Watcher 1.5 Spoiler Thread

[meager musk]

new from bionicle

[limber solstice]

||that's the face but how about the body?||

[meager musk]

you mean the can

[limber solstice]

yeah

[meager musk]

its got 2 layers here

combined here

[limber solstice]

love the ||meaterator|| confirmation

[crisp cloud]

fleshling

[true mortar]

||they can also enter pipes, so truly terrifying||

[limber solstice]

also funny to see just straight up normal ||tower cranes||

[loud trout]

||what the hell is that||

[limber solstice]

I don't think anyone looking to retain sanity has reason to go to fetid glen

[meager musk]

yeah

[meager musk]

image media from one of the new pearls

[limber solstice]

||an iterator under construction||

[loud trout]

||yea but what is that thing on top of iterator bvuilding||

[true mortar]

I mean there critters also appear in salination, so there are still ways to see them

[meager musk]

probably the innards

[wise fern]

||Iterators are purposed organisms, biomechanical||

||That's the bio||

[limber solstice]

||honestly this puts ancient urban as considerably later than i thought it was, though still before the surface got really bad||

[loud trout]

||oh isee||

[loud trout]

[limber solstice]

||i guess that's why ancient urban doesn't get sandstorms lol||

[wide sand]

@dapper pewter let me check if I can find a ss.

[meager musk]

||the time period were in seems to suggest its before they became operational||

||as the cityscape is present in the pearl as what seems to be advertising the fact its under construction||

[limber solstice]

||ah, so building the first batch, but not yet activated?||

[meager musk]

more or less

heres the full-full image (with the cityscape lowered down in paint to view better)

[dapper pewter]

please do, huge fan of it. sorry I wont be able to play for a bit though, but I talk about it and i'll continue posting when I am able to play rain world again, and once i've done my lediting

[meager musk]

with just flat layering its this

[fading bridge]

i love how the 6th layer isnt even seen haha

[limber solstice]

||i wonder if this iterator is dead of old age by survivor's time||

[meager musk]

i doubt it, we know moon is grouped in with "some of the first iterators"

[restive wing]

That's really cool

[wide sand]

This one?

[fading bridge]

thats not true pretty sure

she is Old but not one of the First

[wise fern]

We know Moon is older than Pebbles, but that's not saying much

[limber solstice]

she's old but some others have died of old age

[fading bridge]

||not to mention how theres already a bunch of pyramid AND rectangular iterators seen in the background of this pearl||

[dapper pewter]

yesssss that one (I never noticed the skyroots before)

[limber solstice]

senior but not quite first batch

[fading bridge]

this is the most interesting part of the pearl to me honestly

[meager musk]

||theres only about 2 that i can spot out||

[limber solstice]

||yeah that part is fucked up. like||

[wise fern]

||People who think signal spires is just a different location with different iterator structures are gonna eat this shit up||

[limber solstice]

||PT really felt like it was signalling Alternate Timeline with the pyramids but i guess timelines just don't diverge that much then||

[wise fern]

We still have Fetid, don't worry

[meager musk]

||it feels like the "iterator timeline" is similar across whatever watcher is up to and "vanilla", perhaps||

[limber solstice]

i mean alternate timelines still definitely exist

[meager musk]

yeah

[fading bridge]

i honestly think

[meager musk]

thank you msc

[fading bridge]

||the pyramids were like. an exceptionally older model||

[meager musk]

||presumably the proper firsts||

[limber solstice]

what with rot not being continuous between past and future variants of regions

[fading bridge]

oh i dont think those are

necesarrily like

different Timelines

[meager musk]

i think theyre still the watchers timeline

[fading bridge]

more so like. the rotted versions of the regions are someplace else

not in time or space

[wide sand]

Yeah. Not to mention the rest of the area being super cool.

[limber solstice]

none of the watcher regions being directly contiguous in time with each other, just not divergent enough for the resemblance to be lost

[wise fern]

(Ending 4 spoilers) ||The daemon cutscene where all the connections get cut and the orbs realigned is so cool||

[desert trail]

it was for realsies or a joke

[limber solstice]

as in the rot spread, not the Evil Vanilla Regions

[fading bridge]

honestly i think that also works the same way

[sullen salmon]

Just beat the update (got the score). Very, very peak update. Love it so much

[desert trail]

wait those are not a joke they really added extra room in cc for survivor?

[wise fern]

I guess it gets confusing when both past and future versions of a location exist simultaneously

[fading bridge]

is it really the rot growing, or is it this layer of reality slowly drifting further and further off into decay

shrug

[dapper pewter]

yeah, 100%. loved the bluish colour of everything, with that slight tint of chimney. very pretty. cant wait to get my hands on the leditor files for this area

[fading bridge]

i guess it makes no difference in the end

[limber solstice]

i suppose that's a matter of relativity?

[humble flower]

guys what does this image mean i found it in the illustrations folder

[fading bridge]

Looker

[dapper pewter]

||thanks andrew||

[wide sand]

True.

[humble flower]

does that mean my mod is canon now 🥹

[limber solstice]

i'm unbelievably excited to have the editor files for watcher

i yearn for outer rim tiles

[fading bridge]

i would love to talk about some things in ending 4 but not enough people reached that point yet probably

🥹

[wise fern]

Why does it have rhe roblox handsome face

[wise fern]

(Ending 4) ||Why not just do this?||

[fading bridge]

because theres like

only a Few people that have completed it

it'd be like 3 people talking lo

[solemn prism]

Did the update add only 2 more endings?

[humble flower]

no idea lmao i just found it in the folder. u can go look it’s actually there not a joke

[fading bridge]

yup

[wise fern]

||I mean, we've talked about it before in here with spoilered text||

[limber solstice]

is it even worth it to try hatching prince when my only way into OTR is a portal that only works like 1/10 times

[fading bridge]

yeah,,,

[wise fern]

||Yes, I'm pretty sure hatching him is mandatory, even though his ending is optional||

[desert trail]

does finish waatching it counts

[fading bridge]

[limber solstice]

only one visit left but it's annoying to keep ducking in and out of RS to get the portal working

[wise fern]

The fact daszombes managed to get more done in one stream than UraniumEater in two is wild

[dapper pewter]

same here! I want to see if I can see if they have used anything new in the vanilla-expanded areas, that'd be interesting to see
(also hi, Tollycastle!)

[wise fern]

Maybe daszombes is the Rain World Lore Man we need

[fading bridge]

ive seen someone experience the daemon bug (and i experienced it myself Once) but...

ive never had

it work like.

1/10 times

🥹

to me it was more like. it Didnt work one out of 13 times

[limber solstice]

pain and misery

[fading bridge]

well uh

[limber solstice]

actual suffering

[cedar crag]

Oh its those rooms, i was a bit suprised it added things to vanilla campaigns, i thought watcher would stay in its own campaign but yeah that part is awesome more murder rooms

[fading bridge]

hopefully release will be more patched out

[fading bridge]

isnt this

misinfo

oh that

isnt that just the path to the gutter

from MSC

i think this is a cross contamination issue

[desert trail]

more like gamer man
he literally used dev tool to speed thru whole outer rim or multiple region

[fading bridge]

🥹

[desert trail]

while uranium is like omg... room,,,, open dev tool and check everything

[wide sand]

Indeed, I was not a big fan of how isolated the campaign was, but this is cool.

[desert trail]

like its a miracle watcher didnt hit the wrong wall with those velocity and die lmao

[fading bridge]

already expecting new daszombes controversy within the next 15 days or so

[meager musk]

id be more than a little tired if ive been stuck for 18 hours

[fading bridge]

I can feel it.

[cedar crag]

True true, a bit of such expansions is allways welcome

[desert trail]

CROSS CONTAMINATION ISSUE?

