#rw memes senate
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why are we making a vote then?
Just change the channel name it'll be so much easier to solve the problem that way 
to show that people want a meme gallery
what should a meme discussion channel be called?
what?
?
rw-meme-discussion might as well be called rw-meme-shitposts
that'd be more accurate
yeah
itll be a mess
I'm not following you laura
yes
options 1 and 2 both include "replace rw-memes in its current state with a gallery and discussion..."
keep the shitposts and talk in the shitpost channel
yeah
so then its just pinning memes in a seperate channel really
same as #art-discussion and #vanilla-art-gallery★ are doing
I wasn't talking about those options
then why vote one of the two of them
we're talking about whether to do option 1 or 2
because those two are the ones voted for in the poll
I don't understand how we both are confusing each-other right now how did this happen 
if what you want is to rename #rw-meme-discussion then you can vote for that option
that's not an option though
itd be under do nothing
gar wants a discussion channel and i want to try out a discussion thread
alongside a gallery
that is not an option

it is an option to dislike the other options
I don't want any change, just a place for the high quality stuff to be stored like a gallery and for the channel name to be changed, that's not an option listed
doesn't mean "do nothing"
thatd be a starboard
would wouldve happened if that was the most voted?
we would have suggested different options probably
like renaming the channel etc etc
react with stars to a message for a bot to pin it once it reaches enough
when enough reactions in a post, the bot automatically pins it to another channel
automatic pins sounds bad
oh wait
okay no that can work?
but I still don't want that to be in a thread
no option 1 is for the discussion to be in a thread
and for the gallery to be a channel
the starboard was a thread though I thought?
oh okay
option 3 basically leaves #rw-meme-discussion untouched and adds a new channel for the starred memes
yeah
ok now that this has happened i dont think a community vote was the best idea
imagine how many people dont have the right impression of what theyre voting for
the voting stuff has been really confusing to me

