General modding chat

[shadow iris]

ty ❤️

most useful and straight to the point tutorial on the internet

[reef musk]

Pressing A selects all btw

[open acorn]

data_dynamic for people that download the mod from the workshop is saved in the userdata section of steam, however the file directories for file loading is relative to the mod folder, and seeing as we cannot go back in folders, it makes this not possible

tm.physics.AddMeshDynamic(path, id) when?

[buoyant cave]

Could anyone help me with the creation of a race track?

or could someone please assist me with how to export trackmaker mod to trailmappers?

[shadow iris]

ok so heres how to do that:
you don't ||(i think? maybe you can)||

the extra scripts and stuff won't be there but the actual track maybe possible

[buoyant cave]

what da heck

[radiant lion]

You can't import the track (it's something I should have done a while ago) but you can load both a map and tracks with this #modding-archive message

It should still work

[buoyant cave]

how do i access the save file for the track?

[regal bear]

Mod save files are buried deep within your Steam Installation. Eg, for Jess' Trackmaker:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\[your usercode]\585420\remote\Mods\2509484109\data_dynamic\Saves
You can search your C: drive using the mod code 2509484109 and Windows will eventually find it.

[your usercode] = a unique number code that Steam assigns to you eg. 87654321 (not the same as your Steam ID)
585420 = the Trailmakers Steam code
2509484109 = Trackmaker Steam Workshop code

I've asked the Devs to please provide a button in TM so that players can easily find these save files. Still hoping but it's been a while.

[buoyant cave]

Thank you!

[grave trellis]

Hi, im sure poeple ask this all the time but besides Trailmappers links i have not found many answers yet or just don't know how to look for them properly so i'll try my luck here: how do poeple make custom maps? Theres maps with water and everything on the workshop, that look like they're made on a custom map foundation, or by altering the official maps and i would realy like to learn how to do that.

[near parcel]

all maps are made by spawning assets on normal maps. Trailmappers is the easiest way to do that (it's a separate program that generates all the files required to spawn the objects in the game)

[grave trellis]

Ty, now i know what i need to look for to get started.

[solemn sinew]

how do i make mods?

[radiant lion]

Could you be a bit more specific?

For now I can tell you that you gotta use Lua to make your mod, the default ones are good examples, you can find the mod directory directly from the in-game mod menu

[formal crane]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Basic_Modding_Guide

[ionic jacinth]

Is there a way to find the vector of which direction a player's camera is facing?

Nvm its been requested in vote-modding features 😦

[hoary skiff]

nuh uh

I've been making mods with typescript

you might have to f||||k with it a little to make it work it's a little finicky

https://github.com/spidunno/trailmakers-scaffolding

[radiant lion]

If he doesn't know how to code he's better off going with lua

[hoary skiff]

if you don't know how to code why start with a worse language

also yeah you should use lua this isn't polished enough yet

[radiant lion]

1: I dunno about that
2: it's not just the language, it's avoiding all the hassle

[hoary skiff]

knowing typescript would definitely be more useful to most people than lua because of all of the web dev it would let you do

also yeah I have been trying to make it easier to just start using

[radiant lion]

Just use javascript+html+css like normal people

[hoary skiff]

ew

[radiant lion]

Or php like cool people

[hoary skiff]

ewer

[radiant lion]

Or python like lame people

(don't)

[hoary skiff]

I did not understand why anybody would use typescript but now every time I have to use js I just end up adding types to make it easier to work with

if you have a big enough codebase you will make bugs that would have been caught if you used typescript

[radiant lion]

Well, I can't deny that, especially since I lack the experience

[hoary skiff]

you should try typescript some time it's fun

[radiant lion]

Nah, I have some php code injection to do

[hoary skiff]

fair enough

[near parcel]

Lua is easier to learn than typescript, and isn't worse. It also requires less setup since it's directly supported (and you don't need to worry about transpilation, which could have it's own errors and make debugging harder as you might only get the error location in the transpiled lua code which you would need to be able to read anyways)

[hoary skiff]

I believe there is a compilation setting in ts2lua that overwrites the error code so it gives you ts line numbers

but also lua is definitely a worse language, I'm not saying ts is good, but lua is worse

array indexing literally starts at 1

[formal crane]

already had this chat before 😉

[radiant lion]

That ain't a good reason to say it's bad

[hoary skiff]

I mean... it kind of is

every other language does it from zero, doing it from one just causes bugs when you forget

[radiant lion]

Skill issue

[hoary skiff]

you seem like the kind of person who would say "why use rust? just don't write memory unsafe code"

[radiant lion]

Just don't use other languages and you won't forget

[formal crane]

if you'll going into general discussion about whether lua, ts or whatever else is least bad, then please take it to #off-topic

[hoary skiff]

sorry sorry

[radiant lion]

Time to move

[near parcel]

errors messages are generated by the game with all the relevant information as a single string, so you would need to manually parse that to get the line/column number and then use a mapping between the code in the 2 languages. You can't overwrite the error message generation function as that's inside of the game rather than on the lua side. That doesn't solve the problem of errors in one language making no sense in another though, you would need a complex mapping for that or knowing the language the game is executing and how the transpilation is changing things to be able to understand the error directly. If you know what you are doing, it can be done, but you are adding more moving parts that can fail and you need to understand

[hoary skiff]

seems like a problem with the game then, it should be an actual normal error message

[near parcel]

it's not though, having error messages as strings is normal. Even if it was a struct with the column/line/message fields (which wouldn't be that hard to parse anyways), that wouldn't solve the bigger problem of translating error messages across languages

[hoary skiff]

it doesn't need to translate any error messages, just the line numbers

[near parcel]

then you potentially get errors that don't make sense, because they will be about the lua code that's being executed rather than your original code. Unless the only difference between the languages is syntax or you implement a full interpreter in the target language, you will always have to deal with that and by extension be able to understand what code is actually being executed

[near parcel]

the debug module as a whole is disabled in the sandboxing

[hoary skiff]

and yes, it is a syntax difference

there are some slightly different things like es functions that compile down to lua ones, but generally the output lua code looks like the input ts code

[near parcel]

i know there is a syntax difference, my point was that that would need to be the only difference. Any semantic differences in the languages throw a wrench at the error message conversion

[hoary skiff]

yes, it is basically the only difference

the semantic differences are documented in the the ts2lua docs, like what values are truthy and falsy, and how undefined just compiles to nil

[near parcel]

then there are in fact extra semantic differences you need to know when using it. My point isn't that it can't be done, it's that for a newcomer interested in tm modding it's just easier to go with the officially supported language (lua) as there are less things you need to learn/know/remember

[hoary skiff]

I already said that

[hoary skiff]

.

[near parcel]

sorry, didn't saw that

[hoary skiff]

I use it because I understand how it works and how to get around its problems, other people can if they are willing to do that too

my goal is to make it as easy as possible to use typescript to make mods, right now that is not the case

[regal bear]

Track Creator Plus mod Drift Mode vid posted here: #1242291936715608205 message

[regal bear]

Can anyone tell me the mod api name for the Airborne map?

[open acorn]

WLD_AirborneIsland

[regal bear]

Cheers mate!

[regal bear]

The new version of the Track Creator Plus mod is now live on Steam. If anyone gives it a go please let me know of any bugs or issues (in the TCP mod thread).

[open acorn]

power core crates look like very nice as glass

[open acorn]

I love how sometimes when using concave meshes the wheels on one's car straight up decides to become hover wheels

[scenic echo]

how can i spawn a explosion with a specific size?

[open acorn]

make a local variable, and spawn the explosion as it, then set the size of that gameobject's transform:

local explosion = tm.physics.SpawnObject(pos, "PFB_Explosion_XL")
explosion.GetTransform().SetScale(0.1)```

[scenic echo]

thanks

[radiant lion]

I am quite sure you can't scale explosions, just use the different sizes

[open acorn]

it scales the damage range, but not the visual particle effect

[scenic echo]

why does the "failed to call update" error usually appear?

[radiant lion]

That means that something in your update function (or a function called in the update) is giving issues

[scenic echo]

Is ModBlock.GetStartHealth() broken and is there a way to see if it is?

[radiant lion]

I guess make a little test mod to see if it works, just something that with a button grabs the blocks and prints the values

[scenic echo]

Found out that the 1x2 block and many other blocks have different health than what ModBlock.GetStartHealth() shows, for example the 1x2 has 175 hp but the ModBlock.GetStartHealth() function says it has 400 hp

[dapper jay]

i love health so much

[open acorn]

very healthy

[regal bear]

Some blocks must be eating too much processed food

[open acorn]

done some testing and it seems the blast radius of "PFB_Explosion_SeatDeath" at scale 1 is around 48 blocks (could be off by about 5 idk)

[open acorn]

SeatLock

[forest dome]

does anyone know whats up with the lack of weapon based attributes

?

