how would thorns work
#rw ttrpg thread
regal mulch
Going off normal thorns, or your fire adapt?
thorns
Normal thorns your attacker takes damage when you're hit, not when you hit something.
why do you think its when you hit something
i never said that
I was just stating.
ah ok
So if a lizard bites you, it takes damage.
im gonna remove the action to activate camo and fire
its a free action
wait wait
should i make sneak attacks a thing
nah
they already are
we dont need to buff that
im gonna rework pounce for nightcat
regal mulch
im gonna remove the action to activate camo and fire
its gonna be just +2 agility if i do this
so rn i need to
make camo a free actionrework pounce (stealth attack)water spray adaptationclarify DC difficulty reductions dont stackadd DCs to adaps and rites- better monk downside
let you shoot 3 things at once with spraymin mod 0- rework carrying
what would a water adap do
alpine kelp
what would a water adap do
idk, anything from:
- proficiency traveling or otherwise being in water
- control over maybe, idk, some sort of mechanical water tank that could absorb water and then shoot it out
- magic control over a certain amount of water like a waterbender from avatar
regal mulch
first one is riv
second could work but i want to try to avoid a lot of "you get an extra attack" adaps
Second one is a just a water gun Slugcat finds. Lol
3rd magic is for rites
maybe you can shoot water out of your mouth if you absorb some
deals no damage
but it can push stuff around
and it could maybe have the same effects as a rock
For when your friend sets themselves on fire and you're confused af so you put them out. Lol
(down one DC level)
would also work as riv
good synergy
maybe a like
you can also douse yourself in water
Oooooh
alpine kelp
ok so im thinking it's more of a fludd sort of pack if we go for the second one
that gives us 4 easy options:
- water spray
- falling cancel/hover
- boost into the air
- use it to boost your ground speed
the water could require either waiting a set amount of turns or jumping into water to refill
regal mulch
Ye, and then you're moist
in addition to the water spray
i like water spray
because it allows you to interact with enviroments, creatures, and yourself/other players
alpine kelp
ok so im thinking it's more of a fludd sort of pack if we go for the second one
...
im thinking that if these options were limited-use - aka these things use water in the pack up and you need to refill it or be left without the abilities - then it would promote non-degenerate creative solutions
id say let's simplify it further into either "water spray" or "burst"
burst sends you in whatever direction but uses all the water
water spray has more uses
regal mulch
id say water spray can be used 3 times before you need a refill
and then a like
make yourself moist draws from the same pool
a spot in the character sheet for keeping track of effects will be nice
like temp stuff
alpine kelp
what would moistness do exactly
alpine kelp
ok
regal mulch
and as riv
you have disadvtange on resistance and tolerance if not moist
So it'd be a very good adap as Riv.
yes
not necessary at all though
But here's the question. How do we turn that into an adap instead of an item? Adap implies genetics.
intentional synergies is a good idea
regal mulch
But here's the question. How do we turn that into an adap instead of an item? Ad...
weird purposed organism shit
alpine kelp
id say an additional use of this "water engine" is that it can be used for free if you're in water
so you can basically use it like fludd's turbo mode and boost across water very quickly
regal mulch
weird purposed organism shit
Your body just absorbs it like sponge. Lol
regal mulch
weird purposed organism shit
"you discovered how to reactivate a dormant water jet, likely a remanent from purposed ancestors"
alpine kelp
id say though, if we plan to not remove the "burst" then maybe we should think about working it into something
i would say maybe make it a rivulet adaptation but we already have two of those
dry oriole
id say an additional use of this "water engine" is that it can be used for free ...
Yeah, I was just thinking about Fludd while reading this! XD Cool ideas!
alpine kelp
i think it would make sense to basically have a "burst" of water from some internal storage mechanism/organ that expelled water to propel the slugcat in any direction they wanted
main uses of this would be:
- last-minute evasion
- save from falling
- fast water movement (as the water refills)
- maybe even boost yourself upwards or to the side to increase ground speed or do essentially a "double-jump" in the air
regal mulch
wait holy shit i have an idea how to make that into an adap for all slugcats
somehow say they have a like
imbedded micro gravity generator
Mmmmmm
so it could force you in a direction for a short time
just say its faulty so it dosent last long
maybe have it force you to make a finesse check for it to activate
also allows finesse based dodging
alpine kelp
keep in mind that this is basically how we've seen artificer explosions in downpour work though
regal mulch
true
but artis explosions are also damaging so
i love the small gravity generator idea though
what would the skill be for it though
comp? finesse?
