uh hello i just like bought this like game with dlcs and stuff i have this thing called remix or som

[calm torrent]

i just got past it

hell yeah

i'm tired

i'll do this tomorrow

[calm torrent]

i quit with this bs

i'm watching a full playthrough now

been stuck on too many levels

the fun is discovering ways to get around, when its intended to

not when its unfairly and indirectly intended to

i'm stuck in a room with 2 stealth lizards and i have to climb all the way up to somewhere

i know the game is supposed to be unfair

but genuinely if my first playthrough in any game was this hard, i would NOT ever play it again

the only thing still keeping me up is the hope to get artificier

and i'm not getting him if i don't have direct help

lowkey gonna watch tutorials and sh

i quit with the first experience thing

i know its good for no spoilers

but

i would prefer getting spoiled a part of the game than having to spend 2 hours just trying to get past some rooms

[naive marsh]

If you genuinely feel like quitting, we can just ALWAYS give direct advice 🥹

Even a non-blind playthrough can be fun, at least if you don't find the "intended" method of playing enjoyable...

[calm torrent]

no no its not about advice

its like

because of skill and stuff

[naive marsh]

You switched from Monk to Survivor, right?

[calm torrent]

beating a room as in a first playthrough

this far

has like the chance of 5% to succeed

[naive marsh]

Monk is easier than Survivor, so you can switch back if you're struggling that much

[calm torrent]

if i sswitch to monk

i'll have to get all the way to shaded cidatel again, get to the leg and try to beat it

easier with survivor, lizards don't really change for monk

well i think so

struggling with this room

theres 2 stealth lizards guarding the entrance to the other room

and the second room has a huge pole in the middle of the place

if one of the stealth lizards enter that room its over too

their tongue could reach me

[naive marsh]

I'm trying to think of techniques that could help...

[calm torrent]

i went to the other way around last time but it seems like not much will change

[naive marsh]

How much do you use pipe juking? (the strategy of repeatedly entering and exiting a room transition)

(And would that even be helpful here...)

[calm torrent]

quite a bit if i'm gonna be honest

[naive marsh]

Ok, nevermind then, I would've suggested using it more if not...

[calm torrent]

it'd probably be helpful, but since they are stealth lizards, it'd be way less efficient

they could just throw their tongue at me, lowering my chances of reaching the pipe

the only way i know how to get out of their tongues is like doing a slide or something but the place is too small to do that

nor can i do a backflip there

[naive marsh]

Are you getting caught by their camouflage, or evading them after you notice?

[calm torrent]

i already know where they are

but since they act like pink lizards and have that tongue

its way harder

[naive marsh]

And I assume there's no room to evade them?

[calm torrent]

basically, yeah

wait a moment

i think i'll try one more time

[naive marsh]

It could also be possible to lure them down a room to a closer pipe, then juke them, then make a break for it back up...?

I'm trying to think how I normally do things...

Oh, actually, here's a question: How much do you attack things, and with what?

[calm torrent]

look at this

hes so hidden

[calm torrent]

i usually evade fights, since its better most of the time

but when i am fighting

i use mostly spears, rocks sometimes too

[naive marsh]

That is good

However, it's not quite WHY I asked...

[calm torrent]

but luring him and juking him is way harder

[naive marsh]

What utility have you seen rocks have?

[calm torrent]

stun

[naive marsh]

...Dang it, you already knew

[calm torrent]

but hes like a pink lizard

he'll be above me

which i can't aim up withouth a backflip i think

and since he has that tongue

hitting him is way harder

harder to aim

[naive marsh]

Actually, here's something I don't think you know: ||If you get caught by a lizard, you will not necessarily instantly die; if you survive, there's a window in which you can still throw things, and you can throw a rock to get it to release you||

[calm torrent]

oh yeah i know that

i tried it once because i noticed i could still jump while in their jaws

but its too hard

chance of missing is big atleast for me

and i don't think theres spears here

i know theres a spear, but in the next room

wait let me try this once more

got through it because for some reason he got flung

but when i tried to jump to the pole i have to go to

my charged jump broke 😔

just didn't work at all

may be the lag

just because of this i'll try again

[naive marsh]

I believe in you

The Leg is a hard area, so it's not abnormal for you to struggle

[calm torrent]

there is nothing i can do

theres like a little tunnel

but its not accessible

it probably is accessible but only through some movement techs i wouldidn't be able to learn in a lifetime

i died

this is why i want artificier

[naive marsh]

The tunnel on the left? It should be accessible just by jumping to the left, though...

[calm torrent]

i want to kill every creature that resides on this game

[naive marsh]

You can check your map to see the room's geometry to confirm

[calm torrent]

its only reachable through the top rock with a pole in it, but its too tight for that

[naive marsh]

Are you sure...?

[calm torrent]

there was a hidden tunnel 😔

[naive marsh]

Just by jumping to the left you can't reach?

Wait were you trying to jump through the hole above?

