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regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:27 AM

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dm makes up difficulty on the fly

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:27 AM

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both

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:27 AM

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difficulty is decided by the weapon type

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:27 AM

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because they cant prep for everything

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oh

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:27 AM

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or difficulty is decided for all weapons as once thing

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which one

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:27 AM

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assign different tasks different difficulties

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:28 AM

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i think we should include difficulty for a standard strike but not anything else

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then the dm decides depending on factors

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such as the creature type in question

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:28 AM

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a standard strike isnt equally easy on everythingg

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a standard strike on a wall shouldnt be able to fail for example

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youre literally hitting the broad side of a barn

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:28 AM

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well thats why the creatures have a different block/dodge stat

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:28 AM

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yeah

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:28 AM

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thats different

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:29 AM

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oh right weird combat system

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:29 AM

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if a creature dosent block or dodge and you succeed its an instant hit

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:29 AM

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idk just use 3e/4e/5e's DC system

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:29 AM

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we have oje

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20, 16, 12, 8

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bleak hard average easy

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:30 AM

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and have creature's block and dodge be two separate DCs that you can check agaisnt

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:30 AM

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well they choose to do one or the other

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:30 AM

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those can be created ahead of time or in the moment

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yeah

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the GM can choose that

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:30 AM

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yeah

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creatures stats and dice will be decided by the stat block

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or we could have the dm randomize the stats somewhat

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:31 AM

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gm can do that if they want ig

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:31 AM

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yeah

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i say just preset stats

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:31 AM

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id suggest you just provide a static stat block

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and then they can mod it

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:32 AM

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should that be mentioned like

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"its suggested to modify stats slightly for each creature"

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:33 AM

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you can put that in the GM advice section

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:33 AM

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i will

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:33 AM

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though you probably wanna run the game before writing that

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lol

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some things that sound like good advice actually suck ass

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"no metagaming"

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sounds good

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sucks ass

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:34 AM

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how does it suck

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:34 AM

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metagaming is a tool that players can use to help direct the story

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its frequently part of the reason why a party forms in the first place

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because its supposed to happen

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there should be a reason but like

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meta can do some of the work

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its useful when the characters are able to recognize tropes since it makes telling a story easier

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theres good and bad kinds

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regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:36 AM

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yeah

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i feel like what you shouldnt meta game is like

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abusing creature weaknesses without a sound reason to know them

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:37 AM

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something like knowing that killing the alpha of an orange lizard pack is reasonable

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if there is some sort of Slugcat Society then at least one of them would probably have heard that

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:37 AM

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yeah it just depends on the character, setting, backstory, etc

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:38 AM

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it only really applies for common creatures too

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:38 AM

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yeah

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and also certain stuff like bubble fruit

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you could reasonably assume that it could pop in water

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:39 AM

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one piece of advice i see weirdly option is that you shouldnt be afraid to kill PCs

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which is bad advice because it misses the point

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you shouldnt be afraid to punish mistakes

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:40 AM

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well its a rain world ttrpg

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:40 AM

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that doesnt have to include PC death

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:40 AM

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we cant kill PCs

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:40 AM

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ik im just talking generally

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:40 AM

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we literally cant a campaign goal is to kill yourself a lot of the time

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but yeah ik what you mean

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:41 AM

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punish them by taking their money it makes them WAY angrier

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:41 AM

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also it seems to be shaping up so its more about like

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planning and finding the right time to strike

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resolve and the way a lot of slugcats have conditional buffs

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also i think we should have the dm decide a creatures attack before a player uses resolve

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otherwise the results will be skewed

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@dark rain going off of what the dm should make up and what should be preset for weapons i have an idea

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i think the basic attack for every weapon should be preset

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but past that its up for the dm to decide

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:49 AM

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i dont really get how the combat system works so idk how to give input

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:49 AM

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if you succeed a roll and the creature fails, you get to attack

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if you fail a roll and a creatures succeeds they take no damage

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if both fail or succeed nothing changes

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:50 AM

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so why do weapons need a DC

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:50 AM

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for the difficulty of a attack succeding

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some weapons might be harder or easier to hse

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:51 AM

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why not just have the weapon damage the target if you succeed

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:51 AM

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if they dodge or block it wont do damage

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:51 AM

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regal mulch if you succeed a roll and the creature fails, you get to attack

the first one

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just have the weapon deal damage

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you dont need two rolls

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well

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three with damage

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if you want to make some weapons more difficult to wield impose a stat requirement

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or require a weapon training adaptation

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that moves the crunch to character creation which speeds up combat

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and also allows for more customization

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:53 AM

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i think how it is works

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you roll for accuracy, then damage

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i think the dm deciding the DC is a good idea though

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:54 AM

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so you do the contested roll

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roll for accuracy

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:54 AM

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as a very close range stab should have a low DC while one from far off has a higher one

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:54 AM

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then damage

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:54 AM

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no

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accuracy is up against a dodge/block

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:54 AM

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ok

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if thats the contested roll

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:55 AM

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then if accuracy succeeds, you roll damage

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:55 AM

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then what is the DC for

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oh

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its not a contested check its

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thats weird

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wouldnt it be easier to just have whoever rolls higher succeed

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:55 AM

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youd need to ask fizzy about it

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theyre the one who decided this

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:56 AM

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that way there arent turns where Nothing Happens

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:56 AM

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stuff still happens

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you gain or lose resolve

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:56 AM

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oh weird

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:56 AM

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which is important as positive resolve lets you get the ability to get an attack to always hits

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if you predict the next stat used right

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 AM

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wow i dont like that at all lol

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 AM

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idk i like it

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fits how rain world is imo

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 AM

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i dont think its consistent with the very environmental combat of rain world

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 AM

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wdym

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:58 AM

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i feel like you should be using terrain advantages or your specific abilities to come out on top

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:58 AM

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yeah you do

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you can use both

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:58 AM

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yeah

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thats double-dipping

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:59 AM

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i dont see how its a problem or inconsistent

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 5:59 AM

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it decreases the prevalence of being clever and makes it more about mind games

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which is very appropriate for jojo

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but seems unnecessary if youre trying to capture rain world's combat

