#Watcher 1.5 Spoiler Thread

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oak summit
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thats outer expanse

modest root
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CONSIDER:

desert trail
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somehow

modest root
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no it's identical

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like, same color palettes, same line if events

desert trail
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wait was the scene water also green like the dream lemme chekc

modest root
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the water even goes from black to a dark green

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as you surface

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its genuinely 1-1

oak summit
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yeah idk why only that one matches the sequence

desert trail
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IT IS (DARK) GREEN LOL

oak summit
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the other 2 dont

modest root
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it is exactly identical to the prince dream

desert trail
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its weird

modest root
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and I found the climb overall vaguely reminiscent of the throne

oak summit
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spinningtop's and the weaver's dont match the pattern at all so idk why the prince's does

desert trail
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even dazs was like "its the dream again!"

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its just too similar to not immediately remind you of it

limber solstice
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can you spoiler true ending stuff please

desert trail
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the weaver one kinad looks like, the current events

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what if its a
past
present
future?
well even the obelisk is lined this way

modest root
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weaver dream was weird

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I don't know what to make of it

oak summit
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is not really

limber solstice
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i can't get home for another few hours so i can't check out the endings til then

desert trail
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spinny - weaver - prince
spinny dream (ascension but stayed)
Weaver dream (travel thru everywhere)
prince dream (surfacing from water and see the scene of ... a forest)

jolly chasm
# desert trail IT IS (DARK) GREEN LOL

Don't forget promo art with Survivor on it and broken background with Watcher's eyes
Going purely of vibes, maybe it's supposed to allude to how far we separated from normal slugcat life?

desert trail
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GOD

modest root
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I want to specifically know why the prince is tied to a jungle

desert trail
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its actually top 3 greatest part of this whole update for me

modest root
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like why does the prince dream involve what it does

desert trail
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when i saw it initially i was like aint no way this is just to aura farm and has 0 relevance to the actual campaign

modest root
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the weaver and top dreams make sense to their characters

desert trail
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yea ^ that too

modest root
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weaver depicts the shattered reality and top is about ascension

desert trail
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weaver definitely went everywhere to fix shit

modest root
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both of which are their main ideas as characters

desert trail
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spinny is kinda like mid ascension but didnt feel so ready about it

modest root
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the prince is a jungle

oak summit
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well we still dont know what the final scene of the waver cutscene is

gritty pagoda
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its funny playing through the game with survivors colors

oak summit
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with the 2 converging lines

desert trail
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the prince dream is definitely an enigma

modest root
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makes me wonder if like

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the prince dream implies it was always going to happen

desert trail
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i remember people saying the theory of "watcher feels lonely after spinny left, and meeting prince again is like surfacing from drowning, a new hope to latch onto"

modest root
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that makes sense until we experience it in-game

true sparrow
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does anyone know where the weaver portal appears in the surface?

modest root
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if it was symbolic, why do we experience it again in person

modest root
oak summit
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||the prince also seems oddly weird in the final ending||

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||his state feels inconsequential||

modest root
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the prince appears regardless of blooming

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I wonder if that will change come full release

oak summit
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no

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is intentional afaik

modest root
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hm

desert trail
# oak summit ||his state feels inconsequential||

dont you find it weird || as the game start just forcefully taking u thru places, prince's entire throne is gone and the open flower is exposed to open air and prince was like well what a lovely view! ||

oak summit
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the only thing i feel is dumb is the retroactive ||mark of communication||

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is so obvious they didnt know where to put it lmao

desert trail
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||technically the whole bulb is turned 180 to face the left now (compare to facing right side of screen where we usually enter, too ||

modest root
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I think it's intentional

clever marlin
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||the void worm from the saint ending is already a different color from the one in survivors ending, isn't it? i dont see why the color of its skin would be a problem... also, what is the matter with videocult showing the transformation take place but not all the way? saint barely turned all the way into an echo during that animation imo and we dont see people saying "nah thats not an echo", like, its obviously an echo, and watcher was obviously turning into a void worm or a weaver variant of one i suppose, but still. another thing i didnt mention that really messes with me is that whenever the watcher meets a supernatural thing they apparently get forcedly assimilated partially with that thing - getting spinnig top's abilities, the weaver's abilities, and apparently turning into a void worm in the void sea, that also makes my head explode||

modest root
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or I guess

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hm

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nevermind

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I forgot the machine would be speaking ancient

desert trail
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i m kinda confused base on how dasz play, when he get it it was a bit too late, the game is just forcefully taking him places

oak summit
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is just a gamplay compromise afaik

desert trail
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unless hes suppose to continue after that to go back to waua

oak summit
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i do think is fitting for him to give it to you

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is just silly how you keep it

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after loading a save file lol

gritty pagoda
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survivor in the fucking portal trenches wondering where the fuck will his family be

desert trail
modest root
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I think it's a very weird sequence

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the latter half is pretty easy to understand from a basic level

true sparrow
modest root
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there's stuff to wonder but it puts its cards on the table

clever marlin
modest root
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the former half is

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like

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what is happening

oak summit
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can we stop pretending saint lore relates to this whatsoever lmao

desert trail
oak summit
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||saint turning into an echo makes like acutally no sense||

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specially after what this DLC showed about spinningtop and the echoes in general

desert trail
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i mean im not here to talk about saint im here to think is that sausage ending really a worm or something entirely different

true sparrow
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I am in a region with the feather icon and idk where to find whe weaver portal. Is it where the rot portal is?

desert trail
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yea well msc... msc lore in general... yea............

