rw ttrpg thread

[regal mulch]

thread archive cringe

revived

As is currently, I'm free tomorrow, but that could change in an instant, so ig we'll know closer to time.

oh nice

hope you can make it then

[regal mulch]

ok we need 1 more person today is anyone available or no

[hushed bane]

i can make it

my character :)

[hushed bane]

do we still need one extra person?

[regal mulch]

ideally yeah but we can live with the amount we have

why

[hushed bane]

because if we do i have a friend who's into rain world that i plan to test the TTRPG on at some point
i think they're in this server so i can just DM em and see if they're up for it

[regal mulch]

sure go for it

[hushed bane]

they said perhaps

@warped ice get over here fool

if you have any questions ask me or the person with the same name as you

[warped ice]

oh my god i forgot im even in this server thats handy

yEAH ill figure out wtf is goin on in a bit am a lil busy rn

hello your name is autumn and thats a very cool name

[regal mulch]

thanks

[hushed bane]

so who else is in the party?

[regal mulch]

@dim berry

foxy might be able to join as well

im waiting for their response

[dim berry]

Hello!

[hushed bane]

ah cool!

sesame what slugcat are you playing as?

[regal mulch]

theyre playing as spearmaster

[hushed bane]

ah cool

and foxy?

[regal mulch]

they were gonna play saint

@warped ice do you have a slugcat in mind you wanna play

oh and the doc and character sheet right

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c5WbbZYUDzZ_yfAJqQ2Gskch1G8dmAk-PIw-C1xDUV8/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12IrUOC-SaW6627VvuD92zxXcDKsvy60A7gM5mMpgZ4o/edit?usp=sharing

[regal mulch]

ok foxy can make it

[hushed bane]

yess

[regal mulch]

ok now we just need autumn to make their sheet and were good

It is quite satisfying that the icon I made for myself is green, so it matches Saint unintentionally. Lol

[molten birch]

cant make it today ! sorry, theres some stuff going on rn and we're going on a trip soon

[regal mulch]

thats fine

we have 4

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane @dim berry @regal mulch sluggin time

[hushed bane]

its sluggin time

[regal mulch]

The fact we had an actual quest sorta to do with this one was cool.

Still love this game so much.

[normal osprey]

i'll try not to make the same mistake if theres gonna be another one of theese, 😓 its such a shame i had to miss it this time,
still sorry for the inconvenience <3

[regal mulch]

there will be pretty soon

thursday

same time

[regal mulch]

im gonna get to (attempting) to work on nightcat, hunter, and host

@hushed bane in particular wanna try to get atleast 1 host adap done

[regal mulch]

ok the one shot is turning into a three shot now

Kk

[regal mulch]

does anyone else wanna work on the creatures and what not

taking a bit of a break

[kind brook]

I am still interested but unsure what I can help with

[regal mulch]

whatever really

[hushed bane]

i could in a bit

are we all on level 2 now?

[regal mulch]

yes

also hi fizzy

id prefer if we worked on species because hunter and host dont have a species adap

and nightcat is missing one

[hushed bane]

ye okay

wait hunter doesn't have species adaptations?

i thought they had those?

[regal mulch]

i didnt really like them much i want to try to avoid what is basically just

more damage

i had a better (imo) version of adrenaline rush let me find it

[hushed bane]

ah cool!

i think host's 2 adaptations should focus on the rotlings

maybe one gives them HP and the ability to make weak attacks? so they're better at combat?

idk about the other though

[regal mulch]

combat vs scouting yeah

[hushed bane]

maybe the scouting one gives them longer tentacles

which lets them grab things easier and also travel faster

[regal mulch]

i think scouting could maybe reduce the cost?

and give you a free one at the start of every cycle

[glossy cedar]

wait rainworld dnd?

holy shit

[regal mulch]

Ye

Speaking of, just remembered we had a session today

Shiiiiit

Imma have to get up super early

Oh well

[regal mulch]

yeah

let me ping everyone so i make sure everyone remembers

@hushed bane @normal osprey @brazen flax @warped ice

[hushed bane]

yeet

when we doing this?

[regal mulch]

2pm pst

same time

dog is gonna be a little late but they said it beforehand

[normal osprey]

yupyup ✨
so its in like 4 and a half hours right?

[regal mulch]

yeah

[brazen flax]

ye

[normal osprey]

aight

[regal mulch]

gang shit

6 peeps now. Neat

[warped ice]

on their way to perform Arson

[regal mulch]

5 this session

sam cant make it

[regal mulch]

I hope not, but I may have to back out last minute, at least for a bit and join mid session.

[normal osprey]

:D

[normal osprey]

D:

[regal mulch]

im gonna get in warehouse now

It looks like I'll be late by 10-30 mins. Unless you wanna wait til I get back, start without me and I'll join when I can.

its fine ill just explain what happens

and actually im gonna get everyone in vc rn so we can start on time

[normal osprey]

O ok

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane @normal osprey @warped ice @brazen flax slogcat

[normal osprey]

gimme one minute ✨

[regal mulch]

Hopefully I won't be too long.

[warped ice]

gimme a few hold on i need to find my fuckinnnn mic i have no clue where i put it

[regal mulch]

It's taking longerrrrr

I will get this done eventually.

[warped ice]

my mic is just straight up gone ill be a bit to join if i can even find it

[regal mulch]

ok sharing the best thing from the session

arch (foxy) entering a leviathans mouth

then leaving it perfectly fine

[warped ice]

arch

[regal mulch]

And the scav pincushion. I caused 6 scavs to be impaled on floor spears while surviving the spears myself.

I believe I only got one lizard kill, bringing my total to 15. 15 kills as the pacifist species.

Wack

Am I essentially MVP? Lol

[warped ice]

just use logic from the yakuza series, never killed anyone they just so happen to die around them
arch has never killed anyone, they just happen to wander into the arc of the spears or just so happen to fall onto inconveniently spears

god we really commit scav genocide huh

[regal mulch]

No, I definitely killed 5 of them as I literally exploded them.