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which is very lethal and mostly based on advantages that the combatants come into combat with

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im very much in the camp of reducing weight as much as possible if its unneeded though

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if youre going for a more crunchy approach then this probably works

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i just hate running games with a lot of die rolls lol

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:03 AM

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i like how it is

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might need some tweaking but thats for tommitow

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i do have one idea

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if an attack brings you from full to no health in one hit you could instead get left at 1 hp

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:04 AM

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that incentivizes people to dump hp though

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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you can barley raise hp anyways

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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how is hp done

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i cant tell

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lol

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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you have 12

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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o

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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very few things raise it

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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well if everyone has the same hp then that works

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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maybe an adaptation raises it by 3

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at most

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:05 AM

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TOUGH FEAT POG

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:06 AM

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but hp isnt easy to raise

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almost never happening

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its more focused on dodging and blocking

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:06 AM

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max hp should never be higher than 25 in a tabletop game

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unless its a dragon

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:06 AM

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i would say have it so if it overkills you to a point where its like

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:06 AM

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dragons should have 50 hp

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:06 AM

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-12 hp

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then youre just dead

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its mostly meant to represent how the game is

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one mistake odds are youre dead

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bit more lenient as it wouldnt be very much fun like that

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actually i say we dont need one shot prevention

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but i do feel like one fail and you die is a bit too much

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idk how to resolve this

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any ideas

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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i think getting oneshot is hilarious

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and should be fully supported

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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idk it isnt very fun

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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it isnt but thats why its funny

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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especially since one death is -1 karma for rhe full party

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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just dont get oneshot lmao

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

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literally a basic enemy can one shot

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a pink lizard would do 2d6

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:12 AM

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seems like a fundamental issue with trying to convert a skill-based system into a primarily luck/management-based one

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if ur good at rain world u dont die

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but you cant be good enough at rain world rpg to not die randomly sometimes

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:14 AM

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i think my oneshot prevention mechanic is a good idea

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if youre at full hp you can take one attack like that as long as it takes your max hp to -6 or -12

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:14 AM

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you could also give players a state at 0 hp where some minor penalty is incurred

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but they dont die

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giving them a chance to disengage

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:15 AM

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that could work

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if they take fatal damage they are set at 0 hp and will be given disadvantage on all rolls

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:15 AM

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amg uses 2 hp values to make that work but you could just use the 5e "dying" approach

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:15 AM

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whats their approach

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bleeding out iirc

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and having to make saves

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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yea

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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i dont think that works here

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i think the 0 hp state could work

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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regal mulch if they take fatal damage they are set at 0 hp and will be given disadvantage on...

if youre giving them disadv on all checks then make recovery fairly easy

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:16 AM

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you have recovery die already

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you need to exit combat to use them though

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:17 AM

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yeah

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idk disadv kinda encourages someone to just

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bail from combat

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which makes sense

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but isnt very engaging

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:17 AM

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hm

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:17 AM

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now if youre using disadvantage as a penalty for getting hit a second time at 0

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then thats funny

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thats what i do

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you could do that

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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i do have an idea

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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stop at 0, no penalty

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get hit again disadv

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well

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that means you can take 3 if the last is dead

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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they could be set to 0 health if it one shots them, and they will go back to 1 health if they can deal damage in the next action

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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which is prob too much

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:18 AM

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possibly

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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bloodborne rally mechanic

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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yes

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or another option

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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i dont think that makes much sense for this setting

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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one shots will force you to make a resistance save

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if you fail you die

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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again thats just more luck

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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yeah

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we could just always let you take 2 hits if it dosent overkill too much

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or say

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:20 AM

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i think just stopping at 0 and having another hit be Kill is best

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with some creatures able to bypass that obv

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like DLLs

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:21 AM

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regal mulch we could just always let you take 2 hits if it dosent overkill too much

-1 on your next roll for every point of overkill

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:21 AM

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dark rain i think just stopping at 0 and having another hit be Kill is best

i think leaving you at 1hp unless the attack does enough overkill works

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:21 AM

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id try to avoid weird floating minuses in combat

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or pluses for that matter

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its why dnd 4e chugs so much in combat

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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those are just modifiers for X amount of actions right

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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whuh

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no i mean a bunch of conditional bonuses that you have to remember

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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oh wait different thing fuck

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nvm

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we have some of those

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 AM

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its fine if theyre character abilities

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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but its mostly class specific

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and adaptation specific

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and you only havelike

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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but if theyre baked into combat its gonna be forgotten

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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3 class specific ones normally and maybe 1 or 2 general ones

dark rain Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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frequently

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yeah

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i need to sleep

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bye

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:23 AM

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seeya

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night

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 7:22 AM

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huh just found the thread, neat

read through the doc

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 9:54 AM

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this works

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 10:04 AM

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dark rain but seems unnecessary if youre trying to capture rain world's combat

yeah true, i've been debating on revising how combat works after writing that up anyway
it's just how i'd change it is the problem

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 10:18 AM

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regal mulch but i do feel like one fail and you die is a bit too much

not exactly since death isn't permanent

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sure it has a few ill effects but it doesn't have the same weight as making a new character

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 2:44 PM

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@hushed bane hey

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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hi

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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hey meme

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what do you think we should do about one shots

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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uh let me see

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like you're saying OHKOs?

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or are you saying one-shot stories

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:17 PM

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OHKOs

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:17 PM

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i was mainly thinking i could maybe help come up with the permanent injury table listings

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:18 PM

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idk it feels weird that like

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:18 PM

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what is your main concern with OHKOs anyway?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:18 PM

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oop you got unlucky no more stuff for you to do this session

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lowers player engagement by a lot

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:18 PM

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what sort of things would OHKO?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:19 PM

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literally anything

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pink lizard does 2d6 damage

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you have 12 health

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wait i got an idea

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if your body is still fine while youre at 0hp you can be taken to a shelter, and then you can use recovery dice there

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:22 PM

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additionally have a "roll to escape" mechanic where if successful, killing moves will leave you critically injured at the lowest possible health instead of the usual thing where you just die instantly

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:23 PM

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i already suggested that

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and would you die on failure or no?