[calm torrent]

theres a hidden tunnel in the left wall

[calm torrent]

i was tryna jump on that rock next to the tunnel

[naive marsh]

Yeah this is the one I was confused how you couldn't get to

[calm torrent]

its camouflaged to the ambience

[naive marsh]

Yeah, checking the map might be pretty important, there's a few more hard to see tunnels like that-

That might be able to get you through that room consistently, at least

And you can always try:

• Let lizard notice you
• Fall down
• Go up via a tunnel

[calm torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343034761337372672/1472861069218414592/attachment-15.gif

this game truly is unfair

also what do these green lizards do they don't look like stealth ones but they look really powerful

i do have a spear

maybe i could crouch

[naive marsh]

My belief is that Rain World is never unfair, but your own ability to get out of seemingly unfair situations may be inadequate

(Just, as a general statement, not you specifically)

[calm torrent]

okay i have an idea

if the situation is unfair

why don't i make it fair by learning every single tech this game has to offer

not so unfair anymore

its like putting v1 to fight 2 dogs

[naive marsh]

You do realize the tech document is like a bajillion pages long, right?

[calm torrent]

i'll learn the best ones for each situation

[naive marsh]

(The actual number is like, 50 or 80 or something)

[calm torrent]

80 is fine

i can remember atleast 20 if i try to learn them

[naive marsh]

Also... I don't really think learning movement tech will help all that much

[calm torrent]

i've seen a flying tech

the lag will carry me if i try to do that

[naive marsh]

You will not learn wiggleflight

It requires frame perfect inputs

[calm torrent]

me?

[naive marsh]

(So I have heard)

[calm torrent]

i'm not talking about me

oh i'm talking about the macros

i wonder

[naive marsh]

...I hope that's a joke

[calm torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/charborg-char-borg-jolly-holly-gif-10143162407886626351

its not a joke but i'm not downloading a macro for this

i could engineer a double tap machine for 2 inputs, which is like A and D

and make it as fast as possible

with some manual assistency too

yeah i'm just joking about this, too lazy to do that but theorically

[naive marsh]

If you genuinely try using wiggle flight to get through the leg you will be spending far too much time to overcomplicate a solution

[calm torrent]

i could climb the entirety of the leg

just flying

[naive marsh]

Anyway, I can think of maybe 1 piece of tech that would be of use to you

[calm torrent]

throw it

[naive marsh]

I would not recommend you learn it specifically for this, but...

It's called Fast Pole Climb

[calm torrent]

how does it work

i know i can boost myself on poles but its very inconsistent

[naive marsh]

I can grab a gif, please hold

[calm torrent]

k

[calm torrent]

oh

i was thinking about something like that earlier but i didn't know it worked and was actually a tech

[naive marsh]

Even just learning to do it slowly could help

[calm torrent]

i was wondering if i could reset momentum when i like switched sides

apparently its true and it can be used for poles??

[naive marsh]

I usually intersperse my climbing with a few of these now that I know a bit of how to do it, and it is noticably faster, so it could be just what you need to outrun lizards

[calm torrent]

i'm gonna just rush through the lizards but i'll try to do it when theres a pole

[naive marsh]

There's definitely other solutions though

[calm torrent]

yeah probably

but this one looks fun

also

[naive marsh]

If you'd like to practice more, I'd recommend arena - sandbox is perfect for this

[calm torrent]

i didn't even know there was a sandbox

only if i knew that earlier

also

i have the watcher dlc activated ever since i started playing just remembered

i think it introduces new creatures and stuff

not sure

[naive marsh]

I think you're fine to stay here, I hear Watcher doesn't add anything to the vanilla campaigns that Downpour doesn't already

[calm torrent]

oh k

i'll try to get past this rq

[naive marsh]

It does not add new creatures, I know that much

[calm torrent]

got past it

[calm torrent]

i just found some worms

i can't get it out of my hand

is this something useful or like food

[naive marsh]

It is one of these things

[calm torrent]

i can't throw it i mean

is this a hook

they keep going around like ziplines

idk how i can use it though

[naive marsh]

...Are you tired of me saying "experiment" or do you need a direct answer?

[calm torrent]

no i don't really mind but for this one i'll need a direct answer

none of the buttons i know are working

even the "special" one

it keeps like

activating randomly

[naive marsh]

Have you tried jumping?

[calm torrent]

i have

nothing really happened

i'll try again then

[naive marsh]

...Ok well the answer is ||jumping while you're in the air ||

[calm torrent]

yo this is sick

i learned how to use it

is it learnt or learned

forgot

[naive marsh]

[calm torrent]

i feel like banjo kazooe or something

[naive marsh]

Learned

[calm torrent]

k thanks g

this game is sick when its not on the hard parts

[naive marsh]

So it's never sick?