i really feel like a trial period of both gallery options would be the most effective way to get everyones opinion now that a gallery is pretty decided in the poll
gotta go study now tho
cya
- rw-memes becomes a gallery with a discussion thread
- rw-memes becomes a gallery with a new channel for discussion
- rw-memes stays the same but a new channel for bot pins is added
- all the options suck
I would prefer a combo of option 2 and 3
Now there’s a 5th option
Guys listen to me listen closely
just say it
- #rw-meme-discussion allows threads but the rule is that a thread will only be posted on if there’s a link to the meme it’s discussing, and if there are off topic threads it’s our choice whether we discuss it or not
that is not a good option
I think this option keeps the channel and allows discussion as conversations are cataloged
nobody would use the theads and rwmemes would still be offtopic
We must use the threads
If that’s the case there’s o good option then
ok
if people use threads the issue would be fixed
well they won't unless we force it probably
well force it
exactly
yeah
the thread rule I stated should ideally be unwritten
but if that can’t be established make it a rule then
why
This will keep conversations in topic and allow memes to be discussed
what's th benefit of being "allowed" to make threads
they'll still go offtopic in the channel
We must have a rule with them
like I said
Unless the meme is linked don’t post in the thread
if it's "allowed" what stops anyone from not making threads
then what's the channel for
posting memes
so option 1 but with multiple threads
yes
(chaotic and bad to moderate)
Not really as thread titles allow you to keep track of discussions
@brazen parcel Can you help me
@onyx matrix He’s about to team with yellow lizard
uhhhh
however laura when you see this can you confirm or deny it'd be hard to moderate multiple threads
are you readin my messages or
You say they are hard to moderate so threads are bad?
i said having MULTIPLE THREADS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE AT ANY TIME would be difficult to keep track of
Hmmmm….true but we can just focus on active threads
hhuhh
i'm just trying to argue that havinf people be allowed to make multiple threads at any time is not a good idra
ye that
and there should not be a separate one for each discuss
which is how i'm interperting what you're trying to say @flint wagon
That’s what I wanted
discussions to be isolated
so they can be archieved
just as threads are supposed to work
basically no server uses threads
most servers don't use threads because they're yet to find alternate uses for them because user created threads are hard to moderate
we're looking at having a permanent discussion thread
So threads are a bad feature
cuz I feel like they'll work here
Okay now yellow lizard has a argument
nooooo
yes, when used as discord wants them to they are a bad feature
a channel won't have user created threads
because it suggests "MAKE A THREAD" for every reply chain
it's whether the discussion should be in a separate channel or an attached, purposemade thread channel
yeah
also 59
votes nice
feels like votes are split
we should ask a data analysist how to interpret 2 polls where voters can see the results where option 2 got 50 stray extra votes the first time and just didn't get them the second time
Hmm okay then why did discord make them?
if obviously they are a terrible feature no one uses
do you think we know
competing with different apps that have radically different userbases and purposes
but no one uses this feature so…..
Not like the dudes in charge of discord have any idea of what actually happens on their platform
As it was said before, the way they intend threads to be used is absolutely awful
To get use out of them, gotta use them differently, like option one in this vote
yeah it's definitely a gamble to see if they'd even work but I really think they would here
and it's not that risky at all
because thread message history is archived within the search of the channel it's attached to
so it'd be hella easy to switch out of using one
if need be
For now, if we take into account the votes that will be added at the end, option two still has a fat lead
Thank you
THis is why my idea is good
and it's only for this channel so...
not saying you should do this for art
(though that would be a good idea)
but....
the only good option with threads is 1
I wouldn't say threads are a bad feature when used as intended, in small servers where moderation is not too hard they can be appreciated. But that's beside the point here, this is far from being a small server.
this definitely isnt the intended use tho
this is a permanent comment space sub-channel used for discussing the images on the side of the screen, for people who have gone into the meme gallery and clicked the channer link #930258321594806342
where people whod rather not discuss memes dont even need to have it as a side bar
oh I thought there would be different threads for each meme in the gallery
otherwise making a thread instead of a channel is kinda pointless
well there are 4 points to do a thread instead of a channel 
- split screen with the gallery images, 2) people who dont want to see the discussion can have just the gallery visible (without affecting other muted channels), 3) people who dont know how to read channel descriptions wont offtopic in the discussion like happens all the time in rw-memes, 4) chat history is archived alongside the rest of #rw-meme-discussion if staff want to swap to something else in the future
I still don't think the fact it's a thread actually will avoid off-topic because it's gonna be treated by most people like it is its own channel regardless of split screen
At least i think
I don't think that'll happen less, but i may be wrong about that
Hard to predict people's behavior
yeah
i feel like the benefits of a thread over a channel could be a lot less understated tho
To me the only real big benefit is the split screen
The hiding thing is imo extremely minor
The off-topic we shall see i guess (assuming it gets chosen, which for now it seems like it's losing)
But the switching possibility does make it risk free to try
people dont know how they work or trust them so we arent gonna be able to try them out
Seems like the way it's currently going yeah
yeaaa
its a shame cuz if staff organised to try out each option for a period of time people might see that they arent so bad
The way discord presents threads they just look like discount channels or glorified reply chains
Which makes all of its potential benefits unknown because it doesn't even look like it's worth discovering at first
yea
i mean we have a solid base of people whod be interested to try it out
just -70 cuz of the weird poll stuff
Before this specific thread we're talking in was created i was also considering threads as pointless but now i see their potential as channel extensions thanks to splitscreen
yea
Personnally i voted red and yellow because both are really similar
yeah
when yellow gets voted in, my bet is on that the channel is spammy and goes offtopic really often, and staff end up making it into a misc-spoilers channel and moving it to the community tab cuz itd work better there
then maybe ill ask for a meme discussion thread and itll be as if we tried them out from this poll
I don't think it would be worse than current meme channel
well the point is for it to be better
itd be the same as the current meme channel but without any of the original memes
We'll see ig
yea
i do wonder about this tbh lol
why is it that the saturday rain world main userbase contains 50 fewer voters of
than the friday userbase
And then plot twist
White gets a fuckton of votes from nowhere on last day and wins
ikr
now that I've been using it I actually don't even like the split screen it (inconsistently??) goes to the bottom when there are new messages instead of starting at the top of them which is really annoying and makes it harder to notice there are new messages
I'm curious of what kind of meme discussion would you want to happen ? Like brainstorming ideas?
by offtopic i mean literally not about rain world
this sorta thing
people fundimentally misunderstanding the purpose of the channel and having to be told by mods
bad job
or are u referring to the offtopic posters in the image
idk what an offtopic poster is
Vote for offtopic post