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i like this comment in dazs's video

oak summit
desert trail
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answer 3 questions, ask 20 more

restive wing
true sparrow
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ok

desert trail
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that one deleted tweet in chinese about watcher dlc back in march is everything

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you ask james primate what he wants, he says he wants freedom

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(the freedom of creativity)

desert trail
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thats possible actually

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kinda like how some stuff change color as they grows

wise fern
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(Ending 4) ||My opinion is that the differences are simply jusy because Watcher just transformed and they will probably grow into a full void worm after a bit|||

clever marlin
desert trail
oak summit
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i dont relaly like that interpretation

modest root
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my question is

wise fern
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||I do assume part of why this happened to Watcher is the weaver giving them the jaundice magic||

gritty pagoda
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Should I bring an eel lizard from fetid glen to ancient urban?

modest root
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why did this happen

oak summit
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since the prince in particular feels like one in a lifetime event

modest root
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||why did watcher lose control and start warping around||

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||why did spinning top giggle before it happened||

wise fern
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||Since the feathers on watchers tail do become like "fins"? I guess||

desert trail
modest root
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||what is the prince dream, why is the prince there||

oak summit
modest root
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that would make sense

oak summit
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since then we see ||order being restablished arround daemon||

limber solstice
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i should duck out of this channel

modest root
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I didn't take that as the same thing

modest root
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spoiler channel

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if you want to avoid spoilers don't engage with the spoiler channel lmao

oak summit
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tbh this isnt the spoiler channel

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there is no spoiler channel actually

wise fern
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||Do you think there's any significance to the slugtree area simply being a hidden part of Daemon or was it jusy so they could avoid having to make another region||

modest root
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that whole arc

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hence the golden threads between the ripples

oak summit
modest root
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before they right themselves

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like here hold on

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my interpretation of that

oak summit
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actually the weaver ending is more enigmatic than the final one lol

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imo

modest root
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not retyping

wise fern
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||Watcher and the Weaver just watch eachother then weaver kinda fucks off||

oak summit
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like why does it ||mimic us?|| why do we ||wake up in daemon?|| where ||did it go after that?||

modest root
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I think the weaver and the watcher are the same thing

oak summit
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i dont think so

modest root
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is the weaver not reminiscent of the watcher though

oak summit
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hmm

wise fern
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||I can't tell if the void weaver is mimicking watcher and gained eyes or is those are just it's natural eyes (similar to void worms) and it for some reason has been holding its eyes shut this whole time||

oak summit
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yes but we enter a chicken or egg scenario

modest root
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||if you covered the watcher worm in feathers, you'd have something pretty close to the weaver||

modest root
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a line becoming a cycle becoming a point

oak summit
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its the only thing the ending makes quite obvious

wise fern
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||Why do all the eldritch entities have goofy big eyes? Void Worms did it first, then weaver||

oak summit
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thats so mean

modest root
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eyes are the window to the soul idk

wise fern
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Void Worms are so opposing till you see their little heads with their big eyes

modest root
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weaver dialogue for beginning the quest

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||from spiral to loop, from loop to point||

oak summit
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also

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glad to know i was right

modest root
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||movement along the line, from distant to origin||

oak summit
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about the ||flowers|| not being related to the weaver at all

modest root
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that's not confirmed

oak summit
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it is lol

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the way the prince and weaver interact contradicts that theory now

modest root
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where

oak summit
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the weaver being active prevents the prince ending to take place

modest root
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they don't interact?

wise fern
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||I mean, I'm pretty sure the jaundice powers that Weaver gives you does cure rot?||

oak summit
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which means the prince ending is him prevailing over the weaver

oak summit
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yes

restive wing
modest root
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it's more just him spreading so quickly the weaver can't just contain him anymore

wise fern
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I mean. You can still do the weaver ending after Prince?

oak summit
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like, if you start the weaver quest when the prince was mid way he talks dissapointingly to you

oak summit
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as if, you ruined it

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which means, all we see in the prince ending works as is suposed to

wise fern
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No he doesn't?

oak summit
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yes he does

wise fern
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He's quite enthusiastic about your weaver powers

oak summit
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no lol

modest root
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he is lol

oak summit
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he inmediately says ironically how you two are diferent now

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alpha and omega

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then talks about how you both played our cards

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and he lost

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then stops talking to you

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forever

wise fern
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Well he still seems pretty happy about it

modest root
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but hes still explicitly happy about what happened

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he had his fun

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he's happy to see you become

restive wing
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he literally calls watcher wonderous

modest root
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he gives you a gift after the fact

oak summit
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he is happy for us

modest root
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because he enjoyed his time with you

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he had fun

oak summit
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not of himself

wise fern
oak summit
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also

modest root
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and also

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note the mention of scent agaib

oak summit
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why is the prince ending impossible with jaundice?

modest root
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the prince always knew the watcher was a weaver

wise fern
modest root
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the scent is mentioned when you first wake him up. returning with weaver powers lets him identify the scent finally as that

oak summit
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the scent could be anything lol

wise fern
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How wonderous you are, to me I don't see how you can interpret this as disappointed

modest root
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it seems pretty clear he's talking about what you've become

oak summit
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i think is cope rn to keep saying the prince ending is interrupted by the weaver, when we never see the weaver do anything similar to that, we DO see the weaver do stuff like close portals, which inmediately cancels the prince ending

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like, i think is quite clear

