rw ttrpg thread

[warped ice]

i mean id personally enjoy it

[magic oasis]

are you sure? i've kind of noticed we don't do a lot of actual food pip/health management

[regal mulch]

we dont because its a bit fucky at times when it comes to moving around a map

im trying to come up with a solution

[magic oasis]

i think food should be a little more neccesary, but not to the point where it becomes obstructive to enjoying the game

[regal mulch]

im thinking after you travel youre down to anything you had in reserve when you left a battlemap

basically while going through a map you can get just enough to survive and nothing more

[magic oasis]

don't think i've seen any rains happen outside of cycles passing on their own

[regal mulch]

problem is lizards are very good food for hunty

[regal mulch]

story hasnt called for it yet

[magic oasis]

fair enough on that

but part of the purpose of rain is to force peeps to eat

if you don't eat, you can't sleep, or become weakened
rain hasn't been there to encourage any foraging-like behavior in the battlemaps

[regal mulch]

well food pips here also have the purpose of being stuff that lets you use your abilities

we are in a very long dungeon crawl so rain might actually be coming up though

[magic oasis]

are food pips then just blessings?

there was that rite i think that just converted blessings to food pips

although i'm unsure if it's still in the doc

[regal mulch]

its gone now

not putting it back

food pip economy is very hard to balance

because sometimes the party dosent share it equally

and then you gotta add more

then everyone has a lot of reserve

[warped ice]

why are species adaps so hard to think of :(

[magic oasis]

for iterators?

simple

give them overseers.

[warped ice]

i was gonna say for lizard [specifically green] but i dont have a clue why i didnt think of overseers

[magic oasis]

oh, green lizards

do you have the doc for that one too to share

i think you could give green lizards their charge attack

[regal mulch]

species adaps are hard

[magic oasis]

since greenies tend to actually use it a lot more than other lizards ingame

[regal mulch]

theyre gonna be much easier for homebrew scugs though

[verbal ferry]

hi autumn

[regal mulch]

hello

[verbal ferry]

how's the snail stats

[warped ice]

thats a base ability they have

[magic oasis]

i can't see the doc so i wouldn't know if you had it listed

[warped ice]

since the greens already got it on the main doc as enemies

i didnt even know any other lizards but green have it lmao

hold on

[magic oasis]

i know all lizards can use a charge attack, it's just that greens and reds are the ones that use it the most

[verbal ferry]

yeah

greens have the highest value of any lizard

[warped ice]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GYxPMPaZJc6TYHGjA0o79I0Ryh9_cJJilAwvP7SvLYI/edit?usp=sharing goobers

[verbal ferry]

i think salamanders or blues or blinds have the lowest

[warped ice]

greenery

[verbal ferry]

pink lizard "lounge" stats

[warped ice]

is it actually listed as lounge in the files oh my god

[verbal ferry]

green lizard "lounge" stats

yes it is lol

[warped ice]

bet someone typed it wrong and didnt realise they were typing it wrong for so long that it was just easier to stick with the typo

[magic oasis]

you could also maybe

steal a few ideas from modded rainworld lizards

[verbal ferry]

idk if i should set snail food pips to 1, 2, or 3

[regal mulch]

ill check when im on my pc

[verbal ferry]

ok

[warped ice]

i havent played with any modded creatures really

[magic oasis]

i have :^)

[verbal ferry]

blues are 1/5th of pinks

[warped ice]

do tell some of the ideas then

[magic oasis]

there's 2 lizards based loosely on greens in mod regions

The waterspitters, and the silver lizards

[verbal ferry]

yellows are basically the same as pinks

huh

[magic oasis]

Waterspitters are heavy lizards, which have a projectile like red lizzies

[verbal ferry]

whites are also the same

[magic oasis]

They spray water at things, to try and knock them off poles (usually into watery mires)

[verbal ferry]

red lizard lounge;

[magic oasis]

waterspitters are able to dive and have good swimspeed

also, they're cute

lemme get a screenshot of one

[verbal ferry]

ok it seems like everything except blues has 0.05

and greens are 1.0

[warped ice]

i think the waterspitter projectile would be good for salamanders perhaps

[magic oasis]

you could also try and get stuff from the MSC caramel lizard

[verbal ferry]

oh, cyans have a lower chance by a bit

also i do have an actual homebrew lizard idea

'tan lizard'

[hushed bane]

caramel lizard?

[verbal ferry]

they are actually really frail and slow compared to most lizards

but they take advantage of this

[hushed bane]

also this is funny because im making a homebrew lizard rn

[verbal ferry]

they pretend to be corpses

[somber plover]

good swimspeed doesnt seem fitting for a big tanky lizard

[verbal ferry]

their main strengths are their camoflague

and absolutely devastating bites

[magic oasis]

@warped ice

[verbal ferry]

their bites are very quick and damaging

but everything else about them is pathetic

[magic oasis]

the game has vanished my arena unlock for waterspitters

[warped ice]

whats MSC

also random adap idea could be like, regular bites also pin rather than just the lunging pounce
or maybe only if the bite has advantage if thats a little too powerful

[magic oasis]

which means i have to go get it, again

SIGH

[verbal ferry]

i mean lizards are alreay nerfed

as is

[magic oasis]

une momento

[warped ice]

is it a good idea then?
no damage increase but pinning is pretty stromnk i think

[verbal ferry]

anyways yeah wagigiging

wait, wha?

damage increase?

