General modding chat

[formal crane]

But it might also have been an issue on my part - I went on a frenzy to do this as I was so annoyed by not knowing the various spawnables.. The process was just so intensely tedious

[shadow iris]

it seems like it has its collision still but the texture is gone

from my testing

[formal crane]

ah that could be

[shadow iris]

I couldnt get noco to work though

it seemed the same as the first one I think in 1.9.5

although that could have been trailedit's fault

[shadow iris]

is the team aware that quite a lot of pfbs have broken (in most cases shiny) textures? I'm sure you noticed kungfuflaglol is broken though lol

[regal bear]

The bush appears when viewed from a distance - lower lods (or mipmaps?) are visible.

[regal bear]

A new version of Track Creator Plus is now live on the Workshop. More details here:
#1242291936715608205 message

[warm canopy]

Updated, https://trailmakers.ludixi.com/info

Improved on the way it filters the modding functions, added ability to favourite functions, added dark-mode for the cave dwellers

[scenic echo]

how can i change the rotation of a custom object?

[radiant lion]

.GetTransform().SetRotation(Rot)

[scenic echo]

ohh no, does it have to be a tick after it was spawned? (these custom objects are my weakness)

[scenic echo]

i tried this and it did nothing

[near parcel]

If you want to set it as it spawns, just specify it in the spawn call

[radiant lion]

No

[scenic echo]

by spawn call you mean in the function? like in here tm.physics.SpawnCustomObjectRigidbody(position, meshName, textureName, isKinematic, mass)?

[near parcel]

sorry, i misremembered that function having a field for the rotation

[formal crane]

No, you should be able to do it the line right after. Maybe share the code?

[scenic echo]

function SpawnBullet(block, playerId)
local PosOld = BlockPosOld[block]
local Pos = block.GetPosition()
local Rot = block.forward()
local Rotz = math.atan2(Rot.x, Rot.z)
local Rotx = math.atan2(Rot.y, math.sqrt(Rot.x^2+Rot.z^2))

local sinz =  math.sin(math.pi/2-Rotz) * math.sin(math.pi/2-Rotx)
local cosx =  math.cos(math.pi/2-Rotz) * math.sin(math.pi/2-Rotx)
local cosy =  math.cos(math.pi/2-Rotx)

local PosOld1 = tm.vector3.Create(PosOld.x + cosx*4, PosOld.y + cosy*4, PosOld.z + sinz*4)
local Pos1 = tm.vector3.Create(Pos.x + cosx*4, Pos.y + cosy*4, Pos.z + sinz*4)

local Vel = tm.vector3.Create((Pos1.x-PosOld1.x)*Tickrate,(Pos1.y-PosOld1.y)*Tickrate,(Pos1.z-PosOld1.z)*Tickrate)

local Bullet = tm.physics.SpawnCustomObjectRigidbody(tm.vector3.Create(Pos.x + cosx*4, Pos.y + cosy*4, Pos.z + sinz*4), "bullet", "roadtex", false, 1)
Bullet.AddForceVelocityChange(Vel.x+cosx*PlayerDataTable[playerId].BulletSpeed, Vel.y+cosy*PlayerDataTable[playerId].BulletSpeed, Vel.z+sinz*PlayerDataTable[playerId].BulletSpeed)
Bullet.SetIsTrigger(true)
Bullet.GetTransform().SetRotation(Rot)
table.insert(Bullets,Bullet)

end

this is the function that spawn the bullets

it gets the rotation from a block with .forward() on first four lines

and then does Bullet.GetTransform().SetRotation(Rot) and the rotation of the bullet does not change

the last 5 lines spawn the bullet

[scenic echo]

i have a bit of a issue with the ui, it disappears when i respawn or backspace and when i press esc it comes back

I deleted one line of text and now it flickers

[regal bear]

I think .forward just gives you a vector3 direction not a vector3 rotation. Maybe you could just get the rotation of the structure instead?

[scenic echo]

can you get the structure from the block?

[regal bear]

For the UI check all the places you've got the function tm.playerUI.ClearUI(playerId). It looked like each time you repaired it refreshed the UI but changed what parts should be visible.

[regal bear]

Didn't you get the block by first first finding the structure it was in?

[scenic echo]

this is my ui

[scenic echo]

yeah but i put it in a table and then i use the value from the table

[regal bear]

OK. I don't know if you can get the block's structure that way (others may know if it's possible) but you can get structure attached to the seat that the player is currently in if that helps.

local plrSeat = tm.players.GetPlayerSeatBlock(playerId)
local plrStructure = plrSeat.GetStructure()

[scenic echo]

i'm just going to use a ball for the thing i have so i don't need to rotate it

[regal bear]

or do that 🙂

a ball is a good idea

[scenic echo]

the ui is the thing i just don't understand, all the ui stuff i have is in the photo i sent and it does wierd stuff

[regal bear]

Are you sure a keybind isn't interfering?

[scenic echo]

yeah

if i press backspace for a second it doesn't do it

it's when i respawn

[regal bear]

Well something is running the function that you have your UI elements in everytime you repair

[scenic echo]

checked again and it's only called once per tick in the update() function

[regal bear]

Why are you calling the UI everry tick?

that will make it flicker every tick

[scenic echo]

don't buttons have to be ran every tick?

[regal bear]

nope

when they are clicked they run the function you've given them

[near parcel]

All events use callbacks

[scenic echo]

then i'm gonna doing it only when it needs to update

[regal bear]

Also you can update the value of each UI element without refreshing the UI

tm.playerUI.SetUIValue(playerId, id, value)

[scenic echo]

this is cool

[regal bear]

Yep it sure is. My racing UI makes extensive use of it. You can update subtle message values too which is also cool.

[shadow iris]

iirc you cant change icon tho? what about header too

[radiant lion]

I doubt you can change icon, since it has to be given when when sending the subtle message and the update value function only works with strings

So no, no bad apple in the subtle messages

[serene magnet]

so is it just me or is SetHealth broken

[regal bear]

it's broken

[shadow iris]

but what about sending multiple subtle messages that are each the length of a frame or something like that

[regal bear]

You could but because new messages slide in from the screen edge and old ones take time to slide away it would not be a smooth animation.

[scenic echo]

if you use three settings to set health that works most of the time, I'm wondering if you can only set the health in build mode

[regal bear]

Yes the header can be updated too

[granite hill]

Where do I find the names of blocks? Like specifically the minigun?

[warm canopy]

Use block editor mod in Trailmakers, it’ll give you the block id when you select the block in build mode

[serene magnet]

Just wanted to pop in and ask if you could set the gravity of a player and their creation separately from everyone else

So like one player has normal gravity and another has zero gravity

[near parcel]

Only if you manually simulate gravity by adding forces

[serene magnet]

are you able to use os.time() in tm?

[cinder spruce]

dont believe you can
but i think theres something similar in the api
tm.os.GetTime()

[serene magnet]

yeah i just need to use os.time with coroutines to create a wait function

update: yes. you can use os.time im just stupid

[regal bear]

I've uploaded a new map to the workshop called Asphalt Valley. Check it out 🏁
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3438907666

[serene magnet]

Also I should just announce that I'm working on an extensible mario kart framework. (If possible) it will allow map builders to add my custom objects to their tracks and my mod will handle all the heavy lifting of making them functional

Building it to work with trailmappers (sorry Lua map makers)

[regal bear]

Trailio Kart perhaps? 😛

[dapper jay]

did 2.0 add any modding functionality? for example, enabling fuel consumption?

[cinder spruce]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1279044523086970911

[dapper jay]

one can dream...

[warm canopy]

Nothing in terms of modding in 2.0, Thats not to say we won't get any additions in later patches

[radiant lion]

One can only hope

[hoary skiff]

when we finally get good ui for mods I'm making it work with TSX

[ionic jacinth]

Well, it is certainly possible to make a fuel system, by using the keyboard input system. However this is a workaround, and ideally we modders should be given tools to allow us to view the logic states of blocks!

[warm canopy]

TSX?

[radiant lion]

Interacting with logics is honestly one of the things I wish for the most

Less after 1.9, but still enough

[regal bear]

I notice we've lost some sound FX in the update. Not sure if it's intentional or not.

[median cobalt]

So with the addition of transfering damage between transforms , does this confirm the devs have found out a way to properly handle saving damage data

And if so, does this open the portal for a gun capable of undoing damage from a damaged creation

[nova salmon]

Is there any 1x1 rotating servo mod? Or is that even possible with the current modding tools?

[near parcel]

it's not possible

[regal bear]

I've created list of broken audio prefabs so please post there if you find any not listed:
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1348118768395485204

[dusty umbra]

Thanks, it has been logged

[serene magnet]

i am going slowly insane. i just need to texture it and i should have this map ready for TM

[serene magnet]

its a new race course im working on called Neoterra City

[serene magnet]

A drive through of my progress on Neoterra

still have to do texturing and fix some holes in my geometry

[serene magnet]

it takes almost a minute to load... and thats with models and textures cached...

are we able to create custom light sources through the api?

[regal bear]

That looks incredible! Wow!

[regal bear]

Nope. Have to use prefabs like salvage, power core crate, lava, etc.