can meme channel have a starboard anyway because not nearly enough good memes get pinned
#unvoteoption2
starboard would be nice. A meme getting pinned when it has between 10-30 or so pin reactions seems like a flip of a die
it's a shame because it relies on the meme not getting instantly buried under conversation, which happens sometimes
good thing they made mobile threads usable
opitom1 good 
rain world politics
we need a lawyer/attorney slug emote
lets call it court cat
sadly we're out of emote slots
I demand more emote slots 
level 4 boosted discord server
wildin
wacky wild world
My problem with keeping the previous votes is that people who voted in the past can’t change thier vote
Well they can vote again to compensate slightly
Option 5, I demand it
also i just noticed
threads are currently bugged for me
even if i had them muted they still show me the bar for "new message" when i scroll down the server channel list
you can close them to no longer see from them
that's not the point
then you can click the "mark as read" button on that blue bar and it goes away
it doesn't show as lit up on the channel list when there are messages but it's muted
Looks like we win
Vote 5
Vote 10
looks like 85-70-35 to me
yeaaa
but sadly 70 stray extra votes are going to option 2 that havent been revoted post-reset
sussy to me
Options 1 fans be like: some of you may find threads glitchy or broken, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
Options 2 fans be like: I find threads glitchy and broken and I am unwilling to update discord on my phone
True
Option 1 fans out here with infinite cell data and internet connectivity. Some of us live out in the woods
2 party system smh
1 party system. We are just anti-reddit thread
genuinely gotta form a 1-2 coalition at this point
cuz the first day of the vote showed 2, the rest of the vote post reset is showing 1
yeah
and everyone knows
because thinking is hard but being dragged arround is very easy
2 separate polls where everyone can see the current votes leading to 80 extra votes for an option one of the times but not the other
like direct proof of the snowball effect, and really shows that the active community are split on whether to use a thread or channel
so staff should definitely try out each one for a set period of time
ok. since not the same amount of ppl voted in every poll, could we use percentages instead of numbers when mixing both polls datta?

if we count the flat difference that would be arround 70+ for option 2
meanwhile if we count the percentage difference (arround50%) is just arround 40+ for option 2
both polls had different amounts of ppl participating
idk which one is more "mathematicly fair"
If at the end there's a big difference, it won't matter
the issue is at the end of this poll its clear that after 6 days on a fresh reset, the vote is pretty tied
which strongly implies snowballing affected the first day worth of voting
in the future a voting bot should be used that hides peoples votes
itd solve all these problems
itd feel like a far fairer vote no matter which wins
How to make a meme channel: Josbird - i feel like making now boop
How to split a meme channel: Over 4 months in critical decision thinking, the council creates a senate of the finest minds in the community, a democratic vote was formed. The countless minds discuss its final ultimatum. Included a catastrophic incident, comparable to a scandal, where ballets were sent to the void, never to know who it belongs to. It is a most interesting time of all events.
don't forget the catastrophic ballot loss and subsequent suspicious reset of the vote
👍
i just really hope staff dont ignore that the 2 essentially separate voting opportunities turned out completely differently from each other
I just wish the mods did what they think is best
so we wouldnt have all this nonsense politics
^
yea lol
i wish the mods had just had a discussion with the community and decided on what to do rather than a week long poll lol
democracy is lame
also, would staff consider the previous vote tho or is it gonna be totally dismissed?
Gunna be included in total
sadly
democracy is cool when you have INFORMED voters
this is an issue, as people with a lack of knowledge about the system will do what "feels right"
i think that results in:
option 1 is second most popular because people like the format but don't know enough about threads to know whether to choose it
option 2 is most popular because it's the most familiar format to everyone in the community tab
option 3 i would argue is basically a better version of what we have now. i would like to have an improved experience that still has the same "vibe" as what we currently have
option 4 is self-explanatory. people won't vote for it because the entire reason for the poll is that most people would agree the channel needs to change
(i still want an option 5)
Option 5 is to nuke memes and use the reddit
yeah democracy suffers multiple stab wounds from misinformation and lack of education
let's face it. the reddit would be dead without the people that don't realize the discord exists
I wouldn’t know i dont use reddit, is for for motherless 😤
dam politics
we use rng now
no more rw memes
this is rw politics
death to poll of ticks
Time for a dictatorship then
Option 4 shall be decided by the staff : no more memes
Easiest to moderate
rigged vote i got no proof but also no doubt 
hell naw not reddit
True
wait what is this about?
check out #server-announcements
ah I see
I voted yellow lizard
rise, bretheren
yeah, thats the point of them

to work together
have you considered that threads could work? they generally arent too good or easy to moderate when created by users, but a permanent meme-discussion thread alongside the gallery could be great
💪 
Politics is the greatest meme this channel has to offer.
red liz is already on sale in nft store
there are like 8 different yellows on sale tho smh
and people cant even agree between calling them orange and yellow
cringe lizard
fear

