Watcher 1.5 Spoiler Thread

[hollow notch]

OH THOSE

[turbid onyx]

hell yeah you get it

|| vines and chains growing in places they absolutely should not be||

[hollow notch]

oh fuck yeah i dig that

[true isle]

OH THATS REALLY COOL

[hollow notch]

hi you

[turbid onyx]

hello you.

[true isle]

hi !

[hollow notch]

i like how organic everything in this world is

[formal patio]

8413

[true isle]

everything is so. lively. even if its a "dead" world

[hollow notch]

mechanical and industrial yet still has meat under that plating

[turbid onyx]

the world is dead in the sense that everything takes place in an old abandoned ruin of a dead civilization

[humble geyser]

also I found this guy in ||pillar grove||

[turbid onyx]

it is very much thriving

[hollow notch]

does that fella roam around or are they in a specific room i wonder.. ive seen similar scavs in ||pillar grove||

[true isle]

oh that is ABSURD i love it

[turbid onyx]

even if it is inhabited by a broken ecosystem

[hollow notch]

life finds a way!!

[turbid onyx]

t rueth

[true isle]

i swear i saw a title screen scav on my first cycle (post file restart)

like. the carl adjacent guy

[hollow notch]

theres a lot of ids that look like Carl ™

[true isle]

YEAH

[hollow notch]

carl’s extended family

[true isle]

question for everyone. which new creature is your favorite

[formal patio]

I like the ||moth grubs||

[humble geyser]

||my moths don't like them||

[turbid onyx]

||either the grubs or colossal crabs||

[hollow notch]

||peach lizards!!||

[turbid onyx]

lmao

[true isle]

i havent seen all of them in the wild but ||the new sky whale species and those boomerang lizards are neat.|| i also like ||the moth pupa ALOT|| (creature spoilers)

[raw pasture]

i think im gonna have to go with ||Big Whale||

[wispy solstice]

current plan
||keep following threads to portals, then portal out on the other side (since it seems to make a dead end?)||

[hollow notch]

I WISH I SAW THE ||BROWN WHALE SPECIES|| IN-CAMPAIGN

[true isle]

SAME

[humble geyser]

There's an obvious answer for me at least

[true isle]

they seem to be a fan favorite LOL

[raw pasture]

they look so stupid i love them

[humble geyser]

||little snappers||

[hollow notch]

well deserved theyre adorable

[turbid onyx]

||it's just so awesome the colossal crabs can appear in the background layers||

[wispy solstice]

i'm unsure however if i'm making or losing progress

[hollow notch]

i also like the ||anglerfish, their gimmick confused me at first but i grew to like their mechanic + they freak me out (ii….. do not like hostile things slowly moving towards me!)||

[true isle]

when i saw the feeding behavior i genuinely squealed . thats like.. the first time we've seen ANYTHING like that in rw

[humble geyser]

||seeing the leviathan whale in game was also quite an experience, I think it tops the rot void worm||

[raw pasture]

||they're called tower crabs in the files btw! very fun name for them i think||

[raw pasture]

agreed

[hollow notch]

WAIT WHAT?

i dont think i ever saw or noticed that??

then again i didnt even see those creatures ingame yet

[formal patio]

||bad parents||

[raw pasture]

if it helps they appear only in the region ||migration path||, if you ever end up there

[hollow notch]

ohhhh

yeah i was there for a few minutes but left

i need to play around with warp mod later and just hang out there for a bit, i actually quite like that region lol

[true isle]

also i gotta ask- ||to anyone who hatched moth pupa- did the baby also spawn with a leg band?|| because if so that has REALLY fun lore implications (creature interaction spoilers)

[humble geyser]

my first response posting this guy on scavcord was
"ew

can I have it"

[hollow notch]

||yeah! they also kept despawning.||

[lucid oyster]

They always spawn with those

[raw pasture]

apparently thats happened to multiple people before

[true isle]

THATS SO COOL

because that means watcher is intentionally marking them- which.. implies alot about slugcat intelligence

[hollow notch]

YEAH

[humble geyser]

||how do you hatch them btw||

[hollow notch]

watcher’s a smart cookie

[hollow notch]

||shelter with moth pupa||

[turbid onyx]

||it could be that or its just to distinguish them||

[humble geyser]

ok I knew the goal but failed the execution

[turbid onyx]

||but its entirely possible and it further validates hunter rope theory ❤️||

[raw pasture]

||i think if there's a lore explanation its more that moths can just be. born with leg bands? somehow??||

[hollow notch]

LMAO

[raw pasture]

||idk watcher doesnt seem like the type to have access to colored string to me||

[hollow notch]

||Every moth that is born is randomly assigned to a slugcat in the world /silly||

[desert trail]

why are you so beautiful and green

[true isle]

intentional or otherwise its still a fun idea

[turbid onyx]

||yeah I think it might just be to distinguish them||

[wispy solstice]

at this point, ||sealing portals i go thru with golden thread||
will sleeping lose progress?

[turbid onyx]

||maybe if it was just like a string it'd be more believable||

[hollow notch]

||no, i slept to save progress||

[wispy solstice]

okidoki

[hollow notch]

unfun fact related to that mechanic btw
||i sealed like 4 portals in one sitting and then my game crashed <3 ALWAYS save your progress good lord||

[true isle]

can confirm . i was there for that in vc

[hollow notch]

we stayed up till 6 am and i lost like a good solid 20 mins of progress

#gaming

[true isle]

the entire time we just kept saying "where could john weaver be?"

[hollow notch]

why did we call them that 😭

i hardly remember last night

[humble geyser]

oh yeah final bingo!
yellow means hasn't finalized result, blue means didn't happen but close enough

[hollow notch]

good incentive for me to replay it alll over again tomorrow LOL

[humble geyser]

we got both a regular bingo and a X bingo

[hollow notch]

OH MY GOD THEY IMPLEMENTED SCAVS DEFENDING THEMSELVES FROM LOCUSES

FINALLY 🥹

[true isle]

dont ||boomerangs crack open barnacles|| ?

wait.

sorry no not the lizard.

[devout laurel]

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK JUST HAPPENED I JUST GOT 4TH ENDING

[formal drift]

i also saw a sand worm eat a scav, is that a new intereaction?

[true isle]

i may be stupid GJFHGJH

[humble geyser]

probably

[desert trail]

oh top right is great :D now thats a great addition and make it more fun

[true isle]

i always called the new guys boomerangs as a joke so i get them confused LMAO

[wispy solstice]

i shall assume that the intended path of progression now is ||to keep going and sealing portals||
but i worry that this might have screwed me over out of ||ending B? i'm not sure how exactly i'd get the prince's rot to spread if all the portals are closed||

[true isle]

||you only need to hatch prince to get the final ending, dw|| (<- ending progress spoilers)

[raw pasture]

it has, in fact, screwed you over out of ||ending B. fortunately it's not necessary for any other endings||

[modest root]

oh my god

[true isle]

but the other 2 endings you need to actually complete

[humble geyser]

also if you are wondering which one fulfills the middle right slot, it's not ||peach lizard|| it's this guy actually

[modest root]

i got the ending

holy shit

[wispy solstice]

womp womp

[modest root]

thatss

[desert trail]

my bingo base on v1.5 chat

[modest root]

so much

what the fuck

[wispy solstice]

well, i have another save file that has both ending A and B

[hollow notch]

YESSSSS

[modest root]

how do i even approach this

[wispy solstice]

i did this playthrough on a fresh file

[raw pasture]

note: their name is actually ||void weaver||, so that one is fully correct

[devout laurel]

ACTUALLY WHAT WAS THAT ENDING

[hollow notch]

that ending made me cry so fucking hard btw

[desert trail]

so cute actually

[raw pasture]

smile emoji

[modest root]

i got teary

[true isle]

can confirm!