[wise fern]

Daszombes is way better at actually like doing the game than UraniumEater

[limber solstice]

only impacts with vertical surfaces can kill

[restive wing]

ive never seen that room before??

[desert trail]

whats vertical wall
so up and down?

[wise fern]

Uraniumeater just wants ||pearls||

[limber solstice]

you can slam into a concrete wall at terminal velocity with no adverse affects, it's really funny

[fading bridge]

i love how moths keep getting more complex each update lmao

it was already the most Complex non-joarian creature prior to 1.5

[limber solstice]

only floors and ceilings can cause fall damage

[wise fern]

(Weaver) ||I know it probably was dissected a while back when the first trailer came out but... wtf does the weavers ripple monologue mean||

[wide sand]

I don't think it's a MSC room. I don't remember one like that. Not to mention, it wasn't in the gutter.

[meager musk]

genuinely what the hell is the room code these dont Exist in watchers rooms or is this another misinformation is funny moment

[limber solstice]

is it not self explanatory

[fading bridge]

its like, the basis of all of watcher

||It did get expanded in the actual game however.. i am looking forward to people's interpretations of that||

[humble flower]

oh is this about that new subregion that was added to survivor? it felt a bit out of place but it was pretty cool :3

[wise fern]

It's like 8:50, my brain is fried from waking up

[desert trail]

oh yea dasz was going thru room side by side so

[restive wing]

ive looked at this map multiple times and i have not seen the room you sent anywhere in it, it has to be a new area added by watcher

[desert trail]

the thinker

[wise fern]

I can't blame Daz

[desert trail]

wait moth got updates?

[fading bridge]

yea

has stuff to do with the new moth pupa

its pretty awesome

although it does need a Slight touch up

[desert trail]

thats a moth baby? 🥹

[restive wing]

mm moths

[wise fern]

||Uh, ripples and cycles interacting||

[dapper pewter]

nope, this conects to ||the room windchimes plays in|| (I remembered to take a screenshot of it!)
(sorry for the late reply)

[fading bridge]

oh yea i dont rmemember

were popcorn plants able to be placed in arena?

before?

[dapper pewter]

I almost missed it as well, did you play survivor?

[fading bridge]

no

i mean

not recently lol

duh, theres a 3 day limited watcher beta out

[dapper pewter]

yeah, I mean in the watcher update, sorry

[fading bridge]

obviously i'd play Watcher

[dapper pewter]

fair enough fair enough lol

idk why I played survivor instead of just watcher lol

[wide sand]

I was playing watcher when a friend came over, so I decided to play surv to not spoil them on watcher.

[modest talon]

Hey what do I do for the ||golden rift things||?

[bright radish]

im a little stuck, has anyone gotten an ending yet?

[meager musk]

whats the room id

[bright radish]

||i found the weaver a few times and i think i saw everything? but im unsure what to do at this point||

[bright radish]

||use your special at max ripple and follow the purple threads||

[wide sand]

no idea.

[meager musk]

||you need access to ripplespace, follow ths strands||

[cedar crag]

I wanted to see if 1.5 changed vanilla as everyone rushed to the main part

[humble flower]

for me i went to the files and saw new rooms in survivor cc, so i decided to go there

[bright radish]

||yeah i got that, but ive gotten to the point where the threads only lead to another region||

[modest talon]

Ty

[dapper pewter]

fair enough fair enough (for both deon and patoma)

[humble flower]

the new cc area is pretty cool

[meager musk]

||do they close after you are through? they should once youve met weaver enough||

[meager musk]

if it was added in watcher its not in any modify or room file

[bright radish]

its like this

[meager musk]

||then thats fine, keep doing that||

||just go find the next one||

[modest talon]

I followed it and it just stopped (I am in Shattered Terrace if that is important)

[desert trail]

how is ur screenshot so long.......

[modest talon]

Am I doing something wrong?

[dapper pewter]

its an old art stiching screenshots together to make a cohesive image. takes a while to do, but its useful when roomscreenshot isnt useable

[desert trail]

very cool

[wide sand]

what.... why would you do that, that's so painful.

[modest talon]

Someone please help I have no clue what to do >.<

[restive wing]

what are youstuck on

[bright radish]

||what do the paint cans in fetid glen do aside from painting creatures||

[modest talon]

I followed ||the purple thread things in shattered terrace because I was told that was what you have to do at the golden rifts but they just stopped and nothing happened||

[restive wing]

||i havnt been into much discussion of that stuff, but i dont think weaver appears in shattered terrace? im a bit unsure on this part, someone else might have to help||

[dusk zinc]

Did anyone try to put vanilla pearls into the ||reader||

[loud trout]

||scroll up yeah||

[dusk zinc]

Uhh how ||up||

[dusk nexus]

update out?

[dusk zinc]

Nah

[dusk nexus]

what time

[loud trout]

no one knows

[dusk nexus]

D:

[loud trout]

||here in the chat scroll up||

[humble flower]

in 5 and a half hours

[dusk nexus]

oh alright ty

[humble flower]

wait no

[humble flower]

7 and a half i miscountef

[modest talon]

So should I just go to a different region?

[dusk nexus]

alright

[restive wing]

possibly, just to see if that helps you because im not certain either on that part

[arctic lodge]

so i've been running around enjoying the new update so far but then i realized i'm basically soft locked

[dusk zinc]

I still haven't found anything about the vanilla pearls but the ||new vanilla rooms|| are cool

I didn't expect them to do that

[restive wing]

hold on let me see if i can find the video

[arctic lodge]

||they removed the coral > torrential yet it's still displayed on my map so i can't complete weaver at all.. should i just start a new save and dev tool everything done 😭||

[restive wing]

here it is

video of all the vanilla pearls put into the ||datapearl reader||

that actually have content in them

[dusk zinc]

Holy

Thanks thats amazing

[restive wing]

no problem

[desert trail]

pearl ||yea reader can read vanilla, however msot of it is generic result, only a few has designated code to show u something different lol ||

[jolly chasm]

I seem to get conflicting information regarding Prince's dialogue during one of the endings
||Do you get the mark of communication regardless if you completed rotted everything and paralyzed Prince? Does the dialogue change? ||

[upbeat kestrel]

is this bait

[desert trail]

i thought its bait too but subsequent convo seems genuine...? but idk

[meager musk]

weaver ending ||afaik youre supposed to get the mark during weaver ending, prince shows up and gives it to you- however there is a failsafe if you have the mark which plays most of the same dialogue||

the scene plays out regardless of rot ending

[wide sand]

of course, because somehow 5 people decided to bait at the same time.

Sounds very likely /j

[vestal lily]

Wach r

[graceful anchor]

Has anyone else found Watcher's arena unlock?
I'm not sure if this fits in this thread but I don't know where else it would go

[wise fern]

I mean this is rain world players

[somber token]

i might be stuck. ||i am unable to seal a warp between badlands and fractured gateways and its the final warp that i haven't sealed||

[limber solstice]

||shouldn't random warps be able to take you there?||

[true mortar]

Does spinning top actually have no new dialogue in windchime version, I looked at the files nothing seem like their new dialogue

[limber solstice]

||you won't have to reseal the random warp, it happens automatically||

[somber token]

||its not a random one its the spinning top warp||

[fading bridge]

weaver quest spoil ||weaver-random warp always warps you into a region with a portal you need to seal||

[graceful anchor]

When I was in shattered terrace I had different dialogue,
But different doesn't necessarily mean new

[vestal lily]

Hey guys did you know that watcher has

[limber solstice]

||yeah I'm saying to random warp to get there||

[true mortar]

so they changed some stuff ig

it's just that spinning top still says ... and that's kind of lame

[somber token]

||im trying to seal it not go to the region. ive been to badlands and have gone through the warp multiple times but it doesnt seal||

[limber solstice]

||interesting how much more weaver could achieve just by having a single coworker. the void must really be understaffing its janitorial department||

[graceful anchor]

Maybe
In my inititial playthrough she talked about how "they sting me so"
But this time the called me a "tasty little god sausage"

[limber solstice]

||oh so going through the warp just isn't working? that's fucked up||

[true mortar]

that's just a different dialogue isn't it, because the god sausage dialogue was present in the original version

[graceful anchor]

So yeah, nothing new then

[somber token]

||would this one warp not sealing mean i wont be able to get to the ending||

[soft idol]

What conditions are needed for the weaver?

