#Watcher 1.5 Spoiler Thread
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CONSIDER:
somehow
wait was the scene water also green like the dream lemme chekc
yeah idk why only that one matches the sequence
IT IS (DARK) GREEN LOL
the other 2 dont
it is exactly identical to the prince dream
its weird
and I found the climb overall vaguely reminiscent of the throne
spinningtop's and the weaver's dont match the pattern at all so idk why the prince's does
even dazs was like "its the dream again!"
its just too similar to not immediately remind you of it
theirs don't show up, really
can you spoiler true ending stuff please
the weaver one kinad looks like, the current events
what if its a
past
present
future?
well even the obelisk is lined this way
is not really
i can't get home for another few hours so i can't check out the endings til then
spinny - weaver - prince
spinny dream (ascension but stayed)
Weaver dream (travel thru everywhere)
prince dream (surfacing from water and see the scene of ... a forest)
Don't forget promo art with Survivor on it and broken background with Watcher's eyes
Going purely of vibes, maybe it's supposed to allude to how far we separated from normal slugcat life?
I KNOW I WAS SO HAPPY THAT ART IS RELEVANT.......... ITS SO COOL
GOD
I want to specifically know why the prince is tied to a jungle
its actually top 3 greatest part of this whole update for me
like why does the prince dream involve what it does
when i saw it initially i was like aint no way this is just to aura farm and has 0 relevance to the actual campaign
the weaver and top dreams make sense to their characters
yea ^ that too
weaver depicts the shattered reality and top is about ascension
weaver definitely went everywhere to fix shit
both of which are their main ideas as characters
spinny is kinda like mid ascension but didnt feel so ready about it
the prince is a jungle
well we still dont know what the final scene of the waver cutscene is
its funny playing through the game with survivors colors
with the 2 converging lines
the prince dream is definitely an enigma
i remember people saying the theory of "watcher feels lonely after spinny left, and meeting prince again is like surfacing from drowning, a new hope to latch onto"
that makes sense until we experience it in-game
does anyone know where the weaver portal appears in the surface?
if it was symbolic, why do we experience it again in person
where did you open it shrug
||the prince also seems oddly weird in the final ending||
||his state feels inconsequential||
the prince appears regardless of blooming
I wonder if that will change come full release
hm
dont you find it weird || as the game start just forcefully taking u thru places, prince's entire throne is gone and the open flower is exposed to open air and prince was like well what a lovely view! ||
the only thing i feel is dumb is the retroactive ||mark of communication||
is so obvious they didnt know where to put it lmao
||technically the whole bulb is turned 180 to face the left now (compare to facing right side of screen where we usually enter, too ||
the thing is they didn't have to put it anywhere
I think it's intentional
||the void worm from the saint ending is already a different color from the one in survivors ending, isn't it? i dont see why the color of its skin would be a problem... also, what is the matter with videocult showing the transformation take place but not all the way? saint barely turned all the way into an echo during that animation imo and we dont see people saying "nah thats not an echo", like, its obviously an echo, and watcher was obviously turning into a void worm or a weaver variant of one i suppose, but still. another thing i didnt mention that really messes with me is that whenever the watcher meets a supernatural thing they apparently get forcedly assimilated partially with that thing - getting spinnig top's abilities, the weaver's abilities, and apparently turning into a void worm in the void sea, that also makes my head explode||
i m kinda confused base on how dasz play, when he get it it was a bit too late, the game is just forcefully taking him places
||originally all the pearl slides were meant to be visual or audio, but that was out of scope so they settled for some text based ones, therefore the need to put the mark somewhere in the last weeks of development||
is just a gamplay compromise afaik
unless hes suppose to continue after that to go back to waua
i do think is fitting for him to give it to you
is just silly how you keep it
after loading a save file lol
survivor in the fucking portal trenches wondering where the fuck will his family be
|| ok first thing first the one in saint was a dif color? i completely dont remember LOL ||
I think it's a very weird sequence
the latter half is pretty easy to understand from a basic level
The rot portal?
there's stuff to wonder but it puts its cards on the table
yes, way more white than the survivor one
can we stop pretending saint lore relates to this whatsoever lmao
and also || the saint turning into an echo was really obvious tho, echo is a them ascended yet decided to not go all the way to the other side, and they stayed, saint is kind of the same. thats an echo just repeating like some weird messiah or somethiing ||
||saint turning into an echo makes like acutally no sense||
specially after what this DLC showed about spinningtop and the echoes in general
i mean im not here to talk about saint im here to think is that sausage ending really a worm or something entirely different
I am in a region with the feather icon and idk where to find whe weaver portal. Is it where the rot portal is?
