hazy egret
Challenge idea
Ranged nerf: Enemies receive damage from ranged attacks over time, as if they had viscosity +2. Receiving ranged damage gives half a turn of haste to the affected enemy, ally or self.
Things to discuss:
idle stone
remove the haste and imo its perfect
hazy egret
remove the haste and imo its perfect
May you provide some arguments?
idle stone
this is bordering on old fima and old chals in general
old chals completely removed stuffs
the new ones severely limit something but dont quite remove it completely
just giving ranged attacks the viscosity effect is enuff to cripple all ranged builds
since now pretty much everything behaves like dwarf king phase 3, letting them close the gap with u even after u should have killed them with ease
adding the haste is just salt to the wound and pretty much reaffirming old chals like old on diet completley removing food items
hazy egret
I'd still go for a ranged build with both nerfs in 10ch, in what challenges amount context are you mostly talking about?
idle stone
well duh ofc ud go for a ranged build
the issue is nothing u do will rly change that
bcuz 9chal makes everything that isnt a ranged build insanely painful
so adding one extra thing to nerf ranged builds doesnt make u wantto use a non-ranged build, it changes nothing but add more pain to the game
nothing short of remoinv them entirely that is
idle stone
I'd still go for a ranged build with both nerfs in 10ch, in what challenges amou...
old challenges had a habit of removing mechanics entirely instead of just limiting them
adding the haste basically deletes ranged entirely instead of just nerfing it
hazy egret
I do like it being simpler without the haste thing
Tell me what level of viscosity you think would be best
idle stone
since now enemies get significantly more turns to reach u in melee, AND haste on top
hazy egret
+4 is 50% deferrence, +2 is 37.5%
idle stone
I do like it being simpler without the haste thing
Tell me what level of viscosi...
idfk lol
ud have to be very careful with the number u set it up
oh yeah worth noting
this doesnt affect rogue too much
hazy egret
Should I explicitedly mention wands are included?
Also, what do you think of ranged weapons here?
idle stone
cuz assassin and freeruner
idle stone
Should I explicitedly mention wands are included?
Also, what do you think of ran...
honestly id just make it nerf wands
wands are insanely op
throwables are good but nto as good by default
u kinda need sharpie to make them be real powerhouses
warm light
honestly id just make it nerf wands
Go one step further:
"When enemy takes damage and not directly adjacent to you, that damage gets converted into deffered damage"
warm light
It will go straight into tcpd
idle stone
pog
idle stone
bow is a throwable
warm light
And second nerfing all damage to enemies away from you
warm light
One nerfing wands/throwablea/bow
And modifier that makes it apply to you too
So ranged enemies will hit ya for deffered
merry quest
hazy egret
old chals completely removed stuffs
It would still be less removing than fima. Is fima the same from old chals? Does it need a rework to make it not remove over 80% of armor? I'd be stoked to have that idea tread instead
idle stone
It would still be less removing than fima. Is fima the same from old chals? Does...
it no longer removes armor, and a lot of additions to the game allow defensiveness to still be used in fima
warlock, warden, tenacity, chalice shenannigans, even viscosity if u wanna go that route
while armor still mattering a lot in prisons
hazy egret
it no longer removes armor, and a lot of additions to the game allow defensivene...
Consumables and ways to create space still let you use ranged damage... far more than fima lets you use armor
idle stone
¯_(ツ)_/¯
still think it shouldnt give haste
i dont think fima should exist the way it does currently either
but id rather, yk
not make a new fima
since this new fima doesnt exist yet but the other does
hazy egret
That's like 90% of ranged damage effectiveness vs 40% damage mitigation effectiveness
merry quest
I am also not in support of giving mobs haste
forced damage is always kind of unfair
hazy egret
I'm not too keen on it either, I'm just saying
"Hey, can't we use this argument to nerf fima?"
Since fima is 5 times more removing of an equally important feature than what I proposed
merry quest
are we discussing the new challenge or how existing challenges are flawed and should be changed?
hazy egret
Both. Now we're also discussing "What are we discussing?"
But hopefully it's apparent that the answer to that question is, most often, more than one topic
idle stone
I'm not too keen on it either, I'm just saying
"Hey, can't we use this argument ...
u are getting me wrong
i dont think fima should exist the way it does rn
but rn, fima exists, this doesnt, so lets not make a second fima
idle stone
lmfao
altho tbf
fima has one thing that makes it "not as bad"
armor having the gameplay depth of a puddle
hearty nest
fima invalidates melee pretty much unless you rely on evasion which is always a terrible idea
idle stone
u could argue that bcuz of that, "removing" it isnt as bad. Me, idfk, all ik is that armor is boring and i dont like how fima removes melee pretyt much
and i wish armor wasnt a kddie pool in terms of gameplay variety and depth
literally just one armor per tier, and all it does is numbers
nothing else
like holy
hearty nest
if there's a challenge that nerfs ranged as much as fima nerfs melee wands become the only option
idle stone
and before u go "but glyphs", yeah weapons can have enchantments too so
not an excuse
hazy egret
if there's a challenge that nerfs ranged as much as fima nerfs melee wands becom...
Wands are 100% included lmao
hearty nest
faith is my damage
hazy egret
then everyone gets fucked
Not everyone
hearty nest
i'd honestly just remove fima
merry quest
Evan had an idea for fima
idle stone
Not everyone
everyone
merry quest
Armor generates shielding at rapid rate instead of providing defense
merry quest
this shielding is depleted on attacks just like regular barrier
idle stone
Armor generates shielding at rapid rate instead of providing defense
thatd be good
hearty nest
wow that sounds like a decent armor system rework rather than a challenge
hazy egret
This makes upgrading straight damage even more the norm instead of more varied ways of winning fights and traversing the game
Can the hero be disabled too?
hearty nest
yeah everyone can
also damage dumping wouldn't get you far because weapons affect resistance and hp in different amounts
you could have a weapon that deals a lot of flat damage but if it keeps the resistance bar full you won't make much out of it
unless you smartly use something to help it like ranged weapons, rings or debuffs
merry quest
wow that sounds like a decent armor system rework rather than a challenge
I am now not sure if this is direction I want
my idea was to replace armor rolls with defense
hazy egret
also damage dumping wouldn't get you far because weapons affect resistance and h...
Do you have to deplete both for something to die?
hearty nest
no just the hp bar
merry quest
my idea was to replace armor rolls with defense
defense affects both magical and physical damage but in different ratios
the more primitive variant was already done in Torment PD shortly before it stopped development
hazy egret
defense affects both magical and physical damage but in different ratios
Magic just ignores this special kind of new shielding :p
hearty nest
magic ignoring defense is kinda stupid imo
makes sense for stuff like corrosion and disintegration but not for blast wave or magic missile at all
merry quest
defense affects both magical and physical damage but in different ratios
armor tiers would change this ratio for different armor sets
hazy egret
makes sense for stuff like corrosion and disintegration but not for blast wave o...
I mean, what stops you from saying magic missile is physical damage?