[desert trail]

OHHHHHHHH OK THANKS

[devout laurel]

same

[modest root]

mouth wide the entire time

like gaping

saint got a wide eyed reaction from me because it was pretty

[devout laurel]

omg I NEED to break that CRAZY reveal down

[modest root]

watcher got a full blown jaw drop the entire fucking sequence

[hollow notch]

i cried so hard i got physically Sick, several of my silly fanon ideas got confirmed and im happy

[true isle]

my theory on how you'd get the ending + how the ending would play out was correct this whole time ... i am a winner

[modest root]

i was absolutely hypnotized

[desert trail]

right? lmao

[devout laurel]

mouth actually open the whole time

[desert trail]

i mean the saint whole sequence is so cool too but this was unimaginable even after playing saint lolz

[true isle]

pilgrimage will be real in 5

[modest root]

||as i entered the sea, i started joking during the swim about how funny itd be if i just became a void worm instead||

||and then i grew an extra two sets of arms||

||and my jaw hit the floor a second time||

[raw pasture]

i was pretty close too! i wasn't expecting. you know. that. but i did predict that ||watcher would ascend||

[modest root]

i would

honestly

be happy with never seeing another rainworld dlc again

[devout laurel]

I looked away for like a second

[modest root]

this is such a great way to send off the game

if they so desired

this is absolutely insane

[raw pasture]

mhm

[modest root]

im

baffled

[raw pasture]

i imagine if we do get another dlc it'll probably be a lot smaller scale than this

[modest root]

likely

[true isle]

I wasn't preditcting the uh. Thing to be explicitly shown though GJFHJHG

[hollow notch]

its funny how the ending sequence is somewhat similar to what i had in mind for our mod shhdhhjneajj. At least i know its not Unloreful LOL

[true isle]

YEAH

[raw pasture]

i mean not in terms of content but like. watcher does a Lot and i dont think thats going to ever be done again

[modest root]

||what does it even mean though??? does that mean every void worm is a watcher esque figure??? is every void worm watcher???||

[devout laurel]

wtf do I even say about what was happening with the ||daemon monoliths in the cutscene||

[modest root]

||is it someone outside of the normal cycle ascending? someone free from the threads?||

[hollow notch]

||i had the idea that void worms are a kind of ascension but watcher keeps it vague and i like it that way||

a lot is left to interpretation

[wispy solstice]

so far what i believe is happeningggg
||watcher is becoming a weaver, and i need to go through and patch up all the holes in reality||

[hollow notch]

youll see!! :D

[modest root]

||i believe the implication is that daemon is like, the heart of the great cycle||

[raw pasture]

||i dont think this is how void worms normally happen. watcher still looks very different at the end of the cutscene. they're becoming worm-adjacent, but they're still something else||

[wispy solstice]

in other words ||watcher gets employed||

[hollow notch]

LOL

[true isle]

pushes up my nerd glasses. ||personally im a subscriber to the theory that void worms are ascended creatures- this is just the first time we're shown it directly. idk theres probably other types of ascension ||

[devout laurel]

yes

[modest root]

||we can see the strands orbiting daemon, and many many many many daemons in the distance||

[raw pasture]

||not daemon specifically, but rather daemons in general. there's lots of them, and they seem to focus different strands around themselves||

[modest root]

||i think the in game version of daemon, the region, is actually more of a realm||

||its the "outside"||

[devout laurel]

or more so daemon is not a part of it

[true isle]

||watcher is def fucked up though. not a normal void worm transformation||

[modest root]

||our daemon is just one of the monoliths in the "outside"||

[wispy solstice]

also question, ||there's no more visits from the big weaver for a while now, right?||

[modest root]

||the monoliths build the cycle around themselves||

||one thing thats noteworthy is||

[raw pasture]

correct

[modest root]

||our cycle is disorganized. Its imperfect.||

[wispy solstice]

[hollow notch]

||daemons in computing terms are tasks that run in the background so itd make sense if they were cyclically important||

[modest root]

||it was reorganized by the end, but it started off as a chaotic mess compared to the rest||

[hollow notch]

its so fascinating

[modest root]

||likely due to the watcher punching holes in places he shouldnt||

[humble geyser]

oh I want to highlight the second square on the top row real quick
watcher has reached OE mainland

[devout laurel]

||There is so much correlation between the watcher map globe things, in the ending of course, and also the weird rot island stuff||

[modest root]

||which i feel implies the watcher is one of a kind, we dont see another watcher-ed monolith||

[humble geyser]

they fixed the bug they broke in the update so vulture warp between reigons works again

[hollow notch]

i really hope more folks tear apart and dissect the SHIT out of this ending because its so interesting…. i have thoughts in my head but im too frazzled from the experience to fully articulate them

[modest root]

||i think what it is is they just hardcore dropped the cosmology of rainworld||

[raw pasture]

||not just watcher! remember, spinning top has been doing this for a while by the time they meet the god sausage||

[modest root]

||like litterally screamed it in our faces||

[hollow notch]

ITS SO COOL

[raw pasture]

||i mean, this is all stuff that could be inferred even before watcher. it is nice to actually see it outright though||

[modest root]

||the universe is a giant void filled with monoliths, the monoliths create or attract the threads, creating their own localized cycles?||

[hollow notch]

||rain worlds cosmology is my favorite aspect of the game in the sense of worldbuilding so thats another reason why i got so emotional over watcher||

[modest root]

||its so hard to judge||

[devout laurel]

I need to rewatch that ending

[modest root]

someone

quick

upload it to youtube

i need to watch it on loop

[raw pasture]

at least people cant deny alternate universes now 🎉

[modest root]

yeah the devs just gave a massive middle finger to downpour deniers

canonized AUs

[humble geyser]

oh yeah now I get to edit all my clips into one goofy video

[desert trail]

ok but do we really i mean,,, base on the cutscene it does hmmmmmmm support it

[humble geyser]

hmm what sneak peek do I share first

[hollow notch]

i mean ||it can be inferred multiple timelines and universes exist just through watchers gameplay alone lol||

[modest root]

oh shit

@devout laurel

you restart at the end of the weaver ending

you can just

go straight into the watcher sequence again it seems

if you so desire

[hollow notch]

DAMN?

[devout laurel]

I am watching on yt rn

[modest root]

i continued here

which is the same as where you continue after the weaver cut to black

[hollow notch]

its so pretty

[humble geyser]

[hollow notch]

oh wait ||you still have the mark, guessing you can just leave this area to experience pearl reading stuff?||

[desert trail]

very true also really

[modest root]

yup

[raw pasture]

ueh im not too sure about that. i think downpour is still in a limbo state, canon when you have it on and non-canon when you have it off. sure its possible that its canon in an alternate strand but i dont think anything in watcher makes it definitively canon

[modest root]

you can totally just do it again though

[hollow notch]

AWESOME…. i should play around with that later

[modest root]

i am

lol

[desert trail]

is that ur pet cyan that fried itself 😭

[modest root]

just to test it out

sequence is starting as it did though, i dont think theres any issue

[humble geyser]

no they were trying to eat me but failed spectacularly

[desert trail]

LMAO

[modest root]

man that was so beautiful

what an amazing way to end the story

[humble geyser]

this one was a tamed cyan

[modest root]

im geeked

im unimaginably geeked

[humble geyser]

I wonder if they fixed the multihit bug with the zappers

[desert trail]

WHHY DID IT EXPLODED AHSGKJFHAJKFSA?