yea well msc... msc lore in general... yea............
i like this comment in dazs's video
i do wonder if the apperence is meant to convey that we are diferent or that is just a younger state
answer 3 questions, ask 20 more
It should be a part of a warp spot
ok
that one deleted tweet in chinese about watcher dlc back in march is everything
you ask james primate what he wants, he says he wants freedom
(the freedom of creativity)
ohhhhhhhhhhhh
thats possible actually
kinda like how some stuff change color as they grows
(Ending 4) ||My opinion is that the differences are simply jusy because Watcher just transformed and they will probably grow into a full void worm after a bit|||
but i wasn't relating one lore to the other, just the conclusions we take from them, and ||saint turning into an echo does make sense to me||
||from smol sausage to big sausage||
i do wonder how "common" this is then
i dont relaly like that interpretation
my question is
||I do assume part of why this happened to Watcher is the weaver giving them the jaundice magic||
Should I bring an eel lizard from fetid glen to ancient urban?
why did this happen
since the prince in particular feels like one in a lifetime event
||why did watcher lose control and start warping around||
||why did spinning top giggle before it happened||
||Since the feathers on watchers tail do become like "fins"? I guess||
no purpose in life, no want ascension, no want rot, lets heal da world and be helping lost souls forever
||what is the prince dream, why is the prince there||
i actually think that could be all the possibilities collapsing down
that would make sense
since then we see ||order being restablished arround daemon||
i should duck out of this channel
I didn't take that as the same thing
probably
spoiler channel
if you want to avoid spoilers don't engage with the spoiler channel lmao
||Do you think there's any significance to the slugtree area simply being a hidden part of Daemon or was it jusy so they could avoid having to make another region||
I assumed the reorganization was caused by the ending of the weaver
that whole arc
hence the golden threads between the ripples
it did happen before any of this tho
not retyping
||Watcher and the Weaver just watch eachother then weaver kinda fucks off||
like why does it ||mimic us?|| why do we ||wake up in daemon?|| where ||did it go after that?||
I think the weaver and the watcher are the same thing
i dont think so
is the weaver not reminiscent of the watcher though
hmm
||I can't tell if the void weaver is mimicking watcher and gained eyes or is those are just it's natural eyes (similar to void worms) and it for some reason has been holding its eyes shut this whole time||
yes but we enter a chicken or egg scenario
||if you covered the watcher worm in feathers, you'd have something pretty close to the weaver||
do we? or is it a cycle
a line becoming a cycle becoming a point
idk if is ||mimicking or revealing its true form|| but what i 100% know is that the ||similarities between watcher and weaver faces is intentional||
its the only thing the ending makes quite obvious
||Why do all the eldritch entities have goofy big eyes? Void Worms did it first, then weaver||
thats so mean
eyes are the window to the soul idk
Void Worms are so opposing till you see their little heads with their big eyes
||movement along the line, from distant to origin||
that's not confirmed
where
the weaver being active prevents the prince ending to take place
they don't interact?
||I mean, I'm pretty sure the jaundice powers that Weaver gives you does cure rot?||
which means the prince ending is him prevailing over the weaver
not really
yes
||i think it was wonk who was standing in rooms and the rot dissapeared||
it's more just him spreading so quickly the weaver can't just contain him anymore
I mean. You can still do the weaver ending after Prince?
like, if you start the weaver quest when the prince was mid way he talks dissapointingly to you
mhm
as if, you ruined it
which means, all we see in the prince ending works as is suposed to
No he doesn't?
yes he does
He's quite enthusiastic about your weaver powers
no lol
he is lol
he inmediately says ironically how you two are diferent now
alpha and omega
then talks about how you both played our cards
and he lost
then stops talking to you
forever
Well he still seems pretty happy about it
but hes still explicitly happy about what happened
he had his fun
he's happy to see you become
he literally calls watcher wonderous
he gives you a gift after the fact
he is happy for us
not of himself
also
why is the prince ending impossible with jaundice?
the prince always knew the watcher was a weaver
the scent is mentioned when you first wake him up. returning with weaver powers lets him identify the scent finally as that
the scent could be anything lol
How wonderous you are, to me I don't see how you can interpret this as disappointed
"yes! I perceive it now!"
