rw memes senate

[teal pawn]

We need a slugcat moyai

[undone totem]

Hello everyone, us snaff have been discussing the possibility of improving rw-memes by possibly changing the channel into a gallery, or maybe implementing starboard for pinning memes. Currently, we're experiencing a lot of issues like high-effort memes getting buried by discussion and off-topic posting. We would like to hear any thoughts/ideas/discussion/concerns from the community before moving forward with any ideas

[teal pawn]

Starboard would be good I think

[spiral monolith]

Just to say as well that we're planning to hold a full community vote in announcements before actually making any changes, this is just a good chance to get your ideas across, say what you think, share any examples in other servers etc

[teal pawn]

In the risk of rain 2 discord it’s a gallery with a separate discussion channel and that works very well for them

[brazen parcel]

my vote is for a gallery channel that allows only rainworld-related original edited content and no discussion

discussion can be done in #vanilla-spoilers or possible a second discussion channer to lessen the load (theres always #vc-rules and #scav-gaming to dick around in too tho)

as long as the things posted are related to rain world and have some form of editing effort, the gallery would work imo, based on the good things i see in #rw-meme-discussion at the mo

[swift parrot]

I think this is a good idea 👍

[teal pawn]

I think starboard is a good idea

My vote goes to starboard

[spiral monolith]

Is that this mint?

[teal pawn]

Yes !!!!

That exactly

[swift parrot]

Or maybe somehow would it be able to use threads to discuss memes

[teal pawn]

That might get out of hand very quickly tho

[granite hawk]

[swift parrot]

Yeah

[spiral monolith]

(using a thread for discussion is an interesting idea :o)

[granite hawk]

hello chat i saw a thread and now i know the topic i am here now

[brazen parcel]

i feel like a lot of meme discussion tends to become rambly and long so itd probably do better in a channer rather than threads

[swift parrot]

Fair

[brazen parcel]

but maybe it being in threads would increase its focus

[quick marsh]

archive the channel entirely and force everyone to post memes on reddit to bump productive activity in that miserable pile

[brazen parcel]

either way id probably rather people be able to post memes in a channer with no talking

[granite hawk]

nooo not reddit

[spiral monolith]

(could also just be in one thread?)

[undone totem]

I feel like a gallery may encourage people to make more higher-quality memes since they wont be getting buried by discussion/off-topic stuff whereas with starboard memes can still get buried along with the fact that they'll just get sent to a pins channel which just isnt chcecked as frequently as meme channels

[teal pawn]

[undone totem]

a lot of successful meme galleries I've seen have people simply using emote reacts on messages and people really enjoy doing that along with having lots of reacts on their post

[brazen parcel]

imo a gallery would prevent rambly semi-relevant discussion, large off-topic images, and spam repost-chains

all of that would be great to have purged off the face of the server

[teal pawn]

(Can’t wait for femboy pebbles to go into the gallery )

[swift parrot]

React spamming though?

[granite hawk]

so like
a misc chat with only dumb images and videos

[quick marsh]

thread perms are messy and you can't separately search in a specific thread

[undone totem]

?

[quick marsh]

also, you don't see a thread until you join it

[granite hawk]

my brain is smooth

[undone totem]

wrong message sorry

[brazen parcel]

ahh yeah

[undone totem]

?

[swift parrot]

Bots could auto start one every time

[granite hawk]

slowdown in misc chat

[swift parrot]

Idk

[brazen parcel]

rain world related dumb images and videos with the requirement of at least the tiniest bit of editing in some way, be it making a gif, adding text, or full on video editing etc

[undone totem]

threads would be pretty messy and hard to moderate yeah

[swift parrot]

Maybe just one thread would be good

[teal pawn]

Or just

Another channel

[granite hawk]

fair

[quick marsh]

i had problem with people not seeing threads in a server with like 20 active members, it would definitely be a problem here

[brazen parcel]

#vanilla-spoilers and #vanilla-spoilers-but-less-directed-and-sorta-memey and #rw-meme-gallery

[granite hawk]

it's getting more memey ngl

[quick marsh]

hk-offtopic much?

[granite hawk]

sometimes we get off-topic

[spiral monolith]

we have heard Things about hk offtopic

[quick marsh]

it's not very good

[spiral monolith]

me when beans

[swift parrot]

Yeah but I feel like then spoilers would be used much less

[granite hawk]

o

[spiral monolith]

if original memes are going in a gallery channel then any leftover discussion/reposts probably wouldn't be super er "important" so nesting it in a permanent thread wouldn't be an awful idea?

[brazen parcel]

i buy it

[spiral monolith]

less work for us and more relaxed for its users

[brazen parcel]

because thatd let people sorta opt out of seeing that there is discussion to be had if theyd rather just the memes

[swift parrot]

Yeah

[brazen parcel]

and it would differentiate the discussion thread from regular #vanilla-spoilers

[spiral monolith]

(would also encourage posting in meme gallery first of all?)

[quick marsh]

it's like an even mix of every other channel in small portions
and considering how specific channel tastes vary from strawberry to mint to chicken bone to charcoal, the result is barely digestible

[spiral monolith]

lol good analogy

[granite hawk]

wouldn't it be hard to moderate a thread
threads don't have rules like actual channels
and wouldn't one of the server staff have to stare at the thread and hope nobody does something dumb

oh my lord i wrote a paragraph

[spiral monolith]

well bots are active in threads, search results work the same

[quick marsh]

also a lot of bots still don't support threads

[spiral monolith]

oh dyno does

[quick marsh]

oh lucky

[spiral monolith]

?rat

[quick marsh]

carl still ignores them

[quick marsh]

[brazen parcel]

(also staff already have to stare at every channer and hope nobody does something dumb :,) )

[spiral monolith]

:>

[granite hawk]

mission accomplished

[swift parrot]

Misc chat only command?

[undone totem]

if we absolutely need a discussion, I'd rather there be a proper channel instead of a thread tbh

[spiral monolith]

what would you say the benefits are over a thread?

[swift parrot]

It’s connected to the channel

[undone totem]

threads just arent as appealing to use imo and a bit gimmicky

[spiral monolith]

that's cool I like that meme

[brazen parcel]

i like the meme too

[spiral monolith]

you can use it like a sorta rolling-livechat which as you say glo might be gimmicky

it is an option

[brazen parcel]

my spamming of it over and over and over will now be confined to this channer :)

[granite hawk]

channer

[brazen parcel]

im sold on threads

[swift parrot]

You could try both and see how it goes?

[undone totem]

we do have a lot of channel clutter in the server already though, so the question would be is it worth it to create an additional discussion channel?

[brazen parcel]

rw-spoilers-but-less-directed-and-sorta-memey sounds like itd be heck

[undone totem]

or perhaps repurpose another channel if we wanted to go that route

[spiral monolith]

that'd be my reservation about a new channel entirely

[granite hawk]

what would the new channer be about

[spiral monolith]

especially since it might create confusion for new members

er, u discuss the memes in the meme gallery and u can repost memes and such

u can be silly in it

[granite hawk]

o

[quick marsh]

just add 10 more opt-in roles to selectively view any categories 👍

[spiral monolith]

scrom I hate opt in roles they break our security system

[granite hawk]

keep security

[undone totem]

we can combine meme discussion with misc chat and make misc chat the off-topic + spoiler channel that people have always wanted

[swift parrot]

Yeah but the staff still have to moderate them

Right?

