rw ttrpg thread

[regal mulch]

actually just using everyones pfp would be easier

[dark rain]

THROWING 5

my pfp is literally my char so it works

what do we have in our inventory

anywho

[regal mulch]

nothing at the start

theres enough stuff around anyways

[dark rain]

nakey

no fahsion

[regal mulch]

you can have a cosmetic vulture mask

as a treat

[dark rain]

nah ill acquire one

k

no vlutre version

are we not allowed to talk because slugcat cant speka

no in character speaking

only frantic gestures

for Extreme Immersion

[regal mulch]

actually yeah everyone just like uh

make their slugcat in the picrew ig

did you use anything to make that token emerald

[dark rain]

no im just so skilled

https://rolladvantage.com/tokenstamp/

[molten birch]

if you want to use the picrew instead thats cool, got this done pretty quickly
its more accurate to what kamate actually looks like but alas, nothing can be perfect

[regal mulch]

what color around the icon

ill just go species color

[molten birch]

yeah that works

[regal mulch]

@craggy pulsar @hushed bane can you two do the same

[craggy pulsar]

Make a picrew or just put the already drawn thingy in the token stamp?

[regal mulch]

picrew

[hushed bane]

idk if i can do tonight, sorry

have been super busy and idk when im gonna be free

[regal mulch]

oh ok

should we get another 4th player

[molten birch]

mm i dont think we absolutely NEED a 4th player but we could try if someone wanted to play

[regal mulch]

uh

who here would

@alpine kelp hey

[alpine kelp]

hi

[regal mulch]

hey do you wanna be our 4th player

we are gonna start in 30 mins

[alpine kelp]

uhhh
how long is the session going to go for

[regal mulch]

uh

how long do oyu have

[alpine kelp]

idk

i just want to know a rough estimate

[regal mulch]

likely 3-4 on the higher end

[alpine kelp]

i will probably eat dinner in sometime around 3 hours

but idk if my parents are going to leave me alone for that long

ill get the picrew thing set up

ill play

[regal mulch]

rad

[alpine kelp]

any class you want me to play in particular

[regal mulch]

as long as its not a hunter, counterfeit survivor, metabolic burst riv, therapy spearmaster, or reneweal saint pick whatever you want

just want to make sure we have everything somewhat tested

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12IrUOC-SaW6627VvuD92zxXcDKsvy60A7gM5mMpgZ4o/edit#gid=0

use this

level 3

and make a picrew when youre done to represent the character

https://picrew.me/secret_image_maker/tCpqaGQMWNbebzs2

use the pride one

just make sure it has a colored background and not transluscent

[alpine kelp]

i have one

one sec i gotta find it

[regal mulch]

ok cool tell me when your character is done

[alpine kelp]

do we have blessings and rites fleshed out enough

[regal mulch]

for now yeah

@craggy pulsar still need the picrew

[craggy pulsar]

wait i post it in exactly 10 seconds

💥

[alpine kelp]

im saying if i picked a P.P. Monk would that be an issue

[regal mulch]

mo

no

[craggy pulsar]

moo

[regal mulch]

what background color do you want

[alpine kelp]

what should my stats be

[regal mulch]

anythign you want

the character creation rules are in the doc

[alpine kelp]

ok

[regal mulch]

making a level 3 character just reminding you

[craggy pulsar]

either gray, or a buncha Black and white lines

cuz i'm gonna be miming

[alpine kelp]

ok so i have 13 stat allocations? what about hp

[regal mulch]

12

12 hp

13 stat allocations

[alpine kelp]

so i have 15 blessings then?

• 6 from being level 3
• 6 from Karmic Gift
• 3 from P.P.

[regal mulch]

also heres the tokens

[regal mulch]

yes

[alpine kelp]

so in terms of stat points i should figure out that guide, right?

[regal mulch]

follow the guide

[craggy pulsar]

where funny black and white mime colors?

[regal mulch]

couldnt make it

[alpine kelp]

bit confused: how do secondary stats work (for example taming)

[regal mulch]

uh

they arent affected by main stat

[alpine kelp]

ok

[regal mulch]

also tell me when you have their name

[alpine kelp]

stats go from -5 to +5 right?

also name is garfield

bc why not

[quaint aspen]

garfcat wait hes alresdy a cat

[alpine kelp]

max karma should be 5 right

[regal mulch]

yes

[regal mulch]

mhm

hey creek

do you wanna watch

[alpine kelp]

i really think the -2 should have been to finesse rather than comprehension but ok

[craggy pulsar]

and hitsuji too

well, if we're talking about spectators

[regal mulch]

for gourd?

oh wait monk

fuck

its because monk cant get pearls read

well colored ones atleast

[molten birch]

monk has poor reading comprehension he's illiterate

[alpine kelp]

ok

all species features should go into the adaptations box, right?

[regal mulch]

yeah

i need to add a iterator rn because we have garfield

[alpine kelp]

should there be a separate column for known rites

i feel like there isn't much space otherwise

[regal mulch]

you know all the rites

[alpine kelp]

or would they go into "inventory"

[regal mulch]

just reference the doc

or you can extend it yourself

[alpine kelp]

im saying for the purposes of telekinesis and karmic spear, where should i put them

inventory?