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the prince prevails in his ending 100%

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thats why you cant get it if you start the weaver quest

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because he prevails instead

wise fern
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I'm still just confused where you got the idea he's disappointed

oak summit
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also you can just, do the weaver ending post prince ending

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and things stay the same

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he already acomplished his objetive

modest root
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but no I do think the prince succeeded in a way

oak summit
modest root
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I don't think he was purely intending to rot everything

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not with the way his dream goes

oak summit
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thats of his own doing

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thats a possibility

modest root
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I almost wonder if the jungle is the throne

oak summit
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but weaver has nothing to do with that

oak summit
modest root
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or, at least, remnants of the rot

oak summit
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i think the weaver is not really out to get the prince personally lol

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if anything, is spinningtop and you who left this mess behind

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weaver just fixes it before the prince can take advantage of it

modest root
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I mean the weaver is trying to keep the status quo

clever marlin
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i totally agree on that one

modest root
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what I find weird is that there's still karma flowers in the prince ending

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or uh

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sorry

oak summit
modest root
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true ending prince scene

wise fern
meager musk
oak summit
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ages in the future

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or something

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bro looks tired

wise fern
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||Like his weaver route dialogue is defiently not hostile (though it does feel a bit... manic)||

oak summit
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maybe he just made ammends in the wait

wise fern
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To be fair, I don't think Prince has a mean "bone?" In his body

oak summit
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prince is nice

meager musk
clever marlin
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about the prince dialogue, its like he feels more distant from us when we start doing the weaver's work instead of corrupting everything, and that makes sense, he no longer sees us as workers for the rot and workers for fixing the pipe leaks instead, so he bids us farewell "from one god to another" in a respectful but distant way

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that show i feel about it

oak summit
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i wonder

clever marlin
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but i havent seen all of it either so idk

oak summit
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||what if we were a weaver from the start||

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and thats why spinningtop's fiasco started

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or it could just be like

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idk

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i never understood why spinningtop "gifts us" things

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like, can she do that

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?

limber solstice
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like among us

restive wing
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i mean well- she might know a bit but not the full extent

oak summit
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Also about this sequence, i wonder if there is a meaning to it being three

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spinningtop, prince and weaver?

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only one of them is messy

limber solstice
oak summit
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i dont see why prince would have his own

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since he is like, rot

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maybe 3 is just a coincidence and just wanted to show how spinningtop's is diferent

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the other 2 could be arbitrary

clever marlin
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we see daemon being in the center of the different regions, i think that just shows that the universe watcher has access to is just one of many

limber solstice
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i should really duck out actually

oak summit
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yes

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leave

restive wing
gritty pagoda
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green watcher is due to being exposed to verdant waterways for too long

humble geyser
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Hello o/

cunning sonnet
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just a quick note I feel like anglefish should contribute to threat

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they current dont

humble geyser
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what's the fate of this chat going to be

oak summit
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i wonder

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why the outer rim pearl

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and the vanilla ones

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are the only ones who dont belong to spinningtop

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maybe the vanilla ones ||belong to you|| and the outer rim one ||belongs to the prince||?

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interlocking realities

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or they could just be in their rightful place

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since the rest are not

desert trail
candid parrot
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(Pearls) ||I got two pearls from fetid glen, and they both show the same images. Am I missing something? Are there words to read?||

oak summit
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mayhaps

restive wing
candid parrot
restive wing
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||you cannot understand pearls that have text without the mark||

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you get it from one of the endings

candid parrot
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Ill have to try and find it then, thanks

urban grove
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pleeease someone give me a little hint how to get to the new content of 1.5🙏🙏

humble geyser
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are you on the regular release or the 1.5 beta?

urban grove
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i'm on beta

humble geyser
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the rearranged some of the portals, I think every starting region connects to one of the new reginos so you could start there

gritty pagoda
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fucking pipe camper

humble geyser
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but there are new things in basically every region

prisma charm
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The update is out already? Damn.

humble geyser
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not officially, still only the beta

gritty pagoda
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they added a second biballcy accurate angle

prisma charm
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oh thonk

desert trail
misty pewter
desert trail
prisma charm
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Gotcha, I wasn't sure if it was official release or just beta today for that case, lol

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ty

humble geyser
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coral caves far left, sunlit port at I think far right (I wasn't there for super long so don't remember), and torrential railways at far right will lead to new stuff

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those lead to the new regions

urban grove
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uhh...
i already was in sunlit port?? i've been in every room, but didn't saw anything new...

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i can check again i guess

spiral lagoon
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if the update isn't going to release in the next two hours I have a real shot at beating the beta instance first

restive wing
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ur in the 1.5 beta right?

restive wing
humble geyser
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(at this opint may as well wait 2 hours for the full release)

urban grove
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huh

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very strange

clear hill
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if you went to a region and didnt see new content, its likely you forgot to uninstall the DLC for watcher and downpour (they override the beta branch)

urban grove
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oh, by the way, what the hell??

clear hill
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this is also related to what i mentioned

humble geyser
clear hill
humble geyser
clear hill
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in this case, its cuz having the watcher DLC installed overrides the sprites for the update, so the game cant find the new sprite assets as a result