The only 10 did in fact die to objects not directly from me, so the others were "coincidence". Lol

also @dim berry @brazen flax since you didnt hear this next session is saturday 2pst again

i need to prep the final bit

Next Saturday

[plain grail]

H

[brazen flax]

oh next saturday alright

[regal mulch]

yeah not this saturday

also everyones level 3

Need to decide what to put my 3 stats into.

for the nightcats and host wait a minute because i need to get those species adaps ready

resistance +8

I wish. Lmao

[brazen flax]

wait do we get extra points on all level ups?

[regal mulch]

uhhh

wait not level 3

right

[brazen flax]

yea

[regal mulch]

That's right

no stat improvement on level 3

[brazen flax]

its just the adap

[regal mulch]

Meh, just an adap is cool too.

murder saint vs karma murder saint

choose

Consistent murder Saint. If we fuck up, karmic Saint becomes super weak. Tongue Saint has consistent damage.

the other ones still good

another recovery dice and a really consistent weapon

especially at higher karma

We have to get to higher karma first

Wait

you have 7 max rn

2 died, but 2 lived too. Does that cancel out?

oh yeah

7 karma rn

So we still have 7.

Nice

and as i said before its a three shot

hopefully

Turn this into a 5 session campaign guys, we got this. Lmao

i dont have the next part planned at all lmao

Curious if the dice gods will continue in my favor next session or if I die in the first reaction. Lol

should i replace the +1 recovery dice with recover all blessings once per cycle

for saint

actually wait figured it out

[warped ice]

since when was it your fault they got in the way of your misplaced explosion?

[regal mulch]

you turn into a hunter next session

metamorphisis

what was your kill count btw

Me?

I only killed one lizard, correct? The one I kicked off the ledge.

negative 15 kills

you were just helping them ascend

[warped ice]

what a kind and generous soul 🙏

[regal mulch]

I was attempting at least. The scavs def didn't ascend, but I tried. Lol

So based off last session, our next session will be attempting to ascend via void.

undertale

Simply hole

We must collect 7 Ancients souls(echoes) to open the void and escape.

We already got 1. Lol

I have no choice but to finally do my Saint art now.

murder saint art

Should be interesting. Will have to wait tho.

Indeed

I gotta decide how to draw the shield. Already have an idea for my staff.

spike pit below leviathan above

Okay I'm not that good at art. Lol

Maybe eventually. Lol

that works too

Idk, if I really wanted too I prolly could.

sams gonna have a fun time hearing the session recap

Make an entire like poster worthy art piece for murder Saint.

Indeed

What's really fun is just how well the name fits because the name comes from another oc of mine. Which happens to be the celestial protector of a planet.

Murder Saint perfectly matches the personality, and it wasn't even on purpose. Lol

I just couldn't think of another name.

arch was the main character this time

they had plot armor

[regal mulch]

Saint purely did what Saint do. Saint ascended to godhood and smote the nonbelievers.

[regal mulch]

maybe we should change DCs to like

4, 7, 10, 13, 16

6+ feels too low but 9+ is a bit too hard

or maybe we should just bring back having both roll

Idk, 9+ was just fine for me. XD

and i think we might wanna note when like

God of rolling. Lol

a creature has different agility from its stealth or something

like a pole plant

That is a good idea, yes.

We should test blue/white lizards with their wall climbing.

It's not super important, but it would be good to get a feel for how that works.

Especially since we can throw in any direction and hitting something tends to knock it down.

yeag

ill try using rolls for creatures instead of DCs next session to see how it feels

Kk

Use our old stat blocks then? And you have a week to create stat blocks for any you need.

yeah ill get some placeholder ones ready in a seperate doc

Kk

the creature range would probably be bigger though

for stats

well its -5 to +5 atleast

Is a good idea to test that again. It adds a lot more rolling, but it also makes it a bit more realistic as either opponent could trip up and fail miserably, or accidentally do something extraordinary.

personally i prefer rolling

and it makes encounters more varied

as currently having high enough stats feels like you just hit everything

because of averages

on a tie id make the player win

My constant 10-17s were quite op. XD

Altho that's the purpose of a shield. To protec

It still amuses me how 9 of my kills were resistance checks.

do the same thing again but with leviathans instead of scavengers

I murdered simply by avoiding death myself.

[regal mulch]

Simply block them to death? XD

Okay hear me out, if I max roll dice can I hold a leviathan's mouth open? Lol

i mean you could try

grip probably

I feel muscle or resistance. Or both

youre gonna get all 2s

Get like an average will all of them.

[regal mulch]

I called it earlier. I'm either gonna be a god again next session or die immediately in the next encounter. Lol

actually we could write a rule for that

probably not though

that would double the dice needed

That's one of those things that's not a specified rule, that's a dm's discretion thing.

im adding rules for like

greater advantage though

if you get multiple stacks of it

same with disadvantage

also foxy did you actually use the reroll 2s part of the shueld

I did not

then again you rolled too well

I only got a 1 a few times.

yeah you need a double 1 to reroll

1/36 chance

A lot of my dice were 3's and 4's, causing the consistent 11-13.

Every so often I'd get like a 1 and a high number, so I still ended up 9+.

arch willed a new god into existence and made them help them

Indeed

My decision to put +5 in res is really what carried me through that entire thing, cause I would not have been making high enough rolls to survive most of that otherwise. XD

thats another reason im thinking we ahould switch back to rolls

you NEED a +3 minimum for some creatures

[regal mulch]

just to update the to do list:

• about half the creature stats
• all objects
• hunter, nightcat, and host adaps
• about 6-11 more adaptations
• 2 more rites

not that bad since its just translating mechanics as the bulk of the work

i say were done by the end of next month

I'll have my college work done by today which means I'll have a while of free time to think.

Should be able to get you a few adaps

any test stuff is gonna be done later though

not the same time (2pst) we usually do since i have school starting soon

or just do it on weekends

also i was thinking if we wanted multiclassing we would need like

4 more species adaps for each slugcat

though multiclassing would be a bit weird due to how we flavor it

we can always add that after we "release" it though

[regal mulch]

Thought. Do we give garbage worms hp? They have none in game as far as I'm aware.

Multiclassing would simply be crossbreeds.