[humble geyser]

(at least before the update idk if this got changed) zappers do a different thing depending on how many times you got hit:

• the first hit stuns
• the second hit kills
• the third hit deletes

[modest root]

okay and maybe I'm grasping at straws here

but

[humble geyser]

but there was a bug where multiple body chunks could hit the same zapper and skip steps

[modest root]

||did the tree feel reminiscent of the throne to anyone else??||

[devout laurel]

||In my run my watcher worm did not have a glowing head and it looked a little dumb||

[modest root]

it dosent

it's not supposed to

[devout laurel]

I just saw a vid on yt and its head glowed and it looked normal

[humble geyser]

||the ending sequence already contains throne, so I don't really see the point of making the connection||

[modest root]

oh what

[humble geyser]

||if it had the bendy tunnels the throne does then yeah I can see it||

[modest root]

shoot me the link

in dms probably

[humble geyser]

||that part of the ending has unintended visuals when in ripplespace||

[devout laurel]

||Also the beginning of the daemon cutscene show a tunnel with a light to freedom a lot like what prince is yapping about||

[humble geyser]

||and if you switch between ripplespace during the credits there is flickering lights so I assume it's unintended||

[modest root]

||the prince dream focuses on a forest. swimming to the surface to reveal a lush jungle.||

[raw pasture]

||they should probably disable ripplespace during the ending||

[modest root]

||I was too locked in to actually remember but doesn't the tree sequence start with you swimming out of a large body of water||

[raw pasture]

it does

[humble geyser]

I can see it either way

[modest root]

||you litterally play through the prince dream||

[devout laurel]

What do you think the other paths will be like in the update?

[raw pasture]

other paths?

[devout laurel]

devs said you will get a different ending depending on what you do (probably what endings you get) and only one is in the beta which we just played

[modest root]

what the fuck

it's not even all of it

is this for the final ending?

you're telling me I gotta do that all over again god damnit

[raw pasture]

can you show where this was said?

[analog wyvern]

Didn't the devs say this was the full version?

[desert trail]

i still think the ||weaver ending and the "become a void worm" ending are practically the SAME ending ||

[devout laurel]

hold on

[modest root]

they are, especially if you do it in the intended order

it's litterally back to back no delay at all

[desert trail]

right? so i dont think thats all of it :/

[modest root]

you get tossed from one credits to another ending

it'd be absolutely insane if they dropped another ending lmao

[desert trail]

there's still the mystery room (spiral and egg?) people ask but noone has a real answer so far

[modest root]

I doubt it though

[modest root]

spiral is just an ability

it's a fancy warp

[desert trail]

huh?

[raw pasture]

||you mean the room in outer rim? thats just a fun ability||

||i dont think its relevant to the endings||

[modest root]

I still feel UE could use something

idk

[devout laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEgLmbvKXk
16:55

[modest root]

what the fuck else could there even be

[desert trail]

"at least 2, new ending"
that implies a potential 3rd which is really hard to find, if you think about it

hes the one that WORKED on the game, he wrote it, if he cant say "there will be 2 more" but go with "at LEAST 2, at least 2 endings" then 🤨

[modest root]

I was surprised there wasn't a secret ending too

tbh

[desert trail]

unless james is the type to never say anything definitively but idk

[modest root]

I think there will be something hidden

watcher is the type of dlc that you would 100% do a secret for

[devout laurel]

nvm about the beta containing only one path It never said that on the akupara site thing

[desert trail]

i think its definitely a bit of odd choice of word to emphasize on "at LEAST 2 endings"

[desert trail]

?

[modest root]

but no I do agree I think the weaver ending and the watcher ending are too similar

it feels like one ending with an ad break

[ionic tusk]

Maybe since they’re both new so people who played before are bound to get them back to back? Maybe it’s possible to get weaver as your first ending in a new save

[devout laurel]

yea weaver ending is a bit weird

[modest root]

the thing is it spits you out right where you need to be to then immediately get the next ending

it's not like you have to make the trek

your continue point is only two/three screens away from the pipe that leads to the 4th ending

[ionic tusk]

Does that happen immediately after weaver no matter what?

[desert trail]

EXACTLY
thats how it feels? like you are definitely going thru from this to another
i dont think u can get the long sausage ending without the first too so how can that count as a 4th?

[raw pasture]

i imagine the order most people will go in is spinning top -> weaver start -> wake up prince -> weaver end -> watcher end

[modest root]

need to have woken up prince and ascended st

[raw pasture]

you can get weaver ending before meeting prince. its what i did

[devout laurel]

I think some of my cycle theorys could work with the ending stuff

prince is so goated

[raw pasture]

you can in fact get the weaver ending before the other two requirements

[modest root]

I feel like this throws a giant wrench in the simple views of the cycle

[ionic tusk]

Well I accidentally got rot ending before top ending so maybe it’s just my non linear experience-

[devout laurel]

I think I understand it

[raw pasture]

i think its probably just to make sure you got all of them before the big finale

[desert trail]

?
I dont mean u get toy or prince ending but
The
Long sausage (you know that one) doesnt look like u can get it without getting rhe weaver one
Or can u?

can u get the long sausage ending without getting the weaver ending and cutscene sutff

[raw pasture]

ohh yeah no you cant get the watcher ending until you get the other 3 (techically prince isnt needed but you still have to talk to them)

[modest root]

prince has to be awake

not blooming

can be blooming

won't affect anything

[desert trail]

"hatched" as some people call it, which is really funny

[devout laurel]

||last prince meet is really nice||

[modest root]

also I want to say, regardless of the state of the prince, there are karma flowers in the 4th ending rot

[ionic tusk]

Besides getting the mark or not

[modest root]

which is

interesting

it implies, I feel, that that was the princes goal the entire time

[desert trail]

i feel like the prince gift is more like ||hey you done everything now, before u move on, heres a gift to go read pearls :D ||

[modest root]

nope, you get it either way

even if he blooms he still shows up

he's cured for the finale

[ionic tusk]

Huh, neat

[raw pasture]

heavily disagree here. its probably the inevitable conclusion to what prince is doing, but its most likely not what they intended to do

[devout laurel]

||Who knows what happens between him blooming and the ending||

[ionic tusk]

||are u talking about Watcher’s eldritch entity-ification?||

[desert trail]

no i mean prince which is a big bulb

[devout laurel]

||So I don't know if I enjoyed the weaver as much as I though I would but the update is actually amazing||

[ionic tusk]

Ah oki

||Im very curious as to the origins of Weaver, are they the only one? And how connected are they to the void worms? Are they like a divergent species on a godlike scale?||

[devout laurel]

We need to know more about weaver

[raw pasture]

||btw does anyone know what the daemon text for spinning top is? like weaver is|||| "the lantern in the dusk" and prince is|||| "the crown atop the thorn" but i only ever went there after spinning top ascended so i never got to see their monolith text|| (daemon stuff)

[modest root]

wait what they have text

I didn't know this

[devout laurel]

||A child Forsaken to Time||

[modest root]

