General modding chat

[dapper jay]

trailmakers girlfriend mod when

[median cobalt]

Airborne parts were updated, reuploading list

Accurate and includes Airborne DLC Blocks now

thanks to @volvobomb aka VVB for quickly hopping into a multiplayer server to get all the block info

[dry sentinel]

You're amazing

[median cobalt]

Soo i looked at some of the forums related to the smoothness of cameras not existing

Why is that? Does a smoothed vector not cause correct movement or

Is it due to the current way it gets synchronized to players

[dry sentinel]

Whatever it is, it definitely needs to get fixed 🪦 my spectator camera is brutal without preset positioning of the camera, and speed adjustments

[near parcel]

it's because you can only set its position/rotation, which changes it instantly without interpolation due to the camera not being a physics object

[blissful jolt]

Just lower your graphics

[median cobalt]

Wait why dont people just interpolate manually then

[median cobalt]

Also for the lagging behind you could just

Add velocity to position a bit

Like source's cl_interp and cl_predict

[median cobalt]

rq what does this return
tm.UICallbackData

[near parcel]

Nothing

[near parcel]

Because you can't

[dapper jay]

why not

[formal crane]

You cannot do client-side code, so you cannot make sure that the camera position is interpolated according the the client pc's framerate -- it will always be serverside, and then ending up being somewhat choppy as it will always be teleported on the client-side.

We haven't had the time to investigate this problem yet, but I agree that this is not ideal!

[median cobalt]

wait why does it exist then

[near parcel]

it doesn't, it's just an artifact of how the official documentation file is (incorrectly) formatted

that line should just be local UICallbackData = {}. You don't get it by accessing the tm global table, you get objects of that class as the argument in UI callback functions

[median cobalt]

also curious why that is impossible, when you could initialize the camera and at the same time send the vector information to a stored value

[near parcel]

^

[median cobalt]

i have no idea how often camera updates are sent to the client though

at most

[near parcel]

at best you can get 60fps movement, but that won't be syncronized with the client (even if that client is also at 60fps). If the client is running at more than 60fps, you see the sudden changes as the position/rotation updates without interpolation

[median cobalt]

h

how large is the lag

is it corresponding to the actual latency from sv to cl or

even larger

there might be a way to work around latencies if one had access to server to client latency

[near parcel]

again, that's not your only issue.

[median cobalt]

what else should i consider then

[near parcel]

at best you can get 60fps movement, but that won't be syncronized with the client (even if that client is also at 60fps). If the client is running at more than 60fps, you see the sudden changes as the position/rotation updates without interpolation

[median cobalt]

if the client runs more than 60fps the interpolated information shouldnt be that choppy unless having to interpolate two far vectors

i do know that this might be an issue for the freecam workover

as if you get too fast youll definetly just lag alot

maybe ill pause dev on that one until modding updates

also i hope we get text alignment flags

PLS

[formal crane]

#1123915629653667943 please ❤️

make some request, so we can create proper discussion and keep track of them and collaborate with you all on it

[median cobalt]

oh

oh neat

[formal crane]

it is a good way for us to prioritise features as well, as we can both see how much people want them and discuss implementations and designs of them

[near parcel]

you don't have any interpolated information. You set the position/rotation on some frames while you don't in others. As a result, you will see the camera suddenly change on the frames you set the position/rotation and stay perfectly still on the others, leading to the choppiness. There is no way currently to prevent that

[formal crane]

and also, please try and follow the proposal template 🙂
https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1123939608464457788

@median cobalt i just assigned you modder role so you can post in there as well

[median cobalt]

thank you

[median cobalt]

oh no i was talking about using recursive interpolation to drive the camera position

[near parcel]

again, you can't do interpolation currently, in any way. You don't have access to the client's fps

[formal crane]

unfortunantly, you might 1 frame get a position from the server that is let us say 20ms behind and then you experience some random lag and then you get the next position and maybe thats 60ms behind.

it is impossible to counter this

[median cobalt]

ohhh so we have actual tick lag

i thought it was just ordinary latency

[formal crane]

i was mainly talking network latency

[median cobalt]

so all ticks are uneven in that case

[formal crane]

I don't remember if the mod updates run in fixedUpdate or engine update.

[near parcel]

it's not only latency. The duration of 1 tick in the client and server aren't necessarily the same either, and in the rare case in which they are the ticks aren't necessarily synchronised

[median cobalt]

im guessing this would not work as intended then

(wanted to add angle but already realized what the forums said so i didnt want to try more)

[near parcel]

no, because that interpolates server side. The client will still see choppy movement because the amount of interpolated positions won't match the amount of frames in the client for the duration of the movement

[median cobalt]

aight well, knowing the current state of modding altogether i think were asking too much of the current features anyways

it isnt as extensively modifiable as the lua im used to

[open acorn]

movement has been disabled

[open acorn]

attempting to move objects around player

4th crash of the day

[open acorn]

it is much more stable now (also correct speed)

[median cobalt]

when adding meshes, how accurate is the hitbox applied to it

[median cobalt]

how to get infinitely large worlds in singleplayer: just move everything around you lol

[near parcel]

except that only works in singleplayer, in multiplayer attempting to do that quickly becomes a mess

[open acorn]

[median cobalt]

what function should i use when i want to spawn in a static mesh?

[dapper jay]

either the normal or concave one

[median cobalt]

I just found out the tri limit is not per mesh but global

I guess no building of actual full on maps

Does that also apply to prefabs.. Or

[dapper jay]

there's a tri limit for custom models?

[median cobalt]

Apparently

Go over it , softcrash

Not even 30k tris

I tried to load a whole 330k but it didnt even load chunk 1

[dapper jay]

damn that sucks

meanwhile some sm modders be making a 30k tris model for a 3x3x3 block 💀

almost 40k actually

[open acorn]

||definitely me at times ||

[open acorn]

😕 I have always found it to be per mesh, all of my meshes in total for a mod I've been making (space expansion) have a tri count of 52,195

[warm canopy]

The games built-in mesh importer sucks, I’ve said this before, No offence to the devs.

[median cobalt]

yea i tried to make a high detail map

dont work out too well

a 5km² map with 330k just for the base ground seemed too large

[open acorn]

why use so many triangles? it's only 5km^2, it doesn't need 330k tris, if you need to scale a texture and have it tile just scale the uv map, and places where it's flat just don't have as many triangles

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1151268833613590548.gif?size=48&name=dies&quality=lossless

[median cobalt]

why so many triangles? because i prefer to not have polygon hitboxes which span 400 metres between vertecies

[open acorn]

this (a text gui being added with a directory that doesn't exist as it's default value) will "lock" the game until you reopen the world, disabling the mod does nothing, might post this in #bug-reports later or maybe it's because it's a directory to a non-existing workshop item be dead, assumption!

[dry sentinel]

It’s because the string length is past the set limit I think

I know if you use a string that’s longer than some predetermined limit for UIText, the game crashes

[open acorn]

game didn't crash for me

[dry sentinel]

I’m running on wine, so that might cause the crash

I’ll give it a check tomorrow though, might be a whole different bug you’ve found

[near parcel]

UI text is never interpreted as anything other than text, so it's irrelevant whether it is a directory or not

[open acorn]

ah so it's just length of the text? didn't check that

[honest mauve]

is there a mod for unlimited complextiy

[near parcel]

Yes, but the limit exists for a reason

[open acorn]

velocity vector arrow

[regal bear]

That's very cool.

[swift escarp]

That alone as a mod would get you into the hall of fame. I can never tell which way I’m actually going with my creations

[open acorn]

It should be on the workshop under the name "Velocity Vector"

[swift escarp]

Yay

[open acorn]

2 of the same prefab in the spawnables list

[open acorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWvlhFowwq0

[dusty umbra]

u wut m8

[pliant bluff]

Mod

[dapper jay]

modom

[pliant bluff]

Modomod

[open acorn]

I thought there were 4 skeletons, but they're just duplicates of the previous ones

[shy sand]

i cant code but is anyone willing to make a mod that nukes all builds? (for host only)

[open acorn]

should it launch an (almost) photorealistic nuke at their builds or just explode them?

[shy sand]

screen flash(optional) and just delete/explode

sorry for late reply

[open acorn]

just delete them?

  if player.playerId == 0 then
    tm.playerUI.AddUIButton(player.playerId, "deletebutton", "'nuke' builds", DeleteButton, nil)
  end
end

function DeleteButton(playerId)
  for i, player in pairs(tm.players.CurrentPlayers()) do
    if playerId ~= player.playerId then
      for j, structure in pairs(tm.players.GetPlayerStructures(player.playerId))
        structure.Dispose()
      end
    end
  end
end

tm.players.OnPlayerJoined.add(onPlayerJoined)```

[shy sand]

(the builds)

but that would be funny

[open acorn]

what? that script adds a button for the host that despawns all builds except the host's

[shy sand]

oh ok

im not smart in coding

thats great then :3

[open acorn]

🤔 hmm, deleting players?

[shy sand]

if you do make this, seperate button pls

XD

@open acorn is the mod easy to make?

or no?

just wondering?

[open acorn]

go to your trailmakers installation folder, then the folder inside called mods (or go ingame, go to session settings, and click on open mod folder) then make a new folder (with the name of your mod) then inside that folder create a text file, and if extensions is not enabled, enable that, then call it "main.lua" then paste in the code above (that is the script, the code is just an example for a script to acheive the desired effect)

[shy sand]

oh ok

have you tested the mod?

[open acorn]

no, but it should work

[shy sand]

would you be able to test it?

or are you just going to upload it?

