Magical infusion buff

[rigid wing]

Magical infusion is a usefull item but i never seen anyone use it even for runic blade it's cuz in fact that u need to spend 12 energy to keep ur enchantment and people usually wait to the lategame and enchant which is kinda make it feel useless maybe if it's cost were lowered yo 4-8 it would be more balanced

[tawdry leaf]

they should just get removed imo, they're redundant and losing enchantments when upgrading is a limitation that doesn't make sense to trivialize

[rigid wing]

U think the ability to remove enchantments just needs to be removed?

[tawdry leaf]

i don't think you should be able to craft magical infusions

[rigid wing]

Why?

[tawdry leaf]

because losing enchantments lategame its part of the game

you shouldn't be able to craft an item to avoid it alltogether

[rigid wing]

Well it's supposed to make it a cost for having enchantments

[tawdry leaf]

if you have a +4 item and wanna keep upgrading it, losing the enchantment should be a risk that's always there

[rigid wing]

It would become 100% chance

[tawdry leaf]

you dont get to craft an item and remove that risk

[rigid wing]

It's kinda bad for duelist

That risk is very very bad not just a small risk

[tawdry leaf]

well you just said you've never seen anyone use it

so you can play around it obviously

[rigid wing]

True

Most people just go and wait until they get the amount of sous they wanna invest

But for duelists it's unbalanced

[tawdry leaf]

if a class/subclass has a weakness you dont just remove that weakness because its inconvenient

that makes the game less intricate

[rigid wing]

Runic slash doesn't work without enchantment

It's already the weakest

Also u need to think about ur opinion

[tawdry leaf]

im not saying it isn't

just that if you wanna buff it, do it some other way

while keeping its difficulties intact

[rigid wing]

Well look

That item is bad

Enchantments aren't that huge boost

That class can buff them

But without them it can go

It's annoying to have such an item anyway

For example if ur battlemage and got projecting enchantment

U know that it would be bad to spend more than 60 energy for it

Like u already paid an sou @tawdry leaf

[marsh crest]

Magical Infusion's cost has not mechanically changed

the catalyst's effective cost has just been merged into normal cost

[rigid wing]

True

Og infusion was also bad

[gaunt tartan]

infusion is fine

there’s no reason to remove it and anger a bunch of people

if you don’t like it

don’t use it

[pearl patio]

Infusion is good, I sometimes use it

[rigid wing]

U honest rn? It cost 12 alchemy energy for each

[rigid wing]

Fair

[shrewd patrol]

Yh, and sometimes an enchant/glyph is needed

[shrewd patrol]

U sure? What people r u talking about?

[rigid wing]

I said i didn't see anyone

[shrewd patrol]

Waiting too long to do stuff is generally a bad idea

[rigid wing]

either here or reddit i never seen someone post using them

[rigid wing]

Exactly and that 12 energy as a price is very much

[shrewd patrol]

Theres multiple things to energize, thats rly not much

[shrewd patrol]

Not seeing people use the item =/= no one uses the item

[rigid wing]

Be realistic when was the last time u created one

[shrewd patrol]

If im not using magical infusion its cuz im not upgrading melee or armor
Thats not a magic infusion issue thats a 'i dont do melee' issue

I would legitimately go naked

[rigid wing]

Bro not meleeing as champion is not bowing as hunteress

[shrewd patrol]

I have gone naked

[shrewd patrol]

Also done bowless 9c

[rigid wing]

Yes but used melee

[shrewd patrol]

Ok, bet

[rigid wing]

But champion without melee does nothing

[rigid wing]

Or ss?

Or wands?

Name a thing champion can do without using melee

[shrewd patrol]

On champion, using curse infuses, u will need magic infusion a lot because curse infuse boosts item lvl to +8 easily. Upgrading at this point means losing the curse infuse and having to reroll, so if u wanted to efficiently twin upgrade ur gonna have to magical infuse starting from like metropolis (cuz u get curse infuse after DM300). This also applies to runs where you mainly upgrade a melee weapon and end up curse infusing it or having the run be carried by a highly upgraded good enchant weapon (polarized with arcana, vampiric, projecting, grim, the last 3 being meta for melee 9c)

In my champion run im sure i had to magical infuse to preserve the not-pissing-me-off curse i had and not have to reroll and get smth like sacrificial.