[calm torrent]

i mean

kinda for now

most parts are hard

but what about other slug cats

survivor looks boring he doesn't have a fun gimmick

thats why i want artificier or spearmaster they look cool on the cat selection menu

[naive marsh]

The gimmick is you get to explore the world for the first time

[calm torrent]

i mean yeah

but i want bloodshed

i don't want to fear creatures

i want them to fear me

[naive marsh]

I'd advise you not to just rush through to the end for this

[calm torrent]

if this game ever gives me a character thats strongly offensive or has a cool gimmick related to hostility

[naive marsh]

You can do that as Survivor too, y'know

[calm torrent]

i mean

yeah i threw a grenade at an old man and stole his bananas

but i can't have any more grenades 😔

[naive marsh]

Who needs grenades?

[calm torrent]

i mean

wait

is there a slug cat that can punch stuff or like any way to punch creatures

i want to cause bloodshed through the most inconventional ways

yo g

tell me

these weird green worms from some regions ago

when i picked them up

they started flashing like timed bombs

[naive marsh]

And then...?

[calm torrent]

i never waited long enough to discover if they were actual bombs

but if they really are

i'm going to throw it at anything i see

death by larva

[grave ravine]

follows this thread

[calm torrent]

i hate that worm

yeah i'm taking a break from this

i'm stuck in a room

started to rain

😔

i'm gonna play sigma boy tycoon 2 player in roblox now goodbye

[sinful glacier]

you got spears and rocks bro isnt that enough 😭

[calm torrent]

i'm back

didn't watch any playthroughs yet

got too lazy

next time i stop i'll watch one

a hell naw bruh

stealth slizards can hide in pipe blind spots

if they werent stealth enough

this is worse than parasital poles

yo i just accidently learned wiggleflight

[ocean tiger]

accidentally? 🥹

[calm torrent]

yeah bro i give up on this game

first playthroughs are fun at the start

with NO spoilers

but everything has a breaking point

i could easily reconstruct a beautiful run with just the losses i've had in it

but if you use the same mug too many times it'll leave marks

or even break

mid game at first playthroughs are the worst things ever

yeah the games unfair on porpuse but

the games almost niche for a reason

not because its punishing

but its too harsh on new players

thats what makes most of them quit

i mean the games pretty skill based too, but some parts have insane rng aspects, in wheter a creature spawns or not, in wheter the creature's spawn location can be worked with or not

i was really resilient on this game

but no shield is unbreakable

only time i'm coming back to this game is when i watch 2-3 playthroughs and discover how to beat it

i give early game a strong 7.5/10, midgame a 3-5 at maximum out of 10, and about end game, i don't know yet the mid games too harsh to let me reach endgame withouth essential advanced knowledge

[naive marsh]

It's a shame to see you drop the game...

I find that many people drop the game, stop thinking about it, and then come back a year or more later

So if you've enjoyed it at all, that would be my recommendation

[naive marsh]

And also, on this point, there is far less RNG on this than you seem to think; the only thing with creatures that I would say is RNG is where you happen to first see them in a given cycle

[calm torrent]

thats the bad thing

i always meet creatures in terrible positions on my cycles

and theres nothing i can do about it at all

like the one i'm currently in

[naive marsh]

I think you can do more than you realize, but I unfortunately can't give any advice on the matter

[calm torrent]

theres a stealth lizard thats either hidden in pipes i have to go, or they're in poles, or they're grouped up on a key pipe i have to go to to reach the next rooms

i do realize i can restart cycles by eating enough and hibernating but then i wouldidn't be able to reach the next shelter

[naive marsh]

One thing I can say, though:

If you are not enjoying the game, take a break. Whether that break is a day, a week, or a year long, the game will be waiting for you when you come back and are less frustrated

[calm torrent]

i did take a 1 day break

still stuck on the same place

i mean the game is hard and all but i am NOT spending 5 hours to get past a single room because of my rng

[naive marsh]

Rain World is a difficult game. You are meant to struggle, and those struggles are meant to be overcome, but you should not put so much pressure on yourself to progress that you quit because you're stuck on one area for a while

[calm torrent]

the problem is

with pressure or not

it doesn't change the result

just like how seedlings can have mutations with a really low change, its just how i have to keep dying until i get past them

more complex steps in a mathematical equation won't change the result no matter what

i try to be positive but sometimes even clouds can't fully hide the sun

opportunities appear and i take them as much as i can

but even the sun has a time limit

wait

[naive marsh]

Wait a second... "even clouds can't fully hide the sun" would mean you can always see the sun, which would mean there's always hope

[calm torrent]

its the opposite

hope can't hide the result

no matter how big it is

[naive marsh]

[calm torrent]

but

all of this negativity is giving me hope

even if i don't believe in such a weird concept like hope

even vessels of two faces have sides

lowkey

i think i might do it

or should i get a macro to do some weird ass tech to absolutely fling lizards

[naive marsh]

PEP TALK SUCCESSFUL

[calm torrent]

