[radiant lion]

just simulate every single air molecule and allow us to add force to them

[formal crane]

Just spawn a bunch of tiny balls and add force to them duh

[latent pine]

does high seas wind work with a vector field or is it a bunch of manually set zones?

[formal crane]

No clue! I know we have authored wind zones, but I dont know how they interact with eachother + global wind

[radiant lion]

i have a vague memory of seeing a wind map texture, but i'm not sure if it was real or if it's what's actually used to set the wind

[elfin yarrow]

there's a different glider build on the workshop (i think it's called skysoarer but i forgot) that supposedly has logic thermals by flying a direction on the compass but i haven't actually tested it yet...

[sturdy iris]

You could use a slight up force every so often. Or wind

[elfin yarrow]

vertical wind is very fun

[sturdy iris]

Yes. It causes chaos

[dapper jay]

there should be wind that follows the graph of tan

[jolly steppe]

hi

[dapper jay]

Welcome to the Aperture Science Enrichment Centre

[tribal gate]

are there any ways to format intrusive messages other than <color=>

[fallow fox]

iirc you can use most of unitys text formatting stuff

[tribal gate]

yeah thanks

[covert pilot]

Yo is there a way to mod the campaigns because I feel like a stranded randomizer or even archipelago would be really fun

[formal crane]

Mods are disabled for Campaigns

[elfin yarrow]

i'm 75% sure that's why he asked

[formal crane]

And I gave him a concrete answer, that you can't!

[elfin yarrow]

aw

[covert pilot]

Are there any plans to let us mod campaigns or no

[formal crane]

No plans.

[covert pilot]

Sad

[unkempt yoke]

How does one make a trailmappers object move on a set path

[sturdy iris]

thats the neat part you dont. the only way to make objects move is with force and maybe torque? (i have never used torque) https://mods.trailmakers.ludixi.com/docs

[unkempt yoke]

Aw is there seriously no way to do it?

[sturdy iris]

nope

i mean you could use wind but it moves everything

[unkempt yoke]

Looks like ill just have to attach some builds to the thing and move it that way

[near parcel]

You can set possition of objects, but not within trailmappers. You need to modify the loader mod

[copper surge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3655569587 tried my best, probably isn't great but i can always improve it

[jolly steppe]

OH- i didnt. i was just happy i got my submarine to load in because my model had too many polygons and disconnected singleplayer.

[tribal gate]

Is there any way to accurately get a blocks health

[sturdy iris]

ModBlock.GetCurrentHealth

It might be a broken function I don't remember but this is currently the only way

[tribal gate]

Yeah it is broken since I tried using it and it seemed like set health sometimes made blocks stronger but didn’t change the health value, get health returns the same thing all the time and starting health is set to either current health or the last set health

[elfin yarrow]

i just took wind mod code and jerry rigged it to change player scale instead

[scenic echo]

It's the good one

[scenic echo]

Setting health is currently broken, it will be fixed next update says Frans

[scenic echo]

Maybe try it without a vector to test it out, like 2, 2 ,2

[scenic echo]

Current health gives you what it says, the health that a block currently has. start health doesn't give you the accurate health

[elfin yarrow]

i guess i can just code smth up not using the wind mod code

atp might as well start fresh

wharradu

[scenic echo]

Check the log file to see where the error comes from

[elfin yarrow]

attempt to call a nil value

..?

[scenic echo]

At what line?

[elfin yarrow]

i don't know

[scenic echo]

It's the first number in the () so line 24

[elfin yarrow]

that's addUiForPlayer in the onPlayerJoined function

i honestly don't see the issue with that line

OOH NVM

[scenic echo]

I think you need to put AddUIText

[elfin yarrow]

it was calling addUiForPlayer but the function is called addUIForPlayer

[elfin yarrow]

true

not again !

playerscale 0 0 042364 💀

oh wait no that's just 0 0 0, i haven't even made the function to change player scale what am i doing

[elfin yarrow]

how does one fix this

[scenic echo]

Maybe try putting the player and not the playerid in getplayertransform, nvm it is playerid

I need the documentation

[scenic echo]

Try using tm.os.log() to see if the playerid is good so before the get player transform put tm.os.log(player.playerId)

[elfin yarrow]

oki

[elfin yarrow]

it's the 0 on top there

[scenic echo]

It must be something with set scale

[elfin yarrow]

wdym

[scenic echo]

The set scale part of that line, the function I'm sure it works

[elfin yarrow]

hmm

i mean, it works fine if you set the scale using the text ui

[scenic echo]

So the mod works?

[elfin yarrow]

yes

just the resetplayerscale button outputs that

[scenic echo]

Ohh

[scenic echo]

Where i highlighted you need to put player, not player.playerId

[elfin yarrow]

ooooh ok

it works

thanks for the help

[scenic echo]

No problem

[elfin yarrow]

what's the correct way to use the id thingy tho

cuz like

there's playerId or player.playerId

nil value where

[formal crane]

on 29 you wrote updateUI with a non capitalised u

[elfin yarrow]

is that not capitalized ?

[scenic echo]

You function is UpdateUI and there you have updateUI

[elfin yarrow]

oh my fucking god-

[formal crane]

on line 20 it is defined as capitalised UpdateUI where on 29 it says updateUI

[elfin yarrow]

i should really check capitalization more often -_-

[formal crane]

just dont ever capitalised and live the easy life

[elfin yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

great idea

[scenic echo]

That's why people do, for example, numberGenerator and not NumberGenerator?

[elfin yarrow]

i thought that was just like a tradition or something

[scenic echo]

You should look at the names of blocks with the modding api, they are super inconsistent

[formal crane]

This is a whole holy war of nerds battling .. It mostly comes down to the style guide of the language.
Example style guide

Variables and functions names should use snake_case.
https://github.com/luarocks/lua-style-guide?tab=readme-ov-file#variable-names

But since the Lua book does not have any official guidelines then you can find something else recommended here
https://github.com/Olivine-Labs/lua-style-guide#variables

[elfin yarrow]

interesting

[formal crane]

I tend to use python style as that's what I mostly write at work
https://peps.python.org/pep-0008/

Which uses snake_case

[scenic echo]

Never knew languages had style guides

[formal crane]

Perhaps one could get inspired by Roblox style guide! Althought.. They do use Luau to my knowledge, which is a different flavour of Lua
https://roblox.github.io/lua-style-guide/

Anyway, infinite hole to dig into :p

[elfin yarrow]

okay so the mod works but it seems to sometimes give the scale to the wrong player..

i am not 100% sure if that's the case tho

[scenic echo]

Hmmm

[dapper jay]

my style guide is "make it readable"

[tribal gate]

The great because last week I made 2 functions using it for block comparisons before realizing it was broken so hopefully they will work next update.