[serene magnet]

my texture designer is going off. this is the uphill tunnel

[shadow iris]

you can mix existing lights though in different ratios, e.g. power core crate + flamethrower

[scenic echo]

This track looks fun to drive with high speed cars ~260kph

[serene magnet]

problem

[scenic echo]

Didn't see the jump x_x

[serene magnet]

yeah the corners are also tight

the stuff is meant more for smaller kart league stuff

i could simply scale up the models to make them work for larger vehicles

[thorny sparrow]

Wipeout vibes. Looks awesome!

[radiant lion]

No way, Lego drome racers in tm (stile is surprisingly similar)

[serene magnet]

lemme see if i can get a full run in a faster vehicle

2 Laps on the course done in The AMT Sakura

my drivings not the best but its good enough to show high speed on the current course

(BG music is People by Half Alive)

gonna be making a version for karting with boost pads on the arrows and item boxes on the X's

[regal bear]

Yeah that is just so cool 🙂

[serene magnet]

trying to figure out lighting for the tunnels rn

i found exactly what i need. now to find how to get it

[shadow iris]

you cant use any object in the game; you can only properly use existing prefabs if you want to use official assets

[serene magnet]

Yeah I figured that out... I'm now gonna go cry

That single asset is perfect for what I need and it's not prefab but I can acquire a ton of plants instead

[radiant lion]

Yeah, especially these latest updates that haven't been adding too many of the used stuff
Edit: tho of the space map we got almost everything

Also the lamps might be part of the space station itself

[serene magnet]

I'm also realizing how much I need transparency and opacity for my ideas. Holograms? Nah, they look bad being solid. Light beams? Nah, they look bad being solid. 2d trees on the side of the road to help rendering? Nah, have to have a black background

[regal bear]

I've used this pipe for tunnel lights before

[serene magnet]

Yeah that's what I was thinking for the side lights

[serene magnet]

Hello modding gods, I am here today to ask if Lua has a require/import function and if so does it still work in the thing that is trailmakers lua

Like how in python you can take functions and classes from other files

[near parcel]

tm.os.DoFile(filename) executes a given file as a module. Anything declared local at the top level of that file will be private to it (can ony be accessed from that file, not declaring things as local is not recommended). You can add a return statement to the top level of the module to return anything you want to be public (typically a table of elements), which will be returned by the tm.os.DoFile() call

[regal bear]

What are the drawbacks with not declaring variables as local, and if I make them local how best to make them available across multiple separate scripts? I ask because I've used dofile but made many variables non-local so that both scripts could access them. I still have a lot to learn about this stuff 🙂

[near parcel]

you will get very unorganized code that's very difficult to reason about (specially as the code size grows), since you will have to always keep in mind how any other part of the code could mess with each component. You also can run into name collisions unintentionally, causing all sort of seemingly weird errors. The better way to do things is to return a table of values which form the public API of the module, and make everything else local. That way other parts of the code can only interact with the module through that API, allowing it to control what can and can't be done to the module. A good rule of thumb is to keep everything local unless you have a good reason to make it part of the module's public API

[dry sentinel]

Locals are also faster to access than global variables, as moonsharp stores tables internally as linked lists

Locals are just stored as an index in an array (vector?) for the scope

[regal bear]

Thanks I'll see if I can figure that out

[median cobalt]

hang on, is this a portover from a BallisticNG map? did you get allowance from Vonsnake for these?

I do not see you on his server, i dont know if this map would be considerable as allowed on the workshop, but i can ask vonsnake

[median cobalt]

Yea hold on this is just Dover, exported from the track editor

This isnt your own track, be responsible and give credits to vonsnake at minimum

[errant dew]

Hello this is a controversial question, but I know that the EULA prohibits modding outside the API for good reason. I want to do modding that can’t be achieved using the API. if I use it ONLY in single player and I don't use it for leader bord manipulation ext. also if I do this then I won’t upload it online what is the rules on that? if you say I can’t then I won’t. I want to make a mod to make logic gates more efficient and make a performance mod of sorts.

[shadow iris]

very probably not allowed but somebody else who's more sure will probably answer soon

[near parcel]

^ and even ignoring the EULA, it's extremely unlikely you would be able to improve performance in any significant way

[wispy crescent]

Unlike Minecraft the devs actually optimize their own game, Mojang should take notes

[serene magnet]

what the heck is a GetStackableBox call? my autocomplete keeps trying to get me to use it same with a vector2 instead of a vector3

[wet grail]

is it possible to add new blocks with mods?

[near parcel]

not in any good way

[scenic echo]

There is custom blocks pack by Noiro which has it's own builder separated from the in game one. But besides making a completely new builder, which isn't great or easy, there are no ways to add custom blocks.

[wet grail]

they should add this function

[scenic echo]

Yeah, this would be incredible

[wispy crescent]

Considering how complicated adding that feature would be I’d expect to see a built in level editor first and we’ve already been told not to hold our breath’s for something like that…

[median cobalt]

Still waiting for ui mod support so we can begin making gamemodes

Maybe with that editor itll bring a bit of stuff

Funnily enough the gamemode part itself is not difficult to make - the ui just wouldn't allow you to do much

[paper bone]

You can make a custom model and create a camera for the player who opend the UI in front of this model.
Downsides:

• No simple way to display Text either all Hardcoded in your models or you make your own "Font" alphabet of models which you need to painly assemble.
• to use the cursor on this UI the player first needs to press F4 by themselves
• probaply more Issues which i cant think of rn

It would certainly be great if we could force the players cursor to be unlocked with the api.
(And hide it again)

[cinder spruce]

if you want to overlay UI on normal gameplay:

• no easy way to do it well really
• if a player is in a fast vehicle it can look jittery if it is following them
• other players are able to see the models

[median cobalt]

This part is what im referencing

id love to introduce a whole custom ui with trailmakers ui assets to just make a neat little KOTH or Conquer Territory type gamemode

im fairely sure once we have 2.5 or 2.6 we might have a sneak peak into that stuff

im also fairely sure that then we also get the ability to maybe get better object support (meshes that dont implode after 2048 or a total of 32462 vertecies)

[ionic jacinth]

I had put a post in vote-modding-features asking for the toggling of the cursor to be controllable via the API. But who knows how-long or even if this feature will be added... 🥲

[shadow iris]

its after 32767 verts not 32462 verts

[median cobalt]

it breaks before the short limit

[shadow iris]

how so

[median cobalt]

weird extra metadata seems to be added onto it

i have no idea what they use for 3d model imports from unity

[shadow iris]

whatever it is, its optimization is comparable to the optimization of most UE5 games

[wet grail]

Is it possible to make custom race tracks on custom maps?

With checkpoints and stuff

[paper bone]

yes

[shadow iris]

yeah using track creator plus by krunch

[wet grail]

I meant forever, like if someone downloads the map from the workshop, he'll have that race track!

[near parcel]

you can make a mod for it

[shadow iris]

tcp x trailmappers crossover when

[wet grail]

I don't know how :\

[serene magnet]

wait. is that why my meshes keep imploding?

im currently on crash 286

[serene magnet]

I FUCKING GOT IT. ALL 96 BASEPLATE MESHES

all it took was 342 crashes

[wet grail]

Why does your map crash?

Is it big or smth?

[serene magnet]

need to update my textures to fit the new theme of the map but heres a 32 tile base test with the Foliage Meshes loaded

well part of it because the replay didnt save all of it and i dont wanna open OBS rn

[regal bear]

It's worth giving modding a try. You might find you can master a few tricks in lua. Creating checkpoints in the lua code isn't too hard and you can look at mods like mine to see how it can be done.

Alternatively you can place checkpoints using Track Creator Plus on an existing track very easily and then save them to a file. You could even include that file in the map with instructions on how to move it to the right place for loading.

[serene magnet]

So if I simply load 5 meshes at a time by having the player click a button to manually load them whenever their pc catches up the game doesn't die. Let's go

That being said just the third of the map I have in game would cause a potato pc to spontaneously combust

[shadow iris]

i might have just figured out how to do some vague form of subsurface scattering looking stuff, hang on

maybe not

yeah probably not

[regal bear]

I think Jess and Rid (maybe others too?) created staged loading for their mods a while a back. It might be in the Trailmappers loader too. You might find you can implement that, saving the user having to click too many buttons.

[serene magnet]

The trailmappers loader causes the game to crash. I'm working on an autoloader but it's a delicate balance. The manual loader allows the user to load things slower to save the game from imploding

The problem with the autoloader is it doesn't care if the game is overloaded. It will continue to try and load more models

[regal bear]

Can you check the delta time and make the loading wait until the game is running faster again?

[serene magnet]

I could try

I have around 500 total assets I need to load though so I gotta be incredibly careful

Think I'm gonna be closer to 580-600 by the time I'm fully done

[dry sentinel]

Here's a really old file I have:

Change the i % 25 to change amount loaded, also may need to make changes, no clue what's new with modding api

[topaz arrow]

how do i change the steam workshop thumbnail of a mod?

[shadow iris]

i don't think you can do so easily

unless you can do wizard tricks with steam console that i dont know

[topaz arrow]

unfortunate, wish that was added somehow, seems like a rather useful thing to be able to do (unless there is an easy way that i somehow missed)

[radiant lion]

Isn't it done by just putting the png in the mod folder called Preview.png or something and it gets done automatically?