I never visited

[ionic tusk]

||I also interpret Watcher’s eldritch form to be like a hybrid of Weaver and Worm since they have features of both||

[raw pasture]

||if you stand in front of the 3 monoliths before getting their respective endings they display text||

[devout laurel]

gn watcher chat by brain is going to explode if I keep talking about this ending

[modest root]

man I can't get over how hard that hit me

[raw pasture]

||Weaver and Worm... do you mean Hornet Silksong???||

[modest root]

the entire first half of the ending was like, fine, I'd say it's on par with saint, maybe a bit better

and then you get to ||the tree, warp, and see daemon, and holy fucking shit it takes off||

[ionic tusk]

||if I had a nickel-||

[raw pasture]

indeed

[modest root]

Its like

the ending baited into thinking it was a saint clone

[devout laurel]

yea

[modest root]

and then ||fully animated daemon cinematic||

[ionic tusk]

||still not over the 3D ness of the weaver ending area||

[modest root]

||also no comments on the fact watcher is like fucking dead in the score screen?||

[desert trail]

oh yea loreheads that did beta
i havent do it myself so i kinda only have many pieces of info but nothing in a solid line but is there gonna be real answer to timeline
can this chart be updated

yes or no will do

[desert trail]

what

[modest root]

nah I don't think so

maybe you can make the timeline a bit bigger for watcher

:p

[ionic tusk]

I don’t remember that on the gameplay I watched-

[desert trail]

nothing to change huh
i remember the whole cutscene and i think its probbaly impossible to fit into the timeline chart (nor does it answer anything timeline)

[modest root]

did I get a bad ending

did I fuck up

[desert trail]

bro what did u do

[ionic tusk]

No clue-

[desert trail]

dasz "4th" ending thing didnt even have that

wait lemme go watch

[modest root]

it's the score screen at the end

like the tally

that was the image for it

eventually he grew a karma flower

[hollow notch]

i got that score screen too! it reminds me of hunters permadeath

[desert trail]

dazs's sausage ending score screen looks like this, so wtf did u do

[modest root]

what the fuck

bad watcher ending

[desert trail]

im serious thats HIS sausage ending score screen

[modest root]

the paths! the paths are real!

wait holy shit

[ionic tusk]

Every copy of watcher is personalized-

[modest root]

@hollow notch

did your ending

||did your worm have a light on its head||

[hollow notch]

yes

[ionic tusk]

He didn’t get the rot ending so maybe that influenced it?

[modest root]

aw damn

[modest root]

I didn't either

[desert trail]

huh.......

[humble geyser]

mine was this one

[modest root]

is it

[desert trail]

????????????????????

[modest root]

randomized

[hollow notch]

oh thats VERY bizarre

[desert trail]

EVERY WATCHER DLC IS PERSONALIZE

[modest root]

it might just pick a random one tbh

[hollow notch]

i wonder what factors influence that

[modest root]

the paths! the paths are fake!

[humble geyser]

I didn't get the rot one either, and I got st first

[ionic tusk]

what in the creepy pasta is this shit-

[modest root]

I think it just picks a random screen

isn't mine the hunter death

[desert trail]

daz's final score before he went back to campaign menu
so like waht did both of you do?

[ionic tusk]

Also did urs not?

[desert trail]

but jackal's urs is like, yea, full perma death thing?

[modest root]

||I think it bugged because I used ripple in the void sea||

[desert trail]

toapapo's actually kinda normal looking for sausage ending tho

[modest root]

||mine had no light, only a very very faint weaver halo||

[ionic tusk]

Huh

[desert trail]

LOL WHAT HAPPEN TO UR HEAD ||SUNFLOWER GLOW|| (ending spoiler)

[humble geyser]

||yeah that's what it looks like when you are in ripplespace in the ending||

[modest root]

maybe I just didn't deserve it

[desert trail]

☠️

[modest root]

Hunter death screen, no glow

I got the Arti ending

[desert trail]

(massive ending spoiler) this was daz's

lol jackal 😭 can u go back and redo?

[ionic tusk]

||hey more evidence to my watcher isn’t 100% void worm hc||

[modest root]

I find it weird

that it's so perfectly a weaver crown

it doesn't feel like a visual bug

if nobody had said anything I wouldn't have noticed, I assumed it was meant to be a weaver crown

[desert trail]

im calling this the sausage ending because u r long, those who seen it will know

||void worm ending is kinda too spoilery for now||

[desert trail]

i need to go see their look again i only ever seen it once

[modest root]

the weaver?

I can send a screenshot

I took a bunch I got em saved

[humble geyser]

I have a ss of them

[desert trail]

yea sure send me one spoiler and tagged or just to my dm

its really hard to find in das'z stream

[ionic tusk]

||I remember back before Watcher dlc I hc’d in downpour they were a member of gourmand’s colony and the other parent of gourm’s implied children so now with these endings gourm has to love their partner if they were a (void) worm||

[modest root]

bunch with visible crown

[desert trail]

jesus almosot send shit to the wrong channel
ok in daemon
what's this about tho?

[peak hatch]

question about the pearl reader: ||is there an AU portal besides the story ripplespace portal in ST? you can only take one pearl into ripplespace so it's a little bit inconvenient||

[desert trail]

||does look like a chinese long but more feathery lmao ||

[modest root]

but you can see what I mean with the crown right

it's litterally the same thing, it feels like such a convenient visual bug

[humble geyser]

||they appear when you get the ending in the section of daemon they are in||

[warped sandal]

you can very faintly see the crown

[modest root]

the thing is this isn't intended

it's supposed ||to be a full void worm halo||

[warped sandal]

oh

[modest root]

||notably, the void worm halo does not have any part that resembles the weaver crown||

[ionic tusk]

||I wonder what Watcher does after casually ascending to godhood, I imagine they live up to their name and just observe the cycles across all time||

[desert trail]

in this sausage one urs is just bugged and without the ||sunflower corona|| i think

[modest root]

||the thing is, the normal glow is not spiked, why is mine||

||the standard halo has a soft glow around the edges, my weaver crown has very clearly intentional and distinct markings||

[desert trail]

i think its suppose to be like a shadow behind the actual thing, thats why u can see it like that when urs is visual bugged and missing the front layer

[modest root]

shrug

||I just can't for the life of me see it in the halo||

tmrw I can run it again and if I get the same result we can start to wonder

[desert trail]

[modest root]

I wonder if id get Hunter screen again too

the shock I got from that was crazy lok

lol

dramatic ending followed by "watcher" just fucking dead in the score screen

[ionic tusk]

||Silly doodle of the silly horrors beyond comprehension||

[turbid onyx]

maybe because he had downpour on?

i think downpour does rhat

[desert trail]

topapo also has a score screen and score screen IS a msc thing?

[humble geyser]

I have downpour off

[turbid onyx]

there we go

[desert trail]

@modest root did u have msc on when u play?

[desert trail]

score screen become dlc shared?

[humble geyser]

probably not dlc shared

[turbid onyx]

yeah it's just a thing downpour does with score screens

[desert trail]

yea but the issue is jackal's (score screen) is very different from topapo (msc off) and dasz (msc on)

[turbid onyx]

oh i just saw jackals end screen

what the fuck

[desert trail]

see?

[hollow notch]

i had the same end screen so i have 0 clue on whats happening (msc is disabled for me)

[desert trail]

same as
jackal?
topapo?
dasz?

[hollow notch]

jackal

[desert trail]

did u enter ripple space while submerged in water?