[brazen parcel]

my hope would be:

#rw-meme-gallery - any edited (funny) rain world media, posted once by the person who made it
\_ #meme-discussion (thread) - any discussion about any memes in the gallery, same rules as #vanilla-spoilers but less used because its a thread

[swift parrot]

Yeah

[quick marsh]

ok but people are going to miss it and talk in gallery anyways because half of the users can't read channel descriptions

[brazen parcel]

it can have a big yellow role

[spiral monolith]

gotta have a big yellow role

[swift parrot]

Trueeee

[unreal bough]

well, still would like a general meme channel that allows spoilers

[brazen parcel]

<@&896155972496670763>

[granite hawk]

big yellow text grabs your attention

[spiral monolith]

you'd definitely have a transition period for a new gallery channel

we have to moderate the current gallery channels sooooooooooo rarely

[burnt grove]

I think its good as is, but that's just me

[unreal bough]

because the community is good

[granite hawk]

more server staff (real)

[spiral monolith]

it might take a while but in the long term we would- yeah this community self moderates so well

it would even out in the long term

[brazen parcel]

itd be nice that the thread would be closeable too so you could completely ignore the discussion and just see the memes

[quick marsh]

they are

[brazen parcel]

yes

thats what i mean

[spiral monolith]

one thing I'll say in terms of self moderating is that it doesn't seem to work too well for #rw-meme-discussion , we have to remove off topic memes every day, usually 1 or 2 minimum

[quick marsh]

oh i read "that" as "if"

[brazen parcel]

itd be nice (if it were a thread) that i could close it

[spiral monolith]

so we've been feeling like either the rules or the format is broken since we keep having to fight against it, it takes a lot of work & it doesn't "balance" naturally, like art gallery / art discussion does

[quick marsh]

4 am gaming

[brazen parcel]

epic 1am moment

[granite hawk]

more server staff (real moment) (3am challenge)

[swift parrot]

…

[granite hawk]

[brazen parcel]

anyway my input is the only good input so if staff havent implimented it by the morning ill cry and such and all that yknow

[knotty zinc]

meme gallery time???

[spiral monolith]

darthzz give opinions and input

useful

[knotty zinc]

i mean im not entirely opposed to the idea of a meme gallery personally

could there be a poll for it perhaps?

[spiral monolith]

yea we'll definitely do a proper vote

[brazen parcel]

i think itll mostly come down to "whats allowed in there" and "where will everyone discuss whats in there"

[quick marsh]

here comes the suggestion to rig the poll

[swift parrot]

Rig the poll

[spiral monolith]

strawpoll + incognito mode = democracy

[brazen parcel]

suspiciously 30,000 votes

[granite hawk]

30,000 polls

[knotty zinc]

rig the poll with #scav-gallery

[quick marsh]

the entire scav population of Mast suddenly decides to participate

[granite hawk]

then the scav population of gw comes along

(fear)

[quick marsh]

actually now that i think of it you could solve the visibility issue by putting like a 60s cooldown on meme gallery and having a bot auto add every new poster to the thread

[shy raven]

That would be pretty good, though of course I'd think that repost/Stealing memes would be a bit of an issue

[quick marsh]

that'd prooobably take a constant uptime custom bot tho

[brazen parcel]

i feel like the community could help manage that sorta like happens in art and modding at the mo tho

but yeah always a problem in galleries

[quick marsh]

we need another casheww

[spiral monolith]

(12)

[brazen parcel]

i think if memes were in a gallery rather than all throughout a big discussion itd help tell apart reports / steals

[shy raven]

Fair

I just hope something doesn't happen where someone post a meme that doesn't belong to them, then the person who made it post it and then gets into a bit of trouble
Since someone's some people might want to post memes from the subreddit for example

[spiral monolith]

ohh yea crossposting could happen for sure

[brazen parcel]

i spose when there are reposts in a discussion it is easier to correct people right where the post was made rather than in a gallery where you have to alert people elsewhere

[spiral monolith]

we'd probably ask people to credit if posting from elsewhere?

[swift parrot]

Yeah!

[brazen parcel]

credit with an actual @ would be nice

[spiral monolith]

mm, memes are seen as pretty free but for a gallery you do want that credit given, the endless reposts would belong in a discussion channel/thread (if that was the community consensus)

[brazen parcel]

yeah

[swift parrot]

Well that might be a bit of a problem. Because some peoples names are different on other platforms

[brazen parcel]

true

[shy raven]

If a gallery is made, I assume #rw-meme-discussion will be archived or smth?

[brazen parcel]

well i spose id rather get to post all the gifs ive made eventually but im not gonna post them all at once the moment the channer exists

[swift parrot]

Or (if you can’t credit them then don’t post it)

[spiral monolith]

(oh we'd just repurpose it :D)

upcycled

[quick marsh]

rw-shitpost-spam

[spiral monolith]

save on e-waste

[undone totem]

the entire message history of rw-memes would remain, the future posts in the channel would be different though

[shy raven]

Alrighty

[spiral monolith]

do you have any thoughts on what you'd like to see for a discussion channel flora?

a thread, a separate channel, if at all?

[brazen parcel]

a feel like a clause of "only post something you have edited together yourself" for the gallery would work well enough for keeping spam and stealing out

[shy raven]

I'd say a thread, but a separate channel couldn't hurt either really
Though is there any downsides to having one over the other?

[undone totem]

reposts, memes not originated by you, and other stuff could go in the discussion channel

[brazen parcel]

yeah

[undone totem]

which could be a repurposed misc-chat

[spiral monolith]

bet you still get people talking in it

bet

[quick marsh]

yeah

absolutely

arms race against idiots is futile

[undone totem]

my idea is to move rw-memes into the community section, relabeling it as a gallery, and change misc-chat into a meme-discussion/misc channel

[shy raven]

I don't think channel clog would be a super big issue if a channel was made over a thread since there is always this

Or perhaps if it gets really bad then more categories and stuff could be made

[teal pawn]

Misc chat will always be misc chat

And honestly misc chat is whatever it wants to be

[undone totem]

misc chat would be the same, just with the addition of spoilers (which is something a lot of people have wanted) and the discussion traffic from the current #rw-meme-discussion

downsides being misc would be slightly more chaotic but I dont think it'd be too much for the channel

[teal pawn]

Misc chat is already chaos

Won’t really change much

[undone totem]

Exactly.

[teal pawn]

And I can finally talk about how stupid 5p is

[undone totem]

misc is the black hole that absorbs any and all chaos

[teal pawn]

Mischievous chatter

[knotty zinc]

misc chat is the alleyway of the server

[teal pawn]

[quick marsh]

if all else fails, replace meme channel with counting channel

[knotty zinc]

full of grime, debris and hooligans

[knotty zinc]

one word stories channel

[teal pawn]

Vile and mischievous in nature

(And cute cats)

[quick marsh]

i shit you not

[knotty zinc]

[swift parrot]

Misc chat is honestly probably the most used channel

[knotty zinc]

it is a land of opportunity

[teal pawn]

The the only channel I’m active in

[knotty zinc]

i think the idea of merging meme discussion into misc chat is interesting, turning it into more of a wilderness than it is

[swift parrot]

Yeah

[knotty zinc]

[swift parrot]

Makes sense

How about spoilers

[quick marsh]

1.9 mil

[knotty zinc]

although on the other hand, new people who join tend to want to meme too

wont be able to do that unless they dont care about spoilers lol

[undone totem]

spoilers would be allowed in this proposed repurposed misc-chat

[swift parrot]

I was talking about how many msg it had

[undone totem]

o

[swift parrot]

But that’s a bit off topic so

[teal pawn]

Tad bit off

[knotty zinc]

a smidge of veering

[teal pawn]

The topic in question has veered off of the intended topic by the slightest amount

[sage saffron]

rw-meme-gallery was predicted many moons ago

ofc make it

but #rw-meme-discussion would stay as it is

as basically from day one of #rw-meme-discussion channel it was just hard to actually gather all of the rw memes in one place

basically copy art channels but for memes

[cunning loom]

why don't we just create a #meme-gallery and #meme-discussion category

or if that makes no sense, why not make a #misc- (or general-) spoilers channel so that we can basically have:

• #vanilla-spoilers becomes a channel for discussion of the game and for helping people with hunter mode and other post-first completion stuff, mostly similar to how it works now
• #rw-meme-discussion becomes a meme source channel
• the "general-spoilers" channel becomes basically misc-chat but allowing spoiler content

[somber creek]

So there would be a general chat for new players and a spoiler version for those who finished?