[radiant lion]

There are simply better things to be added (getColor was a godsend)

[hoary skiff]

I present (probably) the first workshop mod written entirely in typescript

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3262614055&

[open acorn]

Holy macaroni, you actually wrote a tm mod in a seperate language to lua?

impressive

(even if typescript isn't as flexible)

[hoary skiff]

for this, typescript is working just as well as lua, just with a syntax I prefer and static typing

[open acorn]

I subscribed to it however I cannot find it in the list, nor does the mod have any other data in it's workshop downloads folder

[hoary skiff]

uh

that's... strange?

let me try and fix it

try now

yeah I have no clue why it didn't upload any files the first time lmao

[open acorn]

sometimes steam workshop has servers lagging on their end, steam's not perfect, but it's pretty good

[open acorn]

it's as if nothing changed, probably a me issue

[hoary skiff]

you might have to remove and re download it

if it still doesn't work it probably like hasn't updated or something

[open acorn]

it doesn't say you updated it, to update it go into the workshop ingame > "my uploads" > your mod > "edit mod"

[hoary skiff]

done, steam is waiting to analyze it

if that doesn't work, try this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3262633169

yeah, for some reason editing the existing one doesn't work, I had to upload a new one

but that one seems to have worked

wait... it still didn't?

f||🦆||k it

(not a zip bomb I promise)

[open acorn]

all this work just to change the time of day every few seconds
+respect

[open acorn]

yeah nah it's not a zip bomb

[hoary skiff]

there's a little more than just the time of day mod

I have some ui classes

and a random id generator

this is the ts code for a very simple version with no ui or anything

const DAY_LENGTH = 480;
let time = 240;

function update() {
        const delta = tm.os.GetModDeltaTime();

        time = (time + delta) % DAY_LENGTH;

        tm.world.SetTimeOfDay((time / DAY_LENGTH) * 100);
}

[hoary skiff]

anybody want some classes that represent ui elements on screen?

they automatically generate their own unique id and you interact with them as a class instance as opposed to via an id you give them

[hoary skiff]

https://github.com/spidunno/trailmakers-scaffolding/

This should contain everything you need to create a mod with typescript

[shadow iris]

valve's not perfect, but it's pretty good
for example: the number three

[scenic echo]

What does tm.os.SetModTargetDeltaTime(targetDeltaTime) do and how do i use it?

[radiant lion]

You set it to something like 1/60 and that's how often the update function gets called (in that case 60 times a second)

[scenic echo]

so it needs to be tm.os.SetModTargetDeltaTime(1/60)

[radiant lion]

Yes, if you want it to update 60 times a second (you can do it slower, like 1/30), but you can't do it faster

[scenic echo]

Thanks

[scenic echo]

how do you give the mod menu only to the host?

[near parcel]

only load it for player id 0

[scenic echo]

Thanks

[hoary skiff]

working with a class that represents a UI label feels so much nicer than having to use an ID to interact with one

[hoary skiff]

https://ninja.dog/CIY1nu.png

[hoary skiff]

published that to npm and now it's as simple as installing it and I can easily make different pages of ui

[hoary skiff]

wait I still don't have the modder role

i have now published a mod to the workshop someone give me that I'm special

[hoary skiff]

I present (again) the first (real and useful) workshop mod written 100% in a language other than lua:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3264225034

(this time with the files actually uploaded)

[hoary skiff]

I'm doing it I'm making a workflow to automatically upload mods to the workshop

github actions I love you

and steamcmd

should be possible to do everything without ever needing to upload from in-game

[shadow iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994707718361317439/1236038467880751105/cat-trigger-yippee.gif

huh

dyno what do you mean

"your mod has been uploaded to the workshop"

I UNDERSTAND

[hoary skiff]

couldn't get it to work but it's definitely doable

[hoary skiff]

@near parcel could I have the modder role, I'd like to be able to post in vote-modding-features

[open acorn]

average trailmakers mesh shenanigans

[hoary skiff]

what the hell

time to write react but for trailmakers

not really react, I hate the architecture of react

but a reactive ui library

[hoary skiff]

I have created signals https://ninja.dog/sr7Nli.png

https://ninja.dog/7VrbkE.mp4

[split skiff]

Guys, I downloaded a map for Trailmakers on the internet, and I don't know how to put it in the game, I don't use Steam Workshop because I don't have it in the stem

[dry sentinel]

I wouldn't trust something random downloaded from online... I think the only way to run lua maps is through Trailmakers steam (unless the Microsoft store version has "unofficial" lua support)

If you downloaded something you don't understand, delete it now; could easily be malware

[split skiff]

I downloaded it from a trustworthy website that I always use, and it doesn't have malware

[dry sentinel]

It's clearly not that trustworthy, considering the only official distrubtion for maps is through steam

[split skiff]

ok, but do you know if there is a way? put this map in trailmakers, in folders or something like that

[paper bone]

Only the steam version can run mods

[dry sentinel]

Thank you, was just about to send this 😆 #newcomers message; basically, if you're looking where to drop a bunch of files that aren't .lua right now on your pc, there's a chance its malware

[near parcel]

mods are only available on the version downloaded through steam

[scenic echo]

how can you get the number of players in a server?

[near parcel]

#tm.players.CurrentPlayers()

[regal bear]

I'm having problems with "RegisterMouseDownPositionCallback" and custom meshes.

It seems that MouseDownPosition (along with the player's footsteps and the jetpack particles) doesn't respect the concave hull collision. In fact these things seem to use a convex hull for collision. Yet raycasts and other object collisions seem to respect the concave hull.

The attached pic shows objects spawned by mouse clicking the surface of a large custom terrain object. They form a line at the same height which points across to the distant high point, even though the terrain curves down at the points that they were spawned.

Devs, is this something that can be fixed? I really hope so, otherwise I'll have to completely redesign my track editor so that custom terrain works with it 😬

[open acorn]

if you can get the camera position you should be able to fix it yourself (by casting a ray toward the click position from the camera pos, unless you click in the sky it should always be valid, however currently you can only add cameras, which is unfortunate so that's the only way you can solve it rn), this thing also occurs with wheel deformation on concave collision

[regal bear]

Thanks - that seems like a decent workaround. I also have a couple of different ideas for workarounds that don't use cameras, but we shouldn't need workarounds.

I can't see this issue with the mouse world position as being intended behaviour. If it were simply just fixed by the devs it would really help 🙂

[cinder spruce]

im making a large desert map for flying, and i have 2 airfields on opposite sides of the map. is there a way i cant have 2 spawnpoints for players to spawn or at least a way to teleport them from one to the other

[near parcel]

I looked into it a while ago, but afaik steamcmd can't delete workshop uploads

[open acorn]

1. get used to modding with the tm api
2. either use 3D models, textures, click detection, and custom cameras to make a custom map screen with teleport points, use the pre-existing ui functions to do so, or some other method that works for detecting when the player does something and moves their player there after deleting the current creation

[cinder spruce]

2 seems easier, ima go with that

[open acorn]

how to make a car

1. make a body
2. make a wheelbase
3. add steering
4. add engines

"4 seems easier, imma go with that"

[cinder spruce]

how to make a plane:

1. fuselage
2. thrusters
3. wings
4. tail

5 seems a lot easier

[open acorn]

just landing gear?

[cinder spruce]

found an odd bug
if you load a overcomplex build in the builder then a mod is turned on with a custom spawnpoint, it will automatically spawn you with the overcomplex creation at the spawnpoint

[open acorn]

well it's pretty much a forced backspace so it'll probably do that

[cinder spruce]

mmm backspace

[open acorn]

managed to make it to where I can click on a block and directly track it rather than tracking the closest to the click position on the ground

[cinder spruce]

what the vr mod

[open acorn]

nah pretty much just detecting the click position, sending a raycast in that direction (to detect structures and concave collision), and having hand models rotate toward it if it's not near a block, however if it is, still rotate toward it, but instead the block, and apply velocity to the block to attract it toward the hands

an earlier version of it is currently on the workshop, however there's a few bugs that I'm fixing

[radiant lion]

Tm gravity gun

[shadow iris]

would it be possible if like the hands get too far away from the selected block, that it detaches?

[radiant lion]

Not in a clean way, you could check the nearest detached and destroy it, but it won't always work

[cinder spruce]

6 am moment

[radiant lion]

Eh, I woke up

[open acorn]

already does that, and works very nicely, however it tries to keep the player toward it by moving them in that direction, but if they keep walking away it detaches

[open acorn]

I forgot if this is local or global, I hope it's global, however it shouldn't be too hard to adapt what I'm doing to make it local

[radiant lion]

Ah, detached in that way... Turns out answering at 6am is not a good idea

It's global btw

[regal bear]

Frans - please don't delete the original #modding-archive channel. Some form of accessible archive for it would be much appreciated.

[open acorn]

🤔 there is quite a lot in #modding-archive that does deserve to stay, I definitely agree

[formal crane]

Yeah I agree! I just wished we could migrate them somehow.
It mainly comes down to Discord not being great platform -- but I am just unsure how to cleanup 🙂

I think it is fair to keep it. Discord is just not really a platform for knowledge finding.
And I would prefer if it could live on the new Wikipedia instead.

[radiant lion]

I check it once in a while when I question the quaternions

But i'm also not sure how easy it is to migrate without losing some random possibly important thing

[formal crane]

Maybe just as a future not, see if you could post the info here. Then I (and maybe someone else) wouldn't mind moving that to the wiki somehow 🙂

But nice to hear the channel is useful. I was under the impression that it was getting a little outdated at this point / information had now been reshared here.

EDIT: Just to clarify, won't delete it 🙂

[paper bone]

you could maybe make a new folder for archived channels(if there are gonna be more) so they wouldnt clutter the already existing channels when collapsed

[regal bear]

On the new Wiki would be fine. I guess it would be nice if there's a way to maintain 'links' to the identities of posters. I agree Discord is not great for archiving and searching for stuff. The archive Category is another good idea - although still has the problem of Discord's limitations.

[cinder spruce]

quick question does anyone know what the size of the world in meters?

[regal bear]

Which world? Planet Earth? One of the maps in TM? World of Tanks? 😛

[cinder spruce]

tm map

im trying to get a heightmap of a place in the irl world and i want it to be the same scale as the game

[regal bear]

I think there is some variation in the limits of the TM maps. Eg Space Sector is much bigger than any other map. For scale, I ~think~ the player character might be 1m tall? Could be wrong.