[open acorn]

I'm not going to upload it, unless I decide to make it launch an almost photorealistic nuclear missile and have an almost photorealistic nuclear explosion with accurate scaling

[shy sand]

sure lol

[warm canopy]

You know my server utilities has a delete structures button

[median cobalt]

this is gonna be a far fetch on how i imagine mods to be but

the peak moment for trailmakers modding would be a real full on large map with a capture-territory gamemode in which creations use up a fictive resource dependant on their complexity and can be spawned only on terminals on buildings owned by the territory

the amount of things lua modding can do is insane and i hope we can get to this kind of stuff

even tho thats very far fetched for now

[near parcel]

all of that it's already possible in some way

[median cobalt]

well i still have to figure out why the models didnt want to load in

wait-- do models crash when theyre only pure planes

maybe that was part of the issue

[formal crane]

really shouldn't. Just a basic quad you are trying to load?

You only have to add a mesh a once of the duration of the server life. Then the server will automatically ensure to upload that to the other clients as they join.

Ensure you key them uniquely. Otherwise things will break as you try to add a mesh under the same key as another resource. I believe textures & meshes share same resource key names, so also be careful there.

[cold knoll]

What are the prefab names for The logic-related sensors (Distance sensor, Angle Sensor, Speed sensor, Angle sensor, Compass)?

[dry sentinel]

I don’t think we have prefabs for the blocks (though I wish we did)

[cold knoll]

I want the names, so I can modify their behavior (analog sensor mod)

[regal bear]

Prefabs don't include any of the build blocks. As far as I'm aware mods can't interact with the logic blocks in any way. You could possibly build an analog sensor mod yourself that is based on the player character but it would not be able to be directly added to builds.

[open acorn]

Offroad Wheel's internal name is "PFB_StandardWheel [Server}" (" [Server]" is just added due to it being server side code iirc), I think ???? meant something like that but for the logic blocks, for getting the name of a block.

And yes, you cannot modify or get the input/output of logic blocks, nor what is connected to them.

[open acorn]

PFB_DistanceSensorBlock [Server]
PFB_AngleSensorBlock [Server]
PFB_SpeedSensorBlock [Server]
PFB_AngleSensorBlock [Server]
PFB_CompassSensorBlock [Server]
@cold knoll

[open acorn]

🤔 might try to make this (saved in 2 separate parts, and modded blocks can only interact with other modded blocks and the seat (and the structure itself) (simple enable and disable keybinds if connected or not), though it'll need a new build system )

but for this I need to figure out a way to convert local co-ordinates to global around a rotation and back (I have basically everything I need for the rest of it in separate mods)

don't say this is impossible, as I've simplified it to a degree that should be possible

[open acorn]

very fast torpedo

hmm, custom objects are magnetic

[open acorn]

tm.input.DeregisterFunctionToKeyDownCallback(playerId, functionName, playerId)
and tm.input.DeregisterFunctionToKeyUpCallback(playerId, functionName, playerId) where?
or is there some other way to deregister a key to a... nvm I just realised I could check if a value was true in the function

[near parcel]

You can also replace the function with an empty one, since you just pass the function name as parameter rather than the function itself

[radiant lion]

Iirc it will just call both in that case

[near parcel]

it shouldn't, since there can't be 2 different global objects with the same name

[median cobalt]

Well when i was trying to load the map chunks theyre tesselated basic planes with no thickness and tried to load it with a hitbox so

[formal crane]

@median cobalt @radiant lion and I were testing it out some time ago (#modding-archive message) where we were writing procedural OBJs to the dynamic folder data and then loading again at runtime - it was just plain quads with no thickness pretty much.

I see in the mentioned posts that normals were required, do you have them? I believe you also had to define the UVs as well, but can't remember right now.

Otherwise, maybe try and post a sample OBJ + code, then we can look a little deeper. Otherwise it is a little hard to know where the issue might be.

[median cobalt]

When microsoft lets me back in ill get to it

[cold knoll]

Noooooo!!!!! All I needed was to change the output strength of logic blocks so their output depended on their measured value (etc)!!!!!

[dusky dagger]

What does mod directory mean when uploading a mod?

[shadow iris]

folder of the mod, aka like mods\Example\

folder directory should include the folder where main.lua is stored as well

[dusky dagger]

i put in the folder name and its still not wokring

o i got it nvm

thx

[radiant lion]

too bad we can't do the same with pictures, being able to access steam's texture library would be very handy for that... just saying

(as well as the option to make 3d object out of triangles directly, would skip the annoyingly long loading times)

[near parcel]

good luck writting a png/jpg encoder, it would be far better to just have APIs to create simple textures/objects (solid colors/gradients/geometric shapes/etc) at run time

[radiant lion]

wasn't thinking about making encoders, just procedurally generated textures, for that we can use the API we have rn

[near parcel]

you can only load png/jpg files as textures, so whatever texture you generate at run time currently will have to be encoded as a png/jpg to be able to load it (unless you use a completely separate program to procedurally generate all the textures, in which case it's the same as any other texture)

[dusky dagger]

my trailmapers map eddit isnt loading, any idea why?

[dusky dagger]

it gets stuck on this screen and i cant do anything

[radiant lion]

Which is where unity comes in handy, no encoding or anything, you just create a texture2d of given pixels and then set each pixel one by one, should be that simple

[near parcel]

that would require a new API to create the objects at run time, which was my point, although i didn't know unity supported setting the pixels one by one (which was why i suggested simple things that can be created with a few simple parameters and maths, since that's usually supported)

[radiant lion]

Been a while since I used unity, but I remember using it to make a transparency gradient by setting each pixel, lemme see if I can find it back

[radiant lion]

yep, can find the resulting textures (one of them, where the alpha gets increased by 1 for each pixel) unfortunately i must have deleted the cs script (what a moron)

found it, this is it if you are interested

    public void MakeTexture()
    {
        Texture2D tex = new Texture2D(3, 256 * 2 - 1);
        Color color = new Color(0, 0, 0, 0);
        for (int i = 0; i < tex.width; i++)
        {
            for (int l = 0; l < tex.height; l++)
            {
                float New;
                if (l < 256)
                {
                    New = l / 255f;
                }
                else
                {
                    New = (tex.height - l) / 255f;
                }
                color.a = New;
                tex.SetPixel(i, l, color);

            }

        }
        byte[] Png = tex.EncodeToPNG();
        File.WriteAllBytes(Application.dataPath + "/Image2" + ".png", Png);
    }```

[open acorn]

block moves with creation, just slightly offset from the original position, but that shouldn't be a problem

[open acorn]

why does rotation opposite except Y? probably another weird thing with euler angles, though it won't work correctly with quaternion either, maybe I'm also doing that wrong 🤷‍♂️

[dry sentinel]

Interested to see where this goes.. I’ve been thinking of trying custom blocks for a while, so it’s nice to see someone actually give it a good shot

[open acorn]

what a weird thing: you have to multiply quaternions to add them together, and it definitely works now

[open acorn]

ok it now better

[near parcel]

Yeah, same thing happens with complex numbers and 2D rotations

[open acorn]

ModBlock has same rotation returned by GetRotation as it did outside of build mode, should probably get fixed, but not that annoying of a bug

[radiant lion]

We already talked about this, use .forward

And .right

I can share the code to get the Euler angled given those vectors if you need

[open acorn]

I already have a function that does that, thanks though, I didn't know forward and right didn't have that issue

[radiant lion]

Btw I think it's right, I know we only have access to 4 of the direction vectors, just not sure if the vertical or the left-right axis

Still, you can get the last one with a cross product, so not a big issue

[radiant lion]

could someone confirm me this is the current version?

i can't find any multiplayer servers

verifying file integrity brought nothing

[near parcel]

it is the current one

[radiant lion]

any guess why no servers then?

[near parcel]

i can see 9 pages of servers in the server list in that version

[radiant lion]

any guesses?

[near parcel]

you are on the development backend, remove any launch parameters from steam

[radiant lion]

oh, makes sense

[dapper jay]

is there like a -dev launch param?

[near parcel]

yes, but it only makes sense to use it if you are either a dev or playing on a closed beta and you are requested to use it

[open acorn]

melvin rotate like this in build mode (incorrectly) and melvin rotate like this outside of build mode (correctly), I am using .forward and .right and a cross product into euler angles then into a quaternion for rotation, and outside build I'm just using the structure and block rotation added together because I know it works, what could be the issue then?

[open acorn]

how do I get if a reference to a ModBlock isn't set to an instance of an object? checking if it's nil does nothing (it's never nil) and checking if one of it's values (eg. GetPosition()) is nil doesn't work either (error waterfall), neither does checking if it's type isn't userdata (it's always userdata)

I need to get if it is not set to an instance so I can correctly remove blocks from structures that don't exist or make their rigidbodies non-static

[near parcel]

You can try .Exists(), but i don't think there is a good way to know other than catching the error

[cold knoll]

I think unity has a function that just converts those vectors into a quaternion.

[near parcel]

yeah, if you pass a vector3 to the API quaternion constructor it automatically converts euler angles, which is most likely what they are doing

[open acorn]

.Exists() worked perfectly, thanks

some sort of build mode thing started (just position, select and add for now)
(although everything is relative to the first block of a structure)

[open acorn]

I ❤️ the differences between build mode and outside build mode with positions, rotations, ect.