And they'd take the job of current rw memes chat

[torpid pecan]

Rw spoilers mostly works as a spoilery general maybe

[static thunder]

i literally asked for this a lomg time ago, not sure why this server doesnt have one yet tho

[static thunder]

so, couldnt we have a #meme-gallery similar to #pins but for only memes?

[onyx matrix]

meme gallery and discussion would be nice but i'd prefer they both be channels

this isnt about rwmemes but i still think we need a general-spoilers and/or misc-spoilers so people stop going offtopic

[brazen parcel]

I don't think making #misc-pan-chat spoilery and keeping it in community would work because people will see it as working like other misc chats and get themselves spoiled, or if it's not called misc chat people will want a misc chat they can go to before beating the game

#misc-pan-chat is hella active with people who haven't beat the game yet

offtopic happening in #vanilla-spoilers and #rw-meme-discussion is a huge problem nowerdays tho but there's already a solution, people can just move to #offtopic-agenderal, #misc-pan-chat, #vc-rules or #scav-gaming. the issue recently is that people don't do that

[onyx matrix]

i've tried getting people to move to outskirts/warehouse but it doesn't work

[brazen parcel]

there's the problem that #rw-meme-discussion being a meme channel inherently breeds offtopic, but I feel like that'd be solved by having the discussion channer be a thread attached to the gallery

[onyx matrix]

or you could allow offtopic in rwmemes but then it might just get flooded by offtopic

which would not be good for people actually making rw memes

[brazen parcel]

it already is because theres enough offtopic that staff don't delete and warn wrt it much

and yeah that'd be hell lol

so I feel like the best option is still a gallery and thread

[onyx matrix]

why not a channel

wouldn't people with old discord versions on mobile not be able to access the thread i can't test that

[brazen parcel]

it's a lot easier to close the thread and automatically not have to see it, without hiding all other muted channers

also on desktop it's really nice to see this discussion next to the gallery

[onyx matrix]

why that for meme discussion specifically

[brazen parcel]

also it reminds that the discussion is based around the gallery, so I feel like people would not get off topic

[brazen parcel]

I don't look at art discussion enough to know whether it'd also benefit

[onyx matrix]

i just feel like it kills a bit of the essence of rwmemes to make a separate gallery and discussion but that's my unprofessional bad opinion

[brazen parcel]

what's the essence of rw-memes at the mo?

I guess it's that whole debate of whether staff should be letting the community do what they tend to be doing, or restrict that if they feel it'd improve the experience of people consistently contributing to the game

channers like #offtopic-agenderal and #misc-pan-chat exist because increasing the community feeling makes it a nicer place to be, but I feel like that should remain in service of encouraging newcomers and oldcomers to create stuff about the game

[onyx matrix]

well, just, restricting rwmemes i feel like makes it less of a meme channel

since to me those work best if people can react to the memes in the channel directly

[brazen parcel]

I only ever see reactions to memes in-channel cause the meme to get buried, and swing way offtopic fast

[onyx matrix]

fair

and about the moving to #vc-rules or #scav-gaming thing, i think people would do it more if they were acknowledged more as channels where you can be both ontopic and offtopic instead of just the voice channels but that's purely something that server members would have to work on (and that includes me)

[brazen parcel]

that could be helpful yeah

it probably doesn't help that they're right at the bottom too

hard to position offtopic spoilery channers in the server list tbh

[onyx matrix]

😔

that's fair

[brazen parcel]

staff pls come up with some magic answer pls thx

[onyx matrix]

just make 14 new channels easy

[static thunder]

So

we cant involve #misc-pan-chat into this, is literally the blank card of channels

[sage saffron]

basically
don't change
just add

[static thunder]

yep

so..

couldnt we just have 2 meme chats? 1 with comments and 1 for the images only?

[sage saffron]

just like #vanilla-art-gallery★ and #art-discussion basically

[static thunder]

[somber creek]

I'd argue it'd be better to keep rw memes disc as its seperate channel, if you don't want to see it you can just hide it and besides i feel like having a thread would encourage posting regular messages in gallery
Like
If you don't know what's going on, and see this channel with a thread you can talk in, you could assume you can talk in gallery

Having it be its own channel i think is better to mark the seperation like current art gallery and disc

[brazen parcel]

the channer would have a big yellow role and would be called gallery

<@&896155972496670763>

also you cant hide a channel while keeping other muted channels not hidden

[somber creek]

True, but is it really bad?
I don't think there's enough channels that having a new one would clog anything
You could have the channel muted and still show and it wouldn't clog i feel

[brazen parcel]

also its really easy to ping notify people if theyve talked in a gallery

the benefits of having a thread outweigh the benefits of having a channer imo

its so clear as discussion about whats going on on the left this way

[swift parrot]

Yeah

[somber creek]

There's another thing
If we create a new channel for the art gallery we can keep current rw memes channel with just a new name
If we do it a thread we have to either make this current channel into the gallery and it'll be weird to just transition like that
Or nuke/archive current memes in favor lf a thread
Which isn't really that bad but still

[brazen parcel]

i think turning this into a gallery wont be too bad, staff are good at doing big wedges into the channer saying "this above that below"

plus a rename and description change

and BIG YELLOW ROLE :D

<@&896158119661539328>

[somber creek]

Yeah it'd work ig

[brazen parcel]

rw memedia posts only

[somber creek]

Also i have to say this is the first time i encounter a useful way to use threads
Never thought i'd see the day

[static thunder]

i mean

so

[somber creek]

For now i'd say the best option in general is just have a new seperation between meme gallery and disc (be it thread or new channel) and leave all other channels as is

Keeping things simple

[static thunder]

How about:
#rw-meme-discussion remains just like it is already, and creating an additional channel to store pure meme images, Gifs and Videos, Either creating a bot that moves a copy of the memes to the gallery channel, An authorized person moves most memes there (however this comes close to slavery lol) or simply having people posting their memes in the gallery if they want to store it, this would make ppl need to post the memes twice tho

any of the sollutions are perfect

[somber creek]

Feel like that's a bit convoluted

[static thunder]

we either need:
-A bot that sends the memes to the gallery
-A slave (i mean, a authorized figure who moves most of the memes there)
-People having to post the memes twice if they want to be in both channels

so yeah, nothing pefect

[somber creek]

Why not just have a classic gallery and disc

Without the need for a bot and stuff

[static thunder]

i feel like being able to reply to the memes. right below it is pretty nice, However this makes #rw-meme-discussion unefficient if you just want to check for memes

thats why simply storing the memes in a 2nd channel would be the sollution

we just need a way to move the memes there without issues

[onyx matrix]

jevmen said it best

and what if your meme is a copypasta but rw version

[somber creek]

Well
A gallery in which people can choose to put their memes in if they wish

I feel like being able to freely post your meme in both does the job

[brazen parcel]

yeah i agree

[brazen parcel]

no i disagree

as long as the "meme content" for the gallery is

1. edited (into existence) by the poster and 2) media (images, gifs, song mashups, videos, youtube links)
   it should be fine imo

[spiral monolith]

some great discussion here :D

will post a summary of the options suggested here

see if I'm missing any or if you imagined one differently

Potential options for changing #rw-meme-discussion

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Current system:

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Option 1: Meme gallery with discussion thread

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Option 2: Meme gallery with discussion channel

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Option 3: Meme gallery + allow spoilers in misc-chat

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Option 4: Meme gallery with no additional discussion channel

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Option 5: Keep rw-memes as it is + add a starboard channel, rw memes with X+ reacts are autoposted there

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All presented

How do those options sound? Is it missing anything?