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:25 PM

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what are the consequences of death

do rw's rebirth mechanics apply here

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:26 PM

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its in the doc

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in the cycles section

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:26 PM

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ah

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on failure the usual death stuff happens, but the body recovery thing means that if your body is successfully carried to a shelter then the food pips, karma, and permanent injury debuffs don't occur - you still lose your held items though

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:31 PM

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well your items would just fall to the ground

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i think you still get a permanent injury

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:32 PM

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i'd MAYBE consider having a karma flower mechanic though, with similar properties to the base game

in other words:

used upon death, lost upon a starve attempt
prevents death debuffs

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:32 PM

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regal mulch i think you still get a permanent injury

fair

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do you want my help with the permanent injury table?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:33 PM

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we will get a karma flower in the game soon

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and there will be a rite that gives the effectr

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and sure

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we need 18

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1 is the worst

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18 is the not a big deal

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19 and 20 are already no injury

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:34 PM

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so PERMANENT injury? can these not be healed in any way whatsoever, even through blessings or iterator stuff or whatever?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:35 PM

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you can get them healed in some way i assume

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:35 PM

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what ARE blessings anyway? they're never explained

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:35 PM

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we will get to explaining them

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uh

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basically mana

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used for rites (spells)

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:37 PM

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ok so what should be the WORST permanent injury? this is important as it serves as a baseline for the rest of them

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:37 PM

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what do you think

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:42 PM

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well uhhh, it depends on how severe permanent injuries should be

immediately the most harsh things i could imagine would probably be:

loss of sight/hearing
loss of limbs/permanent handicap
broken/removed jaw

but realistically i don't think players should get SO severely punished for simply rolling low on a d20

so i'd say the worst permanent injuries should be like... idk

massive scarring? weakening of a body part? partial/total blindness in one eye? idk

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:44 PM

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injuries are gonna be rp stuff and not affect combat iirc

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:47 PM

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ok if so, i'd say permanent injuries should mainly be scarring or other "minor" damage in which the body isn't compromised

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:47 PM

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maybe

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i wanna ask fizzy first what they think

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 3:48 PM

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so the most severe one would be a massive leviathan jaw scar imprint from getting bitten by one, or a gunshot wound from angering an iterator

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:48 PM

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@hushed bane should injuries give debuffs

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:54 PM

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im back!

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:54 PM

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regal mulch <@447340800322306049> should injuries give debuffs

uhh

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preferably not

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but if they do it should be minor?

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:55 PM

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hushed bane yeah true, i've been debating on revising how combat works after writing that up...

also this

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i sorta wanna just scrap this combat system and change it entirely

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:56 PM

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how would we change it

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to what

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:56 PM

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something that fits rain world more

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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i really do like the resolve system though

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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yeah maybe we should keep it

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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i like the predicting an enemies attack type

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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emerald's criticism just resonated with me

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Buttttt

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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feinting we dont really like

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need?

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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i think feinting's great!

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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wait right fuck

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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since it's not actually that powerful

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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you dont need to take damage to activate it

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:57 PM

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mhm

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just lose a contest

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:58 PM

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if you did it would be useless

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:58 PM

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hushed bane since it's not actually that powerful

and forces you to be creative with what stats you use

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and you can't chain feints like predictions

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:58 PM

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oh right about OHKOs and dying too early in a session

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i got an idea

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:58 PM

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dying isn't permanent though

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and dying early is arguably better

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:58 PM

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if your body is still in tact you can be taken to a shelter and then use recovery dice to heal

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:58 PM

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since it resets your food

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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regal mulch if your body is still in tact you can be taken to a shelter and then use recover...

yeah sure

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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dosent dying mean you cant do stuff for the rest of the session?

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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regal mulch dosent dying mean you cant do stuff for the rest of the session?

no?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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oh shit

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i thought you wouldnt be revived till next session

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its good then

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where do you revive then

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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you simply revive where you died (a little unrealistic but i think it works) with some injuries

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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next shelter the group comes across?

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like l4d closets

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i like that idea

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 3:59 PM

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maybeeee

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i just think it should be where you died

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or the room before

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makes things more simple

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 4:00 PM

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id go with next shelter

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to make it still have weight

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 4:00 PM

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thing is that then takes that player out of the game until the next shelter is found

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 4:00 PM

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still the DM would probably put a shelter soon after

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 4:01 PM

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WAIT NO SINCE THEY'RE REVIVED

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it actually just splits the party

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which is

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arguably worse

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 4:01 PM

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yeah

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just revive at the next shelter

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i would say a revival should expend 1 recovery dice if you have some left

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if you dont have any left it wont expend anything

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 4:02 PM

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frankly though if there are different types of injuries i think they should just reflect in which way you died (or at least the creature that killed you) rather than having a big table

scars should reflect the "final hit" that killed you

so as an example:

red lizards would have 3 potential injury scars: a bite, a claw scratch, and a mark from getting hit by the spit
scavengers have 4: rubbish hit, spear hit, explosive spear hit, and bomb hit

now scar PLACEMENT varies - imo players should be able to put them wherever, or it will appear in the spot where they got hit (if we have a body part system)

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 4:02 PM

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i would go with that

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letting the player decide the injury type

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or dm

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more accurate and allows more customization

alpine kelp Jun 25, 2022, 4:04 PM

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we should still provide some sort of way to NOT get permanent injuries if you're lucky though

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or to heal them through some system (probably blessings)

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 4:04 PM

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regal mulch i would say a revival should expend 1 recovery dice if you have some left

id say that works

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 4:04 PM

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alpine kelp frankly though if there are different types of injuries i think they should just...

yeah!!

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tbh i already wrote that as an extra option but

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yeah

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makes way more sense

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also makes your journey unique

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at the very end, you can all reflect on your past injuries

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 4:12 PM

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any way to heal them?

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 4:28 PM

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back

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depends on the injury

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scars probably not, but they're mostly aesthetic

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lost limbs, eyes, etc?

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possibly through external help

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iterators, karma magic, something the DM makes up

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:47 PM

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@hushed bane question do you have any ideas on how we would rework the combat system

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you said you wanted to

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 5:48 PM

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back

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i dont think we should tbh

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we both like it

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it might not totally fit the feel of rain world's gameplay but i think it fits a standoff between predator and prey quite well

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:50 PM

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we could slightly change it if necessary

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get rid of the tie state unless their roll is the same?

