#Watcher 1.5 Spoiler Thread

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lean bolt
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so uh, for the weaver ending

... is there literally any way you're supposed to find your own portals if you don't remember where they were?

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or are you just.. expected to spend hours trying to recall where in an entire region you dropped one

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I've been taken to Coral Caves and Shrouded Stacks now via random warps after my 4th weaver visit, which everything I've read tells me that there are dynamic portals in these regions that I need to close

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but... where?

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Feels like I've been half across both and have not found any, I don't recall making dynamic warps here

silver ravine
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Theres indicators on the map that shows closed and open portals

lean bolt
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Interesting 🤔

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but are those the indicators for normal warps or your portals?

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as I don't think the normal portals matter for weaver

silver ravine
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Both

lean bolt
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... So if I don't see indicators on the map where a normal portal shouldn't be, then there's no dynamic warp there?

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that.. actually makes this harder.

ive been told that after meeting with the weaver 4 times, to get the ending you need to seal all dynamic warps, and your random warp takes you to regions that have portals in need of sealing.

but twice now, tis' taken me to a region that does not have any.

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yeah even with the aid of warp menu to warp to every "destination" point in the region, there are no portals in what is now the third region i've hopped to.

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... what the hell does it expect me to do? I'm so lost :c

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I wish getting the endings wasn't this tedious tbf

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... ST portals count. Not just mine.

msinformation/hearsay has gotten me Yet again. sigh.

cinder plume
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i honestly don’t know, maybe check the room with devtools

lean bolt
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What should you do if no matter what you do

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you have 2/4 portals open in Outer Rim...

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and they won't seal?

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I can enter them as many times as I want, come out the other end -- see the portal seal (A portal that is never there when I visit them from that region's side, only when I exit from Outer Rim)

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but then when I hibernate, the line is still there from that region to Outer Rim, and the portal is always still active when I return to Outer Rim.

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Did I just waste several hours grinding away for my save to break?

humble geyser
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you only need to seal portals with solid line connections

lean bolt
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🤔

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so one like this?

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Torrential Railways doesn't have an unsealed portal in it, but I haven't checked Coral Caves.

humble geyser
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if you do an up + special warp you always go somewhere you can make progress

lean bolt
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Hmn, it's taken me to a few places that genuinely did not have portals before, hence why im so... lost, I guess

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I also notice Daemon and Outer Rim share a solid link.

humble geyser
lean bolt
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am I to seal that one too, then?

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i didn't think you could

humble geyser
lean bolt
humble geyser
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it's a long animated one for some reason

lean bolt
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hunh

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strange

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alright. I'll keep it up, thesea re the last two solid links I see.

one last question, if you don't mind? (thank you btw)

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when I seal the last portal, will there be a sign to let me know it's done?

or should I just march on over to daemon

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I've been at this for hours, i've become weary

humble geyser
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just keep doing manual warps, you will know when you are done

lean bolt
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got it. thank you very much.

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... i actually might be fucked.

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This is a save (a rather early one to be frank) from before Watcher 1.5's release.

Coral Caves and Torrential Railways have a connection... but they shouldn't.

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say I refer to the wiki, Coral Caves does not (anymore at least) have any connection to the region.

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... but my warp map says they do.

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likewise, all portals I can see on my map in Coral Caves? sealed.

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Every portal I can see in Torrential Railways? sealed.

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the third pillar in daemon is not lit, either, so it definitely doesn't consider me as having completed the quest...

humble flower
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just ignore that and seal all remaining portals

lean bolt
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\that's my problem sadly

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the only "Remaining portals" I can find

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are in Outer Rim, and they won't close no matter how much I try.

humble flower
lean bolt
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The sole remaining solid line on my warp map is Coral Caves and Torrential Railways.

whenever I use my dynamic warp to find a place with active portals

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it just takes me to a region where I have already sealed every last one

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i mean.. i'll look harder, I guess. but.. it seemed pretty absolute that I had'nt missed anything.