[dapper jay]

we've been "i hope itll be fixed in the next update" for the last like 5 updates

[tribal gate]

Well that’s a shame

[elfin yarrow]

it's fiine, i hope it'll be fixed in the next update

[dapper jay]

iirc the last info we got was "maybe in 2.3"

personally ive been disappointed by way too many maybes sooo

[sturdy iris]

yeah making it lower than 1 makes the game freakout

[dapper jay]

no smallmaker??

[elfin yarrow]

you can but setting the Y value to something between 1 and 0 causes your character to fly upwards at extreme speeds, 0 and negative numbers somewhat work though

scratch that, between 1 and -0.45 ish

and numbers on the extreme edge of those two numbers ascend slower

[regal bear]

Has anyone had a go at using https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1463163384634540142
I'm happy to help if people are having problems. Also I want to improve it so any kind of feedback would be useful.

[elfin yarrow]

why does this not work

i mean, it displays something but that something is "00 0"

[near parcel]

tm.os.log takes a single argument

[dapper jay]

☹️

[elfin yarrow]

well that sucks...

[fallow fox]

replace the commas with ⁨..⁩ that should give the same result

[elfin yarrow]

two dots?

[fallow fox]

that adds 2 strings together

[latent pine]

you can either do string concatonation or send multiple log messages

[near parcel]

you likely want to add extra spaces as well

[near parcel]

or use this:
⁨⁨```lua
local function print(x, ...)
local x = tostring(x)
for _, v in ipairs({...}) do
x = x .. " " .. tostring(v)
end
tm.os.Log(x)
end

print("test", 123, "end") -- Prints "test 123 end"

[tribal gate]

How likely is this to happen #1126534304764264480 message

also can anyone tell me how blueprints hold block data and whether or not it is possible to make a useable blueprint by creating an image and adding block data to it

[near parcel]

they have a binary blob encoded into transparent pixels. You can't make functional blueprints manually.

[tribal gate]

Are there any plans to allows mods to save spawned structures and spawn them later instead of having to load a specific blueprint file

because it is a lot simpler to set the position of structures by just spawning them at a different location than it is to move it using AddForce

and it would also avoid the issue of AddForce destroying structures by moving them too fast

[mint grove]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1451096990862807112

[unkempt yoke]

thank you, i will look into it

[serene magnet]

Is anyone having issues with OnPlayerJoined events not firing?

[elfin yarrow]

like failed to invoke or just not working at all

[serene magnet]

I was having issues with my event not firing and I wanted to figure out if it was an API issue or if its my code

[serene magnet]

Yeah just failing to run when a player joins

[regal bear]

If you try to get the player's position, rotation, etc. straight away when the player joins it fails. There is a delay between the onPlayerJoined event being triggered and the player actually being given a presence in the world. I check if those params are nil in the playerUpdate function so that I can determine when they actually become available.

[serene magnet]

Ah. Ill just add some checks. Thanks for the help

Currently my player join fails to invoke, which doesn't create my player data table I need, which causes update to fail when it tries to call it, which drops the server to 5 fps

[regal bear]

Yeah that can depend on the order of things within your onPlayerJoined function. If the calls that fail are after creating the player data table then at least that will still be done.

[crisp oak]

2 days of work

135 lines of code

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283602046573875294/1365740038389895278/togif.gif

[sturdy iris]

That's a lot of lines actually for 2 days (depending on what I'm doing I write roughly 75 lines of code per 4 hours of work)

[dapper jay]

well actually i write 12 trillion lines of code per cpu cycle at 5Ghz so L + ratio

[radiant lion]

I kinda hate using lines of code as a metric
I can write 10 lines in 2 minutes if i'm setting up a table
Same way I can write 10 lines in 2 hours if it involves odd math, like the missile leading system

[dapper jay]

I remember having like a 12+ hour coding session where i genuinely got nothing done

I was having issues with some math and just couldnt figure anything out

iirc i was trying to convert local yaw and pitch values into a global quat for a turret
I wanted the rotation to not be tied to the turret's base, but i just gave up

[unkempt yoke]

what's the max poly count the game can handle before the model spaghettifies?

[scenic echo]

The maximum is around 30000 triangles, but it can break before that in some weird situations.

[unkempt yoke]

it do this sometimes

[mint grove]

What happened 😭 😭 😭 😭

[elfin yarrow]

well yeah that's what happens if the poly count is too high

[willow breach]

https://tenor.com/view/seeth-meme-memes-2023-goofy-ahh-disintegrate-gif-14577750081686364738

[unkempt yoke]

Yeah I was asking at what point that happens

[sturdy iris]

Easy fix: make your own models

[scenic echo]

Mod idea: While in build mode and selecting a block, show an arrow that points in the direction the block is pointing.

[elfin yarrow]

imagine weldgroup visualizer mod

[elfin yarrow]

why are these ones not showing up?

[scenic echo]

maybe because you have the id "textbox1" which is already used

[elfin yarrow]

oh right

[elfin yarrow]

i'm just gonna release the mod without the function to set player scale range and fix it later

[radiant lion]

what do you mean that shouldn't happen? tempARN is < 1 so the if statement is false, so it calls the else

[sturdy iris]

you have it reversed.

[elfin yarrow]

maybe i should stop coding holy shit

anyways thanks for the help i'll finish that part Later™

[elfin yarrow]

i just had a W idea for later
instead of using tm.os.log i can just send the stuff to in-game chat for debugging

why didn't i think of this earlier

[dapper jay]

logging everything as a permanent subtle message

[elfin yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[dapper jay]

or a very long intrusive message

has anyone tested if RegisterFunctionToCollisionEnterCallback works with any gameobj?

[unkempt yoke]

#1451096990862807112 message how can this be used to rotate models?

By a certain distance, or at a certain speed, or for a certain time, just anything, not full 360 rotation but like, just a lil bit

[sturdy iris]

can someone link me how i post a mod with a front picture?

[fallow fox]

just put a file called preview.png in your mod folder iirc

[radiant lion]

Make sure it's less than 1MB

[sturdy iris]

anything for dimensions?

[elfin yarrow]

preferrably 1:1 because that's the ratio the workshop uses to display things

dimensions just whatever lets you go under 1mb

also you can just use the same method as blueprints if you want, that's what i did

[scenic echo]

just putting a Preview.png photo is so much easier, i probably wouldn't put a thumbnail on my stuff if i had to do it like that.