[near parcel]

that's probably because outside of build mode you are getting the position/rotation of the weld group the blocks are in rather than of the specific block

[open acorn]

I might just have to make a new builder for custom blocks, probably won't have as many problems that way

[near parcel]

you will, because there is no good way to do them currently. Many things simply can't be done

[dapper jay]

this is dumb

[radiant lion]

Iirc you used two different ways for calculating position inside and outside, couldn't you use the outside one for both? That can probably solve it

[open acorn]

I used the same way of calculating position inside builder as outside, that was rotation, I simply inverted the outside position which seemed to work most of the time (it was inverted in builder)

[open acorn]

quaternion math is funny

[radiant lion]

Truer words were never spoken

[dapper jay]

❤️

[open acorn]

.Exists() just happened to stop working (always returning true now)

[open acorn]

I fixed this, apparently they're locally based or something with the angle axis multiplication

[near parcel]

You just need to think of a quaternion as a rotation from a given starting rotation to a new one, and quaternion multiplication as composition (performed right to left iirc)

[shy sand]

how does the custom missiles mod work?

just wanted to test it out, but idk how to use it

oh nvm

in dumb

[paper bone]

why does this only set the time once but log the message every tick?

[warm canopy]

Because update runs every frame

It’s also setting the time every frame

[paper bone]

but when i change the time of day in the session options the mod doesnt change it back

[warm canopy]

It works the first time?

[paper bone]

yeah when i start the mod it works

[warm canopy]

Have you tried toggling the daylight cycle or whatever it’s called. Perhaps the host settings take priority over mods but seems like a bug

[paper bone]

no havent tried that

[paper bone]

like this?

it seems to not change anything

[warm canopy]

Sounds like a bug then, it’s not something I’ve messed with yet

Have you tried just adding to the time and not changing host settings, does it work then?

[paper bone]

i now have tried to do this, it detects the difference and logs it but doesnt change the tod

[paper bone]

that works

[warm canopy]

Sounds like a bug then

[open acorn]

once you set time of day it doesn't need to be set again until you want to change it to something different

[paper bone]

But shouldnt this work then?

[near parcel]

do you have the daylight cycle enabled in session settings when it doesn't work?

[paper bone]

I dont remember but i probaply did. Tho i wont be able to check for the next few hours

[open acorn]

ideas on how I could shift a local position to be relative to a different block in the structure without changing world position (outputs different local position but gives same world position, whereas with the same local position it would be offset by some amount)? (local position is relative to rotation and position, just with an offset, like if you parent an object in blender, the objects local position stays the same but the world position does not if you move and rotate the parent)

[near parcel]

Subtract the vector from the previous origin to the new origin from the position vector

[open acorn]

how does one get a ModBlock's rotation and position when rotated or moved outside of build? (moved on piston, hinge, ect.)

[near parcel]

If the get position/get rotation methods don't return the updated values, you can't

[tulip bloom]

Hello

I am having issues downloading mods onto TM, any help?

Specifically, mods do not show up in my mod menu or even my mod directory after downloading mods

[near parcel]

make sure you are scrolling the session settings window, there are 2 scroll bars

[tulip bloom]

Well, that worked

Thanks alot, lol

[dapper jay]

neutral face emoji

[midnight yacht]

Is it possible to add items to the game with mods?

[near parcel]

No

[open acorn]

I think this is a little too much detail for a 1 km^2 piece of terrain

decimate on a plane looks.. triangular

[radiant lion]

Tm will definitely not like that

[open acorn]

I think this is better terrain quality for a 1km^2 tile: 1,919 verts

[open acorn]

mesh importer is weird, it doesn't like 9 tiles in 1 file, but it likes 9 tiles in 9 files, even loads faster

[sweet cosmos]

looks nice

[sweet cosmos]

"A"

[open acorn]

ping

yes

🅰️

[sweet cosmos]

pong

[warm canopy]

Request timed out.

[open acorn]

ping

[open acorn]

fire as a prefab when?

tried scaling the ring of fire down to 0 (thought it might bring all fire to the center) but it didn't do anything except make the ring shape less visible

flamethrower effect just throws the flame

[pliant bluff]

Crazy

[open acorn]

and EpicJumpSequence did what I wanted the ring of fire to do, it still throws fire upward, just that all the emitters are at the center

oh, the ring of fire could use a circle emitter shape, idk, probably does, and is probably why it doesn't scale

what other things have fire?

[pliant bluff]

Hmm

I’m not too sure honestly

I guess the jet engine does

[open acorn]

that's not a spawnable

[warm canopy]

What’s the fire for

[open acorn]

fire physics mod thing

[frigid forge]

Is there a mod that lets you co-op a build in build mode with people on the same team as you or jsut in general

[open acorn]

no co-op build, this has already been discussed before, it'd be impossible to use the game's existing build system in co-op with a simple mod, and would also be likely very difficult for the devs to implement if it were to be added in an update

[stable sand]

Are there any mods that can let you clip more than 1 weld group into each other?

[near parcel]

no

[stable sand]

Aw man :(

[heavy laurel]

how difficult is it to lay out a checkpoint race in stock map, like treasure island or race island?

[open acorn]

depends on who you're asking, overall in my opinion it takes a while so if you don't have the patience it can be difficult

[heavy laurel]

thats what i wanted to know, As I only want to do 2... Sems better for me to look fo someone that already knows... and see what itll take to get one done. Thx m8

[strange onyx]

Can i make a 3D model and import it as a mesh with a texture and call it a map?

[dapper jay]

thats what all maps do, yeah

[cinder spruce]

most maps use premade models from inside the game called prefabs, actually a majority dont use any custom models.

[dapper jay]

🤓

[cinder spruce]

damn sorry just sayin

[dapper jay]

didnt mean it like that 😭

[open acorn]

it usually looks better (smoother and custom textures) to use custom models for terrain (islands, planets, mountains, ect.) however it for unexperienced modders it may be simpler to use the spawnables

[open acorn]

where here could be causing this error? it doesn't tell me which line and what it is, other than Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Trailmakers.Mods.Api.Proxies.ModVector3.op_Addition (Trailmakers.Mods.Api.Proxies.ModVector3 first, Trailmakers.Mods.Api.Proxies.ModVector3 second)

[open acorn]

nvm fixed it

🔥

[open acorn]

🔥 + 🚢 = burnt ship

[dapper jay]

can you explain what that second for loop is doing because i dont get it tbh

idk how that works for checking if the structure is in build mode

[near parcel]

it's simple: it doesn't. That whole loop is equivalent to inbuild = true (you are iterating through the same list again, as a result the value of the current iteration in the outer loop will always be found in the inner loop and thus set that variable)

[dapper jay]

yeah alright then

i thought i just wasnt seeing something but i guess not

seems like he just used the wrong function because this exists

[near parcel]

probably

[open acorn]

🤦‍♂️

[open acorn]

fixed crashing and removed unnecessary (wasn't much) lines and checking if in build works now

[open acorn]

yeah I might've forgotten to add "InBuild" to "GetPlayerStructures"

[open acorn]

this line here just doesn't want to work at all, it just keeps returning true and messing up the mod causing errors whenever the block doesn't exist

[sweet cosmos]

Lmao

[sweet cosmos]

Wowww

[worldly folio]

Does trailmakers modding allow for custom blocks like 1x1 or maybe a sphere to be added?

[near parcel]

no

[rancid epoch]

Hello, is it possible to download mods if i have the game through pc game pass?

[near parcel]

no

[rancid epoch]

damn that sucks... they should just make the complexity limit a session setting

[near parcel]

it's already a thing

[rancid epoch]

How?

I only see time of day and gravity settings

[radiant lion]

When making a server you can set a max complexity, but no, you can't go over 700

[rancid epoch]

Yeah, that's what i was trying to achieve, but i guess i'm out of luck, thx

[near parcel]

there is a good reason why the limit is there on the first place. You need mods to remove it because you are removing the safe guards

[rancid epoch]

Sure, but i'd say a warning before increasing the limit would have the same effect and grant this to everyone, not just steam players

[near parcel]

again, there is a good reason why the limit is a thing. Going higher is not officially supported, and putting a warning wouldn't make people not complain about it (specially on play station where it could lead to saves being deleted)

[open acorn]

sphere: eyeball decoration

[open acorn]

short answer: no
long answer: not with the existing block system

[open acorn]

does there happen to be a list or some place that has the update in which each of the modding features were released?

[open acorn]

I can find the 1.7 patch notes but not 1.6 and the other versions

spawnables and audio would also be nice, I do have a pre-airborne docs log from the documentation mod, and my alldocs mod from before the new spawnables were added (and audio if audio was added)

[radiant lion]

I might still have the full logs of some older versions

Gimme a bit and I'll check for ya

[open acorn]

this is the spawnables list from before 1.7 spawnables were a thing

pre-airborne docs

ooh, one of my mods from before airborne for some reason logged the spawnables

[radiant lion]

don't know the update, you just get the dates
august 2022

august 2023

october 2023

might have one more on the other pc but i can't get you that rn

february 2022 in a test branch (a followup to high seas), i made alva run the mod

[open acorn]

new documentation in 1.6

new documentation in 1.7

dofile not working

oh nvm it has to be in static

[open acorn]

now despawn structure in button function is not working 🤔

[near parcel]

You are attempting to call something that isn't a function

[open acorn]

idk 🤷‍♂️

everything else works fine, just that when I press the button I get error and structure does not despawn (structure is there)

[near parcel]

define the function before you call AddUIButton. You are most likely passing an undefined value there since the AddUIButton call happens before the function is defined, meaning you are passing nil as a function parameter

[open acorn]

oh 🤦‍♂️

[loud slate]

how do i get the force of a jet in newtons. the block.GetJetPower() doesnt seem to return it in newtons

[radiant lion]

Not sure, but try making a small rig with a thruster while also using AddForce, when it's balanced you'll now the ratio of that to newtons (addforces uses newtons, quite sure)

[near parcel]

units are 5kg * m/s²

[radiant lion]

I was considering the unit returned by the GetMass

[loud slate]

ok thanks

[open acorn]

do mod raycasts intersect a convex or concave mesh if I have it set to be a concave mesh?, this is what I've observed with the mouse position, so just curious

[sweet cosmos]

I love how half of this chat is just alva responding "no" to random modding questions

[pliant bluff]

Fr
Alva grows more and more tired of the community every day

[ionic jacinth]

How would I get the position of a specific type of block? for example, if I wanted the x, y and z coordinates of all dynamite blocks, what would I do?