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i'd love to be wrong

humble flower
lean bolt
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i hope so 😔

humble flower
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what region is it?

lean bolt
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checking now actually

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Salination, surprisingly.

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reminds me that earlier I tried to do a manual dial warp

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to Torrential

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and it put me in Salination anyways

humble flower
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check if you’re missing any of those

lean bolt
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Holy shit.

Yep.

How did... I miss this? ... whar?

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It's ||Shattered Terrace.||

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let me see if sealing this ends my woes

humble flower
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there it is! monksilly

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gl :3

lean bolt
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thank you monknervous

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seems a mod is interfering.. I definitely did it, but the resulting event has them blinking in and out of appearance when I use mvoement keys.

hunh. .. time to bugtest I guess 😔

ionic mist
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Mods are gonna be pretty buggy if not explicitly stated to be working monksilly

lean bolt
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Unfortunately. A risk I had decided to take. Let me see if the save explodes as I turn them off.

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Found it.

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Weaver Glitch
Weaver Bug
Weaver Vanishing
Weaver Flicker
Weaver Ending Bug

It's SBCameraScroll. If you tried to do your dynamic warp and suddenly it cut to the weaver and nothing happens, you are bugged and it's SBCameraScroll. Turn it off! As of right now it breaks this sequence.

monksilly Good luck~!

humble flower
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of course it’s SBCameraScroll smh

humble geyser
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camera scroll breaking the part of the game with a scrolling camera, who could have guessed monksilly

lean bolt
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i found that amazing, the only part of the game with a scrolling camera

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the awe was two fold.

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  1. Rain World screen with a scrolling camera
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  1. the fact the scrolling screen is broken by the scrolling screen mod
humble geyser
lean bolt
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you are correct

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i have not done Depths in ages im gonna be real

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i'm a sucker for Downpour's OE ending monkblush

humble geyser
lean bolt
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no don't do this to me

my memory is awful (for the more specific things like that)

humble geyser
humble flower
humble geyser
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camera scroll jumpscare

humble flower
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it’s terrible

ionic mist
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That's fucked actually how did it never click that the screen scrolls in vanilla too

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Still way more jarring in watcher tho

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Side scrolling feels so weird

lean bolt
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Ending #4 was... a ride.

Im kind of.. almost saddened?

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the bastards. they found a way to do it to me again.

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||Once again, I was forced to take a dip into the void sea...!||

restive wing
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ah the classic! ||everything goes back to the void eventually!||

lean bolt
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A brimming cup of ||Void Fluid||

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Honsetly I think i like the open endedness of Ending #3 more, doesn't seem like that's a common take? but I haven't really read enough to be sure. huntershrug

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"the choice" is certainly a ride and has a lot of thought provoking things in it... I just don't like how it ends artiwh

echo bobcat
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ah 1.5 spoiler thread...

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anyways

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watcher pearl stuff: debug mode is very helpful for debugging image pearls and text pearls if it renders well

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it simply removes the hologram projector effect and becomes a flat composition on the screen

echo bobcat
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also you can animate element properties monksilly

cinder plume
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found it! its called terraingrasspatch

river rune
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Finally they patched the bug that prevented me to spawn rot prince

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I was having to use warp mod to spawn it

river rune
echo bobcat
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you can check the image assets used in the image and text pearls (like the fonts and stuff) in the pearlslides folder in the watcher mod folder

subtle rover
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Yoo so excluding ||Ancient Urban|| (havent been yet), there's only ||15 coloured pearls|| across all regions and no more? I havent seen any others in my scouting

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Minus of course the base game ones you can bring with you

subtle rover
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Whatever the case I definitely got ||15|| but of course ts is back again rivflabbergasted

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why do they keep mitosing monkwail

ionic mist
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Probably issues with key item tracking

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Happens sometimes, tho that's a lot of duping, more than usual

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You got any mods on?