[elfin yarrow]

i will make sure to do that next time, though the normal one is not too troublesome for me

[sturdy iris]

uhhhh

help?

it uploaded but no picture

ah i see why

how do i remove my old mod??

oh i already found it

[dapper jay]

would it be possible to make 1:1 recreations of vanilla maps with trailmappers?

[scenic echo]

you can just update it by clicking the edit button, no need to remove your mod

[scenic echo]

also what was the issue

[sturdy iris]

my png was 0.08 mb too big

[scenic echo]

no way

[sturdy iris]

yes way

[scenic echo]

the most anoying thing for me is that after i do change it through steam cmd, i have to restart steam so i can actually play trailmakers, otherwise it's stuck in infinite loading profile

[elfin yarrow]

yeah that is definitely annoying

[elfin yarrow]

@sturdy iris

[scenic echo]

wait you want to despawn all mlvins?

[elfin yarrow]

yes and i'm brute forcing it by just running the despawn command a bunch of times

[scenic echo]

tm.physics.ClearAllSpawns() should do it, but it removes all the spawned stuff, not only the melvins

[elfin yarrow]

doesn't that only remove the stuff spawned by the mod itself?

[sturdy iris]

no every thing

[scenic echo]

yeah, that's the only things a mod can remove

[elfin yarrow]

oh guh

not seem to be working

i mean like

[latent pine]

you probably want <= instead of == for safety

also for loops exist why do this

[elfin yarrow]

because i don't actually know how to code

[latent pine]

repeat

until ()
``` is so funny to me for some reason

guess I'm just to used to

```c++
do {

} while ();

[elfin yarrow]

sounds like the same thing 😭

[latent pine]

only difference is that the condition is inverted

[elfin yarrow]

yes

[scenic echo]

end ```
this should work in lua(i'm used to c++ for loops)

[latent pine]

or

for i in range(16) do

end

if i am not misremembering lua

[latent pine]

apparently it's

for timer = 15, 0, -1 do

end

[scenic echo]

ohh yeah

[latent pine]

if you want to go backwards

[scenic echo]

lua is so much simpler than c++

[latent pine]

simple does not mean easy

brainfuck is very simple

[elfin yarrow]

genuinely how does that even work

[latent pine]

0 is the stop condition, -1 is the step it takes

in c++ you can just leave out everything lol

for (;;) {

}

my beloved

[elfin yarrow]

wtf 😭

[latent pine]

it's the same as

while (true) {

}

[formal crane]

https://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.4.html

Usually the lua.org has decent examples of how things work 🙂

[elfin yarrow]

neat

[elfin yarrow]

my brain is a little too fried to search through that

[formal crane]

I simple googled "lua for loops" and the lua book is usually first result

[elfin yarrow]

noted

i shall continue working on my plane now

[latent pine]

easiest way to find out stuff very often

sometimes helpful to look at the official docs as well

[crisp oak]

i come from a roblox studio background

lua is love

lua is life

❤️‍🩹

[elfin yarrow]

i don't, i have like 15m of java experience

[crisp oak]

first thing you should learn is metatables

very important

(do not listen to me)

[sturdy iris]

I come from a python and C# environment. Lua still feels weird

[elfin yarrow]

never heard that ngl

[crisp oak]

it's a substitute for OOP

cuz lua isn't normally object oriented but with metatables you can make it act like it is

[elfin yarrow]

-# i have no idea what that is either

[crisp oak]

[spiral raven]

is it possible to unload meshes

like say remove the pioneers map

[fallow fox]

no

[spiral raven]

what if i turn the entire island into a deformable then use a big bomb to blow it away

I yearn for a pioneers skybox + pioneers water empty map

[sturdy iris]

just pioneers water on an empty map

[spiral raven]

Hell yeah

or what if

we just changed the skybox atmosphere and water on all maps to the pioneers ones

its a free map so theres no money loss

also the game would look better

[sturdy iris]

yeah i agree the water on pioneers is just supreme to anything

[radiant lion]

That's python

With its stupid ranges

[sturdy iris]

Range is fun but also annoying

[latent pine]

python and lua occupy the same dusty corner in my brain

[sturdy iris]

for me its javascript (i have not yet learned it) and python aswell

[dapper jay]

is there a way to spawn blueprints at their center by default or do i have to manually figure out the offset?

[dapper jay]

seems like ive been asking the toughest questions of all time

[spiral raven]

i dont know how to mod but id say no

[radiant lion]

I mean, I've seen easier questions...
You can try moving the blueprint in build mode before saving, but I doubt that will change anything, so the answer is most likely no, just make a little function that given the direction vector and offset vector returns the final offset, it shouldn't be too hard, especially since iirc blueprints don't support rotation on the Z axis

[sturdy iris]

i have no clue. maybe it spawn in the center off mass? but then again i have no clue

[dapper jay]

darn!

[elfin yarrow]

how big is one vector unit actually

for globalwind

[dapper jay]

1 meter probably

[mint grove]

Is there a way to add images to the UI?

I was just wondering

[warm canopy]

Nope

[paper bone]

You can use custom icons in the subtle messages but thats it as far as i know

[sturdy iris]

what are the differences between the .addforce .addforceimpulse .addforceacceleration .addvelocitychange? and which dirrections are the X Y and Z?

because im trying to make a missile mod v2 (missile launcher instead of making the missile)

[radiant lion]

Here you can see the differences
https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.3/Documentation/ScriptReference/Rigidbody.AddForce.html
Tho iirc you only have one option when applying it to creations.
Directions are +Y up, +Z North, +X east

[dapper jay]

you can place coloured characters and make them sort of look like an image, but iirc labels have a max character count of ~64 so its completely unviable

[ivory agate]

What about slapping a textured quad in world space?

I guess you'd get lighting interaction that way so it wouldn't work that well

[dapper jay]

cant get camera position so good luck

[radiant lion]

Maybe if you flicker the camera really fast between default and a place where you have the UI could work

It either gives you epilepsy or has a mediocre result where the gui is half transparent and the rest of the screen has a permanent filter on it, I'd say worthed

[ivory agate]

If this game used TAA that could actually work lmaoo

[elfin yarrow]

i mean, if you teleport the camera to some place that has just white with about the same brightness as the current scene then it shouldn't be that bad

[acoustic plover]

how do i upload maps to test map that i made

nvm

[serene magnet]

I realized I created trailmakers hell

Uploaded this a couple days ago as a render of an upcoming map. Everything is made with a procedural generation script... everything is a unique model...

2-3 days ahh load time

[icy oyster]

since trailmakers got rid of it, a mod to add back the silence when you break the sound barrier again would be nice

[mint grove]

I this trailmakers

[formal crane]

No it is a render.