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that also removes the need for a DC for attacking, dodging, and blocking

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its just which is higher

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 5:54 PM

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idk, which is higher seems a little unfair

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since some creatures are obviously gonna have some high stats

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which mean, if they're high enough, a slugcat requires a super lucky roll to ever even hope to beat them

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:55 PM

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that is true

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 PM

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i think the tie state is fine as is

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 PM

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should the DC of the attack be decided by the weapon?

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or the dm

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 PM

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regal mulch should the DC of the attack be decided by the weapon?

DM

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 PM

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as something like a point blank attack is much easier than an attack from far away

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creatrues attacks should be pre set though

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 PM

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since the DC is usually based on context yeah

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:57 PM

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as uh

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 5:58 PM

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i mean their DC is also based on context too

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but their attack damage and stuff of course

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 5:58 PM

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thats true

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just let the dm decide DC for all the attacks?

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and dodges

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oh wait

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have we explained blessings yet

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:00 PM

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WE HAVEN'T

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maybe a new section in basic rules?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:01 PM

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maybe in combat actionsd?

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:03 PM

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nah since not all spells are combat focused

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:03 PM

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basic rules

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hows that section

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in basic rules

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or should we have a section called like

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"actions"

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@hushed bane

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:17 PM

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yeah that works!

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maybe rename it to blessings and spellcasting

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because i've added a section at the end of the character bit

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called rites

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that basically lists the spells

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:20 PM

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cool what should be in the actions section

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or should it be a subcategory or a category in of its self

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:21 PM

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actions sections?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:22 PM

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section

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should it be its own section or in another one

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right can swe uh

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rename races to species

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@hushed bane

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:26 PM

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regal mulch should it be its own section or in another one

like in stats at actions?

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idk what you mean

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:27 PM

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regal mulch rename races to species

yeah that works

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:27 PM

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oh wait we already have an actions section

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i just realised

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hunterkek

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ill replace it

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:27 PM

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yeah thats why i was confused lmao

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:33 PM

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wait

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how much should monks 1d4 + Knowledge healing cost

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i didnt have a cost for it

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3?

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also should it use will or knowledege for the health

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:34 PM

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3

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and will

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since it's like pushing through injury

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:36 PM

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oh right question

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should we change how nightcats light works?

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rn it can give constant advantage on perception nearby you

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because its always a bright light

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should it be +1 light level

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and then another light source would give +1 light

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so you would need a neuron and the adaptation for that

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:37 PM

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yeahhh

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+1 light level works better

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:38 PM

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yeah

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should it stack with lanterns and neurons tho?

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or maybe we can balance it by having it also give disadvantage to stealth while theres a brightl ight

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:41 PM

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yeah id balance it

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:42 PM

#

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:44 PM

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this works!

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:44 PM

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yeah

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and itll stack with neurons and lanterns

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and neurons will be toggleable because of this right

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otherwise it could fuck with stealth builds

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@hushed bane what are we doing next

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we also might want to rework this so it works better with the death system

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:58 PM

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additionally happens?

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 6:59 PM

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what about it

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its in addition to the normal death effects

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 6:59 PM

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nah

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starvation shouldn't cause permanent injuries

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 7:00 PM

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we should change karma loss and gain thoughh to work better with the player count say

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+1 Karma at the end of each cycle for every player that survives, -1 for every death that cycle

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you need to how many food pips youll have on respawn here

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 7:03 PM

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regal mulch +1 Karma at the end of each cycle for every player that survives, -1 for every d...

thing is usually everyone's alive at the end of the cycle anyway

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even if there are a few dead people

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 7:03 PM

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yeah

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 7:03 PM

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it's like

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 7:03 PM

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then you subtract the deaths

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 7:03 PM

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oh that works

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but this is banking on deaths being very common

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otherwise you'll have +3 or +4 karma each cycle

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like Extremely common

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 7:04 PM

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we would need to test

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 7:05 PM

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brb

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 7:24 PM

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we should probably keep track of what people pick when making a character

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also is this meant to mean "when the accuracy roll is 16 or higher" or when the damage roll is 16 or higher

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i think the first one is better

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 8:05 PM

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added an example

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 8:08 PM

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regal mulch also is this meant to mean "when the accuracy roll is 16 or higher" or when the ...

@hushed bane

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 8:35 PM

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back

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 8:36 PM

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regal mulch i think the first one is better

yeah, you shouldn't be punished for dealing lower damage

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 8:36 PM

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should it be higher damgae

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+4?

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or should it be 15+

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 8:38 PM

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regal mulch added an example

also hows the example

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@hushed bane do you want to work on arti now

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 9:16 PM

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BACK

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SORRY

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was doin a thing

hushed bane Jun 25, 2022, 10:00 PM

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@upbeat temple

regal mulch Jun 25, 2022, 10:00 PM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c5WbbZYUDzZ_yfAJqQ2Gskch1G8dmAk-PIw-C1xDUV8/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Spears & Slugcats - A Rain World TTRPG

Spears and SlugcatsBy fizzyegg and Autumn Overview Note that this rule set contains spoilers for Rain World, and should be read only after beating the game (or if you don’t care about spoilers, that’s cool, keep reading). Spears & Slugcats is a D&D-inspired TTRPG that takes place within the pos...

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 12:15 AM

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@hushed bane hey should creatures have weaknesses and what not

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like a lizard takes 1.5x damage if a spear hits in the mouth

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 12:15 AM

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hmMmmm

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maybe? feels like something a DM can just enforce

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in fact

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idk, i could see it being an extra bit in the creature bios

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i think we'll get to that once we start working on the creatures

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 12:18 AM

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i agree ther

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maybe just say like

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"lizards have armored heads, but are still able to be damage in the mouth"

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also do you want to work on character creation rn

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and ill work on spearmaster

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 12:27 AM

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yeah sure!