[magic oasis]

alrighty got the unlock

[verbal ferry]

ok leech time

time to make leech stats

[warped ice]

idea is like
with the species adap your bite strength has improved so you can pin enemies with the regular bite rather than just the lunging pounce or somethin
but NO damage increase
greens already got a hefty bite as it

[magic oasis]

bot i swear i will show you the waterspitters and their cute little whiskers

[warped ice]

i must see

i HAVE to see

[regal mulch]

i need to make dll and bll stats for well uh

obvious reasons

[magic oasis]

they use the green lizard's alligator walk

[verbal ferry]

oh

well im gonna work on making

random insect stats for the time being

[hushed bane]

once im done with a few more of these homebrew plants ill work on the plants in the doc

[verbal ferry]

we trol

[magic oasis]

their water attack @warped ice

[hushed bane]

oh btw to get the HP

multiply the creature's ingame HP by 12

[verbal ferry]

they have 0.2 hp

it's so insignificant i'd say

[warped ice]

portable hydration

[verbal ferry]

they shouldn't really have much hp

[warped ice]

one health

[magic oasis]

could be stolen and used on the salas, or kept on greenies

[verbal ferry]

oh hm

2

since batflies have 2 as well

[warped ice]

putting them on salamanders

[hushed bane]

wait is this MSC?

[magic oasis]

no

[warped ice]

hey can someone calculate the average of 2d8+2

[magic oasis]

they're included with lush mire

[hushed bane]

ah

[verbal ferry]

autumn

[magic oasis]

expected value of 1d8 = 4 average

[verbal ferry]

can you please give wagigas editing

[magic oasis]

4+4+2

10

[verbal ferry]

im fixing like half of the creature statssss

[warped ice]

10 average alright

[verbal ferry]

uhh

4.5 + 4.5

+2

however you have to take into account

not all checks will suceed!

if it's damage, you have to take into account the chance of missing

(i usually just take a conservative estimate by cutting it in half)

(makes math easy but still somewhat accurate)

[magic oasis]

@warped ice and this one's the silver
they're huge, like red lizards
Can't climb poles though, can't spit
But they have extremely fast charges

[warped ice]

quick typin

could get a better name idk

[warped ice]

what mod is this again
i need to pick this up

[magic oasis]

silver lizards are included with undersea

i have 7 modded lizards in my arena

[warped ice]

id try install some custom regions but like
fizzy fucked her game up while trying to install a ton to make the best expedition open world possible and im afraid ill do the same

[warped ice]

specifically what gives the arena

[magic oasis]

testing arenas

you can find it in CRS

[warped ice]

i dont know these acronyms oh god

[verbal ferry]

jesus christ why does google want me to use british english

s t o p

[magic oasis]

custom region support mod

[warped ice]

radicool

installing that rn

[warped ice]

anyway this seem good?
since green doesnt have much aside from the bite, might aswell focus on making that bite even better

[magic oasis]

make sure you know what you're doing with mods

anywho
I think we could incorporate the silver lizard's supercharge into green lizard species adapts

[verbal ferry]

wtf

[warped ice]

so one adap to improve the bite and one to improve the charge

sounds gud

[verbal ferry]

why the hell is google autocorrecting things as if im british

???

[warped ice]

THERES A RIDEABLE LIZARD MOD
WHY DID I NOT GET THIS

[magic oasis]

local green lizard learns to gallop

[somber plover]

give in

[verbal ferry]

no

[somber plover]

become british innit

[verbal ferry]

im irish though

[magic oasis]

holy shit

BILL

[somber plover]

join the dark side

[magic oasis]

THE IRONY

[verbal ferry]

no

indeed

[somber plover]

you can jump with cyans (and change which lizards can jump)

[warped ice]

neato

i dont know how to tame any but pinks sadly

[magic oasis]

oh yeah, stealing adapt ideas from other lizards

[warped ice]

got a rough idea of how?
would it be like, the charge is alot faster and more damaging?
or something else

[magic oasis]

the charge can connect from a longer distance, and can be used to make leaps normally impossible for green lizards

specifics on how the charge is done? THICCer leg muscles

[verbal ferry]

jesus christ why do i keep disconnecting

[magic oasis]

you might've noticed the silver here has giant leggies

[warped ice]

hmmm how to word it...

[verbal ferry]

UUUUUGH

i cant hhhhh

[warped ice]

i despise leeches so much

they're the reason i dont like

any of the watery areas

[verbal ferry]

why is google so fucking laggy jesus christ

it keeps crashing every 5 minutes

im gonna go take a shoer

[somber plover]

just get better at living

[warped ice]

outskirts expansion ‼️
second favourite area

[somber plover]

oh yea that mod is cool

it fits with the rest of outskirts pretty good

[warped ice]

i feel like im about to download the hardest stuff imaginable

[verbal ferry]

well im gonna get off

and then when i come back i will do more bug stats

because SOMEBODY has to do them

[magic oasis]

Sprinter legs
Enhanced muscles in the limbs allow the normally slow and awkward green lizard charge to become truly speedy for just a moment. Allows for closing the distance on prey, or to lunge across greater distances than before. The strain this puts on the limbs however mean this can be an exhaustive technique.
You no longer need to spend one action preparing a charge, and may instead lunge immediately at the cost of 3 food pips. Cannot be performed while in any starving state. Not consuming food pips will perform a normal charge, requiring use of a windup. While using this lunge, you may travel [X] tiles before attacking, and you may also use this to lunge over greater distances if you do not attack.
@warped ice

[warped ice]

RADICOOL YES THANK YOU
also whats the region that adds the funky waterspitters

[magic oasis]

lush mire

you can install regions directly from CRS ingame

just remember that

[warped ice]

thats what im doing rn

[warped ice]

wait whats the X for

[magic oasis]

placeholder

[warped ice]

alrighty then
idk what the distance should be though since
i dont track tiles or anything

[magic oasis]

i do(n't)

[warped ice]

that emoji is rancid

[magic oasis]

it depends on how far slugcats can cross normally

[warped ice]

wait for autumn to get on to find out?