The gravity thing feels a bit iffy to me. Instead something more like cyans? I believe it's gas propulsion if I remember correctly.
regal mulch
The gravity thing feels a bit iffy to me. Instead something more like cyans? I b...
how so
whys it iffy
It just doesn't make sense to me how a gravity generator would propel you.
well it exerts a gravitational force on you in a direction
ig
alpine kelp
cyans appear to be powered by baja blast that acts as rocket fuel
so in terms of adaptations let's just say that you get the cyan lizard boost thing
maybe you can even get one cyan lizard appearance trait from it (you gain bioluminescent eyes, the rings, or one of the cyan tails)
cyans are known to be inaccurate with their boosting anyway, so the entire finesse thing could still apply
regal mulch
that works
i like gravity generator idea bit more as its more unique
and i dont want to overlap with the webbed arms idea too much
alpine kelp
yes, but on the other hand, cool slugcat designs
regal mulch
counterpoint
nothing stopping you from looking like that at the start
i feel like a short range like
dash works better
but we already have that
It is unique, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A gravity generator inside you doesn't sound like it would boost you, it sounds like it'd pull everything to you.
no its more like the generators in pebbles
alpine kelp
besides, we already have Telekinesis - we've got enough gravity defying spells as it is
regal mulch
if youre too close they push you away
alpine kelp
no its more like the generators in pebbles
those are known to pull you towards the center
alpine kelp
gravity generation could maybe be a host ability
i just don't think it really fits the flavor of a generic adaptation
regal mulch
Would it make more sense to put the generator in your feet then? So it pushes you away from the object. Pushing against your while inside of you sounds like it'd try ripping itself out of you. Lol
that makes more sense
but i do like the finesse based movement idea
That fixes why it sounds weird to me.
any other ideas that do the same thing
alpine kelp
planet is magnetic
put opposing magnets in feet
fly
alpine kelp
the idea with the cyan boost is that it acts to improve movement by acting as more than just a reaction
regal mulch
A third arm, carry more stuff on top of overstuffed cheeks. Lol
Allow a third spear maybe.
lets go with cyan boost
wait should we clarify DCs in the description of adaps
like for webbed arms
alpine kelp
we can add a twelfth cat that uses troll physics if you want
regal mulch
"pass an agility check with a DC of 9 to glide"
for the ones that need it, probably.
regal mulch
we can add a twelfth cat that uses troll physics if you want
theres only 10 though
The 11th is a mystery.
alpine kelp
11th cat is eden from isaac, it has randomized stats, traits, and adaptations
regal mulch
telekenesis shouldnt have a DC assigned to it
because it varies A LOT
a squidcada is much lighter than say
a vulture
do you think you could lift a leviathan
alpine kelp
the dc for an iterator can and a blue fruit shouldn't be the same
regal mulch
A party might if they all work together. Lol
full monk party vs leviathan
i do want to change monks -3 damage downside
Throw it around like the vulture in the last session. Lol
kind of ehh as saint already has the same thing
alpine kelp
monk's downside should be to throwing and carrying and not general muscle i think
but that's just my opinion
alpine kelp
talking about stat distribution
regal mulch
as the min mod might become 0
maybe
big maybe
emeralds suggestion not mine
anyways im gonna try to think of a better monk downside tommorow
regal mulch
- ~~make camo a free action~~
- ~~rework pounce (stealth attack)~~
- ~~water spr...
to do
alpine kelp
ok
i need to sleep anyway (3:30am gang)
regal mulch
I like the thought of having a negative min as it really does incentivize the party to balance their characters. And while Emerald says a min of 0 is the same cause people will have the highest player do it anyway, it better incentivizes teamwork imo.
lets keep the negative mod
also a -5 is much more punishing than a 0
-5 stops you from passing all but the two easiest DCs
and odds are you dont even pass a 6+
3+ is a challenge
I do think -5 is a bit extreme with us only using 2d6, but it better helps the whole teamwork thing as I said.
well its -5 to +5
so
Ik
regal mulch
3+ is a challenge
-5 is a 60% chance to fail a 3+
And it'd probably feel wrong to have it inconsistent like a -3 +5, but -5 is pretty bad. However if we don't start a character with -5 in anything, I think we'll live.
Wait
How would one end up with a stat going further into the neg? Dying?
at character creation
you can subtract points from stats
dark rain
ive already gone over why allowing people to minmax like this isnt a great idea
because there is next to no opportunity cost to decreasing stats to -5
regal mulch
What does subtracting a stat do for you? Add it elsewhere?
regal mulch
What does subtracting a stat do for you? Add it elsewhere?
yeah
alpine kelp
imo permanent injuries shouldnt give permanent stat reductions
it disincentivizes helping other players at the end of cycles bc if you die, you could lose a stat with no way of ever regaining it
regal mulch
permanent injuries can be healed
dark rain
its not really a choice, its just a check for whether you understand how to manipulate probabilities and how tabletop rpgs tend to function
regal mulch
Being able to subtract to add seems a bit funky. Saying if we don't limit that, they could put -5 in like 3 stats and have an extra 15 points right from the start.
dark rain
Being able to subtract to add seems a bit funky. Saying if we don't limit that, ...
and everyone who knows what theyre doing will do this because those stats will be covered by other party members
dark rain
youll have the Taming guy with +5 and everyone else w -5
alpine kelp
and everyone who knows what theyre doing will do this because those stats will b...
even worse is that the dm cant do anything about this without making it blatantly obvious that they're punishing minmax strats
dark rain
yeah lol
regal mulch
ok this gives uh
Min of 0 with subtracting sounds like a decent thought. I do still like the negatives tho.
dark rain
and punishing them would unintentionally punish people who have invested in those stats
regal mulch
30/75 points with 0 as min mod
regal mulch
Min of 0 with subtracting sounds like a decent thought. I do still like the nega...
for species?