[sage saffron]

Option 2 and 5 seems cool

[brazen parcel]

i think 1 is the most feasible and beneficial

[sage saffron]

or or

hmmm

[static thunder]

option 5 seems nice

[sage saffron]

maby not

[static thunder]

option1 also good, but i feel like discord "thread system" is a bit complicated for new ppl

[spiral monolith]

that's a good point in that new members wouldn't see the thread, you'd have to look for it

[sage saffron]

option 1 and 2 seems almost the same

[brazen parcel]

i feel like this is the best opportunity the server will have to demonstrate how good threads can be

[onyx matrix]

allow spoilers in misc would be nice except it wouldn't work at all

[brazen parcel]

yeaaa

[spiral monolith]

lol

[static thunder]

lol

[brazen parcel]

in an ideal world a spoiler misc sounds fun

but i feel like its only feasible in voice chat channel form

[onyx matrix]

people seem to be agreeing with the last option so far

[static thunder]

key word "ideal world" that thing doesnt exist

[spiral monolith]

Option 1 would inherently deprioritise meme-discussion as a space, which might be good in a way, would have a smaller active core

[sage saffron]

although

[brazen parcel]

i think only the first option is feasible at all

[sage saffron]

idk how often could starboard be cheesed

[onyx matrix]

spoilers misc could work but it'd have to be a separate channel

[onyx matrix]

i don't getw hy you want the thread so much

[static thunder]

i fear if we add option 1, less ppl will participate becasue is a bit complex and maybe ppl dont feel comfortable with the change

[sage saffron]

also, can't threads be archived?

they don't last forever it seems

[brazen parcel]

because threads work

[onyx matrix]

it'd be harder to find than a channel and possibly nonexistent to some people (older discord version, i'm not sure though lol i can't check)

[brazen parcel]

they can last forever

[sage saffron]

how does they work?

[static thunder]

yeah, not even I know how they work

[sage saffron]

but new chanell is good as well

[spiral monolith]

so as long as we have level 3(?) and as long as someone sends 1 message per week, the thread wouldn't disappear

[sage saffron]

ah ic

[somber creek]

Option two is also feasible since it's nearly the same

[static thunder]

im between options 1 and 5, 1 seems efficient but a bit more risky, 5 is safer becasue #rw-meme-discussion is left untouched, so ppl will still behave the same

[brazen parcel]

i really hope the thread option isnt passed up in the poll just because people dont trust that they can work

[spiral monolith]

it could also be restarted by anyone just by sending a new message

[sage saffron]

btw, can you reactive a thread after it get's archived?

[spiral monolith]

yeah easily

just send a message

[sage saffron]

smmm

the only problem is with option 1

[onyx matrix]

alright, though if it has to be original content then i don't think we'll be having a flood of memes which'd mean they'd be easy to see and comment on. and if we're making one discussion channel a thread why not make art discussion one too?

(though, art discussion is an existing channel which makes it a bit of a problem)

[brazen parcel]

yes there should and could be art discussion

[sage saffron]

we would have to archive #rw-meme-discussion and make rw gallery or just change rw memes in to a gallery with history of posts

[somber creek]

Talking about the poll
That poll would be in announcements right?

[brazen parcel]

but the lack of art discussion thread doesnt imply we shouldnt do that for meme discussion

[static thunder]

(if we choose option 1 i would add a tutorial as a pinned message to use Theads efficiently so ppl dont feel uncomfortable and we reduce the negative impact as much as possible)

[brazen parcel]

yeah

[onyx matrix]

inconsistency aaaaa

[brazen parcel]

yeah it wouldnt be hard to show people how to click on them

[sage saffron]

so what would you staff do?

[onyx matrix]

also again, it'd be harder to see than a channel and has pretty much the same functionality as one

[somber creek]

Yeah because threads are so rarely used, it'd be better to explain how they work if we go with this

[brazen parcel]

the danger with option 2 in my eyes is that having a channel for talking about memes without people even posting their high quality stuff there itd become more of a cesspit than current #vanilla-spoilers and #rw-meme-discussion are

[sage saffron]

but

uh

[static thunder]

(discord suddenly removes the thread option becasue is unused )

[sage saffron]

how about #art-discussion

it's the same deal rn

[brazen parcel]

staff would change the current channer into a gallery

[sage saffron]

meh

[brazen parcel]

yes.

[static thunder]

and is easy to recall and research messages from threads?

[somber creek]

The high quality could also be posted there if the creator wants it
And i can't really see how the thread would go around this issue

[brazen parcel]

yep

[sage saffron]

seems like you are not trusting the community to behave heh

[brazen parcel]

it would because its next to the channer

[brazen parcel]

yes.

[spiral monolith]

so it doesn't seem like option 4 is that popular, just a gallery?

[static thunder]

i think you cant use the searching tool to specify something was written within a thread

[spiral monolith]

is it worth including in the vote at all?

5 voting choices is quite a lot

[brazen parcel]

yea without a discussion place people will go spam some other channer they arent meant to

[somber creek]

I don't get it
How does just being tied to the main one prevent this?

[static thunder]

no one would want just a meme galery

[onyx matrix]

oh wait can you

[static thunder]

idk

[somber creek]

Why would it prevent any more than another channel right next to it

[brazen parcel]

because its a tool for discussing whats happening in #rw-meme-gallery

[static thunder]

[brazen parcel]

its next to it and attached to it

[spiral monolith]

but yea you can't search specifically inside

[onyx matrix]

yeah that sucks

[sage saffron]

hmm

[brazen parcel]

i dont see a #rw-meme-discussion channel not becoming spammy

[onyx matrix]

another reason not to use a thread

[static thunder]

hold on, but i cant writte "in:#930258321594806342"

[sage saffron]

that's a problem

[onyx matrix]

because a thread wouldn't

[somber creek]

That's the idea, but would it end up being used like that
I feel like in this case it would end up used like its own channel because people would just treat it as such

[sage saffron]

why aren't you belive in us?

[onyx matrix]

people will still go off and talk about their own thing

[brazen parcel]

wha lol

[sage saffron]

that's what people do

[brazen parcel]

i think the benefits of having a thread outweigh the benefits of having a channer too

[somber creek]

Yeah
Even if tied to the actual channel it would still be spammy
People would still behave in it just like they do in a seperate channel

[brazen parcel]

i.e. people being able to hide the thread from the server list without hiding other muted channers

[onyx matrix]

but what's the point of that

[sage saffron]

i still feel like the channel would be nicer

[brazen parcel]

this wouldnt matter too much because there wouldnt be as many text messages in #rw-meme-gallery

[onyx matrix]

why would people want to hide the meme discussion specifically

[brazen parcel]

lol

[onyx matrix]

why not make a thread for every channel if it should be easily hideable

[somber creek]

I prefer to be able to search specifically in meme disc than to be able to hide it specifically personnally

[brazen parcel]

you can

[onyx matrix]

how

[brazen parcel]

its the same as searching in the main channer

like

[brazen parcel]

^^

[spiral monolith]

it is a shame that discord doesn't allow searching specifically in threads

[static thunder]

[onyx matrix]

searching in:rwmemes shows the thread but what if you want an image in the thread

[brazen parcel]

its a gallery so its not like 2 channers worth of searches will be merged

[static thunder]

well

hold on..

[spiral monolith]

ohh ic

[onyx matrix]

it is a gallery but i still don't like it

[brazen parcel]

i think the benefits of a thread outweigh the benefits of a channer

[spiral monolith]

(but you guys like the gallery idea, however the discussion is implemented?)

[brazen parcel]

also people are bound to be more likely to stay on topic when the topic is on the second half of the screen

[brazen parcel]

yes

[somber creek]

Also i'm surprised we're so few discussing this here
There's 20 people in here

[onyx matrix]

it should help

[sage saffron]

yea,
basically
don't change
just add

[spiral monolith]

(we'll work out the advantages and disadvantages and list both for the final vote)

[somber creek]

Yeah it sounds good

[onyx matrix]

it takes up the whole

[static thunder]

ok we cant search specificly in the thread, BUT since the main gallery is just memes, just search #rw-meme-discussion, all the text will be on the thread

[onyx matrix]

idk how to change that

[brazen parcel]

click the 3 dots

[sage saffron]

so #rw-meme-discussion would stay
and a new channel for the meme gallery could be formed

[spiral monolith]

how about the misc-spoilers option? You mentioned you felt it wouldn't work tobie?