[magic oasis]

i suppose so

also the reason all the abilities i've designed have so much weirdo small stuff is that i like having adaptations with lotsa versatility

The hunter jaws adaptation idea had a lot of smaller stuff because it helps it be more generally useful and stand out in those areas

not always going to be in combat, so having something with utility outside of it? helps with depth

[warped ice]

man i wish i could search in just the thread and not the channel too

whats the utility it gave
also can you reply to it i cant find it

[magic oasis]

can be used for more than just damage
crippling opponents, biting into bone (for extra food pips on marrow)

crafting

didn't end up getting used though

[warped ice]

still another species adap open for hunter who knows

also added a bit extra to greenie bite

[regal mulch]

we dont use tiles

we just use "yeah you can make it there you good"

[warped ice]

so just
"may travel a significantly further distance before attacking" instead of "travel [X] tiles before attacking"?

works for me

and with that
id say the greenies are done

[magic oasis]

greenies can either get a massive chat underbite

[warped ice]

could someone uh
read over it just to make sure its all g before i start on the next one, presumably pinks idk

[magic oasis]

or do leg day

[warped ice]

exactly

[warped ice]

wagoogus

[magic oasis]

it is

it's big

though i think health for pole movement is weird

[warped ice]

i didnt know how else to exhaust em

[magic oasis]

is it like

[warped ice]

what would work better

[magic oasis]

you can climb poles just fine, but trying to do anything on them hurts?

[warped ice]

probably?
now that i think it through it doesnt make sense
my idea is like, adult greenies cant climb poles but being unable to climb poles would make literally nobody want to play greenies
so juveniles would be able to climb though not too good, but im not sure how to make that actually uh
exist

[magic oasis]

must use all 4 limbs to climb poles, due to lacking the more dextrous clingy hands of other lizards

[warped ice]

that makes more sense yea

[regal mulch]

time to work on stuff

[warped ice]

lemme update that

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane

what slogcat first

[warped ice]

also should greenies not be able to attack on poles either
since they wouldnt be as dextrous to stay on there when they're throwing their energy into violins

[regal mulch]

yeah

[hushed bane]

hold on ill get back to you in a sec

was installing region mods and my computer lost power for a second so im gonna check if my game is irreparably damaged or not

[warped ice]

ok updated the greenie
i think its in finished state

which one to do next...

[hushed bane]

oh thank god

now i just need to pray that my computer doesn't shut down again

[hushed bane]

pink

[magic oasis]

i'm imagining a green lizard just like

lightly swatting at something while desperately clinging to a pole

1 (emotional) damage

[somber plover]

poor lizar

1(one) mental damage

[warped ice]

+1 sadness

[hushed bane]

I love how as soon as I finish typing that it Does

[warped ice]

have you cleaned your computer recently
like of dust n stuff

also is it on something that might stop it from ventilating properly, like carpet

also be sure the power cable is plugged in properly, if its lose that might be causing the problem

[regal mulch]

you have to take me out of your computer

im biting on the cables

[magic oasis]

that's bad cable management

pull them out.

pull them out.

pull them out.

pull them out.

[warped ice]

oh my god i just installed the sharpener mod
my eyes have been opened finally

[somber plover]

little computer goblin

[magic oasis]

i wonder if salamanders would be able to just snatch teammates and swim through huge sections

[somber plover]

scrunching on your wires

[warped ice]

adap or base trait?

[magic oasis]

base trait

you will receive your salamander hug

and you will be transported to the other side of an underwater tunnel

[warped ice]

gonna start on the pink goobers shortly

what soemthing unique about em

[regal mulch]

nothing

[warped ice]

are they the survivor of lizards

basic bitches

[regal mulch]

yeah

[warped ice]

i will grant execution at gunpoint if you play them

[somber plover]

they are just green but less chonky

i will play a pink out of spite

[magic oasis]

they're literally the basicest bitch

[warped ice]

you will be boiled

[somber plover]

somehow less interesting than greens

greens are chunky pinks are basic

[warped ice]

greens are atleast the juggernauts of lizards

slow and chonky and hitting hard

[somber plover]

other than reds ofc

[warped ice]

i never realised how often the greens kill until i started playing hunter in expedition and actually fighting lizards on the regular
surviving like, 4 or 5 bites in a row and living to survive the cycle was an experience i was not ready for

[warped ice]

ofc but reds arent gonna be playable

no in character reason a red would join a party, no way to balance them to not be the best of all of the lizards

etc

how much health should a pink have
somewhere like
18 or so?

[regal mulch]

yeah

[magic oasis]

0 agility bonus since they aren't greens

+1 muscle and resistance

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane is your pc alive now

[warped ice]

just a -1 to comprehension perhaps
since pink isnt really gonna have much standing out so no point penalizing their stats significantly

bruh wtf am i supposed to do for the traits and adaps these bitches are so basic they have NOTHING to work with

[magic oasis]

lmao

There aren't even any modded lizards you could base them on

fun fact

pinks have sharper senses than most other lizards (with some obvious exceptions)

they have better hearing and vision overall

[warped ice]

ooo really?

ok thas something atleast

what if like
it could get a spiky body or something

as an adap

[magic oasis]

nevermind

they really are just basic bitches

[warped ice]

dang i was gonna give em +1 perception

[magic oasis]

well, we should really throw them at least one bone

[warped ice]

ill give the perception anyway

could just uh
nab the survivor's survival instincts thing and reflavor it a bit

[magic oasis]

alternatively

just don't let people pick pink lizards

they are now BANNED FOREVER

[warped ice]

i will be kept up at night if i dont do [almost] every type of lizard

[magic oasis]

well now you have to do modded lizards

:)