subtle rover
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at one point i got fed up trying to retrieve pearls from badlands and get them back to signal spires to take them all through to shattered terrace so I enabled dev console and spawned the ones i had stored at badlands, mainly because the new warp ability is buggy and would never let me return through it without the game breaking, after shelter or not. but the pearl weirdness got really out of hand after spawning them so i reverted the save and just raw dogged it basically, now I have them all at shattered terrace

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Yes I do

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Mainly some qol stuff/DMS

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But excluding the officials, remix, MSC, watcher, expedition, basically a handful with no outdated ones

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All the bugs ive experienced have happened both with and without mods, i tested

ionic mist
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interesting

subtle rover
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Not a big deal with the duplication but it just means i have to make a few more trips because im not sure which of the duplicates is the original and which ones will or will not despawn

ionic mist
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I mean it's most likely a key item tracking thing, especially if you've been messing with dev console stuff, but yeah

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realistically none of them should despawn

subtle rover
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I have it disabled at the moment and i did revert to a backup after trying to use dev console and deciding it wasnt worth it

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Weird, so key item tracking can cause that? I was under the impression it just showed where special items were on map view but does it do something else

ionic mist
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it respawns pearls that have been deleted/taken somehow to their most recent room

subtle rover
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ahhh

ionic mist
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so key item tracking can fuck with the way that ends up working, and dupe pearls sometimes

subtle rover
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Right that makes sense yeah

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I remember this always happening for the whole time ive played Rain world tbh

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we really got Silksong before pearl dupe fix lizblueplead

ionic mist
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pearl dupe is pretty low priority I think

subtle rover
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yeah i know it's not a big deal just feels like it's been around forever

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maybe it becomes one of those things that never gets fixed on account of it being an original quirk

silver root
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happens because the Key Item Tracking is weird and difficult to work with

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haven't been able to trace it down, but I also didn't find a consistent way besides the one where you spit it out in a gate crossing

subtle rover
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yeah i can imagine it being difficult

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like, the situations that need to be considered to revert a pearl, dropped off screen, taken by scav, technically on-screen but in an unreachable spot etc

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and keeping them in the exact same spots otherwise, like a new object world placement initiated by the player themselves

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idk

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Anyway i wouldnt even bring it up to be honest if it werent for the fact that out of all ||15 watcher pearls||, like 2/3 of them are just different shades of purple lmao

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Good luck if you're color blind lol

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if i had to guess i'd say its almost definitely something to do with warping

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maybe by forcing watcher to drop whatever theyre holding triggers something in key item tracking

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because after moving them all from spires to terrace, using the warp maaany times, i have about 6 duplicates when there was 1-2 before

echo bobcat
loud trout
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oh 7 hour difference saintsmirk

echo bobcat
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imma send the lock screen wallpaper

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iphone x resolution tho

loud trout
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i dont use an iphone (never had one) but idrc

echo bobcat
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i think it would work well for some android phones

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bc i was thinking it might not be large enough for some smartphone screens

barren snow
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watcher windchimes 1.5 update question
my question for watcher 1.5:

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||do i have to close EVERY possible rift?||

humble geyser
barren snow
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or ones i have discovered

humble geyser
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yes including ones you havent found

barren snow
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thank you for the info

humble geyser
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an up + special warp will always send you to a reigon you can make progress in, and whenever you warp a trail of ripplespac threads connetcs to the nearest portal. Also, weave rmight just seal some of those portals you haven't found yet for you

barren snow
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damn

barren snow
humble geyser
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every time you close one, they also close one

barren snow
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might be me though

barren snow
humble geyser
barren snow
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do they always spawn near pipe entrances at around the edge of their radisu of where they spawn near portals

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or is it the entire room thats affected

humble geyser
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it usually covers most of the room, though I think it's clustered around the pipe it wants you to go through

barren snow
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thank nyou

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Time to Use the Watcher Interactive Map Because Im Not Bothered To Spend 5 hours Finding Them All by myself

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😂

humble geyser
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signal spires, desolate tract, and shattered terrace are notorious for people losing track of the threads