it seems pretty clear he's talking about what you've become
i think is cope rn to keep saying the prince ending is interrupted by the weaver, when we never see the weaver do anything similar to that, we DO see the weaver do stuff like close portals, which inmediately cancels the prince ending
like, i think is quite clear
the prince prevails in his ending 100%
thats why you cant get it if you start the weaver quest
because he prevails instead
I'm still just confused where you got the idea he's disappointed
also you can just, do the weaver ending post prince ending
and things stay the same
he already acomplished his objetive
but no I do think the prince succeeded in a way
he stops talking to you lol
I don't think he was purely intending to rot everything
not with the way his dream goes
i think whatever he did may have backfired or not worked as intended, but the weaver involvement is pretty much none
thats of his own doing
thats a possibility
I almost wonder if the jungle is the throne
but weaver has nothing to do with that
dont think so considering is in outer rim
or, at least, remnants of the rot
i think the weaver is not really out to get the prince personally lol
if anything, is spinningtop and you who left this mess behind
weaver just fixes it before the prince can take advantage of it
I mean the weaver is trying to keep the status quo
i totally agree on that one
what I find weird is that there's still karma flowers in the prince ending
or uh
sorry
yea, but he is not personally chasing the rot
true ending prince scene
||I mean, he still shows up to talk to you in ending 4 and the dialogue he has in the weaver route clearly shows he doesn't take it badly at least||
weavers sitting on the couch drinking a beer were just doing its errands
im pretty sure that is like
ages in the future
or something
bro looks tired
||Like his weaver route dialogue is defiently not hostile (though it does feel a bit... manic)||
maybe he just made ammends in the wait
To be fair, I don't think Prince has a mean "bone?" In his body
prince is nice
i think its helped by not having any bones in their body

about the prince dialogue, its like he feels more distant from us when we start doing the weaver's work instead of corrupting everything, and that makes sense, he no longer sees us as workers for the rot and workers for fixing the pipe leaks instead, so he bids us farewell "from one god to another" in a respectful but distant way
that show i feel about it
i wonder
but i havent seen all of it either so idk
||what if we were a weaver from the start||
and thats why spinningtop's fiasco started
or it could just be like
idk
i never understood why spinningtop "gifts us" things
like, can she do that
?
maybe the throne has a singular colossal cartoon bone going up the inside of its trunk
like among us
i mean spinning top is a child i dont think she knew what she was giving to watcher . she just wanted to give her new friend something
i mean well- she might know a bit but not the full extent
Also about this sequence, i wonder if there is a meaning to it being three
spinningtop, prince and weaver?
only one of them is messy
i think the other ghosts just don't really care to
i dont see why prince would have his own
since he is like, rot
maybe 3 is just a coincidence and just wanted to show how spinningtop's is diferent
the other 2 could be arbitrary
we see daemon being in the center of the different regions, i think that just shows that the universe watcher has access to is just one of many
i should really duck out actually
their busy being adults /silly
green watcher is due to being exposed to verdant waterways for too long
Hello o/
just a quick note I feel like anglefish should contribute to threat
they current dont
what's the fate of this chat going to be
i wonder
why the outer rim pearl
and the vanilla ones
are the only ones who dont belong to spinningtop
maybe the vanilla ones ||belong to you|| and the outer rim one ||belongs to the prince||?
interlocking realities
or they could just be in their rightful place
since the rest are not
continue to be so kind and nice... prince i love you 😭
(Pearls) ||I got two pearls from fetid glen, and they both show the same images. Am I missing something? Are there words to read?||
mayhaps
||you need the mark if you dont have that yet||
Oh I didn’t know you could even get it
||you cannot understand pearls that have text without the mark||
you get it from one of the endings
pleeease someone give me a little hint how to get to the new content of 1.5🙏🙏
are you on the regular release or the 1.5 beta?
i'm on beta
the rearranged some of the portals, I think every starting region connects to one of the new reginos so you could start there
fucking pipe camper
but there are new things in basically every region
The update is out already? Damn.
not officially, still only the beta
they added a second biballcy accurate angle
oh 
angle
if you go to coral caves, try going to the far left side of the region for starters
eh just wait for 2 more hours then it will officially be out
Gotcha, I wasn't sure if it was official release or just beta today for that case, lol
ty
coral caves far left, sunlit port at I think far right (I wasn't there for super long so don't remember), and torrential railways at far right will lead to new stuff
those lead to the new regions
uhh...
i already was in sunlit port?? i've been in every room, but didn't saw anything new...