[warped ice]

not modded ones

[magic oasis]

:)
:(

[warped ice]

those are other people's creations id ask them before i tried adding them in

vanilla stuff is free game for all i care

i think ill uh

skip out on the pinks for now

and work on em later

blues

[magic oasis]

tiny little fellas

[warped ice]

i need a good placeholder image for them before i go find a good one

[somber plover]

this proves that greens are objectively the best

[warped ice]

+2 to agility for blues?

or +1

[magic oasis]

maybe

[warped ice]

also +1 finesse woah

also maybe +1 grip because
climbey fellas

actually +2 because speedy climbey fellas

15 health
only 3 more than a sluggo

[regal mulch]

14

[verbal ferry]

only problem

with greens being "the fastest"

their walk cycle

that and they're lazy

and bad at seeing things

[warped ice]

ok 14 it is
puts them at the hearty level of a sluggo

[verbal ferry]

yea

also hi autumn

[regal mulch]

im gonna play risk of rain ping me if fizzy appears

[warped ice]

unlikely

[verbal ferry]

i wagigigged

[regal mulch]

fizzy ocurrance soon

[warped ice]

™️

[regal mulch]

Foxy appearance.

real

[warped ice]

[regal mulch]

[warped ice]

surprise foxy

[regal mulch]

Grapecat tasty

[verbal ferry]

gone

[warped ice]

grapes are so good...

might go get some
energy for making lizard traits

[verbal ferry]

wow thanks google for not letting me do shit on the document :)

[regal mulch]

Liz go brrrr

[warped ice]

indeed they do
except for the pinks we literally cant think of anything to give them for traits or adaps

[verbal ferry]

mfw 'your access to this document has changed'

[warped ice]

the pinks are so fucking BASIC OH MY GOD

[verbal ferry]

omg omg omg omg omg woaaaah crazy

[verbal ferry]

bite accuracy

[warped ice]

wdym

[verbal ferry]

their bites are really fucking accurate

[regal mulch]

Advantage on melee bites

Nom nom

[warped ice]

that is one positive trait
need a negative one too

[magic oasis]

i mean

[regal mulch]

Hmmmm

[magic oasis]

the third degree pyro axe is a direct upgrade to stock

[verbal ferry]

versus green

literally over double bite homing

[magic oasis]

but it has so few redeeming qualities that it's still terrible

:)

[verbal ferry]

still more bite homing than blues

[magic oasis]

surely not more than reds though

right?

[verbal ferry]

yeah obviously not

but you see what i mean

[warped ice]

obv

[verbal ferry]

yellow lizards are obviously atrocious

[regal mulch]

Look, we're not trying to make it 100% accurate to game, we're trying to make it interesting. Lmao

[verbal ferry]

coping mechanism

[warped ice]

yellow lizards are gonna be fun since im giving them telepathy to the whole party, whether or not they're also lizards

[magic oasis]

spearmasters rejoice

[warped ice]

also might make them a bit stealthier
not as much as a nightcat or a white lizard but still a decent bit since flanking n stuff

[magic oasis]

except me because that means i have to write dialogue

[verbal ferry]

though yellows should probably have a penalty to biting and stuff tbh

because holy fuck they are bad at it

[regal mulch]

Giv pinks super speed on poles instead of bite accuracy if you wanna be picky

[warped ice]

what if like

[magic oasis]

give yellow lizards 5e pack tactics

[verbal ferry]

why not both pole speed and bite accuracy

[warped ice]

yellow lizards have disadvantage on biting an enemy
UNLESS an ally is near the enemy too, or if the enemy has disadvantage on their reaction [like if they were pinned]

then its normal roll

[magic oasis]

yellow lizards may also use their allies as extra eyes and ears

and vice versa

[warped ice]

OO YE

maybe that'd be an adaptation though

since having 5 sets of senses could be kinda powerful

maybe that could apply but needs an adap to apply across rooms? because distance stuff, and walls muffling the effect of telepathy

[magic oasis]

orange lizards i think would definitely have higher than normal intelligence stats

[warped ice]

absolutely

[magic oasis]

or at least higher persuasion related stats

[regal mulch]

Simply to advan if a party member is attacking the same enemy. That way it isn't as complicated.

[warped ice]

nerd lizards

[magic oasis]

the orange lizard juvenile going towards a pack of 5 orange lizards to negotiate a deal to let their friends through (they'll come back with squidcada bodies)

[warped ice]

pray that the pack doesnt just take the juvie as one of their own

roll a new character

[magic oasis]

me when

host

[verbal ferry]

nana

yellow lizards often abandon packs when tamed

[warped ice]

also because pinks have advantage on any bites im also restricting their bite to 2d6+2 rather than +muscle like everyone else

[verbal ferry]

i feel like they should require uhh

blessings to do it

they can convert blessings to accuracy

[warped ice]

maybe they can expend food pips to give advantage on attacks? sorta like survivor but only with attacking

either that or with the advantage on all bites, your next action has disadvantage if you miss to balance it out sorta

actaully ill go with food pips probably

4 pips?

since advantage is pretty rad

[verbal ferry]

adding wormgrass stats

how much hp should it have lol

[warped ice]

actually i think ill go with 6 pips and set the bite back to +muscle

[magic oasis]

two billion.