[cinder spruce]

player is 1.25m tall, based of what the distance sensor says, 1m = 4 blocks

i was hoping someone measured it with the in game with the player distance

[regal bear]

You could try making a track with my TCP mod and go dead straight across Test Zone. It gives an approximate track length in metres - but I happen to know it's not super accurate with that 😬

[open acorn]

iirc from last time I looked at the player in blender (without hair or hat), it was 1.2m tall, so that's pretty close

[open acorn]

or you could just take the x (or z) position of the player on either side then subtract that from eachother and round the measured distance up to the nearest integer

[cinder spruce]

or just have a friend go to the opposite corner of the world and square that value

but i dont have a friends

wait no dont square

i forgot hwo to geometry

x sqrt(2) = one side length

[open acorn]

🤔

[cinder spruce]

or dont make it complciated and go to adjacent corners

what 1 am does to me

[open acorn]

about 15000 x/z on test zone and what appears to be around 7200 metres from the ground (ground is at 300 y level)

[cinder spruce]

found a friend

[open acorn]

too bad you already get measurements

[cinder spruce]

21212 opposite corners on test zone

darn was same number

actual it was 14999x14999

[open acorn]

player has width of about half a metre, adding onto both sides giving 15000x15000

[formal crane]

WLD_TestZone Test Zone
Width 15000
Height 15000

WLD_AirborneIsland Airborne
Width 15000
Height 15000

WLD_Exploration Stranded
Width 4000
Height 4000

WLD_HighSeas High Seas
Width 5000
Height 5000

WLD_KingOfTheHill Dethrone
Width 1100
Height 1200 😢

WLD_RaceIsland Race Island
Width 4000
Height 4000

WLD_Sandbox Treasure Island
Width 2500
Height 2500

WLD_StuntIsland Danger Zone
Width 4000
Height 4000

WLD_TheMoon Space Sector
Width 25000
Height 25000

These numbers might also be completely wrong -- I remember some discussions ago that we did have maybe 2 systems for world boundaries and I am not really familiar with either of them.

Also this is on Unity X and Z axis. I didn't look up the Y (height).

[cinder spruce]

yea so i was testing a map sized directly to the border on test zone; on dethrone it was still the same sized border

[regal bear]

Much smarter idea (1am moment for me also 🤦‍♂️)

[full grove]

will these mods be available on the microsoft/xbox edition?

[radiant lion]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1255911573428375643

Here you can read why they likely won't

Not soon at least

[paper bone]

what kind of message id is expected to remove Subtle Messages?
it doesnt seem to be this

oh i see the issue

[paper bone]

Custom Model wont load correctly.

it just spawns a White Cube in its place with the correct Rotation, any ideas?
i checked other mods but couldnt find what they were doing different

[near parcel]

are you loading the mesh first?

[paper bone]

no, i have to do that?

[radiant lion]

Yes

[near parcel]

you need to call tm.physics.AddMesh(filename, resourceName) once to load the mesh

[paper bone]

ok Thank you

nice it works

[elder zinc]

so my friend has got to my build and got my modded build on HIS nick name on my build id 3281870343

on workshop

pls fix that]

mine build

[paper bone]

#workshop-reports if you want to report a stolen build, keep in mind that you can only report builds that you have uploaded before they did.

[paper bone]

how can i spawn a beacon that is only visible to a certain player?

[elder zinc]

nah i dont upload

[near parcel]

you can't

[near parcel]

then you can't report reuploads

[paper bone]

oh ok

[hoary skiff]

y'alls opinion on this api?

https://ninja.dog/jmk9DZ.png

[uneven oyster]

can someone show how to get started with a mod

like how to make the project or what not

[reef notch]

uhmm I dont know where else I can ask this but, in trailmappers can I copy paste a model from a diff map to an existing one?

[formal crane]

The wiki has a guide
https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/wiki/Basic_Modding_Guide

[formal crane]

There is a Trailmappers thread you can ask in 🙂 https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1226065444364877835

[open acorn]

what happened to the #1126842222898315274-faq channel?

just curious

[formal crane]

I might misremember, but I think all (up to date) material got moved to the wiki.

[open acorn]

ah

[reef notch]

a similar question appeared in https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1226065444364877835 and seems like it isnt possible

[open acorn]

from a diff map to an existing one?
so like moving models between maps in trailmappers
or copying one from an exported one and putting that in trailmappers?

yes that is possible

to my knowledge

[reef notch]

Just moving models between maps in trailmappers

[open acorn]

well, shouldn't the model still be in the custom models folder? then you can just import it from there

[reef notch]

im afraid that im using the term models wrong, I just meant copy pasting objects to another

for example I just want to copy paste this animal friendly contraption on another map

with the same scale and placement

[open acorn]

well yeah, copy and put all the position, rotation, and scale information into some place, then go into another map, and place it down again then paste it in again, it's a tedious process to do with multiple things but it will work

I honestly don't know how the maps are saved while using trailmappers, so maybe there's a way to do it there aswell

[paper bone]

there is no simple feature added for that, you would need to do it by hand like noiro said

[paper bone]

just a long .json list so you could theoratically just put it in there

[reef notch]

I see thanks for the help! 👍

[open acorn]

oh, that seems simple enough, just finding the right set of objects and pasting it into the other map, then reloading the software

[paper bone]

just have to identify the models you want to copy

[reef notch]

Ooh that could work too

[regal bear]

If you use a tool that formats a JSON file it's easier to find stuff in the map file. Eg in Notepad++ there's a plugin called JSON Viewer which can format the file. It can also 'un-format' (compress) it again.

[reef notch]

🙃

[near parcel]

Trailmappers also has that built-in, you just need to enable it

[reef notch]

This worked better for me since I have to do it to multiple things rather than manually doing it in trailmappers

Also sorry bout the confusion before

[paper bone]

is it currently possible to spawn a arrow like this for a player?

[formal crane]

No -- but great idea and I cant believe it hasnt come up before!

[paper bone]

would be cool to have a function to display a arrow like this that points at a Position Vector you supply it with

[formal crane]

You can do a real nitty gritty one thats is spawned above the player structure using a custom mesh. Everyone would be able to see it though

[cinder spruce]

i have a problem where if an aircraft with a large amount of weld groups is moving at a high speed and is a far distance away from a player (a player in cinematic cam recording it) it does some funky things and looks bad. the only way to fix that is for the player position to be close to the plane. is there a way for player to be invisible so i can move the player near the plane while being in the cinematic camera?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252048392612216883/1259029022407524413/2023-12-21_16-04-24.mov?ex=668a31a6&is=6688e026&hm=e026be3552aa200bf2bbd935e3ecf1f95f8eb30550ea12099ce0a6043ac44157&

i kinda need this since im making a short film on this

(oh yea that footage was taken before the cinematic cam before and used custom missile mod with a camera to look at the target)

[formal crane]

Interesting problem; My gut feeling says that teleporting the player near the player shouldn't be interfering with the cinematic camera, but completely untested.
So worst case you could find spots to "hide" the player. I am not sure if anything exist out there for this problem at the moment though.

[cinder spruce]

it isnt that it is interfering with the camera, its just that i need the player in the camera to be in close proximity to the person flying without being visible on screen. im guessing this is caused by some sort of LOD system. having a second seat on the plane does work and fix the problem, but its hard to fit another seat onto 13 total very complex aircraft with very limited space

heres an example of a 2 seat aircraft at probably a further distance than the video above:https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071557404715647046/1248710018253983754/GifCapture-202406071447148010.gif?ex=668a3a14&is=6688e894&hm=7a3e7d7a75ebbd060a0f4174349fa7d96cf346a3737a1bb83e25d9c16219b281&=&width=683&height=385

[formal crane]

I did understand that 🙂
I am just not sure if you can teleport the player closer to the plane so this doesn't happen WHILE the cinematic camera is active for said player
And whether teleporting the player would break the cinematic camera for the player.

[cinder spruce]

i could test this but if the player is in first person would it keep them invisible in cinematic cam?

[formal crane]

snip.
misunderstood

I think it might. But maybe the airplane is close enough to something where you could just hide the player behind such that it is not visible to the camera?

I believe we have explictally always made sure to show the player when in cinamtic camera, also if you start in first-person camera.
I at least remember this being reported and fixed as a bug before it was released.

Alternative, teleport the player behind the plane from the persepective of the camera... Hopefully the plane is big enough to hide the player :p

[cinder spruce]

hmmm

is it possible to access the cinematic cam position and rotation?

also most the planes should be big enough

[formal crane]

No. But it looked like the position was fixed no? And you don't need the rotation. Just need to draw a line from the camera towards the planes position.

[cinder spruce]

yes i guess, but wouldnt you need to input the position of the camera every time you want to make small adjustments?

[formal crane]

Yes. I am just trying to work with the limitations. I can't come up with any other solution at the moment

If it is small adjustment and at long distance then I think your adjustment margin is alright.

[cinder spruce]

well i hope i can solve this problem soon but shouldnt be too big of an issue right now

[formal crane]

Alternative just teleport the player above/below the plane and fix it in post 🤷

Maybe johannes and the marketing team has some solution to the problem of jittering of far objects that I am not aware of.
Most of the team is on vacation the next 2 weeks mind you.

[uneven oyster]

thanks a lot!

[uneven oyster]

didnt expect it to be lua

[dapper jay]

the client side..... we yearn for the client side.....

[radiant lion]

i was unsure if setting the player to invisible worked since player visibility seems to be client side, but it works (at according to host pov, not sure about the rest)
so i made a little mod that teleports near the target while making you invisible, should be a decent fix

[paper bone]

is there a way to create an object with the name of a variable.
for example if i want to spawn a CustomObject that "belongs" to a certain player, can i name it something like "object_playerId" ?

[near parcel]

there is no good reason to do that, just store the spawned object reference in a table with a key for each player

[paper bone]

alr thanks

[paper bone]

does anyone have an idea what the problem here might be?

[near parcel]

what's at line 54 and 55?

[paper bone]

the playerData.cargoHandling = ....

[near parcel]

you are passing a function to tm.vector.Distance

[paper bone]

do i have to save the vector first?