Or is there another kind of thumbnail that I'm forgetting about

[shadow iris]

that only works for the first time you upload the mod i believe
after that the steam workshop thumbnail is never updated

[shadow iris]

2023 is "really old" ? 😭

[near parcel]

pretty sure replacing the file works

[radiant lion]

^ I think so too, pretty sure I changed mines a few times

Yep, my gravity mod definitely changed thumbnail

[topaz arrow]

Huh, will have to try that tomorrow

[serene magnet]

Yes. It is Preview.png. just adding a file named that works

[dry sentinel]

Pre-programming comments me was interesting

[serene magnet]

I mean. You don't need comments if you write good code

[radiant lion]

You don't need comments if you abandon your code

||I mean: comments are good, sorry obojętnie||

[serene magnet]

True

And comments are great but the best way is to have readable code. Just name your functions and variables in a way that you know what they do

[radiant lion]

Splitting the code into file is also something that can help quite a bit

[serene magnet]

Basically to say don't name your variable x

[serene magnet]

Very true

If you can write modules and call them from a main script that works great

[cinder spruce]

just
don’t abbreviate anything tbh,
you don’t need to shorten everything rlly

[serene magnet]

Exactly

Name your variable AdvertisementSpawningProgressCounter

Its long but you know exactly what it does

[radiant lion]

But... Long to type

PPointing is the best i can offer

(i don't remember what the p stands for)

Point possibly

[serene magnet]

Yeah. The long to type kinda sucks and there are better ways to do it but that's the basics of readable code

[warm canopy]

PPointing function is legendary, I still find myself using it

[radiant lion]

Yeah, the file with all those useful functions is probably the best thing in my mods folder

TargetRot my beloved (I pretty much know them all by heart now)

[shadow iris]

and then there's math

[regal bear]

"rlly" << I see what you did there 😛

[neon ice]

C h i c k e n f i n g e r s

[dapper jay]

chicken jockey

[serene magnet]

mmmm. i finally have a single piece of the new map done. im going to bed

[paper bone]

i made a Mod which sprinkles selected Prefabs onto a map and exports it into Trailmappers format

cant upload it rn but i will try to later today.
its still pretty limited and there are many qol features i have yet to add

[scenic echo]

this is a great while we wait for ridicolas to come back and add it to trailmappers

[paper bone]

any reason why it just ignores the decimal point?
and how could i fix this?

local objectDataPath = "objectTable.json"
local objectTable = json.parse(tm.os.ReadAllText_Static(objectDataPath))

local object = objectTable[math.random(1, #objectTable)]

local spawnedObject = tm.physics.SpawnObject(spawnPos + tm.vector3.Create(object.offset), object.name)
        spawnedObject.GetTransform().SetRotation(spawnRot)
        spawnedObject.GetTransform().SetScale(tm.vector3.Create(object.size))

[dapper jay]

maybe its only uniformly scalable?

[dry sentinel]

Are you passing in a vec3 for rot?

[near parcel]

if you want to create a vector from a string, you are missing the parenthesis

[dapper jay]

oh lol

[paper bone]

Where would those need to be?

[cinder spruce]

in the string i assume
basically change
“offset”: “0, 0, 0”
to
“offset”: “(0, 0, 0)”

[paper bone]

ok imma try that

sadly not. it doesn't change anything

[paper bone]

Any other ideas?

[scenic echo]

You could do something like having the values multiplied by 100 and then in the code they get devided by 100

Maybe that works but its janky

[regal bear]

Don't know why it's not working for you. I don't do it that way. In my saved files I separate out the vector3 values. When I read the file back in I use the tonumber() function on each value as I recombine them into a new vector3.

[paper bone]

Yeah i guess seperating them should most likely work better, will probaply do that then

[scenic echo]

can distance sensors detect custom objects set as trigger?

[solar mica]

does anyone know something that emits proper light in trailmappers? or is it possible to make a custom model that emits light?

[regal bear]

No idea. Good question.

[shadow iris]

take this with a grain of salt but i don't think they can?

[regal bear]

The salvage prefabs emit a yellow light (I use "PFB_SalvageItem_Timed" as it has just a non-collideable light cone that can look nice)

The Powercre Crate emits a blueish light

[shadow iris]

i usually use extremely small flamethrowers and sometimes mix it with powercore crate for a cooler (literally) light

[regal bear]

The lava prefabs emit orange/red light

[shadow iris]

but i will try that salvage timed trick

[shadow iris]

very strong light yeah

btw the lava light scales with the prefab i think

which is unique to it

[regal bear]

I find all the lights tend to LOD out fairly early too, so you have to get quite close to see them emit.

[shadow iris]

idk why but the yellow flashing arrow sign has early LOD

i used a scaled physics cone as a back cover for it

[regal bear]

yes annoying

nice

[shadow iris]

apparently some of the small desert rocks (small desert rough/smooth in tmmm i think?) also disappear at distance for some reason

[regal bear]

That makes sense though - they are small

[shadow iris]

but i realized flashbulb uses desert pointy lumpy for the rocks along the bottom of cliffs (e.g. by the tunnel on treasure island)

and actually uses pointy lumpy along the sides of cliffs too

strangely flashbulb use desert tall lumpy extremely rarely if at all

[shadow iris]

i swear that didnt happen before though

[solar mica]

thanks

[median cobalt]

gonna put this here, theres a mesh splitter for 2.79 i might be testing out later to see how far i can push loading alot of smaller segments of a map to make something look proper

https://blenderartists.org/t/two-mesh-split-scripts/681810/6

this splits meshes by 3000 polys so it might need to be changed to 2000

[serene magnet]

I have a script that I use for mine that splits my meshes into 500 polygons each but it have to change parameters by hand each time so it's probably not great

[scenic echo]

i tried to color distance sensors with custom colors but it seems like they have the same issue as thrusters =(

[topaz arrow]

try a different color that you set?

maybe that will work

[scenic echo]

with in game colors it's fine but with custom colors it does not work, i tried multiple times

[topaz arrow]

i mean instead of using R, use G or B. or instead of secondary, use primary or sth

cuz the vast majority of CMM experimental works

[scenic echo]

distance sensors only

[scenic echo]

only on distance sensors i've found this, and i tried all r, g, b values

like how it's bugged for thrusters

[topaz arrow]

so its different with different blocks 😭
wth is the bug?

[scenic echo]

from what i know and experimented rocket thruster, space thruster and distance sensor have this issue, it may be all thrusters but i havent tested all

[scenic echo]

So all thrusters and all logic blocks cannot be given custom colors with mods but can be given in game build mode colors with mods

[topaz arrow]

thats some truly weird stuff. i sure hope when/if they fix it, they will tell us what caused that behavior

[median cobalt]

Do you mean the coordinates?

You could "apply all transforms" in blender to center the origin to 0 0 0

[serene magnet]

hmm

i could try that

i havent been splitting my most recent stuff because its low poly but i might need to

[paper bone]

any idea why the function configure Object does not know what my key value is?