i can check again i guess
if the update isn't going to release in the next two hours I have a real shot at beating the beta instance first
ur in the 1.5 beta right?
bc sunlit port was heavily updated in it
if you have been in every room and didn't find new content you are not on the 1.5 beta
(at this opint may as well wait 2 hours for the full release)
if you went to a region and didnt see new content, its likely you forgot to uninstall the DLC for watcher and downpour (they override the beta branch)
oh, by the way, what the hell??
this is also related to what i mentioned
memory leak 
nah this is a missing asset error, i had this happen to me for the same reasons
well it's usually caused by memory leaks I believe
in this case, its cuz having the watcher DLC installed overrides the sprites for the update, so the game cant find the new sprite assets as a result
the sleep screen never throws if it cant find an element so it does this 
strangely my friend has this happen with watcher uninstalled
it can be caused by mods
nothing that would change assets, and i never encountered it with my select few on
i really like how they put the huge animated fans back in OTR
what the hellie
@exotic herald ||peach lizor||
they appear in many regions in the update
which one is the beta
there's a public beta, but in 1 hour 30 minutes the official release will be out
how do i access it
it's hidden, the code was given at the end of an arg
can you dm me it
i feel like 1 hour and 30 minutes before release is a bit late to start the beta
or at the least the link
there are a few bugs that will possibly be fixed in the official release, if you wait slightly longer you should have a smoother experience
yeah
sure, I can get the link
for like. archival?
thx
thank you
guys
question
where's the basilisk unlock? :(
i have been trying to find it for over an hour
and nothing
oh beastmaster..
I think either upper far right or lower water area, those were the 2 places I never touched
how does it work btw
is it blind
(despite spending like 1/5 of my playthrough in that region)
topapopato, will you make the beta milipede gifs real
you can download grayscreen without any problems
idk how to access it and personally don't really care
beastmaster
i pray beastmaster workds
yellow square
because its beta
beastmaster does work
YAY
milipede mention
and grayscreen can be downloaded again
scugipede
my b key is gonna break after ts
i dont remember this update..
I assume it will still exist in the code for people to restore
anyway so what does ||peach lizard|| do?
eat barnacles and be stupid
i reccomend dont unspoil that if you havent seen thsi
Eat barnicles
ooh
is it hostile
it looks blind from the ss
yes
They can dig in sand as well
FASTER
Eat hot chip and lie
ooh
so its like
tropical indigo?
its done yayayyay
now im gonna send EVERY new creature i see
||- eats barnacles and snails
- sand digger
- eaten by green lizors
- might have stronger head armor? spear hits don't seem to stun on the head but might have just not been really paying attention||
via beastmaster
everythings eaten by green lizors bro
1.5 is fully out?
still 1 hour 20 minuutes for official release
server events
oh
How do we know this time?
oh ok
im praying when i revert to normal rain world all my mods are disabled..
gulp
i enabled cheats and went to arena but it went black
erm
add all mods to collection
then unsubscribe to all mods via that collection
start game
close game, resubscribe to mods
all the mods will be there but disabled
and that should fix it?
if that doesn't do anything, then try reinstalling
oh
ripple spider
||it will move to the room where the weaver is located at, leaving a trail of silk to guide you||
should i reset my save to play 1.5 later (when it will be out)?
if your save is heavily modded, you might want to reset just in case anyways
there is a lot of new content in every region, I would recommend it
that's like
when did beta drop?
when we solved the final piece of the arg in #wind-chimes
vanilla, downpour, watcher
ahh what was it?
nice joke 🥹
it's not a joke.
like a few days ago
even Kaeporo liked the idea
you lost me lol
why else would it specifically focus on three
there rae 9 gazillion things that are three lol
three "daemons", three "grand cycles", essentially three universes
maybe the three protagonists lol?
we see the middle one represents us
im really not gonna discuss it since is hard to take seriously
the outer two then make sense as representing the other two universes we have established, no?
there is no rain world multiverse
also watcher is a continuation of vanilla
they arent separate
the entire premise of the cycle is timeline shenanigans
Does anyone know why after meeting the weaver and leaving, the region still appears with gold leaves?
rainworld at its core is built around timeline and multiverse quantum probability bullshit
Do I have to go back?
no?