[near parcel]

and trying to index the GetTransform function

[near parcel]

no, you have to call it

[paper bone]

i dont think i can quite follow you, how would that look like?

[near parcel]

add () after the function names

like in the first line

[paper bone]

ah ok yeah makes sense

[hoary skiff]

https://ninja.dog/hoEf0U.png

[paper bone]

why does it have problems with a null value?

[near parcel]

are you initializing all varaibles/table fields?

[paper bone]

yeah like up here

[near parcel]

cargohandlingp isn't initialized there

[paper bone]

doesnt it use 0 when there is no value at that position?

[dapper jay]

no lol

[near parcel]

no, it uses nil

[paper bone]

aw

so do i just use a or there then

[near parcel]

just initialize the field before trying to read it

[dapper jay]

whats this mod going to be?

[paper bone]

about Transporting different cargo around a map by land

and doing so in as little time as possible while also being gentle with the cargo

[dapper jay]

Ah cool

[radiant lion]

Can't check the logs rn, anyone know if you can do controller presses other than keyboard ones

If not then if there is any way to detect a repair that's not just checking for an r press

[open acorn]

I don't think mods can detect controller button presses

[open acorn]

iirc the game considers a structure in the builder while the repairing animation is playing, so possibly detecting if it's been in build for less than some specific amount of time (repairing animation is just under a second, so that'd work I guess)

[regal bear]

I did it in Repair Restrictor by checking if the player was out of their seat for a very short time.

[radiant lion]

I doubt, else the mod would be detecting them (it already detects when a player leaves build)

[radiant lion]

And I didn't want to have yet another check, but it seems I'll have to...

[regal bear]

It would nice if we had access to the game's repair 'event' 🙂

I think we may have asked for that a couple of years ago but it's probably fallen off the Dev's radar.

[radiant lion]

Ye, stuff like that and controller binds should have been asked a while ago

[regal bear]

Isn't there an old list of modder requests somewhere?

[radiant lion]

Yeah, but quite sure they ain't in there

[regal bear]

Damn. I guess they got lost in translation. Are you going to make those requests now?

[radiant lion]

I don't have a reason not to

Just need to find the channel

[formal crane]

#1123915629653667943

[regal bear]

Hey Frans - what about posting your list somewhere so that we can see what's already been requested? Might save you some extra hassle reading through repeat requests?

[formal crane]

Hi! What do you mean "your list"?
All the posts in there are intended as "the list". Every entry is a suggestion

The intention is that we delete the post or mark them as "implemented" if it has happened

[regal bear]

Ah OK. I thought you might have a compiled list which might include those features that were asked for before the big changes to the Discord server. I could be wrong but I though Simon used to collate them into a list back then.

[radiant lion]

There should be a pdf somewhere

I'd say look for terror's messages with a file attached

[regal bear]

Right - I did find this PDF that TerrorSoul posted in June 2022:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535786481214685194/988082251801702431/Trailmakers_Modding_Issues__Functionality.pdf?ex=668f3e0e&is=668dec8e&hm=7d3713baf1f892b2aa7a6904ff55cf3e7ddb4036be53b30187b572bd26388876&

That's probably what I was thinking of.

[formal crane]

I think we had 1-2 internal "passes" on fixing things in that document (and a I believe another one? it is a while ago).

It was hard to answer to specific points and request previously, so that's why we moved to a thread based solution where we could discuss and implement certain features 🙂

At this point, I would say, create a new thread for specific things you want to see as it is -- this is pretty much the place we go to when we looking to add more modding functionality.

[warm canopy]

Looking forward to more modding functionality 🙏

[warm canopy]

I recall Simon did also have a list a long long time ago, I think the pdf I made had some of the suggestions from that original list

[uneven oyster]

wait does lua not support object oriented code?

if not...

😢

[radiant lion]

You can

[uneven oyster]

HOW

are there classes?

[radiant lion]

Tables also act as classes

[uneven oyster]

ok

ill learn thos

im new to lua

(coming from C#)

[radiant lion]

Basically here you only have tables that act as arrays, dictionaries, classes...

[uneven oyster]

ill figure it out

why do we make mods in lua?

[radiant lion]

Easy to implement/learn, interpreter is real portable, fast

[uneven oyster]

also makes my life harder

[radiant lion]

I mean, they can't possibly add support for all languages

Someone will have to suffer

[uneven oyster]

i meant they could've just gone with C#

like unity

[radiant lion]

So gorilla tag mods are in c#?

(spied your profile)

[uneven oyster]

i dont like to talk about my old modding history

but all of unity is just C#

[radiant lion]

It says "if you have any questions I'll answer"

[uneven oyster]

😐

[radiant lion]

And c# is annoying cause compiled

[uneven oyster]

i like it..

[radiant lion]

Reasonable

[uneven oyster]

and im not trying to start a fight here but in my opinion i think object oriented code is pretty easy

[radiant lion]

There's nothing stopping you from doing it in lua

[uneven oyster]

k

[radiant lion]

It just also has a bunch more options

[uneven oyster]

k

[near parcel]

C# is also harder to learn for beginners, and much harder to embed into another program. The entire lua interpreter with its standard library takes less than 500KB of memory

[near parcel]

#1140936220487192587 message

[uneven oyster]

maybe an option would be nice!

[near parcel]

and much harder to embed into another program

[radiant lion]

Options are expensive in developer terms

[uneven oyster]

yea

also does anyone know the firerate of a minigun

preferably rpm

[uneven oyster]

so i cant change the fire rate of guns

but you can change the power of engines?

[near parcel]

correct

[radiant lion]

Yep

But you might be able to spawn bullets

[uneven oyster]

huh

it said i spammed

stupid dyno

you prob know this but anyone know how to make a delay

[hoary skiff]

so why exactly do the methods for getting keyboard input take in a string with the name of a global function as an argument?

instead of just a function?

[near parcel]

probably because they were among the first to be implemented and the devs didn't know you could just pass functions as arguments, i suggested changing it a while back (https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1134472573380468848) but i don't know how hard it would be to change without breaking older mods (easiest way would be with a new function, not sure how hard overloading the current one would be)

[hoary skiff]

why not allow a function or a string to be passed

wouldn't break old mods

[near parcel]

That's the overloading approach i suggested, but again, i'm not sure how hard that's to implement from the C# side

[kindred drum]

someone should make a mountain map that you can drive up and down

[hoary skiff]

given that trailmakers uses moonsharp and lua code only runs on the server it seems like it probably wouldn't be too hard?

yeah moonsharp supports overloaded methods

I'm making a lot of assumptions though, this is assuming it's implemented in the best way possible which obviously might not be true

[near parcel]

The problem is that i don't know how moonsharp/C# handle function overloading. Using tables for named (optional) parameters for example was surprisingly difficult to do because it forced functions to take any type parameters

[hoary skiff]

seems it does some "dark magic" (quote from the docs) heuristics to figure out which overload to call

moonsharp I mean, C# is more deterministic

Overloads

Overloaded methods are supported. The dispatch of overloaded method is somewhat a dark magic and is not as deterministic as C# overload dispatch is. This is due to the fact that some ambiguities exist. For example, an object can declare these two methods:

void DoSomething(int i) { ... }
void DoSomething(float f) { ... }

How can MoonSharp know which method to dispatch to, given that all numbers in Lua are double ?

To solve this issue, MoonSharp calculates an heuristic factor for all overloads given the input types and chooses the best overload. If you think MoonSharp is resolving an overload in a wrong way, please report to the forums or discord, for the heuristic to be calibrated.

MoonSharp tries as much to be stable with the heuristic weights, and in case of a draw of scores between methods, it always deterministically choses the same one (to provide a consistent experience among builds and platforms).

This said, it’s entirely possible that MoonSharp picks an overload which is different than the one you think of. It’s extremely important then that overloads perform equivalent jobs so that the impact of calling the wrong overload is minimized. This should be a best practice anyway, but it’s worth reinforcing the concept here.

[hoary skiff]

raycast direction is in euler angles

relative to what though

and in degrees or radians?

or something else?

[near parcel]

euler angles=degrees, but i don't remember the order used

[hoary skiff]

degrees relative to what, up?

[near parcel]

yaw/pitch/roll

[hoary skiff]

angle isn't absolute

[near parcel]

doesn't matter, because you can just interpret a rotation as a transformation that rotates your object by the given amount on each axis once you know its rotation when at (0, 0, 0) angles

[hoary skiff]

I don't know it's rotation when at 0, 0, 0 angles

it's a raycast

so degrees relative to what, up?

https://ninja.dog/dA16Zm.png

trailmakers map

ignore the bad code I was just trying to make something work

[near parcel]

#modding-archive message #modding-archive message

@radiant lion do you remember the order in which the euler angles rotations were applied?

[hoary skiff]

depth map of danger zone from the top

created using raycasts straight downwards

[radiant lion]

Y,X,Z

But honestly I thought raycasts took for direction a vector parallel to the ray

But if it says Euler then degrees, and go spawn a whale with trailedit, with a given rotation the ray will follow the nose

[near parcel]

yeah, i thought so as well, but it says euler angles in the docs

[radiant lion]

Sounds kinda stupid tbh

To use Euler instead of vector

[hoary skiff]

I think it has something to do with unity

the api is very similar to unitys api for raycasts so maybe that's how it is in unity

[radiant lion]

If you want i have a basic function that turns a direction vector into euler

[hoary skiff]

that would be great

[radiant lion]

(which probably unity also has, but idk if is included in lua)

[hoary skiff]

unity does I believe

just doing 160,000 raycasts rn

[radiant lion]

turns out my function is not too clean (it's TargetRot, with PosHun being an empty vector and PosTar being your direction vector)

you can delete any reference to PosHun if you want to not do 3 extra sums

[hoary skiff]

trailmakers doesn't like me doing 160,000 raycasts 😔

[radiant lion]

if you are just mapping the map you can probably do them in waves

btw how are you turning it into a pic?