well i mean we have it for artwork, and it would also maybe be more accessible? sooo
its got my vote
understandable
im goin for split screen and more user channel list choice
since i tend to moderate current #rw-meme-discussion im hoping a thread will be a bit less offtopic (non-rainworldy) too
but I can see why people would vote red too, heck, I almost voted red.
lol yea
but I feel yellow might be better for reasons stated above
although its just my opinion, feel free to vote for anything you want
im not gonna stop you if you vote red
whats up with the emote spam on my previous message?
im trying to counter jam lol
oh alr
WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE
lol
gang unite
yknow you can change your vote at any point and vote for as many options as you want :3
and theres a bunch of reasons threads could work really well here ;3

not in the slightest
ik, its just that I already made up my mind
misinformation campaign smh
ikr people pretending threads dont have pins, searches and mobile support
all lies

threads are great
why is all flooded with yellow lizards?
because jam is jaming
Ban #930258321594806342 too much political stuff, breaking rule 4 smh
Reposted by yellow liz gang
vote 
I, the founder of this channel. Jam myself. Will forever bless those who present a yellow liz reaction. Ascend from the pits of the red reddit liz. Ascend to the yellow ichorborne heavens and claim your throne.

We have steak tacos too
what if I don't like tacos 
Founder of the THREAD you say. #vote 
You goofed up
the only thread this server has had has been full of constant arguing, drama, and disagreements. how do we know the new memes thread wont be the same???? 
0 drama and arguing, now it’s WAR
The red redditors will be defeated
yellowdittors
so there's going to have a third and last turn or what
nah at the end of the original week poll length staff will decide based on the results
welp
I have a solution
If we make enough alts…
This vote was rigged from the start
Remove the previous votes
Yeah we can’t tell if they were botted
Just clear option 1 and option 4 votes then make a 3rd poll
Option 6 is to delete discussion and only have a meme gallery
yea

day 22 of rw memes election campaigns
lynched a cyan-31 voter last night, it was fun
option 2 voters when it turns out they’re now 3 votes ahead if you ignore the 65 vote lead yellow has before the reset
option 2 is like 13 behind for me
I'm getting annoyed that i still get a notification from this muted channel
wdym a notification?
type something in, i will show you
test
weird
discord is buggy
threads buggy
i feel like the threads aren't supposed to be muted
it just feel wrong to have an entire channel that already has a ton of conversations in it mind you changed to gallery and making a new "channel" for talking
plus threads aren't supposed to be replacing an entire channel, they are more of a offtopic option if 2 conversations appear in one chat
also, if the option 2 would be considered i would change the name to rw-meme-talk instead of discussion
plus what was the upsides to using threads again?
split screen for both channels and...
@brazen parcel can you remind me?
these
I've had problems with the NEW UNREADS thing for normal channels before tho tbh
i've accepted we're probably not winning
and at this point, i just want change
since whether it's a channel or a thread it's going to happen
torbie you sound like a defeated army general
what
Ok threads are not going to win but threads are the exact same thing as channels except you CAN hide them you can split them and they are attached to the channel they are for there are no downsides that they don’t share with channels. So what’s wrong with them. In this case threads are objectively the best option
yeah
i think enough people are vocally against threads that it just kinda snowballed into 1 wack vote and 1 notquiteenough vote for the staff to just ignore the bunch of peoples want for them
And if someone has the problem where the thread doesn’t automatically show up. The staff could get a bot to keep the message at the bottom of the channel.
true, and #930258321594806342 could be in the gallery description anyway
I invite anyone to tell me what’s wrong with threads
And don’t just say “it’s bad” tell me WHY it’s bad
inaccessibility, but allowing people who dont read descriptions into a discussion for a gallery where people should be staying on topic isnt the best idea
Yeah but a channel probably is even worse for getting off topic
exactly yeah
the slight inaccessibility would help moderators keep the channel on topic
and some people assume threads suck because they arent good for their "intended purpose" of users creating them whenever
but like thats not whats being asked for
If someone wants off topic go down litterally 5 channels to this neat place called #misc-pan-chat
other flaws uhhhhhhhhh
people are unfamiliar with how they work so it might take them a second and thats bad because uhhhhhhhhhhh
The human attention span is truly a wonder