probably because you still have a gold portal somewhere there
thats not what the cycle is
Ok
the cycle refers to like 5 different things
if you had multiple in the region
but the individual cycles of each creature is that, yes
look at the vanilla karma flower reading from lttm
and... the ascension ending
there's individual cycles, where each creature creates its own "ripples" across reality, each death creating a new potentiality
then there's the grand cycle, the cycle of the world and void
will i have to search for the weaver or will i just find it obviously
dust to earth to void
other selves arent a multiverse lol
the cycle of civilizations, rise to power, ascend
you are able to fully control weaver appearances
where do your other selves come from
and then the greater cycle as referred to vaguely by the echoes and weaver
then what are they.
if they are not a series of timelines, what are they
timelines / multiverses
spinning top confirms they are happening side by side, he witnessed us dying in other ripples as we speak to him in ours
im not sure what this means as i've not spoiled myself too much i just know there is a weaver
timelines follow the same rules
downpour does not
downpour retcons and makes shit up
is fundamentally incompatible
no multiverse will ever justify that
then give me a better idea.
i dont have to
if you want a hint I can give you one
yea pls do
what idea do you want lol?
||you asked for a theory on the three daemon monoliths, I gave one||
the other selves are other possibilities which may or may not have been, but fundamentally related to you
try to remember where you create your own rifts
spoiler that
the current one is spinningtop
thats like, not deniable
its not talking about any sort of multiverses
current one? as in the region itself?
the middle one
why would that be spinning top
thing is, are the other 2 representing the weaver and prince?
and not just the entire cycle watcher takes place in
or are just arbitrary to show that spinningtops is diferent
tying it to spinning top makes no sense
dude you enter that area by checking 3 monoliths
that doesn't even make sense in the region, the region is more weaver themed than spinning top
and the ||3 daemons|| are not related to them at all?
i met ||weaver|| enough times to become ||mini weaver, also i got power to create portals without karma flower, but what i need to do next? i see this strings in region but cant find weaver||
find portals
enter them
you'll see
don't open your own
you gotta find old ones for this
it will be obvious
just keep playing and you will notice what it happening
okay
they are
vaguely
they just do something diferent
thanks
but still work
they aren't smart
how many cycles have to pass before i should go back
they will lead to invalid portals
tomy rift
wdym
i presume i have to go back to my portals to find the weaver
oh ok thanks
find portals, don't sleep
||rifts you create decay after 5 cycles||
anyways, why would it
it's not rainworld: spinning top
why would the final ending focus on spinning top after you have two endings already dedicated to getting that out of the way
fyi if you drag a drill crab in with you into a portal it will kill you
totally unrelated to my gameplay 
the way I saw the ending, ||spinning top and watcher caused disorder creating all of those rifts, weaver appeared to close them and restore order, with the help of watcher||
il retype mine
any more new creatures
I'll check through my clips, though most of those will be stuff not in their average encounter
oo
for example, ||the worst moth parents of all time||
ok*
LOL
||Over the course of 1.5, I've become a staunch "Prince plan backfired but it was not the fault of anybody but himself" person||
||my interpretation of the "weird regions" is that, firstly, ancient urban is just a memory, it's not a physical place on the cycle. it's more symbolic than anything else, and even if it does exist on the cycle, it's such a specific point that watcher cannot find it themselves without spinning tops help first. Secondly, Daemon, which exists either outside of the cycle, or is the very heart the cycle is built around, sort of an anchor, and is thus not connected to the cycle as the other threads are. this explains why everything had a ripplespace connection to daemon as well, as they are all part of the cycle that is built around the daemon monolith. Finally, the rot regions. The sentient rot is averse to the cycle, the prince wants to figuratively dig his claws in and rip the cycle apart, instead of trying to escape it. Him brute forcing his way through the cycle is throwing threads out of "orbit", isolating them from daemon, and separating them entirely from the cycle, hence why the connections become so weird with rot regions.
