3rd Subclass Ideas

[pale imp]

Warrior: Tanker. Battlemage but for armor. It's an ability-based subclass that recharge overtime or by dealing damage or taking damage. Must have the seal attached to the armor to activate the ability. An unenhanted armor gives him a shield, but for every glyph in the game has a special effect when triggered
Mage: Alchemist. Warden but for potions & runestones. Also for trinkets to gain a special active abilities exclusive for him (not to overpower, not to underpower)
Rogue: Trapper. Using a search mechanic to analyze the trap & store it's knowledge to then create that analyzed trap remotely. That trap won't harm the hero himself & invisible to the enemy so that the enemy themself won't avoid it
Huntress: Tamer. Tame 1 enemy at time, permanently turned them into an ally. The tamed can moved between floors, can be commanded, can be strengthened, & when dies has a cooldown to use the tame ability again
Duelist: Marksman. Champion but for thrown weapons. Every thrown weapon can be 'equipped' just like dual wield mechanic in Champion to gain a special ability but at a cost of it's durability & only 1 thrown weapon can be equipped in the stack
Cleric: ??? (I have no idea)

[rancid hedge]

Theres alrdy a thrown weapon subclass

And the cost of durability isnt impactful when u realizs that throwables can become unbreakable

[pallid scaffold]

also throwies aren't varied enough

for having champ mechanic

duelist has clear utility and offensive archetypes in her abilities

so wielding both things makes sense as playstyle

[pale imp]

Freerunner? That's not count as his main gimmick is Freerunning that give him an extra speed, evasion, & throwies damage via talent. Sniper? Her main gimmick is her special bow attack that needs a thrown weapon to initiate that but yeah she's kinda a thrown weapon subclass.

But I agree with the durability cost, though. But that is only that came to mind, so I just wait for Evan to improve throwies once again in the future to see if some of the improvements can be further benefits for my ideas

[pale imp]

No need to be too varied, just exists with clear purpose is enough. Just like all Swords variant across all tiers has a same ability for Duelist, why not for throwies with the spear throwies (spike, fish spear, spear, javelin, trident) having the same ability?

[pallid scaffold]

Well, there is 3 kinds of throwies on each tier

Compared to melee 5-6

[pale imp]

Yeah I see your point

Not counting tipped dart because that would be too complicated

[rancid hedge]

Half of the throwies are just that
The variance is shuriken, kunai, bolas, tomahawk, boomerang and cube
The non variance is everything else

Again, weird that the thrown weapon master isnt a thrown weapon master since apparently duelist also masters them

[pallid scaffold]

Okay on other classes

[pale imp]

Because there isn't?

[pallid scaffold]

Tamer is just, like... Rose but for free?

[pale imp]

Siren scroll but can moved between floor if I can be analogycal

[pallid scaffold]

Also, huntress' playstyle does not synergize with ally help at all

They will block her shots and trample her grass

[pale imp]

But then we have the Spirit Hawk

[pallid scaffold]

Spirit hawk is slightly different because it is flying and acts as additional FOV, not an attacker

[rancid hedge]

Which doesnt trample as a flying scout type npc
And actually does have a small block shot issue

But tbh not 100% against a tamer

[pallid scaffold]

It is a cool nature-themed idea, sure

[rancid hedge]

But too many allies is also a pain to control

Especially if one moves faster than the other, can cause some annoying loops

[pale imp]

Huntress's game mechanic is to find a spot to bully her enemies afar, so with a tamer's tamed then the emeny's agroo is focused on the tamed so that tamer can bully her enemies safely

[pallid scaffold]

That's actually how minions in Summoning work

[pallid scaffold]

Enemies can prioritize them

[rancid hedge]

Or just keep range and kite

[pallid scaffold]

While you are further away

[rancid hedge]

And use high burst to eliminate easily

[rancid hedge]

Or up close, like 4 tiles

3-4 tbh

But yh, tamer i dont mind

[pallid scaffold]

Trapper one feels... even more microheavy?

[rancid hedge]

Trapper is just more reclaim traps

[pale imp]

Or just like the earthen guardian mechanic that forced enemies to attack them regardless of it's surrounding

[pallid scaffold]

No, reclaim can be used at any point

While this spec lure enemies into traps

[rancid hedge]

Tanker is just a weirder gladiator

[pale imp]

I just want his armor advantage to be further strengthened

[rancid hedge]

Cant think of anything that alchemist alrdy is rn

[rancid hedge]

Fair but the 'armor' subclass is alrdy zerker

Dont ask how, it is

[pallid scaffold]

In general, this thread is focused on ideas, that require constant attention

[pale imp]

In a broad sense, it is, but that's not quite unique. Berserker is just Warrior tier 2 with additional bonus damage when rage is high & some 'immortality'.