Honestly the entirety of lowering to raise feels weird. From my experience with ttrpgs, that's not a thing they typically do.
we already have negative traits
i should make monk illiterate
dark rain
it works if the opportunity cost for lowering a stat is high
regal mulch
Which it's not really in this case from what I hear.
dark rain
no
dark rain
dump stats are funny
regal mulch
Keep negs and remove the ability to lower to add.
alpine kelp
~~i should make monk illiterate~~
canonically monk can read, he just had a timeline skill issue where the pearls suffered their planned obsolescence before he got there
dark rain
im going to shill amg because it doesnt have dump stats 😎
regal mulch
most games end up with a dump stat
atleast our stats have uses
unlike fucking FNV charisma holy shit its so useless
alpine kelp
carrying has entered the chat
regal mulch
carrying is niche
dark rain
carrying is def the universal dump stat lmao
regal mulch
i want to replace it tbh
not sure with what
Carrying is def the dumpstat. It's only real use would be dragging corpses.
alpine kelp
"carrying"? yeah im carrying this terrible uncoordinated team
dark rain
me during the oneshot
regal mulch
carrying will come in handy when intikus drowns for 5 turns again
that was painful to watch
You right. XD
i even gave them an extra action out of pity
and they still died
regal mulch
I was tempted to like go out and help, but also would've gotten killed myself with the terrible rolls I was pulling. Lol
alpine kelp
but in all honesty we need to figure out a better thing because carrying has no practical purpose, especially considering how punishing the rain is to players who do want to attempt corpse-dragging
dark rain
you NEVER touch someone whos having a series of bad rolls
it WILL spread to you
ive seen it happen
consistently
its magic
dark rain
just level vigor lmao
regal mulch
anyways but what could we even replace carrying with
alpine kelp
besides carrying is made nearly compeletely irrelevant if you have a single PP monk on your team
regal mulch
i am never changing that acronym
dark rain
make melee more effective+separate from muscle
muscle is ur athletics skill
and melee can be
4 melee
regal mulch
melee is as effective as throwing though
dark rain
is it
regal mulch
yeah?
dark rain
it does less damage and puts you at risk
regal mulch
i thought you meant just stabbing them with a spear point blank
Melee was my thought, am distracted brb
dark rain
why risk yourself in melee if you can do ranged combat
regal mulch
how would we make unarmed more effective
dark rain
dunno
alpine kelp
natural weapons
regal mulch
i think theres already merit to it as its unlimited
dark rain
i made it effective in amg by allowing melee fighters to bind up ranged fighters
and also giving two-handed melee weapons the highest weapon damage
regal mulch
going off hunter here because every other slugcat melee is a last resort
you do 1d4 + 2 or 1d4 + 4 damage
dark rain
thats crap lmao
alpine kelp
the issue with S&S melee combat is that you are further disincentivized from doing so as 2-3 good hits from most creatures is a death
regal mulch
i feel like 1d4 for nornal slugcats is fine as it is not meant to be a main weapon
by a long shot
hunter maybe should be +3/+6
so 1d4 + 3 or +6
alpine kelp
yeah tbf the only other slugcat i can think of having good unarmed would be if artificer could explosive-punch creatures
as for gourmand im not sure if gravity counts as "unarmed" damage
regal mulch
the issue with S&S melee combat is that you are further disincentivized from doi...
dying also isnt a make a new character thing here
I feel nightcat should have good unarmed as an ambush predator, but that's just me.
regal mulch
as for gourmand im not sure if gravity counts as "unarmed" damage
2d8 damage for falling on a creature
Or high precision.
alpine kelp
dying also isnt a make a new character thing here
it still comes with the potential of a significant downside
regal mulch
-1 at most generally
probably gonna be a -1 for each stat, no injury x2, and 3 other ones
probably -2 hp, -2 blessings, and one other thing
all healable ofc
i think hunters unarmed damage is gonna be buffed ig
nightcat i am giving a stealth attack adaptation to replace pounce
i mean 1d4 + 6 is comparable to a spear
Stealth attack makes more sense
then again hunters spear is 2d6 + 2
+3 more if you crit
dark rain
melee needs to have an advantage over ranged though
since ranged has a natural advantage
in that
its ranged
regal mulch
like
what advantage could it be
more damage? higher accuracy?