[onyx matrix]

that doesnt mean everyone will do that i think

[static thunder]

OH

this is the future

HOLY HELL

[brazen parcel]

but the number of people who will will stay on topic more

[sage saffron]

misc-spoiler???, meh, it's already good as it is

[onyx matrix]

if that means there isn' ta spoiler free misc chat then yeah because new people couldnt post offtopic memes

[static thunder]

ok this is actually nice

im voting for option 1 now

[sage saffron]

you would change it yes, but what's the point

[somber creek]

I think the main issue with the thread idea is how alien it is to basically everyone
Since they're never used
I didn't know anything said about threads today for example

[static thunder]

also, can we vote multiple options?

[onyx matrix]

if there was an ADDITIONAL spoilers misc it'd be perfect

[sage saffron]

i think only laura likes the idea of threads

[brazen parcel]

pepe

[sage saffron]

me

[onyx matrix]

but if it removes misc chat then well no memes for you until you beat rain world

[somber creek]

Well jev just said he liked it now

[static thunder]

i want to try the thread out

[sage saffron]

ah

[spiral monolith]

yeah so that is a group of people who'd be left out

[static thunder]

is actually really nice

[sage saffron]

well i considered it at first as well

[somber creek]

Besides there's gotta be people who like threads in this serv

[brazen parcel]

threads are unfamilliar but people could definitely benefit from them

[knotty zinc]

yeah thats my one concern with spoiler-ifying misc chat

[spiral monolith]

(newcomers who want to post memes I mean)

[sage saffron]

but i think diffrent chanell is just better

[brazen parcel]

the benefits of threads are numerous and interesting

[static thunder]

is more like, ppl fears new stuff

is actually nice lol

[sage saffron]

duh

[static thunder]

(the only issue is that is a bit hard to use on half screen)

[pearl sedge]

my only problem with threads is i find they are hard to access when not on my pc

[brazen parcel]

i just dont think its feasible for a channer about talking about the meme images someones posted in a different channel to be easy to moderate

[somber creek]

The whole split screen thing is the only benefit to me I'd say
Though i'm thinking that in of itself would make it better probably, but it's unfamiliar

[onyx matrix]

i still prefer a different channel, it's the easier option, keeps consistency, everyone is able to access it, and the thread will go off-topic anyways

[somber creek]

I'm on mobile rn and it's basically like its own channel on mobile i'd say

[sage saffron]

(ehem #vanilla-art-gallery★ #art-discussion )

[swift parrot]

I still like option 1

[static thunder]

option 1 pog

[sage saffron]

but anyway

[brazen parcel]

i dont think "things will go offtopic anyway" is a good excuse to let them get worse

[sage saffron]

we will see

[pearl sedge]

it is its own channel but its hidden behind 2 submenus

[brazen parcel]

yes art discussion could be a thread itd be good

[sage saffron]

option 1 and 2 is for the debate

[brazen parcel]

its currently a channel because it already has been, but itd be good as a thread

[static thunder]

threads are the future

deal with it

you boomer

[somber creek]

What submenus are you talking about
I can just click it directly from another channel like it is its own

[sage saffron]

seems like the rest aren't got hooked up

[onyx matrix]

THREADS SUCK WDYM

[muted sable]

whats this

[swift parrot]

Lies

[static thunder]

is not that bad lol

[onyx matrix]

it feels wrong

[sage saffron]

idk why threads sucks but ok

[somber creek]

Art is like that rn and it seems to work

[swift parrot]

Is good

[brazen parcel]

if #rw-meme-discussion becomes a channel it will be far harder to justify it as a thread in the future

[pearl sedge]

how do i do that? i’ve had it happen once before but most of the time it disappears from the menu

[onyx matrix]

they're useless in 99% of situations and in this case it could just be a channel

[static thunder]

is LITERALLY a 2nd channel BUT you can have it on split screen and have access to the main channel too

[brazen parcel]

same with #art-discussion

[brazen parcel]

yeah

[static thunder]

[swift parrot]

Idk why people say threads suck

[brazen parcel]

the benefits of threads far outweigh the benefits of a second channel

[onyx matrix]

can you use bots in threads?

[spiral monolith]

As a potential idea, how would you feel about a meme-discussion channel being made which also allows off-topic? Misc chat would stay the same then

[somber creek]

I have no idea, to me it just doesn't dissappear

[brazen parcel]

yes

[onyx matrix]

[somber creek]

I feel like that would descend into chaos very fast

[static thunder]

no need to fight tho

[onyx matrix]

it would descend into chaos

[sage saffron]

that actually be #misc-pan-chat-2 heh but with spoilers

[spiral monolith]

So you've got meme-gallery, meme discussion (all) and misc chat

[somber creek]

I remember for example in HK server they had such a meme channel

It was an absolute mess

[spiral monolith]

mm for sure

[somber creek]

They eventually deleted it outright

[onyx matrix]

mmm no i don't think

[somber creek]

Because it was a hellpit

[onyx matrix]

if we want a spoilers misc it has to be separate from both misc and rwmemes there's no other way i don't think

[static thunder]

lol

[sage saffron]

ok, last thing i will say: whatever will be chosen it gonna be ok and after a while no one gonna complain about it

[brazen parcel]

split view

[onyx matrix]

split view is weird

[static thunder]

then the main misc chat would become literal anarchy

[knotty zinc]

split view

[onyx matrix]

IT ALREADY IS ANARCHY

[brazen parcel]

its good for discussing whats in the main channer

[spiral monolith]

for sure torbie, it theoretically makes moderating it easier but mb not in practice because people post risky off topic stuff whenever they can ig

[static thunder]

but why not accept that it alwats has been

[robust wasp]

Gallery for rw memes!

[onyx matrix]

have you SEEN what goes on in misc

[static thunder]

split view rures

[brazen parcel]

spoiler misc is just #vc-rules and #scav-gaming and tbh they seem like the only ways to do that sorta channer

[somber creek]

Rn i'm thinking voting one because spilt view
I'm on mobile a lot so i don't benefit much but others probably would

[static thunder]

unfortunely, YES

[brazen parcel]

have them out of the way at the bottom

[onyx matrix]

but nobody ever sees them

or uses them

[sage saffron]

also a cursed idea: made a gallery where you can add a thread to every post

[onyx matrix]

hey community can we start using the vc channels as spoilers misc

pls

[robust wasp]

I'm contributing to it dayly

[onyx matrix]

hey community i promise they're nice

[pearl sedge]

i dont think outskirts and warehouse are used as much as they should since they’re in the voice category

[sage saffron]

vc channels are vc channels

[onyx matrix]

no

[static thunder]

yes

[onyx matrix]

urghhhh

you can use them as spoilers misc as long as no one is in vc

it's that easy

[static thunder]

also #vanilla-spoilers exists

[brazen parcel]

awful

[onyx matrix]

THATS NOT SPOILERS MISC

[sage saffron]

they are basically a wild waste land that you can do anything in it

[onyx matrix]

yeah

[muted sable]

not for me

[somber creek]

Vc channels are now text channels

[onyx matrix]

but nobody seems to agree

that #scav-gaming and #vc-rules should be used as spoilers-misc

[muted sable]

no one uses them

[robust wasp]

Imagine a day when we could talk spoilers in general... so we have a universal chat for all topics...

[sage saffron]

well, i meant this as for text channels lol, but ok

[onyx matrix]

that's the point

[brazen parcel]

if people using them would stop off-topic in #vanilla-spoilers id love it

[onyx matrix]

they should use them

[onyx matrix]

THIS

[pearl sedge]

but nobody ends up moving channels…

[robust wasp]

But vc channels are literally vc channels

[brazen parcel]

yea

[somber creek]

I think option one and two are the best simply because they're easier
Rn inching more at lne me but still

[brazen parcel]

people HATE being told to go to misc chat

its like sentencing them to death

[onyx matrix]

but it's not aginst the rules

[static thunder]

kinda

[onyx matrix]

to discuss in them

[static thunder]

misc chat is the wastelands

except is full

[robust wasp]

Moving discord conversations IS extremely odd

[onyx matrix]

as long as nobody is in VC you're free to cause chaos in the VC textchannels

[muted sable]

misc land is garbage wastes

[somber creek]

I feel like that wouldn't be the case though
If they don't go to other channels now why start doing it for a new channel

[muted sable]

misc land.