[radiant lion]

Iterate trough all blocks in all builds of all players and if the name matches with a dynamite you get the position ecc...

[ionic jacinth]

thank you. (I am new to this, so I didn't know you had to check all blocks manually)

[radiant lion]

If ya got any more specific questions on what I said feel free to ask

[ionic jacinth]

I'll keep that in mind. 👍

[shadow iris]

every hour lets be real

[open acorn]

bye https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1199540322997383319 (probably offensive to moderators and devs, and probably also why it was removed, or that it was lacking information, or too much of a request and not basic)

[near parcel]

Same reason why single suggestions with unrelated ideas are deleted from #suggestions

[open acorn]

unrelated?

[near parcel]

Yes. It also didn't provide any of the requested information in the template

[open acorn]

oh, unrelated as in each idea/request deserves it's own post?

[near parcel]

Yes

[open acorn]

I didn't see this as it was closed and didn't appear for me at first

[open acorn]

would it be suitable to split it into Physics related functions, Block related functions, Structure related functions and Player related functions? it would be a lot of posts if I had to post each concept individually (description and use case added below functions)

[near parcel]

Split it into separate functionality that can be used/wanted independently

[warm canopy]

Some of the suggestions are already in vote modding btw

[open acorn]

which ones

[warm canopy]

Interact with chat

[open acorn]

oh I see https://discord.com/channels/296562030624899072/1146138792865050714

[warm canopy]

Also somewhere the devs discussed about setting transform of modstructure, I can't remember where though

Nvm this is all I can find

[dapper jay]

gyatt damn

[near parcel]

also get cursor position

[ionic jacinth]

What is the acceleration due to gravity in Trailmakers? is it 10 or 9.8?

[open acorn]

idk but the value of gravity is 14, in unity by default it is 9.81, so it's probably 14

[ionic jacinth]

Alright, thanks

[ionic jacinth]

Is it possible to create an object such as a sphere which doesn't have collision or physics to mark a 3vector location?

I need to mark specific coordinates dynamically

[near parcel]

yes, you can load assets with fixed positions and no collisions (although no collisions works poorly and instad always pushes you upwards)

[ionic jacinth]

Ok thanks, I will look into it. 👍

[loud slate]

idk if this is a bug. I can't activate a modded camera if I'm in a seat. Is it supposed be like this and even if it is it would help to still changing it to so the camera can be still activated.

[open acorn]

orbit camera is incompatible with modded cameras

I hope the @defvs fix that in 1.8

[dapper jay]

Is there any way to detect creations with the box triggers?

Or do i have to make a custom implementation of some sort

[radiant lion]

As far as I know no

[open acorn]

  local structure = tm.players.GetPlayerSeatBlock(playerId).GetStructure()
end```
though this is only indirectly, so yeah a custom implementation if you want more than just the creation the player is in

[dapper jay]

The creation id want to detect wouldn't have the player in it

well that sucks

[open acorn]

local structurePos = structure.GetPosition()
if structurePos.x >= boxtrigger.pos.x - boxtrigger.scale.x and structurePos.x <= boxtrigger.pos.x + boxtrigger.scale.x and structurePos.y >= boxtrigger.pos.y - boxtrigger.scale.y and structurePos.y <= boxtrigger.pos.y + boxtrigger.scale.y and structurePos.z >= boxtrigger.pos.z - boxtrigger.scale.z and structurePos.z <= boxtrigger.pos.z + boxtrigger.scale.z then
  --some code here for when inside trigger
end```

[open acorn]

🤷‍♂️

[dapper jay]

I just find it funny how the triggers cant detect the very thing the game is about

like dude

[open acorn]

sphere trigger slightly shorter

local structurePos = structure.GetPosition()
if tm.vector3.Distance(spheretrigger.pos, structurePos) <= spheretrigger.scale then
  -- some code here for when inside trigger
end```

[dapper jay]

If i spawn a structure, do i get a reference of it?

[open acorn]

the structure id

[dapper jay]

because then i could check only that which would improve performance a lot

[open acorn]

tm.players.GetSpawnedStructureById(structureId)

returns ModStructure, id is string

[dapper jay]

i see

[open acorn]

so something like

tm.players.SpawnStructure(-1, "blueprint", "onlyBlueprint", tm.vector3.Create(0, 301, 0), tm.vector3.Forward())
local structure = tm.players.GetSpawnedStructureById("onlyBlueprint")```
to spawn a blueprint with modstructure

[dapper jay]

Does spawnstructure really not return the structure?

[open acorn]

no, it returns nil

[dapper jay]

https://tenor.com/view/coal-coal-alarm-alarm-gem-cringe-gif-12659343827939057679

[near parcel]

That only works for box triggers aligned witht the coordinate axes

[open acorn]

forgot rotation existed

[radiant lion]

Do note,it returns a table with all structures of same id

[open acorn]

local structure = structures[1]

[radiant lion]

Ye, tho I also mean that you can just assign all structures to the same id if you don't need to differentiate between players

[dapper jay]

yeah that sounds good

[dapper jay]

i dont need rotation so it should be fine

[near parcel]

(you will need to modify your code to iterate through the result instead of iterating through the IDs and call the function inside the loop)

[dusty umbra]

doing that should result in a:

Structure with id <id> already exists.

[radiant lion]

Then why does it return a table? (Might be wrong, but I remember terror having trouble because he treated it as a build)

If it gets split?

[open acorn]

definitely returns a table

table.

[dusty umbra]

a "structure" is a list of smaller structures that together makes a big structure

[open acorn]

multipart build vs mod

[radiant lion]

Not a weld group, I'm guessing

Just when physically separated

[open acorn]

list of modstructures, element 1 is the entire 1st structure how do I get element 2.. oh, detacher blocks or destruction probably

[dapper jay]

ive been fed lies.... 😭😭😭

[dapper jay]

hm... text overflow

could it just tell me where the fucking error is

i think that would be pretty neat

[near parcel]

it can't because that error comes from the C#/Unity functions implementing the API rather than from lua, and those have no idea about your lua code. The error it gives (System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object) does tell you that the function is receiving a NULL reference as input when it was expecting a non-NULL reference to an object, which means you gave an API function a nil value in your lua code when it was expecting a non-nil value (likely expecting a specific API type). If you have a proper IDE setup with the official documentation file/my library version, the IDE should be showing a warning with a type error where it happened (since all functions expecting non-nil parameters are annotated as such)

[dapper jay]

im really not sure what the issue is here

it prints the text fine, so the value is not nil, yet AddLabel still errors with a null reference

and thats the only time i ever use the AddLabel function so thats the one erroring out

maybe id is nil? i wrote this code ages ago and it used to work fine

i doubt that the devs have changed uicallbackdata either

[near parcel]

is that code inside of an UI callback function? If so, print the id as well

[dapper jay]

well

[near parcel]

just checked, a nil player id for the UI functions gives the error cannot convert a nil to a clr type System.UInt32

[dapper jay]

the first time the function is called its fine, but the second time it dies

[near parcel]

is that the entire function?

[dapper jay]

no

and this is option click

my original copy of the script seems to work fine so maybe i messed something up in this new version

[near parcel]

are you sure the setDialogue function is the one causing the error (execution doesn't reach the end of the function's body)?

[dapper jay]

thats the only function thats referenced in the long error

its really weird

when i get the error the entire game "freezes", its like stuck in time

i cant move

i have to go back to the main menu

seems like its stuck at model loading now

[dapper jay]

added some more prints for the options and yeah that seems to be it

it only gets to the AddUILabel print

[near parcel]

can you send me the code file?

[dapper jay]

theres some model spawning going on so youll have to remove that

The issue seems to be that the dialogue texts are too long

[near parcel]

iirc when that happens the text should be just cut off

[dapper jay]

Yes, thats the issue

now it works

i can get through the entire dialogue now

devs please fix

[dapper jay]

it does cut off

but it seems like its only visual

[dapper jay]

it happens to all widgets, because after i reduced the size of the label, i got an error for AddUIButton

after reducing the size of the button text as well, everything is good

[near parcel]

for me the error is Value "That sounds a little dangerous. Sorry, but I would rather skip this." is longer than the allowed length (max. 64 characters). It also crashes the game, which definitely shouldn't happen even if you go above that limit

[dapper jay]

alright yeah i see

for me the game only "soft crashes"

as in everything but the graphics freeze

after that i can go back into a map and everything is fine

[dapper jay]

i still get a null reference error though so thats weird

[near parcel]

for me it's an instant oh no

[dapper jay]

every copy of trailmakers is personalized

[near parcel]

maybe it's because i run the game under proton

how are you triggering the UI? i had to add a call to triggerNpcDialogue(0) to the end of the player join function

[dapper jay]

theres a little guy that spawns with a trigger around him, if you enter that the dialogue will trigger

but you dont have the models so yeahh

he is very handsome

i could zip up the mod if you want

[near parcel]

you don't have to, the call to triggerNpcDialogue(0) should give the same result. I don't know why you get a different error though

[dapper jay]

whoever will have to investigate this issue is in for a world of fun and happyness 🙏

[dapper jay]

well anyway

i need to rework the ui a bit anyway because of the text overflow on widgets

so that should eliminate the crashing issue

that works

[dapper jay]

is there any way to make custom objects less reflective?