but the game itself is mostly ranged combat
dark rain
i dunno
like i said i balanced it in amg by allowing melee fighters to bind up ranged fighters
dark rain
binding definitely is
regal mulch
no what is it
regal mulch
ah ok wanted to make sure
i think we cant really make melee any better than it is rn
dark rain
they can immediately counter with advantage if they get attacked by a ranged weapon that isnt a pistol
regal mulch
and its just not how rain world is anyways
dark rain
tabletop rpgs arent very close to how rain world works either
and i figure getting advantages in melee of some kind helps increase build diversity
rather than just attempting to simulate how rain world works
which doesnt make a great framework for a tabletop rpg imo
regal mulch
well still we need an advantage for melee
advantage on reactions?
if your previous attack was made in melee range
i dont want to be giving out reaction advantages too much you already can feint
fuck wait what if melee attacks lower the DC of a check by one level
dark rain
thats a lot to keep track of
regal mulch
like against a green (12+ resistance DC) its instead a 9+
dark rain
i figure making it something players can keep track of is a good idea
since they can take the load of remembering specifics off the gm
and its their fault if they miss their benefits
ig they could remind the GM every time
regal mulch
thats fair
idk what besides damage or higher chance of X
maybe let you attack two creatures at once in melee?
regal mulch
it would also add some more strategy
because it turns it from like
"only melee or throwing based on build"
to
"melee or throwing depending on build, situation, and risk"
ok yes thats what we are doing
also that means riv can make 4 attacks in one turn against 2 creatures and now im scared and wondering how they do it
holy shit it is late im sleepont
regal mulch
goodnight
dark rain
bye
regal mulch
Sleep well Autumn
verbal grove
hey, why are all the servers closed?
verbal grove
are banning them now
ok, who are they
vernal moat
idk like 200 fake accounts
vernal moat
verbal grove
regal mulch
- ~~make camo a free action~~
- ~~rework pounce (stealth attack)~~
- ~~water spr...
gonna work on some of this stuff
regal mulch
reworked pounce
is check the right term here
and is there a way for me to word this better
magic oasis
is check the right term here
if you are invoking the action on another creature, and they have to roll, it's a saving throw
magic oasis
if you're invoking the action on another creature, and you have to roll, check is probably better
fair enough, i'm just only really used to dnd
regal mulch
would roll be a better term
magic oasis
i think that'd sound good
regal mulch
should we buff hunters unarmed damage
rn its 1d4 + 2 base
and 1d4 + 4 with adrenaline rush
maybe +3/+6
or +2/+5
@hushed bane when are you gonna rewrite the combat section
need to know when you will because i dont want you missing any details
regal mulch
and is there a way for me to word this better
also should we even have a DC for this
nah
also i have an idea for the permanent inury table
3 no ill effects, 15 that are -1 to a stat, 2 that affect 2 other stats
lets say HP and blessings
wait right theres only 19 you can roll
uhhhhh
so we have 4 left over that is bad
i feel like i need to reword this again
there we go
still not great
maybe like
if they fail to resist your will roll?
fuck iti m making it vague
@dark rain youre the one who knows how to do player facing systems how do i write the equivalent of saving throws for creatures
dark rain
theyre dcs
regal mulch
i mean how do i write it without it sounding shitty
regal mulch
i feel like i need to reword this again
like this
how would i write this without it sounding off
dark rain
well you dont have like
a thing vs thing in your spell framework to list it in a quick and easy manner
regal mulch
what would that look like
just somewhere in the rules basically saying that you make a roll + mod against a creatures DC
regal mulch
ok its finally good
wintry hill
So what aspects would you like to hear ideas about @regal mulch?
wintry hill
Would it be too cruel to make hunter carrying a spear in its back and being able to carry two spears two separate "Species Adaptations"?
kind brook
I made a Rain World Tabletop Game in Tabletop Simulator once. I hadn't finished it though, but I had some basic concepts.
I have not really played ttrpgs properly before, so I didn't know how to develop the features fully.
regal mulch
Would it be too cruel to make hunter carrying a spear in its back and being able...
those are built in already
every slugcat can
kind brook
Yours already seems really cool and well developed.
wintry hill
Hm how faithful do we need to be to the game?
regal mulch
not fully but still within bounds of the games logic
wintry hill
Oh yeah, are you going to use the game's set damage and health values?
wintry hill
Hm maybe an adaptation that increases the turns an enemy stays stunned after getting hit by a rock?
regal mulch
nah i dont want item dependent adaps
+rocks dont stun
they lower the DC of the enemies next action by 1 tier
regal mulch
i sitll havent made the water jet adap
ill do it tommorow
im gonna play some hunter
regal mulch
so we are balancing melee by letting you attack 2 different creatures at once if youre in melee range
verbal grove
stats for the laser pickle? the vulture grub?
regal mulch
like 1hp and a 3+ dc for everything
verbal grove
and ability to summon vultures?
regal mulch
ofc
I feel like vult grub should have as much if not less stats than batflies.