[regal mulch]

sure

[alpine kelp]

is the telekinesis will check made by the player or the target

or is it a clash thing

[regal mulch]

both

unless the target is an inatimate object or willing

[alpine kelp]

ok i have everything except stats at this point

[regal mulch]

hi foxy

Here's a question that I don't know if was ever answered, does Spear's IV have a minimum of 1 dmg, or can is be 0 given a good roll?

can be 0

Cool

do you wanna watch btw

I likely will, ye.

we are gonna start once meme finishes so like 5 minutes

I'd love to play, but idk

I might be able to join mid session, but it's a big might.

[craggy pulsar]

a wild slugcat appears

that could be funnny

[regal mulch]

Indeed

plentiful

Especially with my Riv. Lore wise: Is sprinting to the next shelter at top speed and crashes into the party fighting something. Lol

[quaint aspen]

Oh wait sure

[regal mulch]

what adap did you pick

[molten birch]

my riv 🤝 foxy's riv

running into people

[regal mulch]

burst or enhanced reflexes

For Riv? Enhanced

ok nice

i was worried for a second you would overlap those

[alpine kelp]

stat sheet done

[regal mulch]

I still have all 3 characters I said I would, so depending what everyone has, I have a few options.

[alpine kelp]

do i need to do vc?

[regal mulch]

yeah

[alpine kelp]

ok

[dark rain]

gimme 10

[regal mulch]

You'll need to at the very least be in vc.

[craggy pulsar]

gimme 15, another one, gimme 20

[alpine kelp]

do i need to join roll20 or something

[craggy pulsar]

30!

[regal mulch]

you will

have an account ready

[alpine kelp]

yeah

[regal mulch]

ill be in ampitheatre

[alpine kelp]

link?

[molten birch]

oh shit uh

i dont have an account either lol

[alpine kelp]

link to session?

[regal mulch]

dmed it to everyone

@alpine kelp you gotta join the vc but dont need to talk

[alpine kelp]

i can see

i sent the link btw

[regal mulch]

got it

@alpine kelp get in the vc

[alpine kelp]

server vc?

[regal mulch]

yes

you dont have to talk

[quaint aspen]

im spectatin now

doin spectator thins

[regal mulch]

they had 5 turns underwater and they failed getting into the shelter all 5

heres the full map btw

Too bad I only got to blow stuff up and stab a lizard that didn't need to be stabbed, but oh well. Lol

[molten birch]

ooh boy im. excited to see what an actual full campaign will be like lol

[regal mulch]

Had fun watching before I got to play.

@hushed bane session went great but a few things i saw

resolve needs to be easy tracked on the character sheet otherwise its gonna be forgotten about

oh right everything got used except carrying

[hushed bane]

that's great!

[regal mulch]

yeah they were going really good so i made the final encounter wild

1 vulture 4 pink lizards

half of the pinks left halfway through because of the rain

and intikus rolled below the DC 6 times in a row

and slugcat took uh

3d12 damage to the face

And then impaled and pinned into a wall.

[craggy pulsar]

(wasn't my intention i swear)

[regal mulch]

that went great though

we got a group so thats good (except emerald because theyre gonna be unable to play iirc because shes in like 50 campaigns)

@regal mulch i do want feedback on nightcat

should we change anything

[rotund maple]

if you need more people at some point I'd love to join

[regal mulch]

I didn't get to play it much, so I don't have too much feedback.

Will give some details later tho.

Bit busy atm

[regal mulch]

And hopefully soon I'll get a bit more wiggle room as college classes lessen.

So I'll be free more.

[dark rain]

i am in 3 ok

[regal mulch]

Close enough. Lol

ok emerald be happy you didnt spend 6 actions drowning

and failing

[dark rain]

also i prob wouldnt play anyways since yall's style is very gameist, which isnt usually what i show up for

i hope u have fun tho

[regal mulch]

i hope you have no fun and suffer <3

[dark rain]

im very much there for the rp part of rpg lol

[dark rain]

love u 2 bestie 🫀

[regal mulch]

half of that may be due to my inexperience gming

[regal mulch]

Dm then and give us stuff to rp about.

as said before i have never done it before so it was interesting

you missed the end fight though

[dark rain]

partially, but more due to the play structure imo

[regal mulch]

Everyone except the Riv experienced drowning. Lmao

[dark rain]

which is very Mechanical

[regal mulch]

And I was the only one to completely avoid the vult.

i feel like having an actual character sheet would help keep track of resolve though

oh yeah it got wild at the end

[dark rain]

the slider on mine works pretty well

u can use it 4ever it is free

[regal mulch]

also btw i made hunter crit work on prediction

[dark rain]

yaaaaaaay

a hoonter must hoont

[regal mulch]

Indeed

[dark rain]

i still dont much like resolve as a mechanic

[regal mulch]

It is a bit funky.

we might rework it

tbh

or just make it completely different

[dark rain]

it works plenty well as a game mechanic but kind of discourages rp in combat

[regal mulch]

do you suggest we change it or remove it or etc

[dark rain]

since gaining advantages through clever maneuvering and funny ideas are wrapped up into a system that rewards you the same for not roleplaying at all

i would remove it, but i have very different priorities than yall as ive established

so it might work just fine 4 u

[regal mulch]

idk nobody used it but you

i still want some unique combat mechanic though

idk what

[dark rain]

the unique combat mechanic is that you can do whatever the fuck you want to fight a dude

youre not locked into a set of defined responses like a video game

tabletops come out the box with unique combat by nature

[regal mulch]

the unique combat mechanic is that after 3 hits in a row you grow a gun

[dark rain]

gun world

[regal mulch]

ok hear me out ok ok

gourmand with acidic bite

fill their mouth and hands with rocks

upon you slapping them have them shoot out the rocks (now acidic)