[serene magnet]

Its a render in blender but it could be ported to TM

I might include a copy of shrek just to kill time while it loads though

[mint grove]

Ohhhh

[latent pine]

add a doom emulator as a loading screen

[serene magnet]

And make it load even slower?

[serene magnet]

I just realized that if we have mapmakers 2026 I cant compete because I don't think they wanna wait 15 minutes for my map to load

[warm canopy]

Tempted to make the first doom lvl in trailmakers

[elfin yarrow]

brick rigs

[dapper jay]

would it be just a map or an actual level with weapons and enemies and etc?

[warm canopy]

Actual level

[scenic echo]

Do it, it would be awesome

It would be even more impressive than when you made golf

[dapper jay]

oh neat

i tried making guns but i didnt make my own fake player for it

wouldve been a bit better if i did but that wasnt the mod idea

[warm canopy]

I should probably revisit my golf mod at some point, I think its broken in multiplayer

[gritty wave]

in mapmakers is there any way to

1. edit a map besides test zone?
2. have water?

[mint grove]

1. Yes
2. You can build over maps that have water

[gritty wave]

how?

[mint grove]

By loading the mod in on a different map

[gritty wave]

very helpful thx

[radiant lion]

No, graphically In trail mapper you can't load other maps

[wind sinew]

Hi i'm interested in making a map wich would just be a simple racetrack without timer or anything that would require scripting.
I know Trailmapper is a thing but i wanted to ask first if there's a better or alternative ways to make map that would let me have more freedom.
I'm experienced using blender, unity, etc.

If anyone knows of alternative ways of making maps or ressources i could use to learn the best ways to create in trailmaker. Please ping me.

[mint grove]

Trailmappers can use blender and is the only program currently that can make you load 3d models into your mod (besides visual studio)

[scenic echo]

Uhhh, you are misunderstanding a bit. You don't need visual studio code or trailmappers to load in a 3d model. You can do it with a main.lua file and your 3d model. Visual studio code is basically a text editor but with some stuff that makes coding easier

[mint grove]

Yes that's what I said

[mint grove]

Just that I kind of just think if visual studio when editing code

[paper bone]

Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code are NOT the same thing

[mint grove]

Wait there's another visual studio

[paper bone]

Yes

[mint grove]

I may be very stupid

[dusty umbra]

VS Code is really nice for LUA, you can import the LUA file we create to get autocomplete and it has more plugins that are free

[mint grove]

Wait why is there a purple one

What is it even for😭 😭 😭

[paper bone]

Mostly for compiled code like c#

[latent pine]

lots of other alternatives with lsp integration as well

zed and neovim for example

(zed is just a strict upgrade over vscode imo)

[sturdy iris]

I personally prefer visual Studio Code as it's just way faster and can be used for more things from my experience

[latent pine]

i do not believe that vscode is faster than zed lmao
only major reason for staying on vscode imo is the more mature plugin ecosystem since it's just older

[sturdy iris]

I don't even know zed lmao

[latent pine]

basically vscode but without electron and made in rust

[scenic echo]

hmm, i might take a look at that

[fast oyster]

loading a large amount of models is so slow i doubt anythings even happening

[formal crane]

if you enable the mod window (add any kind of ui element) you can see the transferring

[fast oyster]

the what?

i just use trailmappers😭

[formal crane]

ah right; it doesn't come with any mod window 🤷‍♂️

context: when mods add ui elements, a window appears that is exclusive the the mod itself. When it is on, the transferring of custom assets are shown

[fast oyster]

ahh ok, my mod is chewing up 17 gigs of ram lmao

is there a chance that the mod is so big trailmakers got hung up on something?, theres a model that is 16 kb so it might that model

idk tho

[crisp oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232696807553765457/1474004160574787748/giphy-1.gif

[willow breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914542309662670868/1473445466380304617/akeb89.gif

[sturdy iris]

Wut

[elfin yarrow]

crazy work

[dapper jay]

what did you add in your map exactly

[mint grove]

I can assure it's a Hydrogen bomb

:p

[fast oyster]

It’s a single building split into multiple parts

[serene magnet]

I guess im never using zed

[serene magnet]

I dont think 16kb is your issue chief

[latent pine]

it has an ai master switch unlike some other ide

[sturdy iris]

You do realize VS code also uses ai right?

[serene magnet]

Thats why I dont use it

Pulsar for the win

[mint grove]

https://tenor.com/view/teardown-explosion-apocalypse-end-of-the-world-alien-invasion-gif-26122528

I wonder how long and hard it would be to make a racetrack with similar gameplay mechanics to motorstorm apocalypse

[fast oyster]

maybe texture size then?

loading time shouldnt like exceed 10 mins right?

[dapper jay]

theres no standard for loading time

[regal bear]

It can due to the texture loading system using geological time. If we could use jpg without the default reflection then texture sizes would be 10 times smaller. Instead we are forced to use 32bit png just to have an alpha channel that can remove the reflectivity.

[oblique bone]

is any way to import a model with its textures. or will i have to split up the model and get textures separately for each part?

[formal crane]

No, since OBJ does not support embedded textures.

[oblique bone]

okay thanks

[oblique bone]

dose making a platform smaller lag less (trailmappers), i have my floor covering the whole testzone, at 250x250 strech. i changed it to 150x150 and idk if there is any dif

[radiant lion]

There shouldn't be

[oblique bone]

okay

[fast oyster]

might the mod not load due to an amount of models? cause rn i have 16 models in my mod, is that it?

and it hung up on 6% according to trailmappers mod ui

and it just cubes but it is like that for most stuff, so not suprised there

ima let it load a bit more

like wait

and then see what happens

actually might optimize the bigger models in the mod meanwhile

fixed it after optimizing

i think

its at 43% now

CMON

GO UP

PLEASE

it crashed..

back to optimizing ig

[ivory agate]

Or just as like a proxy to install msvc so you can use clang because you have to do that for some reason (c/cpp try not to have a terrible toolchain challenge)

[ivory agate]

I was going to say you could technically write a gltf to obj parser in lua as your mod but then you'd need to do something extra to actually load the image data because of how file IO works in the modding api

[spiral raven]

help

my buildings are melting

[regal bear]

Be aware of this issue: https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1408068660907474964

The Trailmappers loader gets around this by loading in chunks with pauses in between.

In KrunchLoader I dropped the chunk size down from 30 to 10 as the Trailmappers loader still crashes with really big maps.

I've done my own staged loading system for loading and unloading tracks in Track Creator plus.