WHO said i would start again

probabilities are never guaranteed

for someone to win someone has to lose

but all this negativity is giving me hopes

i remembered that

if you find comfort in the middle of the fire, you don't need anything else in life

i have seen the hell that resides in my mind but yet i search the heaven that persists in my heart

[calm torrent]

yo twin

you're uselessly helpful right now twin

you made me look at myself before looking at you again

withouth a single word

https://tenor.com/view/charborg-char-borg-jolly-holly-gif-10143162407886626351

[naive marsh]

(Help you're using language too flowery and metaphorical for me to tell what you mean-)

[calm torrent]

yo my bad

i just talk like that sometimes

its inconscient

sorry

[naive marsh]

Nah, it's fine

[calm torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390763671310831850/1430500831698096138/dancing_fungus.gif

[naive marsh]

What I did get out of it is: You will try playing the game again

And that is what I care about

[calm torrent]

this community can be as edgy or as strict as it can be, but as i said earlier, the empathy doesn't lack, no cloud can hide the sun fully

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-fire-fnaf-3-ending-hospital-disaster-gif-1976739374427047349

[sinful glacier]

what is that

[sinful glacier]

gonna give up on artificer if they still gonna keep having 50 lizards per room bro

[calm torrent]

far comparisons, but twins in essence

[sinful glacier]

if you think survivor is bad you havent struggled yet

theres different routes to different areas

[naive marsh]

Be careful of talking about campaigns the OP hasn't played yet

[calm torrent]

i don't mind

artificer is similar to survivor in their essence, they just have extra steps

[sinful glacier]

ok but difficulty wise its awful

[calm torrent]

in the end the result will always be the same

[sinful glacier]

lowk i guess i could try to reset the cycle if i wanna deal with less right?

[sinful glacier]

||like by killing them and sheltering||

[naive marsh]

Whoops

[calm torrent]

why'd you remove the message

[potent jungle]

🥹

[calm torrent]

@

[naive marsh]

Well, accidentally silent pinged felpers-

[old turtle]

Dont say things on a whim just in case it spoils the op

[sinful glacier]

ok

[calm torrent]

dw

[naive marsh]

There was a message I tried to reply with the ping to to get it removed but then it got removed already-

[calm torrent]

i don't really mind

[oak cape]

how do I put a spoiler on my message?

[sinful glacier]

i heard something about it but idk if its true

[calm torrent]

don't worry about most spoilers the only thing i want unspoiled in the endings

[sinful glacier]

and if it is true im gonna get it done asap

[azure harness]

It wasn't silent I got the notification

[naive marsh]

I would recommend making your own thread (or moving to your own if you already have one) rather than asking questions here

[azure harness]

And deleting doesn't remove notification

[sinful glacier]

ok

[oak cape]

I lowk spoiled the entire game for myslelf and haven't even beaten it all yet

[naive marsh]

I meant that I deleted the message

[calm torrent]

i spoiled some things for myself

[ocean tiger]

was wondering why i got pinged here

[naive marsh]

I know it still pings, of course

[calm torrent]

but for me, what do spoilers mean if no matter how many turns a train takes, it'll still reach its terminal

[naive marsh]

The one time I try to actually ping felpers when I see something spoilers and I messed it up

[azure harness]

Like
||this|||
||Spoilysss!!||

[ocean tiger]

best to not delete the message in the future anyway it's fine if it ends up resolved quickly, would rather be safe than sorry

[calm torrent]

i want to explode the game

[sinful glacier]

what do spoilers mean if no matter how many turns a train takes its still gonna explode on the first stop ✌️

[naive marsh]

Yeah I kinda just panicked 'cause then I ended up replying to the wrong message-

[azure harness]

Whyyyy it's a great game

[naive marsh]

'Cause the one I tried to reply to got deleted already-

[calm torrent]

no matter how rocky or tall a mountain is, the end will always be the same as the others

[calm torrent]

difficult for me

stuck in a room for the past 4 hours

exactly why i quit

[azure harness]

It's generally recommended to just ask one of us instead for that cause looking it up runs the risk of also getting spoiled on a lot of other things

[calm torrent]

so many times

[sinful glacier]

are there no other routes to a similar room

[sinful glacier]

or another

[azure harness]

Which room is it

[calm torrent]

no

i'm in the leg

[sinful glacier]

how do you know

[calm torrent]

i searched it all

[sinful glacier]

unless you explored the entire section ur in

[calm torrent]

explored the sections before the room and aside from the end

[sinful glacier]

what sector ru in

[naive marsh]

Those rooms are quite linear, unfortunately

[calm torrent]

i don't remmeber honestly

[grave ravine]

you can always backtrack if you need to

[calm torrent]

thats what they all say

[sinful glacier]

if worst comes to worst you could always look at a map or something

[calm torrent]

all roads lead to rome

[azure harness]

Alright a hint: ||who says you have to go through all that on your own??||

[calm torrent]

harsh times aren't just eliminated

they've got to be passed through

[calm torrent]

do i have to do it on multiplayer??