[hoary skiff]

writing it to a file and then some shitting code with p5.js

not shitting code damn my hands

shitty code

[radiant lion]

ah, understandable

(image generation trough unity functions when?)

[hoary skiff]

might be possible to write a simple bitmap image writer or something

[radiant lion]

ascii moment

[hoary skiff]

game logic still frozen

hasn't crashed yet though

wonder if coroutines would help

[radiant lion]

(quite sure just reading a jpg and then re-writing it corrupts it)

[near parcel]

they wouldn't, they are still run in the same thread

[hoary skiff]

good to know

made a higher res version it took like 15 minutes to do all the raycasts

[sweet dove]

@radiant lion in your missile tracker mod, can't mines set off dynamites? It doesn't seem like it

I wanted to use a mine with a micro explosion to create a proximity trigger for a dynamite

maybe the micro explosion isn't enough to destroy the dynamite?

[radiant lion]

No, they can't directly

But putting mine near dynamite or in front of a sensor should work

[sweet dove]

When i say set off, i mean detonate with the explosion. But i think i found the problem: anything below a medium explosion won't damage the block enough to detonate it

Also, i didn't understand from the mod description. Is there a way to make the mod only react to other players, without using targets? Mines and trackers

[radiant lion]

You should have a "targets" menu, there you can choose who you want/not to target

So you can disable targets and leave players

[sweet dove]

got it, thanks!

[radiant lion]

AAAAAAAA, flying repair moment

i can check if the rotation remain constant for a moment, doable, but sure is annoying

i sure hope lag won't be lagging

AAAA, flying repair is too fast, i can't put it in my slow update

wth, not even the fast update can always detect it

[radiant lion]

and now it's just behaving nonsensical. when using vector equals it's fine, if i only use x it goes always false... even with a not in front... confusing

AAA, changed the == to ~= and it now at least gives different results, i give it a not so it acts opposite, and it once again breaks, always returning true this time

[radiant lion]

stuff keeps being nonsense, if i call it every frame i get like 15 repair checks on avarage, if i call at half speed i get like 2... if i'm lucky...

[regal bear]

OK well I guess my code is hugely inefficient as it just 'brutes' the job - not unexpected for my coding ability hehe. Last I checked it was working ~95% of the time but that was only with 3 players in the server, and possibly before the last update.

[radiant lion]

Ye, there wasn't air repair yet

[regal bear]

Ah yes true

The other thing I did was check for damage before penalising a repair. Probably adds more strain.

[warm canopy]

Feel like we are missing at times some core functionality for modding, hopefully the devs can catch up with the backlog with modding

[regal bear]

I agree. Fingers crossed they do manage to make it a priority to fill out the API and assets. It would be a win/win scenario for sure.

[radiant lion]

anyone messed with tm.players.SetCameraRotation()? it seems to just not work

[near parcel]

what's the issue?

[radiant lion]

correction, seems to work in some mystical way, these sure ain't euler angles

[near parcel]

iirc it's a direction vector

[radiant lion]

was just about to try that

would be real dumb tbh

expecially since raycasts use euler

and here having z would actually make sense

it is a direction vector btw

[paper bone]

I have no idea how it works, i just put random numbers till it points the way i want it

[dapper jay]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-fire-fnaf-3-ending-hospital-disaster-gif-1976739374427047349

[regal bear]

Is it a similar thing to the tm.players.SetSpawnPoint mysteries?
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1228861252457992272

[radiant lion]

Ye

But there at least having roll isn't important

[dapper jay]

scammed by the devs 😭

[jade ibex]

are there any mods that add a type of area 51 map in test zone?

[novel maple]

am i just schizo or did they move the dethrone island origin point before and now theyve moved it back? i used to have some issues with maps that covered up the island, but now they are as they were

[hoary skiff]

https://spidunno.github.io/trailtypes/

if anyone needs a way to search for individual methods and stuff in the trailmakers api this will probably help

it's for a different thing but it happens to have all of the definitions and docs for the builtin apis

[near parcel]

https://github.com/ALVAROPING1/Trailmakers-API-LuaLS/blob/master/library/tm-api.lua you also have this, which contains all the docs the game generates plus extra information about types/function parameters/integers used as handles/etc

[hoary skiff]

yeah you could search through that if you wanted instead, would probably work just as well

oh wait yeah mine has all of that stuff

[near parcel]

most of it will be the same if you used the trailmakers_docs.lua bundled with the game as a base (since i did so too), but i manually cleaned that afterwards and added more information nvm, you seem to have used my version as base

[hoary skiff]

yeah

(+ I cleaned it up a little for typescript)

[cold knoll]

Is it just me or do weapons ignore the block health set by block.SetHealth() I've tried both 0, 99999, etc and every combination, and weapons do not care at all
For all its worth the visuals seem to respect it (or just break)
Also it seems to bug when trying to set all colors on large creations

[dapper jay]

the health functions are borked

[cold knoll]

Is there expected to be a fix in 1.9?

why @warm canopy

[regal bear]

It's been brought up a few times so we can always hope. 🤞 With the new impact damage system coming in 1.9 they might be revising the whole block/structure health system. It would make sense to update the modding API then also. If they don't update the API then I imagine a lot more things could be broken after the update.

[cold knoll]

I was making an armor mod because I thought the block healths are stupid. Like i'm building a battleship that's massive and I can't afford to be shredded to paper

but turns out the block health is just ignored

except for impacts

for some reason impacts work fine

[regal bear]

Yep it used to work. My Super Strength mod used block health to make vehicles much stronger. Sadly that mod doesn't do anything now.

[cold knoll]

I was planning to increase the strength of blocks proportional to their size

[regal bear]

nice idea

[wet dagger]

Hey guys I'm a programmer who recently fell in love with trail makers. I was wanting to hopefully make new logic gates to expand on what we currently have. Does anyone have any resources for modding?

[near parcel]

mods can't currently add new blocks

[wet dagger]

I wonder if there's a way to override a block and bring up a GUI window to configure it

Cause I know custom missiles has its own menu

Would be awesome to add a timer block, etc

[near parcel]

there isn't, closest thing you can do is use color to store 3-4 floats worth of information. Other than that you can only add forces, change mass/drag/power (of engines/thrusters)/a couple more general things

btw, all blocks already have built-in timers

[formal crane]

Best resources for modding is in here and the wiki

.tmwiki Modding

[mint oxide]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Modding

[formal crane]

There is also a basic modding guide

.tmwiki basic modding guide

[mint oxide]

https://trailmakers.wiki.gg/index.php?search=basic modding guide

[cold knoll]

The most we can hope for for logic is that the ones in the artwork aren't just artistic license and actually new gates, because the testers are tight-lipped, and johannes is on vacation so he can't leak anything

[radiant lion]

Am planning to do that whenever we get access to block input/output

But we don't have that yet

[loud slate]

Custom logic blocks are something that I have an idea to make.

1. Save the logic type, connected output block indexes and input key to the colors with a bit conversion.
2. Use distance sensors as end gates to send the signals to the blocks you need.
3. Make an ui where you can just click the block to be connected with colored boxes that are ontop of the logic gates and show the type with 3d text.

Pros:

• More logic gates
• More compact
  Cons:
• Performance (maybe)
• Has to use in-game blocks as logic blocks

I have most of the bit compression methods already

[loud slate]

Which custom missiles?

[worldly ice]

jess' missile/tracker mod

[loud slate]

To my belief it doesn't have a custom menu only the built-in mod one

[radiant lion]

Ye, it's just the classic mod ui

[radiant lion]

Gonna ask here because I know it was mentioned, tho not really TM related

How were those 3d textures called? The one that vary based on world position

Those that stuff like camo paint uses

[cold knoll]

triplanar mapping

[radiant lion]

Thank you

[dusky dagger]

What do you put in mod directory when uploading a mod to the workshop?

I put the path there and it didn't do anything

[near parcel]

mods/mod_folder_name

[dusky dagger]

?

I'm bad with files lol

[near parcel]

theoretically you can use the full path to the directory, but there is little reason to bother when you can use the mods/ shortcut

[dusky dagger]

Uh

[near parcel]

take the name of the folder where your mod is, then write mods/ followed by that name

[dusky dagger]

Ohh

Thx

Yay! It worked thx

[final wave]

is it possible to overlay the layout of a map onto trailmappers to make it easier to build?

[open acorn]

custom model moment

[cinder spruce]

blender

[final wave]

aight thanks

[cinder spruce]

i made a race track really easily

like literally yesterday

[paper bone]

Is it possible to check for modGameObjects that a different mod has spawned?

[paper bone]

Didnt find anything that would work for that so i guess not

[dapper jay]

can you hook the function for creating them?

[cold knoll]

The only actual way i think can be used is raycasts, though it is possible it would be pain

[dapper jay]

well umm not really

raycasts return no info about the hit object(why?)

[open acorn]

they return the info about the hit object's hit point, normal, and distance from the raycast's origin
so I guess you could get objects with raycasts, that is if they exist or not, but it'd be very much confuse when other objects around it occur

[formal crane]

What information would you want to see? I presume collider?

[cold knoll]

Hi frans summons in general for you

[dapper jay]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1168904060733243412

[formal crane]

Cheers -- Covers it pretty well 🙂 I'll just answer in there.

[cold knoll]

Have the block health setting methods been fixed in the current build of 1.9?

Last i checked they simply do nothing but bug the visuals

[formal crane]

No fix for 1.9.

[cold knoll]

:(

so expect them to never be fixed?

[formal crane]

I doubt that they would never be fixed.

how do you english that sentence; I would doubt, if they never were to be fixed.