Lmao

[dark rain]

which is why i dont particularly enjoy complicated combat mechanics with defined responses -- it dims the natural roleplay-focused combat structure with gameist elements

[regal mulch]

With acidic bite do debris slowly melt in your mouth? Lol

i think we should test without resolve

and with giving riv a new feature

[dark rain]

they should eat a watermelon and shoot seeds like a machine gun

[regal mulch]

yes

[dark rain]

i can run that but im running it how i usually run combats

which is to say difficult as hell

[regal mulch]

elaborate

[dark rain]

i want people thinking laterally so i usually make combats too difficult to come out of without a big loss

if you just roll dice

[regal mulch]

ah ok

ok since we might want to change that

what should rivs new default adaptation be

[dark rain]

moist

[regal mulch]

no

Wet

Lol I'll think about it later

[molten birch]

gun

[regal mulch]

gunmand

[regal mulch]

ok holy shit adaptation

you can shoot an item in your mouth out like a projectile dealing its damage in addition to 1d6

or maybe 1d4

Gourm gun confirmed?

yes

also idea for riv feature

you get a free unarmed strike when you attack a creature

Hmmm

As base ability?

geah

since we might just remove resolve

@dark rain right i was gonna asks should we nerf anything

or buff stuff

[dark rain]

bwuauh

[severe olive]

1am ping based

[dark rain]

id ont know

i played 2 round of combat

[regal mulch]

ok awesome you have 30 minutes rework the entire game to be flawless

[dark rain]

k

5 main stats stay i think

[regal mulch]

and resolve i think we will just remove it

nobody used it

except you

[dark rain]

and then we can use a skill based leveling system

with a number of skills instead of having them all be stats

w/ reflexes, fortitude, and willpower defenses

for making saves

also its a 2d10 system now

[regal mulch]

never

[dark rain]

you asked me to make it flawless

[regal mulch]

mid system

boooooo

[dark rain]

insult 2d10 again and i will go over in categorical detail as to why you are wrong

[regal mulch]

you rolled a 2d10 for number of bitches and you got a -1 💀

average 2d10 fan vs average 2d8 enjoyer

[dark rain]

sounds like nano's rolls

lmao

[regal mulch]

‼️🔥 🔥‼️

[severe olive]

PLEASE

I BEG OF YOU

[regal mulch]

you think thats bad

[tired silo]

STOP BEING MEAN TO NANO!!!!!!

[regal mulch]

someone was right outside a shelter

had 6 actions

[dark rain]

jokes on you i dont roll dice

[regal mulch]

died

[dark rain]

my players do

[severe olive]

Can't wait to get Snake Eyes 3 times tomorrow

[dark rain]

yaaaaaaaaaaaay

[severe olive]

all my spells will break

and so will my spirit

[dark rain]

hey autumn do you want to listen to my sesiso n tomorrow

[regal mulch]

what time

[dark rain]

5 pm

[severe olive]

6pm

(My time zone is betteR)

[tired silo]

(Nano's timezone is better bc I'm also in it)

[dark rain]

and by that i mean people show up from 5-6 pm

[regal mulch]

2pm for me i think

[dark rain]

do yuo live in australia

[regal mulch]

no

[tired silo]

AUSTRALIAN...

[regal mulch]

what time is it for you

[tired silo]

REAL

[severe olive]

1:30 am

[dark rain]

12 am

[regal mulch]

12:30?

[dark rain]

yes

[regal mulch]

i mean yeah

wait

💀

where tf you live

oklahoma

[dark rain]

the midwest

[regal mulch]

ok oklahoman

[regal mulch]

Yes

california better let me show you my house i pay $100,000 a month for

Lol

[severe olive]

Wait so is that a yes

[regal mulch]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/rainworld_gamepedia/images/8/85/Hibernation_Pod.png/revision/latest?cb=20170727045758

heres my house

only $100,000 and hour

Lol

[tired silo]

Is that a yes.

[regal mulch]

to what

oh yeah sure

"done reading check other channels"

oh yeah sure let me see the other channels

we should make pounce keep a +2 stealth after camo ends

Ooo

That's a good idea

Or make it increase damage which makes more sense

Since that's the purpose of a pounce normally. Stealth attack.

+2 damage?

Maybe

that seems good enough

Ye

also lets make spearmasters health regen adap +2

and maybe rivs metabolic burst should be +4

[hushed bane]

that works!

im free today so i can do whatever

[hushed bane]

and sorry i was offline for like the whole of yesterday
had to get a huge art thing done and i couldnt procrastinate on it any longer

[alpine kelp]

imo i do feel like a 2d8 is a bit weak honestly

average roll from 2d8 is 9 and the chance of getting 9 or lower is 56.25% - considering a lot of good successful actions require a 10 or higher on a successful roll (like is usually done with D20 dice), the odds are skewed pretty significantly against the players

[dark rain]

for hard checks maybe

you're more likely to succeed an average check than to fail

an untrained person should prob fail a hard check more often than not

id say that the maximum mod of +5 is weak

it limits the GM to basically only using 12 and occasionally 16 as a dc

[regal mulch]

hey im up

@hushed bane what do you think about just removing resolve all together

[hushed bane]

possibly??

it feels hard to remember when doing combat yeah

i think if we do, we should remaster combat altogether and make things more simple

[regal mulch]

to what

just make the attacks contests

as long as we dont add ac

that dosent fit at all here

[regal mulch]

+8 max but we dont increase the amount of points you have

[dark rain]

idk

[regal mulch]

hows this for riv and should i limit it to once per turn

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane should we rework the combat system or do host

[lofty venture]

I think we can figure out the combat when we test it out.