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im gonna go get a drink and then finally work on arti

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 12:44 AM

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@hushed bane what does karmic attunement do

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also im gonna rewrite the death part to better communicate what it is now

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also i think this fits starving now too

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we dont need to add the death while starving part

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which is just this

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:32 AM

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@hushed bane something interesting apparently a rain world ttrpg has been attempted before

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i do feel like nightcats adaptations might not be balanced

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along with hunters

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hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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BACK

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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regal mulch <@447340800322306049> something interesting apparently a rain world ttrpg has be...

really?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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yeah

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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rad

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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2017

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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Woah

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:38 AM

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only one mention of it though

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:39 AM

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regal mulch i do feel like nightcats adaptations might not be balanced

too powerful?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:39 AM

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yeah

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it feels like bioluminescene is too good and pounce is too weak

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:39 AM

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maybe make it cost food?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:40 AM

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the flash part not the light part

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2 food work?

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:40 AM

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specify that it's a small area around you and make a flash cost food

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yeah

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:40 AM

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regal mulch 2 food work?

yee

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:40 AM

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ok now i think its balanced

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but hunters still seems unbalanced

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:41 AM

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how so?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:41 AM

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one is rarer and only has +1 damage over the other (on unarmed strikes)

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:42 AM

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yeah but you roll with advantage

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maybe bump it to +3 damage?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:42 AM

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no i mean like

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i think the crit is too weak

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:43 AM

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ohhh

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:43 AM

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the other one is good

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:43 AM

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maybe like

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1d6+1

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?

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in fact that might be a little too much

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2d4+2?

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2d4+1?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:44 AM

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isnt that more

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:45 AM

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Oh wait yeah

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uhh

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1d4+2 maybe

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:46 AM

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1d4+2

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or we could just completly rework it

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:48 AM

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id say 1d4+2

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works best

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what should arti's negative feature be

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:49 AM

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something to do with everyone hating them

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:50 AM

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how would we implement that though

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arti already has -2 allure

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:50 AM

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thats true

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hm

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@dark rain

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https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rain-world-oh-moderators-clash-of-clans-gif-25152431

Tenor

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:51 AM

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lmaoo

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while we wait for that

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adaptationss

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maybe one that improves self explosions?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:53 AM

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yeah

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one for crafting, one self explosion

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:56 AM

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OH WAIT CAN'T ARTIFICER CREATE BOMBS FROM JUST ROCKS AND FOOD PIPS

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:57 AM

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yes

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but i feel like that might be a bit too strong

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:58 AM

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maybe have that as an adaptation

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mobility vs weapons

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but then have a bomb cost like

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3 food

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:58 AM

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yes

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:59 AM

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regal mulch 2017

was it ever finished

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 1:59 AM

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i dont know

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i only saw mention of it from gwyg with an expiered server invite

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 1:59 AM

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damn

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we should ask them about it at some point

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:02 AM

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@tight fog hey i saw a mention of a rain world TTRPG was back in 2017, do we still have the documents for all that so we can reference it?

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:03 AM

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or just know a lil about it

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:05 AM

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@hushed bane i wouldnt include the agility save difficulty

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we are mostly making dms decide the save

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:05 AM

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yeah true

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:06 AM

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make sure to factor in the +3 damage to explosives already

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:07 AM

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mhm

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wait that's 2d6+6

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i might just make it 2d6

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so 2d6+3 already applies

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:09 AM

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a standard grenade should be 2d8+2

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so arti could do up to 21 damage with one

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:10 AM

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hot damn

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:10 AM

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or we could go with 2d6+3 on a standard grendae

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:10 AM

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although that's only if creatures fail at dodging

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:10 AM

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slightly weaker but more consistent

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a 20 max with arti

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:11 AM

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mhm

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:12 AM

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should we say medium range for this explosive?

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for the uh

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improvised nade

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:13 AM

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oh sure

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how much food does spearmaster get from throwing spears at things

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:14 AM

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1 food pip

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only on large creatures though

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:14 AM

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i see

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nah remember that one food pip ingame is 2 here

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:16 AM

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still

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i think its balanced

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cycles are longer

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:16 AM

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true but that means the spearmaster HEAVILY relies on the DM putting a lot of predators in one session

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2 food pips means it has to attack a predator 5 times

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and attacking in the first place is already risky

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1 means it has to attack 10 times

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also should making a spear be a successful save or just automatic?

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if it's the former then it should also be 2 food pips to balance out that you might not always get a spear

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i think it should be though

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:18 AM

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automatic

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imo

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:18 AM

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yeah okay

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that's fair

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:18 AM

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and also because i want a thing

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:18 AM

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thing is does this mean other slugcats have infinite spears

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:19 AM

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every 3 food pips you gain you can give 1 to your team

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no

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only 3 spears can exist at a time

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:19 AM

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ah

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:20 AM

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i was thinking for the adaptation then

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:20 AM

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better spears or better food??

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:20 AM

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every 4 food pips you gain, you can choose to lose 1 food pip to give 1 to all team members

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:20 AM

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OOO

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I LOVE IT

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anyway imma sleep now

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ill be up tomorrow to make more scugs

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:20 AM

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i wouldnt make the spears stronger than normal

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:21 AM

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hopefully we can finish the slugcats by tomorrow

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:21 AM

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regal mulch i wouldnt make the spears stronger than normal

yeah true

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:21 AM

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thats fine

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goodnight

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ill finish spearmaster up

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should we pick if we are gonna use they or it for slugcats or just like

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use both

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also where did you get all the MSC images from

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i cant find them anywhee

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:24 AM

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dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:53 AM

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regal mulch https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rain-world-oh-moderators-clash-of-clans-gif-25...

WHAT

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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what should artis negative trait be

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and question

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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idk

severe olive Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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you're the rain world guy

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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im gonna piss ur pants

worn spear Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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ohweaow

severe olive Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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I'm gonna piss my pants

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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which version is better for the karma explanation

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which picture

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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GET OUT OF HERE

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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the big one or the small one

tired silo Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/403314423873404928/989622644842328104/1655861845780.gif

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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i like the 2nd one

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more

severe olive Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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dark rain GET OUT OF HERE

NO I AM TABLETOP

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:54 AM

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the one with only one row?