He doesnt spawn at all

[graceful anchor]

The ability to enter ripplespace

[true mortar]

I suppose you saw this one?

[graceful anchor]

Yeah

[true mortar]

yeah this is old

[fading bridge]

this was all a lie

its NOT REAL

[graceful anchor]

Am I good to show watcher in arena here?
It's not really story mode so I don't know if it fits here

[upbeat kestrel]

where tf are all the unlocks in fetid glen

[somber token]

ok so ive closed the game and reopened it and still cant ||seal the last warp|| so i assume i cant complete the game now

[desert trail]

2 different dialogue

my pfp is a reference to that other one and i have it since april

[graceful anchor]

Wait it all makes sense now

That one image of watcher as a sausage

omg

[desert trail]

this ?

[jolly chasm]

I see, ty, ty! For how hard, grindy and kinda grim rot ending is, it sure doesn't impact that much, huh? Condemned? More like mildly inconvenienced

[dapper pewter]

#watcher-spoilers message idk what to say but pomi found it

[graceful anchor]

The one I'm thinking of had russian text on it

And it was like a transition

[desert trail]

waua_pearl spoiler
thinking about this and ||i wonder will anyone try to make one of those puter gif but with the pearl puter instead lmao ||

[graceful anchor]

Those pearls aren't showing dialogue for me

It's just the wall of text

[fading bridge]

group trolling

[restive wing]

you need to ||get the mark||

||prince gives it to you after the weaver i think..?||

not sure someone would have to verify me

[dapper pewter]

😭 I've never met pomi before in my life, why would they do that

[restive wing]

could pomi have had a mod on that adds stuff to chimney that they forgot about?? someone else other than pomi would have to go and find it themselves if people are still confused

[desert trail]

hatsune miku and the other one with yelloow name find it tho not pomi first i think

[restive wing]

we cant know until someone actually goes and checks themselves too

someone other than the people that have shown it already i mean.

[desert trail]

True

[restive wing]

id check myself but i dont rlly know how to use 1.5 beta

[soft idol]

i have it! he spawned 1 time and gone

forever

[vestal lily]

I can't believe you're accusing helpers of that

[restive wing]

what does anyone gain by trolling anyways

[vestal lily]

Exactly

[restive wing]

all it does is make everyone annoyed and less trustful, i really doubt anyones trolling

[humble flower]

guys did you see the change they made to signal spires /silly

[cinder plume]

went to a room in CC, is this a bug?

i dont recognise the gate either

[restive wing]

i think thats a bug

[humble flower]

why is it RED

that’s definitely a bug yeah

[cinder plume]

probably showing the render and not applying palettes correctly

[restive wing]

when the game doesnt render in so it gives you the evil red version of the room

[humble flower]

weird that there is still blue in the front layers

[analog wyvern]

Is the ||Ripple Spider|| a creature with cool mechanics and stuff? I haven't seen them. They sound purely cosmetic but I hope I'm wrong?

[graceful anchor]

Wdym?

[soft idol]

i have ability to go in ripplespace

but weaver spawned once in region, i met him

[fading bridge]

Oh god

i JUST ran into this issue

in sandbox

[soft idol]

and he doesnt spawn anymore

[fading bridge]

competive arena i mean*

its spreading.

[graceful anchor]

Check your regional map for regions with feathers on them

He moves around like Top does

[smoky sandal]

Question

What happens if you turn invisible around the angler

[cinder plume]

not really new watcher stuff but this voidspawn was FASTER THAN THE WHALE I WAS ON

[graceful anchor]

Sounds like something worthy of a field test

[graceful anchor]

Yeah, I feel like they got way faster
And there are way more of them

[limber solstice]

i swear the big guys have become like three times as common

[cinder plume]

@woke @mog mog fix your goddamn game smh my fucking head

[graceful anchor]

So it's not just me???

[smoky sandal]

Good thing is that they slow down around you

[limber solstice]

like their spawn rates were cranked up to a ridiculous degree

[cinder plume]

also found this devtooling mishap today

[restive wing]

i am terrified of the big void spawn i rlly hope the spawns havnt been upped

[smoky sandal]

What's in the image

[graceful anchor]

They have

[limber solstice]

ripplespace is like. Less safe than normalspace

[cinder plume]

the waterfall is one tile offset

[graceful anchor]

Honestly

[cinder plume]

to the left

[smoky sandal]

I'm gonna explode

[smoky sandal]

Its balanced now ig

[graceful anchor]

Nah

[smoky sandal]

We need someone to make milipede gifs before it gets it's skin replaced

[limber solstice]

@formal patio mossboy fix your pipe castle

[jolly chasm]

The humble rot lizards:

[cedar crag]

Went where miku was showing quickly with devtolls to see if they are trolling, it was there not too big subregion similiar to add on to hi, but i am unable to get an ss

[fading bridge]

ITS FAKE

ITS NOT FUCKING REAL

[modest root]

no

[fading bridge]

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY GAME

[modest root]

sorry I went to sleep

[restive wing]

OH MY GOD??

[limber solstice]

it's peak

[graceful anchor]

We were given the ability to camouflage
Not to get hunted down relentlessly no matter where we are

Thanks voidspawn

[limber solstice]

you've improved it

[cinder plume]

witness the glorious vw arena campaign

[smoky sandal]

The looker got inside your game

[wide sand]

maybe your game is bugged?

[fading bridge]

they should hire me as a tester

ive found so many bugs at this point

🥹

[cinder plume]

even though its wokes region im still blaming it on james

[modest root]

no, It was a fresh save, I didn't even have hunter unlocked

[cinder plume]

why wpould james do this.

[humble flower]

the what

[desert trail]

So same as topapo
Weird
Perhaps it is ripple space

[limber solstice]

it's like you've got Low Computer Rep. dakras type situation

[desert trail]

Im starting to be worried maybe u r right its not real...

[rancid jasper]

omg this this is gold this was the thing I needed to fix the bug, just tryed it out and it works! also I think I can confirm for the ||weaver?|| ending you only have to ||close big connections that are straight lines on the map not your own that you can make befor starting it||

[smoky sandal]

The best explanation is:
The pipe got stuck with trash in a side
No more problems guys

[modest root]

also I did not have ripple space active while the ending happened

how it went is

[desert trail]

Uh huh?

[modest root]

I entered void sea, activated ripple to see if it did anything, deactivated it because it didn't, and continued

[cinder plume]

except the waterfall is still 3 tiles wide, the leftmost side goes through the wall

[fading bridge]

i see thef ucking SHELTER IN THE HIBERNATION SCREEN

sob.

[modest root]

I did all that before even breaking through to see the lights

[smoky sandal]

There's an archive called the looker in the beta build with an image of inv with the Roblox man face called the looker

[restive wing]

oh dear

[smoky sandal]

The wall has a hole in it, think in 3D

[limber solstice]

reminds me of the good old days

[modest root]

I personally just think the watcher ending is bugged

[cinder plume]

this?