[regal mulch]

we already have

twice

[dark rain]

idk how you want to do combat since, at least based on my experience in the combat test, youre designing more of a board game rather than an rpg

like some of the dungeon crawling board games wotc released during the 4e days

which were pretty fun but not exactly an rpg lol

[molten birch]

good afternoon yall

[dark rain]

hi

[molten birch]

hi

[dark rain]

hello

[regal mulch]

heya

tbh i do agree with you on resolve

its easily forgetable and its not that fun

[dark rain]

i actually like it

but not in this context

i think it would work really well if youre doing a lot of high roleplay combat

like a jojo fan would

lol

if youre going to run the game like you did in the combat test youd probably be better off adding more tactical depth

[regal mulch]

i think we should just remove resolve all together

[hushed bane]

agreed

make combat more lightweight and easy to RP

[regal mulch]

i limited this to once per turn but that might be too weak

ok maybe rivs default adap can be that you have another free action

[dark rain]

arent they free actions because you can do all of them

whenever

as in free

[regal mulch]

i mean like

as you throw a spear you can also do an unarmed attack at the same time

or throw two spears

or throw a spear and run away

etc

[regal mulch]

i added comments on the doc for stuff we might want to / need to change

[regal mulch]

problem if we raise the mod cap we buff a lot of stuff

spearmasters food adap needs to become more damaging otherwise its gonna do 0 damage

monk spear and heal needs to be lowered

i think +6 is a good mod as it wont break too much stuff

@regal mulch wasnt joking about combusting yourself as an adaptation

I know, you said you liked the idea. Lol

Not sure how practical it is tho

Make it something like a super strong explosion? Maybe an automatic thing when you die?

fuck that was one of my ideas

upon death you explode

but it would be situational

That's a decent idea.

no but my idea was uh

you can set your back on fire and it does 1d6 - Tolerance to you every action you take

[regal mulch]

It would be situational, but it'd help the party. Maybe have it as an additional effect to being able to manually explode, but it does less damage.

thats called artificer

Yeah, but make it an insta-kill to you.

So a sacrifice for the party instead of arti exploding everywhere.

i like the setting back on fire idea

should we have it damage you though

It is also good, yes.

I mean, if you're on fire it's weird not to get hurt.

should it deal damage when an enemy hits you

Ye.

Like a thorns ability

1d8 lets go with that

That might also be a good one.

and it lets you use it like fire because well

its fire

also im gonna rewrite tolerance

"resistance to disease, karmic attacks, and the enviroment"

whats your opinion on raising the modifer btw

max and min mod

i think somewhere in the 6-8 range is the best option

im thinking 6

Honestly I don't understand the importance of the different numbers to give an answer.

That's why I stay out of the convo mostly when it's being discussed. I don't quite understand it. When given statistics I can give an opinion. Without the statistics idk.

uh

go on anydice

select at least

compare the rates for 2d8 + 5 and 2d8 + 6

for at 8 12 16 20

Yeah, I still don't understand what I'm looking for as much, sorry.

fair enough ill disucss it tommorow

any adaptation or rite ideas though

I tried. Too small brain.

i need a lot of those

20~30 and 10~15 of each respectively

[regal mulch]

The amount of them you're wanting?

[dark rain]

raise mods to +10

make it a 2d10 system

[regal mulch]

no

im not making it a 2d10 system

i like +6

83% chance for a hard check to pass

oh right i believe for the combat system we should make it contests

but if your reaction fails i still think letting you feint is a good idea

as one hit deaths arent that uncommon

[regal mulch]

yes

[regal mulch]

spray might be too strong

with all the bonus cheek storage adaps as gourd you can have uh

7 slots

so 7d6 damage which is way too much

not including the fact it could also add the damage of a grenade (4d6)

that is a potential uh

28d6 damage in one action in an aoe if done right

ok limiting one item spit per turn might be a good idea

Yeah, that sounds good.

One per turn.

i wanna say two per turn

Two per turn is okay.

ill remove the death while starving part because i clarified that already somewhere else

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane hey i need your opinions on a few things

[alpine kelp]

ok list of things i might be able to provide suggestions on:

• injury table's incomplete
• we may or may not want to notify people about how much time remains in the cycle/make cycles slightly longer
• host features/adaptations
• spontaneous combustion seems to only be partially written
• maybe rites should have like... spellcasting levels? i think it would make sense to be able to cast stronger versions of low-blessing spells by using more blessings as compensation

[regal mulch]

we are working on 1, 3, and 4

also we have rules for cycles

one session is generally one cycle

and i dont like the spellcasting levels idea

i do want your opinion should we raise the max mod

i think +6 is a good idea

[regal mulch]

finished spontaneous combustion

[alpine kelp]

that... seems a bit harsh of a downside imo

if someone decided to play a Host then that means that at level 5, the player will take an average of 5.5 damage per action w/active fire

which will leave them critically injured in 2 turns and dead in 3

[regal mulch]

well we gotta account for the fact that you can get 5 tolerance max

taking 0 damage 5/6 times

[alpine kelp]

max modifier should at least be +6 if not higher

[regal mulch]

rn you have 26 points out of 75 needed

should we give more points

[alpine kelp]

75 for what?