[azure harness]

Nope

[calm torrent]

worm?

[sinful glacier]

what sector ru in

do u know the name of it

[calm torrent]

idk like

the first

[sinful glacier]

the first??

[calm torrent]

its just the leg

[sinful glacier]

like outskirts?

[calm torrent]

what

[azure harness]

... Ye

[sinful glacier]

like

[calm torrent]

yeah i'm in outskirt's leg how could you know

[calm torrent]

didn't really help at all

whats the worm gonna do about the 2 stealth lizards camping 3 rooms in a row

[sinful glacier]

ok well

[azure harness]

You may want to experiment a bit more with it

[calm torrent]

6 separate lizards

camping tunnels

[sinful glacier]

do u want direct help on how to escape

[calm torrent]

i have to go through

and i'm surely not gonna go through any of the ones i haven't gone through like this

[naive marsh]

I would be careful giving advice that isn't explicitly asked for

Still

[south kernel]

That's not how the campaigns work whatsoever

Each is a separate story with different conclusion and new features/locations/worldstate to explore

[calm torrent]

was everything about campaigns or was it what it teached me with time

[south kernel]

Not just a reskin slugcat

[calm torrent]

no matter how many extra steps you add to a mathematical question

the result doesn't change

different slug cats, different campaigns, they all have a ending

their essences are all similar

[south kernel]

Well yeah?

But different plots entirely

That's like saying "oh yeah all movies are the same essence they all have an "ending" at the end"

[calm torrent]

i mean via lore they're all different

but all of them make you go through hell

[calm torrent]

so movies can't have an ending because they would all be too similar?

i said essence not form

https://tenor.com/view/charborg-char-borg-jolly-holly-gif-10143162407886626351

[south kernel]

You're speaking pretty cryptically ngl

[calm torrent]

what IS cryptically

i'm not american

and i am never truly using that word

[south kernel]

I'm not american either

[calm torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390763671310831850/1430500831698096138/dancing_fungus.gif

i'm too lazy to search up what it means

yo now i do

i'm not the riddler

[sinful glacier]

true that

some campaigns r more fun than others tho

so even if its super hell its cool

yeah they all have endings but idk if id be playing the game if it didnt

ik people wont just be roaming the city in gta without getting bored and doing something like campaign

outskirts cant be this bad bro

[potent jungle]

Means in riddles, vaguely, sometimes mysteriously, secretive

[calm torrent]

i never do campaign in gta 5 i only roam around with cars messing with stuff its way more fun

[sinful glacier]

rain world is similar

u can do whatever and roam

your choosing to be stuck in one spot because you think you’ve checked everywhere

(you haven’t)

if you need an answer on how to get out of outskirts just ask

and if its still too difficult you could always switch back to monk for a better experience

[naive marsh]

They're in The Leg, though...?

[calm torrent]

what is monk gonna do

is he gonna transcend into reality and pass through everything?

plus monk is weaker against lizards so theres nothing i could do with him

and the leg is just

like a staight line

there is nowhere else i could go

the only part that theres 2 options to go, one of them is blocked and the other is guarded by bad rng placed lizards in 3 rooms in a row

[naive marsh]

Monk does have a few things that make it easier

[calm torrent]

explain his light weight and low damage

how am i gonna get out of lizards

if hes the weight of a leaf

how am i gonna stun them

if its like throwing out pebbles at dragons

[naive marsh]

If you'd like a small, slightly spoilery list:

• ||Less, and generally less difficult creature spawns||
• ||Creatures are more likely to target creatures other than you||

[calm torrent]

theres only lizards

so the second part is useless

[naive marsh]

||Weight actually has very few impacts on gameplay||

[calm torrent]

but

it doesn't let me escape their jaws

[naive marsh]

Well, I suppose I should elaborate, then: It's more that they're more likely to ignore you in general

[calm torrent]

they're stuck in the pipes

[naive marsh]

Also stun times are unaffected

[calm torrent]

i meant with spears

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390763671310831850/1430500831698096138/dancing_fungus.gif

[naive marsh]

I would consider Monk being worth trying, at least

[calm torrent]

takes too long to get there again

[naive marsh]

You can also try exploring a different direction as Monk; it's an open world game, after all

[calm torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-yakuza-ps2-rgg-ryo-ga-gotoku-gif-16770380526250963582

how do i skip the leg

[naive marsh]

Well, if you want to go through it: Uhhhhh you don't

But remember that you don't have to go through this way

[calm torrent]

so can i skip from outskirts to the last part of the game because paths are optional

this game lowkey stresses me everytime i play it

there is NO balacing in fun there is NO good execution of fun there is NO chance that a person will fully beat the game in their first playthrough

[naive marsh]

I... I disagree

[calm torrent]

its like one of these games where it only gets fun after 80 hours of gameplay

[naive marsh]

I also disagree with that-

[potent jungle]

One of the biggest things about the game is the expectation that you learn when you play and it gets easier then