[modest root]

and picks a random screen

[smoky sandal]

Immersive gameplay

[limber solstice]

when devtools burnt into the screen and you had to reboot the game

[humble flower]

i know and i’m scared because i made the looker mod and can’t tell whether it’s a reference or a warning

[cinder plume]

compressed to hell lma

o

[fading bridge]

oh i remember that

[limber solstice]

ah, the good old days, when i was bad at lediting and the lediting tools were bad

[smoky sandal]

What's your favorite moment in the new version btw
What moment, like when you stumbled upon a creature, when you got an ending, what was it?

[limber solstice]

i miss how handling the level editor used to be like building a rapport with some completely non-domesticated beast

[wide sand]

the what

[modest root]

||the moment you get to the tree in the real ending, and shit really hits the fan||

[limber solstice]

all software should have a dedicated crash button

[fading bridge]

totally real

[modest root]

||it goes from a saint esque ending, cool but done before, to absolutely mind blowing||

[jolly chasm]

Truly horrifying revelation is that ||Inv very well may be canon in the multiverse of Daemon constructs||

[smoky sandal]

I'm still proud of the image I got of the ||leviathan whale|| 🥹 huge spoilers

Perfect to whoever wants to get a size comparison or a drawing

[limber solstice]

VWB is such a great region

[cinder plume]

||they already somehwat canonised sofanthiel, i wouldnt be surprised||

[humble flower]

excuse me what’s that

[limber solstice]

i love the vision it presents of a post-iterator future

[wide sand]

you should know. I already told you :)

[modest root]

it does a better job of using locusts then Badlands does

[limber solstice]

the ruins naturalising in a way that's really not unlike a rotting corpse visually

[modest root]

way cooler implementation

[humble flower]

i don’t :3

[cinder plume]

true, when i realised you can use thw whales to avoid them i was like woag

[limber solstice]

as the old world dies, a new ecosystem evolves

[wide sand]

It's my Looker mod :)

[restive wing]

yeah.. the locusts in badlands annoy me so badd..

[fading bridge]

i love badlands

[smoky sandal]

Every slugcat is canon to an extent
Due to the cycle multiple realities and possibilities
That means sofanthiel is technically canon to an extent

[limber solstice]

what once was Rain World shall become Non-Rainy Sand Swamp World

[humble flower]

i thought it was going to have a different name :3

[fading bridge]

not how it works but whatever

[smoky sandal]

Im happy with the update because
THEY MADE SUNLIT PORT (now sunbaked alley) A NORMAL SIZED REGION

[wide sand]

I used old footage, and it's funnier this way.

[jolly chasm]

Dating sim is canon, good job everyone

[cinder plume]

🎉

[humble flower]

does this mean both our mods are canon now?

[restive wing]

maybe sunlit port will move up on my tierlist then

[cinder plume]

i like to imagine (despite it probably being wrong) that the sndges and maybe even the starcatchers arent from our time at all, but from future / past civilisations that also built superstructures

[restive wing]

its moreso on the its boring part for sunlit port

[cinder plume]

[cinder plume]

cycle and all thjat

i find the concept Neat

[limber solstice]

i kinda wanna make a world map of The Rain World (with points in time and space annotated for each watcher region)

[restive wing]

i love the cycle

[smoky sandal]

I'm gonna give uhhhhhhhh
Bread to whoever helps me ant react first the message that 1.5 is officially out

I wanna leave a mark

Of ant 🐜🐜🐜🐜

[restive wing]

ants

[smoky sandal]

Spinning ants

[fading bridge]

||i love how it has a huge ass mouth on the front.|| Fractured Gateways Spoil

[restive wing]

i wanna change my pfp to spinning top art but i fear i dont wanna change my ragequit pfp LOL

[smoky sandal]

Is it only me that it isn't spoiled or

[restive wing]

oh my goodness

[restive wing]

its spoilered for me

[smoky sandal]

||they can eat smaller whales with it, literally||

||I saw them doing that 3 times||

[jolly chasm]

I love how if you ||jump in the mouth you immediately evaporate from existence and die||

[limber solstice]

oh my god that's so cool

[desert trail]

Omg worm? I know the rename but i didnt know it got bigger

[fading bridge]

||the locusts that enter it's mouth also evaporate||

[smoky sandal]

I got a watcher server challenge for that

Prepared

[limber solstice]

it's impressive to get high enough for that to happen

[smoky sandal]

But I need to actually manage to do that

[restive wing]

how much bigger are we talking btw , do we know how many rooms it has now??

[limber solstice]

it's actually region sized now

[smoky sandal]

Chimney ~~ ammount

[limber solstice]

i consider it a new region to be honest

[restive wing]

ohh okay

awesome

[cedar crag]

A bit better proof of the new ||cc subregion|| was bored had time to see for myself

[jolly chasm]

It's honestly impressive what they have done it just 6 months of dev time

[smoky sandal]

Better video of the whale
Spoilers

[modest root]

wait what where is this

[restive wing]

||i really like the look of its.. scars?? gills?? whatever those ar||

[smoky sandal]

||Gills probably||

[desert trail]

I feel like the other npc we got this patch is already in the works considering the ripple trailer
Just not ready by march

[desert trail]

Why does it keep changing color

[cedar crag]

Connects to|| cc on survi campaign ||in 1.5 similkar to hi

[fading bridge]

lies

[modest root]

let them cook

[fading bridge]

you posted this like 5+ times now

i love my misinformation but posting the same thing over and over isnt fun

[limber solstice]

yeah weaver was already partially implemented, hence it being poorly scrubbed from the release

[modest root]

yeah c'mon where's the second room

[fading bridge]

the entirety of the 4th ending is new i believe?

[turbid onyx]

❤️

[fading bridge]

we need to bring one of these to badlands

how did youg et there.

||rotted peach lizard btw||

btw i love how

sometimes the ambient bugs

[crisp cloud]

The way its posed makes me think the whales are eating the locusts

[fading bridge]

are stupid

[restive wing]

teleportation

[fading bridge]

and dont know what terrain is

so they just

fly into t.

infinitely

this bug keeps trying to fly into the sand

[dapper pewter]

checking deon's messages, hes only ever posted one screenshot from this area? ???

[fading bridge]

its been posted before

[restive wing]

cause it does

[crisp cloud]

fr ?

[restive wing]

im pretty sure

[crisp cloud]

coolios

[restive wing]

i mean the locusts dissapear after so

[dapper pewter]

by deon...?

[fading bridge]

maybe? by someone for sure lol

[restive wing]

oh i dont think my steam likes me tryna use the beta lol

you will let me

[humble flower]

oh i remember that region, for sure one of my new favourites

tied with worselands though

[restive wing]

oh my

[restive wing]

its downloading very slowly

[stray fulcrum]

is the full update out yet? Its been the 25th all day here

[restive wing]

no

they go by pst time iirc

its 3am in pst time theres still atleast a few hours

[smoky sandal]

It's 7:30 here

Or 7:45

Am

[dapper pewter]

idk if it was posted before (since we were directed to post about it in this thread) but scrolling back up to when I was talking in this thread last, I dont see any other posts including it

[restive wing]

its 8pm for me, idk people have just been going by the event time for the release

[dapper pewter]

i gtg rn sorry, (dinner)

[fading bridge]

it was deleted then

[smoky sandal]

Guys

Give me an idea for a watcher server challenge name

||where you need to try to get consumed by the leviathan whale in fractured gateways||

I need ideas

[jolly chasm]

Geppetto's fate lmao

[humble flower]

breakfast

[smoky sandal]

Thanks

THats the best name ever

[desert trail]

Incase breakfast is used may i suggest teatime

[smoky sandal]

Now we need footage of someone doing the challenge

Who offers????

[restive wing]

finally hello there

that took 30 minutes to download

[devout laurel]

The update is in like 5 hours

[restive wing]

awsome

im playing windchimes to pass the time

[modest talon]

Btw how does one get pearls read? I assumed it was ||the prince|| but they don't seem to be able to. Preferably tell me with minimal spoilers.