[regal mulch]

getting everything to +5

[alpine kelp]

is that including your average modifiers? i thought there were 18 categories

[regal mulch]

theres 15 modifiers

[alpine kelp]

oh yeah right

[regal mulch]

all of them are pretty useful

except carrying so far

i think +7 is a good max mod

[alpine kelp]

id say that at maximum level (assuming a +7 modifier) the player should at least have 45 out of 105 points, if not more

especially bc you get your first 10 right out of the gate, the current amount basically means that the player is better off strengthening their strengths and minimizing their weaknesses rather than attempting to create an all-around character

[regal mulch]

100% chance for an average to pass
90% chance for a hard to pass
56% chance for a bleak to pass
15% chance for a dire to pass

45 out of 105 sounds pretty good

[alpine kelp]

i miscounted and it should be uhh

35 at minimum

[regal mulch]

35-45 seems like a good range

40 is 38% maxed out 45 is 43%

[alpine kelp]

yeah id say 50% is too much (no reason to not just have +3/+4 on every stat) but anything below 30% is way too low

[regal mulch]

40 gets you 5.7 skills maxed out and 45 gets you 6.4

or we can go with 42

thats just a flat 6 maxed out

[alpine kelp]

well let's consider bonuses

[regal mulch]

which type

do you mean from abilities or species

[alpine kelp]

looks like every character has roughly a +5 and -4 stat split respectively, split among 5 stats
this averages out to having a +1

gotta go

[regal mulch]

yeah

thats intentional

combat i think we should remove resolve but still let you feint

i like that mechanic a lot as you basically have no hp

[dark rain]

theres definitely some dump stats

depending on your build

but dumping is something that some writers are ok with in their games

[regal mulch]

what are the dump stats for certain builds

[quartz gazelle]

[regal mulch]

what does this mean

[dark rain]

if ur a melee focused build why would you pick like

taming

or stealth

you can take the L on a couple stats and you'll have an objectively better character than otherwise

and since the PDF of a 2d8 converges to the average, you might as well decrease them as much as possible since you already aren't gonna succeed with them after taking a -2

it's like how no rogue in 5e benefits from having a high strength score

from a mechanical standpoint there is no reason to invest in strength

[regal mulch]

thats fair but not everyone is gonna play like that

so its fine

[dark rain]

depends on what kind of game you're trying to make

if you're basing the structure of this rpg on the structure of rain world, where RP isn't really a major influence

then a good mechanical frame is pretty important

imo

[regal mulch]

should we do something to prevent it then

how would we even prevent it

[dark rain]

most systems with d&d heritage operate on skills that can be increased but not decreased

3e's skill points, 4e/5e's proficiency, etc

and there are plenty of other systems that work like that

you cant make your Psychology skill lower in Call of Cthulhu to increase your Library Use skill

[regal mulch]

should we not let people decrease skills possibly

but that makes the character creation more eh and makes it so you basically have a character with no downsides right at the start

[dark rain]

a hard minimum at -2 or something isn't very elegant but it's the only way I can think of to curb this excluding a rework

[regal mulch]

how would you rework it

and a lower minimum isnt a terrible idea

i was thinking -3 or -4 not -2

as i do want to increase max mod to +7

[dark rain]

if you have me complete control to do a total rework I would spin off AMG into a rain world themed system

because it already has a similar level of lethality and struggle

this is assuming I have the motivation to make an AMG spinoff

which I dont

lmao

[regal mulch]

i meant a rework to just the mod system

[dark rain]

yeah

the base of the system

you kind of have to rebuild a building if you tear out the foundation

[regal mulch]

no you get a shit ton of glue and a crane

[dark rain]

yeah

to rebuild the building

lmao

[regal mulch]

no i was saying you take the rest of the building out with a crane and then glue the building back onto a new foundation

and then it falls over and you fucking die

but seriously though can you quickly explain what your mod system is

[dark rain]

there are 5 abilities that are p much dnd analogues

strength, agility, constitution, intelligence, and psyche

psyche is your wisdom/charisma analogue

they each directly affect something or other

strength affects inventory space, agility affects your dodge chance, your constitution score is the same as your HP, so on

so it's pretty hard to dump one of them without seeing a major downside

each ability then has 4-8 skills tied it

ie strength gets your athletics and melee stuff but also intimidation

constitution doesn't have any skills because it's your HP which is really important on it's own

when you make a check, you roll 2d10+your level in a skill+an applicable ability modifier

so someone with melee 3 and a 14(+2 mod) in agility gets +5 with one-handed melee weapons

skills are directly increased with xp

it costs 1 xp to increase a skill from 0 to 1, 2 to increase it from 1 to 2

and so on

and you get 1 xp per session

you can also spend XP on increasing your defenses, hp, etc

or learning spells

which operate kinda like skills in that they are generally applicable

there isn't a fireball spell

there is just a "fire" spell

it does fire things

what does that mean? idk figure it out

I provide some examples of course but you're free to make up your own applications for it

[regal mulch]

i do like that last part with the spells

we kind of have that for some adaps and features

but to a lesser degree

[dark rain]

it stemmed directly from a frustration with how 5e limits you to discrete spell effects

I want to be an ice wizard not a cone of cold and ice storm wizard

[regal mulch]

i think we should just keep the current mod system

because we cant really do that due to how the systems we have work

we cant give HP increases, many inventory increases (outside of gourmand that guy can have like 7 cheek slots), and damage buffs i dont think fit here outside of species

[dark rain]

yeah

stuff like inventory space is a really important mechanic in AMG so taking it out would screw up some of the balance

or changing it in any way

[regal mulch]

i only added a +2 cheeks adap because i added an adap that lets you shoot things out of your mouth and it was funny