[calm torrent]

you or the game

expectations and happenings aren't the same 😔

i expect to get home and find a million dollars in my bed, but it doesn't happen

i expect to beat the terrible rng i have

but it doesn't happen

[naive marsh]

I think that's not the definition of expecting-

[calm torrent]

the chance is never zero

but just because of that it doesn't mean i'm gonna hit that 0.00001%

[calm torrent]

quite literary "99% of gamblers quit before they win" but rephraised

and more indirect

[potent jungle]

I think this is also one of the reasons that game critics despised this game

It's a sharp learning curve

[calm torrent]

i'm gonna be real with you now

[sinful glacier]

whrre thst

[calm torrent]

the game has high expectations, makes you learn how to go through a harsh experience

but in the end

[naive marsh]

You've... never been there?

[calm torrent]

its just a hard game

nothing more

just like grinding games

where you go through a lot of harsh moments just to win a reward in the end

[naive marsh]

I mean it's more than just being a hard/grindy game

[calm torrent]

but in its essence

[naive marsh]

But it can feel like that early on, I suppose

[calm torrent]

they're similar

[sinful glacier]

idk the names bro

[calm torrent]

i mean yeah the games hard and all and it can have fun

but much like grinding games

the fun lasts for seconds

then its all over the mountain again

[potent jungle]

If it is a game that's designed that way, why do you think people like it?

[sinful glacier]

wait so ru on survivor ir monk

[calm torrent]

thats why its community is niche, nobody plays it at first and enjoys it most of the time

[sinful glacier]

i thought u were on survivor

[calm torrent]

i am on survivor

[naive marsh]

Survivor, and switching back to Monk has been recommended

[sinful glacier]

whats the issue with survivor

[calm torrent]

i am NOT rewinding like 8 hours of gameplay just to beat a room

[sinful glacier]

ru stuck

[naive marsh]

Stuck in The Leg

[sinful glacier]

whats that look like

[calm torrent]

leg

[sinful glacier]

beo

[naive marsh]

I don't know how you haven't been there honestly-

[sinful glacier]

not helping

[sinful glacier]

i probably have

[potent jungle]

One of the biggest things I see within it is that it's a risk/reward type thing

[calm torrent]

and its always inconsistent

[sinful glacier]

i just dont remember what it looks

[calm torrent]

just how gambling is more inconsistent than like a low paying job

[naive marsh]

It's uhhhh got the green spark looking things floating around in the background and foreground?

Does that help?

[sinful glacier]

can i get a screenshot 😭

[calm torrent]

in the 100 years you'd spend to hit a jackpot, you'd have way more if you worked only with the low paying job

[potent jungle]

Yeah, it is the leg especially has a lot of punishing portions where it feels like there's no reward for it

My argument is the reward is the knowledge that you gain from learning from the deaths and things, but again you're right in that it's a difficult game

[sinful glacier]

anyways if you know where you to go it wont take you 8 hours to get out of outskirts

[naive marsh]

First room after the gate is this one

[sinful glacier]

as survivor

[calm torrent]

i've died over 50 times on this place

wheres the knowledge

[potent jungle]

That is just not true

[sinful glacier]

bro WHERE is this

[calm torrent]

no matter how smart you are

[sinful glacier]

ive never played monk

[calm torrent]

you can't change facts

[potent jungle]

Do you keep dying in the exact same way in the exact same place?

[calm torrent]

yeah

[potent jungle]

Have you tried methods to avoid dying that way?

[calm torrent]

bad rng

[naive marsh]

This is Survivor, and you can go there as Survivor-

[calm torrent]

there is NO other method to avoid dying the same way

[naive marsh]

Unfortunately, I think I have to say: This is factually wrong

[sinful glacier]

maybe ive been there i just didnt have as much trouble

but yeah atp switch to survivor

[calm torrent]

explain to me how would you deal with the first room having 2 stealth lizards guarding the only pipe you can go, then the next room has more 2 stealth lizards guarding the next pipe, then the next room too has 2 stealth lizards guarding the only pipe you can go to

[naive marsh]

The Leg is a pretty memorable area to me, even if you never struggled there, but...

[naive marsh]

Describe to me your current process/strategies

[sinful glacier]

i think i have

[potent jungle]

Sorry, if I'm being annoying, I'm just trying to understand your struggle here and see if there's a way I can help Rain World isn't for everyone, certainly, but I don't want you to feel totally discouraged

[sinful glacier]

idk if that was a spoiler

[naive marsh]

I don't think we'll have any chance of being able to help if we don't know what you're trying

[potent jungle]

It might not be wise to stay here if you're worried about spoilers

[sinful glacier]

but yeah from what i remember that area sucked

[calm torrent]

in the first room i go in the hidden pipes even if theres a stealth lizard guarding it, sometimes i can get past it, then the next room i just go up, then i try to evade the stealth lizard hiding in one of the pipes and distract the other lizard guarding the only pipe there, then the next room is just

i don't know how to explain it

2 more lizards guarding the same place, but since they can climb

theres nothing i can do

[potent jungle]