[dapper jay]

block health fix will come next update for sure 🙏

[cold knoll]

devs knew about this for a while now, I don't see why it couldn't come in 1.9

considering it did work before 1.8 I believe

[near parcel]

it broke in 1.7 because airborne changed how weapon damage worked. Modding has always been a low priority

[cold knoll]

I could see an option, instead of setting absolute block health, setting a block health multiplier might make it easier to integrate with the airborne damage changes. Similar to what the devs have already done with gravity

[regal bear]

Sadly I also feel that a large number of broken and buggy things in the API are never going to be fixed.

Some of them are 'day one' bugs so after 3 years... what hope is left?

I'd love to hear Flashbulb commit to fixing the API bugs and commit to a timeline for it too - but honestly, I don't expect that to happen.

[open acorn]

that is sad, but also very true
I feel like the bug of a mesh inverting around it's X axis fits this, as it likely will never be fixed either, as it'd break a few already existing mods containing custom models
(at least I think it's a bug, might not be, might've been intentional, for some reason)

[storm basalt]

we need a mod for this

[open acorn]

a 1x1x1 block? https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1200843077267501087

[cinder spruce]

with new logic update u can prob use the new 1x1 panel and surround a all sided pipe with those

[open acorn]

yeah might be possible

[dapper jay]

but thats larger than an actual 1x1

🤓

[regal bear]

A new version of Track Creator Plus is coming very soon. I've posted a new video in the TCP Mod's channel:
#1242291936715608205 message

[warm canopy]

Can we seriously look into the custom meshes again at some point, having to split terrain up into 1000 tiles is crazy

No amount of caching capabilities aint going to fix a inherently flawed implementation in its current state

This frustration comes from spending multiple days trying to create similar terrain polygon level as the games maps, I dont think its unreasonable to expect the game to handle a mesh that is a mb or two without the game freezing up, splitting the mesh up even into low poly 170kb tiles still causes lag spikes - some also due to the fact that the caching system seems to have some sort of lazy loading feature on the first load which is adding to this

[cinder spruce]

why does a simple 1024x1024 texture take about 10 minutes to load. ive made maps people play on and they didtn even realize stuff had custom textures until it finally loaded

making small changes in textures is a PITA cuz of that

[open acorn]

1048576 pixels
I mean it seems like a lot, but most games these days can load that in seconds

if only they redid the texture and mesh loading of mods, it wouldn't break any already existing, as it'd just be a new system for loading it, and the things being loaded will stay the same

[cold knoll]

I mean it takes a noticable amount of time for the api to load even 256 pixels, and that was a hellish amount of optimization for noiro's spherical planets mod

Also one thing i noticed is tm sends like 50x the amount of data than should be required to load a mesh, maybe they're using json to send it over? Would explain some of the lag

Even then its easy to do this shit right. Dunno about the networking, but creating textured meshes runtime shouldnt be an issue

https://catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/procedural-meshes/creating-a-mesh/

The code is MIT-0 licensed, so they could straight up rip this into the game with no consequences, other than better mods (i am not a lawyer)

[unique oriole]

Hey, I've tried to get a basic mod down and i was wondering how i can set the strength of an engine?

[near parcel]

call the .SetEnginePower(power) method of the block

[unique oriole]

How do i call this function for all the engines that are loaded?

[unique oriole]

Nvm

I might have it

Just wondering how i can get the block type that is selected if I have the Modblock

[radiant lion]

By block type you mean engine/thruster/ecc?

[unique oriole]

yes

So that i can only modify it if the correct block is selected

[radiant lion]

You have to go by names, there isn't a pre-made way

[unique oriole]

Alrighty

[radiant lion]

For example most thruster have Jet in the name, so you'd check for that (iirc tho the dlc ones don't)

[unique oriole]

Tyyy

Ill have a look

Ill ping you if i have questions

[radiant lion]

Sure

[unique oriole]

@radiant lion How do i get all blocks that are loaded?

[radiant lion]

you have to first go trough all creations "tm.players.GetPlayerStructures(playerId)" then through all blocks "ModStructure.GetBlocks()"

[unique oriole]

Thanks

I was looking for the GetPlayerStructures function

The documentation isnt amazing

[radiant lion]

yeah, it works if you already know what you are looking for, not really when you don't

[unique oriole]

Sorry, another question, when i call tm.players.GetPlayerStructures(player.playerId) and i try to itterate it it just throws a bunch of errors

[radiant lion]

To be more specific?

(it might be a pairs/ipairs problem)

[near parcel]

if you are using the auto generated documentation, you might want to take a look at https://github.com/ALVAROPING1/Trailmakers-API-LuaLS/blob/master/library/tm-api.lua instead which is a version i manually cleaned and improved to add more information and be easier to use for new players

[unique oriole]

Nvm

I did something dumb

[loud slate]

@unique oriole If you do a lot of block processing consider splitting the blocks into chunks and process them in those chunks (not having to process like 4k blocks every frame but split the work across multiple frames)

Especially getting the coordinates of the blocks is very expensive

[unique oriole]

I'll have a look, I might also check every 4th frame or something

But how could I do block processes most effectively

Split by structure or something?

[cold knoll]

Huh? This seems like an algorithm issue. It shouldnt be more expensive than just looking up the local position of the block and mulitplying it by the parent weld group's transformation matrix. Because that's all that needs to happen

[radiant lion]

If you just want to change engine strenght you can check it only once when the player repairs/leaves build

[cold knoll]

Block health methods still broken innit?

[radiant lion]

If you need to change that multiple times you can store only the blocks you need in a table

[stable sand]

do the mines for the missile mod work?

have them on medium and they dont seem to explode at all

[radiant lion]

Last I checked they worked, just make sure the mine is armed and the targeting options are set properly

[dapper jay]

yeah last i checked

[loud slate]

That's one way to do it

[loud slate]

Seems that Trailmakers is maybe doing some global calls when you call ModBock.GetPosition() For example the Modblock.GetName()
isn't that expensive to call compared to the GetPosition

[cold knoll]

It shoudn't be doing those global calls tbh

[cold knoll]

If a block knows its local position, and the parent weld group, those two and a matrix multiplication is all that'd really be necessary

[radiant lion]

It should be just directly linked to unity's transform.position

Which iirc by default is global

[cold knoll]

from my unity experience transform.position is relative to the parent node

[radiant lion]

Nope

.localPosition is relative to parent

[stable sand]

figured out the problem we chillin now

[cinder spruce]

they work fine on players, but have never detected targets/flare blocks since

is there some way to fix it, its really bugging me (pun intended)

[unique oriole]

I was wondering if it is possible to add blocks into the builder?

[warm canopy]

Nope

[unique oriole]

Thats a shame

is there any other way of adding things like 1x2 blocks?

[near parcel]

only hacky ways: spawn the "block" as a 3d object and manually move/rotate it to track the creation

[dapper jay]

and it cant be integrated into the game's systems soo

[cold knoll]

If you wish for an example, noiro's custom block mod exists. Its extremely hacky at best

[cinder spruce]

it would also ruin the concept of dlcs, people would just make any block they would want without any costs

[radiant lion]

It would be cool if they allowed us to select a size and a mesh and it would add said object to a new tab, but honestly i think it's low priority

Given just the general difficulty, requirements so you can choose where it connects and supposedly mesh position

[unique oriole]

I was thinking of making a shape tool so that wont work i fear

[unique oriole]

Not custom ones, just existing blocks

[scenic echo]

is there a way to see weld groups with mods?

[cinder spruce]

nope

[open acorn]

not directly, but you can use the slight offset from the grid in relation to other blocks to get roughly where a new weldgroup would be

[cold knoll]

You know what would be epic for cinematics? A blueprint to 3D model converter

[warm canopy]

It used to exist in the base game

[near parcel]

it was a quick hack, was unmaintained, and eventually stopped working correctly though

[radiant lion]

AAA, am hella confused

the "ModBlock.SetDragAll" seems to have some sort of permanent effect on all other blocks of the same kind

but extremely unreliable

[warm canopy]

That function has always been unreliable, we also can't reset back to default I dont think

[radiant lion]

mod ain't even active, i add a new one of said block, works fine,remove and add another, not fine

[radiant lion]

that's not the problem, i just wish it didn't have some sort of global effect that fucks everything up

video coming up, just need to make it discord compatible

[warm canopy]

The mods not disabling properly happens a-lot for me, I've had cases where a mod is actively running even though its disabled in-game

[radiant lion]

also not the issue, it would activate only on specific colors to begin with (it works properly, i logged the activations) and now it's also commented out

look, just nonsense

[warm canopy]

So many issues with the modding api

[radiant lion]

first time: no drag
second: tons of it
third: no drag
fourth: a bit

[dapper jay]

not to bash the devs but how do you screw that up

[loud slate]

The hot-reload feature is not working it leaves the mod running in the background. Try to reload a performance heavy mod like 5 times and you'll notice it.

[cold knoll]

Modding is very neglected in this game, even though its the main source of secondary content on steam. Prolly the reason its neglected is that it only works on steam

However, xbox games have had official(ish) mod support done in the past
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/02/20/paradox-mods/

[final wave]

How do you import a map into trailmappers? trying to work on my map after i reset my pc, but the directory doesnt seem to work

[cold knoll]

import it? you need to just put it in the correct directory

[final wave]

its in the mods folder, i just assumed that importing it would allow me to work on it

[cold knoll]

It should be in Documents/Trailmappers/Saves/Map_Name

[final wave]

aight ill try that

[cold knoll]

Both the map.json and preview.png

[final wave]

would i move just the folder?