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big rooms with paths you didn't know existed

barren snow
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well not fixed

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do they direct you better in bigger rooms

humble geyser
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no it's just a side effect of big rooms

barren snow
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im crying

humble geyser
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there are auroras in certain larger rooms that also lead you but it's rarely visible and the extra detail probably confuses people more than just saying "look around more in large rooms"

echo bobcat
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uhhhh watcher's gone

subtle rover
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heyo no spoilers re. the weaver and what entails pls but can you get the third ending after the second (rot) ending?f

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I know meeting the weaver too many times locks you out of rot ending but what about the inverse

humble geyser
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this is the spoiler thread, if you are worried about spoilers I would ask questions in #1342915289595248701

subtle rover
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mb

humble geyser
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this chat has unspoilered 1.5 watcher discussion

subtle rover
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thanks tho. Since ending 1 doesnt affect anything i know the right order now. No idea what the 4th could be but ill figure it out

wheat dagger
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iretator

ionic mist
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Human resources iterator 🥹

warped sandal
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my best friend ever :3

wise fern
wise fern
jolly solar
subtle rover
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Soooo

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I cant figure out pillar grove tbh

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There are some rooms that make it seem like the future version of Desolate Tract

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but plenty of other rooms dont line up

wise fern
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It's just its own place

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With some visual similarities to other regions

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A lot of regions have shared motifs

subtle rover
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Because I swear there's a room that's near identical

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ok well its not identical but its damn reminiscent

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and just what in the nine hells is this lmao

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ancients really be buildin structures for the purpose of incomprehensibility

wise fern
subtle rover
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Seems to be a lot of that in Watcher regions

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Like Rusted wrecks is also very similar in architecture

wise fern
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Pillar prove gives me outskirts vibe

subtle rover
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but also has parts similar to Verdant waterways

subtle rover
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And i agree

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Although my experience yielded SO MANY LIZARDS in every room lol

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There were nine lizards in one single screen room at one point

wise fern
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The only regions rhat are very definitively future versions of other regions are

  • aether ridge (heat ducts and aerial tramway] become the Surface
  • Verdant becomes Fractured sometime seemingly post iterator
subtle rover
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Yeah I mean you can tell those just from the region names

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So i guess theres a definitive there

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ALTHOUGH

wise fern
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Whilst badlands isn't verdant, the fact it has one of the waterwheels from verdant as well as the locusts that would eventually inhabit Fractured makes me think Badlands might be near Verdant

subtle rover
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That would imply that Torrid Desert is the future version of desolate tract

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because

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Torrid = WTDA
Desolate = WTDB

subtle rover
wise fern
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I think the difference is that desolate tract is a very distinct region from Torrid... compared to Fractured which is literally just Verdant if you smashed it up

subtle rover
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Makes me wonder why the region name is shared tho

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Yeah the architecture is definitely different

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The sort of square-tooth shape walls

wise fern
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Desolate was originally planned to be a Torrid subregion

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Before being separated into its own thing

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Honestly Fractured is interesting for both being future verdant, as well as seemingly being post-iterator

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I mean, there's no rain to be seen

subtle rover
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Right that makes sense

wise fern
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(I also feel putting Badlands and Torrid into the same time bracket makes sense, since they are the sandstorm regions) - migration path is very weird

subtle rover
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Yeah I consider rain-less regions the same, minus Terrace, SS and AU

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While BL and Torrid kinda fit the same, in my head i never lumped them together for some reason

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Yeah they both are deserts but in my mind they're deserts like one could be the Mojave, one could be the Sahara

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igym

wise fern
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I do like the idea that seems to be shown that without rain. We kinda get bogs (Fractured) or Deserts (torrid and badlands)

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I do think Torrid and Badlands are seperate deserts

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But they both deserts

subtle rover
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Yeah

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Gateways also has the sand grubs

wise fern
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Outer Rim is also kinda a desert, though there is a chance its simply so far out that the rain doesn't reach it, it could also be post-iterator

subtle rover
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Makes me wonder if both VWW/FG and Badlands are the ground parts of whatever location the Signal Spires are in, given the whales

subtle rover
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The rain event there is also a sandstorm but its definitely nowhere near BL or FG/VWW

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Also it's... literally on the edge of the world.

wise fern
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Which is elaborated on in the cold storage pearl

subtle rover
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Alright alright ima run away now and go get these pearls read rivsob

wise fern
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I love how some watcher pearls are super lore significantly, and some are just trolling you

subtle rover
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Also do you know if the mark of communication is at all relevant to the pearl reading|?