--UI creation:
for key, object in pairs(objectTable) do
        tm.playerUI.AddUIButton(playerId, "btn"..object.name, object.name, configureObject, key)
    end```

```lua
function configureObject(callbackData)
    tm.os.Log("Configuring object: "..callbackData.key)
end

cannot access field key of userdata<Trailmakers.Mods.Api.ModApiPlayerUI+UICallbackData>

i had to use CallbackData.value and not CallbackData.key
silly me

oh actually it is .data to get the index and not the text

[regal bear]

Yep I've done plenty of 'oopsies' like that too 🙂

[serene magnet]

Quick question: is there any way to change the grip of a model? I wanna make a snowy map but wanna make it be more slidey than normal custom models

Either the grip of the model or just the grip of tires overall

[cinder spruce]

on custom models no
but if you want, snow prefabs do actually have snow surface on them, so you can try and place them on your model and just make them invisible

[shadow iris]

red large mushroom prefabs also have grass surface

and the airborne grassy islands have grass too

[serene magnet]

Sick

I can try that

[paper bone]

~~i guess the Raycasts really dont like the Trailmakers terrain ~~
easy fix apperently there are some kind of triggerboxes there

exports nicely,
all thats missing now are instructions and then i will release it

[scenic echo]

DOes anyone know all of the rgb values of the colors in buildmode?

[paper bone]

I think you could just use a color picker, iirc the color picker from gimp can pick colors from anywhere on your screen

[scenic echo]

i'm just gonna quickly make a mod to get them instead

[topaz arrow]

Ye, and the game may put a filter the screen, so i wouldnt trust gimp for that

[scenic echo]

i seem to already have a mod that gets the colors

[serene magnet]

i very much would love this code right about now LOL. i gotta build a forest

[paper bone]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1357312069824938114

[serene magnet]

damm

[paper bone]

lol

[serene magnet]

less excitement

lets gooo

you are a fuckin lifesaver

all i gotta do is replace it with my models and clean up the roads

you have genuinely saved me hours of work

[paper bone]

:D im happy it already has been usefull for somebody

it currently only supports prefabs but i guess it should be possible to change it to also support custom models, but that will have to wait

[serene magnet]

i was just gonna edit the data myself since its in trailmappers format

[paper bone]

Fair, btw it always exports with a data footer that includes things like Trailmappers Camera position and things like that, keep in mind that you will have to remove that when merging the files

[serene magnet]

Yep

[paper bone]

does anyone know where downloaded mods save their dynamic data? it isnt near the lua file so i was wondering

ah found it
#modding-archive message

[paper bone]

lovely display of the great Modding UI

[serene magnet]

yeah. i run into limitations pretty much every single day

ill add another soul to my list of offers to the devs if we can just get transparency for textures

like i can just make all my models formed to my textures to eliminate transparency but that adds so many extra triangles that it hurts performance

and god knows performance already hates me enough

[topaz arrow]

if only we could rescale the window...

or even just get the lines of text closer

[shadow iris]

seems like barrels not despawning was fixed sometime after 1.9.5!!

[regal bear]

Wait what? Really?

[shadow iris]

yeah it was working for me with trailmappers map

[regal bear]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-4424327859207003508

[regal bear]

Repair Restrictor Mod is now updated. Here's the new topic/thread for discussion and feedback: https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1358589856992858428

[regal bear]

Not working for me. I used my test mod to spawn some barrels. I then deleted them all but they instantly respawned.

[shadow iris]

weird. works for me when I export a map while it's active and when I disable the mod. maybe it's half fixed?

[shadow iris]

@regal bear mod idea: inactivity kick - kick inactive players after x minutes

or maybe despawn their builds

[shadow iris]

i forgot if disabling repairing was per-player or not

[regal bear]

OK - nice idea

Yeah disabling repair is per player

[shadow iris]

maybe could do a mod where players are only allowed to repair under a certain speed (remove in-motion repairing effectively)

[regal bear]

Funny I thought of that exact thing the other day when updating Repair Restrictor 🙂

[shadow iris]

i think that idea as a standalone mod would do very well

as it also prevents in-motion repairing during dogfights- which a lot of people dislike

[regal bear]

I've had code that detects a repair operation but only the standing still one. Can't detect moving repairs or transforms.

[regal bear]

You can give it a go if you want

[shadow iris]

or transforms
wouldn't it be possible to detect significant change in blocks that the structure is, without builder opening?

[regal bear]

But preventing them is easier

[shadow iris]

my lua skills are as follows:

• defining local variables
• calling functions (sometimes)

[regal bear]

That's what I do in Repair Restrictor. I detect 'damage' rather than repairs themselves.

So if the health of the structure suddenly goes up compared to a recent baseline I call it a repair and it gets counted. I also check changes in the number of structures as that indicates certain things too.

[shadow iris]

idk maybe ill try it

surely its not that hard to get velocity

[regal bear]

easy

[shadow iris]

actually probably the hardest part for me would be getting velocity, from there it would be mod thumbnail

[regal bear]

--- Gets the velocity of the player inside of the structure.
--- @return ModVector3
function ModStructure.GetVelocity() end

--- Gets the speed of the player inside of the structure (m/s).
--- @return number
function ModStructure.GetSpeed() end

[shadow iris]

💀

[regal bear]

so check if player is in seat (tm.players.IsPlayerInSeat(playerId)))
if so check if velocity is above a threshold
if so prevent repairs
if not allow repairs

Feel free to look at and use any code in my mods

[shadow iris]

literally selecting the structure my nemesis

and i am amazed that not of your mods ever mentions modstructure

NOIRO IS GOATED

STOLE HIS METHOD FROM ONE OF HIS MODS

WORKED

[regal bear]

I usually do this: tm.players.GetPlayerSeatBlock(playerId).GetStructure()

[shadow iris]

yeah thats what noiro used lol

[regal bear]

lol you missed it in my code then

[shadow iris]

i was searching for ModStructure xdd

[regal bear]

fair enuf

[shadow iris]

probably good enough. works in multiplayer on the first attempt

and as i expected the mod thumbnail is the hardest part lol

[regal bear]

I'd suggest making an Activate/Deactivate button

[shadow iris]

just turn the mod on/off lol

already exists in the game, might as well use it

[regal bear]

Annoying for the host

[shadow iris]

booo

[regal bear]

Also allows host to send a message to all players when it's activated or deactivated

[shadow iris]

the host can do that themselves

[regal bear]

up to you

[shadow iris]

i can probably code that myself just fine but i dont think i really need to

if i were to add that it would probably be a ctrl+ bind

and then a global subtle text probably

[regal bear]

Also this might interfere with other mods that set repair enabled or disabled becuase you are doiing it constantly. You could first check and store the status of RepairEnabled.

[shadow iris]

hmm

might want to antialias the outline lol

some speedlines too

[regal bear]

Maybe a big X over the spanner?

[shadow iris]

seems good to me though

[regal bear]

Yep looks good. Just thought that you wanted to show that it's blocking moving repairs.

[shadow iris]

oh my god the thumbnail upload bug strikes again

time to fight the workshop for 3 hours trying to get it to upload the thumbnail

oh i swear to god if its because i need to update steam..

[regal bear]

Never had that bug. What happened?

[shadow iris]

despite having a valid icon.png in the mod folder, it is not uploaded to the workshop (displays as full white ingame, gray placeholder thumbnail on steam)

and guess what updating did

[regal bear]

dang

[shadow iris]

am i really the only one with this issue

can you try uploading a mod right now?

[regal bear]

The file is named correctly?

[shadow iris]

which file? the thumbnail png? yeah its named correctly im 99% sure

[regal bear]

Preview.png?

[shadow iris]

dude i swear if its actually called Preview.png im going

FUCK

[regal bear]

lol

[shadow iris]

I FORGOT FROM LAST TIME LOL

[regal bear]

Shouldn't the mod be called "No Moving Repairs"?

[shadow iris]

repair tokens are what are used for moving repairs

and also DAMNNN Preview.png BETRAYED me

[regal bear]

Maybe give it time

[shadow iris]

and the mod description says it very straightforwardly

[shadow iris]

giving it time broke it more

[regal bear]

What dimensions and file size is the preview file?

[shadow iris]

98x98, 1.62kb

it broke even with dethrone patches' icon, it is not an issue with the preview image

[regal bear]

🤷‍♂️

The mod was showing up on Steam but now it isn't

[shadow iris]

because i have reuploaded it just a couple of times

did it show the default gray thumbnail or the actual one?

[regal bear]

It was the default grey

[shadow iris]

yeah its not working on steam either

[shadow iris]

its working now, although idk if that was because i put the full directory (starting from c:\)

[regal bear]

I've never had to put the full path

You could have made the preview a bit bigger 🙂

[shadow iris]

oh if its smaller than some value steam doesn't scale it...

it gets scaled in game though

[regal bear]

yup

[shadow iris]

I LOVE STEAM

i made it 128x128 ill see how that goes

[regal bear]

I think you should mention in the description that this mod will prevent other mods from blocking repairs

[shadow iris]

man close enough right

[shadow iris]

i will mention it will be highly incompatible with mods that allow/disallow repairing

there you go lol

oh i should put a grid behind it because its a bit flat rn

[regal bear]

~~BTW this mod already does what your mod does:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3192802639&searchtext=repair~~

[shadow iris]

no? it entirely disables repairing right?

thats what i got out of the mod description

[regal bear]

Ah yes true. I thought the mod's second button was for moving repair but it's blocking build mode.

[shadow iris]

new challenge: figure out keydowncallback

(and also not detect while chat is open)

[shadow iris]

does RegisterFunctionToKeyUpCallback usually trigger multiple (sometimes MANY) times? or did i mess up my setup

fixed it. it was because i had it inside of update()

[regal bear]

Just about to ask that 🙂

[shadow iris]

you were about to ask that? lol

[regal bear]

Yes was just about to ask if you were running it in update 😉

[scenic echo]

You just reminded me that i have to update my mods to work with the new transform in 2.0

[shadow iris]

cheers

[shadow iris]