[static thunder]

and what if ppl is using the VC chats?

[onyx matrix]

then we don't

[brazen parcel]

if the conversations could somehow start in #vc-rules and #scav-gaming there wouldnt be a problem

[onyx matrix]

so we don't clutter up the convo

[onyx matrix]

that

[static thunder]

rename #misc-pan-chat into #garbage-wastes

[brazen parcel]

but its hard for them to because people dont turn up in them

[onyx matrix]

yeah

"they're vc channels" but it's not against the rules to discuss there, nobody does it because they're hidden away and they don't really think about it i think

[static thunder]

ironicly, that would be spoilers lol

[brazen parcel]

maybe a spoiler-misc alongside #offtopic-agenderal and #misc-pan-chat in the community category would get more traffic

[onyx matrix]

oh definitely

[muted sable]

or just use #scav-gaming

[spiral monolith]

just shove warehouse up there huh

[static thunder]

we need a server channel rework

[onyx matrix]

the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that we have either a thread or a channel for rwmemegallery discussion up here

[robust wasp]

Personally I don't want to unmute #vc-rules and #scav-gaming since they are mostly vc stuff and music bot commands

[onyx matrix]

and then a spoilers misc additional

[onyx matrix]

if we start using them they won't be

[somber creek]

Maybe
We can always try
I doubt it'd work ro reduce off-topic elsewhere but it doesn't hurt to try

[static thunder]

also is there a limit of simultaneous threads?

[onyx matrix]

no clue

why?

[robust wasp]

They will still require me to scroll allll the way down, which I'm not interested in.

[onyx matrix]

cool

[robust wasp]

If they were moved up then sure yeah nice

[spiral monolith]

see it starts off well intentioned and before you know it all the channels have new names and you have a separate server for art discussion and the lose ends have been unpicked into a large hole

[muted sable]

put them next to misc chat and general

[static thunder]

lol

[onyx matrix]

gwyn but would it be possible to have rweme gallery and discussion + a spoilers misc without eating current misc

[robust wasp]

We need a separate server for #misc-pan-chat

[pearl sedge]

simple move: make every single channel a thread of misc chat

[brazen parcel]

so my favourite option would be turning rw-memes into a gallery + discussionthread combo, and adding a spoiler-misc in community category so people can ask each other how their days are going while talking about NSH JTAs

[spiral monolith]

we could think about that, it might be a different vote in the future ?

[onyx matrix]

ok i can agree with laura

[somber creek]

Yeah if we add spoiler misc i'd be better to not eat current misc

[robust wasp]

Hell yeah!

[brazen parcel]

anyway i have maths cyall

[static thunder]

democracy moment

[somber creek]

Yes that sounds like the best plan to me rn

[static thunder]

cya, math enjoyer

[onyx matrix]

rwmemegallery + discussion channel/thread (i would still prefer the channel but if we get a thread i'll live with it) + spoilers-misc

[somber creek]

Though yeah I feel like the spooler misc should have its own vote
Since it's seperate from the meme channels

[onyx matrix]

yeah

[somber creek]

So we'd have two polls

[onyx matrix]

but really spoilers misc would solve so many problems

[static thunder]

also, how do we manage to keep the poll free from cheaters?

[spiral monolith]

will relay this

[robust wasp]

We need a separate channel for scavs since scavs are too glorious to fit inside #vanilla-spoilers

[spiral monolith]

I want a scav gallery

or was it scav chat

what was it

[onyx matrix]

we had #scavs on april fools

[spiral monolith]

oh just #scavs

[static thunder]

#leveleditor

[onyx matrix]

it devolved into scav image machinegunning

just rapidfire scav spam

[spiral monolith]

we could save #scavs saturday or something

[onyx matrix]

lol

[spiral monolith]

every saturday misc becomes scavs

every first week of the month

[robust wasp]

YES

[onyx matrix]

lol

[robust wasp]

scavurday

[somber creek]

Well
I doubt we can really do that
But if enough people vote, a minority cheating won't have too much impact

[spiral monolith]

yea votes are always fine

[robust wasp]

How do you cheat a discord poll?

[onyx matrix]

alts

[static thunder]

wha about the poll being in a channel with (x)requierement to enter?

[spiral monolith]

it's obvious when you get a bunch of new accounts all at once

[static thunder]

at least batfly rank idk

[spiral monolith]

not hard to see a discrepancy

[muted sable]

yeah

[somber creek]

Also the poll should at least last a few days i feel
Just so everyone has time to vote if interested
With an announcement to mark that yes the poll is here now

[spiral monolith]

a week usually :D

[somber creek]

Stonks

[robust wasp]

Hmm so I have to get rid of my 300 alts in this server then

[spiral monolith]

Here's an example

[static thunder]

so when will the poll be done?

[muted sable]

next year

[static thunder]

hah nice joke

hold on, is already january

[somber creek]

When next rw update drops

[spiral monolith]

say 24 hours or so

[pearl sedge]

3 signals from now

[static thunder]

lol

so we will go for 2 polls? about #addfreemischat and the memegallery issues?

[knotty zinc]

[spiral monolith]

anything with misc would be separate for sure, probably voted on in the future

[static thunder]

[spiral monolith]

we'd want to use that poll to just gauge the level of support, yknow

[somber creek]

Maybe we could discuss the misc thing again in another community input thread within misc

[spiral monolith]

yeah totally

[onyx matrix]

yeah

[static thunder]

thats fair

[spiral monolith]

there is the side of things that obviously you've got hk, noita, some communities where all-in-one channels don't go so well

so the question is whether that's due to their rules? Their moderation?

level of activity?

or just the format?

[somber creek]

In HK the sheer amount of people did play a role i'd say

[onyx matrix]

hk server's way is awful

[spiral monolith]

is it modded at all?

[somber creek]

But the nature of the channel encouraged chaos

[onyx matrix]

it has only a meme gallery afaik

[teal pawn]

I don’t think so

Don’t quote me on that tho

[somber creek]

It got deleted

[teal pawn]

Only been there a few times

[somber creek]

Maybe re added since i've been gone

But it had to be yeeted

Because it was a hellpit

[onyx matrix]

what got deleted

[somber creek]

Hk meme channel

[onyx matrix]

theres a hk-meme channel and it's image post only

[somber creek]

Yeah i meant the old one

[static thunder]

also, shouldn't we move #rw-meme-discussion into the "community" folder, rather than "Gameplay"?

[somber creek]

Where all memes hk or not were allowed

[onyx matrix]

yeah you used to be able to talk there too i think

[somber creek]

That one got the nuke

[onyx matrix]

no it's about hk

[static thunder]

wtf

[teal pawn]

Oh damn i thought the hk server got deleted

[static thunder]

lol

no

[teal pawn]

Unfortunately that’s not the case

[robust wasp]

I remember when the geforce now release date thing got leaked and chat went insane

[static thunder]

Im in the HK discord only for the news lol

i dont like it

[teal pawn]

Awful server tbh

[robust wasp]

It's crazy how many members they have

[somber creek]

I remember in hk serv at some point back when i was in, there was a huge spamming shitshow
Because the mods had little to no power they couldn't do shit and muted random people in the mass

The admins weren't on

So it kept on going and going

[teal pawn]

Reminds me of an old server I used to moderate

It was miserable

[static thunder]

but tbh, remember the HK server have 15 times more ppl than RW's, so dont expect both servers to be managed the same way, so comparaisons are kidna pointless

[teal pawn]

1000 people at once spamming random garbage

[onyx matrix]

"i'm struggling with PoH"
"pantheon of hallownest is easy i did it in 3 tries lol"

[teal pawn]

Support hell

[onyx matrix]

i will keep seething about this

[teal pawn]

I can help if you really want

[onyx matrix]

no

[pearl sedge]

did someone say that to you?