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:55 AM

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yea

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:55 AM

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the top one also has the symbols for partial stuff though

severe olive Jun 26, 2022, 3:55 AM

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2nd is a lot more visually appealing, and gives a better reference of what your trying to convey, ye

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1st one is kinda wacky

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implies a horizontal movement that doesn't need to exist

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:56 AM

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but it also conveys the karma symbols that appear before you reach max

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which is important

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 3:57 AM

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arti's negative trait is that they are so attracted to women that they pursue them over all else

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:59 AM

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i may have made the section too big

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idk ill mess with it tommorow and get fizzys input on it

dark rain Jun 26, 2022, 4:26 AM

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oh god

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schmassive

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 4:46 AM

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it is too big

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im removing the final image and the text that goes along with it

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and rewriting the part about what it does

verbal grove Jun 26, 2022, 4:50 AM

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question, is getting attacked by a leviathan, just an instakill?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 5:09 AM

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probably

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also i need to add a section telling you about what slots you have

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@verbal grove any more questions

verbal grove Jun 26, 2022, 5:10 AM

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regal mulch <@951811149446402048> any more questions

not yet

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 5:10 AM

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ok im making a list of what i need to do

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~~rewrite the karma section at the bottom~~
add a section telling about slots you have in character creation along with unarmed strikes
~~fixing inconsistent capitalization (mostly for cycle(s))~~
add a section for gming
~~replace racial with species~~
-~~ adjust spearmaster food adaptation~~
-~~ decide if we use they, it, or both when referring to slugcats~~
~~decide if we use The Hunter, or The Hunter and a Hunter~~
rework or remove the advantage part of artis self explosion skill
~~remove commas being in places they dont need to be~~

heavy chasm Jun 26, 2022, 6:10 AM

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add schmungle

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:13 AM

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regal mulch only one mention of it though

oh yea there was! I was actually part of it for a while both as a player and a DM for it, it was just called RW RPG tho instead of an actual name lol

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I'll get an invite for you

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it's dead now obviously and the general channels been filled with random things so just ignore that lol

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https://discord.gg/ACrsMHqJ

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at least i think its this server you were referring to

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2017 fits the time period for it

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the guy who made it was Wolvered idk if hes still active here

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:18 AM

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oh thank you so much

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looking over it its much less uniform and more freeform

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:23 AM

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looking at it again now and i love that they managed to make basically slugcat among us back in that time

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:23 AM

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which isnt inherently bad

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and yeah i noticed that

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i do want to ask

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was there anything wrong with the systems they had?

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:24 AM

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minmaxing was a problem in the later times i think

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thats what its called right

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:24 AM

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yeah

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we may run into that but weve been careful so far that everything is mostly balanced

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:25 AM

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i think there was a few characters that had like +5 or +6 in one stat because one of the stat features was you could take away a point from one stat and give it to another

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:25 AM

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oh yeah

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for us your base stats limit you to -3 or +3 at max

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:25 AM

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and like im pretty sure the resolving dice was a d10 so that was like

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op

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:25 AM

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ours is 2d8

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:26 AM

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yea that sounds a lot better lmao

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:26 AM

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yeah

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youre free to help us brainstorm or join test sessions

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:26 AM

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id love to join a session

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its finally summer and i got all the free time gourmandthumbsup

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:27 AM

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for a while its mostly going to be test sessions as we need a lot of balancing

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because some things may become extremely overpowered

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:27 AM

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mhm

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:27 AM

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like a spearmaster and survivor feedback loop we have

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that should be fine currently but can get out of hand

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:27 AM

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is that an infinite food loophole

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:27 AM

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no

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you lose food

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:27 AM

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oooh

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:28 AM

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but its still really good

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survivor can give spearmaster +1 and advantage on a throwing roll for 4 food pips

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this gives spearmaster 2 food pips

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which they can then turn into 1 food pip to give to survivor

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:28 AM

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ah right

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:28 AM

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it might be too good

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maybe we should increase food pip gain to +3 with the adaptation

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:29 AM

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wait lemme check the doc to see what that means lol

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:29 AM

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oh

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adaptations are like abilties you gain while you level

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:30 AM

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oh right adaptations like the level thing

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yeye

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:31 AM

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yeah

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at level 3 you get a species adaptation

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question though

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any idea for a negative trait for arti

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:32 AM

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uhhh

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could it just be that scavengers hate him and that theres always a mini kill squad after him

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:34 AM

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not a good one as it messes with the party

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:34 AM

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oh yea fair

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:34 AM

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and will greately decrease people playing arti

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:35 AM

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hmmm

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didnt msc arti have water as a weakness

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did i just make that up

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like i think he just straight up exploded

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maybe something a bit tamer than that tho

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:37 AM

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did they?

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:38 AM

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i really dk if thats true or if im mixing up my mods hunterangy

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:38 AM

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that actually could work

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your self explosions dont work underwater

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:39 AM

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hm ye

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and then like have that extend to some time after theyve gone back to land

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:40 AM

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then again it should apply to every enviroment

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and that dosent always apply

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:43 AM

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the only trait i could think of would have something to do with their karma

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would they just not gain karma if they havent dragged a dead scav/anything into a shelter?

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itd be a bit weird tho

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oh maybe if you're injured/starving your mini explosions stun you for a short bit

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:45 AM

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elaborate

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:46 AM

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so with low HP or when starving, when you do the mini explosion to launch yourself anywhere, you become like unconscious for like an actions worth of time

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:50 AM

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dont think that would work

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:50 AM

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ah right

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:54 AM

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im gonna sleep now

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goodnight

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:54 AM

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regal mulch - ~~rewrite the karma section at the bottom~~ - add a section telling about slot...

@hushed bane this is what we are gonna need to do

quaint aspen Jun 26, 2022, 6:56 AM

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goodnoit

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 9:22 AM

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I'm assuming the categories at the bottom are placeholders for WIP stuff?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:35 AM

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Wanting to start speculating on balancing future creatures. Hopefully get some ideas to throw at y'all once you get that far. Issue is, kinda difficult to balance stuff like attacks without a baseline for health. Was wondering if you guys had figured that out yet or not. Didn't see it in the doc.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:35 AM

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ah ok!