They barely move whatsoever, and they don't have any attacks or defenses other than calling vults.
batflies atleast have decent agility
first though
what does allure mean for creatures
should we let advantage/disadvantage stack
so you can get 3+ dice and you pick the highest/lowest
regal mulch
@hushed bane hey do you wanna make host rn
stark ibex
cool
stark ibex
cool thing
regal mulch
what does allure mean for creatures
Didn't we come to the decision it was intimidation?
yeah we did
should i give green lizs high allure then
At least mid to high, yeah.
pink lizard statblock my beloved
its just the most mid stats ever
I mean it is our more basic boyo.
should i increase any of these stats for the blue liz
Hmm
No, it looks good.
I can't decide if allure should be brought up or not.
Nah
quiet lagoon
cool
regal mulch
if you wanna help we need ideas
quiet lagoon
sure
i was checking out the doc
seems like the host is the most incomplete one right?
it would be cool if it could gain daddy long leg feelers at some point
regal mulch
the idea is that you can like
use a food pip to make a mini DLL to scout ahead
it can detect if theres food and if it dies that tells you theres a hostile creature in there
quiet lagoon
coooool
also
should it require a looot of food?
its basically feeding two organisms
and perhaps it should gain the ability to store more items 'in its cheeks' by storing them in the infected areas
quiet lagoon
oky
quiet lagoon
maybe the few predators it has focus on the monk more?
because its weaker
if a vulture has to choose between the monk and a lizard its gonna go for the monk because its weaker
that sort of thing
regal mulch
ok crazy idea
we give monk the default diet
we reduce their hp by 2/3
it also makes monk more viable compared to saint as they do normal spear damage now
as before i would choose saint most of the time
regal mulch
wait shouldnt we remove the -2/-1 stats from species
because now we have 0 as min mod
Did we finally decide on that?
yeah
its in the character creation section now
also btw everything we have to do left is uh
- rework and rewrite combat and contests
- finish host
- finish adaptations list
- finish rites list
- finish fauna list
- finish flora list
- finish items list
also homebrew should be a seperate doc IMO
Definitely should be a separate doc
Imagine the custom creatures people will make. 
yellow leech
1 slugcatrillion hp
regal mulch
do you think you could hold another slugcat and use them like a gun by making magazines in advance somehow
problem is that it would need to be a gourmand
which are heavy
Wack
actually whats the most fun or ridiculous builds you can make with this
My current plan is super agility Riv. Being fast af and able to outmaneuver literally anything as long as I don't botch rolls.
i do have one build in mind im not gonna use but
gourmand
fall and more storage species adap
webbed arms, more storage, spit items, more blessings
use the leap rite
Idea. More pips adap
oooh
how many?
+3?
Idk like 2-3.
3-4 works.
regal mulch
use the leap rite
spray down upon your enemy
fall on them
sadly youll have 7 slots so its gonna be 3d6, 3d6, 1d6
or 3d6, 3d6, reload, 3d6 3d6, reload
Acidic bite. Coat the debris in acid.
that could work
or even better
get an arti to make improvised explosives
as its 1d6 + the effects of the item
we might need to nerf this
to 2 per turn
regal mulch
ok an adaptation idea
you can taunt an enemy
next reaction made against them is done with disadvantage
but the next action made against them deals 50% more damage
stack it with 2x damage rite and boom
3x damage
Also maybe a force draw agro?
So you can taunt to get a creature off of your friend
yeah
force draw aggro forgot that part
also should we make creatures have a lower tier of DC when disadvantaged or vice versa
nah its good enough already
ok so tommorow we need to uh
- clarify DC rules for fauna (you roll against the stat the creature is using)
- rework carrying
- add taunt adap
i do want an adap that lets you dodge with finesse
what should it be
stark ibex
graceful movement
regal mulch
i mean maybe but just a "dodge with finesse" as the only feature is ehhhhhh
stark ibex
are slide spear dashes implemented?
regal mulch
i mean yeah
stark ibex
graceful movement
can it serve as a counter if you have a weapon?
regal mulch
do you mean like a parry
stark ibex
ye
but with a jump instead of a parry
like how a backflip is performed
to perform the backflip, throw the spear down on grounded enemies, pinning them and land?
regal mulch
you can already do that though
regal mulch
do all the flavor texts need to be serious or can i shitpost in some of them
hows this btw
molten birch
hi i am BACK how's the work on this going!
regal mulch
hey
going good
@hushed bane hey do you want to run another test one shot after we finish the combat rework
hushed bane
i can tomorrow if that's good
sorry i've been sorta inactive, i should probably be workin on this more often from now on lol
regal mulch
two things
1 should we have a section for rules for stuff like crafting and taming
2 adaptation that lets you tame creatures with any food + heal them with your recovery dice with double the effectiveness
also would taming be your taming stat against the creatures intimidation?