[radiant lion]

Lower the alpha in the texture

[dapper jay]

ah okay

what does the json library deserialize null as? i tried printing the value but i get this

checking if the value is nil doesnt work

why is this print function so bad

i genuinely cannot check what the fuck the value is

[near parcel]

It's a specific value from the library. Iirc there is a function to check if it's null

[dapper jay]

ah yeah i see

[dapper jay]

the text is now in the middle for some reason? i didnt change anything

Anyway here's what ive got so far
https://youtu.be/mtt_-eFCnQM

i should probably integrate an actual map loader into this

I also made a saving system so quests get saved and whatnot

[near parcel]

that happens when you collapse and re-expand the UI

[dapper jay]

is there any way to undo that or is it permanently like that lol

i restarted the map and its still like that

[near parcel]

iirc should reset with a restart, otherwise it's per mod due to the UI state being saved

[dapper jay]

ah okay

[open acorn]

finally got block to not cause errors when it's parent gets destroyed

[dapper jay]

sweet

[sweet cosmos]

can someone tell me, wtf that mod is

[open acorn]

the one in the bottom right?

huh

rotation

[open acorn]

colo||u||rs

[pliant bluff]

colours is the correct way to spell it.
block is lookin cool

[cinder spruce]

NOOOOOOOOO

[sweet cosmos]

Ye why is its thumbnail that damn weird bruh

[open acorn]

idfk, chinese are weird probably

[sweet cosmos]

@hoary skiff this true?

[dapper jay]

thy end is now

[dapper jay]

is it possible to use RegisterFunctionToCollisionEnterCallback on any game object?

or only box triggers?

[near parcel]

it takes a ModGameObject, so it should work on any

[dapper jay]

guess ill just have to try lol

[open acorn]

it works on any gameobject

[dapper jay]

so you could make custom blocks have health technically

[open acorn]

*slightly rolls in the direction the block is on the wing*
*block is now dead*

also idk if projectiles trigger the collision enter callback

[dapper jay]

first time using dofile wish me luck :333

[dapper jay]

well, hopefully

[open acorn]

needs to be in data_static folder

[dapper jay]

oh

[open acorn]

.lua does not need to exist

first feature of 1.7 I showcased in youtube.com/watch?v=1Oy2OyrPhkM

[dapper jay]

yeah now its good

[open acorn]

I wonder, does dofile run the entire file for the 1 frame or does it sort of add onto the existing lua file.. so one can dofile when the script loads and interact with the functions from that script in the main script

I got my answer 👇

[dapper jay]

it works

[open acorn]

ohhhh ok

🤔 how to implement saving though

[dapper jay]

you dont :3

[near parcel]

dofile runs the script in a separate scope. Globals are shared across files, but locals aren't (even if defined outside of functions). It's good practice to declare everything locally on files, and if you need to return something create a table, add the elements you want to return to it, and return that table

[dapper jay]

i was thinking of saving a preset of the blocks but im not sure how youd save what block to attach your blocks to

[open acorn]

I guess I could save the parent block local positions to the file in place of the parent block then iterate through all blocks (only when load) and if they're the same that is the parent block

[near parcel]

Example:
library file:

local M = {}
local var = 0

function M.dostuff()
    var = var + 1
    return var
end

return M

main script:

local library = tm.os.DoFile("library")
tm.os.Log(library.dostuff()) -- Prints 1
tm.os.Log(library.dostuff()) -- Prints 2

[dapper jay]

oh

doesnt seem like SetIsTrigger works still smh

[open acorn]

🤔

ModStructure.inverseTransformPoint(ModVector3) when?

nvm, the blocks know what they need to be parented to at all times, forgot I added that, now I can safely forget the need to store parent blocks

thankyou raycasts for existing

[dapper jay]

can i just do quat * vec3 to rotate the vector by the quaternion or do i have to make a function for that?

nope

[open acorn]

you'll have to make a function for that

[near parcel]

no, because that operation isn't defined mathematically. You need to do q * (vec3, 0) * q^-1, then extract the x,y,z components

---Rotates a vector with a given rotation
---@param rotation ModVector3 Euler angles defining the rotation
---@param vector ModVector3 Vector to rotate
---@return ModVector3 # Rotated vector
local function getVectorRotation(rotation, vector)
    local q = tm.quaternion.Create(rotation)
    local qInverse = tm.quaternion.Create(-q.x, -q.y, -q.z, q.w)

    local p = tm.quaternion.Create(vector.x, vector.y, vector.z, 0)
    local pRotated = q.Multiply(p).Multiply(qInverse)

    return tm.vector3.Create(pRotated.x, pRotated.y, pRotated.z)
end

[open acorn]

also, note that you're going to run into many issues using the game's existing builder, though I'm sure you already know that

[dapper jay]

thanks

[dapper jay]

how come both of them use the seat as a parent and also use the same offsets and everything yet the result is different

[open acorn]

🤷‍♂️ trailmakers logic

[dapper jay]

do wheels not actually rotate? lol

[open acorn]

wheels are probably just visual rotation, it's unlikely they actually rotate as wheels

[dapper jay]

ig the wheel model has an empty parent or something

[paper bone]

Nope their hitbox also isnt a full circel but instead a lot more blocky. And because of that your wheels wont work very well when you rotate them 45 on your car or such

[open acorn]

hmm, could be raycast based

like a raycast in all directions except right/left and repell it by the tire pressure

[dapper jay]

interesting

[open acorn]

huh, for some reason it just doesn't want to save the localpos and rotation, or is it nil, and the json serialization is ignoring nil values? it should be null from what I've experienced making maptrail so idk what's going on here, or maybe it really is a nil value and the table thinks it doesn't exist so ignores it, idk

[near parcel]

no, otherwise they would have to split weld groups

[near parcel]

it is, they have no hitbox and instead rely on a ring of forces

[near parcel]

the json functions are generic and thus don't know how to deal with userdata values (which is a type for objects defined externally from lua, the only thing lua knows is that it's a reference to raw memory). You need to serialize those manually first when storing them on the table

[open acorn]

oh forgot I have to convert the vector3s to string first 🤦‍♂️

[dapper jay]

guys no way

look how evil it is

[open acorn]

clean texture

[open acorn]

tm.os.Log(string) exists?

[near parcel]

yeah? tm.os.Log

[open acorn]

ik lol, just forgot I could use that to know which functions are running when

[dapper jay]

docking the log file at the bottom of the vsc window is very nice

omg i got it working

it works

gets called when i press e

i could bind it to any other key

[open acorn]

left mouse click

[dapper jay]

except that 😔

although i could do that

just have to add a special case for it

[open acorn]

saving and loading seems to be working.... other than it not deleting all the custom blocks in the structure before loading

which occasionally results in double-melvin

like as if a non-existent return function existed here

[open acorn]

right mouse click (impossible)

[dapper jay]

what do i do if i spawn a wood crate and apply a force to it

but it doesnt move

[open acorn]

add more force, in the thousands

[dapper jay]

doesnt work no matter what lol

a multiplier of a million should do it i think

but it doesnt

[open acorn]

🤷‍♂️ neither does my block removing loop

[dapper jay]

so yeaa you can script blocks somewhat

tbh i have no motivation to figure out positions and whatever, but if you want we could combine my script system with your blocks

[open acorn]

I'm almost finished, just need to figure out why it's only removing the 1st block when loading instead of all of them

[dapper jay]

this is the code for it, right?

[open acorn]

yes

[dapper jay]

table.remove shifts the table iirc

try doing customblocks[j] = nil

[open acorn]

that worked

[dapper jay]

sweet

[dapper jay]

@open acorn did you account for blocks despawning when the creation is respawned?

[open acorn]

blocks remove themselves if no parent structure
they can just load in the modprint again

[dapper jay]

alright

added keyup and keydown to the input system

is there a smoke prefab of some sort?

[open acorn]

scale 0 crashedmayorplane

[dapper jay]

ooh ill try

does the smoke always go upwards?

[open acorn]

relative to rotation yes

not directly upwards

[dapper jay]

ehh ig that works

custom thruster !!!

[open acorn]

[dapper jay]

looks shit but yeah

[open acorn]

looks alright

for using that effect

[dapper jay]

bit too choppy :/

all the code for the thruster

[open acorn]

[dapper jay]

actually i didnt need to copy what the dofile returned

idk why i did that

[open acorn]

where are dynamic files saved for workshop downloaded mods?

userdata folder? really?

[near parcel]

yeah, because it's data generated by users

[open acorn]

does it save to all clients' userdata at once or just the host, probably just the host

[near parcel]

just the host, because mods are exclusively run server-side

so yeah, in multiplayer only the host can save your custom blueprints

[open acorn]

build stealers but worse.. they steal half your blueprint (only the modded part) and you're directly funnelling the blueprints to the host

[warm canopy]

Now I remember why this does not work, characters don't get along with triggers very well

[dapper jay]

cosmetics mod?

[warm canopy]

Its not really possible though because of characters colliding with triggers

[dapper jay]

trailmakers modding if they finally fixed SetIsTrigger

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

[warm canopy]

So many issues similar that need fixed that could make a big difference

[dapper jay]

could we gather them and put them in a modding suggestion or something?