(no health value)

[verbal ferry]

im just gonna put ??? for now

[magic oasis]

worm grass is a hazard, not an enemy

[verbal ferry]

mm fair

ill have it be 12 so it is killable

but just give all physical damage disadvantage

anything other than aoes

hgh

brb

[warped ice]

pinks get advantage on attacks from above perhaps

since they're gonna be speedier on pole stoo

poles too*

[magic oasis]

pinkzards

https://tenor.com/view/icarly-fall-down-faceplant-fall-falling-down-gif-17810175

[warped ice]

YEAH THATS LITERALLY IT

THEY GET ADVANTAGE IF THEY'RE ATTACKING FROM ABOVE

whether it be like

higher on a slope or by falling from a pole at them

whats a good negative tho

having alot of ways to get advantage on attacks is pretty spicy

should it be the idea of disadvantage on their next action if they miss an attack?

since if you miss with so many chances for advantage then thats a major skill issue

adaps,,,

what could work for pinks

[magic oasis]

make use of their tail

[warped ice]

slashy tail

stick a sword onto it

boom adap

[magic oasis]

glavenus!!!

[regal mulch]

Every worm grass has 1hp, but you can only stab one worm at a time.

So the patch has equivalent hp to the amount of worms in the patch

[warped ice]

ok but like
spike tail tho? that could be sick tbh
either that or they can get body slam from an adap

[regal mulch]

Red worm grass has 6hp per worm.

[warped ice]

radicool tail or this
those will be the two adap choices

[regal mulch]

Why are we giving pink a stabby tail?

[warped ice]

because pink needs something cool

what else are we gonna do for adaps

[regal mulch]

And body slam would be better for green\

Cause bulky like gourm

[warped ice]

green already has adaps

[regal mulch]

Gotcha

[warped ice]

but like
pink lizard dive bomb

[regal mulch]

I think pink should focus speed. They're obviously not the fastest, but of your basic boyos they are.

[warped ice]

oo maybe instead of slashy tail it could just be a strengthened one with more control over it? like it can be a bludgeoning weapon but also another slot for an item
give pinks a big bone and let em throw spears with their tail

[verbal ferry]

ok im back

[regal mulch]

Prehensile liz tail

[verbal ferry]

wormgrass time :)

[regal mulch]

^

[verbal ferry]

ah right lol

how much muscle should they have

[regal mulch]

Uhm

[verbal ferry]

im gonna do 2

[regal mulch]

Ye, and red should have 5

Red wormgrass is basically just instant death

[verbal ferry]

mhm

ill give red wormgrass 5 hp each

for trolling

[warped ice]

pink's adaps should be pretty versatile i think

prehensile tail is gud but what could the other be

[verbal ferry]

should wormgrass do damage and or drain stats

[magic oasis]

what if we gave them a roar

or at least some intimidation ability

pink lizzies have a lot of voice clips

[warped ice]

ooo ye that could be rad

could have a multitude of effects

intimidation
could stun an enemy from acting and disadvantage their reaction from the scare
making noise is a good bait too

[verbal ferry]

guys

what should wormgrass do

mechanically speaking

[warped ice]

damage every action you spend constricted by it

[magic oasis]

force you to roll 500 strength throws

[verbal ferry]

ok

1d4 sounds reasonable

[magic oasis]

more serious terms
you roll a strength saving throw each turn you are inside worm grass
if you fail, 1d4 damage
if you succeed, 1 damage

[warped ice]

part of me also wants to make picking the roar adap give you rad pink frills like the frilled-neck lizard

because its rad

[magic oasis]

as a resident frill haver i agree with this decision

[verbal ferry]

maybe 1d6

but idk

probably not

[magic oasis]

wha

why does worm grass have knowledge

[verbal ferry]

vision

[magic oasis]

i wish we could apply N/A to stats

[verbal ferry]

haha

i mean its faster to just say 0

and plus you CAN ambush wormgrass technically

[regal mulch]

-5 is a modifer you can use yknow right

also

you realize your putting the + and - on the wrong side right

[verbal ferry]

damn

[warped ice]

i cant believe it

[regal mulch]

also you dont need to clarify non green lizard creature

[warped ice]

we gave pink neat adaps

[regal mulch]

green lizard has worm grass immunity

[warped ice]

i somehow remembered that when i made this doc

[verbal ferry]

gah

[regal mulch]

dont worry too much about making everything styled perfectly ill be fixing it later so the doc is consistent

[verbal ferry]

well idk what gif to use for red wormgrass

probably the one of it eating the scug

[warped ice]

ok having advantage just for being higher up seems too powerful
maybe you can add like, finesse to the roll aswell? idk

[verbal ferry]

bot

[warped ice]

wa

[verbal ferry]

i think having it use blessings is more reasonable

its less complicated and gives a resource

[warped ice]

oke

how many blessings

[magic oasis]

n/a stat that makes any creature using that stat automatically fail

[verbal ferry]

probably like 2

or somethin

[magic oasis]

that way we for sure don't have any situations where wormgrass rolls double 6es

[verbal ferry]

could just have it get like

1 blessing per +2

and while yeah you could spend all of your blessings on one roll

why, would you do that?

[warped ice]

i cant believe it
pinks are complete and arent boring as fuck

[verbal ferry]

i got the gif for red wormgrass

it doesnt stylistically fit but whatever the fuck

[magic oasis]

i think about the white wormgrass sometimes

[verbal ferry]

humor

[magic oasis]

i have to go piss but i'm listening to RoR2 "They might as well be dead" at the drop, so i can't go until it's done

[verbal ferry]

grass

what else should i do

[magic oasis]

make the proto dlls

[verbal ferry]

those dont have stats

ill do blls

[warped ice]

blue lizard time

im progressing these faster than i thought

[somber plover]

can someone help me with character creation?

[regal mulch]

sure

[verbal ferry]

hey autumn

can i use N/A

[regal mulch]

no

[verbal ferry]

for knowledge

[regal mulch]

use -5

[verbal ferry]

damn

[somber plover]

in vc?