[regal mulch]

just give them like

40

[regal mulch]

should we make 12s in combat instantly succeed

sure

its a 1/36 chance it wont break the game

only for players though

ok there are rules for multiple stacks of advantage/disadvantage now

hopefully it dosent become super broken

ok making a host adap

i know what i want it to do but not how to make it do that

i have two ideas

1 - if you have 3 rot clusters, you have advantage on taming checks under a condition (all 3 rotlings around the creature?)
2 - you may use a rot cluster to give yourself advantage on a taming check, however this kills the rot cluster

rotling is a much better name im changing it to that

@hushed bane host

[hushed bane]

1 works best imo

also im about to sleep-

[regal mulch]

oh sorry

one thing though

i think we should change the max rotlings by default to 2 and make them take 3 each

then have this adap let you have 3

do rotlings need a stat block

wait i have the solution to the rotling image needing to be somewhere

done

[regal mulch]

It might be useful for players knowing what they're capable of, but that would be the only reason.

it was mostly for the image being accesible tbh but we figured that out

Also our convo about karmic saint versus tongue saint. Tongue saint is better as it is more accessible damage. Sacrilege can only be used as long as you have blessings. Tongue can be used whenever.

i think theyre pretty balanced tbh

Now a guaranteed possible 11 damage is good, but it's only usable for so long.

i could also replace the extra recovery dice with a better unarmed attack?

your unarmed attack dice is changed to a d6 maybe

They're balanced, I'm just making the point of me preferring tongue

[regal mulch]

Then it's simply better barbs.

Essentially barbs plus sacrilege.

fair enough

i thnik theyre fine rn

Ye

Especially later levels when Saint unlocks infinite blessings.

Early on tho, tongue is better

21 uses of sacrilege.

231 damage.

its hard to balance

Saint can't do that much in one turn, just that much in one cycle.

Actually less possible damage than throwing 21 spears as that's possible 252 damage

It's balanced

I just wanted to do the math

fair enough

i might want to just make it current karma not 1 + current karma

And other slugs can keep throwing spears while Saint just stops dealing damage at that point.

Unless you're me who doesn't have to deal damage to deal damage.

[regal mulch]

I wouldn't. It lowers already limited damage.

I still can't get over the fact I only actually killed 5 things by directly dealing damage. Everything else died to "environmental" effects. Lol

[regal mulch]

if were letting sources of (dis)advantage stack im changing it to +1 dice and pick the 2 highest

well the first stack is gonna be +2

this work?

we might need to have like

rules for advantage on damage if it over occurs

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane hey can we try to finish the species adaps rn

[regal mulch]

foxy swam into and then out of a leviathans mouth and ripped parts of it out succesfully

[magic oasis]

i love spoilers

[regal mulch]

while 2 people died at the same time to it

[magic oasis]

okay so

what is sorta the rotation when it comes to combat? like what happens for one round? @regal mulch

[regal mulch]

theres no initiative people just take actions when appropriate

and the GM has creatures do stuff when appropriate once again

[magic oasis]

wait, then how do you determine who goes first?

do you have like, an example of what a round looks like?

or at least the flow of combat

[regal mulch]

give me a second and ill explain further

monking out rn

[magic oasis]

okie

i think an example round would really help the document, since it gives an overall idea of what the flow is supposed to be like

examples like that can help a lot in letting people understand what the sort of general idea is, like the example encounter of a bridge across a moat at the start of the 5e PHB

[regal mulch]

oh yeah we had one a bit ago but i never got around to making a new one when we reworked combat

any other places we should give examples?

[magic oasis]

might be a lot, but

character creation

just like a single example of what information a finished character sheet looks like

[regal mulch]

we will once we get a character sheet done

[magic oasis]

i can collage one out of snipped up dnd character sheets-

[regal mulch]

for now we just have a spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12IrUOC-SaW6627VvuD92zxXcDKsvy60A7gM5mMpgZ4o/edit#gid=0

[magic oasis]

that should be pinned ngl

[regal mulch]

@vernal moat

[vernal moat]

ok I will pim

eur eur

[vernal moat]

pim

[regal mulch]

pimed!!!

[magic oasis]

she's been pinned!!!!!!!

[regal mulch]

[regal mulch]

long story short the order of actions is determined mostly by what logically makes sense

[magic oasis]

that seems like it could end up causing some issues, since it's entirely subjective

the purpose of something like initiative, speed stat, priority, whatever the mechanic is called in games, is to provide an objective turn order that can be planned for, or to prevent people from arguing over what would be "logical"

while i understand that with someone being in the role of gamemaster, you can completely stop all arguments with your own interpretation, that still might not end up making players happy with the result, as they can say it's biased
if, however, the order of actions is determined by an objective system, then there's nothing to blame except for luck or other people's builds, which is okay for people to get angry at instead of other people's opinions

i will say though, if the system works here, then that's alright, I haven't seen any gameplay of this in action so i don't have a handle on how intuitive it might be

[regal mulch]

its worked so far

generally it goes player action/enemy reaction -> enemy action/player reaction -> repeat

idk how i would explain that in the rules as it dosent always go like that

[regal mulch]

Generally everyone who has an idea kinda states what they want if they want to do something first and we just kinda agree which should be done first. With more uncivil players it might cause some issue, but for us at least it's worked perfectly.

And the dm has always been pretty good at making sure everyone gets a turn before proceeding.

But to make everything as naturally fluid as possible, not having initiative is a good way to go. It allows more natural movement of actions.