That’s the problem with option 2 but yeah
True
ok 1 flaw of threads is that the search in the thread is for the combined channel and thread
Yes but gallery won’t have msgs
but i think thats fine because the channel will be a gallery yeah
otherwise threads have pins in just the same way as a channel
More people need to see this chat
one percieved flaw is that 144 people voted against threads but im certain that the first day of polling suffered a lot from the snowball effect
The beginning of it all
or people just liked option 2 more
because the vote was reset and left to everyone to vote again and a completely different outcome happened
so clearly people didnt just like option 2 more
theres clearly a lot of missing re-votes
I don’t think people read that long msg and just decided to vote the most popular thing
why would they be missing then
and why would only
votes be missing
(if they arent just snowball votes)
people didnt feel like voting again or havent looked at the announcement
a new message was sent in #server-announcements and the numbers were set to 0
why would only
people choose not to vote again
if it wasnt that they actually didnt mind so much about the outcome
i.e. snowball votes
Yeah
one could argue that red is getting snowball votes rn 
true
No
so the vote should be redone without people being able to see the number
OR staff could do a trial period of each option
Or google forums
i just dont think adding 80 to the yellow votes is going to satisfy the community here
there are probably discord poll bots that hide the reaction totals
if staff dont want to use external votes
I guess
anyway, im not about to be confrontational about it
itll just be a shame
given yeah, there arent really more downsides to threads than channels, if any
and the upsides to threads are awesome and interesting
lol i was against threads too at first
then i thought it through
… people don’t tend to like thinking much
Trueee
yeaa most of peoples arguments against my asking for threads have been "but how do you KNOW people will be less offtopic", "people will still be some amount offtopic so you're wrong" and "well if we make this a thread we'll have to make THIS and THAT a thread too, its a slippery slope"
or just "there arent THAT many benefits to threads"
or of course "theyre just broken and bad"
during my time in this chat i havent really seen that they were broken
me neither
misinformation
i do a lot of thread stuff on mobile too and it works great
or rumours
yeah in fact most of the time ive been in this chat i have been on mobile
it works (perfectly) well
i made a meme https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kybhMNJ-BmOqI98RRKtDqRwyys5JbExNz_DEnplI8Dg/edit?usp=sharing
Request to discard the voting figures for this week’s rwmain polland either: Conduct a poll under conditions where users cannot see the current results (strawpoll, google forums, a discord poll bot) Carry out a trial period of each option (3 days with a gallery and thread discussion and 3 days w...
for signatures yknow
just to guage interest
👍
Pollmaster moment
snowball effect issue
we should simply make a poll with hidden results until the end
Staff is literally dead, it has been like a week
lol
Option 1 fans when people have a different choice than them (highly illegal(delete all votes and start again))
option 1 is currently winning in poll 2
Indeed
But option 2 is winning overall
I like yellow lizards which is why I voted for option 2 
let's all vote 
best option is no option
option best option
Gar channel (only gar memes are Allowed or else baned)
you raise a strong point, I’m convinced
#spoil-block🦇💥 channel 🇧🇷
#modding-quick-support is where danish people go (cringe)
Anyway, I’d be fine with option 1 winning since both 1 and 2 are practically identical, but I still see no reason to try the thread system when ive seen much more thread complaints than channel complaints
Though to be fair #modding-quick-support is a channel and that’s where souls go to die so perhaps the time of the channel is over
I've stopped caring about the poll I just want a discussion channel/thread
please mods end it
lore discussion:
RainWorldFan7789: uhh iterator uhh purposed organism
sluggrug88: no you idiot please shut up you are the worst
sluggrug88 has been banned from rain world discord for sending death threats over an argument on how five pebbles antenna functions
sluggrug88 in satellite discord servers: gwyn should be unmodde d
d
this went from a stinky trash container to a stinky trash container on fire rolling down the street into an old woman
democracy issue
if any staff see this: please close this thread and just create a gallery meme channel
lol yeah
would be a power play from staff to just not create a discussion anything
welp, when ppl isnt happy can you blame them for fighting for what they believe in? im pretty sure taking over the city and executing the king in 1789 was also pretty ilegal 

lmao what
though if they make a channel, turn #rw-meme-discussion into the discussion channel. That way we get 50 new pin slots for memes!

- a fully clean channel history
omg, smart move
rain world memes pins at the moment are all memes already is the thing
option 1 is option 2 with extra steps
but that doesen't matter
really
having a basis in already posted memes will help people only post memes
which is why we need a new channel for gallery
and passel already unpins so we have as many pins as needed
a clean history of memes so people don't think it's a discussion channel
if #rw-meme-discussion becomes the discussion then the pins will start to move slower and so the pins from that channel in the buffer 50 wont be put into #pins at the same rate
also staff can do this
for like "only image posts below this point"
easy enough and it doesnt completely remove the ability to consider having a thread
Archiving thread now, we'll tally up the votes tomorrow & go on from there, any future discussion about the format can go either in the relevant thread/channel (starboard seems to be a bit too far behind to catch up at this point aha) or in #misc-pan-chat
Thanks for participating everyone
this was our first community vote in quite a long time and we've definitely learned a lot from it. In the future we'll probably use a bot for voting so reactions aren't visible & so that vote loss is less of a risk from random outages.