With these views, I see the reason why our daemon cycle is so messed up is because of a collection of all three main characters choices. The prince is ripping the cycle apart, things breaking and being thrown out of place. Spinning top comes along, and begins tying these regions together when they shouldn't be, causing the threads to stay out of wack, essentially reshaping the pattern of the cycle. the weaver then comes along, and begins to try to sew the cycle together again, patching incorrect thread connections and counteracting the rot. Watcher is an accomplice in all of these acts. ||
wow
Text dump
just wanted to write it all out shrug
ending spoilers
uh
everything spoilers
||this would mean the ending sequence shows watcher and weaver succeeding, correcting the great cycle and returning it's orbit around daemon, as it should have been. with no rot, the cycle won't be ripped apart again, and no spinning top means it won't be woven into a broken shape||
so essentially watcher fucks around and finds out multiple times/silly
watchers just happy to be there and watch
||since seeing the decayed verdant waterways I don't really think stuff like ancient urban is a "dream"||
||What exactly is the final meeting with Prince symbolic of, he has lot everything since by this point, the Rot is gone, yet he is still friendly||
that unironically makes sense
let him cook /silly
it seems, over time, the watcher embraced their identity as a weaver, which is also implied to have always been the case
its implied watcher was always going to become a weaver
or at least, some void affiliated being
||Why do you think that? Is it largely because of the weavers resemblance to watcher?||
||I'm not sure. the ending sequence has a lot of tiebacks to the prince, the entire tree segment is literally one for one an exact replica of the prince dream. I'm unsure what this means.||
||it just doesn't make sense to call a real place that is tangible a dream, we have the ability to visit the same place at multiple points in time, why wouldn't we expect the same to be reasonable for a place we only see the past versio of||
one of the first lines the prince greets you with mentions a familiar scent
||maybe the weaver we come across is a future watcher||
||once you unlock your weaver powers, he finally realized what the scent was, which was the weaver in you||
||I do personally feel that ending watcher does resemble a void worm more than the weaver at least when it comes to shape, but that's just my opinion||
||so its implied prince has known watcher was a weaver since they met, he just didn't know what a weaver was||
hey so where does it say when it comes out again
think in 40 minutes
like the Mar 28 one
thanks
server events
||I feel watcher is his own thing, honestly.||
I'm not opposed to either or, but I think he's both and neither
||Honestly I still wonder wtf the weaver is in relation to other void beings||
I think the weaver is god
like, god god
or, at least, one of them
it seems ||the weavers entire duty is to keep the cycle running properly around his version of daemon||
||therefore, he's the closest thing to a god figure we have in rainworld. if the weaver doesn't exist, the cycle falls apart.||
what are void worms then?
||that's also why I think the weaver played a part in princes death, although I don't know how to explain the true ending.||
||the prince cameo, where karma flowers are present and the prince isn't dead||
shrug
I'm sort of a fan of the void worm = ascension idea
where it's literally just what happens when you ascend
but I don't know for sure
||I personally think that watcher becoming a void worm was a extremely rare occurrence that was allowed by basically all the shit that's been done to them by beings beyond their comprehension||
||watcher could still be a void worm, I just think it's weird to have him embrace his part weaver and then immediately 180 into a void worm||
yknow
I had a theory
that ripple and karma were two sides of one spectrum
||or he is somehow a combo of both||
karma representing attachment to your thread, ironically enough
and ripple the opposite
||perhaps the thing is that watchers "ripple" was so high, he joined the void worms in the void, outside of the cycle itself, in that in between ||
||Someone needs to make a edit of that "honey, would you still love me if I was a worm" meme but Watcher and Inv||
hear me out though, it sounds like the exact antithesis of what we are taught about karma, but just hear me out
karma representing attachment to your thread makes sense, as ascension would then be an individual being so anchored into their specific thread that, when they die, they physically cannot move on to the next.
they are trapped in the thread in which they die, so they don't come back
I don't know, though
there are flaws
||i feel like the weaver couldve taken part in creating the void worms maybe?? unsure if theres any evidence or a plausible way of coming to that conclusion just throwing out the idea*||
but nobodys really tried to figure out what ripple and karma are anyways
my main issue with the karma theory is that it makes echoes weird
||Weaver has spent eons giving people their jaundice to turn them into worms /silly||
main watcher chat is moving too fast so I have retreated here 
in the end we can all agree that rain world is the worm like friends we made along the way
I also want to specify I do not mean like
emotional attachment
I mean physical and spiritual
how engrained a person is on a fundamental level
watcher has high ripple, no karma, as they are so far from tied to their thread that they freely roam between them
thoughts on my new pet lizor?
isn't ascension being freed though?