[regal mulch]

i just have a thing against initiative because it causes a lot of problems

such as players getting bored

without it peoples are gonna be more engaged

[magic oasis]

true

though... i think not paying attention like that is kinda a recipe to get blindsided in an actual game from turning your brain off

depends on the group, we had to do a lot of planning each turn

[regal mulch]

yeah thats a good point but in general i just prefer no initative because our system isnt terribly complex combat wise

[magic oasis]

If encounters are built more like step by step puzzles

Then yeah, initiative is going to be needed for that consistency

[regal mulch]

theyre not really built like puzzles

[magic oasis]

that's what it felt like for us
i assume here that it's a little more scrappy though, and that's alright

[regal mulch]

the environment itself is the puzzle generally

combat/out of combat isnt that much of a difference outside of like

first strike and ambush predator

which are just

advantage on first attack roll and -5 damange on first attack if not camoflauged

but you can generally tell when an encounter starts and ends

and at worst we can replace those

[magic oasis]

it's probably just 12:15 AM 5e brain not used to the idea of not having initiative

i'm gonna just go to sleep, g'night

[regal mulch]

night

[regal mulch]

i feel like karmic spear should be reworked into a more like

nuke rite to not overlap with karmic strike

well ig that things niche is that it can be cased alongside a normal rite

but still making it a burst damage rite could work well

or maybe we should limit basic rites to dealing no damage and just being utility

@hushed bane what do you think

[regal mulch]

speaking of blessings and rites i believe we should mess with saint and monk

i think we should redistribute some of their stuff for saint

base:

• tounge
• recovery dice blessing regains
• a damaging rite

adap 1:

• tounge to deal damage
• recovery dice healing on others

adap 2:

• more blessings
• another damaging rite (thamuturgic discharge could get moved here maybe)

monk i feel like telekenesis dosent fit and we should replace it

i moved karmic spear to base

[alpine kelp]

if you're putting it on the doc, it's spelled "tongue"

[regal mulch]

fuck right

also heres a host adap

theres also this version

[regal mulch]

i like the second more

im thinking for the other adap its scouting based

ok i like this

im gonna bring base rotlings back to 3

[regal mulch]

im thinking we should also either remove damaging rites from basic rites or just not let non spellcasters use them altogether

this seems good (monk)

i need help on saint this is the second time ive tried reworking them

[alpine kelp]

mfw i summon a scavenger toll post inside a hostile creature

[regal mulch]

i clarified it has to be a small object

that fits in your hand

[alpine kelp]

is it summoned inside the hand or can the player choose an area around them to place it

[regal mulch]

either

[alpine kelp]

cup of void fluid

[regal mulch]

ok i made it appear in the hand that makes more sense

[regal mulch]

what do you think about this though

[alpine kelp]

well let me recheck the list

the "basic rites" list appears to only have Miraculous Empowerment in terms of damage modifying stuff? given its cost of 4 rites that effectively means low-rite classes probably won't be able to use it much anyway

[regal mulch]

well i already removed the damaging rites

there was uh

1d4 + 3 damage for 2 blessings
2d6 + 3 damage aoe for 6 blessings
2 damage for 1 blessing

i just dont think theyre needed for non spellcasters

[alpine kelp]

that's probably fine, i don't think we need to give non-spellcasters extra attacks, especially given the vast amount of adaptations that do provide offensive utility

[regal mulch]

ok

last thing

what do you think we should do for saint

rn im stuck as they cant use weapons so theyre a spellcaster almost 100% of the time

idk how much damage their base rite should do

[alpine kelp]

how much damage does a spear do

[regal mulch]

2d6

wait maybe i can have them make a like

spectral weapon

[alpine kelp]

you could maybe give karmic spear to them instead? idk

[regal mulch]

well i want monk to keep that but i do have an idea

spectral weapon, creates a spear that deals 2d6 damage, uses 2 blessings for every attack performed, and disappears after making a ranged attack with it

[alpine kelp]

how about:

spectral weapons. they can create an assortment of stuff like spears, rocks, bombs, flashbangs(?) but each has a separate cost in terms of blessings

[regal mulch]

that could work

spear is the default saint has

then you can get another form via a adaptation

this seems good

[alpine kelp]

that seems fair

[regal mulch]

wait i forgot the +6 max blessings

ok now its good

bit wordy but its fine

theres also this

is this a good adap

i want one tounge adap and one spellcasting adap

[alpine kelp]

if the spellcasting adap is the "spectral weapon improvement" then that can act as the offensive one

i'd say the tongue should be used for stealth, defense, or evasion

a tongue adaptation therefore could maybe be that the tongue gets longer and either becomes a "prehensile + sticky" DLL thing or a "stealth upgrade" white lizard thing

[regal mulch]

it already is a limb but i could remove that part and add it to the tounge adap

[alpine kelp]

a limb in what way?

[regal mulch]

hold an extra item and interact with stuff but that would be better as an adap

@regal mulch youre the one who played saint what do you think

[alpine kelp]

well, the white lizard thing wouldn't be much of a change to that function, it would just make the tongue longer

the DLL thing would be like "the tongue becomes essentially this long, prehensile tentacle which can grab things (and ensnare/restrict creatures up to a certain size)

[regal mulch]

saint is the hardest slugcat to make i swear

its hard to keep their "dosent use weapons" idea but still maek them effective in combat

and not make them extremely under or overpowered

and make sure theyre still useful levels 1 and 2

[alpine kelp]

maybe saint could gain the telekinesis stuff?

[regal mulch]

i mean i did remove it from monk

[alpine kelp]

that might have better flavor than the spectral weapons

[regal mulch]

yeah

how would it function

[alpine kelp]

well MSC 1.3 Saint did actually have telekinesis (and a permakill ability) when they reached karma 10

that won't be the case for downpour saint, but we could still use what we have at the current moment

[regal mulch]

also i added it cant be valuable because dont want to fuck with fake pearls

[alpine kelp]

i'd just say "or a pearl" and if you REALLY need to justify just pearls in particular, say "they're objects that are technically complex and a slugcat wouldn't know how to create a functional pearl without being taught"

because "valuable" could also mean something like vulture masks

[regal mulch]

that also works

i just dont want to make counterfeit archivist redundant in almost all ways by their sibling using 2 blessings

[alpine kelp]

how about: saint CAN create pearls, but only if they're doing it with a counterfeit archivist survivor

basically: saint can turn a fake pearl into a real one

[regal mulch]

i mean that would be a bit too niche of an interaction to include directly

[alpine kelp]

yeah

[regal mulch]

so how would telekenesis work for saint

it needs to be able to do some damage

[alpine kelp]

as the pilgrimige progression player, didn't telekinesis do sizable amounts of damage?

if a creature is flung into a wall/other creature/pit, they take at least a moderate amount of damage - that's how it worked in my session

[regal mulch]

i think we dont need damage rules then

so adap wise i believe what we should do is a tounge adap and a spectral weapon adap

or maybe we can just go full into the idea of them being a support

two buffing adaptations

[alpine kelp]

what would the second buff adap be? the tongue one i get, but what would you do for the other one?