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:35 AM

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regal mulch I'm assuming the categories at the bottom are placeholders for WIP stuff?

mhm, we plan to fill them later

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:37 AM

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Excited for this, so I want to help as much as possible. Figured I might work on stuff y'all haven't to make it faster once you get there. lizblueblep

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:38 AM

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oh sure!!

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rn our top priority is getting all the slugcats done

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then we have the chill task of getting the creatures, plants and items done

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:39 AM

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Mhmm, I noticed. And while you guys are focused on that, I thought I'd start think about the lizards since I know them decently.

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Do we have an idea on slugcat health?

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:39 AM

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slugcat health is 12, all other creatures have multiples of that health like ingame

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:40 AM

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An example if you would?

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:40 AM

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since slugcat HP is 1 ingame and a cyan lizard's 1.4

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here, a slugcat's HP is 12, so cyan lizard would be 1.4 * 12

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or 16.8

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which we round up to 17

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:41 AM

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Okay, cool.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:42 AM

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oo and one thing we also need

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more rites / adaptations

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:43 AM

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I saw. I'm unsure what to do for rites. I may work on adaptations.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:44 AM

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rites are basically spells that any slugcat can cast

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which means they should usually be small utilities

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and are themed around spooky karma magic stuff

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:45 AM

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That's about what I understood of it. There's not enough of them for me to understand how I would balance them, but maybe I can come up with some ideas and let you guys balance it.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:46 AM

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yeah sure!

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:46 AM

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I'm pretty good at ideas, not so much with balancing, so that may just be what I do.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:46 AM

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adaptations are just like

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class features i guess

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except you can pick and choose any

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:47 AM

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Pretty much how I understand it.

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I'm going to reread everything once I get some sleep so that it'll be fresh in my head to get brainstorming. I'll only have a few hours to work on it today, but something is better than nothing.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:48 AM

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yeah sure

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i'd say we're about halfway done

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:49 AM

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I'd say more like a third, but yeah, a lot is done already.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:49 AM

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yee

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:50 AM

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With how many creatures there are, there's a lot left to do, and a bit of explanation for what the dm should do to run a campaign is also a very important part we're missing rn.

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But for character creation it's looking wonderful so far.

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Definitely one of the most important parts of any ttrpg.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:52 AM

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regal mulch With how many creatures there are, there's a lot left to do, and a bit of explan...

i mean when it comes to creatures we have a lot less work to do, since the game gives us HP and damage values

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:52 AM

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That's true.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 10:53 AM

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all that needs to be done for each creature is tweak HP and damage, give them stats, a few actions / attacks and then a description of their behaviour for DMs

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:54 AM

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Still a decent about of work if you want every creature in the game. However it does get easier with lizards having a lot of similar values.

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Think I'll brainstorm for adaptations and rites then for now. Fill the looser holes with ideas so you guys can focus on balancing the things you already have ideas on.

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 10:57 AM

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Figured this is the best place to put it. Going to run a Rainworld Risus game tommorow night, just chilling, looking for participants.

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 10:58 AM

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Risus?

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 10:58 AM

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Survivor:
Wit: (1)
Karma: (2)
Attack: (2)
Dodge: (3)
Survival: (2)

Monk:
Karma: (3)
Empathy: (2)
Attack: (1)
Wit: (1)
Dodge: (3)

Hunter:
Wit: (1)
Karma: (1)
Attack: (4)
Dodge: (3)
Grit: (1)* Chance to survive death!

Wanderer:
Wit: (1)
Karma: (2)
Attack: (2)
Dodge: (5)

Rivulet:
Wit: (1)
Karma: (2)
Attack: (2)
Dodge: (4)
Swimming: (1*)

Spearmaster:
Wit: (1)
Karma: (1 or 2)
Attack: (3)
Dodge: (3)
Restraining: (1 or 2)

Saint:
Wit: (1)
Karma: (3)
Empathy: (1)
Acrobatics: (5)

Gourmand:
Wit: (3)
Karma: (2)
Attack: (2)
Dodge: (1)
Girth: (2)

Artificer:
Wit: (2)
Karma: (1)
Attack: (3)*
Dodge: (3)
Artificing: (1)

Gorbo:
Wit: (1)
Attack: (2)
Dodge: (3)
Rot removal: (2)
Gorbing: (2)

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Made a few slugs for it

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lemme grab the pdf

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https://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1411779677549.pdf

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 11:00 AM

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Lot of reading for so little time.

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I don't want to get involved without understanding what I'm doing, and I'm not gonna have the time today, so maybe next time.

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 11:03 AM

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Simplest rpg in the world but kk

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 11:03 AM

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May be simple, but 70 pages and small text. Lots of reading.

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Also I'm tired rn, so I may reassess in the morning.

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 11:04 AM

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its five pages

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page 7-70 is extra rules im not using

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 11:04 AM

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Oh

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Okay

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What time and timezone?

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 11:06 AM

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6 PM MDT

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Tommorow

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so 37 hours from now

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ah shoot

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I have therapy that day

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nevermind

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Okay

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so

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 11:07 AM

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Oof

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 11:07 AM

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37+24 hours from today

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instead

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61 hours from now

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6 PM MDT 28th\

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 11:07 AM

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Okay. I'll figure out what time that is for me and figure out if I'm free. Lol

upbeat temple Jun 26, 2022, 11:08 AM

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Im not using page 6 so its just 1-5

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:35 PM

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Have had no sleep because of unfortunate circumstances, but still brainstorming.

For rites:
A rite that temporarily boosts a stat.
A rite similar to Monk's Mender that requires more blessings to cast.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 2:36 PM

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ooo

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also hope you get some sleep at some point

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 2:36 PM

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I will later. Just gotta suffer a bit longer.

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In the mean time I'll keep thinking.

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Also thought I should mention, unsure if they're place holders or not, but you have the First Strike adaptation in 3 times.

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It's not specified, so I might as well ask. What are recovery dice?

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Also, rite that is basically just weak Saint smite, small unavoidable damage.
And maybe a revive rite for a lot of blessings.