[dark rain]

that's really funny I agree

[regal mulch]

its basically just an extended mag adap when combined

[dark rain]

gourmand watermelon seed machine gun

[regal mulch]

the idea of a gourmand basically being a burst fire turret is amazing

i wonder if you could fashion what is basically a rock quiver and put it on your back

[dark rain]

gourmand is fat because they have a watermelon growing inside them

[dark rain]

why not make a spear quiver then

or a satchel

or

a backpack

so you can carry lots of Stuff

[regal mulch]

ok thats fair

i dont think you would be able to make that unless you like

glued way too many spears together

[dark rain]

I mean you could carry like 3 of them w a quiver

[regal mulch]

yeah you could if you amde one

[dark rain]

ye

[regal mulch]

but anyways uh we have a problem if we increase the max modifier

[dark rain]

not too hard, you just need a big piece of sheet metal and a hammer to make a crude one

[dark rain]

do we

[regal mulch]

it makes all this need a increase/decrease to the dice roll to have it be around the same power at max mod

i was thinking 7 as max so the top two would need 1d8 and the 3rd one would need to be changed to 1d4

[dark rain]

you could just keep it at +5 and make it a 2d6 system

[regal mulch]

that

[dark rain]

adjust your DCs and kaboom

[regal mulch]

damn that is true

[dark rain]

plus d6 is a more common die

[regal mulch]

fuck yeah that works

[dark rain]

so it's convenient

[regal mulch]

let me check the percentages

8 12 16 20 goes to like

[dark rain]

so like

6 9 12 15

[regal mulch]

yeah

or 6 9 12 15 18 because yeah

18 is the equivalent of "this is literally impossible without external help"

[dark rain]

imo that's not a check

that's just a no

[regal mulch]

i will roll a 30 somehow

ok comparing the percentages

2d8 + 7
8 is 100%
12 is 90.63%
16 is 56.25%
20 is 15.63%

2d6 + 5
6 is 100%
9 is 91.67%
12 is 58.33%
15 is 16.67%

so yeah

basically the same

whats more interesting though is the +0

2d8
8 is 67.19%
12 is 23.44%
16 is 1.56%

2d6
6 is 72.22%
9 is 27.78%
12 is 2.78%

it makes stuff a noticeable amount easier

[dark rain]

only by like

5% at the most

not a huge deal

[regal mulch]

yeah

i do like it because now negatives matter a lot more

[dark rain]

it's barely statistically significant

[regal mulch]

a -2 is already making your chance of getting a hard check below 10%

with 2d8 its 10%

which isnt a massive difference but looking at -5

[dark rain]

yeah cause your PDF is crunched down

so decreases are sharper

[regal mulch]

you have half the chance of an average check

15% -> 8%

a -5 goes from "i basically can never succeed in this skill" to "i cannot succeed in this skill"

[dark rain]

why have -5 even be an option at that point

[regal mulch]

why not

if people hate one skill in particular

[dark rain]

because it's meta to have several -5s

due to how your party members will almost certainly cover the weakness

[regal mulch]

i still feel like thats a decent trade off if you want to minmax

literally stopping you from using a skill

[dark rain]

you wouldnt ever use it if it was +0

either

because your party will have it better

and make checks on it instead

[regal mulch]

theres situations where it would still come into play

[dark rain]

when is it beneficial for multiple people to roll stealth

[regal mulch]

entire group getting past an area

[dark rain]

having multiple people sneaking around pretty much ensures that one of you will fail

which fails all of you

unless you're separated out

in which case the rest of you have to jump in

if someone gets caught

taming or intimidation won't benefit from help often

[regal mulch]

"why not let another party member do X" applys to like

all ttrpgs though

or most atleast

[dark rain]

yes

which is why a +0 here is effectively the same as a -5 in most situations

so you might as well make it a -5

it's a dominant strategy because there are essentially no downsides

[regal mulch]

should we make the min mod something higher then

like -3 or -2

[dark rain]

I mean

why not 0

people are gonna decrease it to whatever ur minimum is

[regal mulch]

we need a min mod of -2 atleast

[dark rain]

why

[regal mulch]

species have -2 in two stats

[dark rain]

you can change that

[regal mulch]

ill think about it

oh right for the combat rework

i was thinking we make it contests instead of DCs

and remove resolve

but we keep feinting

[dark rain]

if resolve is removed there's no reason to make everything an opposed check

other than (speaking from personal experience) unnecessary granularity

[regal mulch]

what do you think about keeping feinting for players though

[dark rain]

ok ok

hear me out

why not just have attack and defense DCs for enemies

and let players roll both to attack and defend

[regal mulch]

that could work

[dark rain]

it does work

[regal mulch]

i mean yeah it does work

[dark rain]

it's called a player-facing system

it's amazing

[regal mulch]

counterpoint: math rocks

[dark rain]

the GM already has control over literally everything

[regal mulch]

but seriously that is a good option

[dark rain]

so giving the players all the math rock dopamine is fine

[regal mulch]

i think keeping contests out of combat and DCs in contests would work

outside of like

[dark rain]

just keep contests out of existing

[regal mulch]

bait apprations DC being roll + will and creature rolling against that but thats different

[dark rain]

the only situation in which a player facing system requires contests is in pvp

which shouldn't happen in the first place

unless it's consensual

[regal mulch]

wait fuck that would just be covered by defense DC

[regal mulch]

scavenger fighting arena:

