Buff Katana is ability

[viscid gorge]

Surprisingly it's worse than cleave in damage and it doesn't have that lethal momentum effect or reuseablity and it can't be even used in point blank

[viscid gorge]

@terse grove

@vagrant walrus

Seriously why?

[terse grove]

its good

[viscid gorge]

How?

[viscid gorge]

Look at both

[viscid gorge]

I now believe that ur just wanna argue over everything

[terse grove]

idk, it doesnt seem that bad + the average damage is similar

[viscid gorge]

Wait it have higher minimum damage

[viscid gorge]

But it can't be used in point blank compared to cleave

It can't be instant like cleave

It can't be reused like cleave

[terse grove]

it can be used at distance, unlike clever

[viscid gorge]

It's not used at distance

[terse grove]

1 tile range is distance

[viscid gorge]

It would force u to move 1 tile

Then hit

[terse grove]

yeah

[viscid gorge]

If u don't have that tile u can't use it

That only help when trying to get a hit less from a ranged enemies

But it ain't worth it @terse grove

Try it urself in debug

[terse grove]

it is worth against magic enemies and scorpios

[viscid gorge]

Is that a good reason?

[viscid gorge]

@terse grove why u ran away?

[terse grove]

idk i went to play isaac felt more interesting

[viscid gorge]

K now u can answer my question

[terse grove]

i spent the whole afternoon playing isaac

it is balanced cuz katana is speedy, thus making the attack faster

[viscid gorge]

How it's speedy

It have no speed bost

[terse grove]

Oh mb i thought it was the scimitar

it has defense

same thing

so to balance the defence, the ability is slightly worse

[wild spindle]

You also have to realize buffing lunge = buffing duelist's starter weapon

Which makes duelist start with effectively a t2 or such

[wild spindle]

Dude u kinda sound pretentious saying this
People have lives, they might not always be able sit around and discuss sht, just b patient

[viscid gorge]

U don't understand why i said that actually

And it's none of ur business

[viscid gorge]

Not lunge... Katana is lunge

[wild spindle]

Ok, fair

[wild spindle]

Anc so is rapier

[viscid gorge]

Look at the image on top and u would understand

[viscid gorge]

They both named lunge but not the same

[spice hatch]

its a tool to deal with scorpios

also what aimfire said lol

even tho katana has better scaling and base damage than rapier (for obvious reasons)

buffing lunge as a whole means buffing duelist's earlygame

[lavish tendon]

Maybe just make lunge ability damage scale with upgrades more than the others.So if katana is your main its ability will be more simular to other abilities and the early game is the same

Because lunge is literally only used against scorpios witch are literally 2 floors compared to all the other floors spent with katana.And also you can just switch dagger/assasins to blink anyways(for scorpios)

[vagrant walrus]

@wooden quiver

Youre being delt with

[spice hatch]

running wont help you.

[viscid gorge]

Tbh @spice hatch opinion is fair

The only buff it might need it just it's base power without sou

[wild spindle]

It already got that, like twice

[viscid gorge]

Fr?

[wild spindle]

How does this explain that rapier isn't lunge?
They are both named lunge and both function mechanically as lunge

[wild spindle]

Yes, check changelogs

[viscid gorge]

Rapier ability damage is higher than worn short sword ability damage

They don't have the same % boost

[wild spindle]

And if ur gonna mention a small dmg difference then that doesn't chsnge the fact that buffing lunge would mean buffing rapier's lunge

[viscid gorge]

I just said buff it for katana ONLY @wild spindle

[wild spindle]

Thats convoluted

[viscid gorge]

If u check it's code it not impossible let me show u

[wild spindle]

Its possible
Just convoluted

[viscid gorge]

Wym? Convoluted?

[wild spindle]

Unnecessarily specific

[viscid gorge]

Well look at the image i posted on top

The katana ability without upgrading is 1 damage less than cleave but with upgrading it's stronger

That small buff is enough

Before saying that thing u sure it doesn't deserve that buff?

U sure Honestly

[wild spindle]

Considering that ktn's dmg was based on a %boost (the range ur seeing there is just the base range + percentage boost), and considerjng the % dmgs were reworked a bunch of times, it would be unlikely for it to be buffed again and specifcally only for katana simply because you didnt like a number on katana but do on rapier

[wild spindle]

What?

[viscid gorge]

Honestly that buff is a bad idea?

Without over confidence or lying

[wild spindle]

...yes

[viscid gorge]

I am going to trust on ur words

[wild spindle]

Its alrdy been thru buffs

Just gonna say this: thats a really poor way to discuss stuff
Idk how to describe it but this whole feeling of "cmon bro, lets be real/honest" is kinds dumb, cuz i mean i didnt come to discuss stuff while being fake or smth.

Im not an asshole (or at least i try not be lol)

[viscid gorge]

I see it got a damage up

[viscid gorge]

Some people lie to not admit being wrong

[wild spindle]

Ok..

What if i were to assume that about you?

[viscid gorge]

U honestly have the right to

U don't know me or anything about me to trust me

[wild spindle]

Thats fair ig

[viscid gorge]

So deleting this post is a good idea?

[wild spindle]

I dont agree but im not gonna tell you to delete it lol
Ur choice ig

[lavish tendon]

I say leave it because lunge is still worse than most abilities.And also i feel like everyone is undermining the fact you cant use the ability most of the time after you use it once in the whole fight with an enemy.Lunge is worse than other abilities and it needs adressing.maybe we didnt come to the solution here but it servers as a reminder to someone that might try to think of a solution that fits this ability

[viscid gorge]

Well with damage aug enemies don't survive it

With runes on its horrible