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the sleep screen never throws if it cant find an element so it does this hunterkek

meager musk
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strangely my friend has this happen with watcher uninstalled

humble geyser
meager musk
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nothing that would change assets, and i never encountered it with my select few on

limber solstice
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i really like how they put the huge animated fans back in OTR

exotic herald
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what the hellie

humble geyser
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@exotic herald ||peach lizor||

exotic herald
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WHAT

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how fdo you get it

humble geyser
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they appear in many regions in the update

exotic herald
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well

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play

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oh

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how do you play it tho

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i thought its not out

restive wing
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the beta

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but its coming out soon

exotic herald
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which one is the beta

humble geyser
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there's a public beta, but in 1 hour 30 minutes the official release will be out

exotic herald
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how do i access it

humble geyser
exotic herald
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can you dm me it

limber solstice
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i feel like 1 hour and 30 minutes before release is a bit late to start the beta

exotic herald
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or at the least the link

humble geyser
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there are a few bugs that will possibly be fixed in the official release, if you wait slightly longer you should have a smoother experience

limber solstice
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yeah

exotic herald
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can i still have it

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lol

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i like seeing stuf

humble geyser
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sure, I can get the link

limber solstice
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for like. archival?

exotic herald
humble geyser
exotic herald
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thank you

smoky sandal
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guys

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question

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where's the basilisk unlock? :(

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i have been trying to find it for over an hour

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and nothing

exotic herald
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oh beastmaster..

humble geyser
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I think either upper far right or lower water area, those were the 2 places I never touched

exotic herald
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is it blind

humble geyser
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(despite spending like 1/5 of my playthrough in that region)

smoky sandal
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you can download grayscreen without any problems

humble geyser
smoky sandal
exotic herald
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i pray beastmaster workds

smoky sandal
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yellow square

exotic herald
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because its beta

smoky sandal
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beastmaster does work

exotic herald
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YAY

restive wing
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milipede mention

smoky sandal
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and grayscreen can be downloaded again

smoky sandal
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scugipede

exotic herald
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my b key is gonna break after ts

exotic herald
humble geyser
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I assume it will still exist in the code for people to restore

exotic herald
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anyway so what does ||peach lizard|| do?

smoky sandal
exotic herald
gritty pagoda
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Eat barnicles

exotic herald
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is it hostile

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it looks blind from the ss

smoky sandal
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yes

gritty pagoda
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They can dig in sand as well

exotic herald
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FASTER

naive nebula
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Eat hot chip and lie

exotic herald
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so its like

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tropical indigo?

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its done yayayyay

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now im gonna send EVERY new creature i see

humble geyser
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||- eats barnacles and snails

  • sand digger
  • eaten by green lizors
  • might have stronger head armor? spear hits don't seem to stun on the head but might have just not been really paying attention||
exotic herald
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via beastmaster

exotic herald
gritty pagoda
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1.5 is fully out?

exotic herald
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no

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beta

humble geyser
exotic herald
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ugugugu

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how doyou know this btw

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did they say or

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premeier

humble geyser
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server events

exotic herald
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oh

fossil walrus
fossil walrus
exotic herald
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im praying when i revert to normal rain world all my mods are disabled..

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gulp

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i enabled cheats and went to arena but it went black

wispy solstice
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add all mods to collection

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then unsubscribe to all mods via that collection
start game

exotic herald
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hu

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does that fix it

wispy solstice
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close game, resubscribe to mods
all the mods will be there but disabled

exotic herald
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and that should fix it?

wispy solstice
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if that doesn't do anything, then try reinstalling

exotic herald
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oh

smoky sandal
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ripple spider

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||it will move to the room where the weaver is located at, leaving a trail of silk to guide you||

urban grove
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should i reset my save to play 1.5 later (when it will be out)?

wispy solstice
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if your save is heavily modded, you might want to reset just in case anyways

humble geyser
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there is a lot of new content in every region, I would recommend it

modest root
compact orchid
modest root
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litterally what I was saying

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yeah

humble geyser
modest root
oak summit
modest root
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it's not a joke.

humble geyser
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like a few days ago

modest root
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even Kaeporo liked the idea

oak summit
modest root
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why else would it specifically focus on three

oak summit
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there rae 9 gazillion things that are three lol

modest root
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three "daemons", three "grand cycles", essentially three universes

oak summit
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maybe the three protagonists lol?

modest root
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we see the middle one represents us

oak summit
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im really not gonna discuss it since is hard to take seriously

modest root
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the outer two then make sense as representing the other two universes we have established, no?

oak summit
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there is no rain world multiverse

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also watcher is a continuation of vanilla

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they arent separate

modest root
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the entire premise of the cycle is timeline shenanigans

true sparrow
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Does anyone know why after meeting the weaver and leaving, the region still appears with gold leaves?

modest root
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rainworld at its core is built around timeline and multiverse quantum probability bullshit

true sparrow
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Do I have to go back?

humble geyser
oak summit
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thats not what the cycle is

true sparrow
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Ok

modest root
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the cycle refers to like 5 different things

humble geyser
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if you had multiple in the region

modest root
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but the individual cycles of each creature is that, yes

humble geyser
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and... the ascension ending

modest root
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there's individual cycles, where each creature creates its own "ripples" across reality, each death creating a new potentiality

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then there's the grand cycle, the cycle of the world and void

compact orchid
#

will i have to search for the weaver or will i just find it obviously

modest root
#

dust to earth to void

oak summit
modest root
#

the cycle of civilizations, rise to power, ascend

humble geyser
humble geyser
modest root
#

and then the greater cycle as referred to vaguely by the echoes and weaver

modest root
#

if they are not a series of timelines, what are they

oak summit
#

timelines / multiverses

modest root
#

spinning top confirms they are happening side by side, he witnessed us dying in other ripples as we speak to him in ours

compact orchid
oak summit
#

timelines follow the same rules

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downpour does not

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downpour retcons and makes shit up