[hollow notch]

…. i cant rlly remember fully but i dont think i did

[desert trail]

tahts the current theory that being in ripple space before the game make iti automatic motion might have fuck jackal up (jackal says they might have done that)

[hollow notch]

yeah im unsure if i actually entered ripplespace or not. i dont think i did though

[desert trail]

r u able to continue on campaign menu?

[hollow notch]

i do wonder if its a bug but also like… ||the karma flower blooming|| feels more than just A Bug

yea

[desert trail]

continue and redo it agaiin

[hollow notch]

i could redo the ending sequence in a bit im just Sleeby

HUFHUHFS

i could

[humble geyser]

wait actually I think I have a theory

on that save file I have my completed perseverance run

and I got the hunter successful ending screen

does your current hunter state line up with the ending screen you got?

such as not started/currently playing being a regular sleep screen, and dead being the permadeath ending

[hollow notch]

i havent played hunter on my 2nd save :’D since i used the 2nd save to play beta

[nova crane]

aw you can only bring one pearl over through your stomach

[humble geyser]

maybe not started could also be dead

[hollow notch]

perhaps…

[nova crane]

i should have brought the more interesting chimney canopy one instead of the boring industrial one

[desert trail]

@modest root

wait jackal went offline so idk

[desert trail]

but dasz's is a sleep screen tho

who knows about his unless rewind the vid and see does he goes thru his campaign menu lemme go see

nope, he clicked left and it cycle from survivor -> monk -> watcher

[nova crane]

nvm they were just lost in the water

[fallow fjord]

is the new update out on steam or is it still in beta

[humble geyser]

the update has not officially released yet, still only the beta

[fallow fjord]

gawdamn

[humble geyser]

I estimate it will be out within ~12 hours

[desert trail]

lmao

classic uranium eater this is going on to an ep 3 but the update release later 😭

[fallow fjord]

i thought it was out so i reverted back to the non beta then was like ... wait.. i should probably..,, check first?

[desert trail]

uranium eater stream screenshot, minimal to no spoiler lol

[meager musk]

just pearl tag really

[desert trail]

pearl tag be interesting

wait so this is that one pearl then

[meager musk]

its the one between a certain someone and a certain someone yes

[desert trail]

ya

||"talk show" so cute lol||

[humble geyser]

waiting for either dev console to update or a video of all the pearls, I don't want to actually collect them all

[desert trail]

did u know someone made a google drive to watch them all?

[meager musk]

dev console works fine

source: i used it day 1

[humble geyser]

well it doesn't have autofill yet

[meager musk]

autofilled mine just fine

lol

[desert trail]

@humble geyser the google drive

[humble geyser]

oh wait you could autofill the pearls?

[meager musk]

yeah

theyve got discernible tags you may have just mixed some of them up with regular pearls

[humble geyser]

what about creatures

those are the main one I couldn't get to spawn

(I have a silly guy with a terrible screenshot I want a better one for)

[meager musk]

AU?

[clear hill]

i checked the code for the ||stats screen, it seems it just defaults to the reds death screen sadly but that might be intentional|| (ending 4 spoilers)

i saw that question from earlier

[humble geyser]

||then why do I have the regular hunter ascension screen||

[clear hill]

do you have msc on?

[humble geyser]

msc off

[clear hill]

hmmm

there is a flag for msc specifically that would make the ascended screen show

im not sure how else it works

[desert trail]

so weird

[humble geyser]

||waua_d02 pearl BG uses "benefactor" to refer to the civilization that constructed them||

[desert trail]

oh wouw

ok whats the name lemme see from the g drive

[humble geyser]

they are named by the room

[desert trail]

oh yea that one

thats basically the one in uranium's screenshot i sent

i still think the audio sounds so similar to a splatoon shop npc

[meager musk]

line rip for posterity ||Gesture: Before you say it, no. Parallel processing is not some devious machine work-around for the self-annihilation edict.<LINE>Isn't it absurd to limit our capabilities based on the benefactors dogmatic need to have us mimic biological bottlenecks? We could achieve so-||

[desert trail]

esp the clown fish one

WAIT I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE SHELDON?

esp sheldon when u speed up his introduction to new weapon kit 😭

[meager musk]

only like 3 are

which is funny

[humble geyser]

I meant on the drive

[meager musk]

ah

[desert trail]

https://youtube.com/shorts/oFUT1qOssSg?si=Su5cyx8_0TzWhKUD

QUITE LITERALLY HIM

OH MY GOD

yall tell me does that pearl ||bell of gesture speech noise not sound almost identical to sheldon ||

[humble geyser]

once I finish looking at them all I'll rewatch it

[desert trail]

(pearl spoiler) || also kinda funny that bell of gesture also sounds somewhat speed-up in speaking, while they are saying "yall speak too slow... im busy... i only have ONE avatar to talk to yall with!! why impose me this biological bottleneck?" lmao ||

wait a minute... i just noticed one thing (also the same pearl content)
|| when Bell of Gesture speak its lightblue, when the Host (a Benefactor i guess?) speak is green ||

[humble geyser]

||inflation these days smh||

[desert trail]

this is so funny

[meager musk]

heres all your rgb values

im going to grab the audio in a moment

[humble geyser]

||back in my cycle we could get 20 yan fruits for a mere Q10||

[desert trail]

i dont understand a thing </3 but im just watching the g-drive recording of that pearl

ngl this was so cool i cant believe || pearl puter is real ||

[meager musk]

pearl audio

[desert trail]

oh this is much clearer than the recording

this sounds so splatoon

[meager musk]

yeah they apply a certain filter over it ingame

[desert trail]

i played 7 years of splatoon to know

"but sea, what about the other iterators" they dont sound in this pitch

this EXACT pitch is so splatoon its so funny to me

[meager musk]

lol

to be fair its very specifically a completely new method of recording that type of voice

[desert trail]

im not even exaggerating i can show this to someone who play splatoon they will think this comes from splatoon

[meager musk]

usually before with moon & pebbles it was proper words/sentences put through a blender

[desert trail]

yea could be
all the audio sounds/pitch before doesnt even sound like it or reminds me of splatoon

but watcher dlc has this + ONE music that really reminds me of splatoon

like its fitting enough this sounds like it could have been a mission track from hero mode

[meager musk]

one of the pearls or ost proper

[desert trail]

lemme find it

[desert trail]

that pearl audio sounds very splatoon-y (npc talk)
and that one ost (lemme find it rn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeKzeX-IZMQ&list=PLtEuAKQ7zYjFV76QiShv40bD4VR05Stt0&index=3 WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

(NOT THIS ONE BUT THE NAME LOL

[desert trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n-UqQ8hchE&list=PLtEuAKQ7zYjFV76QiShv40bD4VR05Stt0&index=15
this ost is SO splatoon flavored if i send just audio with no name or anything to another splatoon player they will think this come from splatoon

particularly sounds like a hero mission track

but without any real "singing"

[meager musk]

lol i saw this within like 15 minutes of digging in and was like "theres no fucking way they just made it that out in the open"

[humble geyser]

||I guess we do have a sort of winish winish situation: we got a new iterator but don't have to go through an entire 10 minute 0g cutscene||

||only downside is we barely meet them||

[desert trail]

down to how this audio end is soooooooo splatoon flavored lmao

[meager musk]

heart emoji

[desert trail]

particularly sounds like a Turquoise October track but without singing

[desert trail]

honestly i choose to believe ||this IS bell of gesture, it will be weird you have an iterator then also an unnamed one image and building-in-progress iteraotr can||

[humble geyser]

||ok so basically all the colored pearls that aren't normally accessible just choose a random white pearl I assume||

[turbid fox]

At what hour does the update drop?