[desert trail]

If u play it before
U should rmemeber theres a perculiar place somewhere thats empty in current version
But the name of room implies something

[modest talon]

Ok maybe slightly more spoilers than that because peculiar place somewhere does not narrow it down much

[last sentinel]

||ancient urban||

[modest talon]

Alrighty ty :3

[desert trail]

Yea have fun

[limber solstice]

most flowers are illiterate

[desert trail]

Prince might be a polite and kind flower but hes unfortunately illiterate

[jolly chasm]

What an unfortunate development

[desert trail]

???
Whys is daszombes 9h stream supercut up now

Ans i skipforward just him kidnapping a baby

"You are coming with me, kiddo"
Attempt to sacrifice it to a pink lizard

Lol hes giggling while calling the small baby "stupid, fucking idiot, hehehehe"

[modest talon]

Not what I expected... but that is cool.

[restive wing]

I cannot tell if my laptop hates me Tryna play 1.5 lol

[modest talon]

Now I need to find more pearls to actually get new lore (I have just been carrying the Industrial Complex pearl the whole time)

[jolly chasm]

Can we talk about how cool it is to get ||an expansion on old pearl via new medium of information||

[restive wing]

I'm trying to play watcher 1.5 but I don't think it's liking me rn

[modest talon]

True, ||actually get to see the masks that were talked about||

[wise fern]

That's nice, be able to get the highlights without worrying about the fat too much

[modest talon]

Though actually, I wonder, is the Outskirts pearl accessible for Watcher?

[restive wing]

Yes!

[modest talon]

Would love to see what that one and the Shaded Citadel one are

[desert trail]

Hiw own channel
He did not call it a supercut

https://youtu.be/Nel_iqb8hS8

[modest talon]

But also that would require me to restart that game twice

[wise fern]

He did the same for the original watcher release, make his vods then cut them down into videos

[jolly chasm]

"Is peak now"
It was always peak smh

[restive wing]

Why is my game getting stuck on the loading screen when Tryna enter a campaign :')

[modest talon]

OH WAIT THERE IS ALSO THE CHIMNEY CANOPY ONE

[desert trail]

Iirc he kind of like it from 1.0

[wise fern]

The shaded one is inaccessible

[desert trail]

Unlike some others who call watcher dlc a dissapointment dasz is one of them that say it was pretty cool?

[humble flower]

i don’t think it is, the room still exists

[placid crypt]

Is there any easy way to get ||pearls to ancient urban?||

[desert trail]

Also i wonder if one runs watcher dlc with rotund mod
Will the triangle head become fat

[modest talon]

Oh is it faded or something?

[upbeat kestrel]

i took all the vanilla pearls to torrential railways with me when i started
i could tell yall if i ever find whoever reads these pearls
or you could just devtool them in

[wise fern]

It's in memory crypts which has largely been messed up in the intor

[restive wing]

is it bc i still have some mods downloaded. like warp menu

[humble flower]

it’s in shaded before crypts actually

SH_A19

[upbeat kestrel]

the shaded pearl is accessible, i took it with me

[modest talon]

How did you accomplish that? Also you can devtool pearls in?

[humble flower]

i took all except the shaded one because i didn’t want to carry 4, i’m close to getting them to be read :3

[serene sable]

wait the pearl readers in torrent? I thought it was in ancient urban

[restive wing]

no they r just taking pearls to torrent

base game ones

[upbeat kestrel]

took the Outskirts one, the Industrial one, the Chimney one and the Shaded one (and another secret one which i later learned sometimes appears in places where Spearmaster's broadcasts would usually be), took them all to Shaded Citadel to the shelter next to the pearl room, then took them all to Spinning Top's room, first throwing two of them on the ground, then taking the other two and holding them in my hands

[serene sable]

ah alr

[humble flower]

there’s a second one in outskirts if msc is enabled

[upbeat kestrel]

also since the spearmaster pearls appear would that mean watcher and downpour share a canon or is that an oversight on the devs' side? 😭

[modest talon]

Impressive dedication

[silent smelt]

why would one play the watcher with downpour disabled

[upbeat kestrel]

is it accessible though? i didnt think it was so i didnt bother and i dont know how i would get there anyway

[modest root]

watcher already softly implies downpour is canon to it

[silent smelt]

what

[modest talon]

If anyone makes a video (or has one already) of getting the vanilla pearls read, I would love to see. I don't really want to restart and go through the effort

[modest root]

it respects downpour connections, adds creatures, a few game mechanics (albeit unused so not the best way to see that)

[limber solstice]

through like arcane movementer techniques

[wise fern]

There'd one in chat

[modest root]

it's definitely not saying downpour isn't canon

the true ending also

kind of like

[desert trail]

Mayhaps like a
Parallel universe...

[upbeat kestrel]

im not a movementcel

[modest root]

makes it hard to say it's not

they pulled a marvel

[modest talon]

I am not sure why people ever thought Downpour and Watcher were seperate canons?

[limber solstice]

doesn't it show us a distinctly non-snowy definitively post-iterator region

[wise fern]

||Also one of the pearls literally features the id drone from artificer, so that's interesting||

[desert trail]

Yea i think whilw timeline doesnt matter and watcher is impossible to place
Watcher mighr connect the multiverse

[modest root]

it also shows surface, which is snowy, it's not weird to assume the climate can vary

[desert trail]

[limber solstice]

they were made as separate works

[wise fern]

In Downpour, the entire world is apparently a ice age

[modest root]

shrug

[modest talon]

Like I can't think of a single contradiction and Watcher very specifically references Downpour lore really often

[modest root]

I like to look at downpour as mostly canon

[upbeat kestrel]

ok im gonna go back to losing my sanity in salination bye
if i ever get the vanilla pearls read ill try to clip it on video and post it here

[wise fern]

It's kind of hard not to when downpour is literally a ascended fanfiction

[limber solstice]

where does it reference specifically downpour lore as canon??

[restive wing]

i dont think it is?? it doesnt show up on the interactive watcher map i think its just the main outskirts pearl

[limber solstice]

aside from that id drone pearl apparently

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah thats what i thought

[gritty pagoda]

Is any of the 3 new regions future or past versions of any of the watcher regions?

[limber solstice]

downpour contradicts the base game anyway

[wise fern]

Which is more a reference or wink and nudge than anything

[wise fern]

Fractured Gateway is future verdant

[raw pasture]

aside from that its just having stuff from downpour i think

[modest root]

the true ending literally gives a bandaid solution to the canon issue

[upbeat kestrel]

so i have the 4 pearls from the vanilla map in a shelter in Torrential Railways
idk who reads these pearls yet but ill make sure to make a vid so yall can see the dialogue

[modest root]

all three versions of the game are their own canons, done

[desert trail]

ok this part i dont believe so lol like, what

[modest root]

||also noteworthy that it specifically shows three versions of daemon, or three monoliths||

||three daemons for three canons||

[wise fern]

cough downpour trying to claim that SOS is the only dead iterator when she's defiently not

[upbeat kestrel]

im gonna look at a map of salination idfc anymore

i died like 15 times already

[modest root]

||up front, that is. I know there's a ton more in the distance but it focuses on three||

[celest garnet]

Can you prove that in a court of law?

[desert trail]

downpour contradict base game
watcher doesn't contradict base game
downpour is technically, fanfiction
watcher however doesnt really contradict anything in downpour because it ALMOST never reference it except a few dlc-shared creature and 2 little bonus things

[silent smelt]

can someone just tell me daszombes didnt predict anything with nadir

without spoilers

[modest root]

Kaeporo why did I get the hunter permadeath score screen kaeporo

why did this happen kaeporo

[limber solstice]

watcher uses base game wind direction rather than downpour wind direction

[modest root]

did watcher fucking die

[limber solstice]

always blows east

[modest root]

he didnt

[celest garnet]

Yeah, what's up with that?