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is fundamentally incompatible

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no multiverse will ever justify that

modest root
#

then give me a better idea.

oak summit
#

i dont have to

humble geyser
compact orchid
oak summit
#

what idea do you want lol?

modest root
#

||you asked for a theory on the three daemon monoliths, I gave one||

oak summit
#

the other selves are other possibilities which may or may not have been, but fundamentally related to you

humble geyser
compact orchid
#

oh

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ok

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so

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go back to where i created them

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got it

oak summit
#

thats like, not deniable

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its not talking about any sort of multiverses

modest root
#

current one? as in the region itself?

oak summit
#

the middle one

modest root
#

why would that be spinning top

oak summit
#

thing is, are the other 2 representing the weaver and prince?

modest root
#

and not just the entire cycle watcher takes place in

oak summit
#

or are just arbitrary to show that spinningtops is diferent

modest root
#

tying it to spinning top makes no sense

oak summit
#

dude you enter that area by checking 3 monoliths

modest root
#

that doesn't even make sense in the region, the region is more weaver themed than spinning top

oak summit
#

and the ||3 daemons|| are not related to them at all?

soft idol
#

i met ||weaver|| enough times to become ||mini weaver, also i got power to create portals without karma flower, but what i need to do next? i see this strings in region but cant find weaver||

modest root
#

enter them

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you'll see

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don't open your own

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you gotta find old ones for this

humble geyser
#

just keep playing and you will notice what it happening

soft idol
#

okay

modest root
#

don't follow the strings, they're not useful anymore

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you're on your own

oak summit
#

they are

modest root
#

vaguely

oak summit
#

they just do something diferent

soft idol
#

thanks

oak summit
#

but still work

modest root
#

they aren't smart

compact orchid
#

how many cycles have to pass before i should go back

modest root
#

they will lead to invalid portals

compact orchid
#

tomy rift

compact orchid
#

i presume i have to go back to my portals to find the weaver

modest root
#

check the map when you sleep

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visit the ones with feathers

compact orchid
#

oh ok thanks

modest root
#

find portals, don't sleep

humble geyser
modest root
#

sleeping in a region with feathers will take too long

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he will leave if you sleep

soft idol
#

i just fell on the ground and cant move

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ughhhhh

modest root
#

it's not rainworld: spinning top

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why would the final ending focus on spinning top after you have two endings already dedicated to getting that out of the way

spiral lagoon
#

fyi if you drag a drill crab in with you into a portal it will kill you

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totally unrelated to my gameplay Invdream

humble geyser
#

the way I saw the ending, ||spinning top and watcher caused disorder creating all of those rifts, weaver appeared to close them and restore order, with the help of watcher||

modest root
#

il retype mine

exotic herald
#

any more new creatures

humble geyser
#

I'll check through my clips, though most of those will be stuff not in their average encounter

exotic herald
#

oo

humble geyser
exotic herald
#

ok*

wise fern
#

||Over the course of 1.5, I've become a staunch "Prince plan backfired but it was not the fault of anybody but himself" person||

exotic herald
#

new game

#

moth football

modest root
#

||my interpretation of the "weird regions" is that, firstly, ancient urban is just a memory, it's not a physical place on the cycle. it's more symbolic than anything else, and even if it does exist on the cycle, it's such a specific point that watcher cannot find it themselves without spinning tops help first. Secondly, Daemon, which exists either outside of the cycle, or is the very heart the cycle is built around, sort of an anchor, and is thus not connected to the cycle as the other threads are. this explains why everything had a ripplespace connection to daemon as well, as they are all part of the cycle that is built around the daemon monolith. Finally, the rot regions. The sentient rot is averse to the cycle, the prince wants to figuratively dig his claws in and rip the cycle apart, instead of trying to escape it. Him brute forcing his way through the cycle is throwing threads out of "orbit", isolating them from daemon, and separating them entirely from the cycle, hence why the connections become so weird with rot regions.

With these views, I see the reason why our daemon cycle is so messed up is because of a collection of all three main characters choices. The prince is ripping the cycle apart, things breaking and being thrown out of place. Spinning top comes along, and begins tying these regions together when they shouldn't be, causing the threads to stay out of wack, essentially reshaping the pattern of the cycle. the weaver then comes along, and begins to try to sew the cycle together again, patching incorrect thread connections and counteracting the rot. Watcher is an accomplice in all of these acts. ||

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wow

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Text dump

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just wanted to write it all out shrug

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ending spoilers

#

uh

#

everything spoilers

modest root
restive wing
#

so essentially watcher fucks around and finds out multiple times/silly

modest root
#

watcher does nothing

#

watcher watches

#

and helps

#

an accomplice, not a free agent

restive wing
#

watchers just happy to be there and watch

humble geyser
#

||since seeing the decayed verdant waterways I don't really think stuff like ancient urban is a "dream"||

wise fern
#

||What exactly is the final meeting with Prince symbolic of, he has lot everything since by this point, the Rot is gone, yet he is still friendly||

spiral lagoon
#

let him cook /silly

modest root
#

it seems, over time, the watcher embraced their identity as a weaver, which is also implied to have always been the case