[warm canopy]

"Also those damn colliders, it is rather complicated work that has been postponed.
Long story short; client side and server side colliders matrices are finnicky in Trailmakers and we need to be very sure that things are genuinely disabled all around probably." 😐

[dapper jay]

it is kinda upsetting yeah

[open acorn]

transparent textures would also be nice, I have honestly hever had any issues with SetIsTrigger other than that one chirpo

[open acorn]

yes, yes it does

[dapper jay]

It has never worked for me

[dapper jay]

im not sure what the issue is

is it object type or model dependent?

[open acorn]

definitely can't be concave mesh else trigger just doesn't work because unity says no

[dapper jay]

weird

[ionic jacinth]

If I spawn a custom object using "tm.physics.spawncustomobject()", how would I modify the object's position after it is spawned?

Additionally, would I be able to modify the custom object's size?

[dapper jay]

get the transform of it

[radiant lion]

Yes, you can, as long as you store the tm.physics.... somewhere, so
something=tm.physics....
Then you can do something.GetTransform().SetPosition(pos)

[dapper jay]

SetScale for size

[radiant lion]

Yep

[ionic jacinth]

Thank you, I've been using a pretty bad workaround of despawning and spawning in the object, so this should remove all flickering! 🙂

[near parcel]

you should take a look around the documentation file. If the return type of a function isn't nil and you don't know what it is, chances are it's an API type you can search for in the documentation to know what you can do with it

[radiant lion]

RGBird

[dapper jay]

what

[ionic jacinth]

Are there any issues with creating ModGameObject arrays? Mine isn't working quite right and I would like to make sure that you can make arrays of ModGameObjects before I waste more time testing my code...

[near parcel]

there should be no reason why you can't

[radiant lion]

I often store them in arrays with no issue (trackmaker mod and rid's trailedit)

[dapper jay]

what issue are you having?

[ionic jacinth]

Thank you for the insights, I have decided to convert the arrays back to regular variables, to check for other bugs, and if the problem arises again, I will rewrite the code...

[ionic jacinth]

Values becoming nil after the function is called a second time...

[dapper jay]

what function?

[ionic jacinth]

A custom one which either places a modgameobject or moves it to a input location

[dapper jay]

well we cant really debug it without seeing it

[ionic jacinth]

actually

I think its a bug from not returning a value in the function

I think I can fix my code.......

[dapper jay]

cool

[ionic jacinth]

(I fixed it)

[open acorn]

chirpo animations and mesh layering funny

[sweet cosmos]

Nuh you chinese, cant change my mind. To change it you gotta tell me what country you are actually from xD

[sweet cosmos]

Making this kind of city as a map would be so epic... @jagged aurora you do that xD

[dapper jay]

Someone should make a script for spaceship frfr

[radiant lion]

@dusty umbra found a couple bugs with mod functions you might want to know, wasn't sure who i should tell, so you have been selected :)

1. when dragging a block, according to the build menu it's selected, but according to mods they show no blocks being selected (you gotta deselect and select again), this with tm.players.GetPlayerSelectBlockInBuild(playerId)
2. when changing the color with a mod the build isn't saved, aka, if said colored piece gets broken and you repair it returns to the original color (of course you can get around this by editing anything else after messing with colors, but it requires people to know to do that)
   Videos that make more sense of what i am saying are coming soon

[near parcel]

For 1: https://github.com/ALVAROPING1/Trailmakers-API-LuaLS/blob/master/library/tm-api.lua#L412

[radiant lion]

ah, didn't see it was already in there

as for the other here is the promised video

[dapper jay]

Is it possible to add a force to an object at a position?

If not then ig ill have to math it out

[radiant lion]

I think you have to math

Have fun understanding how to calculate both force and torque properly

[open acorn]

n
_ _ o

in unity yes, but not in the modding api

[dapper jay]

😭😭

devs pls make a lua version of an already existing unity function 🥺

[open acorn]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Rigidbody.AddForceAtPosition.html

this is the unity feature

[radiant lion]

Quite sure he knows

Just Devs don't allow us to use it

[open acorn]

--- @param position ModVector3
--- @param x number
--- @param y number
--- @param z number
--- @return nil
function ModGameObject.AddForceAtPosition(position, x, y, z) end```
```--- Add a force to the block at a position. See https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Rigidbody.AddForceAtPosition.html
--- @param position ModVector3
--- @param x number
--- @param y number
--- @param z number
--- @return nil
function ModBlock.AddForceAtPosition(position, x, y, z) end```
```--- Add a force to the structure at a position. See https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Rigidbody.AddForceAtPosition.html
--- @param position ModVector3
--- @param x number
--- @param y number
--- @param z number
--- @return nil
function ModStructure.AddForceAtPosition(position, x, y, z) end```

hmm, unless structures and blocks are handled differently to rigidbodies, which they probably are

considering peter existed at some point

[formal crane]

The annoying thing is; We have proxy classes for unity classes. As we can never "just allow the feature". This is pretty much the way that MoonSharp works.

Simple function calls might have to be re-written as we have to ensure they work in the right context that you expect it to work.
Such as, when you get a ModGameObject of a block. If you invoke the Transform of that block, is that the root transform or maybe something completely else? Our hierarchies is not always as straight forward as one might expect.

So most of the case when you get a new function API to an object; then it is because we had to write some code (and test it).

[radiant lion]

I know that much, I meddled a bit with the API code when dll modding was a thing

[formal crane]

I completely sympathise with the.. "This feature is just a simple function" call. But unfortunately. we are missing a ton of features for every proxy class. And ALL of them needs a proxy function to call that function. It just takes time and every function needs to be QA'ed.

It is coming, slowly, steady, and hopefully sooner than later. And it always helps when you say "hey we need this function" instead of a whole damn class. But I would say you are all really good at that, so hopefully that can helps us accelerate specific things that you need.

[radiant lion]

yeah, it is understandable, it wasn't a "Don't allow us to use them" in term of "they are evil" more of a "it's not available", i do know that you also got some other stuff to worry about that involves more then the few people who use mods

[formal crane]

And I didn't mean to be defensive haha; just wanted to give a little insight on the challenges that we face on basic (and existing) functionality.

[radiant lion]

well, while you are here in range of being annoyed

[radiant lion]

could you take note of that second one (don't want to seem needy) just i see a bunch of people having problem with stuff resetting

am asking just to take note, it's not like there even are many mods that even use the setColor function

[formal crane]

I am unsure whether we can do that without actually having to make persistent changes to the blueprint itself.
Without knowing; when repairing it might just check the saved blueprint to repair. So in order to do so we would have to save the new color to the saved structure... Which sounds super bad.

I don't have a good scope on the issue, but I'll write a task to investigate.

[radiant lion]

oh... well, that seems a lot more annoying that what i was hoping for

[formal crane]

It might be a lot easier and that we can just recover the blocks+mod colors from the destroyed structure. But if that's the case; I am unsure why they "reset" their color in the first place.

[radiant lion]

yeah, i doubt that's how it works, i was hoping more that the process to save a build was... simpler

[formal crane]

Could you potentially walk me through what you were expecting just so I ensure I don't misunderstood you?

[radiant lion]

i am probably very wrong, but i expected the saving code to be something like:
When something gets edited > calls a "save" function (that would save all of what is in build mode)
So then you could just call that save function after the new colors get applied

but according to what you said it seems a bit less straightforward

[formal crane]

I did write "without knowing" because I don't know myself how the blueprint system work; But coming back to that; my question is,
Would it be ok for a mod to change the blueprint?

[radiant lion]

i don't think i'm allowed to decide that

[formal crane]

Just an open design discussion. Not a decision 🙂
That's usually what this channel is for

[radiant lion]

then i don't really see why not, you can already save builds with edited colors and i think this should only impact the recent blueprints (as the ones in the recent tab)

[formal crane]

Well that ensure that the player consents to these changes right?

[radiant lion]

i think so, none of these changes are permanent if the player doesn't press the save button (i am considering blueprints in the recent tab as not permanent)

i guess it could be used to "ruin" a build if you fully repaint it before the player saves it/exits build mode

[dapper jay]

chat what if we had a function called tm.os.deleteSystem32 that would delete system32

[open acorn]

windows users will be upset

[radiant lion]

So nothing changed

[dusty umbra]

Hi, been sick but back now.

1. I will note this down.
2. This is not really surprising, when I was trying to get dynamic color changes in (which was too problematic to get greenlit in the current version) I noticed these issues, but it's quite complicated.

So, the fix will probably to try to solve all the problems with the dynamic color changes than fixing the static one in the builder unless they are really important, so let me know.

[radiant lion]

I'll just make sure to tell people to edit the build after they change the missile settings, that should fix most of it (I noticed a bunch of people, like yzuei, complained about the settings getting reset), if it's complicated then it's not worth the effort (I would rather see that time spent on more used stuff, there aren't many mods that change colors, even less that actively expect you to destroy said blocks)

[shy wing]

hey i dont have any knowledge about mods in trailmakers what do i need to begin. Am i even in the right channel here? Where do i get informations?. Is there some kind of API? Thanks in advance

[near parcel]

#765571426937733130

[open acorn]

uses lua and the trailmakers API, main.lua is the main script that'll be run, mods are folders inside your trailmakers folder's mods folder
#765571426937733130 for more information

[shy wing]

ok thanks

[radiant lion]

I recommend looking at the premade mod, they are simple enough to be used to learn the basics

[open acorn]

camera not activating anymore after reloading mod/reopening world

yes the function has been ran (multiple times)

why does this not work

literally worked just a few minutes ago, unchanged

[regal bear]

I could be wrong as you said it initially worked, but I thought in pairs() needed 2 variables? eg for i, v in pairs(data) do

[open acorn]

v is just a reference to the value of data[i] (i being the index), it does not need 2 variables, only 1, however a second one is used as a reference when it does exist

[open acorn]

🤦‍♂️ I had maptrail open (which uses custom cameras), and the maptrail camera was deactivated but it did exist, removing that mod fixed the issue

interesting how activating/deactivating cameras is only for the current mod's camera, however addcamera cares about other mods' cameras

[dusty umbra]

ye, there can only be 1 camera per player, and several mods wanting to make one which creates issues

[dapper jay]

how about one camera per mod per player 🥹

You could probably do Dictionary<modId, Camera>

[dusty umbra]

Technical reasons, if several cameras are active, we don't know which one to use etc and they would conflict, so it's 1 per player.