[modest root]

the only thing he predicted was a void creature existing, which we've known forever

[modest root]

flip all the wind in aether ridge to spite downpour deniers

[limber solstice]

if you go to the eastern edge of the world does the wind just blow you off the edge

[silent smelt]

good

[wise fern]

Sent into thr firmament

[modest root]

the west is a really really big void worm that's asleep and the wind is it snoring

[modest talon]

Here is just a few things off the top of my head:
-Downpour rooms in ||Unfortunate Evolution||
-The Surface having Saint era stuff (this could be argued as reusing assets but I doubt it since the whole thing Watcher is time travel)
-The mother long legs in ||corrupted wastes||
-Also of course the shared creatures

[limber solstice]

unfortunate evolution does not have downpour rooms

[modest root]

downpour canon argument in windchime </3

[modest talon]

Hmm, I might be misremembering that one

[limber solstice]

it arguably contradicts downpour in that the damage to the memory conflux is incompatible with downpour's elaboration on its structure

[modest root]

even after we are given an almost direct confirmation that they can coexist the arguments stick around

[gritty pagoda]

Isn't there the gutter?

[modest root]

tragic

[wise fern]

Only if MSC enabled

[desert trail]

The Surface having Saint era stuff (this could be argued as reusing assets but I doubt it since the whole thing Watcher is time travel)
since the beginning i believe watcher is doing more than time travel, its travel thru time and space, so who knows... alternate reality
also weather can exist man

[desert trail]

as for the first one a lot of them share similar interiors, so idk

[wise fern]

I still don't think snow existing is a sign of Saint era

[limber solstice]

only with downpour enabled

[dusk zinc]

I think the cold stuff in aether ridge caused the snow to appear

[upbeat kestrel]

how to pass salination tutorial easy 2025 [gone wrong]

[modest root]

angler

[desert trail]

yea, i mean, weather exist, god knows where the surface or the whole aether ridge is located at

could be that whole region is just pretty cold at all times

[celest garnet]

[upbeat kestrel]

next to GS obviously

[gritty pagoda]

Maybe it has a heater that broke

That's why the surface is too cold

[modest root]

the entire facility is dedicated towards producing like

cryobrine

so

[desert trail]

why is kaeporo rage

[modest root]

ofc it'd be cold

[wise fern]

||There's a big difference between multiple universes/realities/timelines existing in-universe and out of universe seperate continuities I feel||

[upbeat kestrel]

he said AR isnt cold

[limber solstice]

snow wasn't even made for saint, it was made for bitter aerie but was added to saint because it would be a waste to keep it to one subregion

[restive wing]

Somehow downpour disagreements always gets into watcher talks

[modest root]

can you rephrase this I do not understand

[restive wing]

I really do not think watcher have some downpour stuff makes downpour slightly canon to watcher

[modest talon]

I more meant the Scavenger stuff

[limber solstice]

i do think the surface as we see it was probably repurposed from a saint variation for the aether ridge mod though

[restive wing]

Downpour adds to some world building they are allowed to use the world building in downpour in watcher without making downpour canon to anything

[modest talon]

Also why are yall ignoring the most damning evidence of the Mother Long Legs in ||Corrupted Wastes||?

[gritty pagoda]

Fetid glen is future sali too(undergrowth 2)

[limber solstice]

cysts can be big, that's no big deal

[raw pasture]

how is that damning evidence? its just an extra big rot cyst

[wise fern]

||"a downpour creature is used once as a basically Easter egg, this is super damning evidance"||

Also yeah MLL's aren't that special

[restive wing]

Using downpour things ≠ downpour canon

[wise fern]

They are literally just a bigger DLL

[modest talon]

It is used once in the one place that said thing is supposed to be

[celest garnet]

Mmm

Personally

[modest talon]

The fact that it is the only occurance of a Mother Long Legs within Watcher is what makes it damning

[restive wing]

Not really

[wise fern]

No? At most, it's like a unique easter wgg

[gritty pagoda]

They're a slightly different shade of purple that must mean something!!!!!!(ignoring bone rattlers being a different purple)

[celest garnet]

I view each campaign as different chapters from the same book. Sort of like the Mabinogion.

[limber solstice]

i think putting the big cyst creature in the rot version of a region that already had some rot is to be expected

[jolly chasm]

Looks inside super secret 1.5 watcher spoiler thread:
Downpour

[modest talon]

Ok but it is still a direct connection, and there is no evidence to show they aren't connected

[limber solstice]

also yeah can we not talk about downpour in here

[restive wing]

I've heard this happens quite a lot

[raw pasture]

indeed it does

[limber solstice]

unfortunate evolution contradicts RM and Also The Wind Direction

[wise fern]

Can we ban anyone who brings up Downpour

/silly

[raw pasture]

watcher lore turns into downpour discussion every couple of days

[modest root]

||monoliths in a daemon shrug||

[modest talon]

Elaborate

[modest root]

I hate wind direction argument it's such a boring one

[limber solstice]

the memory conflux structure contradicts rivulet's campaign

[jolly chasm]

To the Rubicon with thee!
Oops-

[restive wing]

I really think it's just this. Lol now can we stop talking about is downpour canon I'm don't really like talking about downpour when talking about watcher

[raw pasture]

also UE has less rot than The Rot, despite the dead rot implying the infestation has progressed more in UE

[limber solstice]

yeah can we talk about how cool fractured gateways is

[restive wing]

I came here for watcher 1.5 not downpour if I wanted downpour I'd go to the channel for that

[modest talon]

This is talking about the Watcher and if/how it connects to Downpour, it is not like Downpour is being discussed for no reason

[raw pasture]

fractured gateways is awesome

[modest root]

I mean it's technically watcher lore discussion

but I think it's stupid because the game itself said "HEY!! HEY!!! THIS IS HOW IT WORKS!! HEY!!"

[wise fern]

Watcher wasn't made with Downpour in mind aside from a fews small things - that's rhe end of it

[limber solstice]

what do you mean choish

[modest root]

Kaeporo do you know if the post true ending score screens are bugged

it seems to be random maybe

[celest garnet]

I don't know anything

[modest talon]

I mean obviously, but I that does not mean they are seperate canons

[modest root]

idiot

[restive wing]

It's really cool

[celest garnet]

That's fair.

[modest root]

you should go to school

I think

[modest talon]

Also one comment directly about Downpour that I have to say because I am frustrated but yall know James helped with Downpour lore, right? It was not just straight up fanfiction.

[desert trail]

ok so the "snow" is just accumulated salt flakes?

[limber solstice]

really interesting seeing how the world naturalises

[restive wing]

Doesn't mean there isn't a lot of inconsistencies between base and downpour

[limber solstice]

i worked on it, most of his changes were giving the slugcats nicknames

[restive wing]

I love the world of rainworld

[limber solstice]

the lore of downpour is effectively unchanged from the mod

[modest root]

i

do not know if I spoiled that

one second

[desert trail]

the ridgelings

[limber solstice]

i like how sandy it is

[modest root]

it's right there guys it's on screen

||see look, downpour, vanilla, and watcher can all coexist||

[limber solstice]

and just like. generally dusty as fuck

[restive wing]

Mmh sand

[modest root]

||like am I the only one who thinks three "canons" and three monoliths in focus is not coincidental||

[limber solstice]

the rain world must be miserable for those with respiratory issues

[desert trail]

||maybe thats why we are shown exactly 3 daemon thing, one for each canon, one is base game, one is msc, one is watcher that we are playing on ||

[modest talon]

I don't remember the mod having much lore, but my memory could be failing, and we are getting into Downpour specific talk so I will just concede for now.