hushed bane
1 should we have a section for rules for stuff like crafting and taming
nah because that's just an action anyway
regal mulch
i feel like those need special rules
hushed bane
also would taming be your taming stat against the creatures intimidation?
taming vs tolerance??
regal mulch
idk tolerance dosent make sense
hushed bane
true
regal mulch
maybe just allure
regal mulch
what time tommorow then
also this sitll
regal mulch
9pm british time i think works
thats 1pm for me
who else would we play though
uh
@molten birch @regal mulch @craggy pulsar @dark rain summoned
craggy pulsar
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tired silo
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craggy pulsar
I was gonna make a more comprehensive entrance but I figured that would be the most eloquent method of describing my situation
When’s this?
dark rain
and also i dont enjoy the rpg much because my playstyle is different
dark rain
so i will prob not participate in any other tests
regal mulch
and also i dont enjoy the rpg much because my playstyle is different
huh
fuck it
fortungevokal i have your exact location
drone strike
craggy pulsar
dark rain
i am in my gm dimension when i run a session
regal mulch
1pm pst tommorow
craggy pulsar
I Can’t, sorry mate
regal mulch
when are you gonna be back
craggy pulsar
Probably Sunday
regal mulch
@hushed bane you fine with waiting till sunday to do it
hushed bane
sure!
regal mulch
yeah make sure you have battlemaps ready this time
craggy pulsar
Oh shit y’all are actually waiting for me? Thanks!
regal mulch
np
we should get host done tommorow to go with the taming stuff i want to add to the adaps
molten birch
<@456625781049786368> <@456226577798135808> <@258642909094477836> <@210503469730...
hello??
regal mulch
what time zone
molten birch
cst
regal mulch
3pm for you around then
craggy pulsar
Hmm
Wait a minute, bingo starts around then doesn’t it?
Uhm. Please time it around after that.
regal mulch
wait the bingo is when
regal mulch
oh yeah its after that
ok hear me out for an adap
spectral lizard companion
revives at the end of every cycle
regal mulch
spectral cyan with reduced stats
lets say uh
3x your hp
and same mods as you
where do we put its stat block
in lizards?
regal mulch
I was @ed, hello.
9pm British works.
hey foxy
sunday
Sunday I can't do, busy Sundays.
Til super late
ah
Man, my schedule just never lines up. XD
regal mulch
spectral lizard adap how should it work
also are we just scrapping the adaps giving rites idea
Spectral lizard?
oh uh
you gain a lizard companion basically
my idea was they have the same mods as you and double your hp
and attack wise probably just a 1d12 bite
Mmmmm
actually that can be almost double damage
might be too strong
I feel like that should be a species honestly.
host thing?
rot lizard companion
More spiritual like monk and saint
holy shit wait
what if we replace saint tounge with lizard adap
Wdym? The spectral lizard?
yeah
Hmmm
Maybe?
Idk
Doesn't feel right.
why
It could definitely be cool, but it just doesn't feel right to me. Can't explain.
Probably because I like the idea of a species. Expand it a bit more, they can summon different spirit creatures
i want some sort of spectral creature adap in the base rules
Like they start with something simple, but then their species adap can be another/different creature or boost their current one.
maybe something weaker as an adap
Definitely something weaker as an adap. Your idea is cool, but it seems kinda op as an adap.
yeah
Having a lizard with all your stats, as Riv you just have a secondary god lizard. Lol
it dosent get your adaps
just your mods and double your hp
but yeah
saint i feel like is in a bit of a weird spot though
Since most Riv will probably spec high in agi, the spectral could prolly just dodge everything.
like
they can deal 2 damage for 2 blessings
or 11 for the same
monk needs to have +5 will and a max roll to do the same
I want to say lower the health to that of the blue, but ofc since it's a spirit it comes back after each cycle if it dies.
maybe we should buff monks spear rite a bit
regal mulch
I want to say lower the health to that of the blue, but ofc since it's a spirit ...
lower health works
same as yours lets say that
That works
regal mulch
maybe we should buff monks spear rite a bit
should we
Lemme look at it
monk and saint are like
in a weird spot overall
monks adaps are balanced
but they might have too many or too little blessings
i mean do they need +6 blessings at base
Idk
the spellcasters are just a bit weird here
it heavily depends on DM
do they have too little or too many
saint with the recover blessings with dice adap might be too strong tbh
By removing monk's spear dmg debuff, the extra blessings becomes less balanced I feel
ill set them back to +3 blessings
I say swap their blessings honestly.
saint and monk?