[regal mulch]

ok yeah i will elt me just finish this stage

[somber plover]

👍

[verbal ferry]

how many limbs should a brother long legs have

[somber plover]

they have like 6 right

[verbal ferry]

its randomized

my idea is you have to make checks to avoid having spears just hit tentacles lol

mm. . .

[warped ice]

do like uh
1d6+3 or something when the BLL is encountered
so a minimum of 4 and a maximum of 9

[verbal ferry]

okok

[warped ice]

also i need blue lizard adaps and then they're done

[and an image but that can wait]

ideas, mi amigos?

[verbal ferry]

i mean

blues have okay-ish vision

body slam

okay intelligence

and they're very light on their feet

they walk with such fucking elegance for a dumb stupid repitle baby

[somber plover]

clime on walls and small tongue that can grab items

[warped ice]

the body slam should be an adap maybe
since they already have wall and ceiling climbing and their tongue by default

[somber plover]

wall clime would be a base thing tho probably

[verbal ferry]

i might give brother long legs only 100 health

to compensate for the tentacles lol

[warped ice]

those are their traits
like their default stuff
species adaptations are the stronger bonuses you can get from levelling up to level 3, you can only pick one though

[regal mulch]

DLL and BLL ill do myself

i have an idea for how they work

[verbal ferry]

oh ok

crying

[magic oasis]

wallclimb definitely should be innate to the species

[warped ice]

it is

[verbal ferry]

il l remove the abilities i made

[warped ice]

the tongue is too

[magic oasis]

good

maybe the juvenile blues don't have item snatching, but as an adapt their tongue gets longer and a little more dextrous

[verbal ferry]

they should probably have item snatching

[warped ice]

what if

[verbal ferry]

gives them an edge over white lizards

[warped ice]

longer and stronger tongue from adap

that lets them carry the homies

climb them across big gaps

[verbal ferry]

prehensile tongue that can go around walls

[magic oasis]

stronger cling pads + stronger tongue

so they can anchor themselves and swing others easily

[verbal ferry]

we do a little trolling

[warped ice]

should that be one adap for both of those features

[verbal ferry]

nah

lol

[warped ice]

ah ok

[verbal ferry]

gives a reason to take prehensile

[warped ice]

gotta keep balance

[verbal ferry]

yea

[magic oasis]

autumn is not going to bother marking every single tile with whether or not they're climbable because that would take a while

[warped ice]

i know

its like
"hey dm can i climb on the wall in this room"
"sure"

[magic oasis]

it's almost certainly going to be a yes every time

[warped ice]

not when the party
gasp
goes outside

[verbal ferry]

oh yeah i got a really scary idea for a region

so

the idea

[magic oasis]

we haven't gone outside for any battlemap

[verbal ferry]

some random ancient thought it would be really funny if they made a fuck ton of oil

and called it void fluid, and then sold it to people

[warped ice]

OIL

[verbal ferry]

he made an entire oil plant

fucking massive

bribed people or whatever to not sue him idk

ok so

now that it has been very long time

[warped ice]

just realised i never actually added the lizard's armored head to the base stats at the top

[verbal ferry]

this place is filled with oil, and it's like a big mountain

soso the thing is

the oil lit on fire somehow

it's a giant mountainous powerplant filled with burning oil 24/7

no water at all in it

since, you know, it all evaporated

but there is still threat from the rain

because water builds up below and forces the oil upwards

incinerating anything

[verbal ferry]

exactly

[magic oasis]

you can't use water to extinguish an oil fire anyways

[verbal ferry]

oh yeah lo

well im fuckin

done editing creatures today

i've done enough.

[warped ice]

bluezards done

[verbal ferry]

sweeeet

[warped ice]

need a good image then ill move onto

whatever is next

[magic oasis]

check this out.

[verbal ferry]

hmm

[magic oasis]

bluey on the title screen

[warped ice]

creacher

[magic oasis]

actually no

that's a pinky

it's just in the shade

[warped ice]

found a good image

[verbal ferry]

i genuinely cannot keep making creatures

my hands hurt

[magic oasis]

perform an exercise

[verbal ferry]

keep me off for now lol

[magic oasis]

a different one

[verbal ferry]

im gonna go swim

[magic oasis]

goodbye

[warped ice]

added imag

[magic oasis]

i hope you float well

[verbal ferry]

img

[magic oasis]

bluey

[warped ice]

yus

what lizard next

[magic oasis]

i think you should add something to the blue lizard

you forgot

they're also perfect hugging size /j

[hushed bane]

hug

*guh

[warped ice]

TRUE

hold on

[hushed bane]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-cat-gif-22906544

[magic oasis]

[warped ice]

oke what lizard next

[magic oasis]

hmmm

well

[warped ice]

im not taking a break until we have another pink situation and have NO ideas

[magic oasis]

we have
green pink blue white mole yellow sallies cyans

[warped ice]

white lizards?

hell yeah

[magic oasis]

zonkerdoodles

[warped ice]

nightcats and white lizards gonna be homies

[magic oasis]

also always remember

i can help revise if you're not sure about the wording of stuff

i just need the topics to paraphrase

[warped ice]

alrighty

quick question fregi are you on the doc rn

because i do see someone but it doesnt show who

[magic oasis]

yes

that is me.