how do i store information from the previous update?

[regal bear]

Variables and/or tables

[shadow iris]

no like, in what order does everything go

[scenic echo]

Like store the old position of a plyer?

[regal bear]

Update runs every mod tick from top to bottom

[shadow iris]

store the old IsPlayerInSeat

[regal bear]

You can set variables per player in a player data table

[scenic echo]

In the function that gets called when a player joins you can do
PlayerDataTable[playerId]={
OldIsPlayerInSeat = false
}

And then to store the value you just do PlayerDataTable[playerId].OldIsPlayerInSeat=value

That's how i do it

[regal bear]

Yep. And make sure to actually call the OnPlayerJoined function.

[shadow iris]

im able to detect entering/leaving a seat, i think

i wont need to detect entering a seat but its cool i guess

[shadow iris]

plot twist, detecting entering a seat was actually just detecting when i pressed F

[regal bear]

So you're not just checking IsPlayerInSeat?

[shadow iris]

yall im cooking

[shadow iris]

nah if i did that, it would constantly trigger when youre in a seat

detecting entering a seat = one trigger when you actually go into a seat

btw it is correctly detecting when you get ejected from a seat :D im gonna test rollovers now

IT WORKS FOR ROLLOVERS TOO

[regal bear]

cool

[shadow iris]

im goated, it works

aw man i die when i leave a seat intentionally

[regal bear]

All it does is set true or false

[shadow iris]

but that would trigger a true/false check multiple times? my method was attempting to make entering a seat trigger once

[regal bear]

It doesn't really matter. There are ways to make it only check under certain circumstances. I do seat checks a fair bit in my mods.

[near parcel]

You could have checked when the variable changed value (by storing its previous value as well and comparing them)

[median cobalt]

Not sure if this helps but it might be that it returns userdata on trigger for every player, you might need to make a basic event filter

if it doesnt return userdata then it might be that it reruns on ANY keypress regardless of id

[scenic echo]

It does return user data or at least playerId

[eternal monolith]

Just to confirm: I don't see any functions for changing the power of pistons, so I am assuming that is not possible correct?

[near parcel]

Pistons don't have power

[shadow iris]

i have fulfilled what i initially planned for sensitive seats; i might try over deceleration/acceleration death too

[eternal monolith]

Power being defined as the ability to perform work over time, speed equates to power in this case

[shadow iris]

apparently you die when leaving a seat in multiplayer; idfk why

[shadow iris]

i think i got it working again

[shadow iris]

i can now detect when players de/accelerate at a certain amount

[wispy crescent]

What he means is pistons don’t have a power variable in the games code that the modding api has access to like thrusters do. You cannot change piston behavior with the current modding api

[shadow iris]

ive set it up to only detect deceleration, mod is functionally done except for configuration

[shadow iris]

the subtle message is shown but the player is not killed? the other use of KillPlayer works just fine though

[paper bone]

Is the other time you used KillPlayer, the player also in a seat?

[shadow iris]

i figured that out

it was because i was giving it player.playerId instead of playerId

although i think its stopped working again ?

[shadow iris]

only happens in multiplayer hmm

how can i detect when a player respawns?

[eternal monolith]

You may be able to track their position and see when it changes. Also their velocity probably gets set to zero so those two things combined might be a good indicator 🤷‍♀️

[shadow iris]

does it matter whether its speed or velocity im checking for?

[eternal monolith]

My mind initially went to velocity because you want to make sure the position change doesn't make sense when you take the player's velocity into account, that's when I realized that velocity probably also changes and I kinda mixed those two sentences into one

[shadow iris]

alright i might have fixed randomly dying on respawn with a really really dumb fix

but i don't know why deceleration death doesnt work

[eternal monolith]

Progress! 😄

[shadow iris]

do you have a clue why this doesnt kill the player? the subtle message IS sent

[eternal monolith]

60 kph in one frame seems intense, are you getting that kind of acceleration values?

[shadow iris]

acceleration? im checking DEceleration- slowing down

and when i test ingame 60kph minimum seems pretty good

[eternal monolith]

Sorry, I'm a physicist at heart so I call everything acceleration

Huh, very odd that it is not working

[shadow iris]

ikr?

oh yk what, im gonna move the DecelerationDeath function above the update one

didn't work

[eternal monolith]

bleh

The only thing I can think of is if somehow the playerId being passed into the function is not right, or has somehow changed since it was saved

[shadow iris]

odd, everything else that uses playerId works just fine i think

[eternal monolith]

oh right, the UI elements, yeah those shouldn't work if my theory was true. blehx2

[shadow iris]

i made the subtle message display the playerId, and it IS 0, which is my playerId

[eternal monolith]

Have you printed out tm.players.CanKillPlayer(playerId)?

[shadow iris]

what would that do?

oh do you mean its return value? iirc its always nil

[eternal monolith]

It would display false if there is something stopping you from killing the player. It should be true, but, I'm grasping at straws right now

[shadow iris]

i'll try it anyway

[eternal monolith]

That's weird! Mine says it returns a boolean 😮

[shadow iris]

IF player CAN be killed... odd

OH

thats a different thing lol

[eternal monolith]

Oh, yeah I just saw these are different functions lol

I just woke up from a nap, the ol' kitty Brian is not purring on all cylinders yet

[shadow iris]

hmmm

why is the player invincible now?

[eternal monolith]

Welp, there's yer problem! 😄 But why??? 😠

[shadow iris]

its reporting that update() can't kill me either?

[eternal monolith]

I am assuming that you have Invincible players turned off in session right?

[shadow iris]

mhm

yes

[eternal monolith]

Thought I'd ask anyway

Hmmmmmm

[shadow iris]

all false, but update does work

oh NOW update doesn't kill me?!?

[eternal monolith]

I wonder if maybe there's a loose global variable named playerId out there somewhere messing you up

I don't use Lua very often so I don't know how it handles that sort of stuff

[shadow iris]

probably not, it is the correct playerId and still not working

hmm, the logging is a bit inconsistent for both

[eternal monolith]

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to call tm.players.SetPlayerIsInvincible(playerId, enabled) before trying to kill the player :\

[shadow iris]

you're never gonna believe what i added along with the logging

[eternal monolith]

😄 nice

[shadow iris]

i also tried re-enabling the mod while the player invincibility session option was off and that didnt work

[eternal monolith]

bleh

[shadow iris]

x3 x4? x3

[eternal monolith]

lol yes

[shadow iris]

i think i actually figured out why respawning triggers deceldeath

[eternal monolith]

ooo?

[shadow iris]

its for the same reason getting into a vehicle after leaving a fast moving one

because it jumps from one value to 0 in 1 frame (because it updates after getting in)

thus if i also check for inseat/oldinseat that SHOULD fix it

[eternal monolith]

ahhh, like because it is only tracking it while you are in a seat, yeah that makes sense

[shadow iris]

wait wtf whyd it go from +29 (last tracked value) to -309 (new tracked value starting from ~0) when entering

oh god to detect entering a seat i gotta store the previous frame's F key value too

[eternal monolith]

omgoodness

[shadow iris]

because inseat and oldinseat are both false when you press f

but that means you can be anywhere when you press f

regardless of if theres actually a seat

and guess whatttttt
i dont think it actually sends playerid in

so i dont think i can store this per-player

which means i cant store past frame state

yeah i'm lost on whats causing killplayer to not work, probably gonna need to summon krunch's magic when hes on

[eternal monolith]

I'm interested to see what he says because I've got nothing at this point

[shadow iris]

@median cobalt any ideas why kill player isn't working? sending lua in a sec

[scenic echo]

So none of the kill functions work anymore in your mod or am i wrong?

Maybe you need, in session options, to have the invincible player option off, not only in the mod

[shadow iris]

it has been off the entire time

logs specify that the player is invincible despite the session option being off and setting all players to be killable via the function

[scenic echo]

Maybe it's something wrong with the function that makes the players killable

It's not the first time finding broken functions

[shadow iris]

weird thing is that the killing used to work fine in the first written use of it

but since I added the invincibility function line it hasn't worked

[scenic echo]

On what line is that function?

[shadow iris]

I can't test anything rn cause its late but if somebody could test or fix the lua file I sent it'd be nice

[shadow iris]

it's in the update function I forgot which

it's before the first mention of killplayer

[scenic echo]

So after you added this
tm.players.SetPlayerIsInvincible(playerId, false)

It broke?

[shadow iris]

yeah or something to do with when I added the checks for logging

[scenic echo]

I will probably try testing this to see if it breaks later in the day, i'm 40% confident that function is the problem

[shadow iris]

weird, before the first killplayer broke, it would always work but the 2nd one never did,. despite the subtle message right below it also triggering just fine

I should check on the not broken version if 1st mention throws a player is invincible error like the 2nd one does

[median cobalt]

Ill get to it this noon if i can , currently busy

[regal bear]

I did a quick test with your mod and it worked at first but then just stopped killing the player after a while. I think the tm.players.KillPlayer function might be bugged, as SpaceKitty said.

[regal bear]

Just some thoughts:

• you should probably add playerId to your keypress functions (if it's only for the host just use 0) eg

    BSState=1
end
OR
function BackspaceD(0)
    BSState=1
end

• use a separate playerUpdate(playerId) function to keep things specific to individual players and avoid things being triggered by the wrong player (see the file I sent you yesterday)

[regal bear]

...and suddenly it has started working again after a while! 🤔 Same Single Player session.

[scenic echo]

We really need a modding fix update because some useful functions are broken or inconsistent

[scenic echo]

was not the problem i guess the kill function is just broken

[shadow iris]

ahh so it was just random chance in multiplayer

[shadow iris]

unless i need to stay in one session for ages, or keep relaunching my game, still only the first use of killplayer ever works; gonna check code

[shadow iris]