If you can, you can use noises to distract them, or use noise such as jumping to see how they react to spot where they are ahead of time

[calm torrent]

theres no way i can shoot spears at them because they spawn high

how do i use noises to distract them if they're quite literary in front of me when i get to the pipe

[potent jungle]

You can also bait them into room transition tunnels and do a little swap at the last second

[calm torrent]

stunning won't do since theres 2 of them

i could stun both but the first would wake up

i'm not the john wick of games either

[naive marsh]

If you can get them stunned at all, then maybe you could try killing them...? IDK

[calm torrent]

i used as much determination as i could to try and keep playing the game using all tips i could

but it doesn't work

[naive marsh]

I'm not really the best at advice for someone with this kind of struggle

[calm torrent]

nothing

never

[naive marsh]

[potent jungle]

Would you feel defeated if you left and either came back later, or found another way?

[sinful glacier]

i mean you could always go back through the gate right

🤔

[calm torrent]

i already left and came back multiple times

and there is no other way

the only other way is through the worm room but they can't reach the end

i've tried everything i could multiple times

[sinful glacier]

hmm

just drop monk and do survivor

[calm torrent]

i'm using survivor

[sinful glacier]

i think u were right

oh

[potent jungle]

Op is doing survivor

[calm torrent]

i did monk and then left because someone told me that i should only use it to test mechanics

[naive marsh]

But the reverse of that might be good advice, unsure

[potent jungle]

A campaign swap isn't going to help as much as it seems like it would

[naive marsh]

Ok well that was bad advice-

[calm torrent]

and get used to the game

[calm torrent]

it was you that gave me it

[sinful glacier]

lol

[naive marsh]

Was it?

[calm torrent]

yeah

[potent jungle]

Lmho

[calm torrent]

at the start

[naive marsh]

Welp-

Gonna need to find the quote on that one, then-

[potent jungle]

Yeah no fundamentally there is no correct way to do campaigns

So um

[calm torrent]

either you or the bunny guy that was with you in the start

[naive marsh]

And sorry if I'm the root cause of your trouble

[sinful glacier]

are there no things to fight then with tho

[calm torrent]

no

spears are limited here

don't have enough

and its 2 slizards in each room

so i'd need double the spears

[sinful glacier]

what color are they

[calm torrent]

stealth

[sinful glacier]

cool

[calm torrent]

they're stealth lizards

[sinful glacier]

oops

[sinful glacier]

do you want a direct answer on how to deal with that

[potent jungle]

Would you think it too risky to pull your spears back out of the lizard to throw again?

[calm torrent]

tried it like 4 times

i just need any answer

[sinful glacier]

ok

[calm torrent]

not even the wiggleflight i learned can help me

[potent jungle]

Wait you know wiggleflight🥹

[calm torrent]

a bit

learned accidently

[potent jungle]

Peak🥹

[calm torrent]

searched it up and found out it was wiggleflight

talked to mccool about it some days ago

[potent jungle]

What do you mean by this btw?

[calm torrent]

theres a room full of the grappling worms, theres a pipe at the top, but theres no support that i could use the worms in order to reach it so yeah

[sinful glacier]

lmk if u want a direct strat to get past them

[calm torrent]

wait hold up

just give me anything

[potent jungle]

Even with momentum?

[sinful glacier]

ok

[calm torrent]

i think i could use wiggleflight to reach the pipe

but again

i think it only moves to the same room i was stuck in

[sinful glacier]

||stealth lizards are very weak, spears will likely one shot them, you could try luring them to another room then throwing a rock at their head, then a spear at their rear, either causing them to die or run away||

[potent jungle]

There's not really a direct answer to anything, more just direct advice since any method is still somewhat reliant on chance

[calm torrent]

i don't have enough for 2 lizards

in every room

[potent jungle]

It moreso just sways chances heavily in your favor

[naive marsh]

You can pull spears back out of lizards

If you have one spear, you have enough

[sinful glacier]

pull out your spear from them

[potent jungle]

That is just not true

[calm torrent]

chances are heavily against my favor

[sinful glacier]

reuse reduce recycle

[sinful glacier]

wym

it makes them easier to fight

[potent jungle]

They do not die in one hit

[naive marsh]

If I remember correctly, they take 2 on average

[calm torrent]

stuck in a cycle where theres 2 lizards in every room i gotta go

[sinful glacier]

stealth ones? from survivor? they usually run or die after 1

[calm torrent]

i am NOT resetting my cycle like some other guy said

i didn't get a checkpoint before this one

[potent jungle]

Nope🥹 they do neither

[sinful glacier]

white lizards??