[quiet knot]

||Ok at least one of these gotta be our universe||

[modest root]

||middle is watcher, background two are vanilla and downpour||

[modest root]

yes, exactly

[desert trail]

oh yea

[modest root]

the game litterally shows you how it works

there's no argument anymore

[desert trail]

🤝

[modest root]

they solved jt

[desert trail]

yeaaaaaa i guess

[restive wing]

Huzzah!

[limber solstice]

the 1.0 mod had no lore, the 1.5 mod that became the dlc is almost unchanged as a dlc

[desert trail]

i feel like its too specific || they show us 3, it could have been more but, no, just 3 ||

[modest root]

they show a shit ton in the background, but specifically 3 in focus

[limber solstice]

i worked on it, i have seen the changes firsthand

[modest talon]

Fair enough

[quiet knot]

||I mean the ones really back in that background lol||

[modest talon]

I will gladly take the L then

[restive wing]

Playing the start of normal watcher just the prologue, how would I go about getting all the pearls from base game that I can into pre prologue regions

1.5 beta wasn't working for me lol

[modest root]

now the real question

is downpour left or right

[celest garnet]

I consider pretty much everything "canon"—it's mostly a question of relevance to the story being told

[modest root]

it's related to the spoilers above, dile

[modest root]

^

true ending spoilers

be warned

[modest talon]

Oh

[modest talon]

Yeah that is kind of how I treat it, neither Downpour or Watcher overlap whatsoever so it just does not make sense to me to insist one isn't canon to the other

[modest root]

yup

I take bits and pieces

some downpour concepts work, others dobt

[gritty pagoda]

I want to lump watcher with vanilla since watcher is nightcat

[quiet knot]

||Right is downpour because it seems that it has more regions, which is does||

[limber solstice]

it's the fourth slugcat!

[gritty pagoda]

Lumping watcher with the other vanilla slugcats makes sense to me due to that

[modest talon]

Yeah Watcher can be safely lumped in with Vanilla lore (Downpour admittedly does have plotholes here and there but they can be easily overlooked since they aren't essential)

And it is absolutely wild to me that when Watcher came out people were saying it contradicted both Downpour and vanilla

Tell me you didn't understand Watcher without telling you didn't understand Watcher

[limber solstice]

fourth slugcat Ever. the first three being hunter and watcher's family, all of which formed spontaneously from thin air

[modest root]

I think Its better to look at all three mostly seperate

[desert trail]

i think all 3 separate makes more sense

[modest root]

vanilla gets it's message across better if it doesn't end in a god story

they each have a message to send

[desert trail]

because given the events of watcher
nothing in vanilla or msc can exist if they are all connected

[modest root]

making them fully canon to eachother dilutes that

[desert trail]

just the prologue shenenigans where the stuff blocks u off

[modest talon]

I mean story wise of course they are all seperate, but story and lore are different things

[limber solstice]

i think rat apotheosis game is honestly a pretty logical next step from a rat enlightenment game

watcher's like, a sequel to me

[modest talon]

Yeah I view it the same way

It is a sequel that was released as a DLC

[modest root]

survivor just doesn't hit as hard for me if the idea is that shit hits the fan later on

part of what I think survivors charm was was the fact that it paints the cycle as a constant, nothing will ever change

and by proxy the other vanilla campaigns

[limber solstice]

watcher's starting timepoint is around hunter, it's not really something that happens Later

[modest talon]

Yeah

[arctic lodge]

question... (WEAVER SPOILERS) ||I met the weaver once this new run, but since then the feathers disappeared and haven't shown up again? should i wait till they show up or brute force my way through things||

[modest root]

open more portals

you gotta get his attention if you want him to show up

[arctic lodge]

ohh alright

i gotta just start creating rifts like a maniac

[limber solstice]

weaver is the first working class spiritual entity in rain world

[modest root]

he's a weaver, he weaves, give him a hole to patch

[arctic lodge]

there's about like 4 portals that i made on the map

[limber solstice]

proletarian hero

[modest root]

just keep opening them

full portals, not fails

some regions do not have weaver spots.

[arctic lodge]

🫡 alright

[modest root]

and don't sleep

if you sleep while in the same region as weaver

he will finish his task and leave

sleeping in a seperate region is fine though

[limber solstice]

it's funny that that's based on proximity tbh

[modest root]

what's the trigger for weaver energy btw

[limber solstice]

weaver Locks In because that fuckass rat showed up

[modest root]

is it only the first gold portal?

[modest root]

gotta look good for the next in line

[limber solstice]

weaver is very funny

consider: some weird rat keeps making your job harder, is the obvious decision to adopt it as a coworker?

[soft idol]

How to find out where the weaver is?

If you can't sleep

[limber solstice]

weaver has a job to do, find it based on that

[modest root]

luck. spam portals.

oh wait

no

you can only not sleep once you are in the same region as weaver

and once you are you'll stumble across him or his portal soon enough

it's good to have st quest finished before doing weaver btw

because his threads will lead you to him, but you can only see them in ripplespace

[jolly chasm]

It's funny, because I wanted to finish Prince's ending I actively avoided weaver and restarted upon accidentally encountering it

It was really easy to find due to 4-10 manually made portals in each region,,,

[candid parrot]

Guys why can’t I ||Spiral Warp|| to Ancient Urban?

[raw pasture]

special region i guess? you cant go to daemon that way either

its slightly less within physical reality than most regions

[candid parrot]

But the portal in shattered terrace is replaced with a daemon one

So I can’t get to AU

[raw pasture]

its not

they're both ripplespace portals, but the terrace one still leads to AU

[candid parrot]

Oh so the game just lies to you

Thank you

[limber solstice]

it's not really the same kind of thing as other regions i think

[modest root]

so if daemon exists outside of the cycle, or at the heart of it, however you want to say

what is ancient urban

is the memory theory the best bet

[candid parrot]

I was hoping it’d make pearl reading easier

[raw pasture]

yeah i'd go with that. some sort of memory/dream construct

[limber solstice]

yeah i'm 100% certain about that

[modest root]

I assume outer rim and the rot regions are treated similarly due to like

falling out of the cycke

[limber solstice]

it's in the way the environment is contextualised

[modest root]

the rot is causing them to disconnect from the pattern

[split crag]

What did they even do? Do they have any plot relevance?

[limber solstice]

it's not just Rat Perception anymore, since it's spinning top's memory, watcher gets to recognise the concept of "furniture"

[modest root]

they're kinda cool I guess

[upbeat kestrel]

i kinda feel like they were meant to be connected to Spinning Top since their unlocks are in Shattered Terrace

[limber solstice]

the scale also switches from being obfuscated by ambiguity to obfuscated by absurd inconsistency

what with it being a child's memory!

[modest root]

my theory behind the "special" regions is

• Daemon = spoiled because it covers ideas revealed in the true ending ||exists outside of the normal flow of the cycle, literally forms the cycle around itself/takes place in the space between realities||
• Ancient Urban = memory, not a physical place in the cycle
• Rot regions and Outer Rim = so infested with the rot the cycle is losing its hold on them, makes it harder to find a way to get from the cycle to the rot

[split crag]

They are also in Outer rim too as the only creature. Spinning Top gives out ripple while templars are clearly karma related.