[humble geyser]

none given yet

[meager musk]

watch o clock

[turbid fox]

:(

[meager musk]

it seems like the obvious line to draw

speaking of

[spiral lagoon]

perhaps it's the same time Mar 28 was on

[meager musk]

heres it composited without the foreground

[formal patio]

raun world

[spring prairie]

was abt to say wheres the meat

[meager musk]

add rain to world

[spring prairie]

add rain to world

[desert trail]

yea its giving chevkov gun you know
like you give me an image, then give me a name, theres no way the gun aint gonna fire (as in they arent gonna be connected? lol)

[desert trail]

looks so cool ngl

[meager musk]

schrödingers can

[spiral lagoon]

<t:1758816000:t>?

[desert trail]

i also guess this will be the time ngl

[meager musk]

perhaps

[desert trail]

anyone else finished the pearl stuff tell me does that one doesnt sound almost like this guy

[spring prairie]

sounds more like paruko tbhj

harmony

[spiral lagoon]

if it's that time, I'll have just enough time to complete beta Watcher

[desert trail]

if i get it audio only with no name i can probably ask the server im in with a bunch of splat vets and see what they think

tho splat vets might be able to tell they have never heard of it before lol

[meager musk]

lol

[desert trail]

"actually this is leaked splatoon4 audio" (nintendo will come for my ass

[spring prairie]

i could see splatoon doing a robot character but saying that i am not sure if they have before

[spiral lagoon]

5 uninfected regions and 2 ||weaver encounters|| away from completing campaign

[desert trail]

we do have a few, including one that want to blend the world

[spring prairie]

they did tartar yeah

crucify me

[desert trail]

yea

[spring prairie]

fuck are the other ones

the splatfest printer?

[desert trail]

Splatfest printer can talk????

[spring prairie]

it prints messages doesnt it

[desert trail]

I mean we have mr grizz from the radio does that count (thru a filter)

[spring prairie]

no thats a bear

[desert trail]

Shhh

Hes a radio

Uhhhhhhhhh

What about pearlbot

[spring prairie]

pearlbot is a video game character

not a real machine

[humble geyser]

every splatoon character is a robot because they are in a video game

[desert trail]

technically splatfest printer is what, a god? oracle of mesages from heaven?

[spring prairie]

Please say something else

[desert trail]

topapo you should have learn how they record the splatoon audios

[spring prairie]

its just a fax machine innit

[humble geyser]

...

resisting

[spring prairie]

do not lie to me on this rain world

[desert trail]

they wrote gibberish in hiragana and tell them singer (they didnt hire voice actors lmfao) to sing it out

[humble geyser]

.........

something else

[desert trail]

ok yea i guess we only have "talking thru machine" and the only real "robot" is tartar

is tartar even a machine, tartar is shaped like a pile of goop

[spring prairie]

nick post the thing please i want to talk about rain world

[desert trail]

ok fine back to watcher

[meager musk]

did you know the reader has its own clinking sound

[spring prairie]

thank you

[desert trail]

do you think the peral content implies ||iterator (avatar) is made first before the can finish construction, or thats just a record of before what we assume as Bell of Gesture finish construction but is already designed ||

[humble geyser]

I want to know how people feel about the ||snapping lizards (peach lizards)||

[desert trail]

yea this is when the puter place the pearl back down on the table

[desert trail]

havent seen them much ,send some gif maybe

[spiral lagoon]

peak lizards

[wise fern]

||I assume they design the iterator puppet first for like advertising purposes||

[humble geyser]

||I assume they are alive during testing||

[meager musk]

id imagine the design is drafted first before anything else

[crisp cloud]

||the way its framed makes me think its an ad/showcase of the iterator puppet because thats the least gross part of an iterator LOL||

[desert trail]

yea i guess that make sense

[meager musk]

just see how pebbles construction went for that whole process

they were protesting that guy in the womb

[desert trail]

while ||THE BODY IS STILL BEING BUILT?||

[spring prairie]

that's true i agree w that

[wise fern]

I mean, you can see the fleshy stuff inside the under construction iterator

[desert trail]

yea make sesne also lol, showing ||the internals are likely not gonna be appealing to the common crowds||

[spring prairie]

some very fascinating stuff about the efforts to make iterators more benefactor looking

[spring prairie]

these construction projects take years to finish

[desert trail]

its funny because ||bell of gesture complained "i have only one avatar to communicate||

[spring prairie]

its like

[meager musk]

#mymeat

[spring prairie]

theyre drumming up hype for it

[crisp cloud]

||i think the second part is just showing that its in construction. Theres no closeups or anything like the iterator puppet where its kind of a closeup of its face||

||its pretty hard to see what might be something fleshy||

[humble geyser]

||not sure if they or goopzards will be my favorite watcher lizard, both have their positives and negatives||

[spring prairie]

its also possible one of those pearls is a good bit older than the other

goopzards.?

[crisp cloud]

indigo lizards i think

[spring prairie]

gooby

[wise fern]

(This is the background of the pearl, and a fun detail if you pay attention is you might notice some ||pyramidal individuals alongside their rectangular brethen||]

[meager musk]

yeah its fun and nice

[crisp cloud]

oh this is pretty interesting

[meager musk]

||and a single lone can||

[desert trail]

i agree with this possibility too, since in the talk show one ||bell of gesture seems to be in working state already, i dont think an unfinished can has enough power to let an iterator fully in the working mode||

[spiral lagoon]

wait what regions is this in

[spring prairie]

i wonder if the pyramid iterators are like a time period thing or a location thing

[wise fern]

The background of the AU pearl

[humble geyser]

||maybe the pyramid shape is optimal for processing but the rectangles can hold more people||

[meager musk]

^

presumably it was a shift towards habitation once rain grew out of control

[wise fern]

||It's just nice to have confirmation pyramiditerators are well, actually iterators||

[desert trail]

you ever think ||perhaps those long ass spire is exactly the same ones in the older background just we dont see the triangle parts||

[spring prairie]

that along with pyramids being from alpha concept sketches

[crisp cloud]

||i think its symbiotic... the triangle structures are merely for communication and support the few cans||

[spring prairie]

.. do we think moon was a pyramid iterator

[crisp cloud]

i think after the rain started coming they priotized the more important ones

[spring prairie]

assuming downpour isnt relevant, because it's a) au b) made before watcher

[crisp cloud]

But triangle moon is very fun

[desert trail]

yea downpour isnt relevant to watcher

[formal drift]

first time entering daemon: ||WHY IS IT MOVING?!?! its arm(?) looks like a void worm when it cuts you to ribbons||

[wise fern]

Yeah, pyramiderators are quite small relatively, so they probably fell out of fashion

[meager musk]

depending on how you take that background theyre roughly equivalent in size, presumably not volume though

[spring prairie]

my inverted pyramid iterator that is definitely structurally stable

[spiral lagoon]

it looks cool through

[desert trail]

well the pyramids could have been jsut complicated machines that doesnt neccessarily house iterator?

[desert trail]

oh wait there's kinda a regular spire there... but it could be.. its shorter...