[cold knoll]

if those are in the folder ye

[final wave]

all i see is the preview, not the json

[cold knoll]

if you've exported the map to trailmakers before, then the json will be in the mod files

[final wave]

i downloaded it from the workshop cause my pc was reset, so it hasnt been exported

[cold knoll]

Show ss of the entire folder
there should be this folder

This inside the folder is the map data

[final wave]

the data static is empty

[cold knoll]

ok, you're looking in not exactly the correct folder

[final wave]

oh that would be why

[cold knoll]

Steam steamapps workshop content 545820

then you need your mod ID

(as in steam content id)

open the folder

mine wont match yours

[final wave]

found it

[cold knoll]

Copy the map file into the folder, rename it to map.json

(the folder where your map files are in for trailmappers)

where preview.png existed

[final wave]

did that, its not showing up in trailmappers

[cold knoll]

it should be in the "yes" folder

[final wave]

it worked, thanks for your help

[paper bone]

U only need the map.json

[near parcel]

they deleted it themselves

[warm canopy]

Yeah I deleted it, since the caching feature was added the loading of actual meshes the first time is slower than it was before caching

[shadow iris]

deleted messages plugins are against discord tos

nuh uh uh

[radiant lion]

was there a specific channel for mod reposts?

can't confirm yet, but i feel like this is a copy

yep, identical files

[warm canopy]

Great, now it’s happening with mods

[radiant lion]

ye

i mean, there was that time where a guy uploaded the whole mods folder, but i think this is the first actual rip

(and maybe the complexity mods, there are plenty enough that some might be copies)

@open acorn

[near parcel]

probably use #workshop-reports

[formal crane]

I think I can clear, can you link?

EDIT:
Should've been removed now.

[dapper jay]

I think someone should make a mod

[frail galleon]

anyone know if trailmakers is moddable if the game was bought via xbox pc gamepass

?

[open acorn]

Trailmakers mods are only accessible/useable through the Steam version

[frail galleon]

darn

[regal bear]

Now another one! 😐 @open acorn

[cinder spruce]

same username too

[dapper jay]

I think this user should be on the receiving end of a thermonuclear explosion!

[lament arch]

does anyone know of any like relistic tank mods?

what is it?

also i was more looking for realistic tank cannons and stuff

[lament arch]

okay

[loud slate]

after 2 updates my mod will feature those

[dapper jay]

it would be so cool

[regal bear]

Of course it would be cool... you're a fan

[minor snow]

THOUGHTS?

(not finished)

[open acorn]

very though, much though

[minor snow]

missed a T

[open acorn]

very racetrack, would love to see how the terrain turns out

[minor snow]

do you know how to use grammar??

[regal bear]

Monza - nice 🙂

[minor snow]

ty

[open acorn]

I'm just being silly with words, I think I know how to use grammar, although I'm not quite sure if I do.

[minor snow]

ok

[minor snow]

rn im doing the v

[dapper jay]

umm i also made amogus twerk block...

i updated the script and now the game is stuck like this

oh oops accidentally tried using a 10k vertices model silly me

devs you really gotta fix the mesh importer because its just trash

[dapper jay]

even the 3k vertices model was freezing the game

[dapper jay]

issue circumvented

[paper bone]

When better mesh importer??

[dapper jay]

better mesh importer tomorrow

[paper bone]

Yipeeee

[dapper jay]

ive secretly been a trailmakers dev for 5000 years and i can confirm that this is 100% true

thats kinda cursed

good that it works though lol

[near parcel]

No? You are printing different values

[dapper jay]

im talking about how i can use nextId

[near parcel]

Ah, i thought it was related to the other image, but being able to use nextid inside the function is normal as well, that's how closures work

[warm canopy]

I think we need to start a crowdfunding campaign for a different mesh importer. Lol

[dapper jay]

I tried using the same model on 1.5, and the game handled the model flawlessly

seems like the mesh importer has jumped off a cliff since then

[formal crane]

Thanks. He had multiple other duplicate uploads.
I don't know if you already did; but remember to use the built-in report feature in Steam Workshop as well 🙂 It will be easier to track etc.

[dapper jay]

devs pls fix

[formal crane]

Could you send me the OBJ so I can attempt to replicate it?

[dapper jay]

10k model

its just the pirate anti air enemy's seat model

[formal crane]

When you say freezes, do you mean complete freeze and never continue, or big long pause until the model has been loaded?

[dapper jay]

from what i could tell it just freezes indefinitely
I only waited like 2-3 minutes, after that i just quit back to the main menu
(its really great how UI is handled separately)

[dapper jay]

this is the 3k model

[formal crane]

How you spawning the mesh, I have no issues?
This is with completely cleared asset mod cache.

Might have to try with the texture as well as they are usually much heavier in bandwidth.

[dapper jay]

i just use addmesh and the game dies?

[formal crane]

Could you send me the texture as well?
Maybe just send me the whole mod, just wanna be sure I am not missing anything obvious.

[dapper jay]

this is with the 3k model

all that happens is that i add the 3k model, nothing else

seems like it does eventually do something

nevermind

well here are the logs

[dapper jay]

i use the second one because the original was too big for the game

[dapper jay]

i tried again by commenting all the code out apart from AddMesh, same outcome

[dapper jay]

heres the mod, at line 207 you can adjust what assets the mod should load

[formal crane]

There we go. Now my game crashes as well. I am not sure what's going on with this mod, and I'll have to do some digging to figure out what is actually crashing here.
But yeah, didn't have any issues with the big nor small mesh and the small texture with the spawnadvmod. Could you maybe verify that it is the same in your end?

EDIT: or thats what you meant in the message above?

EDIT 2: Okey that 7MB dif.png texture is rather huge.

[dapper jay]

loading the bigger texture doesnt crash my game but it does take ages to load

and i cant load either of the higher poly models without the game dying

[dapper jay]

regarding edit 2, all of these assets are ripped from trailmakers lol
flak_base.obj
flak_seat_base.obj(3k vertices)
flak_seat.obj(10k vertices)
dif.png

flak_base is small enough to work fine, but I had to make simple versions of the other assets

[dapper jay]

finally finished loading, only took around 5 minutes

[dapper jay]

went back to 1.5 to see if the assets would work, but it seems like loading them all at once makes it freeze as well

alright this is weird
big texture - still takes ages
base - as quick as current day
base_seat - freezes the game
seat - works fine

loading base and seat together works fine

the obj importer has always been picky it seems, but it also seems to have been better?

idk man this entire thing is so weird

oh this is new
loaded just base_seat, and after some time it seemed to actually load it
but everything outside of the graphics is frozen, i can see the character playing the idle animation, but I cant move or anything
I clicked the spawn object button but nothing has happened yet

still nothing lol

[glass lake]

Does anyone know if we can mod custom blocks?

[near parcel]

not atm

[dapper jay]

sooon???????

block support tomorrow

[wet burrow]

can i ask here for like

uhh

a certain mod

and why it does work or why it works like it works

[dapper jay]

maybe

[wet burrow]

the custom missles mod

[dapper jay]

#1174457776601305118 ?

[wet burrow]

ig ill use that

if its even an active thread

[limber matrix]

is there currently a mod that gives fireworks damage, or if not is that even possible

[cinder spruce]

not possible unfortunatly

[open acorn]

not possible without some janky workarounds like calculating the trajectory and reload duration of the firework on the mod and having the person assign the input key they use for the firework

[limber matrix]

damn

[dapper jay]

it is big sad

[dapper jay]

does anyone know how to fix the spawn position?

if i spawn a crate or something it spawns where i want(directly in front of the barrel)

the blueprint im spawning is just a single dynamite

---@param rotation ModVector3 Euler angles defining the rotation
---@param vector ModVector3 Vector to rotate
---@return ModVector3 # Rotated vector
function GetVectorRotation(rotation, vector)
    local q = tm.quaternion.Create(rotation)
    local qInverse = tm.quaternion.Create(-q.x, -q.y, -q.z, q.w)

    local p = tm.quaternion.Create(vector.x, vector.y, vector.z, 0)
    local pRotated = q.Multiply(p).Multiply(qInverse)

    return tm.vector3.Create(pRotated.x, pRotated.y, pRotated.z)
end

function cannonShoot(pId)
    local cannonId = playerData[pId].cannonId
    if not cannonId then return end

    local cannon = cannons[cannonId]
    local rot = cannon.seat.GetTransform().GetRotation()
    local id = "cannon_projectile_"..projectileCount
    tm.players.SpawnStructure(pId, "projectile", id, cannon.origin + GetVectorRotation(rot, barrelPos), rot)

    local force = GetVectorRotation(rot, vec3_fwd) * 100
    for k, structure in pairs(tm.players.GetSpawnedStructureById(id)) do
        structure.AddForce(force.x, force.y, force.z)
    end

    --tm.physics.SpawnObject(cannon.origin + GetVectorRotation(rot, barrelPos), "PFB_Dispensable-BeachBall")

    projectileCount = projectileCount + 1
end

[dapper jay]

Carrying over from #general-trailmakers:
What does SetIsTrigger actually do?

Because this is not true

[formal crane]

It is one of the more cursed functionalities we have.
I would say the Docs are not good on that part.

It goes through all RigidBodies of the gameobject (and its children) and sets their isTrigger to whatever bool you set.

BUT there is a milion gotchas with triggers in TM and I would say this API does not take these things into account probably.
Using them to disable colliders I would argue against.

But it is currently the only way to toggle colliders (ish) that we have, hence why people use it for such thing.

[dapper jay]

idk what to say other than that it just does not work on anything

i have rigidbodies spawned and i cant pass through them no matter what i set

the only effect it seems to have is mess up seats

setting the rigidbody to be a trigger makes it into a jump pad but only if the player clips into it(doesnt matter what the player is set to)

mappers take note!!

for a moment you start falling through it, but then you get pushed out(player set to trigger, body set to not trigger)

if i set the player to not be a trigger it doesnt happen

[formal crane]

Yeah I cringe every time I see this 🙂
I believe this is more know to a few mappers at this point. But yes, SetIsTrigger is very broken.
And doing SetIsTrigger on the player sounds very cursed and I was under the impression that we had safeguards for that.