[regal mulch]

i mean like

buffing the party adaps

[alpine kelp]

buff idea: "sain't"

• saint can copy the stats and abilities of another slugcat for 1 turn (just kidding that would be broken and a massive pain)

[alpine kelp]

what do you mean by "buffing the party adaps"

• buffing the party by using a saint adaptation
• buffing the adaptations of the party

those are two very different things

[regal mulch]

the first

[alpine kelp]

i was about to say

you need to be VERY cautious about saint giving the rest of the party buffs, because it might lead to cases where certain things become unreasonably strong if you aren't careful

[regal mulch]

I have been summoned

hey

were working on saint since they were in a bit of a weird spot

and just rites/blessings in general

If you'll give me 2 hours you can have my full attention to help figure out what's good.

ill be here then

[regal mulch]

im thinking we might wanna just remove rites for non spellcasters as theyre kinda niche overall like both of the recent sessions only 1 rite was used (besides saint) and even the one fizzy hosted it was just the leap and discharge (which was way too strong then) but the leaping was all me using a niche build

[regal mulch]

I liked your idea of removing damage ones from non spellcasters

ive already implemented it

but in general i feel like we dont really need them

theyre not used much

most of them havent been used

idk what do you think

elaborating more even a level 1 party has more than enough blessings (16 if 4 players) and more than they will ever use at level 10 (48)

and most of the rites allow you to solve most problems except combat and scavengers

I like the rites, so I say keep them. They give us unique ways to solve problems.

for now im just gonna keep the 5

but uh

i do want to clasify what each slugcats role should be so they adhere to that

becasue rn its a bit weird

survivor: good all rounder
monk: general spellcaster
hunter: damage dealer
nightcat: stealth
artificer: aoe damage
gourmand: storage, crafting, and food
spearmaster: damage with utility
rivulet: action economy
saint: support spellcaster
host: scouting and creatures

We've done repeated tests with mostly the same people, so I think it's just been the players we've had not using the rites.

And we've used leap and bait quite a bit, those two are very useful.

And explosion

explosion was just overtuned for a wihle

[regal mulch]

ill run some tests with different players sometime to see if that changes anything

[regal mulch]

do you disagree on any of these though

Uh

Ye

Good

All of them are good

Support spellcaster is a bit of an odd title, but I kinda see it.

well its more because they cant really do damage generally

so i think making them a support spellcaster fits best

im readding the tounge damage/give other players blessings/health since its still support but also makes them more combat focused

[regal mulch]

the thing is though (imo) not using those would lead to more interestng scenarios most of the time

instead of leaping across a gap youd use the enviroment or you species abilities to get up

and instead of using illusion youd create a distraction yourself

and resource management isnt really a problem with them becasue you have more than youd need

Fair

saint and monk would just have blessings as a species thing

or blessings would be reworked

i had an idea that they could be added to your roll if you want and then monk/saint cast with them

Hmm

Unsure what my thoughts on it are

On one hand I get your point, on the other I prefer how it was previously, but that's because I like the utilization of spells.

So I'm biased toward how we had it.

adaps could always add some rites back

but we can deal with rites later we need to finish hunter, nightcat, saint, and host

nightcat first

[alpine kelp]

if you're replacing Ambush Predator with something else, then i'll wait before suggesting adaptations

[regal mulch]

yeah thats a fair point

im holding off on messing with that because we have 2 nightcat players

please do dump any ideas for those 4 if you have them

[alpine kelp]

i think i already dumped my saint ideas, which were:

• main attack is Telekinesis
• adap 1 is the "long tongue" adap, which helps with evading/incapacitating creatures (depending on whether it's the "become part white lizard" or the "tongue becomes a DLL tentacle" option)
• adap 2 is still ??? - it could be spectral weapon, but that kinda goes against the character theming of "pacifistic and weaponless"

[regal mulch]

saint i think what were doing is that theyre a support overall

[alpine kelp]

in general my philosophy for adaptations is "play further into the class archetype and don't negate weaknesses" - an adap might mitigate weaknesses, sure, but it can't trivialize them - otherwise, players concerned about low rolls will pick the "minimize weaknesses" option

[regal mulch]

with one adaptation lets you deal some damage

but is still mainly support

[regal mulch]

is there any of those mitagating weaknesses we do have

ignoring survivor because they are just an all rounder with no real weakness

[alpine kelp]

i would suggest maybe looking at some "class-based team games" for inspiration for adaptations in regards to mechanics, such as tf2 or overwatch

[regal mulch]

that could work actually

in the end though we can always fix stuff after we "release" this

though we should try to make it generally balanced

dont wanna fuck with campaigns going if possible

[alpine kelp]

generally i'd say have each class fulfill a niche

tf2 has three class types (offense, defense, and support) and has specific niches inside those

[regal mulch]

i did categorize them here somewhat

the biggest overlap is spearmaster and hunter but spearmaster has more utility with their damage while hunter is gonna be more focused on just damage

[alpine kelp]

offensive:

• scout (very high mobility with a fair amount of attack potential, but low health)
• soldier (all-around attacker, can gain extra mobility by sacrificing health)
• pyro (low-mobility attacker with devastating AOE damage)

defensive:

• demoman (area control, punishes bad and predictable approaches)
• heavy (tank with low mobility, serves as a meatshield to soak up damage from offensive classes)
• engineer (area denial but takes time to set up)

support:

• medic (serves as general support but has very limited offensive or defensive capability alone)
• sniper (excels at attacking long-range but struggles to deal damage up close, helps support by offering supporting fire to teammates - however, requires high amounts of skill to play well)
• spy (stealth class that serves to catch unsuspecting players off guard and cripple enemy defenses, but is extremely weak outside of stealth)

[regal mulch]

some of those roles could fit here

what do you think the slugcat roles should be though

[alpine kelp]

well uhhh all-rounders can work fine in a ttrpg, as it isn't team-based and thus doesn't overcentralize play

so i'd say:

all-purpose:

• survivor
• rivulet

offensive:

• hunter
• artificer
• spearmaster

defensive - yeah we don't really have ANY classes which i'd deem "defensive" atm

support:

• monk
• nightcat
• gourmand
• saint
• host

yeah we may be a LITTLE unbalanced here if we're going by team-based competitive game logic

(to clarify that's what we have NOW)

it is sort of hard to make any slugcat "defensive" unless you straight up give them higher health though

[regal mulch]

monk we can probably make offensive

and defensive dosent really work here

none of the slugcats could really fit that

except gourmand actually

maybe

also nightcats downside could be that they could lose the camo ability upon taking damage and need to reactivate it for 2 food pips

like white lizards do

[alpine kelp]

i'd say with a system like this we should go with a "passivity scale"

basically a list of how combat-oriented vs. support-oriented a particular class is

[regal mulch]

yeah

1 - 10

[alpine kelp]

saint as most passive, spearmaster (who HAS to attack) as most aggressive

so basically, from passive to aggressive, here's my rough list of what i think is WANTED

• saint
• host(?)
• monk
• gourmand
• nightcat
• survivor
• rivulet
• artificer
• hunter
• spearmaster

[regal mulch]

i feel like we should have monk around the middle

as a like

burst damage dealer

limited use but very powerful

host can can go both ways

[alpine kelp]

monk's current implementation both handicaps his damage potential and heavily focuses on support

[regal mulch]

im giving them a combat adap and a scouting adap

[regal mulch]

yeah i might give them a complete rework

might even just rework blessings and rites as a whole

[alpine kelp]

host is basically the "engineer" or "summoner" class of this game

[regal mulch]

yeah

[finite forum]

what is host?

[alpine kelp]

fanmade slugcat

[regal mulch]

yeah

[alpine kelp]

basically a rot-infested one

[regal mulch]

we needed a 10th to round out the stats

the allure stats were left floating for obvious reasons

theyre ironically the face species despite their apperance

[alpine kelp]

face?

[regal mulch]

face of the party

the one who handles social stuff

i do think we should just go over all the species and adaptations sometime and see if theyre good enough and fit

overall (for completely finished) how i feel is

nearly perfect:
survivor (might need food pip adjustment but thats it)
arti
spearmaster

mostly fine but needs a little polishing:
gourmand
rivulet

needs a lot of work:
monk

gourmand its mostly on the base part

probably moving the fall damage to base and changing that adap

whats your opinions on rites/blessings though

[alpine kelp]

rites/blessings are... certainly a thing

i wouldn't necessarily say they HAVE to be class-specific but if we want a "generalized list" available to all classes, they need to effectively be cantrips - that is, essentially minor spells that have a small amount of utility for particular situations

i don't know how many rites we plan to have, so i'm not sure if we would need to restrict the amount of rites available to a player to prevent the dm and player from requiring too much additional reading or not

[regal mulch]

making them basically limited cantrips could be a good idea

let people pick say

3

level 1, level 5, level 10 maybe

but honestly i really feel like we should get rid of them

they feel unnecessary to me

and they dilute the focus

saint and monk could easily work without them with some adjustments

[regal mulch]

me as Saint, dancing with the scavs while our host only pisses them off I beg to differ. Lmaooo

exception because that was an iterator and yknow

Peak roleplaying

they have a tiny little bit of the rot

[regal mulch]

elaborating on the role ideas i think we can actually make monk defensive while saint is supportive

[regal mulch]

Uno.

[regal mulch]

what

[regal mulch]

im gonna take a break from working on the ttrpg till after the session

theres a lot of things i wanna test first

[molten birch]

hey guys sorry i havent been active here recently
school's starting soon for me and i might have even less time to play </3

[regal mulch]

its good

[regal mulch]

I got work now which means I too will be super iffy.

can you still do saturday session

I have no idea honestly

If we could maybe do it earlier, definitely, but on our current schedule, I have no idea. Prolly won't know if I'm working Saturday or not til Friday night.

[regal mulch]

well tell me when you know

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane @regal mulch @warped ice @dim berry @normal osprey so can you all still do tommorow

[dim berry]

yeah

[hushed bane]

what time?

[regal mulch]

2pm pst

[hushed bane]

also i dont know if botmancer can

[regal mulch]

damn

dog cant

but they said its fine without them

[hushed bane]

they said they're on vacation tomorrow so yeah

i can though!

i mean they may be able to i'll have to see

if not i think we could still do it

although depending on if foxy can make it too, idk

feels like we shouldnt go ahead with it if 2 people are missing

[regal mulch]

if 2 people cant make it we reschedule

oh yeah right i have a few things i wanna run by you

if you dont mind

hows this

[hushed bane]

i like it!

[regal mulch]

I'll find out a bit later

[regal mulch]

oh fuck i forgot to ask

@hushed bane i had some thoughts on blessings and rites

i really feel like we dont need them

[hushed bane]

yeahh

maybe they should be specific to monk and saint

[regal mulch]

i feel like monk and saint we can just give X amount of uses per cycle or just have like

small permanent things they can do

my idea was that monk is defensive and saint is supportive

[tacit needle]

just read some of the doc and holy, you guys are insane

good job on it

[regal mulch]

thank you

and sorry for the late response i was playing ror2

[tacit needle]

it's alright

i'm honestly not that interested in ttrpgs since i dont know how to actually play them but, good job

[regal mulch]

thats fine

appreciate the thanks though

lot of work making this

[tacit needle]

i can tell lmao

[regal mulch]

Only way to learn is to play.

Feet hurt less today.