[desert trail]

lol (dazs super cut vid auto-subtitle)

i still cant believe that art is meaningful

[humble flower]

because it’s a different dlc and changes literally nothing in the watcher campaign except for the prologue

[humble flower]

it requires a bit of tech but yeah, it’s reachable

[silent smelt]

[desert trail]

i think rewatching and see dazs absolutely losing his shit is really funny

[jolly chasm]

Any speculation/ideas on ||why the cycle around our Daemon in Watcher was broken/misaligned?||

[humble flower]

what, not everyone that has watcher also has downpour

[desert trail]

also per moth's word, having msc on change some stuff's base game behavior

like how the cloud in the sky moves get changed if u have msc on or off lmao

also ignorecycle thing is a msc feature

theres at least 4??????? notable change if u have msc on while playing survivor campaign

[modest root]

||the rot, spinning top, and watcher have all been fucking shit up. the rot is destabilizing the threads and causing them to fall out of alignment of the cycle, spinning top and watcher have been punching holes in places they shouldn't be, connecting things that shouldn't be connected. the prince is pulling the cycle apart and watcher is putting it back together backwards and upside down||

[desert trail]

one not so important one is karma flower has bigger hitbox if u have msc on (this is so spearmaster has an easier time hitting them, i suppose)

[modest root]

remember the entire goal of the prince was to essentially pull the cycle apart with brute force

[desert trail]

i agree with you somewhat

like nothing to disagree atm

[modest root]

he wanted to tear it apart at the seams

it's an inelegant way to put it but it's essentially what he was doing compared to an iterator

if the prince tears everything that makes the cycle itself apart, the ribbons left behind aren't the cycle anymore, so he succeeds.

[desert trail]

altho looking that the (ending spoiler) ||the big 3d cutscene, the way it ends with 3 orbs showing watcher but zoom in onto one and return control to you (watcher in the depths), kinda gives me that the orbs are all parellel timeline (or threads), where in one thread you died but another thread you lived ||

[humble flower]

ignorecycle is probably a dlc shared feature since it’s used in WPTA and WARA

and isn’t used anywhere in vanilla

[desert trail]

oh maybe

do u have msc off when u notice ignore cycle in watcher?

i have msc off

when i play and yea i notice wara creatures ignored the non-existent timer

[humble flower]

yeah i play with msc off

[desert trail]

hmm

how interesting

[humble flower]

something that’s also dlc shared are singularity bombs

oh and not sure if anyone has done this yet but here are the creature spawns in ||Migration Path and Pillar Grove|| (1.5 new regions)

[dusk zinc]

Aside from some new ||rooms in chimney canopy|| what else does watcher add to ||vanilla scugs campaigns||?

[humble flower]

precycles, and gooeiduck as scav gear items

not much, it was the same in 1.0

[dusk zinc]

Oh

I tought theymaybe added some more subregions

[tame crag]

What does this mean?

[dusk zinc]

Like the ||coral caves|| one in chimney canopy

[tame crag]

echo?

[dusk zinc]

||Redacted|| is there

[desert trail]

(daemon spoiler things)
||the child forsaken to time = spinning top ; the lantern in the dusk = void weaver ; the Crown upon the thorn = the prince....... ||
||so like what are these for? ||

[dusk zinc]

For their respective ||endings||

[modest root]

they indicate if you have the criteria for the final ending

I believe

[restive wing]

Yes

[modest root]

but yes, it is essentially just a checklist of "do I have this ending"

[desert trail]

oh........

[humble flower]

||actually the prince one doesn’t require the ending||

i think

[modest root]

he needs to be awake

he can be bloomed, just not cyst

[modest talon]

I can confirm it does not

As Jackal said, he just needs to be awake

[humble flower]

ok that’s good i am yet to do it so that’s very convenient

[modest talon]

It was the first one I did since I wanted to see if he was literate (he was not)

[clever marlin]

this is the thread where we are allowed to comment on the new endings? with spoiler quotes ofc

[silver root]

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[modest root]

yes

[upbeat kestrel]

wait is this the ||pearl reader||?

[silver root]

spoiler tagging any 1.5 content is optional in the thread, but people do generally tag ending content

[desert trail]

PUTER!!!!!!!!!

[clever marlin]

yesh

[ashen basin]

How many endings does 1.5 add? From what I've seen people say im gonna guess 2 but idk

[desert trail]

isnt it cool af

[desert trail]

was just watching dazs super cut
very cool design and all actually

[clever marlin]

i need to talk about these new endings because i dont feel so good, hold my beer

[upbeat kestrel]

||i wanted an npc to read the pearls ngl, kinda disappointed||

[modest root]

an NPC can't give you images

[modest talon]

Take a video if you can (you are the one with all the vanilla pearls, right?)

[silver root]

two

internally referred to as ||VoidWeaver and Ascension||

[clever marlin]

ok chat c'mon i need to talk about this ||there is NO WAY i am the only one who thinks the new endings we saw in DasZombies' stream is like super depressing, right? like we fix all of the gates that were opened by us and spinning top just to get turned into a voidworm and become one of the boatsman that guides souls to the heavens or whatever, for all eternity?? i am NOT feeling too normal about this and i apologize in advance... i wish i knew how to draw so i could artistically vent about it but oh well... like we always knew that the prince had some pretty weird intentions by turning everything into rot but now i'm like how is this any better?? its better for the world around us i suppose but holy shit, you know? are these two really the only destinies for the watcher? if so, god damn i dont feel so good mr stark||

[modest root]

I still think the tree sequence is really fucking weird

because

it's litterally, one for one, the prince dream

[modest root]

||void worms are white. the watcher is not.||

[clever marlin]

and?

[dusk zinc]

Maybe they whiten over time

[modest root]

||he's not a void worm||

||wrong coloration, no head, no feelers||

[upbeat kestrel]

yes but ill have to get all of them over here first

[ionic tusk]

||They have features of both the weaver and worms so they're likely not fully a void worm if that helps at all-||

[clever marlin]

suuuuuure

[modest root]

can you explain any of that?

there's also a very convenient visual bug that replaces the halo with a weaver crown

[upbeat kestrel]

also i wont be home until the end of the day probs so ill put that here whenever i take that vid i promise

[clever marlin]

welp, it was nice trying to vent my frustrations with this ending with yall though failed miserably im sorry if it looked like i was trying to defend a view you guys disagree with that was not my intention

[desert trail]

oh true, but also ||woah outer expanse is canon to watcher lol||

[modest talon]

Alrighty, I ping me or message me when you do since I will probably be asleep

[modest root]

I just wonder

what is the relevance of the prince dream

it was already the weirder of the two

[oak summit]

not really

[modest root]

didn't make a lot of sense

but now we literally experience it in person

[desert trail]

i mean people like to say thats a ||void worm ending, but void worms arent like, black? sure the tendrils does exist on void worm (i went to the wiki to check a gift, but there's also the lines and the whole color ration reminds me of echo and stuff, and the BIG glowing sunflower hallo reminds me of prince (sure you can say weaver has it too but it didnt feel too much like sunflower. idk it feels like ultimately watcher is shaped by the friends they met thru all the journey. maybe watcher find a new purpose in life for being a boatsman, not quite crossed to the otherside, but didnt stay either. ||

||also instead of calling it void worm i prefer to call it sausage :D ||

[desert trail]

yea well not really but the whole design and color greatly reminds me of it, its nice tho, its almost like going home (its also the same exact color palette as watcher's intro

[jolly chasm]

We also conveniently don't see bodies of other worms during the ending, only lights

[desert trail]

weird right

[oak summit]

yeah but idk why ppl say is OE lol

jungles arent new

[modest root]

cause it's the same assets

[gritty pagoda]

wait the ripple trailer guy is john weaver

[desert trail]

but we dont exactly have that kind of jungle in vanilla and other watcher? right?

[modest root]

it's not a weird assumption

[desert trail]

idk

[modest root]

not that I believe it

[desert trail]

its also similar to the post-prince meeting dream

[oak summit]

OE is the implication that there is a jungle at pebble's doorstep and that pebbles is locked behind walls

[desert trail]

including getting out of water