and i realized its actually not that either. its because it thinks you got ejected from a seat after respawning

[shadow iris]

YUP

wait what if its a rate limit of sorts because my mod sometimes calls killplayer twice at once or while the player is already dead

yupppp now its not working

now ill restart my game

nah still false

wait is it because of build mode

[scenic echo]

i think it's time for a workaround, just spawn a explosion on top of the player

[shadow iris]

oh my idea for a workaround was to teleport them to like -5000 altitude but that works too 👍

[scenic echo]

does it kill the player if he is at -5000 altitude?

[shadow iris]

yeah theres a vertical kill border

but that would cause the camera to be there too

[scenic echo]

then that's probably better than spawning a explosion

less laggy

[shadow iris]

yeahh but also looks really bad cause the camera during death is also in the void

[eternal monolith]

I think there are functions for controlling where the camera is but I haven't messed with them yet

[shadow iris]

still way more complicated than using explosions, and probably wouldnt be able to do the same motions as regular death camera

also RRR the killfeed is wrong

i think this might be a problem with explosions (theyre too far behind to kill me)

actually this is kind of a cool unintended feature

its like your creation is turning too aggressively and rips itself apart
crashes and wall collisions still should work fine too

but a lot of people wont like this

[paper bone]

any reason you are using the KeyState Variables globally instead of per player?

[shadow iris]

because i wasnt able to figure out callbacks lol

[paper bone]

ok

got it figured out now?

[shadow iris]

nope LOL

noiro told me that this should work?

gonna try it

[paper bone]

yes

[shadow iris]

oh it did work

wtf flashblub

the issue is clear as day now

yeah, backspace causes deceldiff to trigger

alright i think deceldiff on respawn is fixed

[scenic echo]

Is the mod supposed to do?

[shadow iris]

wdym?

[scenic echo]

the purpose of the mod

what it does

[shadow iris]

it makes it easier to be killed, more alike in campaigns

because even with player invincibility off, in sandbox its harder to die than in campaigns

[scenic echo]

i doubt that

[shadow iris]

it is

[scenic echo]

i know some seats are invincible to dying due to acceleration in both campaign and sandbox

[eternal monolith]

I'm really interested in the decel death mod, I think it would pair well with what I'm working on currently

[shadow iris]

acceleration?

[scenic echo]

negative acceleration >=(

[shadow iris]

deceleration?

[scenic echo]

yes >=9

[shadow iris]

=(?

[scenic echo]

=9 pea shooter, do you see it?

[shadow iris]

oh my god why is backspacing so varied even in sandbox

HOW

DIFF IS 0

RAHHH

[scenic echo]

i think it might be lag

i remember going through the same problem when detecting blocks after a player backspaces

[shadow iris]

🧢

that is the correct diff for that time btw

i need to widen the clear gap then

time to add the other two variables

CurrentKph,OldKph,Diff

OH

I SEE WHATS HAPPENED

[scenic echo]

what is happening, i only took a 20 minute look into the code idk what those are

[wispy crescent]

Looks neat, you should make a thread for it

[shadow iris]

i still set oldkph regardless of backspace time and so it still lets Diff be calculated but its actually CurrentSpeed (0) - OldKph (now the actual old speed) = speedDifference

YUP, WORKS

[scenic echo]

yay

[scenic echo]

are those logs in real time or are you just opening a text file after the mod ran?

[shadow iris]

now just gotta wait for flashblululululululb to fix KillPlayer and this mod will be fully good

[shadow iris]

after it ran technically

but i know what i did and when based on speed and backspace time

[paper bone]

if you open it in vsc it will show in real time

[scenic echo]

i should start making my mods with logs, before i used the ui as a way to debug but logs definetly will be better

[scenic echo]

nice

[shadow iris]

it doesnt log anything instantly so theres actually no log file until i hold backspace or i get killed

but again, i know when i do stuff and what causes specific log messages

fake news:

explosions also dont work-

[paper bone]

wdym there is no log file? the log file is always the same, only the content changes

[shadow iris]

when you reload the lua it deletes the log file and only creates it once something is logged

[paper bone]

does it really? idk i always log when a player joins so i always log something instantly

[shadow iris]

i could do that too

ngl server logs mod would be awesome

yk log join/leave (username included), backspacing, spawning structures, repairing, when guns are shot(?)

yk ill add the regular killplayer function and if it fails the workaround is also ran

eh

who cares about killfeed anyway

W function name

[scenic echo]

i agree

[shadow iris]

this means IsPlayerInSeat MUST be returning true...

FLASHBULB WTF

it sets current/old/diff to 0 when not in a seat

works fine if i intentionally leave a seat with F

watch in horror as all of my log functions stop working

finally it triggered

as it turns out it actually just wasnt triggering because i was hitting the ground too hard causing tm to kill me before the mod could

sigh... respawning after death has the same bug as backspacing

[shadow iris]

i fixed it but at the cost of 99% this

NOO NOT AGAIN

we upload later because workshop is STILL BROKEN DEVS ISTFG FIX YOU GAME

[paper bone]

@shadow iris try ModStructure.Dispose()

[shadow iris]

for killing the player?

[paper bone]

maybe that will help kill the player

[scenic echo]

might work

[shadow iris]

nah that would just kick the player out, no?

[paper bone]

it would delete the players structure

[shadow iris]

so what

[paper bone]

better than trying to blow it up with explosions lagging behind

[shadow iris]

ok at least the explosions work at all

[paper bone]

[scenic echo]

you could predict where the player will be and then spawn the explosion at that predicted place

get the velocity in meters/tick and then add it to the position

this might help in the cases that player is too fast for the explosion to kill them

[shadow iris]

boo complicated

caveman go BOOM

🔥🔥🔥

caveman go POOF

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1041710171438723143.gif?size=48&name=CatHyper&quality=lossless

wher cat go

😭

[eternal monolith]

[shadow iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275243260402733128/1294374116329128000/5FA61E89-CAE0-40E6-9E56-90FBF3B68E5C.gif

[regal bear]

Bro - I suggested this to you earlier 🙂
#1140936220487192587 message

[shadow iris]

i might be cooked

[regal bear]

Just chill and most probs can be sorted with time 😉

[shadow iris]

cant think of any ways to fix/simplify/optimize sensitive seats rn so im gonna work on inactivity kick

[regal bear]

For Repair Restrictor I ended up running some things at a much slower rate to ensure that certain detections happened first.

[shadow iris]

doesnt work too well when you're trying to store the previous frame's data. for me it runs fine, but i do have a high end pc for TM hosting it seems

8 player unmodded runs at 100% speed unless somebody teleports/respawns or a big collision happens

so basically 99% of the time it runs at 60fps

with 8 players

[regal bear]

Yes but you don't have to have all detections being instantaneous. I run a 'slowdelta' at 6 while the mod Delta is at 60.

[shadow iris]

itll look best at 60 fps. maybe i could run detections at 30 fps but idk. would need to do broader performance tests to see if that is necessary

probably most needed optimizations would be entirely remove the use of globals, clean up the code + improve readability, while at the same time improving exit vs eject seat detection and also flashbulb fixing KillPlayer

[regal bear]

It still runs at 60 for important things but killing a player half a second after the detection of their deceleration isn't a problem

[shadow iris]

itll look bad though

[regal bear]

no

lag that misses a detection for a kill looks bad

[shadow iris]

why is killing a player at the same time as detecting bad? i dont see how spawning a single explosion pfb is that costly

[regal bear]

I'm just talking about getting accurate detections

Eg. you could slightly slow down your deceleration detection (check over more than one frame) to ensure accuracy - just an example.

Also it might be why you were getting multiple player kills as you mentioned earlier.

[shadow iris]

oh i was throwing ideas out as to why killplayer wasnt working; idk if im actually killing the player multiple times outside of eject and deceldeath triggering at the same time

i imagine theres no way to detect single/multiplayer besides a 2nd player joining

[regal bear]

Not sure. I haven't tried to detect that.

[shadow iris]

gore (i havent done special keys yet)

no im not keeping this

bliss

[eternal monolith]

out of curiosity, what is the purpose of keeping a list of key names? Not critisizing, I just can't think of what you are using it for

[shadow iris]

it's for an inactivity check. instead of writing a key down function for each key individually it just loops through those

[median cobalt]

Bro really making an autokicker

[eternal monolith]

To confirm my understanding is correct: When you hold left mouse on a ui button it only triggers once per click. There is no (quick and easy) way to make it trigger multiple times while being held. Is this correct?

[shadow iris]

could you remove the button and then readd one in the same spot? would that trigger again?

[eternal monolith]

Hmm, it might, but for now I think I will just spam my mouse lol

[shadow iris]

THEY MADE CHASERAI WORK AGAIN

WTF

IT HAS NO TEXTURE

BUT IT WORKS

wait do some of these race start pfbs actually exist??? but theyre so far away in the sky and rotated

yooo what
PFB_ChallengeSignUpExpedition

they have like 800,500,-430 ish offset though

and the "signup" billboard is offcenter from the start zone

[near parcel]

only if it's at the bottom of the UI, otherwise you need to regenerate the entire UI

[shadow iris]

shoot i dont think this part moves?

[eternal monolith]

I don't know what this is but yay! 😄

[shadow iris]

its a bird from expedition that would roll up into a ball and chase your car around and ram it

very fun

[eternal monolith]

aaa that's cool!

[eternal monolith]

Science is hard ya'll

[topaz arrow]

could i get the modder role?

[shadow iris]

me too

[eternal monolith]

Not sure what the modder role is for but I spend most of my time in this game modding now so....?

[shadow iris]

i know its used for making posts in #1123915629653667943 and idk what else

[serene magnet]

Same LOL

I haven't built anything in ages

But anyways once again shoutout to sprinkle tool for being an incredible mod

Mapped my terrain and put down trees

[shadow iris]

tree

[eternal monolith]

nice!

[eternal monolith]

I keep thinking the mod I'm making is one day away from being shared with the community, but everything is so slow going lol

[shadow iris]

announce update is soon
not feel like working on it for 3 months

[shadow iris]