[regal bear]

That is the auto-LOD system in Trailmakers. To get around this you can add an extra face about 500m below the rest of the model. That makes the game think it's a bigger object and pushes the LOD distance out a lot further.

[spiral raven]

If i could kiss you i would

In a thankful manner of course

[regal bear]

Of course

[fast oyster]

I got it to work by decimating my model severely still works tho lol

[mint grove]

Ray tracing reference

[oblique bone]

how did u import a model with its textures?

and why do i keep geting this error, it also dose not spawn at the right spawn pos even when i change he pos in the main.lua

[mint grove]

U on trailmappers?

[oblique bone]

yeah

sucks buns icl

are there alternatives?

[mint grove]

You need to export your texture as a png

[oblique bone]

i would not know how to do that

like export the full texture from blender in to a png?

[mint grove]

Yea there are tutorials for this

[oblique bone]

iv only done solid textures for my sand ground

i gota try that thanks

going to add a airfield to my dunes map

[mint grove]

Then put it into your custom models folder

[oblique bone]

do yk how to fix the spawning issue aswell?

[mint grove]

Krunch loader

[oblique bone]

i just set it up i think it fixd it

avent goten alot of testing done tho

but ty

[mint grove]

Np

I love being helpful

[oblique bone]

it looks like ppl still spawn below the desegnated spawn thing, i havent used the spawnpoint obj cus it didnt work when i tryd

it still spawns em at the floor

@mint grove

[mint grove]

You can drag the picture on to your custom model

[oblique bone]

ikik

[mint grove]

I didnt yet use krunch loader so I can't really help in that

[oblique bone]

i have and it didnt spawn players there anyways

dang okay

[oblique bone]

dosnt work for me il try fix the lua code ig

[onyx wing]

hey

is there a mod that lets me put modifications higher then the value limit

like put rocket engine to the value of 10

[mint grove]

Wdym

[onyx wing]

i want to make thrusters push further then their limit

[mint grove]

But what exactly are you referring to

What value limit

[onyx wing]

set the values higher then the normal limit

[mint grove]

Is there even a limit or are you using some specific mod

[mint grove]

@regal bear can probably help you with that

[onyx wing]

the speed in the block configuration

of both the rocket and the thrusters

they are limited at 1 for rocket and thrusters

[onyx wing]

i am looking for a mod that lets me put those values higher then the limit

[mint grove]

You would need to make it yourself

[onyx wing]

so there isnt one

[near parcel]

you can increase the power of thrusters through mods, but it's not saved to blueprints

[regal bear]

I'm happy to help you get it working. Did you replace the main.lua file with the special one after each time you exported your map?

[oblique bone]

no but i think i fix it in the main.lua code anyways, ty tho:D

[regal bear]

The special main.lua file you need is stored in the data_static folder so you just need to copy it over the main.lua file that Trailmappers creates on each export.

It literally has 1 line of code in it that points to the KrunchLoader:
tm.os.DoFile("krunchloader")

[regal bear]

You have to copy that file over after every time you have exported your map.

[oblique bone]

yt noticed that lol

[dapper jay]

hashtag so mysterious

[crisp oak]

you could use my mod:
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1468732878170095874

or terrorsoul's tuneit:
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1450829161676542074

[onyx wing]

thank u

[scenic echo]

this is fun

[dim spruce]

function onModLoaded()
tm.os.Log("Oganesson started")
tm.playerUI.AddSubtleMessageForAllPlayers(
"Oganesson started",
"Press tab for Oganesson menu",
2.5,
""
)
end

tm.events.onModLoaded.add(onModLoaded)

Why doesnt htis work

[warm canopy]

Because onModLoaded isnt a thing

[dim spruce]

Bruh

[warm canopy]

If you want it to run when a mod loads, you dont need to wrap it in an function

[dim spruce]

ok thanks

multiple guides claimed onModLoaded to be an internal function

probably deprecated

[formal crane]

Which ones?
Don't think it has ever been.

[dim spruce]

I found it on ludixi

didnt work

then asked chatgpt about it and it also claimed it was real and said my code should work

idrk

[warm canopy]

Its on their?

[dim spruce]

ludixi?

im not used to using lua for modding i though an internal function that ran on mod loding should work

[warm canopy]

Yeah?

[dim spruce]

makes sense

[dim spruce]

mhm

[warm canopy]

Ah I see where youve seen it

[dim spruce]

theres basically a restating of the api docs

with definitions fopr each fuinction and calss

class

i saw it on there

but thanks

OKAY WELL IVE GOT ANOTHER ISSUE

oops caps

[dim spruce]

yeah

is onPlayerjoined real?

[warm canopy]

Yup

[dim spruce]

ah

[near parcel]

Probable AI generated ones

[near parcel]

It has never been a thing

[dim spruce]

odd

[warm canopy]

Maybe you was getting confuseed with the function being called OnModLoaded in that example

[dim spruce]

oh yeah i also did try just running the function but that didnt work

im assuming top level functions that arent system functions dont work or similar

but i gtg

brb

[near parcel]

Learn how lua works, then try again

[dim spruce]

sounds kinda backhanded lol

and yes i know basic lua im just not familiar with it for modding

[dim spruce]

i also program in python, javascript, c# and rust

[near parcel]

You are asking very basic things that aren't related to modding. Code execution works just like in lua. If it doesn't, you are doing something wrong

[dim spruce]

dude i just misinterpreted a guide chill

yeah i got a system functon wrong of course its gonna give me an error

i know very basic code structure and hierarchy outside of that

if ive been programming trailmakers mods for longer maybe i would know most common functions for mod and player initiation etc etc

you dont have to be rude about it

im outta here

[dapper jay]

i admit i have never once thought of comparing quaternions

[regal bear]

There should be a mod API lua file in your mods directory (trailmakers_docs.lua). It will show you all the available functions in the API.

[mint grove]

This would probably fit more into #general-trailmakers

[primal frost]

Too shy to put it there lol

[mint grove]

Meh do it u have my full support

[scenic echo]

is having 3000 trees on a map a bad idea?

[paper bone]

Naah

Should be fine

[scenic echo]

@serene magnet how many trees do you have on iron wood?