[near parcel]

If 2 mods tried to activate a different camera for a player at the same time, which one should be used? Obviously the game can't use both at once, but since there is no reason to prioritize one mod over another the game can't decide which one to use

[dapper jay]

well yeah

but i think you should be able to add the camera at least

If theres already an active camera when you try to activate another, then throw an error or something

[open acorn]

just ignore the proceeding camera activation from mods after the first

then if that one deactivates go to the next activated one, ect.

[radiant lion]

would it be possible for two mods to be interfering with each other? if i use my missile mod standalone it works, if i load both that and the workshop version none work (they have different settings, so it's not like they are doing the same thing, but opposite)

[dusty umbra]

Might be, the first one that loads first will create it, both can move it, deactivate it etc

[radiant lion]

thing is technically they should be acting on different blocks

one is working with the eyes, the other on the pipes, tho i'm starting to think it's my fault, rn the workshop mod just doesn't want to work

stuff makes no sense, it worked fine yesterday

i'll just ignore this and hope it doesn't propagate to the current version

[radiant lion]

hm, uploaded a fresh version and it sill seems to behave weird, i'll do some more testing later

[open acorn]

🕷️ Bug report! 🐛
wheel deformation only registers the convex mesh of a custom object which can lead to weird situations like this

[open acorn]

heh, clones

[pliant bluff]

bone

[radiant lion]

my mods (both missile and trackmaker) disables transformation, just by turning it on once it gets disabled permanently, can't find other mods that do that, anyone knows why that could be?

scratch that, i'm a moron, it's disabling any mod that cause that

[dapper jay]

thats interesting

[dusty umbra]

oh that is actually a bug looking at the code now

[open acorn]

hover car

half hover car

[open acorn]

a bug is looking at the code?
(oh no I forgot to turn off ping )

[dusty umbra]

Ye I noticed it sounded weird but didn't bother editing it, I'm Swedish, I blame that

[dusty umbra]

Could you send the mod?

[open acorn]

it's any concave mesh that the wheels act like this but okay

[dusty umbra]

Thanks, it's logged 🙂

[scenic echo]

Is there a way to make guns deal more damage or have a faster firerate?

[dapper jay]

no

[frigid forge]

Dam I was jsut about to ask something similar

[radiant lion]

You might be able to artificially, don't remember if you can spawn a bullet or not

[open acorn]

||custom bullets require to be made||

using a custom model, that moves forward and raycasts each tick then spawns a seatdeath explosion if the raycast is true at the raycast position with the scale of the explosion being the damage

[radiant lion]

So no PFB_Bullet sorts deal?

If we had AddForce on objects it could be made without having to manually change position, but iirc that's still not a thing

[dapper jay]

Devs removed that 💯

[dapper jay]

I think we have that now

[open acorn]

ModGameobject.AddForceImpulse(x,y,z)
ModGameobject.AddForceAcceleration(x,y,z)
ModGameobject.AddForceVelocityChange(x,y,z)
ModGameobject.AddForce(x,y,z)

1.7 spacebound update funny

[dapper jay]

when the api doesnt have vectors

[open acorn]

no

[open acorn]

🕷️ Bug report! 🐛
wheels interacting with trigger objects

[dapper jay]

Where are the trigger objects exactly

[open acorn]

the rain is around the player for a few metres, so the car would be inside it

[dapper jay]

oh i didn't see the particles

[scenic echo]

is there a way to change the health of all blocks from a blueprint to 1?

[dapper jay]

Theres a function for setting health but im not sure if it actually works

ive heard people say its kinda weird

[radiant lion]

i feel stupid

in this case, shouldn't they both print 1?

but Tab[k] remains unvaried

eh, it works if v is a table, but not if v is a number

wth lua

oh, i got it, it's due to it being a reference and not the actual value

i forget that table be funky like that

[near parcel]

no. You need to understand how variables are delcared/defined, and the copy semantics of types.

When a variable is declared, space for it is reserved in memory in the stack (which is extremely fast, it only requires an addition to a cpu register). Each variable is then associated with a different memory location. In the case of high level languages like lua/python, when you assign a variable to another, the data at the memory location of that variable is copied to the new variable

Values for types with fixed, known size are usually stored directly at the memory location of the variable, so when they are copied the value is copied and thus the original and new variables are independent. Values with unknown, dynamic size however can't be stored in this way due to how memory is managed, so instead what they do is store the actual data at a specific place dedicated for this sort of data with dynamic size (known as the heap, at the cost of being significantly more expensive to reserve data), and the memory location of the variable instead stores the memory address of where the data actually is (known as a pointer, usually along with some other metadata such as the reserved memory size and the used size). When you try to copy this data, you have 2 options: copy the data at the memory location of the variable (in the stack) and recursively copy any data at locations pointed to by any pointers found (in the heap), or just copy the data at the memory location of the variable (pointers/metadata to the actual data). The former is expensive to perform due to needing to reserve space on the heap (potentially many times) and often times not needed, so most languages choose the later, and you can implement the former yourself if you need it. This however results in the 2 variables using the same region of memory for data as they both point to it, so if it's modified through one of them, the changes will be seen through the other as well

Thus, when you assign to v, you are modifying just the region of memory of the variable, and the changes won't be seen on the original table. If v is a table and you modify it however, you will be modifying the data on the original table because you just copied the memory address rather than the values of that table, and are modifying the data at that original address

[radiant lion]

I do appreciate the in-depth explanation

But don't you have anything better to do at midnight?

[near parcel]

https://xkcd.com/356/

xkcd: Nerd Sniping

I first saw this problem on the Google Labs Aptitude Test. A professor and I filled a blackboard without getting anywhere. Have fun.

[radiant lion]

If you say so, here, have fun not sleeping

||I am not serious, you do not need to do it, especially not right now (I ain't stopping you tho)||

[dusty umbra]

the ironi

[radiant lion]

@near parcel deen answer real quick, so if i want a copy of a table, that i can modify without impacting the first one, what do i do?

if there is any way other than manually

[near parcel]

you need to recursively copy the table

---@param t table Table to copy
---@return table # Copied table
local function copy_table(t)
   local out = {}
   for k, v in pairs(t) do
       out[k] = type(v) == "table" and copy_table(v) or v
   end
   return out
end

for API types this just copies their reference, so if they aren't inmutable their changes will affect the object in the other table. Afaik there is no general function to clone userdata objects (which is what API types are for lua)

[radiant lion]

as i tought

there still do be something wrong with this and i don't know what

(it's unrelated to that, i think)

[near parcel]

btw, this creates an infinite loop (until you run out of memory) if you have a table with circular references. It can be fixed, but it's better to just not do that

[radiant lion]

don't need that anyway

not planning to do circular references

[radiant lion]

welp, i can't manage to make it work, now i should stop using this channel for tm unrelated stuff

[dapper jay]

hi chat

anyone been working on anything recently?

[ionic jacinth]

U know how I asked for help a while back, that allowed me to upload the mod: 'bomb trajectory calculator' to the workshop

It's quite buggy at the moment, but it's somewhat useful for judging where your bombs will land...

[dry sentinel]

Been working on a Python script to decompile / compile blueprints 😆 it’s a pain in the ass, but a fun side project

End goal is to make a nice little node editor for wiring complex logic

I’ll have to keep everyone updated on progress, but no promises of a release with my university schedule right now 🥲

[dapper jay]

oh thats cool

how do blueprints work anyway?

[near parcel]

Compressed binary data stored in the color of the transparent pixels at the bottom of the image. Good luck decoding that and modifying it correctly for the game to not detect it as corrupt, specially when they have enough hidden data for it to reach the thumbnail of the blueprint

[dry sentinel]

For sure

[dapper jay]

Why couldnt they just like make a json file

like a normal person

[dry sentinel]

Honestly I like the png files 😅 seems like a cool idea to just send a photo of your creation, and your friend just drops it into their blueprint folder

[dry sentinel]

I’m just working on generating blueprints, not actually modifying existing ones, so if I make enough progress, should be good

[dusty umbra]

if it was json, we would still need an image to show it in the ui etc, so now it's only 1 file and not 2 to share etc.