[normal osprey]

Sadly no, it would have been very tough to do so for me, the vacation hoise doesnt have wifi and i cant share internet through phone to the laptop. I do apologise but also wish you all good luck on the session would love to hear the recap afterwards ;;

[tacit needle]

i mean, true but i'm terrible at making characters

[magic oasis]

that's why it's important to seek help when making your first character

the first time through, of course you're probably going to be lost, needing help is completely understandable
But over the course of several times, you will get the hang of it

[tacit needle]

might do that first then, if i do play ttrpgs at least once in my life

overall i like the whole thing though

[magic oasis]

remember
TTRPGs are, at the end of the day, a cooperative experience
the players and the DM work together so they both have fun

[tacit needle]

i see

[magic oasis]

It's not confrontational

[tacit needle]

alright then, thanks

[magic oasis]

np ^^

Autumn wants the players to succeed through tough situations because then it'll be fun for the players, and thus fun for her

A DM completely stomping their players isn't fun for either side, and neither is the opposite

[tacit needle]

so basically, one puts the player through a test that they may succeed
and the other straight up doesn't want the players to win anything

[magic oasis]

there's nothing wrong with it getting confrontational, since some players and dms might enjoy that together (wargame rps)
but i don't think this is exactly the main goal here, based on what i've read from the document

[tacit needle]

yeah

it's meant to be cooperative

[regal mulch]

we were gonna cancel it if 2 people cant make it

so unless you, dog, and everyone else are fine its gonna be rescheduled

@hushed bane @regal mulch @warped ice @dim berry @brazen flax

also autumn we still need to know if you can make it

[hushed bane]

yeahh rescheduling might be a good idea

[regal mulch]

gonna have to be on a wednesday or next weekend

if you still wanna play something i can absolutely improv the shit out of an unrelated one shot in like 3 hours

[hushed bane]

its fine!

id rather you use this time to plan anyway, i feel like too much improv would hurt things

idk

[regal mulch]

nah its already finished completely

outside of like one room

but ig we are rescheduling

wednesday 2:30pm pst or saturday 2pm pst

[dim berry]

cant be wedneday at 2:30 for me, Im working uhh

fuck time conversions

oh wait yeah it can I got it backwards

Im working 7-12

[regal mulch]

wednesday is ideal for me

everythings done for the msot part

I won't know my schedule for next week til Monday

[warped ice]

i got pinged
session when
im not at home but i can try remember my roll20 login and play anyway

[regal mulch]

were probably gonna move it

[warped ice]

alrighty

[regal mulch]

because dog and james cant make it

[regal mulch]

is one of these fine

we can still run it today if everyone is fine with it (including the people who cant make it)

[warped ice]

yeah either is fine

[regal mulch]

sorry to ping everyone again

@brazen flax @hushed bane @dim berry @regal mulch

[dim berry]

yeah?

[brazen flax]

i dont mind missing a session

[hushed bane]

i mean im still of the opinion that if 2 people cant go we should wait it out maybe

[regal mulch]

would you be fine if we did it with 4/6 people or do you want to reschedule

and im with fizzy but i want to see what everyone wants

[dim berry]

I can wait

[regal mulch]

so ig we are waiting

@spare kraken we moved the session to either wednesday or saturday

Kk

[regal mulch]

are we doing wednesday or saturday we never decided

[carmine hearth]

wut is this server?

or channel

[regal mulch]

well

rain world tabletop rpg thread

were working on it

well im not rn im taking a break from developing it

[ripe sage]

Geeble gobble

[warped ice]

we should rename this thread to add [the coolest area] because thats what it is

[regal mulch]

so true

[tacit needle]

facts

[carmine hearth]

I am unknowledgeable to the coolness of this area, and myself believe #vanilla-meme-gallery★ is the coolest area

[tacit needle]

it's still the coolest area (TM)

[carmine hearth]

oh, just a name

not a fact

[tacit needle]

it is also a fact

the TM is so no one can steal the spot

[regal mulch]

Lol

Indeed

[regal mulch]

so are we doing saturday or not

[regal mulch]

Is currently the plan

[regal mulch]

@hushed bane @dim berry @normal osprey @brazen flax @warped ice so

[warped ice]

fuck yeah

[regal mulch]

same time as the last 2

[dim berry]

which is when?

[warped ice]

radical!
and if i forget fizzy will remind me

[regal mulch]

2pm pst

4 for you sam

[dim berry]

god I am terrible at planning

I for some reason thought pst was two hours ahead

so I thought it would be noon for me

its going to be a large probably from me

[craggy pulsar]

(I'm up to take over if anyone's gotta leave btw)

[magic oasis]

the game

[regal mulch]

I may be a bit late, but I'm still good to go.

[warped ice]

the funky slugcats

[regal mulch]

oh right

everyone is level 3

and @regal mulch it dosent exist (currently) but you can still use thamuturgic discharge

Good thing I remember it's stats vividly. Lol

and make sure your sheet is updated

[regal mulch]

@magic oasis @autumn field @steel osprey we are gonna do the session today

in about 4 hours

you guys wanted to watch

[magic oasis]

i will

spectate

[steel osprey]

ok

[magic oasis]

the game will begin soon

not the scavgames the uhh

other s game

[autumn field]

sungeons and sragons

[regal mulch]

Do believe I updated it before we got off, but I will when I get home.

[regal mulch]

@spare kraken

You too

thanks

[spare kraken]

T T R P G

Yes

[regal mulch]

You're welcome

[autumn field]

ill see what mood im in when you start playing sometimes i just Do not have the attention span for vcs at all

[regal mulch]

Anyway

[spare kraken]

But I was discussing Penrose diagrams...

[regal mulch]

Back to unconsciousness

its in 4 hours leaves you have time

[spare kraken]

Ty, I will hopefully be there in 4 hours.

[regal mulch]

I will hopefully be home in 4 hours.

Worst case I can be mute in call, and if someone can stream for me I text until I get home. Be a bit of a pain, but it's the best I got if I'm not home in time.

you can add another 15-20 to how much time you have

session recap for both previous and then a bit of time to make sure everyone has their stuff up

Ye, I'm hoping I'll be home by 4:20-30 since that's when we typically start doing stuff.

And luckily I don't need recap as last session was my spotlight(), so I remember all of it.

Nessy tried eating me twice, failed both times, two people died helping me the second time, and now we're at the coords

End of last session

well

in the ocean near the cords

same difference

also remember we are testing creatures rolling against the players

[carmine hearth]

wait what happened?

or will happen... ill watch then

[regal mulch]

ill give the recap at the start of the session

[regal mulch]

One more hour

[warped ice]

[warped ice]

judgement approaches

[magic oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/vibri-vibribbon-bonk-joy-happy-gif-23710677

[warped ice]

https://tenor.com/view/vib-ribbon-vibri-gif-25322413

got my tactical milkshake i am READY

[regal mulch]

@regal mulch @hushed bane @warped ice @brazen flax

[warped ice]

[regal mulch]

@spare kraken @steel osprey @autumn field @magic oasis

ampitheatre

[warped ice]

god damnit why must fizzy be idle

will be in in a sec

[spare kraken]

[magic oasis]

you fool

[spare kraken]

Who says I like talking?