[warped ice]

alrighty then

just wanted to know

white lizards get a +2 to stealth by default ofc

[magic oasis]

ye

white lizards aren't too lethal iirc

2/7 chance of lethality

so... roughly....
25%-33% bite chance

[warped ice]

ill take a part of how they are on the enemy doc

decently low damage on bite but increased if the enemy is caught by tongue

[magic oasis]

monch

[warped ice]

fun thing that white lizards can do
with their camo, since it's changing their body color they can use it to camo their allies if they hide behind them aswell

[magic oasis]

you must hug the zonkerdoodle to survive

[warped ice]

thats the nickname for white lizards?

zonkerdoodles?

also giving them -2 resistance purely because of that one time i oneshot one with a spear in the mouth by accident while rearranging my hands

[magic oasis]

yes

zonkerdoodl...

https://tenor.com/view/zonkerdoodle-rain-world-zonkerdoodle-rotate-white-lizard-zonker-gif-26179145

[warped ice]

zonkerdoodle :)

[magic oasis]

i don't think you need to redo the wallclimbing

[warped ice]

FUCK

i didnt realise what i was writing over lmao

[magic oasis]

if you give me the ability to edit the doc i can add it back

[warped ice]

nah dw i can just copy it

not giving zonkerdoodles the anchor ability of blues 😈

hmmm second adap

prehensile tongue isnt needed since zonkerdoodle already got a strong tongue

maybe moving in camouflage? and grabbing with tongue doesnt reveal you but still costs pips to do

[magic oasis]

reading

i was reheating spaghetti

camouflage expert has nothing to do with camo

[warped ice]

because i havent finished writing it

[magic oasis]

i think white lizards should be better at camo than nightcats tbh

food pip cost is a bit harsh for what's pretty much going to be a passive ability

zonks will camo ingame even if they're in a shelter, the only trigger is standing still

[warped ice]

ooo ok

[magic oasis]

oh yeah uhhh

i'd tell you some modded lizard adap ideas, but...

[warped ice]

keeping a lower food pip cost for doing actions in the stelth mode

[magic oasis]

the only modded lizards that use camo are reaper lizards from moonlight acres

and the hunter seekers from scorched district

reapers disguise ||as pumpkins||

hunter seekers are a crossbreed between a white lizard and a cyan

[warped ice]

so you can grab with tongue but biting still ends stealth

[magic oasis]

that makes sense

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/385548182102212608/922650808112250880/yam_man.gif

fun fact, white lizards for some reason are terrible at biting hazers

[warped ice]

i was gonna say if i should use that gif for the white lizard but

nevermind

i cant find a good image :(

oo this miht be cool

this?

from a reddit post

[magic oasis]

perhaps

make sure to credit

[warped ice]

i am

[verbal ferry]

wagigas has returned

[warped ice]

u/Norgad btw

[magic oasis]

hi bill

[warped ice]

lemme cut the background out first

[verbal ferry]

also nuhuh

it sholdnt start with prehensile

prehensile =/= strong

[warped ice]

oh right

uhhhhh

whats good term

[verbal ferry]

just 'strong'

[warped ice]

there we go

also zonkerdoodle complete

[verbal ferry]

cool

is blind liz and salamander include

[warped ice]

havent done yet

no idea how im gonna do blind liz but salamander defo

whats next on the list then?

[verbal ferry]

probably yellow

[warped ice]

HELL yes

i wanted to do yellows so bad

[magic oasis]

yellers

[warped ice]

should i just readd the goobers gif from the start

also if you see someone join its just a friend im showing the doc

[magic oasis]

goobers

[warped ice]

low damage bite uhhhh
2d3+muscle?

[verbal ferry]

2d3

wtfff . . .

rreal

[regal mulch]

2d3 EVIL

[warped ice]

FIXED

need a good negative trait for yellow lizards

they got the telepathy which is pretty strong but

need a bad thing

[verbal ferry]

slow reaction times idk

[magic oasis]

what if orange lizards think out loud sometimes

like they're terrible at keeping secrets (since they're used to being in a pack, secrets don't exist)

[verbal ferry]

making will saves

would encourage actually utilizing will

[magic oasis]

making will saves to not spoil the party's ambush

[warped ice]

so like
they can accidentally send messages to enemies without intending to if they fail a will check?

sound gud hold on

[verbal ferry]

should probably be pretty low though

[magic oasis]

yep

[warped ice]

wait i could just add that to the telepathy trait too and still have space for a negative trait

[magic oasis]

also

yellow lizards ingame do have one negative trait associated with telepathy directly

or, well

two

Take out the yellow with the biggest antennae and they all freak out/lose coordination

Vulture masks affect all yellow lizards at once

[warped ice]

issue

that wouldnt really affect anything when theres only one yellow lizard

[verbal ferry]

i feel like timing

could work

slow reaction times

[magic oasis]

that too

[verbal ferry]

maybe you just dont get reactions

[warped ice]

oh god

[magic oasis]

eeeehhhh

[warped ice]

no thats too excessive

[verbal ferry]

or reactions are made with disadvantage

[magic oasis]

reactions are kind of a pivotal mechanic

[warped ice]

maybe disadvantage on reactions if they're alone

[magic oasis]

let's not

[warped ice]

like if they're close to allies then they're fine but if they're even just a decent range away they get disadvantages

ALSO getting hit on the head should give them disadvantage on their next action because

head is where antennae are

that'd confuse em

yeah im gonna add that

[magic oasis]

easily frightened lone yellow lizards

[warped ice]

two negative traits time

[magic oasis]

as a secret debuff, if you are ever convinced you're in a pack of 0 lizards, reality breaks down

[verbal ferry]

could also just

give communicating a food use

idk lol

[warped ice]

why

its fine as is

[verbal ferry]

i mean would only be

one debuff

[magic oasis]

we don't really need the food debuff

i feel like it'd disincentivise a lot of cool stuff, like maybe using the orange lizard as a modem or router for everyone to communicate lmao

[verbal ferry]

oh lol

fair

[warped ice]

ooo that could be a neat adap

[magic oasis]

Friend!
:)
Yup.

Run!
Rain...
Food!