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Given there's a body to revive

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@hushed bane hi

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:02 PM

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regal mulch - ~~rewrite the karma section at the bottom~~ - add a section telling about slot...

im gonna get to work on this soon

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 3:02 PM

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HI

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 3:02 PM

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regal mulch It's not specified, so I might as well ask. What are recovery dice?

you can use them to heal mid-session

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:03 PM

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Hi Autumn.

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 3:03 PM

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regal mulch Also, rite that is basically just weak Saint smite, small unavoidable damage. An...

the first one sounds cool! second one is sorta redundant because permadeath isn't a thing anyway

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:03 PM

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hushed bane you can use them to heal mid-session

That's what I figured, cool.

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Yeah, but maybe to prevent karma loss.

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im gonna ask the easy questions rn

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pronoun wise do we use they, it, or both for slugcats

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Since we're referring to them as the players most likely, I'm going to go with they.

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wait right

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devs use they and it

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:05 PM

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regal mulch Yeah, but maybe to prevent karma loss.

Revive teammate so the party doesn't get wiped and a bunch of karma is lost.

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Karma is an important aspect, so a way for the party to avoid losing it would probably be used frequently.

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also are we going to use "The Slugcat" or "The Slugcat" and "a Slugcat"

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replace slugcat with the species name

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so hunter or survivor instead of slugcat

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 3:32 PM

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also @hushed bane i added a karma section and some more to spearmaster

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not sure if you saw

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 4:45 PM

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regal mulch also are we going to use "The Slugcat" or "The Slugcat" and "a Slugcat"

the slugcat

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 4:45 PM

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regal mulch also <@447340800322306049> i added a karma section and some more to spearmaster

ill check that out soon!

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 4:45 PM

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im rewriting it a bit rn

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i made it a bit too wordy

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i do think this is unecessary though

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wait how much damage does a bite do

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also where does it mention unarmed strike damage

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in character creation ill mention it

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 5:41 PM

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@hushed bane does artis self explosion damage include the bonus to explosive weaponry

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 5:58 PM

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how are we gonna handle creatures needing to make saves

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will we give them full stat blocks?

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with all the stats

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or we can just give them the 5 main stats and make their substats the same

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:11 PM

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regal mulch wait how much damage does a bite do

even better question how does this work on spearmaster

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should we include a part somewhere saying "you cannot choose an adaptation if your character would logically be unable to gain this adaptation"

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 6:41 PM

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regal mulch wait how much damage does a bite do

same as unarmed strike

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 6:41 PM

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regal mulch will we give them full stat blocks?

yeah

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maybe just the 5 main ones and then a few of the substats

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:42 PM

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i say just do just main ones, or all of them

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 6:42 PM

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regal mulch should we include a part somewhere saying "you cannot choose an adaptation if yo...

nah, that should be a given anyway

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:42 PM

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i do have a better idea for the bite

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 6:42 PM

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oh?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:42 PM

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bite isnt affected by unarmed modifiers and its just a new attack you can do

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1d4 + 1 so its stronger than a deafult unarmed strike

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or just 1d6

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oh and should we make it so each adaptation has like

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2 tiers

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and you would need to get the adaptation again to get the second tier or nah

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@hushed bane hows that sound

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im not too sure about the idea but no harm in throwing stuff out there

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 6:53 PM

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regal mulch 2 tiers

nah, too complicated

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maybe we could make it a thing but rn it feels too ambitious

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 6:53 PM

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i dont even like the idea that much anyways

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i do have an idea though

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get like

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10 people to build a level 10 character for each slugcat when we finish

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also im reworking artis first adaptation and idk what to do with it

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it hould have something to do with your self explosions

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@hushed bane why did it even mention giving advantage in the first place for self explosions

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i thought you didnt need to roll for those because they dont deal random damage

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 7:10 PM

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regal mulch it hould have something to do with your self explosions

i thought the mini explosions were self explosions??

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 7:10 PM

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yeah

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i mean the like

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launching yourself part

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@quaint aspen do you want to be able to edit the doc

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 7:18 PM

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regal mulch will we give them full stat blocks?

It's a bit funky, but a suggestion to maybe work off of is how Mouse Guard does it. Each creature is given a score, and that score is their modifier for every role it makes.

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A large snake for example has a Nature(the score) of 12. This means it roles 12 dice for any move it makes.

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I'm not going to explain why so many dice because its dice system is funky too. However to show balancing, mice will typically be rolling between 2-9 dice. A snake is a natural predator of mice so it's a tough opponent to beat, requiring luck and strategy to win instead of brute strength.

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that wouldnt work very well

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something like a say

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lizard

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high chance to kill but very slow

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more importantly

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@hushed bane do we need to change the name of throwing

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it only works for slugcats and acavs

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and creatures will be using it

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Since the creatures of rainworld are more complex, this is true. Was just an example of another game's mechanic for you to contemplaye.

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maybe change finnesse to accuracy and throwing to a new stat

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or just rename throwing

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I think just rename throwing.

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to what

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I'm thinking.

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needs to represent the force behind an attack

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Could be exactly that, force.

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Impact

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The force of the attack landing.

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well that implies a damage increase

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True

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Hmmm

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I'm unsure what to replace it with where it still applies to slugcats similarly, but other creatures can use it too.

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force?

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i mean it kind of makes sense

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for breaking through a creatures defense or dodge

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Yeah, kinda the best thing we have.

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Green lizard be nothing but force. Lol

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 8:11 PM

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@hushed bane is this fine

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 8:48 PM

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i feel like finesse and throwing/force need to be changed

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maybe just throwing stays the same and change finesse

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but then what about weapons you dont throw

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 8:54 PM

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force?

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 8:54 PM

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what about it

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 8:54 PM

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ohhh throwing replacement

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it works but it feels sort of vague

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 8:54 PM

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it does

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but throwing dosent apply to stuff like

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point blank stabs

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with spears its fine but with a like

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homebrew weapon (maybe like a knife) it wouldnt work as well

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especially if itsl ike a homebrew sword

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 8:55 PM

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regal mulch point blank stabs

yeah, that's muscle

hushed bane Jun 26, 2022, 8:55 PM

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regal mulch especially if itsl ike a homebrew sword

and this is muscle too

regal mulch Jun 26, 2022, 8:55 PM

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oh ok

#rw ttrpg thread