[paper bone]

Iirc he had about 20 000 trees

[serene magnet]

Yeah it was about 20k. Its probably less now but it was able to run with 20k

Im approaching a similar number with snowbound currently

[oblique bone]

how do u go about placing 20k trees?

ik there is a mod for it but it dosntwork anymore i think

i need to add some dead trees and cactuses over my desert map :-/

[elfin yarrow]

i think it's the sprinkle tool mod

and then deleting the ones that spawn in inconvenient places

[oblique bone]

Yeah could not get it to work

[paper bone]

Ill take a look at it soon, in the mean time you can have the github link if you want

[oblique bone]

yes please

[paper bone]

https://github.com/Blockmaster00/Sprinkle-Tool

[oblique bone]

ty

[serene magnet]

I used sprinkletool for Ironwood but im probably gonna develop something for Snowbound

[dusty viper]

has the server mod button thing moved or am i stupid? can't seem to find it and i most definitely have mods enabled

[mint grove]

Try looking more It shouldnt just disappear

[warm canopy]

Sometime this month the whole ludixi trailmakers stuff and modding page etc will be down. As I'm moving to self hosting the website. Current host keeps sneakily increasing the monthly cost ^_^

[radiant lion]

Self hosting Is really good, especially with few visits

I might have used a broken e-reader for that

[primal plaza]

i'm probably the best to ever do lua ever, took only a brisk 6 hours and the sacrifice of my firstborn child

[mint grove]

Crazy

[fast oyster]

how does one change the playermodel like this

[fallow fox]

I am pretty sure thats made with ai

[fast oyster]

it is?

i really cant tell

shadows seem mostly accurate

[fallow fox]

I am not sure but, it was posted right after the same person posted some thing obviously ai

[fast oyster]

i had no idea

there doesnt seem to be any ai artifacts that cant be chopped up to AA errors on the feathers

[radiant lion]

I don't think it's ai, but it does look like a chicken png just slapped on there

[fast oyster]

looking at the shadow direction it might be a modified picture in some way, compare the direction of the shadow on the chicken to the shadow on the car, they seem very different, no?

he addmitted to using photshop in general so its most likely that, damn good job in that case

what a shame

[scenic echo]

or just the old reliable photoshop

[near parcel]

If you actually wanted to do it, you can make the player model very small and spawn a 3d asset that follows the players' position

[scenic echo]

except you can't make the player smaller because you just start flying

[sturdy iris]

It works sometimes but also not

[scenic echo]

I tested it once

[sturdy iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296562030624899072/1442919356039303341/GifCapture-202511251739285072.gif

[willow breach]

@formal crane Can I ask something in PM?

[serene magnet]

These trees are gonna make me actually crash out

[willow breach]

Breath in the fresh air of the trees

[scenic echo]

I have finished Spa Francorchamps, i might make updates in the future but for now it's done. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3682389868

[sturdy iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAEvcRcVJMo my mod actually got featured by scrapman!

[scenic echo]

Good job

[shell ridge]

photoshop

i think that if you can set the position of a no collision 3d model of that to your characters position at all times it might work

[regal bear]

Posted a video demonstrating one of the new missions:
#1446840402274684968 message

[formal crane]

<@&1123912996406706277> 2.3.1 modding changelog

Known Issues

• ModBlock.GetJetPower() throws exception

Changes

• Removed ModColor.RGBtoHSV()

Features

• Added tm.enums namespace that contains built-in enums: RespawnReason, `
• Added new player related events: playerExitSeat, playerEnterSeat, playerSpawned, playerKilledPlayer, playerChangedTeam, playerEnterBuilder and playerExitBuilder
• Added tm.players.ForceExitSeat(playerId) to force player out of their seat
• Added tm.players.SetBlockLimit(guid, limit) to set block type limit request
• Added tm.physics.GetAllBlockMetaData() which returns a list of all block types and related information such as guid, name and description
• Added ModBlock.GetBlockMetaData() to get BlockMetaData of specific Block
• Added subscribable alternative to OnKeyPressed and OnKeyReleased that returns ModPlayer and Key Name. request
• Added various quaternion operations such as normalize, addition, subtraction, multiply with scalar [request](#1441204155137130648 message)
• Added ModBlock health related functions such get SetFullHealth(), DoDamageAmount(), Revive(), InstantKill()

Fixes

• Fixed quaternion equality operators giving incorrect results [request](#1441202495081808054 message)
• Fixed issue where UI Labels would be center aligned after minimising and maximising mod window [request](#1372195980753240194 message)
• Fixed issue with input registration not working if registered on first mod update frame
• Fixed and reworked health related functions for ModBlock request
• Less malformed Lua Docs generation

[scenic echo]

❤️

[regal bear]

Thank you for these fixes and additions 🙂

With this one...

"Fixed issue where UI Labels would be center aligned after minimising and maximising mod window"

Unfortunately it looks a misderstanding has occured. labels are now always remaining left justified. I was expecting that the left justified mode would be removed leaving labels to always show as centre justified.

[scenic echo]

2.3 now is my favourite update.

[formal crane]

Maybe I am completely misrembering, but wasn't labels always left-aligned and the bug would center align them?

[scenic echo]

It might be better like this because if you had text before updating numbers the text and numbers would jitter making it hard to read

[regal bear]

No the bug was that at initial load they would be left aligned until ANY mod on your screen was minimised then ALL mods would become centre justified and it stayed that way 🙂 I have designed my UI's for centre justification.

[formal crane]

Ah shoot. I will get something in for the next hotfix - since this behaviour should not have been changed, but simple not be affected by the window minimizing.

Thanks for reporting!

[regal bear]

It's my personal preference to have them centred - it seemed to me that was the expected behaviour - but of course if others feel differently it's fair to hear those thoughts too.

[serene magnet]

We are so up. I already have ideas

Thank you devs for the content

[formal crane]

Ill have to double check hah! But I will get back to this.. Worst case.. Ill have to investigate a little harder on getting some kind of GUI Styles in.

[dapper jay]

epic

[mint grove]

This is so cool thank you Frans

I love the new Events

[regal bear]

Cool. I mean having the option to choose text alignment per label would be fantastic 🙂 but I'm probably asking too much.

But right now the left justified text is making me 😭

[formal crane]

I think the event pattern for Lua is pretty strong way to interact from the game -> mods, so likely more to come with that.

[mint grove]

Yay

[formal crane]

I also have it in my backlog to do it for Collision trigger as requested by Alvaro in the other thread https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1134472573380468848

[willow breach]

Please help him

[regal bear]

Yes people often tell me I need help 😂

[scenic echo]

i cannot figure out how to change the health of blocks with the updated functions

[formal crane]

Some quick examples from me that I will put on Wiki as well.