[onyx matrix]

i have no motivation left

yeah LMAO

every time

[static thunder]

you can search what i wrotte on that server if you wanna laught

[pearl sedge]

i did it in 2 tries

[static thunder]

i just said a single thing and said, OK never again

[onyx matrix]

i hate you

[knotty zinc]

critique PoH for free dehumanization

[teal pawn]

Lol

[somber creek]

Wut

[onyx matrix]

anyways yeah i lost all motivation to try, about a year ago if not more, so no i don't want help with PoH

[static thunder]

talking about keeping the topic

how could you

[pearl sedge]

goes off topic in community input channel on separating off topic

[somber creek]

Alright then
Idk what word blocks

[static thunder]

lol

[somber creek]

Sometimes dyno's filter works in mysterious ways

[pearl sedge]

fail! laugh at this user

[teal pawn]

[somber creek]

But my point was hk isn't as well modded as here

Way less effort put in

It's def harder to moderate, gotta admit

But still

[robust wasp]

That probably has to do with the fact that it's 15 times larger

[meager snow]

constant stream of messages flying by

it's a scary place

[robust wasp]

Big servers are weird

[somber creek]

Like the handling of the wub situation compared to hk's equivalent
Hk didn't put in anywhere as much effort to deal with its counterpart

That's what i tried to explain before dyno said no

Anyways i gtg now

[static thunder]

also

when did we reach 10k?

we are half way to 11k

we need to reach those 20k soon, is the price to pay for Dev information

[cunning loom]

wait

ok so i just read through this thread

i would very much suggest putting a misc-spoilers channel in the GAMEPLAY tab and not in the COMMUNITY tab because:

1. the rest of the community tab has fairly strict spoilering guidelines. the misc-spoilers channel would conflict with this and cause people to accidentally click on it and be spoiled.
2. i personally would like to keep the community tab muted and hidden, because i literally only use it for !level and nothing else in misc-chat. having the new channel right next to #vanilla-spoilers instead would allow me to not have my screen cluttered by needing to show a bunch of channels i never use.

[onyx matrix]

the rest of the community tab has fairly strict spoilering guidelines. the misc-spoilers channel would conflict with this and cause people to accidentally click on it and be spoiled.
2 channels.

only general and misc are spoiler free.

but yeah, people could accidentally click on it

[cunning loom]

ok fine but that says more about how i never use the tab, strengthening my second point. checkmate

[onyx matrix]

ok well the server doesn't cater to you

[cunning loom]

ok tell me why it wouldn't make more sense in gameplay anyway

if we have 2 channels, which are basically "rw-spoilers" and "rw-spoilers but with off-topic and memes", then it makes sense to put them next to one another

[onyx matrix]

the whole gameplay tab is strictly rw channels

there is not a single offtopic channel here

[cunning loom]

if that's the case torbie, why not put the art channels in gameplay too

[onyx matrix]

because they aren't about gameplay

[cunning loom]

especially art month

[brazen parcel]

id be more comfy with misc-spoilers in community since gameplay needs to remain strictly focussed on the game

[onyx matrix]

they're art based

what laura said

[brazen parcel]

the community tab is a mix of on and offtopic, spoiler and non-spoiler, whereas the gameplay tab is strictly ontopic

[cunning loom]

uhh would you even really call rw-memes "strictly focused on the game"

just saying

the only reason the current implementation of the channel could be considered anything close to that is that you are redirected for being off the topic of the game. the chats itself are maybe tangentially related to gameplay at best

[brazen parcel]

it literally should be lol

[onyx matrix]

uhh would you even really call rw-memes "strictly focused on the game"

it's supposed to be

[brazen parcel]

the problem is that its not

[onyx matrix]

lmao

that's why we have this thread

it's for memes that are focused on the game

[cunning loom]

the most popular options (2 and 5) both effectively change the channel into something more reminiscent of the community tab ones anyway

[onyx matrix]

....

so you're suggesting rw memes should be in the community tab too?

your whole point was "don't put misc spoilers in the community tab because it has spoilers"

[static thunder]

yes

i suggested the same

#rw-meme-discussion is not gameplay related at all

it should be near the art galleries lol

[onyx matrix]

... IT SHOULD BE

THAT'S THE POINT

[static thunder]

nope

deal with it

[onyx matrix]

the point of rwmemes is that it's for memes based on the game

[static thunder]

and art gallery?

[brazen parcel]

my hope would be:

Gameplay
#vanilla-spoilers - discussion strictly about playing the game or thinking about the game
#rw-meme-gallery - any edited (funny) rain world media (images, music mashups, videos, gifs, youtube links), posted once by the person who made it
\_ #meme-discussion (thread) - any discussion about any memes in the gallery, same rules as rw-spoilers but less used because its a thread

Community:
#misc-spoilers - NSH JTAs running amuck, people asking each other how their days are going and then talking about pebbles

[onyx matrix]

i agree with laura

[cunning loom]

i'm saying if your argument is "we need to be ABSOLUTELY focused on the game in the gameplay tab", then rw-spoilers and rw-memes should be moved to community according to your logic and we should make a "postgame" channel in gameplay to help people with hunter mode and repeat playthroughs

[onyx matrix]

.... ???????????

[brazen parcel]

i wouldnt perish if it were a channer instead of a thread but i think giving the thread a chance might be cool

[onyx matrix]

RW spoilesr and memes are supposed to be focused on the game

[brazen parcel]

if a thread doesnt work itd be easier to correct it into a channer than vice versa

[onyx matrix]

you're just arguing that since the community goes offtopic in there it's made for offtopic

[brazen parcel]

yeah no point arguing that if something is incorrectly offtopic it should be moved to offtopicland

it needs to be made easier to stay on topic

thats what this thread is about

[cunning loom]

laura and torbie, i think that this thread has devolved into two discussions:

1. the original - what should we do with #rw-meme-discussion to improve it
   and
2. the current discussion - should we have a misc-spoilers and where should it go

so i think that maybe a second thread should be made. these are sort of separate questions

although my issue with threads is that their current implementation is obtuse and they only work when people in the original channel are either:

1. aware that threads exist and how to use them
2. notified repeatedly

[upbeat lagoon]

"a "postgame" channel in gameplay to help people with hunter mode and repeat playthroughs"
is that not what #vanilla-spoilers is supposed to be

[onyx matrix]

and post-fs

[upbeat lagoon]

yeah

[onyx matrix]

yeah but the argument is that "Those channels are offtopic"

"so they should go to the community tab if the gameplay tab has to be strictly rw related"

[cunning loom]

rw-spoilers fundamentally doesn't work in that way because at the very least, you will have SOME discussion of modded gameplay and also other stuff

rw-spoilers will provide gameplay help if one asks for it, but it is only rarely the channel's main focus

[onyx matrix]

?modded gameplay

game related

other stuff
not intended

and since when is the focus helping people

if someone asks, then we'll help. but it isn't #rw-help

and we don't need it

[upbeat lagoon]

isn't that why #misc-spoilers is being discussed as a channel though
to make #vanilla-spoilers a channel more focused on rain game

[onyx matrix]

yeah

[brazen parcel]

yep

[onyx matrix]

i just don't get what you're trying to argue anymore mememan

[brazen parcel]

we are looking for a structural solution to the problem: "#rw-meme-discussion has become more offtopic than desired"

the solution isnt to accept its new function

[onyx matrix]

yeah

lmao

[brazen parcel]

same, though not quite yet, with sorting out #vanilla-spoilers by adding the spoiler misc channer

[cunning loom]

im tired and i have misarticulated what i want to say

i want misc-spoilers in gameplay, that is my suggestion and i would like community input that isn't just from you and laura over whether that is wanted or not

thats about it

[onyx matrix]

why do you want misc spoilers in gameplay though

your 2 points were "the rest of the community channels ares spoiler free" (which isn't the case but it's fair) and "i don't check the community tab"

[cunning loom]

because it's basically what rw-spoilers is now

what do you think will happen when misc-spoilers comes out? half of rw-spoilers will move to it instead

[onyx matrix]

because it's basically what rw-spoilers is now

but rw spoilers is not supposed to be offtopic

[whole locust]

Additional bit of community input: I agree with Torbie and laura.