[rancid hedge]

Mf didnt i say not to question it

Its a complicated topic

[pale imp]

Hehe

[rancid hedge]

Berserker is on an armor class, vs other classes that do more for armor than the armor class, with a subclass thats far different from a usual berserker style

Too much thinky

Armor subclass. Done

[pale imp]

That's what I'm gonna talking about, with some variety revolving around glyphs

[rancid hedge]

But tbf theres also the issue that evan intends for warrior to be simple, while not wanting armor to become too strong

[ruby iron]

tanker sounds like a headache

[pale imp]

Update: Warrior now get his mini rework to how his seal work, now it's time to rework my idea as well. This new idea came from me reading some of the other idea that emphasize in creating a new class concept.
The new 3rd subclass for Warrior: Cavalry
This new 3rd subclass is focus on mobility unlike the previous idea. This subclass is more of like Gladiator & Freerunner combined. You build a thing similar to Momentum in Freerunner (don't know the name), but instead of activating Freerunning, it instead unlock some special ability in tier like Gladiator but related to movement with a damage value. That ability can be used to escape or to initiate a fight to deal damage faster early (because this mobility also has some damage value). I don't have the exact idea about the ability itself (sorry)

One of the idea that comes to mind with the ability is a Duelist's Lunge ability made for Warrior. The other is Rush, the last tier Cavalry ability that uses all of his 'Momentum' to give a special buff 'Rush', run at 2x faster, damaging & knocking any enemies that blocked or near the path. The duration is equivalent to 'Momentum' that has been builded, up to 150 turns (let me know about this if this kinda excessive or not)

[runic temple]

Tbh sounds more like freeruner + monk
But the core idea is not bad

[pale imp]

And also the 'Momentum' thing can be expired for every 5 or 10 turns Cavalry is not moving

[pale imp]

Monk's only movement ability is Dash only, & Monk's ability doesn't fade overtime while Cavalry is which I said is a Gladiator & Freerunner combined

[runic temple]

Idk if i was making warrior 3rd subclass i would do something like parrying
You can use your weapon to increase your defense/stack shielding for a few turns, after successful parrying/shielding loosing you can perform special abilities, idk, like leap or something to do with glyphs

So it's kinda hybrid
Like more defense oriented gladiator or more interactive zerker

[runic temple]

Last ability is kindaaaa similar to dragon punch

[pale imp]

Yeah maybe, but that's okay though

Also to balance things out, the 'Momentum' or so buff has a cap like 50 turns? & after exhausting all that 'Momentum' thing Cavalry has an 'Exhausted' debuff that halves his movement speed & attack speed for a short time (5-10 turns?) & also can't collect any 'Momentum' thing when 'Exhausted'

Something not present in Freerunner

Because be honest, running can be so exhausting

[pale imp]

Honestly I like that idea too, that's an improvement to my Tanker ideas

[runic temple]

Freerunning does have cooldown tho

[pale imp]

But not with a debuff

[runic temple]

It's a debuff on it's own i think
You can't use any subclass specific abilities for some time

[pale imp]

Yeah it seems so. The thing is, Cavalry can use any of his ability (but that ability itself has a cooldown before using it again) as long as he has that 'Momentum' thing. That's why when exhausting all of his 'Momentum' thing (not counting expired when Cavalry not moving) the Cavalry get his own debuff in addition to the cooldown (which you say is also a debuff)

Also the Rush ability also has a drawback, that is no evasion bonus & when blocked by enemies in addition to damaging & knocking them the Cavalry also receive some damage in propotion to the damage he dealt to enemies. And yes, almost every ability excluding Lunge has some kind of damage received drawback when use to damage the enemy, great for the new Broken Seal mechanic

[autumn loom]

two even

[pale imp]

He can't blink because of his physique, therefore we can exclude that ability in Cavalry

[pale imp]

Make it 3 then, with each has a unique interaction with thrown weapon

[rancid hedge]

And duelist blink naturally

[pale imp]

She's not bulky

[rancid hedge]

I dont think its a good idea to try to make the 3rd class just 2 other subclasses combined

[rancid hedge]

Monk?

You have multiple defensives on her

And no one said u cant run high armor on her

[pale imp]

Fair enough

Cavalry theme is running, so make sense not include blink in his kit

[rancid hedge]

Yh but again, combining two subclasses into one for a different class as their 3rd subclass just isnt a good idea imo

Its basically just freerunner without a cloak

[pale imp]

Hmm if you say so

In fact, isn't this whole idea takes from already existing mechanic that gets altered in some way? Take my Marksman idea, it literally altered the Champion mechanic. Trapper is the Reclaim Trap altered into a subclass, Tamer is ESoSS altered into subclass, Alchemist is Warden in some sense but altered to be a potions & runestones & immediate effect (but on the other side, this is the most unique subclass that I suggest)

So combining 2 subclass into 1 & put it in another class is not that bad idea. But that's because this is my most creative idea I can deliver (I'm not a great idealist)