Example – Revive Low-Health Blocks on Key Press

local ReviveLowHealthBlocks = function(player, keyDown)
    if keyDown ~= "k" then
        return
    end
    local structures = tm.players.GetPlayerStructures(player.playerId)
    for _, structure in ipairs(structures) do
        local blocks = structure.GetBlocks()
        for _, block in ipairs(blocks) do
            local fullHealth = block.GetFullHealth()
            local currentHealth = block.GetCurrentHealth()
            if currentHealth < fullHealth * 0.5 then
                block.Revive()
                local newHealth = block.GetCurrentHealth()
                tm.os.Log("Revived " .. block.GetBlockMetaData().Name() .. 
                          " health from " .. string.format("%.2f", currentHealth) ..
                          " to " .. string.format("%.2f", newHealth))
            end
        end
    end
end
tm.input.OnPlayerKeyDown.add(ReviveLowHealthBlocks)

This of course only uses Revive which full revives the block.

[scenic echo]

i'm wondering about setting health to a specific number, i just can't get it to work

[formal crane]

There are only functions to set start health.

[warm canopy]

"Generic"
"Impact"
"Explosion"
"Lava"
"Projectile"
"Electric"
"JointTear"
"ExitSeat"
"Emp"
"SpaceBlaster"
"MechanicalFailure"
"HarvestBasic"
"HarvestMineral"
"HarvestMineral2"
"HarvestOrganic"
]]

local TriggerEMP = function(player, keyDown)
    if keyDown ~= "k" then
        return
    end
    
    local structures = tm.players.GetPlayerStructures(player.playerId)
    if not structures then 
        return 
    end

    for _, structure in ipairs(structures) do
        for _, block in ipairs(structure.GetBlocks()) do
            block.DoDamageAmount(1, player.playerId, "Emp")
        end
    end

    tm.playerUI.AddSubtleMessageForPlayer(player.playerId, "Applied damage", "", 1, "")

end

tm.input.OnPlayerKeyDown.add(TriggerEMP)```
Heres an example of the new damage amount function

[spiral raven]

where is the "increase maximum depth" command

[elfin yarrow]

awesome stuff

[scenic echo]

When does playerspawned trigger? When you backspace or when the player joins the server?

[scenic echo]

What is start health? And in which scenarios could i use it?

[oblique bone]

build stealing mods incoming...
"tm.players.ForceExitSeat(playerId)"

[sturdy iris]

Smart! Comparing the structure owner ID to check if it's a stealer

[oblique bone]

huh?

[sturdy iris]

Wait you're not doing that. What are you doing?

[latent pine]

probably stealing the blueprint a player is in

[sturdy iris]

...

[oblique bone]

no it kicks them out of seats and freezes them lmao

[near parcel]

Only the host can enable mods, and you can join non-modded servers/host your own

[oblique bone]

stop their vehicle, revive their blocks, teleport myself to them, kick them out of their seat, then pin them in place for 10 sec

[latent pine]

teleport them to 0,0,0

[sturdy iris]

You can also just make a mod to compare owner ID and player ID to kick people out of the server if they're not the same

[oblique bone]

i want them to see me when i take there valuables and run off with it

[sturdy iris]

I mean that's also definitely possible lmao

[mint grove]

kinda of topic but somebody wanna try my simple python code

[near parcel]

#off-topic

[mint grove]

ok😭😭😭

[scenic echo]

is there any way to know which blocks were banned by the player?

[formal crane]

just been low on energy sorry for late answer - no and i am not sure why i didn't think of that. ill add a task for it

[oblique bone]

please let us save presets for banned blocks and block limits 🙏

[paper bone]

You could do that with a simple mod, so i dont really see the need

[oblique bone]

less players joing, most ppl have hidde modded servers, and most of the time only 5 year old kids join when i host mod servers

take like 10 min to get a full server and im at the top of the list aswell

[paper bone]

Then suggest it in #suggestions

[oblique bone]

mmmm

[paper bone]

Its not really modding related

[oblique bone]

cool

[mint grove]

I wish us mortals had access to #1123915629653667943

[scenic echo]

become modder, easy

[scenic echo]

you can probably just ask for it and you will be given the role, even dizana has it and she hasn't done much modding at all

[latent pine]

you do need a mod with a decent amount of downloads tbf

[scenic echo]

you do? i just asked johannes for it

[latent pine]

oh yeah johannes doesn't care lmao

[scenic echo]

when did this mod get 1000 downloads... I might update it, i didn't realise so many people downloaded it
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3427741362

[latent pine]

I should continue working on my command mod

kinda neglected it lmao

I'm going to be busy for the next few weeks but I can work on it again after that

haven't had much inspiration for tm builds so that should be more fun

[scenic echo]

you could do a ban block command, though it might be useless

[latent pine]

I alr have a kick command lol

also very redundant

though the blacklist command can be pretty useful

[scenic echo]

you could make it remember banned blocks and ban them next time you launch the mod

[latent pine]

oh yeah true

that's actually pretty useful

[scenic echo]

yeah

[latent pine]

first thing I'll do is rework the mod structure though

make things more modular so that any "package" can just be its own header file that the mod calls

it would be fun if tm could use curl lol

that way I could make a package manager for the mod and put everything as independent files on a githuh repo

seems like a major security risk though :p

[mint grove]

Hmm then I'll ask

Hmm I might as well do it here

@formal crane can I have <@&1123912996406706277> role?

[near parcel]

What have you worked on?

[mint grove]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1452414441391132845

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1470161253526671504

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1476283301273796702

[near parcel]

#1123915629653667943 is mostly for API related things, for assets you can use #1196793172429394050

[mint grove]

I'm not missing any assets

[near parcel]

Then why do you want to access #1123915629653667943 ?

[mint grove]

Cus there are many gameplay elements I would want to add to my maps just as I added traffic to https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1452414441391132845 with the help of terror soul

[formal crane]

just like me one of your mods with +100 subs on steam that is the current requirement

[mint grove]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3516296212

[formal crane]

we have been giving the role out if you have +100 subs on a workshop item under "mod" category . that goes goes "modders" and "mappers" too -- likely to seperate these in the future to ensure we target both correctly 😄

[formal crane]

bam

[mint grove]

Ty I'll then suggest things in the following days in #1123915629653667943 if that doesn't cause any trouble

[formal crane]

Yeah remember to use the template as format! 😄 https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1123939608464457788

[mint grove]

Oki thank you for reminding me

[formal crane]

make me proud 🫡

[mint grove]

Ay ay captain

[near parcel]

#1123915629653667943 is for api features, not for asking people to make mods for you

[mint grove]

ik that

And I will learn lua to not need to ask people random stuff

[near parcel]

then you have currently no reason to use #1123915629653667943

[near parcel]

better to do that, as it currently stands it makes no sense mappers who haven't touched programming/lua have access to #1123915629653667943 which is entirely about the programming/lua side

[mint grove]

As I said I also won't be putting stuff there rn

It will take some time

[near parcel]

then you can get the modding role (assuming they are split) once you have the knowledge to use that channel

[formal crane]

I hear you - and don't disagree, but I don't see the problem yet and I am not going to gate people who might be smart enough to request API features but only do mapping 🙂
Will slowly migrate in the future, but as of now I don't consider it an actual issue.