I can't wait to see how the story continues in the Looker dlc
ascension is not coming back, I believe that is all that is said concrete
(I definitely didn't think they were tamed after rescuing them from a moth, stop to take a screenshot, and die immediately)
you do not return
plus spinning top took the bath but didn't converge all their selves without watcher's help
I don't know, realistically
it's a pitch
based on something Kaeporo said
that I found interesting
he described imagining karma and ripple as "up and down"
is one up and is one down
it's going above and beyond the cycle of life and death
I mean that's how you'd read that yeah
it's referred to as transcendence about as much as it is referred to as ascension
ascensing was always described as a continuation, not an end
one more (ending) to go
btw what does the spinning top one say if anyone knows
I just like wondering what karma and ripple could be from like
a universe standpoint
not just cultural
||The child lost to time or something along those lines||
I think karma is more just a game mechanic, at least in the way we see it
The Child forsaken to time
karma itself I think doesn't actually exist, but the concept of attunement does
well that's more what I mean
karma and ripple levels just represent it in a readable way for the player
not karma levels but karma as a concept
the levels are cultural
they exist to the ancients
not the "world"
i mean the discrete levels of it are presumably game abstraction but i doubt anything else about it is
and I feel karma and ripple are distinct
attunement is a separate thing from karma
not just one slider, but two contrasting ones
as for the actual attunement, there are definitely forces beyond understanding at play, as is usually the case with any complex "magic" or "soul" system
ripple only appears once you leave your thread
which is what lead me to my conclusion
y'know actually
yeah your overall thesis about what ripple and karma are seems rightish
what if
it's not attunement
but entropy
alignment with your other "selves"
the consistency between threads
a higher "karma" is a closer sync between threads, less entropy
a higher ripple is the opposite, your threads are chaotic and all over the place
||Anybody got any theories on what the hell rhe enlightened scavangers deal is with all the new info?||
||Considering they seem to have not been elaborated on directly at all||
more fodder for arti when she arives
natural, not fluid ascension then represents every single thread being in sync
where's my yan flies, where's my lumen station, where's my outer rim arenas???
FINALLY FOUND THE BASILISK UNLOCK
after 2 hours.
karma levels work because if you desire nothing, you will never do anything
now i need to see if i have unlocked the arenas 
essentially you sit and do nothing, desire nothing, so you are perfectly predictable
Artificer has such a hatred for scavangers that she leaps through timelines, realities and even meta-dlcs to be able to kill the new ones
have fun with the arenas :)
||Oh, do you still want me to send you the Prince weaver route dialogue?||
.... that would fit for her tbh
what arenas were added
like is there an arena for every watcher region?
yes
the karma system kind of punishes doing that though
i think it's more that it passively accumulates and dying damages it
we never ascend that way, even at karma 10
||who's jaundice||
watcher when
the game one is the only one
||Its a nickname where we call Weaver route Watcher as having jaundice because they are yellow||
like the mechanics are the sole means by which the game conveys what karma is
Is the update coming out soon? And when it does will I need to redo all of my progress in my wind-chimes save?
then what's the point of the entire ascension plan through the karma levels
if you just have to not die
the urges aren't the karma levels, the urges are associated with numbers and the karma levels are necessarily numbered
moon never connects the old methods with karma and the mechanics actively punish you for playing to those methods
||why jaundice specifically tho||
also uh
id reccommend it because creature spawns dont update with existing regions
where's the arena unlock in fetid glen??????''
i need to know
i have been so long in this region that bone shakers have appeared
||Idk, it kinda just stuck||
||Jaundice is basically just a skin condition that causes your skin to yellow||
and watcher gets ||yellow stuff in weaver so jaundice is the joke name||
||The magic of jaundice vs turbo reality cancer||
ohh theres new achivements in the steam page now
||jaundice vs asphyxiation i called it before LMAO||
you lied to me
nuh uh
NOOOO MY 100%
yuh uh
refresh ur page
you have no idea how long i suffered on challenge 70 to get that last achievement
</3
click on a different game and go back
i did
||bottom left water section||
is it out yet!
||leftmost room or the eel room||
if it doesnt show up close and reopen steam, everyone in the watcher spoilers channel have seen it and are actively talking about it
||top left corner of the 4 way||
i still dont see it
K
im not sure then, everyone else has gotten the achivements seeable
LOREFIENDS, IT IS TINE TO DISSECT EVERY ACHIVEMENT FOR EVERY MICRO PIECE OF LORE.
/silly
is the upd8 out
i think a good chunk of them relate to levelling up your ripple
They better have unique symbols 
still no archievements :((((
for me i cant click and check them bc itll go back to saying i only have 32/34
i think steams jsut being funky honestly
?
everyone ant react the announcement when it comes out
i wanna leave an ant there
because yes
i still cant find the msg where it says hwen
its in the event
what actual channel tho
3 MINUTES OH MAH GAH
can you like link it
yes this
yeah that
steams being funky as always
oh rip
let's have a watch
Rest in pieces, windchime thread and game version
Again
yay!
do we know if progress from the beta will carry over to the updated game version ?