I mean Saint literally can't deal damage outside of rites until they have barbed tongue.
if we do that im making saints karma attack cost 3
regal mulch
I mean Saint literally can't deal damage outside of rites until they have barbed...
unarmed
Ah, true.
and adaps
yeah
saint +6
monk +3
should we just rework saints karma rite attack all together
or maybe we swap saints default trait and species adap
by default they get blessings from recovery dice
then the karma attack rite + ability to use recovery dice on others
Uhm
Ye
It makes sense with in-game lore as they don't unlock the equivalent of Sacrilege until max karma.
saints recovery dice adap seemed very strong compared to the other to me
so making it base seems better
maybe even split parts of it between the adaps
by default you get the blessings heal ability
one adap gives +1 dice
the other gives ability to use it on others
+1 dice probably for sacrilege
use on others for the tounge adap
What about making the recovery dice on someone else a normal adap?
maybe
but everyone already has their own dice
then again you can say the same amount monk healing
which might just be worse saint healing tbh
i think ill make monk heals 1d6 + Will
Is there currently any way to get recovery die back?
no
they recover at end of cycle
So then if I'm understanding the recovery die section, it only takes effect in the middle of a cycle. You may want to clarify that.
wdym?
Aight, it's explained in the cycles heading.
im gonna clarify that you go back to full health when survivng a cycle
and that you revive at your max hp
oh about the spectral companion
maybe a modified overseer
OOO
Yes
Love it
Makes more sense to me
how much damage
Hmm
1d8?
or maybe like 1d6+2?
How much damage do spears do again?
2d6?
2d6 yeah
this will be in addition to your damage
If in addition, 1d4-1d6
1d4 sounds nice but i feel like it should have some utility then
I'd say scout, but then it's just Host.
Hmmm
it can be used like a spear in a wall
There's a cool idea
Climb the overseer. Lol
i think thats decent ultility
we can even just say that you modified an overseer you found now
should we just make it invincible and be a flat damage increase?
Something like +2-3?
+2
wait no
thats too strong
thats the same as hunter
lets just go with 1d4 and have it have 1hp
same stats as you
now it seems kind of boring though
lets keep the rot lizard idea for host though
speaking of host im just gonna try to come up with the second adap now
uh
default trait is the mini dll
probably can tell you if theres food in a room and if it dies theres a threat
maybe let you hijack a small to medium creature too
1 adap is rot lizard
how about the other
regal mulch
ok so
- rework saint
- increase monk healing and lower blessing count
- give host their base trait and an adap
- rework carrying
- rewrite combat
- change "equal amounts of advantage and disadvantage" to "advantage and disadvantage"
thats what we need to do
carrying rework is highest priority
hushed bane
host's base trait i imagined would be like
it can summon up to 3 mini dlls
by using food
regal mulch
i wouldnt make it use food if its purpose is to find food
regal mulch
maybe we can change "carrying" to something like "grip"
more vague probably more uses
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boom saint reworked
saint is pretty weak at levels 1 and 2 due to its lack of unique rites or attacks
but i think its made up for by it having a lot of blessings
10/11 at levels 1 and 2 along with 2d4 + 1 blessings
and theres always unarmed attacks
we need to rework the second half of this
its basically a stronger survival instincts thats cheaper
the only condition is that it needs a successful check
also intimidation check is the right word if its against a creatures tolerance DC right
regal mulch
@hushed bane youre still able to do tommorow right
regal mulch
yep
regal mulch
we need to rework the second half of this
we do need to change nightcats flash adap though
rn its just better survival instincts
hushed bane
is it though? it's only advantage for attacks
regal mulch
thats true
hushed bane
survival instincts is any action
regal mulch
still on attacks
its half the food pip cost for any party member
thats a good point though i say its fine
how about host though
how are they gonna work and how many food pips
along with their negative trait
hushed bane
host can spawn mini dlls that can attack, search for food, etc
however the host itself is weak maybe?
puts more of a focus on using the rot babies
regal mulch
maybe we should make the mini dll not cost food but instead like
you can only have a limited amount out at a time
and an adap can increase that
Only cost food to revive them maybe?
i was thinking something simillar yeah
maybe make them take hits for you but you die in one hit no matter what if a dll dosent take the hit
Uhm
You'd have to boost a lot of other stuff to make a glass build like that.
no its more like
it changes your HP into "you can take X amounts of hit"
what should the DLLs be able to do
scout ahead but to what extent
regal mulch
also reminding everyone since we want to try every species adaptation atleast once i would recommend picking one of these
pack bonding survivor- mender monk
- adrenaline surge hunter
bioluminescence nightcat- pounce nightcat
- volatile reflexes artificer
- refined craftsmanship artificer
heavyweight gourmand- ancient recipes gourmand
- violent separation spearmaster
- enhanced reflexes rivulet
- spectral barbs saint
- focused energies saint
pounce and focused energies saint have been done before but theyve been completely reworked so theyre here again
also lets go with level 10 characters this time
blessings to food pips could be a neat idea for a rite
and maybe vice versa for an adaptation
not an equal exchange rate tho
maybe 3 of one to 2 of the other
molten birch
hey could we move the session till later maybe? something came up and i have to leave to go somewhere tomorrow at 3
molten birch
oh alright that works!