[near parcel]

you are passing through them, otherwise you would hit them and fall to the ground instantly. The problem is that they behave like one way floors: they always push you upwards

[dapper jay]

it would be neat to see some fixes to "quirky" functions like these

[formal crane]

There is a longer backlog of this. (Ex. see Custom Mesh issues, SetHealth/GetHealth, Loads of funkyness with UI, etc.). The list was much longer before and we have been slowly chipping away at it.

I am personally optimistic, but it is just a very slow process admittelly!

[warm canopy]

I just want to see some progress on the backlog/list as havent really seen much movement

With some things we even seem to have gone backwards

[radiant lion]

who was the guy that decided what we can do .Forward/Back/Left/Right for blocks and structures but not Up/Down?

i mean, i can do the cross product, but it's kinda stupid

[regal bear]

Haha yes I agree. I thought the same thing.

[regal bear]

Would it be simpler to have a new function to import a custom mesh with no collision by default? This might also allow us the option to use another (simpler) mesh as a collider object for that.

[formal crane]

I like the suggestion. The AddMesh function is more of a "add a resource to the asset bank" than "spawning stuff" so it would make more sense to have that argument for the spawn functions.

I do still think that SetCollision for GameObject should still be a thing, such that we can "toggle" things (Ex. doors, shields, etc.).

--
Something completely different; what is the process of uploading a mod to the workshop?

I checked out the wiki article on how to upload blueprints. Is it just the same? Does steamcmd upload all the files located together with the .vdf or do you need to add kind of files var or something to it?

[radiant lion]

It upload anything in the folder you tell it to upload, yes, if you only write "mods" it uploads the whole mods folder (at least a guy managed to do so a while ago)

[warm canopy]

I thought an error popped up if you put just mods, damn if that’s true I need to be super careful with uploading mods as my mods folder has 50 mods in it

[formal crane]

Just to be sure
I have a folder trailmakers/mods/mymod
In there I have a mymod.vdf - Do I even need this or is this just for metadata?
Then in steamcmd I simple type workshop_build_item trailmakers/mods/mymod or full path to the vdf required?

I would just like to know the intended practice, as I am having trouble finding proper documentation.

Second question; how is the mod tag given? Can you do that from the vdf or do you do it through web somewhere?

[radiant lion]

the intended practice is doing it trough the in-game "upload mod" button

which handles by itself giving the tag, doesn't need vdf, and applies the preview image if you have a file named "Preview.png"

[formal crane]

TIL.
My brain had completely filtered this button lol

Thanks, that explains a lot more!

[radiant lion]

yeah, it would be quite a pain having to use steamcmd for everything

[formal crane]

And how do you update the workshop item? Also using upload mod and simple use same title?

[radiant lion]

if you find your own mod in the in-game workshop (aka look for your uploads)

there is an update button

[formal crane]

Cheers!

[regal bear]

That makes intuitive sense but unfortunately all that does it upload the mod again as a new mod, even if it has an identical name 🤦‍♂️ It catches new (and old) modders out all the time lol

[regal bear]

Yes SetCollision would be a great way to do it 🙂

[dapper jay]

would SetCollision change the collision mesh or toggle the collider?

if its the latter, then just fix SetIsTrigger lol

[radiant lion]

@formal crane not sure if you know about it, but are you able to confirm that blueprints spawned by mods must have an onwer?

(which makes sense as an ease to add point of view, just annoying that a player could always just... press b when near it, also they despawn if you backspace)

[warm canopy]

Yeah they need to fix that so that the server can be the owner

[formal crane]

Yes, must be a player.

[radiant lion]

:(

[warm canopy]

Or just make it so we can assign a playerid that isn’t used such as player Id 8,9

[formal crane]

I am not the best to answer this; but it requires a player instance, as it uses the build system to spawn the blueprint. So requires some refactoring in order to spawn through server.

[radiant lion]

about what i expected

still annoying tho

[warm canopy]

The more I use the caching system the more I’m not that keen on it, it creates a huge lag spike/game freeze on the initial loading of a model

[radiant lion]

car moment

[cinder spruce]

is guy making friends with modding?

[sweet dove]

@radiant lion I've been experimenting with your custom missiles mod a lot, and I'm curious, what kind of things have you done with it? That are more complex than sticking an eyeball onto a rocket and making it track

I've been trying to get a cruise missile thing working, putting an eyeball on a weak setting between distance sensors, to have gyros turn a bigger thing

[radiant lion]

Not really, just a pid that turns/moves the eyeball, then you have the targets, flares and mines

[sweet dove]

I figured you'd have made something different with it, besides it's original purpose

[paper bone]

Sareth and Mr Nothing have made a camera rig that follows players

[radiant lion]

I mean, it's still mostly that, pointing players, missiles, turrets, bombs, the mines are so missiles can explode when near a player... Drag block doesn't work, but was also a missile useful block

[cinder spruce]

was the original plan for the film on how to track planes

[paper bone]

how can i despawn a players structure?
both of these dont work and give the same result

[near parcel]

tm.players.DespawnStructure() is for blueprints spawned by the mod itself, for others use ModStructure.Dispose() (instant despawn) or ModStructure.Destroy() (destroy all blocks)

[paper bone]

ok thanks

[loud slate]

Is it only me or is the ModBlock.SetPrimary/SecondaryColor broken?

[radiant lion]

If the missile mod still works then the function works

Remember that the color goes from 0 to 1, not 0 to 255

[paper bone]

@formal crane sorry for the ping but, i was wondering if we could get an update regarding this.
Can we expect to see improvements and additions to the modding api like this in 2.0?||(or maybe even before 2.0?)|| Or will there be minimal changes to the api in 2.0?

[dusty umbra]

No mayor modding changes planned for "2.0" (next update)

[radiant lion]

Minor....?

[dusty umbra]

Bugs etc are always in our backlog to fix, but we haven't planned any new functionality as we are focusing on content for all platforms.

[edgy trench]

https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1279044523086970911

[cinder spruce]

hmmm

not again

[shadow iris]

min rift font woeieeeieie so fanhciieiiiiiiii

[open acorn]

smallmakers moment

[dapper jay]

ratmakers mod

[tall lava]

Lol

[open acorn]

why isn't there a way to add torque, or atleast rotational force to structures, eh probably could do it from the seat anyways, still strange

[ember sparrow]

Does anyone know why my game crashes when I change the power of a thruster with the custom missiles mod?

It wasn’t crashing before but just wouldn’t change it to the speed I set, it would set to -614.567 or something

[open acorn]

the devs accidentally screwed up the setting of colour on engines and thrusters (it broke in 1.9.1 due to attempts at optimisation, as I've heard)

[ember sparrow]

oh damn

is there anyway to fix it?

[open acorn]

for the devs yes, for us no

[thorny sparrow]

The crash from doing that is new to us. Send Error Logs from when it crashes so we can see why. We are only aware of the thrust value not storing correctly and the colour not changing.

[cinder spruce]

i mean the mod itself has been crashing a lot more recently just due to how big its been getting, could be unrelated

[cinder spruce]

there is currently an issue where objects like thrusters are not properly being colored with mods, the thruster being -614 could be if you created a thruster a long time ago before a certain update to make all values negative instead of positive

[dapper jay]

hi chat is anyone making a mod

[open acorn]

no

are you?

[cinder spruce]

moddig has felt dead for a bit now

[open acorn]

somebody should make more mods

and we need modmakers 2 stream

[dapper jay]

no lol

the most ive got are random unfinished ones

[dapper jay]

Block Behaviour - Attach custom behaviour to blocks, for example press space to spawn crates
Creation Grab - Grab creations and throw them
Delivery Quest - Dialogue and quest system test
Flak Cannon - The pirate Flak Cannon enemy but as a useable entity
Handheld Tools - Tools that the player can hold, a pistol for example
Nuclear Bomb - Sawn bombs that create big booms

[warm canopy]

Lack of modding functions and broken modding functionality sort of kills the spirit

[stuck peak]

✅

[dapper jay]

someone managed to upload their mod folder again

[loud slate]

I would make my RWM but the devs fucked around the coloring so can't even develop it until the problem isn't fixed

[paper dove]

(for the missile mod) It'd be cool to have like a lofting system for the missile mod, i know the math would be pretty complicated which is why im saying that this should only be taken as a suggestion not a neccesary feature, but itd be cool to like have a part of the menu to where when modifing the seeker head theres the additional option of "Lofting: on/off" then you would like insert the burn time and power of the missile's engines and it would calulate what angle it needs and what not, i know it wouldnt have much of a purpose but itd add some realism for more modern missiles, im actually not even sure if this is possible tbh.

[cinder spruce]

u could post this on https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1174457776601305118, thought it seems pretty complicated and the mod is getting to a point where its too complex and unstable

[loud slate]

I can add that to my mod tho

[formal crane]

For a while been trying to find time to just do some basic Lua stuff just to keep the familiarity up.

I realised the other day that I had never released anything on Steam Workshop, so I put this little utility Vote kick mod up.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3314359544&searchtext=votekick

[dapper jay]

oh thats neat

[open acorn]

messing around with a 4D spheres mod and decided to make them float, but after adding a decent amount (a lot of them) they all seem to sink, is there a limit to how many objects can have a force applied to them at once? I assume so from what I'm experiencing here, as everything else seems to work fine, and it isn't spitting any errors

[dapper jay]

do rigidbodies not float on water?

[warm canopy]

Nope

[open acorn]

yeah they don't, so I have to apply the buoyancy and drag forces seperately

[dapper jay]

well that sucks

[dapper jay]

the game probably just gets overwhelmed cuz something