#

its implied watcher was always going to become a weaver

#

or at least, some void affiliated being

wise fern
#

||Why do you think that? Is it largely because of the weavers resemblance to watcher?||

modest root
humble geyser
#

||it just doesn't make sense to call a real place that is tangible a dream, we have the ability to visit the same place at multiple points in time, why wouldn't we expect the same to be reasonable for a place we only see the past versio of||

modest root
reef zealot
modest root
#

||once you unlock your weaver powers, he finally realized what the scent was, which was the weaver in you||

wise fern
#

||I do personally feel that ending watcher does resemble a void worm more than the weaver at least when it comes to shape, but that's just my opinion||

modest root
#

||so its implied prince has known watcher was a weaver since they met, he just didn't know what a weaver was||

exotic herald
#

hey so where does it say when it comes out again

spiral lagoon
#

like the Mar 28 one

exotic herald
#

thanks

humble geyser
modest root
#

I'm not opposed to either or, but I think he's both and neither

wise fern
#

||Honestly I still wonder wtf the weaver is in relation to other void beings||

modest root
#

I think the weaver is god

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like, god god

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or, at least, one of them

#

it seems ||the weavers entire duty is to keep the cycle running properly around his version of daemon||

#

||therefore, he's the closest thing to a god figure we have in rainworld. if the weaver doesn't exist, the cycle falls apart.||

reef zealot
#

what are void worms then?

modest root
#

||that's also why I think the weaver played a part in princes death, although I don't know how to explain the true ending.||

modest root
modest root
#

I'm sort of a fan of the void worm = ascension idea

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where it's literally just what happens when you ascend

#

but I don't know for sure

wise fern
#

||I personally think that watcher becoming a void worm was a extremely rare occurrence that was allowed by basically all the shit that's been done to them by beings beyond their comprehension||

modest root
#

||watcher could still be a void worm, I just think it's weird to have him embrace his part weaver and then immediately 180 into a void worm||

#

yknow

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I had a theory

#

that ripple and karma were two sides of one spectrum

reef zealot
modest root
#

karma representing attachment to your thread, ironically enough

#

and ripple the opposite

#

||perhaps the thing is that watchers "ripple" was so high, he joined the void worms in the void, outside of the cycle itself, in that in between ||

wise fern
#

||Someone needs to make a edit of that "honey, would you still love me if I was a worm" meme but Watcher and Inv||

modest root
#

karma representing attachment to your thread makes sense, as ascension would then be an individual being so anchored into their specific thread that, when they die, they physically cannot move on to the next.

#

they are trapped in the thread in which they die, so they don't come back

#

I don't know, though

#

there are flaws

restive wing
#

||i feel like the weaver couldve taken part in creating the void worms maybe?? unsure if theres any evidence or a plausible way of coming to that conclusion just throwing out the idea*||

modest root
#

but nobodys really tried to figure out what ripple and karma are anyways

#

my main issue with the karma theory is that it makes echoes weird

wise fern
humble geyser
#

main watcher chat is moving too fast so I have retreated here monksilly

reef zealot
#

in the end we can all agree that rain world is the worm like friends we made along the way

modest root
#

I also want to specify I do not mean like

#

emotional attachment

#

I mean physical and spiritual

#

how engrained a person is on a fundamental level

#

watcher has high ripple, no karma, as they are so far from tied to their thread that they freely roam between them

humble geyser
#

thoughts on my new pet lizor?

limber solstice
wise fern
#

I can't wait to see how the story continues in the Looker dlc

modest root
humble geyser
#

(I definitely didn't think they were tamed after rescuing them from a moth, stop to take a screenshot, and die immediately)

modest root
#

you do not return

limber solstice
#

plus spinning top took the bath but didn't converge all their selves without watcher's help

modest root
#

I don't know, realistically

#

it's a pitch

#

based on something Kaeporo said

#

that I found interesting

#

he described imagining karma and ripple as "up and down"

restive wing
#

is one up and is one down

limber solstice
modest root
limber solstice
#

it's referred to as transcendence about as much as it is referred to as ascension

humble geyser
#

ascensing was always described as a continuation, not an end

spiral lagoon
#

one more (ending) to go

humble geyser
modest root
#

I just like wondering what karma and ripple could be from like

#

a universe standpoint

#

not just cultural

wise fern
humble geyser
spiral lagoon
humble geyser
#

karma itself I think doesn't actually exist, but the concept of attunement does

modest root
#

well that's more what I mean

humble geyser
#

karma and ripple levels just represent it in a readable way for the player

modest root
#

not karma levels but karma as a concept

#

the levels are cultural

#

they exist to the ancients

#

not the "world"

limber solstice
modest root
#

and I feel karma and ripple are distinct

limber solstice
#

attunement is a separate thing from karma

modest root
#

not just one slider, but two contrasting ones

humble geyser
#

as for the actual attunement, there are definitely forces beyond understanding at play, as is usually the case with any complex "magic" or "soul" system

modest root
#

ripple only appears once you leave your thread

#

which is what lead me to my conclusion

#

y'know actually

limber solstice
modest root
#

what if

#

it's not attunement

#

but entropy

#

alignment with your other "selves"

#

the consistency between threads

#

a higher "karma" is a closer sync between threads, less entropy

#

a higher ripple is the opposite, your threads are chaotic and all over the place

wise fern
#

||Anybody got any theories on what the hell rhe enlightened scavangers deal is with all the new info?||

#

||Considering they seem to have not been elaborated on directly at all||

reef zealot
modest root
formal drift
#

where's my yan flies, where's my lumen station, where's my outer rim arenas???