[dark rain]

in which case you can just handle it with player to player roleplay

usually when someone wants to like

steal something from another player

I just ask the other player if they give consent

[regal mulch]

actually wait wait would the DC for creatures be their attack/defense DC + mod

do we even need the creature mods

[dark rain]

no

it's great

it's so much less work lmao

[regal mulch]

you never answered about feinting though

i think we need something like it because most stuff can and will kill you

in one hit

two on average

[dark rain]

idk what feinting is

[regal mulch]

oh

if you fail a reaction you can feint with a different stat to attempt to succeed the reaction

[dark rain]

sure

[regal mulch]

as i already said

your HP pool is tiny

1-2 fails and you die is a bit too harsh imo

even for this

and it keeps the idea of you being extremely frail and simply avoiding damage while basically increasing your hp pool

and it also means youre better off not dumping resistance if you go for say

agility

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane hey what do you think about changing dice to 2d6 again, removing resolve and predictions, keeping feinting, and making the system as a whole player facing

[regal mulch]

I thought predictions was an interesting concept, but with how you're changing it, it does make it pointless.

Resolve wasn't used at all, so I do agree we can just remove it. As you said, feinting is a good last chance at not dying.

You might limit its usage tho to reduce spam of it on repetitive bad rolls.

Like maybe once every two turns or something.

its once per turn

I'm aware that it currently is. I guess since it only applies to being attacked it won't be spammed that hard. I just feel like being able to roll twice every turn could become a nuisance. Might just be me tho.

only when you fail though

It's more situational than I'm giving it credit for, so ignore me. Lol

[regal mulch]

do give any ideas on how feints should be implemented

[regal mulch]

i wanna change monks downside

[hushed bane]

ACK sorry i was gone for a while

[hushed bane]

id say it fits pretty well

[hushed bane]

sure! idk how player-facing works though, so i'd have to look into that

looking into it though it seems pretty dope

so if an enemy attacks it's just you rolling to dodge / resist?

[regal mulch]

yeah

[regal mulch]

its too similar to saints

[hushed bane]

idk if that's a bad thing

[regal mulch]

well theyre both herbivore spellcasters that are worse with weapons than other species

i feel like there should be atleast a difference for the worse with weapons part for monk

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane oh right emerald suggest we have the minimum mod be 0

as a -5 and a 0 dont really hav a big difference as youre not gonna succeed most of the time

[hushed bane]

i mean, maybe monk has less damage but saint has disadvantage?

[hushed bane]

that works!

[regal mulch]

so should we make min mod 0

wait should rivs new default trait be advantage when feinting

so for creatures we have an attack and defense DC

is attack DC for when youre attacking them or is it when youre being attacked by them

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane ok im gonna throw my ideas i need feedback on out there

rivs default adap should be advantage on feints

you should be able to feint after any failed reaction but you cant feint off a feint

contests should be removed all together in favor of DC values for creatures (may present a problem as we might need a DC for every stat)

[hushed bane]

i agree with all of these

[regal mulch]

ok ill rewrite the contests and combat part once i solve the second half of this

[regal mulch]

(played 30 minutes of dmc 5) we should add a style ranking

[hushed bane]

LMAOO

[hushed bane]

maybe DC is decided BY the modifier

[regal mulch]

wdym

[regal mulch]

I'm assuming something like having a set DC for everything, then the modifier raises or lowers it?

[regal mulch]

i think just giving each mod a DC works better

I think it works better, yeah, however it's going to mean more work on each creature.

not more work than the mods raising or lowering the DC

This is true

[regal mulch]

:)

[dark rain]

just mark which skill theyre good and bad at and assign DCs to good and bad

[regal mulch]

Then if it arises, you need a neutral DC.

[dark rain]

no u dont

most creatures die in 2 hits so assigning more than 2 DCs to it is a waste of time imo

if i cant write down a statblock in the margins of my notes then its useless to me

[regal mulch]

wouldnt that just be the same as assigning each a dc

[dark rain]

yeah but you only have to remember two dcs

[regal mulch]

2 -> 5 isnt that big of a difference

and youd have the stats written down or open anyways

[dark rain]

not major but I find it helpful

[regal mulch]

because you need to remember how much damage stuff does

i think a DC for every stat works fine

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane do you want me to rewrite the combat section or do you wanna do it

anyways time to give creatures DCs

6, 6, 12, 12, 9

[hushed bane]

ill do it!

[regal mulch]

you know what its gonna be right

how are these for DCs

the 3+ is just because some creatures have such bad stats in some areas

too clutered or nah

should i remove the names

of the DCs

should i change any of these

wait what even is allure for creatures

intimidation?

cant wait to make the red lizard and just give it 15+ in every stat

[regal mulch]

Probably.

should i change up any of these stats though

Looks good to me.

should i get rid of the names for the DCs

just keep the numbers

get rid of some clutter

[regal mulch]

Probably. If you keep this table they have that information.

how are the DC names btw

I like them.

pathetic only exists because of green lizards being so stupid

like my man has a negative iq

True. Lol

And blues having no health whatsoever. Lmao

[dark rain]

102 hp

[regal mulch]

its literally the health values from the game x 12

i lowered some of the hps

-12 for vulture

-6 for green liz

-4 for pink liz

[dark rain]

u could just have lower damage

and lower hp

since you dont need that amount of granularity

[regal mulch]

i will increase the damage values and hp by 10x

[dry oriole]

Just wanted to say that the TTRPG looks super cool so far, and the discussion around it is really fun and interesting to read! ^^

Great job so far! ^^

[regal mulch]

[dry oriole]

💜

[regal mulch]

thank you

if you ever wanna help or have any questions you wanna ask feel free to

[dry oriole]

Aww, you're very welcome! ^^ And thanks a ton, will do!