10 sec
it should
well well well.
it is real?

new achievements yooo
yes its real i dont have the capability to fake something like that
ok crap need to close game first
prepare the ant reaction
its time!
hurry it up
Windchimers, it was good riding with you on this wonderful journey
mod compatability please 🙏
im gonna miss this thread!! this thread made me start talking in this server
I hope to see you in main watcher chat, o7
ill try keep up with it and talk there too!!
ants soon
updates out?
gootbye watcher thread. only place ive seriously spoken with people in maincord. probably
ants out
same
it appears there are things like the accessibility options that were not in windcimes but are here now
one last milipede gif occurrence
321
if you already had the beta just click play, it's updated but doesn't tell you for some reason
its done its done
yey
That one video Local Group posted of tower crabs
(oh and reenable your dlcs)
NAME CANONIZED!
SPINNY!!
SPINNYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! :D
so many achievementa
BUDDY IS TALKING
GET ON YOUR HANDS AND KNEES, WE ARE BLESSED BY A DEITIES PRESENCE.
wawa
idk if its mods but arena just doesnt work
i think they might want to update the steam achievement descriptions for these lmao
two write the name of them twice?
:P
have they moved rift locations?
y'all should mention if there's any non beta content in the full release
bad ending confirmed
I wonder if they fixed the score screen too
or if that's intentional...
I hope someone can check if milipede was kept in 1.5 actual release
Or. If it was beta only
I hope millipede stars as the protagonist of the next dlc
||after i get weaver how do you get the fourth ending?||
Yes!
||Go to Daemon||
does doing ||rot prince|| or ||spinny ending|| block you from that?
like if i do either of those am i no longer able to do it?
||You have to do Spinny's ending and awaken Prince (his ending is technically optional.). You need to do all 3 of those in order to get the fourth one in Daemon||
||do i have to do the whole prince ending or just wake him up? ive already woken him up||
||The moth larvae (if that's what those fellas are called)|| are so cute, AGGHHHHH-
Then you should be fine
ok arena is working and there are some VILE new creaturs
well
i say creatures
i spawned one
and
it looks horrifying
||grub.||
they are so jiggly it is so scary
i dont wanna find out where it is in the game
||My favourite creature is the buff new drill crab||
||it was an anglerfish i think||
for the spiral, ||do only void eggs found in Outer Rim count? i'm still missing 3 and have no idea where they are, and im not sure if i shouldnt just check somewhere else for them||
like Jello 😲
||Oh you found the most freakish one first||
||They get hostile when you get near them.||
||big drill.. lovely||
luckily i spawned it on land
now im gonna try in a water arena
they're pretty fast when you provoke them, so good luck.
I'm pretty sure the anglerfish is Kaepora's evil work
angglerrrrr
Gently holds moth grub.
anyway now its time for me to see the rest
gulp
BRO
THESE LIZARD ICONS LOOK SICK
I really like the ||diplocaulus lookin' lizard||
moth sack
the fella is pretty neat
somebody check the files rq make sure it's still 4 endings total
||and this big ass fish||
and no like
alternate ending images
Toys!! My toys
we also have ||popcorn plant|| in arena now-
oh
so the icons were uhm
jsut the blizzard and basilisk
EW THE MILLIPEDE IS IN BEASTMASTER
I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A MOD
I'm gonna hope someone mods the milipede in one day, or heaven, even gets added to the actual game.
I really, REALLY like the milipede.
or heaven*
we want that
lets just add it
with the default texture
with the white body and scug face
Still four
every enemy
is milliped
make the millipede a slugcat mimic or something idk
oh the end_d art is very cute
It's been a minute and the loach has already eaten every rat in the arena.
no scavenger pope 
oh its so pretty personally
dont click on that if u dont wanna see ending d save file art
||A new star adrift...||
Just got the final ending and… wow. This is no joke the best game I’ve ever played
can anyone help chat.. i want to get it done so its easier to deliver ||pearls|| to ||ancient urban||
||oh the weaver outline is in the illustration folder||
It does fit the new blizzard design
just quickly checked that out, and WOW, I really like that redesign
reminds me of a bearded dragon ngl
fair enough I suppose
they gave us two amazing endings regardless
the fucking
1.0 release
the two 1.0 endings are so lousy compared to the 1.5 ones
lkke
it's not comparable
towercrab?
Their just bigger drill crabs