smoky sandal
#

FINALLY FOUND THE BASILISK UNLOCK
after 2 hours.

modest root
#

karma levels work because if you desire nothing, you will never do anything

smoky sandal
#

now i need to see if i have unlocked the arenas articry

modest root
#

essentially you sit and do nothing, desire nothing, so you are perfectly predictable

wise fern
modest root
#

every you is without desire, so every you is the same

#

and thus you can move on

formal drift
wise fern
reef zealot
restive wing
#

what arenas were added monkconfused like is there an arena for every watcher region?

wise fern
limber solstice
modest root
#

the game one, sure

#

but not the depictions of ascension pre void fluid

limber solstice
#

i think it's more that it passively accumulates and dying damages it

modest root
#

we never ascend that way, even at karma 10

dusk zinc
#

watcher when

limber solstice
restive wing
#

jaundice is a joke

wise fern
limber solstice
#

like the mechanics are the sole means by which the game conveys what karma is

placid crypt
#

Is the update coming out soon? And when it does will I need to redo all of my progress in my wind-chimes save?

modest root
#

if you just have to not die

limber solstice
#

moon never connects the old methods with karma and the mechanics actively punish you for playing to those methods

smoky sandal
#

also uh

clear hill
smoky sandal
#

where's the arena unlock in fetid glen??????''

#

i need to know

#

i have been so long in this region that bone shakers have appeared

wise fern
#

||Jaundice is basically just a skin condition that causes your skin to yellow||

clear hill
#

jaundice quite lliterally turns your skin and eyes yellow

#

its interesting!

restive wing
#

and watcher gets ||yellow stuff in weaver so jaundice is the joke name||

wise fern
#

||The magic of jaundice vs turbo reality cancer||

smoky sandal
#

WHERE'S THE ARENA UNLOCk

#

THIS REGION IS MAKING ME GO CRAZY

restive wing
#

ohh theres new achivements in the steam page now

clear hill
#

||jaundice vs asphyxiation i called it before LMAO||

smoky sandal
clear hill
#

im scared

restive wing
clear hill
#

NOOOO MY 100%

smoky sandal
restive wing
#

refresh ur page

clear hill
#

you have no idea how long i suffered on challenge 70 to get that last achievement

#

</3

restive wing
#

click on a different game and go back

smoky sandal
formal drift
exotic herald
#

is it out yet!

smoky sandal
restive wing
# smoky sandal i did

if it doesnt show up close and reopen steam, everyone in the watcher spoilers channel have seen it and are actively talking about it

formal drift
smoky sandal
restive wing
wise fern
#

LOREFIENDS, IT IS TINE TO DISSECT EVERY ACHIVEMENT FOR EVERY MICRO PIECE OF LORE. monksilly /silly

exotic herald
#

is the upd8 out

restive wing
#

i think a good chunk of them relate to levelling up your ripple

spiral lagoon
#

They better have unique symbols HGlee

smoky sandal
#

still no archievements :((((

restive wing
#

for me i cant click and check them bc itll go back to saying i only have 32/34

#

i think steams jsut being funky honestly

exotic herald
restive wing
#

there shld be an announcement when its out

#

i thin theres like 5 mins

exotic herald
#

oh

#

how long no

#

oh

#

yay

smoky sandal
#

everyone ant react the announcement when it comes out

#

i wanna leave an ant there

#

because yes

exotic herald
#

i still cant find the msg where it says hwen

restive wing
#

its in the event

exotic herald
#

what actual channel tho

serene sable
#

3 MINUTES OH MAH GAH

exotic herald
#

can you like link it

restive wing
#

i cant link it bc its only stated in the event

#

i tried that earlier

exotic herald
#

wha

#

ohh

#

like the live?

#

was it live

restive wing
#

yes this

exotic herald
#

idk

#

ohh the eventtt

#

oh i get it now

restive wing
#

yeah that

exotic herald
#

i'd hate to jinx

#

but watch it get delayed LOL

restive wing
#

steams being funky as always

exotic herald
#

oh rip

smoky sandal
#

i got the beta verson

#

version*

#

is that why?

restive wing
#

that would be why

#

i think

#

only thing i can think of

spiral lagoon
#

let's have a watch

jolly chasm
#

Rest in pieces, windchime thread and game version
Again

exotic herald
worldly orchid
#

do we know if progress from the beta will carry over to the updated game version ?

spiral lagoon
#

10 sec

restive wing
#

waiting for my stea to load again

#

steam*

spiral lagoon
restive wing
#

well well well.

spiral lagoon
restive wing
dusk nexus
#

new achievements yooo

restive wing
spiral lagoon
#

ok crap need to close game first

smoky sandal
#

prepare the ant reaction

restive wing
#

ants soon

#

its still downloading for me

exotic herald
#

its time!

restive wing
#

hurry it up

wise fern
#

Windchimers, it was good riding with you on this wonderful journey

exotic herald
#

mod compatability please 🙏

restive wing
#

im gonna miss this thread!! this thread made me start talking in this server

wise fern
restive wing
#

ill try keep up with it and talk there too!!

exotic herald
#

why is it not updatinggg

#

ok it started

smoky sandal
#

ants soon

gritty pagoda
restive wing
#

yes!