[potent jungle]

Yup

[sinful glacier]

bro idk how strong urs are

[calm torrent]

the past like 4 checkpoints in shaded cidatel, i didn't have enough food to use them only until i got here

[sinful glacier]

i swear as survivor they end up running after a good hit

[naive marsh]

You might be thinking of something else happening

[sinful glacier]

going through citadel is so awful

i hate that place

[sinful glacier]

have u tried the other modes

[calm torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/wega-gif-208268628442653912

what other modes

[sinful glacier]

in base theres another thats like an arena mode

[calm torrent]

useless

[sinful glacier]

that just spawns stuff that you can fight

[calm torrent]

ion got friends

[sinful glacier]

to practice

[naive marsh]

Arena could work for practice

[calm torrent]

and sandbox is useless

[sinful glacier]

thats what i did to get good at killing lizards

[calm torrent]

whats practice gonna do against an atomic bomb

[naive marsh]

Sandbox can be helpful for practicing combat and such

[calm torrent]

theres no way i could pratice some techs like getting above them and stunning them

[sinful glacier]

dont stealth lizards have some of the weaker stats

[calm torrent]

if half of them are on tunnels

[potent jungle]

Yeah no I get that

[sinful glacier]

trusty rock and spear

[calm torrent]

like its gonna work

[potent jungle]

I wish I could see you play so I could give some more direct tips

[calm torrent]

maybe

but leg is laggy enough

most i can do is send screenshots sometimes

[potent jungle]

That's so true lmho

[calm torrent]

the only way i can beat this

is if i had already beat the game

[naive marsh]

Getting above lizards is not a reliable strategy, by the way

You always want to be on the same level vertically

[sinful glacier]

only greens right

[calm torrent]

its like having a tutorial on how to beat an earlygame boss with endgame gear

[potent jungle]

You don't need this area to beat the game, so by this logic you don't technically need to be there

[calm torrent]

i meant because of knowledge and room experience

honestly

yeah i give up bro

i'm spoiling this entire game for myself

[sinful glacier]

ok

[calm torrent]

ion care about first experience if i can't experience it

[sinful glacier]

fair

thats what i did lowk

i used a map

[calm torrent]

i won't use no maps

i'm gonna use as many playthroughs as possible

its like telling someone to beat moonlord in their first playthrough

someone who knows about the game would get to him in a few hours

now someone in their first playthrough would take hundreds of hours

[sinful glacier]

not without looking stuff up thats for sure

[calm torrent]

exactly

[potent jungle]

Ah yes you've built your first npc house now go ||kill the cultists ||

[sinful glacier]

i didnt even know u could destroy demonite with bombs

[sinful glacier]

was fighting skeletron with gold armor 😭

[calm torrent]

i haven't even beaten eye of chtulhu yet but i know like 80% of the game's stuff

watched a bunch of playthroughs years before playing it

just how i'm doing with isaac right now

i used to watch playthroughs for it years before buying it

now i've got a bunch of stuff in it and i know what every single item does

[potent jungle]

I will say watching rw playthroughs won't show you a lot of methods to get through areas for a while as these people are learning as well

[calm torrent]

including trinkets and easter eggs

[potent jungle]

Mostly it will show you storyline

And lore

[calm torrent]

who said i'll watch a first playthrouger

[naive marsh]

AAAAAA I wish I had any tips for you but I really don't

[calm torrent]

you don't learn much with babies do you

nor can they learn much with eachother

[potent jungle]

This? Unless you meant starting campaigns for yourself

[calm torrent]

how do i start a campaign

[sinful glacier]

the same way u started the game

🤔

[calm torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-duck-gif-5717372584256233732

its like buying a skin for a character you haven't unlocked yet

yeah goodbye see yall in like 1 or 2 months

maybe even days if i take this seriously

or a year if i forget about this game

or maybe i uninstall it so i have enough memory for risk of rain 2

[sinful glacier]

if u do that its better to restart the campaign

and go another route

[calm torrent]

i went 2 routes

took one with monk

[potent jungle]

Or go the same route

[calm torrent]

then the other with survivor

[sinful glacier]

did they both lead to the leg

[calm torrent]

yeah

[naive marsh]

My recommendation if you don't want to play is to just drop the game and come back in like a year or two; it genuinely works for some people for it to click with them like that

[sinful glacier]

have u tried making sure to explore every room before u decide to leave the area? theres cool stuff u could miss

[calm torrent]

man

i'm gonna do something about this

i already know about sum moon and 3 pebbles or something and an anti gravity placfe

the rest of the playthroughs await me

see yall

[south kernel]

That is a lie, in this first playthroughs channel you are next to hundreds of other people playing for the first time who were able to beat it

The game doesn't mesh with everyone and that is fine if you didn't like it. But, it is a completely fair and approachable game if you give it the patience and open mind for experimentation that it deserves.

[calm torrent]

okay i'm next to hundreds of other people who were able to beat it, now tell me how many people have quit this game on their first playthrough

most people only show the product's positives

but never its cons

to get the attention and make it look big

but when you really look into it

theres a huge shadow behind it