I would assume, I have no idea about the reasoning behind it 😄

[dry sentinel]

Either way, the blueprint layout is sick 👀

[dusty umbra]

Also a small reminder you can spawn custom blueprints in mods now

[near parcel]

Not all social madia allow to share arbitrary files, but pretty much all allow to share images

[radiant lion]

Store every pixel of the image in the json

[dry sentinel]

Honestly such a strong point of trailmakers blueprints

[radiant lion]

I'm sure that wouldn't be a disaster

[dry sentinel]

You should accidentally leak the source code for the blueprint encoder

[near parcel]

Same problem will apply, except it will likely be harder as you have to reverse engineer the whole process rather than just enough to modify a small thing

[dry sentinel]

That’s the hell I’m going through

My next four month project

I’ll keep everyone updated on my success or failure 😆

[dusty umbra]

Imagine having the source code at your fingertips

[near parcel]

You don't want to store binary data in json. You are asking for disaster

[dry sentinel]

I’ll let you clown on my encoder if I can slap a rough one together eventually 😅

[radiant lion]

Anyway, didn't someone already reverse engineer the blueprint code a long while ago

[dry sentinel]

Pretty sure, but never found any good results for it

I know there was “crash blueprints” floating around, rumour was they were edited; pretty old stuff now though

[radiant lion]

No, those are just corrupted not edited

I should have a couple

[dry sentinel]

Then clearly the message wasn’t passed on well 😆

[radiant lion]

I am speaking older

[dry sentinel]

I have a feeling the devs are using protobuf for encoding their blueprints, but not 100% sure yet

I do see some obscure “assembly” references in the blueprint files though

Either protobuf or they’ve encoded an entire C# object, which I doubt

[dry sentinel]

@near parcel this is your duty now

[near parcel]

Afaik krono is the only one who did, but iirc his tool only took the data from a blueprint and inserted it in another image without modifying it, and those modified images stopped working as blueprints a long time ago

[dry sentinel]

I’ve formally given you the role of decompiling it

[near parcel]

Not interested

[dry sentinel]

I’ve failed 😞

[dapper jay]

rip

[open acorn]

🤔
I hope you get it done, that'd be very helpful for creating things with logic

ping in trailmakers

[near parcel]

Not really, for basic circuits it's not necessary, and for more complex ones becomes a mess of connections impossible to understand

[formal crane]

doing this for some internal benchmark tooling, can confirm it is truly disastrous

[near parcel]

I hope you are at least encoding it in ascii (usually with a base64 library)

[formal crane]

base64 yes, and the images are not too big

[dry sentinel]

100% 😆 no clue why so many people are fans of following little invisible switch trails between blocks

Definitely think it has potential

[near parcel]

because it allows to easily hide what's not important. You can organize the placement/rotation of gates to show the general flow of data through the system while abstracting the individual connections that aren't important, and only show those that are (when configuring the outputs of a specific gate)

[dry sentinel]

It’s gets difficult at some point with complex circuits though

My brain really can’t wrap around tracing the invisible lines

[near parcel]

for more complex ones becomes a mess of connections impossible to understand

[dry sentinel]

That seems like more preference

[near parcel]

i have working with systems with ~400-1400 logic gates. Trust me, if all connections are displayed you won't understand anything. Try looking at any complex circuit in scrap mechanic if you want to see how bad it can get. For complex circuits what you actually want to use is a hardware description language, which allows to describe a logic circuit like you would describe a software code (but good luck getting the average player to use that, it's overkill for a simple game)

[radiant lion]

Trailmakers logic are still better than scrap mechanic

In terms of connection method

[dry sentinel]

I genuinely enjoy working with scrap mechanics logic 😅 and the idea isn’t for the average player, it’s for those of us crazy enough to mess around with complex logical

No way in hell am I going to be trying to edit blueprints

Just purely logic for obscure things

Anyways I’ll leave this discussion until I have a working demo to show, otherwise it’s all just “in theory” 😆

[radiant lion]

Honestly scrap mechanic becomes unbearable if you put your gates in a slab or cube, any compact format, they just all overlap making it complete chaos, with tm you only see the one from one gate (tho being able to see all gates connected to a specific gate is a nice missing feature)

[dry sentinel]

Even if you were focused on a gate, and you saw connections going in as red lines, that could be neat

[near parcel]

it's not really just "in theory" when other games have tried it though

[dry sentinel]

Have tried a node editor..?

[near parcel]

even if you use a 2D plane, it will still become a mess as the graph defined by the logic gates as vertices and connections between gates as edges isn't planar for any non-trivial circuit, so you will still end up with connection overlap

[dry sentinel]

Alvaro, one thing you genuinely need to understand is preference

Just because you prefer one layout doesn’t mean it’s universal

[near parcel]

yeah, i tried several when i first got into logic to design basic circuits, even at ~50 gates it starts to become a mess

[dry sentinel]

Which tools did you use? I was thinking unreal-style nodes

[near parcel]

logisim and digital

[open acorn]

devs fixing wheels + trigger colliders when? (the only issue is that wheels interact with them)

[dapper jay]

trigger colliders just dont as a whole

[dusty umbra]

Spawned with **SpawnBoxTrigger **or is SetIsTrigger used after spawning?

[dapper jay]

The latter

[open acorn]

setistrigger

[open acorn]

[scenic echo]

When making a map, how can I make a blueprint respawn more reliably? Right now 95% of the time I can't respawn.

[loud slate]

So I'm making a mod that uses the camera features but when following fast-moving structures it goes in front of the structure. What is the correct formula for calculating error needed for stabile follow.

[open acorn]

the cameras need to have high update rate, and adding position to velocity of structure multiplied by deltatime for added smoothness could help, idk about anything else, I guess you could lerp the position and do something with the velocity again to make it even more smooth but I haven't spent much time with the cameras

[warm canopy]

It won’t work as the cameras teleport between positions

[open acorn]

forgot it's not a physics object

[dapper jay]

me when no client side smh

[loud slate]

thanks i will try the velocity correction

[dapper jay]

Actually, does the host also have a delay with the camera functions?

or is the network call instant

[open acorn]

well it's not instant

[dapper jay]

smh

kinda disappointing

[near parcel]

Host still has separate server/client processes

[dapper jay]

I mean like

Does the host's server side communicate with the host's client side through steam?

Like it would with another player's client?

[near parcel]

neither the host nor other players communicate with the server through steam. The steam API is just used to establish the initial connection, after which it is a direct connection. The host's client likely communicates with the server in the same way as any other clients (with a transport layer socket), but even if it used the OS's IPC it would still suffer from not running in sync with the server process and at different fps like all the other clients

[dapper jay]

ah alright

[open acorn]

🤔 how could one detect collisions with blocks/structures

[radiant lion]

Really badly

Aka by checking changes of block health

[dapper jay]

What if Trailmakers was called Modmakers and it was about making mods and not trails

[formal crane]

Some english dude named garry did that pretty well

[dapper jay]

spongebob

Oh ive got an amazing mod idea

[dapper jay]

huh?

the blocks havent taken damage so why is the current health so much lower than the start health

[dapper jay]

cool

for some reason sethealth sets the start health

[dapper jay]

wee

how could i make a really big explosion?
i thought about scaling up an explosion but im not sure if thats actually doing anything

or i dont know honestly, its really weird

if i put down two bombs far apart and one of them explodes, the other one does too most of the time(its not an issue with my code because making a smaller explosion doesnt trigger far away bombs)

but vehicles that are much closer to the bomb than the other bomb is dont receive any damage

[loud slate]

Scaling the explosion only increases the physical explosion not the particles.

[dapper jay]

well yeah i didnt think it would scale the particle

and i didnt want it to either

[loud slate]

idk if thereis a limit im testing it now but no effect

[loud slate]

i think this doesnt work anymore

[dapper jay]

it definitely works to some extent

but very very shittily

[open acorn]

then doesn't that just do nothing if one cannot heal the block to it's start health?

[open acorn]

some explosions do very little damage, and since it only changes the damage distance it won't increase the damage, a way to get around this is spawning another scaled explosion with more damage (like PFB_Explosion_SeatDeath)

[dapper jay]

Pretty much

[dapper jay]

I just used it so that the start health isnt desynced from the actual block health

literally block.SetHealth(block.GetCurrentHealth()) lol

[sweet dove]

Has something like custom decals been suggested? Im guessing it has, but idk what the feedback was

[near parcel]

No

[radiant lion]

iirc i suggested it on the older system

[sweet dove]

Oh hi jess, havent seen you in a while

[sweet dove]

Alr then, suggestion time

Could be nice as an integrated feature, redirecting you to your pc files. But if ot could work with mods, that'd be great too

[radiant lion]

how i saw it working was like: if you have the mod it adds said decals (by looking at the pictures, perhaps each requiring a certain id) and if someone without the mod loads said build they just don't show up

[sweet dove]

Are you saying that as a possible problem or solution

[radiant lion]

as a possible way for it to be implemented

[sweet dove]

Got it

Is it possible to write on the grey boxes that appear with mods and their options?

In game

[radiant lion]

i don't think so

you can have the lil messages on the right tho

[sweet dove]

Right, so you'd have to be directed to the file. I was thinking writing the file name on the box, and the mod would find it and create a decal

Then as the decal was created, it was assigned to the build, so that of someone without the mod downloads the build from the workshop i.e., they'd just have to activate it and the decal appears

Not sure if this is possible this way tho

[near parcel]

Mods can't access files outside of their own folder

[dapper jay]

mods SUCK 😡😡

[open acorn]

mods cause a decrease in pressure inside a pressurised volume creating a suction force

[formal crane]

Is TrailCity broken for anyone else? @warm canopy
I am getting constant Failed to call update due to trying to SetScale on a nil object or something like that.

[radiant lion]

It probably used a now purged asset

[formal crane]

Purged assets should return an empty object with a transform to mitigate that exact problem.

[radiant lion]

Then try logging every time it spawns an object, the problematic one will be right before the error

[formal crane]

Yeah I am mainly just bringing it up as this haven't been reported to us by anyone (to my knowledge!) -- so I was just wondering if it was something on my end.

[warm canopy]

Odd as it wasnt broken before

This is on live branch?

[formal crane]

Yes.

[warm canopy]

I tested it last when the concave collisions got added

And it was working fine then