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Ive heard you can now get it somehow in 1.5 but i have no idea what the reason would be

wise fern
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Pearls with dialogue can only be understood with the mark

subtle rover
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since you already understand speech somehow

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right

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hmm

wise fern
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You naturally get the mark during the progression to the final ending (then you can reload after the ending and you will have it)

subtle rover
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Okay thanks

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Also I have DMS on with some basic scug look changes, do you know if that would affect the changes you get by meeting the Weaver

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Like should I turn it off

subtle rover
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Okay thanks

wise fern
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I'm not sure if it affect it, but better to be safe or sorry

subtle rover
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Yeah the tail one makes me think it does since you can set tail size/length/width and the first change is your tail gets longer

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I just dont particularly love the base scug look

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Thanks

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I've been making backups so i can get all endings

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AFAIK, ending 1 has no effect and is unaffected by other endings, ending 2 (rot) cannot be gotten if meeting weaver too many times, ending 3 locks out ending 2 but cannot be locked out

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I cant really imagine what a 4th ending would entail though. Any no-spoiler vague direction in that sense?

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Because im thinking three endings for three entities, so how would a 4th possibly be reached

jolly solar
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evil fucking room

restive wing
jolly solar
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WAIT I KILLED ALL OF THEM ONE CYCLE OH GOD

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THAT ROOM IS JUST KELP HELL

restive wing
subtle rover
jolly solar
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wait why is this guy meaner than normal

subtle rover
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I know theres a secret room on the map i cant enter yet, thats all i know so ill just keep going

jolly solar
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why are there a bunch of mean lizards in Pillar Grove

subtle rover
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Thanks a lot

restive wing
jolly solar
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LESS MEAN STRAWBERRY!!

subtle rover
jolly solar
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OH WAIT HES LESS MEAN

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eyesight has been blurry today :(

subtle rover
subtle rover
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So hes actually more mean

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:(

jolly solar
subtle rover
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What does this stat actually do, genuinely

jolly solar
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for example, Fern is completely friendly

jolly solar
subtle rover
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I thought it was some weird lineage-related statistic you know, like mean as in average as in all elements divided by count

jolly solar
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wha

subtle rover
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right thats way fucking funnier

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Mean

jolly solar
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"mean" as a variable simply dictates how friendly they are

the higher the "mean" attribute, the more aggressive they are

for example all the white lizards on The Leg have the "mean" attribute set to 1

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omg friendly white lizor

subtle rover
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Like the mean of {3,5,12} is (3+5+12)/3 = 6.666666667

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This makes a lot more sense pahahaha

jolly solar
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gang why is the peach lizard unlock in rusted wrekcs

subtle rover
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zonkerdoodles are just different specimens entirely

subtle rover
jolly solar
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there's a total of 10 there

subtle rover
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huntershruggy still there, idk

jolly solar
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coral caves only has six rivflabbergasted

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turbulent pump has 8

subtle rover
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Peach lizards are odd though they're basically lizard Megazord

jolly solar
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migration path has 12

subtle rover
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They are land and aquatic like salamanders/eels, they can burrow like skinks, they communicate like yellows, theyre scrungly like strawberries

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Oh and they got the tongue

jolly solar
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they're immune to stun

subtle rover
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Oh that too

jolly solar
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and they eat barnacles

subtle rover
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That seems like a unique ability though right