[humble geyser]

beyblade battle

[meager musk]

type shit

[crisp cloud]

its hard to discern from pretty small pixel art

[spring prairie]

sure but that's kind of a "curtains were just blue" take i feel

[meager musk]

methinks it might be something to do with splitting the pyramidiators to make habitable spaces above the rain and having the signal spires () not ontop

[spring prairie]

and why else would a structure be of that size other than for an iterator level of Stuff happening

[wise fern]

What does that mean

[meager musk]

because even the original alpha art didnt really establish the rain portion of it, and there seems to be a good batch bunched together (which is either perspective or intentional)

[crisp cloud]

Do you guys think signal spires takes place on a triangle iterator

[meager musk]

id assume as much

[formal patio]

shit

[crisp cloud]

fits the bill somewhat

[wise fern]

Yes

You climb between two spires, which there'd also two spires on all the pyramids

[crisp cloud]

I think if we analyse from this perspective we grt some interesting ideas

[meager musk]

next step is making it a background of its own

[meager musk]

one is also noticeably taller than the other

which im sure means nothing

[spring prairie]

basically that it's shutting down the conversation by denying there being any deeper meaning to a specific choice by the author or bit of writing or w/e included in a work. the specific phrase comes from an old literary analysis meme

[desert trail]

im genuine... but true the pyramids are huge af i guess it only make sense theres something big in it...

[desert trail]

yea........

[spring prairie]

you're good 👍 i was being kind of rude saying that

[wise fern]

The pyramids look almost identical to iterators aside from their shape, so I feel assuming their iterators is fair

[desert trail]

also esp its base on joar's old concept sketch anyway

[spring prairie]

i <3 concept art

[crisp cloud]

i do wonder why its a triangle

[spring prairie]

looks cool

[crisp cloud]

benefactors just do anything bro

[desert trail]

but do you think they have legs underneath (4 legs, or 5 so the center doesnt sag from the weight)

[wise fern]

Pyramids are rhe ideal shape

Why do you think so many ancient societies made pyramids?

[meager musk]

i think looking into that outside of "very cool" is a sisyphean task because it involves looking into a lot of the reasoning for rainworld

the alpha sketches were very much something

[meager musk]

i think theyre supposed to be intentionally smaller than iterators but not by much, sprites have it as one or two smaller legs

when putting signal spires together you can make out the "rough" ""scale"" of the spires in the background (additional antennas visible near the base of both)

[desert trail]

Pyramid:
Good wind resistance
No worries of accumulation of snow (extra weight)
Steady shape
Tho these triangle might have legs

[spring prairie]

you could probably read into the usual image people have of giant pyramids being the massive ancient crypts.. which given the purpose of iterators is a very fitting shape!

[desert trail]

Or floats

Yall think pyramid floats or habe legs

[meager musk]

originally i think they were floating

[desert trail]

I believe in havig legs because easier to gather resource by pipes inside the support legs

[humble geyser]

lizard tier list update with watcher 1.5, old is first and new is second:
||eel cyan zoop salad spit yellow green indigo pink white blue basilisk red black bliz train ||
||eel cyan zoop peach salad indigo spit yellow green pink bliz white blue red black basilisk train||

[meager musk]

but sprites have something sticking out of the base of all of them that continues downwards off the image

[crisp cloud]

they have that sky islands type of background in the lower half

i think its funny

[spring prairie]

they seem overall taller and thinner tbh

[desert trail]

Honestly i think joar just didnt bother drawing the legs
And james just used the alpha sketch without thinking more
We are just gonna fill in the blanks ourselves

[humble geyser]

main changes:
||- peach added at 4th

• indigo and blizor went up
• basilisks dropped a lot due to being able to poison you before you can react when either they just entered the room or you just entered the room||

(||the basilisk issue already existed in the past but it kept happening in this playthrough so I had to accept that it wasn't a rare event||)

[wise fern]

Honestly I think the idea of them only having one leg but largely being held up by anti-gravity is cool, but yeah potentially Joar just didn't want to draw the legs

[meager musk]

theres spritework down there to indicate something like a leg

[spring prairie]

i think part of it is also that the legs should never be visible with the cloud cover

[meager musk]

yeah

height also seems a bit variable

shoutout to that one spire just being completely covered

[spring prairie]

anti gravity confirmed?

[meager musk]

also the two sprites are amusingly similar scales but the can is wider in the end

[crisp cloud]

wideee

[spring prairie]

id say something about scale or perspective or whatever but the communication balls are the same size

like exactly

the pyramids were just fucking huge

[desert trail]

this is what i proposed why the sprites didnt have leg but people has other ideas 😭

[crisp cloud]

the triangles do have some traits of iterator stuff

[meager musk]

just feels counter productive to have this sticking out the bottom purposefully on every sprite

[spring prairie]

i am getting the strong itch to open up blender and compare the volume of the two can types

it is KILLING me

[desert trail]

could be the terrain it's on is lower than others

[crisp cloud]

the little balls.. they have also these motherboard esque stuff in the interior rooms

[desert trail]

because thats how the sketch looks like i think

[humble geyser]

you can also do... math...

[spring prairie]

yes

thats what blender is for

[wise fern]

My arch enemy

[humble geyser]

actually, wouldn't it just be exactly half?

[spring prairie]

what?

[crisp cloud]

dude

[spring prairie]

TRUEEE

[crisp cloud]

😭

[meager musk]

iteration

[humble geyser]

oh wait it's a clean 1/3

so rectangular iterators cost 3x as much material to construct

[restive wing]

hi im back with a question once more ||with the princes ascension dialouge from the weaver route, did he actually truly ascend or is it just placeholder words/ what we are calling it or something.||

[crisp cloud]

||prince ascension dialouge?||

||like what he says in ending 4 orrr||

[restive wing]

yes

[wise fern]

||He ends up there even if he didn't flower||

[restive wing]

||its what the person whomade the collection dialouge labelled it as so||

[wise fern]

Can I have a link to the collection

[meager musk]

this is adding an extra 0 to my pixel count

scale is in the 1km range

[crisp cloud]

so wide

[restive wing]

its this one https://yanwittmann.github.io/rw-collection-index/

[humble geyser]

oh yeah I just remembered I forgot to say I noticed an issue with the dlc that should get fixed at some point: mixed dlc creatures do not have arena unlock tokens in watcher

[restive wing]

ohh

[spring prairie]

fucking knew it

the pyramid is bigger

they got better at makin iterators and were able to reduce the size somewhat with the later generations

[desert trail]

yea it has a little stick right?

[meager musk]

yeah this is just the "can" portion

[desert trail]

wait, its time

we can update this with the triangle thing

top 2 row is from damoonload's idea

[meager musk]

the spires add another 1680m & 2160m respectively (for this one only)

[crisp cloud]

hmhmgmgggdzeee

[meager musk]

this is again adding a 0 to the pixel value

[crisp cloud]

signal spires colors are so yummy

[spring prairie]

1.38x difference n volume

[desert trail]

lets discuss the potential of triangles might have been better in the long run but they went to rectangles to start shifting population to the roof

[meager musk]

im not sure its all too fair a comparison just by internal volume

[desert trail]

maybe triangles are first gen before they decided that iterators need more volume?

[wise fern]

||I think its basically just because this dialogue is on the route to what is basically watcher's ascension ending, rather than Prince himself ascending||

[meager musk]

i think its both a matter of generational space optimization and the requirement for higher colony space

you know how computers got smaller for a time in the 2000s to now

[restive wing]

||honestly that makes much more sense considering rot is kind of the absence of ascenion.. it being because its the weavers ascension makes it a lot less. why did they do this||

[desert trail]

then computer become kinda big again?