Additionally a strat to do with elemental strike is to curse (infuse) a weapon for dazzling or annoying, then magical infuse it to keep the curse and remove the binding aspect of the curse. Now u can swift equip it to use dazzling or annoying elemental blast. The former blinds all enemies for like 10 turns (super useful) and the latter amoks enemies in the blast (also super useful), so in this case a single magical infuse = more ranged interrupt/control

[shrewd patrol]

Wands

You can also prime combined lethality with a non offensive ability and just punch with a garbage melee weapon if anything

[shrewd patrol]

And mentioning champion completely ignores the other 9 subclasses
So to me this seems like ur tunnel visioning to "I don't use it on champion so it's not good for champion", while ignoring ways it could be used

I didnt mention champion, so idk why it's being brought up on a buff for an item that isn't champion exclusive

[rigid wing]

Look i am not denying how much their cost and i didn't say delete them

I said lower their cost

Other classes doesn't need that much energy for example

It's rather

[shrewd patrol]

Ok, but you said you dont see anyone using them.
And this statement as well as the initial argument, to me at least, implies you don't see use of them

I gave uses

[shrewd patrol]

I dont get why u keep mentioning 'other classes'

Expound on that

[rigid wing]

It's

[rigid wing]

I heard people saying champion worst class endlessly

[shrewd patrol]

Ok, that's irrelevant to this discussion

[rigid wing]

Wym are u even talking about the thread idea

[shrewd patrol]

Magical infusion buff
Where in that mentions any subclass?

[shrewd patrol]

I asked you to expound on your statement saying other classes dont need that much energy
You answer in a statement that doesn't even address energy usage

[rigid wing]

It's not needed for all

enchantments are more useful for some than others

[shrewd patrol]

Yh, but its still useful for some, and for those they would love this magical infusion
This also ignore magical infusion interaction with curses and curse infusion

[rigid wing]

It's mainly cuz duelist need the most

Runic slash and elemental. Srrike

Bm having to enchant staff too

[shrewd patrol]

Magical infusion was actually made more expensive from 11 energy based on evan's balancing
So ur just gonna have to learn to energize more items to use it and stop hoarding

[rigid wing]

I don't hoard

I energize many things

[pearl patio]

and?

[rigid wing]

15 sou

U have 15 sou

[pearl patio]

ik

also, any nerf made to magical infusion is an indirect buff to warrior, and vice versa

[rigid wing]

How?

[rigid wing]

It's not a nerf it's a buff

Man u need to stop being overconfidence

[pearl patio]

warrior's seal can transfer a gliph. And can be used to avoid using magical infusions. So you can upgrade armor while keeping a glyph. Then, nerfing the magical infusion indirectly buffs the warrior. And vice versa

[pearl patio]

Man u need to stop telling people what they need to be

[marsh crest]

actual what

[pearl patio]

ye?

[pearl patio]

whats wrong?

[marsh crest]

The idea that warrior is "buffed" by removing enchantment preservation options is... incoherent

His seal is still limited

[pearl patio]

Indirectly buffed

[marsh crest]

Nobody chooses a class based on how well their armor glyph lives through dumping

[marsh crest]

No

[marsh crest]

That's called regression

[pearl patio]

Removing a global option makes the specific character that can still do that slightly better, as if you want to use that option, you must use that character, thus making it an option to consider over the rest, making it better than the rest in an aspect, thus buffing it

[pearl patio]

If you remove MI it's an option to consider. I recently won with warrior cuz I used a gliph on F3 on my leather seal attached armor and the gliph was thorns. Here's how it ended (ok maybe the thorns glyph wasn't all there was towards winning that game)

how tf do i put italics on discord

[pearl patio]

but at least I won without using any healing pot. Could've used pharmacophobia and the run would've ended the same way tbh.. well, no, I'd have ended with more energy

[marsh crest]

Kind of like situation this meme describes: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/they-feed-us-poison

[pearl patio]

wat? what does it have to do with this?

[marsh crest]

Poison is enchantments fading with upgrades

"Cure" is warrior

And medicine is magical infusion

[pearl patio]

ok

[marsh crest]

Just like with many things in this game

You trade resources for safety

[pearl patio]

I'd reverse the medicine and the cure, taking in account how the warrior has that as an innate innate-ish talent, while you have to craft unnaturally the MI

And how the MI is much more expensive than warrior's seal (if warrior)

[marsh crest]

unnaturally

Okay I will stop talking here

Because, as I see it, magical infusion "needing" a buff stems from more wide experience with players not needing to pay for safety

The game considers enchantment dissipation an important downside to "dumping"

And therefore asks you to pay the price to avoid it

That's it.

Warrior is allowed to preserve glyphs, because generally glyphs are significantly more accessible with styluses dropping in every chapter and sold in every shop

[pearl patio]

I think it is because the warrior is akin to armor, thus giving him access to a mechanic that benefits the use of an armor component, the glyphs

[pearl patio]

It is not a downside to dumping, but to dump on a found weapon or armor already enchanted / glyphed, because you can avoid dissipation on a weapon/armor you plan to enchant/glyph by just upgrading first, enchanting second