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Attributed to the head shape

subtle rover
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And I swear i've seen them in modded playthroughs before

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Or at least the way they look and the head

jolly solar
subtle rover
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ah that yeah

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maybe its just the size

jolly solar
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these stupids

subtle rover
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single celled

jolly solar
subtle rover
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still not white lizard behaviour

jolly solar
restive wing
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ive seen white lizards camo as GREEN. among NON GREEN backgrounds.

subtle rover
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Idk every time i encounter a white lizard they're either apex predator or useless wigglo making sad frustrated sounds

jolly solar
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yeah

restive wing
subtle rover
humble geyser
# subtle rover

creatures can only track 5 things at once, when a lizard encounters a large pile of corpses constantly making sounds they constantly grown at it, but in this case it's too far away from the white lizard for them to want to uncloak and eat them

subtle rover
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No it silly lizor

smoky sandal
# subtle rover

The king of sunflower boxes
(That's the name given to the tile in the level editor)
They definitely used props to size it up, funny room

loud trout
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sunflower box god

smoky sandal
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Also fun fact migration path is aether ridge too

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/srs

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They added future versions of the sky islands rooms which were added as a connection to aether ridge in the original mod

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Credits to a guy in the watcher spoiler channel who figured this out

dapper pewter
smoky sandal
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He might be busy or stuff

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If wrayk reads this, share us your knowledge and give us an answer

dapper pewter
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summary execution from wrayk in 10... 9... 8...

smoky sandal
dapper pewter
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I cannot reply in a manner coherent to this conversation

barren snow
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i think i encountered a game breaking bug (spoiler warning)

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i||beat one of the new watcher endings|| and the ||score got stuck on counting enemies, meaning its counting infinitely|| 😭

barren snow
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i thought the pain would end

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No i have to probably go through the Entire Thing Again

formal patio
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If I sized it up with props it would’ve been pixelated

smoky sandal
earnest shuttle
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someone pls help meeeee

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ive closed all the rifts except for some of the Daemon rifts, the shattered terrace - ancient urban rift and the outer rim - daemon rift

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should closing the outer rim - daemon rift do the trick?

humble geyser
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if you do an up + special warp you will always be sent to a region you can make progress in

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you only have to seal portals with solid line connections

humble geyser
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if you need a further hint ||after you warp follow the strings, they lead you to the nearest portal||

earnest shuttle
humble geyser
earnest shuttle
earnest shuttle
humble geyser
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no you don't have to seal that one

earnest shuttle
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whatttttt

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i went to the dial and i havent filled up enough worms

earnest shuttle
humble geyser
earnest shuttle
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ohhh right okay, i can just do that whenever? cool

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OHHH normal warping

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not the down plus special

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alr, but wont that make an extra warp that i have to close?

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IM IN BLAST DECK??? WTF

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ohhhh i never really went to aether ridge!!! holy shit!

torpid shadow
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is this the right place to ask about finding the new content?

humble geyser
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this is the thread where you talk about stuff without spoilering it

torpid shadow
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ah

humble geyser
still sluice
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(MAJOR END GAME SPOILERS)

Yay . . . BABA_IS_ANGUISH

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||I’m not too sure why the glowing effect didn’t appear for me but oh well I did it none of the less||

eager falcon
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does this mean RIP Unfortunate Evolution?

formal patio
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I forgor

harsh bear
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You know what would you remember? Publishing the watcher editor monksilly

dapper pewter
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pls allow jomes jimate to publish the editor, wrayk 🥺 we'll sell you our souls, can confirm ✅

loud trout
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jame primate

warped sandal
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now that funky visuals are actually possible on the slug cats with ||Weaver|| watcher being a thing it would be pretty awesome sauce if Hunter could get that same sort of treatment

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character spoilers

glacial hatch
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this portal is closed yet the map says its still open..

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also im just now realizing the geometry on the map looks like a lizard head

echo bobcat
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i think theres a bug where certain warps that were already closed doesnt get updated in the map. i keep encountering it and it updates that its closed