truly a General modding chat moment

[serene magnet]

I feel the same LOL. I gotta get my map released but everytimw I think I'm done either something breaks or something still needs to be done

Like I still have to fix the trees for the 7th time and I have to fix the hitbox on the nonstatic objects

Not to mention that this is like my 9th attempt at making a map. Hopefully this one doesn't have a huge flaw I'm not seeing yet

[scenic echo]

You now have the modder role

[scenic echo]

You now also have it

[topaz arrow]

Thank you! (And thanks to whichever mod that gave me the role!)

[scenic echo]

It was Johannes

[topaz arrow]

Well, thank you Johannes then!

[eternal monolith]

My mod keeps making the game crash, how do I get support? Do I create a new thread with the error report or is there something else I am supposed to do?

[wispy crescent]

You might be able to get a dev to look at your error logs to see if that points to the problem

[eternal monolith]

Do I dm the devs or do like I said with a thread? I really want to make sure I put this in the right place

[wispy crescent]

I wouldn’t dm them but post about it in bug reports

[radiant lion]

Thread is for the best, mod errors are treated different than normal ones, and Devs aren't the only ones who can help

[scenic echo]

my code is so broken that sometimes i need to fix my mod by removing a line of code, saving the lua file and then putting that exact line of code back

[topaz arrow]

What kind of code were you able to make?

[scenic echo]

Just a tm.vector3

[ocean delta]

can i mod xbox?

[cinder spruce]

nope, mods are only available on the steam version

[shadow iris]

are you using vscode? for me in a different game ill save a .json and then it corrupts weirdly

just try saving again, if its that then you dont have to edit

[shadow iris]

using setistrigger for no collision (via trailmappers export rn) seems to not remove collision for prefabs, currently known with the grayrock+orange rock prefabs but it happened with a different one too that i forgot

can somebody else confirm this?

[eternal monolith]

I have a map where there is an invisible cube with CanCollide false where you can still collide with the top of the cube only if you are moving downwards and the back of the cube only if you are leaving the inside and going out. I might post it somewhere if it is useful for bug hunting

[shadow iris]

maybe its custom model convex collision bug

the convex collision cant be removed so people usually put vertexes super far out in blender so the convex collision is far away

[eternal monolith]

I see, interesting

[serene magnet]

Yeah. It only seems to be the top collision though. The salvages i use for my lamps have collision on the top of them even though they are set to trigger

And that's seems to be both with trailmappers export and handwriting the code to spawn them in

[scenic echo]

Yeah i am using vscode and i did try saving multiple times but it does not work. It has to be removed saved and then put back, i have no idea why

[regal bear]

This is a known bug from day 1 of the modding API. My understanding is that SetIsTrigger removes hit box collisions but does not remove raycast collisions. As far as I'm aware all wheels use raycast collisions, as does the player character.

I think there is also a separate bug with some prefabs where SetIsTrigger simply does nothing.

[shadow iris]

hmm i found more details with the barrel despawning bug:

• barrels respawn when theyre LOD'd (players are far away from it)
  • this happens when you clear them while up close, and then move away
  • they immediately respawn if they are cleared while players are far away
  • once respawned they will be untouchable by the mod (needs testing)
• pfbs with ai (tested with PFB_Runner, PFB_Runner-Monkey) also respawn with side effects
  • no collision
  • wandering ai preserved partially? needs more testing

oh does that happen for all physics/ai pfbs

[shadow iris]

dispensable prefab scales (for the ones that scale visual and collision mesh weirdly)

PFB_Dispensable-BeachBall 2
PFB_Dispensable-Cone 2
PFB_Dispensable-MetalCrate 2
PFB_Dispensable-Mine 0.05 (visual ground contact)
PFB_Dispensable-Present 1
PFB_Dispensable-Torpedo 0.5
PFB_DispensableBall 0.49 (visually identical to PFB_DispensableBoulder?)
PFB_DispensableBoulder 0.61
PFB_DispensableCube 0.5
PFB_DispensableSnowball 0.5
PFB_DispensableSphere 2

[shadow iris]

PFB_TimeOfDayTrigger did SOMETHING to the sky for like 1 frame, wtf

and i cant seem to reproduce the effect? idk

maybe it cant change the time of day because the cycle is locked? idk

[shadow iris]

they ACTUALLY FIXED PFB_SpaceWreckage2!!!

[shadow iris]

kungfuflag is also working again

forgot to say that here

[shadow iris]

bug: custom cameras do not work when player's vehicle camera is set to orbit or sticky orbit

custom camera also significantly increase fog; dunno how this could be used but its cool

[eternal monolith]

Babe wake up they fixed PFB_SpaceWreckage2!!!

[shadow iris]

lol what i paused the game while in a custom camera while underwater is this my mod or something

[shadow iris]

my theory for this is that the interpolation during a camera "fade" is broken when it occurs while the game is paused

[primal plaza]

wanted to ask here as i'm messing around with custom maps and theory testing, is there any way to randomly rotate a asset while map is loading via a random number / variable or even randomly only SELECT a handful of props to spawn or not spawn

I.E i want to randomly rotate a custom asset between 1-180 on load

I.E i want to spawn a rock every 1/10 times the map loads, every other time the rock isn't there.

i'm asking this because my knowledge of code is limited and no better with the knowledge of the modding capabilities of trailmakers

[primal plaza]

i'd assume the first is possible with some coding, second one i'd be doubtful but still assume its possible

[shadow iris]

if there's random function related stuff then you could just set a variable to a random number from 0 to 100 and check that value for objects with a specific flag set

like if object has randomspawnchance==0.6 and randomvalue>=0.4 then spawn

[primal plaza]

that sounds about like what i want

i think what i'm trying to do will be possible

just gonna need to figure out the code part to connect the rotation variable to the random number

[regal bear]

You should be able to do both those things.

You can use the "math.random()" and "math.randomseed()" lua functions.
https://www.lua.org/pil/18.html

For the second one you'll also need to write out a file to save the map's load count, and load the file each time the map loads
"tm.os.WriteAllText_Dynamic()"
"tm.os.ReadAllText_Dynamic()"

Alvaroping's handy
Trailmakers API/Lua reference:
https://github.com/ALVAROPING1/Trailmakers-API-LuaLS/blob/master/library/tm-api.lua

[fast oyster]

is reshade against tos since its an DLL?

[radiant lion]

Is it? Probably (don't remember exactly what the EULA says)
Will the devs be fine with you using it? Also probably, the devs are usually chill with modifying DLLs as long as you don't ruin the game for other people, reshade is local and only affects you

I am not a dev, so don't blindly trust that, but I am mostly sure

[eternal monolith]

The way I look at DLL mods is that they can contain potentially harmful code, so they devs don't want people to normalize downloading DLL mods from each other. Modding your own game, in a way that is not cheating, is (probably, I'm not a dev) okay from my understanding. That said, I won't encourage DLL mods since they don't want them to happen

[cinder spruce]

that's not the only issue, DLLs can directly effect people's games even if they don't have anything to do with them at all

[dry sentinel]

Reshades been used by a number of community members to make their screenshots look better, so I’m sure you’ll be fine

Reshades pretty universal in general, not even specific to Trailmakers

[near parcel]

afaik reshade works at the driver level, it doesn't directly modify the game

[median cobalt]

Have to agree with alvaro for once, Reshade hooks into draw calls directly to get geometry data etc, so you can run stuff like wide ambient occlusion or raytracing

OFC this will hog the actual frame gen so you might encounter half the framerate

To my knowledge you cant gain proper advantages from it since Trailmakers does Culling which Reshade cant undo so anything not in the BSP area will just dissapear

however, game code injectors are banned from usage, defacto

[fast oyster]

so am i fine using it or?

[shadow iris]

for reshade? from what i read here you'll most likely be fine

[fast oyster]

alr ill keep using it since it makes the game pretty

[near parcel]

even if it dynamically patches the game in-memory, considering it just changes the graphics, you will likely be fine as it doesn't hurt anybody

[fast oyster]

the only thing it will be hurting is my frames

[shadow iris]

no ones answering my question (multiple sources) so, should i add blue pine trees to the very top of treasure island's mountain- do they fit? do they make sense next to the pre-existing cartoon pines?

[fast oyster]

maybe if u add more (idk tho im not a mapper)

[shadow iris]

ye that was just a little patch to test it out

but as a player do they match the area?

[fast oyster]

ig

as long as you can get out of the spawn point it will make sense placement wise

[fast oyster]

they kinda match

the sand kinda throws it off

[fast oyster]

can you import blender models into the game?

im not a modding guy tho i know basic python, im want to make a desert map with a pyramid and stuff and thought just making it in blender is easy since i know the program

[shadow iris]

.obj models yes

but they cant be super duper high quality

theres a 32767 vertex limit i think

[fast oyster]

so can i make a full map with textures and all

it would be a pretty small map

[shadow iris]

yeah and textures the maximum practical size is 4096x4096

but i would recommmend 1024x1024 if you can get away with it, 1024^2 loads a lot faster

[fast oyster]

ok, thanks for lmk

[shadow iris]

textures use png, and the alpha/opacity channel determines roughness. the lower the opacity of a pixel, the rougher or less shiny it is

[fast oyster]

heres the map file, what do i do next?

[shadow iris]

2.15 mb wtff

[fast oyster]

?

its very simple as i want too figure out

how to import it first

[shadow iris]

yeah this isnt going to fully load into tm, tm is gonna start removing random triangles until it works

[fast oyster]

ok

[shadow iris]

using trailmappers? or? whats your setup

[fast oyster]

idk,its my first time, (sorry)

i decimated it, would it work now?

[shadow iris]

if it has less than 32767 triangles then yes

[scenic echo]

Awesome use of the subtle messages

[eternal monolith]

I've occasionally thought about making a horror story mod, this would be perfect for that omgosh!

Mod idea: Gravity gun. Allows the player to pick up and move physics objects as if their character is holding a tractor beam block

[warm canopy]

Noiro did it with the hands mod, its a tad janky

[shadow iris]

a tad?

[shadow iris]

@warm canopy i overwrote the default list audio but this audio is new i think