[brazen parcel]

heya candle

[cunning loom]

what happens in rw-spoilers now is that discussion of other games as a comparison to rw will begin

over the course of 30-60 minutes, it will continue until eventually having others see and tell people to move to general or misc-chat instead

general and misc-chat are poor channels for longer conversations due to how active they are

[onyx matrix]

holy shit

you are just arguing that rw spoilers is made to be offtopic and intended to be

[brazen parcel]

i think effectively splitting current rw-spoilers into the GAMEPLAY aspect (ideal rw-spoilers) and the COMMUNITY aspect (misc-spoilers) solves the problem

[wooden pilot]

i mean i kinda get what he is saying, with longer form conversation which is what rw-spoilers is intended for it's only natural that conversation will eventually progress to other topics even if it's not intended

[onyx matrix]

yeah, true. i'm just saying it isn't the intended purpose

that's like saying misc chat is dedicated to cat images because it has a lot of them

[wooden pilot]

i didnt say anything like that

[onyx matrix]

i'm. not saying you did???

[cunning loom]

this is what i mean

change the current implementation of rw-spoilers to gameplay

about 70% of discussions will move to misc-spoilers. i see this as a good thing

but i think you'd basically have:

1. basically the first four channels but postgame stuff
2. what rw-spoilers is currently

[brazen parcel]

yes

[cunning loom]

this does have the effect of killing discussion in rw-spoilers though

[brazen parcel]

but a community channer should be in the community channer category

[onyx matrix]

and

i don't see the problem

rw-spoilers

[brazen parcel]

itll be easier for people to move into misc-spoilers once this happens because they wont be sacrificing either the ability to say spoilers (if they went to #offtopic-agenderal or #misc-pan-chat) or the ability to have newcomers enter the conversation (if they went to #vc-rules or #scav-gaming)

[onyx matrix]

and nobody's going to go to the VCs anyways because they are seen as vc-only

[cunning loom]

the problem with outskirts and warehouse is that people will think they're vc-only chats (WHICH IS THE INTENTION)

that's why the two channels can't fulfill the role that this new channel would be able to

[onyx matrix]

but i think even gwyn said that

those channels can be used for general discussion of anything if no one is using them for their intended purpose

[wooden pilot]

the proposal is to basically send all off topic discussion to #misc-pan-chat (renamed misc-spoilers) right? sorry i just want to make sure im getting this right

[onyx matrix]

nono

make a new channel that's misc spoilers and keep misc intact

[wooden pilot]

ah ok

i was thinking that if it was just sent to misc chat you wouldnt be able to hold a convo whatsoever because of other people spamming stuff

i dont mind that as much though i still think it might kill the flow of conversations somewhat

[onyx matrix]

since if we made misc into a spoiler channel then people who haven't beaten the game they couldn't see or share memes

[quick marsh]

downside: increased clutter

[brazen parcel]

yeaaaa

[wooden pilot]

yeah

[brazen parcel]

id prefer a pristine #vanilla-spoilers and some increased community channer clutter than what we have now

[onyx matrix]

as nice as rw spoilers discussions are, they're... not rw or spoilers a lot of the time

[brazen parcel]

but they definitely deserve a channer of their own

[wooden pilot]

i think maybe the main thing im concerned about is that switching channels kind of tends to kill discussions from what ive noticed and, whilst misc-spoilers would solve that by incentivising people to begin discussions there, i feel it might solve it too effectively and end up drawing away the majority of discussion from rw-spoilers and leave it kind of abandoned; why talk there and risk getting reprimanded for going off topic when you can just stay in misc-spoilers the whole time? what about instead of a brand new channel we could have a permanent thread like what was proposed with meme-discussion? that way you wouldnt sacrifice rw-spoilers, it would be really easy to switch to a more on topic area and it wouldnt clutter the channel list

[brazen parcel]

in some way i feel like the ideal #vanilla-spoilers is basically what we have in #wiki but discussing anyones playthroughs of the game and talking about the world and lore

[wooden pilot]

i hope that makes sense

[static thunder]

are you guys fighing?

[onyx matrix]

yeah

[brazen parcel]

no

[wooden pilot]

lol

[brazen parcel]

we're having a proper discussion lol

[onyx matrix]

nah but if this is "fighting" then this is very civilized fighting

[static thunder]

thats nice

[onyx matrix]

like gently poking someone

[static thunder]

[onyx matrix]

and they sit down on the ground

and then poke you back

[brazen parcel]

a permanent thread attached to #vanilla-spoilers to catch up all of the offtopic?

[wooden pilot]

yeah!

[brazen parcel]

interesting

[wooden pilot]

basically everything you guys mentioned but in a thread instead of a separate channel

that would keep it in the gameplay tab too

[brazen parcel]

what do yalleveryoneelseyall think of that?

[onyx matrix]

that could work but that means more threads

[brazen parcel]

im mixed cuz i feel like community stuff ought to be in the community category

[wooden pilot]

imo the way the threads are organised in the ui makes it easy to keep up with multiple channels at once which is what you would want for both the meme-gallery/meme-discussion and rw-spoilers/misc-spoilers

[onyx matrix]

then why not make more channels into threads

[quick marsh]

because on the technical side threads are shit

[brazen parcel]

well it only makes sense to be a thread if theres something to attach it to

[onyx matrix]

hell why not use them for their intended purpose of "keeping track of reply chains"

[wooden pilot]

yeah thats fair

[onyx matrix]

(fuck you discord)

[quick marsh]

fuck you discord let's migrate in bulk

[brazen parcel]

:)

[wooden pilot]

rw slack server

[brazen parcel]

lets all form a clash of clans clan and talk in the clan channel in the game

[quick marsh]

OH NO

[wooden pilot]

we're going 2010 mode lets start an official rain world forum

[onyx matrix]

fuck yeah

[quick marsh]

actually a useful idea

[brazen parcel]

IRC is the way to go

[quick marsh]

staff teamspeak

[wooden pilot]

who's gonna make a thread complaining about my off topic posts 👉👈

ok i guess this is kind of that actually

[brazen parcel]

lol

[static thunder]

can someone make me a summary of all you discussed without me?

[wooden pilot]

check the pins for the actual topic of the thread

[onyx matrix]

see laura

threads don't solve offtopic

[brazen parcel]

the only good answer is

Gameplay
rw-spoilers - discussion strictly about playing the game or thinking about the game
rw-meme-gallery - any edited (funny) rain world media (images, music mashups, videos, gifs, youtube links), posted once by the person who made it
\_ meme-discussion (thread) - any discussion about any memes in the gallery, same rules as rw-spoilers but less used because its a thread

Community:
misc-spoilers - NSH JTAs running amuck, people asking each other how their days are going and then talking about pebbles

[onyx matrix]

this but without the thread if possible

[brazen parcel]

lol

[teal pawn]

Screw it im making this

[spiral monolith]

2024 - NSH JTAs run for important council positions

[brazen parcel]

i think that trying out a thread, realising it doesnt work that well and then switching to a channer is better than starting with a channer and having no choice

[wooden pilot]

yeah

[static thunder]

i love democracy

[brazen parcel]

like #art-discussion is pretty frozen as is now

when an art discussion thread could be cute

[wooden pilot]

threads would at the very least be a good trial run to see if the idea of splitting these channels works well

though i will say that ive noticed how few people are actually in this thread and contributing to it