[magic oasis]

i don't have a mic lmao

[spare kraken]

[magic oasis]

i am merely

the listener

[spare kraken]

Same

[magic oasis]

there's always the voice chat's text chat

[regal mulch]

Waiting on Uber. Should be home by n:20.

[autumn field]

omg what game is this from

[magic oasis]

vib-ribbon

[autumn field]

that game has good music i think

[autumn field]

ill join in a minute im currently trying to remember the things that i told myself i was going to do

i forgor 💀

[steel osprey]

o

hulo

i am here to observe 👀

[red maple]

same

[warped ice]

protogen enjoyers???

[red maple]

any toaster enjoyers in the chat?

[spare kraken]

Bonk the child.

[red maple]

which child

[spare kraken]

Fizzy's.

[warped ice]

toaster enjoyers

[regal mulch]

I will be home in 10ish mins.

[magic oasis]

i ate some toast

[red maple]

i hope you didnt use a different toaster

[magic oasis]

it was a 4 slot toaster

[autumn field]

:toast: spinning gif

[red maple]

so it was a different toaster

[red maple]

[spare kraken]

How could you do that?

🥪

[autumn field]

[spare kraken]

Take goob
Crush between fingers.

[magic oasis]

GOOB

NOO

[red maple]

😋

[spare kraken]

Feed to toaster

[autumn field]

my discord just restarted for no reason

????

[red maple]

@spare kraken

[spare kraken]

Tea time.

[magic oasis]

@regal mulch can you please take a screenshot of the top left of the scavenger base displaying a list of crimes

i need to see it

[magic oasis]

thank you so much.

[autumn field]

fucking evilk

why would they lick doorknobs

[magic oasis]

evilk

[autumn field]

evilk is stage 2 evil

[magic oasis]

it might not be illegal on the rain world

[autumn field]

neb ur based

[warped ice]

a dubious little creature

[magic oasis]

mischevious little slugcat

[warped ice]

getting up to mischief

[magic oasis]

up to no good

https://tenor.com/view/what-has-the-dog-done-gif-24965133

ultrapeaceful

[autumn field]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sims-funny-as-hell-funny-dog-what-da-dog-doing-gif-22182887

[regal mulch]

Wtf

[magic oasis]

less ultrakill
more regular kill

yes you can it's called slidespearing

[autumn field]

moderate kill

[magic oasis]

yes you can
thrembo / 2 = thre

[spare kraken]

They're dead?
What I'm hearing is there's a slot open.

[magic oasis]

[warped ice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/708715309107904526/974595267837960212/speed-1.gif

[magic oasis]

aquaman @warped ice

[regal mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/nomai-outer-wilds-kiss-leaning-in-for-a-kiss-leaning-in-gif-26230930

[red maple]

https://tenor.com/view/run-that-gif-24757945

[magic oasis]

Whatever comes next, I do not think it is to be feared.

[spare kraken]

Get 16th'ed

[warped ice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/774258996248969266/1005201216655081553/passitdown.gif

[magic oasis]

no we use both sorry

[spare kraken]

Something somethings Scotland is British.

Now I will be hated.

[magic oasis]

this is like the exact same thing that happens every time my group's sessions starts and it makes me happy to hear a different group doing it

[spare kraken]

I know rock are ground.

[autumn field]

counterpoint:

[magic oasis]

thrᴇ

[autumn field]

thats more than half of thrembo

[magic oasis]

could also have

thrϵ
thrє

[autumn field]

thrє

true

[magic oasis]

THAT IS SO LOUD

[magic oasis]

YOU ARE ROLLING A GOLF BALL @hushed bane

[spare kraken]

I...

Foxy

W h y

So it's to hurt me specifically.

[red maple]

https://tenor.com/view/allah-muslim-islam-prayer-gif-14953927

[spare kraken]

[red maple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/982073439869345846/1004270940655464469/slugfart.gif

[spare kraken]

No, me specifically.

That's why I asked.

So that's the answer.

[red maple]

[magic oasis]

OH NO

rainworld soilers

[red maple]

spol

[magic oasis]

literal golf ball

"you can if you want, i'm not stopping you"

oh no

[magic oasis]

ar-15 mod

[spare kraken]

I'm just sad that Britain isn't named Pacman.

[red maple]

lmaooo

[magic oasis]

the delewrongwarp

reduced to atoms

WILD MAGIC???

[spare kraken]

Death to the children

[magic oasis]

juggling town

[magic oasis]

three kill

@warped ice this

[verbal ferry]

@regal mulch Is joining this in the future possible at all? Or-?

[regal mulch]

maybe yeah

[verbal ferry]

cool

[regal mulch]

Scavtelligence

[steel osprey]

i need to go for a sec

[warped ice]

scared

[steel osprey]

back

[magic oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[warped ice]

meanwhile while the fight is going on

[magic oasis]

homies :)

[warped ice]

the best of homies

contributing nothing to the Crackhead Slugcat's violence

[magic oasis]

i had to brb, what happen

[warped ice]

we killed the iterator and fed it to the rot

[magic oasis]

L

he should have just been more robust

[warped ice]

i wish we all just piled up on him and beat him to death like the scavenger that was guarding our gear earlier

[regal mulch]

Higher quality png for you

[warped ice]

comfort!

[magic oasis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933882059880030218/1004649819173818420/climing.gif

romantic dinner with the homies

[spare kraken]

It's reversed, the noodles are the ones kissing now.

[magic oasis]

EAT

after spectating this anywho

i totally would've joined lmao

but i'm not sure if not having a mic would've affected things too much

[warped ice]

i dont think having no mic would be much of an issue, roll20 has a chat built in anyway so

[magic oasis]

true

i've never really used roll20 either though, mind you