[near parcel]

by that reasoning the channel should just be open to everyone. If someone has the knowledge of the programming/lua side to make API request, it will be easily apparent when they talk here, even if they haven't published any mods

[oblique bone]

this guy loves arguing 😭

[regal bear]

We've uploaded a small update to our Railmakers City map. Details here: #1446840402274684968 message

[elfin yarrow]

this is some evil shi

i gotta post everything unlisted to the ws now

[serene magnet]

Im absolutely doing that

Would be banger to also have force into seat so you can replace their repair build with a single seat you spawned

[twin nest]

is it posable to mod the pc gamepass version of TR? (i have it purchased)

[mint grove]

Maybe If there is a mod folder

-# Also isn't it tm?

[twin nest]

yes but im dumb

[twin nest]

also explain

[mint grove]

If you go into a game of trailmakers in the pause menu there should be a button to activate mods and then also to get you to the mods folder

[near parcel]

no

[mint grove]

That's surprising shouldn't trailmakers be the same over all platforms

[near parcel]

most things are, but there are platform specific things as well

[twin nest]

sad

[scenic echo]

I had an evil idea, a mod that exposes the location of people by moving around position sensors with rc senders

[stiff falcon]

can someone help me with a map im trying to have something show in game at a certain spot i have the posion sensors and alt blocks to see where in the world it is and in trailmapers i do the same cords and it isnt showing

i got no clue i to line it up corectly with where i want it in game

[stiff falcon]

ive managed to get my rotaion lat and long correct but the alt im unsure of in game

is it just the alt sensor value -100?

[regal bear]

Trailmappers adds 300m on export to match Testzone

[stiff falcon]

so how would i get the correct alt then in a different map without having to do random number to get it right?

[regal bear]

Just subtract 300 from the Y value

[stiff falcon]

that dont add up. in trailmapers its -99 but ubtracting 300 gets by -298

[formal crane]

We have thread for Trailmappers #1226065444364877835

[stiff falcon]

sorry i didnt see it. i figured this was part of it because its a mod

[tame tulip]

Is there like a mod to make blocks not take damage from explosions?

[mint grove]

There is a mod that makes blocks get less damage or smth

[tame tulip]

really?

which one?

[mint grove]

It's on the workshop @warm canopy probably knows it's name but I don't know it really

[tame tulip]

alr

[scenic echo]

it's broken right now, @regal bear said he is going to try fixing it soon

[mint grove]

Ohh ok didn't know that

[errant dew]

After a long time vehicles can despawn after not having a player in there seat if they cause lag for a while. is there a mod or way to prevent that? this was not a big deal till until I started using rc. I'm in single player

[sturdy iris]

i believe there is such a mod yes. but im not 100% sure. its called cholesterol iirc

[cinder spruce]

that mod despawns stuff faster, he wants to disable despawning

[errant dew]

Thanks for replying but it did the opposite lol. it saw that the vehicles were causing lag and removed then sooner

[sturdy iris]

ohhhh now i get it

i dont think there is a mod for it. i havent heard anything about it if it exists

[cinder spruce]

unfortunately i don’t know of a way to do that, the only way i know of is to prevent it is to enter the creation with a seat or just respawning the build

[errant dew]

ok thanks, it's a muti creation build making that nearly impossible or very inconvenient. Do you all know how to mod detects it? it might be similar as the game

Or how to know when the game is going to check for it?

[cinder spruce]

i guess you could try and set a timer when a build gets detached/spawned in, or when you last left the seat

the despawn timer is 15 minutes iirc

[errant dew]

ok thanks I will try that

[errant dew]

Is there a condition for it to despawn b/c I just tested it and I'm over 20min

They disappeared after about 25min.

[cinder spruce]

mightve changed with update im not too sure

[regal bear]

Found a nasty bug in Track Creator Plus so a new version has been uploaded:
#1404642052129423466 message

[scenic echo]

"Added subscribable alternative to OnKeyPressed and OnKeyReleased that returns ModPlayer and Key Name. request" does anyone have an example of this or knows how to use it?

[cinder spruce]

#1140936220487192587 message
right below it

[scenic echo]

thanks

[scenic echo]

is there a way to know when a player presses left mouse button?

[regal bear]

Not as far as I'm aware

[scenic echo]

how can i make this camera smoother?

[latent pine]

you can add some acceleration (or use a parameterised preset path that's already smooth)

[cinder spruce]

making a new missile mod

though it doesnt like like ill be able to keep the trails :(

[serene magnet]

Oh my god that looks peak

[cinder spruce]

sorry @radiant lion

[willow breach]

peak

[scenic echo]

how does tm.playerUI.RegisterMouseDownPositionCallback( playerId , updateUiPosition ) work?

[warm canopy]

https://trailmakers.ludixi.com/snippet/12

[stiff falcon]

can someone help me? im trying to get a blueprint file to spawn in game but its just not working

i have the blueprint files inside the mod folder but i think im doing the code wrong idk

[night meadow]

Damn, what is this?

[scenic echo]

some weird stuff is happening, if i go above 902 m and click on the ground it will say it's y 902

[scenic echo]

i think the raycast from tm.input.RegisterFunctionToKeyDownCallback doesn't ignore triggers

[scenic echo]

I have finished my top down camera with the ability to get coords mod
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3694882637

[oblique bone]

going to try making a missile mod myself :D

urs looks rly nice

[oblique bone]

lol

[willow breach]

The missile doesnt need to know where it is, when it is everywhere

[oblique bone]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-book-fire-wait-his-writing-is-fire-gif-3329144242020140517

[willow breach]

nearly got burnt there

[mint grove]

so umm how can i ad sugestions for the modding api in vscode

[cinder spruce]

1. get modder role (u have it)
2. submit a thread to #1123915629653667943

oh wait wdym vscode?

[mint grove]

yes😭😭😭

vs code

[scenic echo]

tell

[mint grove]

umm like you can get sugestions in vs code for example u write in python "in" and vs code willl complete your word with several options like "input"

i was wondering how to have these for tralmakers lua code

[mint grove]

eh?

[scenic echo]

also alvaroping might be a good person to talk with

[scenic echo]

alvaro literally has something like that for vs code

[mint grove]

lemme see first myself further cus he kinda intimidating