there may be more that arent on your site, idk

yeah new audio ids with 2.0

[empty nexus]

is there a way to change terrain using mods? Current trailmakers maps just move and resize assets, but what about changing the actual terrain? I was thinking about making a f1 racetrack with uneven terrain, which is basically what we have in real life, something similar to the track on melvin island, but the "smoothness" of driving on the melvin island track can't really be achieved with just normal assets.

[cinder spruce]

nope

[empty nexus]

well... there should be a way

[cinder spruce]

i know right
api being kinda left in the dust

[empty nexus]

just like there should be a way to change camera sensitivity for mouse and keyboard
||i know this has nothing to do with modding, i just wanna show that i'm mildly infuriated||

[eternal monolith]

Technically speaking it should not be impossible to extract the terrain from the game into a 3D modeling program, make your changes there, and then import it back into trail mappers. But don't ask me how exactly to do that because sigh looong story

[cinder spruce]

but then there you're losing the "smoothness" of using in game terrain, like he needed

custom models aren't the best to drive on

[eternal monolith]

I thought custom models were how people did terrain so now I guess I'm confused

[cinder spruce]

some maps do yes, a lot of mine
most maps use a ton of prefabs combined together to create terrain instead, which is slightly better but you're quite limited on what geometries you can make and what textures you can use. custom models aren't perfect to drive on but provide the most amount of customization and is currently the best option for that.

[empty nexus]

can you not use the tarmac texture by doing that? Cuz i've seen some race maps but all of them have a grass texture for the track that just makes the vehicle slower

[cinder spruce]

there's no such thing as different textures for custom models, as of now you can't change the grip at all

[empty nexus]

that's a bit silly

[shadow iris]

how do I extract the terrain from the game into a 3D modeling program, make my changes there, and then import it back into trail mappers?

[dry sentinel]

Probably some way including a bunch of raycast points

[regal bear]

You could use Blender to create your track and verge surfaces, then build up terrain around it using prefabs (eg like Greenstone Circuit: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3355601599&searchtext=greenstone)
For F1 style tracks the custom object surface is perfectly fine. All the asphalt surfaces in my Asphalt Valley map are custom objects and that map is designed for making race tracks using Track Creator Plus.

[empty nexus]

but what i'm talking about is the fact that you can't make those custom objects have a "grippy" texture like tarmac, the asphalt for the circuit on your map is not actual asphalt and works very similarly to grass instead, my vehicle with top speed of 355 kph barely reaches 220 kph on this material, the metal diamond plate on the other hand is very grippy, acting just like tarmac does on any trailmakers map

even the "grass" on your map has better grip than the actual circuit, because it is an actual asset from the game

[regal bear]

Not my map 😉 - but yes I know exactly what you mean and I agree it is frustrating that the custom object surface has so much more friction making it slower, but it's still very useable as a tarmac-like surface. BTW that 'grass' in your pic is actually a 'rock' surface I think.

[empty nexus]

i know (that the grass is rock)

[scenic echo]

355kph to 220kph sounds extreme, from what i've driven on custom objects it's around a 5 - 10% decrease

[empty nexus]

well, it's a vehicle with different "gears" so to say

[scenic echo]

Wait you are not in f5, free cam without f5 sounds nice (it took me a few seconds to see that you had ui and it wasn't the f5 ui)

[topaz arrow]

when using the camera set position on a fast moving block, it seems the camera is offset from the block. does anyone know how to combat this? idk if the offset is linear, doesnt feel like it, and idk how to move the camera to stop this from happening

here i tried combatting this (there is a static offset of the camera + linear based on speed, didnt seem to help much)

[warm canopy]

It’s because the camera teleports between positions rather than move, it’s unavoidable. You can use lerp to try and smooth it out a little

[topaz arrow]

? i dont see why the teleportation would have anything to do with it?

even worse, i think this may not be a camera specific issue but rather be in general. that is: Modblock.getPosition() is not at the same place where the block is visually when at high speeds

[scenic echo]

i think the game physics runs at a higher tps than logic, blocks(like moving blocks and blocks with inputs) and mods

[scenic echo]

when i was making the distance sensor range mod i had the same issue and i don't think it was the position being wrong but the physics tps being faster than the mod tps(i had my mod at 60 tps)

[scenic echo]

i don't really know if this is true but it is what i've observed

[topaz arrow]

Idk, it feels like it lags behind for well more than a tick. Ill try to get better examples, but idk, its very weird and i dont like it 😦

[scenic echo]

at what speed do your missiles travel?

[topaz arrow]

I... dont know. Like i can calculate it, but in practice it may work out to sth different. Ill check later today and tell you. But from my calculations its 530 km/h

[scenic echo]

and how many blocks would you say it lags behind by?

[topaz arrow]

From my last tests felt more than 8, but i did some funky offsets so i will need to check what those offsets did (since i tried compensating for it)

[scenic echo]

if it's 8 than it's definitely not what i talked about

[topaz arrow]

Hmm, maybe im misremebering the missile i used then? If you want, i can ping/dm you when im free and we can both test it out

[scenic echo]

yeah ping me and i will come help

[topaz arrow]

Alr, will do!

[topaz arrow]

Actually, with back of the napkin calculations, the delay seems to line up with 1 tick delay

[scenic echo]

if it's 1 tick delay then you might just have a old position or the camera takes 1 tick to be moved

[topaz arrow]

Its not camera exclusive tho. Teleporting objects (flamethrower object for particles) also creates this effect

[scenic echo]

it the gif you showed flamethrower particles seemed to be always infront of the camera by like 8 blocks

[topaz arrow]

Huh

[topaz arrow]

Ye the particles are straight up on the ModBlock.getPosition()

Camera there is doing a funky (i made it do the funky to be precise)

[scenic echo]

not gonna lie but the camera catches the missile but it seems the flame particles are in front of the missile

[topaz arrow]

Ye the particles are technically on the block position. I tried having the camera adjust based on speed, but didnt seem to help (unless i made it wrong)

[scenic echo]

what was the problem you had with the camera?

[topaz arrow]

Same with the particles to be honest. I wanted the camera to be x blocks behind the missile, but as the missile accelerated, the camera moved further towards and then in front of the missile. The gif shows some funky code that isnt compensating properly, but the particles are on the block position which also shows the issue

[scenic echo]

how interesting

[topaz arrow]

How annoying 😭

[radiant lion]

Problem with the camera position is that it doesn't seem to be delayed by just one tick, if it were the distance from the missile should be linear to the speed, and a fix for that is technically present in what he's doing.
The fact that the camera goes from behind to in front of the missile suggests that the original camera/missile offset grows logarithmically for some reason

[topaz arrow]

Well i may have the linear adjustment wrong 😅, but it doesnt feel linear for sure

[radiant lion]

If the linear adjustment was wrong it should either slowly get further behind or further in front, but here it's switching from back to front

Unless it's the static offset doing funky stuff

[scenic echo]

looking at the gif the speed which the camera is closing in on the missile seems constant

[scenic echo]

i think you should add some ui which shows the speed of the missile and then with that see at what speeds the camera is at the missile, is behind it and is beyond it

[topaz arrow]

I should, but idk how chaotic the code will turn out to be. Ill try when i get home

[near parcel]

They don't

[scenic echo]

good to know

[near parcel]

Anything involving physics will take at least 1 tick to show. A single frame isn't calculated multiple times

[scenic echo]

so the position given by GetPosition() is 1 tick delayed or is spawning something 1 tick delayed?

[near parcel]

Spawning/moving/updating is

[scenic echo]

good to know

[topaz arrow]

ye but i thought it would be delayed the other way. rn it feels that the mod happens faster than the game or sth. idk, its hard to explain

[topaz arrow]

i am pinging you. going to boot up the game and add the speed display idea

[scenic echo]

nice

[topaz arrow]

shall we go to DMs?

[scenic echo]

yup

[shadow iris]

ive managed to make a mod that can (somewhat unreliably) detect dropped server performance!

[shadow iris]

it now displays frametime in milliseconds (i dont know how accurate this is, or if its accurate at all)

but going off of ctrl+i networking hud's performance percentage and the millisecond behind value i think its accurate?

[shadow iris]

so setting physics speed based on lag does work but trailmakers does NOT take a fast changing physics speed very well (it crashes the server near instantly)

what might be happening is that changing physics speed messes up the frametime calculation, which makes it think its running slower, and then speeds up/down the game in a wave-like pattern

i have no idea why creations get absolutely sent though

changing physics speed too quickly or too drastically or a mix of both causes:

• inaccurate collisions (bouncing with abnormal velocity)
• extreme velocity applied to some weld-groups(?) as if you used many hinge glitches
• weld groups glitch similarly to how distant weld groups behave

changing physics speed past 200% (2.0) can cause severely incorrect things to happen
try 300% for a mild example
try 500% for a severe example
try 1000% to deliver all of TM's technical debt to your door

[shadow iris]

changing phys speed past 1.0 actually does bug out

[shadow iris]

according to this mod i made, repairing (including motion repairs) and teleporting are by far the most performance heavy actions in the game

[shadow iris]

issue is that most lag from this is only a spike and not a constant lowered performance level so lowering physics speed does not really work

[shadow iris]

seems like ModStructure.Destroy() is a bit unstable when used at the same time that a structure is spawned in

ModStructure.Dispose() seems to break build mode quite a bit, got stuck with a ghost gimzo and constantly rotating anything i had selected. was also unable to exit build mode, some blocks were "locked"

⬆️ ModStructure.Dispose() issues