regal mulch
Heeeey, monday I'm free. XD
Nightcat. :3
nice
oh btw i updated the character sheet because no resolve anymore
Kk
im gonna play heavyweight gourmand
and foxy what nightcat are you playing
Which would you prefer? Both are cool imo.
up to you
since both need testing
I'll look.
remember mods are 0 to +5 now
To - or +?
oh wait fuck
Lol
You're good, I figured, just had to make sure. Lol
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12IrUOC-SaW6627VvuD92zxXcDKsvy60A7gM5mMpgZ4o/edit?usp=sharing
Yeah, I'll edit my character accordingly.
level 10 this time
Lvl 10... Hmmm... kk
Should be fun
It's +3 stats per increase, correct?
mhm
Kk
I'll make it later. Going to watch fireworks with gf here soon.
thats good
have a good time
Maaaaybe if you guys want another party member I can get Dad involved too since he's free Monday.
Would have to run it by him.
i think we have enough already
4
Kk
wait what check would falling on a creature be as gourmand be?
muscle?
agility?
Uh
Hmm
Ig it'd be against either the creature's agi or res, but idk what roll you'd make for Gourm. Maybe agi because you're having to aim your fall?
yeah thats what i was thinking
this is either going to be extremely stupid and effective or extremely stupid and ineffective
Looks entertaining.
I will eventually get around to the homebrew species I thought of with your spectral lizard idea.
nice
ill transfer the homebrew section to a seperate doc sometime
I think ik how to make it work.
as itll be cleaner that way
Yeah, I agree.
And maybe we can get a proper channel for this. Or make a server for it.
i think a thread works fine for now
Have a place for people to post their homebrew stuff for us to paste into the do.
a server would be nice yeah
For now, yes, this works. Once we complete it tho we'll want a bit more space to make it easier to organize.
Something to worry about in the future.
Didn't you specify not equivalent exchange? Lol
oh true right
except for monk
monk can have a little equivlent exchange
as a treat
regal mulch
opposite as an adaptation
i made sure btw even with cost reductions
it is impossible to gain infinite food and blessings
regal mulch
Good.
regal mulch
Adap to climb walls.
Or would you rather that be a homebrew race adap.
homebrew race adap
because that could let you just skip every room and be out of every enemies reach
Not a necessary thing, but a thought for nightcat. Advantage on bioluminescence flash if camoed. A sudden flash from seemingly nowhere would probably spook creatures a lot more.
Not a necessity, just a thought.
nah i think its already in a good spot
actually yeah lets do that
tbh it feels too weak and too strong at the same time
Imma play with it, cause honestly it's questionable.
go for it
whats your thoughts on it though
Idk. I kinda feel the same. With Nightcat's low pip count, the costs of everything seem a little too high, but since it's a stealth build I also don't know.
if it costs too little it makes it basically better survival instincts for combat
too much and its just worse
Biolumin is not really my problem with it, it's more so camo. Every action including just moving drains it. And since we don't have a set speed, it's kinda funky.
Idk.
Since I'll be able to play a full session with you guys I can test it a lot more and get an idea.
to me the camo is fine
We'll find out
pounce might be a bit too strong
but it should be fine
since it drains food pips
Since it drains pips, I think it's fine.
should camo drain during reactions too though
or just actions
I don't think so. That's a lot of constant pips.
yeah
just actions it is
Wasn't there a discussion about activating camo not taking pips? I could be wrong
camo is a free action
so it dosent take pips
It's still written as activating for 1 pip.
what
fuck
Lol
This is why I'm here. Lol
Question everything.
im gonna proofread this shit so hard once we finish
We probably all should to make sure.
agreed
Want me to edit it?
i already edited it
I saw
anything else you think could be broken
Not for Nightcat, no.
I still need to make one of ever species.
how about in general
Once I make all species and get a good look at them, I'll let you know.
Might do that tonight. I got plenty of time and nothing specific to spend it on.
rad
Doing that will also give me a good idea on the balance of things for my homebrew.
also we have like 11 adaps and 8 rites
i want 2 more rites and 19 more adaps ideally
Ideally.
I'll keep thinking. Unfortunately things have been consistently distracting me.
I have a good idea. Take a look at other games and manipulate some of the stuff to fit RW aesthetic.
that could work
Might give us some good adaps.
i would like an adap that makes you biomechanical
What would it do?
idk
Kk, I'll think about it then.
Immediate thought is + muscle stats.
Which muscle stat, idk, but muscle stats.
i dont want +stats as an adap
unless its in a unique way
like nightcats camo
but thats different
Idk what to tell you then. For now
Honestly I don't think we'll get 30 adaps like you're wanting. Not without making stuff that could be much better suited as a species.