[warped ice]

yellow also being a relay that allows people to communicate through it

[magic oasis]

you may also only speak in character using ||concealed garden plasticization lizard quotes||

[warped ice]

evil

to balance the adaps being rad

[magic oasis]

do not leave the boyo alone

[verbal ferry]

ohohoh

[warped ice]

should i go with that relay idea? and also improve it so it means if the yellow takes the relay adap then the whole party can communicate telepathically with each other freely rather than just yellow talking

[magic oasis]

ye

though that's a really, really powerful ability

[warped ice]

exactly

thats why yellows are weak without their allies

[magic oasis]

even without the relay adap, the yellow could do a beta version of it lmao

manually listen and then send each thought to everyone

just a poor orange lizard on the ground trying to keep up with a huge conversation without the adaptation

[warped ice]

they get disadvantage on EVERYTHING if they're not with their group, have hardly more health than a sluggo, and im changing dazed and confused even more to incentivize staying with your group and not throwing yourself into unnescessary danger

[magic oasis]

this is going to be so busted lmao

[warped ice]

hohoho i like pack tactics now

gimme a sec

[magic oasis]

yellows are getting favoritism from all of us

[warped ice]

stay

with your group

or suffer

dazed and confused is a very big downside

[magic oasis]

back when i still was able to play DnD sessions

our warlock had message and would use it constantly with everyone else

we basically had orange lizard pack tactics, which explained how we were able to do planning in the middle of combat

it was fun

[warped ice]

hold on who do i have left after yellow

[magic oasis]

sallies and cyans

need help wording info relay?

[warped ice]

nah i just wasnt tabbed in and typing it lmao

should i make it give advantage on forcing a message with the will check aswell
or is group telepathy strong enough as is

[magic oasis]

that's strong enough as is

[warped ice]

okey

wait with the extra add on
friendly creatures outside of your party = creatures that are passive to you
like the slugcats in the outpost would be friendly but not party and can communicate to you, but you'd be able to talk to them with the adap

big typing ayo

[magic oasis]

Communications relay
Larger and more sensitive antennae allow you to act as as a relay for the thoughts of other creatures. With some assistance from you (and not much mental tax), your allies are now capable of using you to communicate with eachother. Larger antennae also allow you to intrude the minds of creatures that are already receptive to your presence.
All nearby party members gain the ability to use your antennae to relay thoughts and ideas as a free action, so long as you are alive and conscious. You are also able to communicate freely with non-party friendly creatures without using a will check. As the intermediary, you essentially have administrative privilege over who is allowed to use this network.

[warped ice]

hell yeah thanks

[magic oasis]

saying it's a free action may be a little risky... but i think it'll make for a lot of interesting opportunities

[warped ice]

i mean it makes sense

its literally just thinking

sharing thoughts directly to each other

salamander time

[magic oasis]

the alive and conscious bit is... well, pretty obvious

i think even if you're knocked out though it'd be pretty funny if thoughts are still received as little orange lizzy dreams

[warped ice]

orange lizzys are the only lizards that can actually communicate with non lizards

[magic oasis]

the language of thoughts and pure meaning is powerful

[warped ice]

because like

all the others just make lizard noises which other lizards understand

but while its probably like

broken

as in broken language

orange can share thoughts to others yknow

[magic oasis]

if i ever have to make a new character after pine

i'm totally gonna choose a comms array orange lmoa

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975021793368735764/1015798288550723685/ezgif-6-d4590832f985.gif

[warped ice]

i actually dont know anything about the salamanders so im going entirely off of the doc

[magic oasis]

salamanders are amphibious "lizards"

they can't drown, and are the only lizards that can dive
ingame, they're... one of the slowest swimmers????

which i think is kind of stupid

[verbal ferry]

uuugh

[magic oasis]

tbh i'd say the salamanders are easier to deal with in the water than non salamanders

because they dive

[warped ice]

ill make them speedy in the water

and also cant drown

ever

since it'd take so long that it'd never come up

stats are hard idk what to give em

agility?

[verbal ferry]

yeah

[magic oasis]

sallies are kinda run of the mill not including their water stuff

on land they feel like slower pinks with a grabby tongue

[warped ice]

ill make em more speedy focused for this ig

[magic oasis]

the rivuliz

[warped ice]

EXACTLY

gonna repost the link to the lizars

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GYxPMPaZJc6TYHGjA0o79I0Ryh9_cJJilAwvP7SvLYI/edit?usp=sharing

once the homebrew doc is made ill link em on there too

[verbal ferry]

guh

[magic oasis]

huh?? wuh??

[warped ice]

guh

[verbal ferry]

wagigas has arrived

[magic oasis]

salamanders do not drown

they've got real gills, unlike riv's baby 40 second ones

[warped ice]

autumn is making me do that

[magic oasis]

ah, fair enough

[warped ice]

25 actions is alot anyway

and it doesnt take long to regain breath

also to clarify even though we all know, salas and blues have shorter tongues while zonkerdoodles have super long ones

i really cant think of a negative for them tbh

slow on land?

and maybe disadvantage on reactions on land

i really cant think of adaps for salamanders

[magic oasis]

maybe take a break

sleep on it

[warped ice]

no

im so close to finishing

probably wont do black lizards though
if someone else wants to add em ill probably accept it tomorrow but i dont care about em that much

being completely blind would be hell to balance

[magic oasis]

superhearing

[warped ice]

elaborate

like how woudl that work mechanically

[verbal ferry]

just dont

its awful

it would require removing an entire stat basically

[warped ice]

yeah not gonna bother with black lizards

[magic oasis]

can also give them a limited form of vision through echolocation

[warped ice]

just need the 2 adaps for salamander and then ill do the tweaked global adaps and then im done