#

im so excitedd

turbid onyx
#

gootbye watcher thread. only place ive seriously spoken with people in maincord. probably

smoky sandal
#

ants out

hushed mica
#

it appears there are things like the accessibility options that were not in windcimes but are here now

smoky sandal
#

remember to ant react the message

#

very important

restive wing
#

one last milipede gif occurrencerivplead

smoky sandal
#

321

humble geyser
#

if you already had the beta just click play, it's updated but doesn't tell you for some reason

exotic herald
#

its done its done

smoky sandal
#

yey

wise fern
humble geyser
#

(oh and reenable your dlcs)

acoustic pine
#

NAME CANONIZED!

restive wing
#

SPINNY!!

serene sable
#

SPINNYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!! :D

oak summit
#

so many achievementa

smoky sandal
#

BUDDY IS TALKING

wise fern
#

GET ON YOUR HANDS AND KNEES, WE ARE BLESSED BY A DEITIES PRESENCE.

smoky sandal
#

INVALID, I SAW YOU

#

SAY YOUR SACRED WORDS!

serene sable
#

wawa

exotic herald
#

idk if its mods but arena just doesnt work

native walrus
#

two write the name of them twice?

#

:P

compact orchid
#

have they moved rift locations?

modest root
#

y'all should mention if there's any non beta content in the full release

#

bad ending confirmed

#

I wonder if they fixed the score screen too

#

or if that's intentional...

restive wing
#

I hope someone can check if milipede was kept in 1.5 actual release

#

Or. If it was beta only

wise fern
#

I hope millipede stars as the protagonist of the next dlc

silver wedge
#

||after i get weaver how do you get the fourth ending?||

restive wing
#

Yes!

wise fern
silver wedge
#

like if i do either of those am i no longer able to do it?

wise fern
silver wedge
#

||do i have to do the whole prince ending or just wake him up? ive already woken him up||

covert sedge
#

||The moth larvae (if that's what those fellas are called)|| are so cute, AGGHHHHH-

wise fern
#

Then you should be fine

exotic herald
#

ok arena is working and there are some VILE new creaturs

#

well

#

i say creatures

#

i spawned one

#

and

#

it looks horrifying

crisp cloud
exotic herald
#

i dont wanna find out where it is in the game

wise fern
#

||My favourite creature is the buff new drill crab||

exotic herald
#

||it was an anglerfish i think||

grim river
#

for the spiral, ||do only void eggs found in Outer Rim count? i'm still missing 3 and have no idea where they are, and im not sure if i shouldnt just check somewhere else for them||

crisp cloud
#

like Jello 😲

wise fern
exotic herald
#

it was some kind of aquatic thing

#

the icon was a uhh

#

||sharp teeth||

covert sedge
crisp cloud
exotic herald
#

now im gonna try in a water arena

covert sedge
wise fern
#

I'm pretty sure the anglerfish is Kaepora's evil work

crisp cloud
#

angglerrrrr

covert sedge
#

Gently holds moth grub.

exotic herald
#

anyway now its time for me to see the rest

#

gulp

#

BRO

#

THESE LIZARD ICONS LOOK SICK

covert sedge
exotic herald
#

moth sack

covert sedge
#

the fella is pretty neat

modest root
#

somebody check the files rq make sure it's still 4 endings total

exotic herald
#

||and this big ass fish||

modest root
#

alternate ending images

exotic herald
#

TA-water

#

its time

#

oh the ||toy things|| have icons now

restive wing
#

Toys!! My toys

covert sedge
#

we also have ||popcorn plant|| in arena now-

exotic herald
#

oh

#

so the icons were uhm

#

jsut the blizzard and basilisk

#

EW THE MILLIPEDE IS IN BEASTMASTER

#

I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A MOD

restive wing
#

MILIPEDE

#

I love milipede

smoky sandal
#

milipede mentioned

#

i got no wifi

#

i cannot download watcher

covert sedge
#

I really, REALLY like the milipede.

smoky sandal
#

we want that

#

lets just add it

#

with the default texture

#

with the white body and scug face

covert sedge
#

Good point.

#

||Slugcat milipede||/j

covert sedge
#

make the millipede a slugcat mimic or something idk

exotic herald
#

y creature

#

not enemy

restive wing
#

oh the end_d art is very cute

covert sedge
#

It's been a minute and the loach has already eaten every rat in the arena.

smoky sandal
#

no scavenger pope monkwail

restive wing
#

dont click on that if u dont wanna see ending d save file art

wise fern
candid parrot
#

Just got the final ending and… wow. This is no joke the best game I’ve ever played

grim river
restive wing
#

||oh the weaver outline is in the illustration folder||

crisp cloud
#

so evilous...

wise fern
#

It does fit the new blizzard design

crisp cloud
#

makes them look really intimidating

#

hehe

covert sedge
#

just quickly checked that out, and WOW, I really like that redesign

exotic herald
#

yea

covert sedge
#

reminds me of a bearded dragon ngl

crisp cloud
#

i forgot how it looked like anyways

#

Uhhzher

#

does anyone have a photo

modest root
#

they gave us two amazing endings regardless

#

the fucking

#

1.0 release

exotic herald
#

is towercrab just a dev thing like millipede

#

ir

#

or

modest root
#

the two 1.0 endings are so lousy compared to the 1.5 ones

#

lkke

#

it's not comparable

crisp cloud
#

towercrab?

wise fern
restive wing
#

Their just bigger drill crabs

exotic herald
#

bro the angler noise is so horrifying

#

o

#

i forgot to

#

oh well

#

i used an arena with water and some poles and it saw me and started like leaping out of the water and screeching