I've never really played a TTRPG, though I would love to, so I don't know toooo much about how they work, but still! I can totally learn!

[regal mulch]

youre free to try when we do another test session

and just giving ideas on stuff we can add is extremey helpful

That and you don't have to have any idea of what you're doing to help come up with ideas.

implementing the stuff is the easy part

ideas are hard

And Autumn I have been mostly drawing a blank on adaptations. You basically already came up with a thorns with the back fire.

yeah same

could we give items as adaptations?

Like take an adaption that just randomly gives you a spear?

no i meant like

unique items

Ohhh

Hmmm

probably not since crafting is a thing

Unless it's like an op one time use thing.

not one time use

then nobody picks it

outside of one shots

Idk, could be something like a boom stick that insta kills a vulture. Something handy to hold onto for when the time it is required. With the fact you can take multiple adaptations, idk why not.

[dry oriole]

Aww, thank you both, I appreciate it! ^^ I'd love to try it out sometime, if I can and may!

[regal mulch]

If you want to help with what we're currently struggling on, we need more adaptations and rites.

[regal mulch]

i say no just because then it becomes a "save this for a rainy day" item thats never used

Fair

and its not like other items because most are a dime a dozen

[dry oriole]

Oh, how d'you mean? What are adaptations and rites? ^^

[regal mulch]

read the character creation section for adaps and the blessings and rites section

long story short though

[dry oriole]

AHH Okay, thanks

[regal mulch]

adaptations: abilities you gain that upgrade your slugcat

Rites are like spells, and adaptations are like little mutations that add uniqueness to your character's playstyle. We have a few already in the character creation if you want an idea.

rites: spells

[dry oriole]

Ahh, thank you both! ^^

So would stuff like Rivulet's speed be an adaptation?

Or is that different since it's an innate ability of it?

[regal mulch]

It is, and as your example, that is a unique trait to riv.

[dry oriole]

Ahh, okay, thank you! ^^

[regal mulch]

We call the innate ones Traits, and potential added ones adaptations.

base traits of species are features

[dry oriole]

Oh, I see!

[regal mulch]

wait arent they called features

Features, ye

[dry oriole]

Ahh, gotcha!

Cool, thanks! ^^

[regal mulch]

it says features but traits is a better name

if you have any ideas at all for rites or adaps please give them

[dry oriole]

Sure thing, will do! ^^

[regal mulch]

I've always called them traits because it makes more sense.

our goal is about 10-15 rites and 20-30 adaptations

[dry oriole]

Oooh, okay! Cool!

[regal mulch]

and probably adding more once its "finished"

we should try to avoid needing to edit stats of stuff after we make it public

as that could mess with campaigns going on

Which just means lots of test runs to make sure things are balanced.

[dry oriole]

I would have an idea taken from my Slugcat OC, maybe a strengthened sense of smell? So easier to find food, for example?

[regal mulch]

Idea

Poison claws

[regal mulch]

i like it

[dry oriole]

Thank you! ^^

[regal mulch]

that is a bit of a host thing though

[dry oriole]

Ooh, how d'you mean?

[regal mulch]

Is it? Idk much about host

[dry oriole]

[regal mulch]

you can send a mini DLL to scout ahead and it gives you a general idea of whats there

like if theres food

[dry oriole]

AHH Okay, cool!

[regal mulch]

and if it dies that means theres danger

[dry oriole]

Oof ;v; Poor thing

[regal mulch]

how would poison claws work

+1d4 damage the turn after you make an unarmed strike?

Hmmm

That or maybe lower it's toughness?

Resistance I think it's called

[alpine kelp]

(sorry to be the nitpicking dude here but if the slugcat itself isn't poisonous then any toxins it produces from the mouth/claws would be venom, not poison)

[regal mulch]

thank you for the nitpick accuracy is nice

wait what would acidic bites be then

is your spit just acidic then

Basically

and it coats your teeth

That's what I got from it

acidic bite is awesome

What I assumed the idea was

i should make my slugcat have a like

[alpine kelp]

basically if you bite it and you die, it's poisonous
if it bites you and you die, it's venomous

[regal mulch]

ancient naming scheme

they stole it from a pearl

[alpine kelp]

if it's acid then it isn't a toxin, problem solved

[regal mulch]

I've been using gods for funzies.

identity theft is ok if the person left this mortal plane

Yes. Lol

That's a really fucked up idea. XD

Love it

actually we have fire adap already

how about a ice or water one

[alpine kelp]

how does the fire adap work

[regal mulch]

uh

you can set your back on fire

1d6 damage - tolerance to yourself every action or reaction you make

and 1d8 damage to your attacker

[alpine kelp]

through natural combustible material, through mechanical means, or by sheer magic power?

[regal mulch]

up to the player how they want to roleplay it

i need to make it so activating the fire costs an action

and clarify for stuff that food pip/damage dosent occur until the first action

is 1d8 damage too much though

actually

wait

does it activate only on taking damage or when you dont take damage

[alpine kelp]

id say a water adaptation would work better than an ice one

an ice one would almost certainly be very powerful (freeze ice, freeze creatures in water, walk on water, etc.)

[regal mulch]

maybe i should remove the fire damage on hit part

make that a seperate adap

@regal mulch how would the thorns adap work

Hmm?