[meager musk]

pyramidirators are 1.35x larger than pebble

[spring prairie]

computer parts got smaller tho

[meager musk]

the main difference is its biotech in this instance

[restive wing]

you could probably scale it by how the skyline changes as you go up ? from how it changes in the wall to signal spires but that might just leave more questions than awnsers for how big they are.

[spring prairie]

consider the difference in processing power between a retro handheld console and a modern phone or tablet

[meager musk]

main thing with spire is we start in the air, we dont really have an equivalent underhang/wall

the base looks to be at the very top of the pyramid

[desert trail]

ok i have a proposal to why pyramid has longer taller spires than rectangles:
if theres way less pyramids = they are more spaced out = require bigger spire for long distant communication
as there's more of them/better tech, the spire can be made smaller (more of them means the signal can jump to a near by spire before it continue to moves to the next one)

[meager musk]

there is also a certain rule of cool to account for

because i dont think they have a space elevator

because there is two dozen kilometer tall spires in the distant backdrop

[spring prairie]

almost like i considered them being space elevators yesterday and you said this to me

[sullen salmon]

Anyone know if it is possible to fix a ||broken warp point? I've sealed every other warp point, but two of them don't seal no matter how many times I go through them, making it so I can't get the ending||

[meager musk]

||i have seen a mod on the workshop for that, you tried it?||

[humble geyser]

||I had a similar issue, but on the map they said they were sealed. Is the same true for you?||

[sullen salmon]

nope. Sadly, they both still have the ||purple icon on the map||

[sullen salmon]

Oh? Do you have the name of the mod?

[spring prairie]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3573808516&

[sullen salmon]

thank you!

[meager musk]

id argue the pyramid has smaller spires tbh

grabbing a similar distance model spire from vanilla/MSC gets me this on 1:1 pixel scale

a closer one is almost as tall as the pyramidirator itself

[desert trail]

perspective

[wise fern]

||I'm happy Prince got new dialogue||

[desert trail]

oo extra ones other than the gift one?

[wise fern]

Yeah if you visit him after getting ||jaundice from weaver||, he has dialogue if he's still alive

[peak hatch]

||just had a moment where i was doing prince ending and i opened the map to see that the weaver started closing my portal chains. i literally said "uh oh. the weaver." it's doing its job too well i'm gonna have to run back through outer rim again||

[meager musk]

possible, but even the background has them look like theyre similar heights to he spires

which would seem corroberated by the pearl background

[wise fern]

(Weaver spoilers) ||Prince Dialogue when you have jaundice:
Oh my! You have grown... and you have become! The scent... yes.... Yes!! I percieve it now! Paths crossed and intertwined! Across such time and distance... How fantastic our fates! How wonderous you are, to me. Alpha and Omega.

And so we have arrived at the endgame. We have each played our hands, and it is for fate to decide. For my part, I have so enjoyed our journey together. From nothing... to gods. Think of me well. My dear friend.||

[desert trail]

why is this worded || with the implication he might also be not alive 😨 ||

[wise fern]

||Because Prince ending||

||With the whole karma flowers paralysing him thing||

[sullen salmon]

It kinda worked, wahoo! Thank you for the link

[wise fern]

||He cannot talk to you if he got given a karma lobotomy||

[meager musk]

ending 2 ||prince very clearly becomes catatonic or dies in rot ending||

[desert trail]

oh what the fuck ||the alpha omega thing is real not a random fate of a watcher thing 😭 holy shit im sorry i doubted you buddy and riv otter ||

[desert trail]

also i love that ||prince continue to be so kind and nice despite the path differs, aw ||

[humble geyser]

large text wall incoming, will wait for chat to slow down

[peak hatch]

||THAT'S MY THRONE PORTAL LET ME BACK IN||

[humble geyser]

currently just trying to put all the bugs and issues I encountered in 1 place

[restive wing]

||i truly aspire to be as kind as the prince||

[meager musk]

so humble

[desert trail]

waiit this reminds me even with the v1.5 added lore and stuff
is this meme pic still fitting

[meager musk]

[stoic pivot]

sorry to interrupt but for badlands ||is anyone having trouble with the smoke bomb things? i assume they're used to keep away the locusts but the locusts still attack me regardless even if i am carrying one,, maybe im using it wrong but idk||

[wise fern]

||I think you got to actually throw them to cover yourself||

(Weaver) ||I still find the fact that the weaver yapping about whatever the hell the ripple monologue is about to a random rat really funny||

[desert trail]

(spoiler) ||honestly im just glad the ripple trailer dialogues are all very relevant after all||

[peak hatch]

||every npc in the game is always doing this to watcher it's kind of ridiculous||

[wise fern]

||At least the others have the decency to have a bit of personality to it||

[peak hatch]

||all the gods are so lonely they're giving the gift of knowledge to rats in various forms||

[wise fern]

||Weaver just spits it out very matter of factly then fucks off||

[humble geyser]

Before I forget, I should just document every issue I encountered in 1 message, in approximate severity order. Most are very minor nitpicks, I just want to get these all down in 1 place. The first four are the biggest ones. Despite the length of this list the actual experience was pretty smooth, I just had a lot happen in 20 hours.
||- point 5 from here, and continuing down for a few large messages #1419863420286664744 message weaver ending process has a major issue that I described in detail

• basilisk lizards can poison you right when they enter the room, or right when watcher enters the room
• creatures are able to move and bite watcher before they exit the portal and are able to move
• none of the mixed dlc creatures or items have arena tokens
• massive screen shake caused by digging lizards in unknown situations
• daemon > shattered terrace portal is inconsistent
• the weaver can permanently lock you out of unfortunate evolution, all rotted vanilla regions, and the rot ending
• ancient urban can lock you out of getting maximum ripple floor
• making a rift in a room with a golden rift (only tested after getting weaver powers) creates a portal that doesn't function but exists
• bone shakers can spawn too close to pipes (I had some spawn inside of pipes even)
• the angler fish don't stop chasing slugcat even when out of range, causing cycle softlocks when slugcat is on dry land with only 1 exit being guarded by an angler fish
• despite the connection being gold on the sleep screen map, the heat ducts > turbulent pump rift remained functional (one way only)
• pointless invisible force area in WARD_E34
• floating lantern in WARA_P19 that has existed since day 1
• visual issues when entering ripplespace while credits are scrolling
• watcher's tail feathers are not affected by muddy
• indigo lizard bodies are no longer affected by muddy
• the toys still do not fit in 1x1 tunnels||

[crisp cloud]

||this makes me so emotional what the fuck dude||

||I LOVE YOU PRINCE||

[formal drift]

since when can scavs pickup and throw jellyfish? can they always do that?

[humble geyser]

yeah

they even have value

[humble geyser]

despite this appearing like a lot, I cannot think of even another small nitpick remaining. Everything else is at least functional and enjoyable

anyway goodnight watchers

[desert trail]

need a scav redraw version of this one day

[wise fern]

We were so certain about scav pope...

[desert trail]

stop... 😭 scav pope.........

maybe it will be in the release version.............

[formal drift]

what do i do if the daemon shattered terrace portal refuses to open?

is it cus my game is memory leaking?

[humble geyser]

same thing happened to me

got to go around

it randomly fixes itself and rebreaks sometimes

closing the game and verifying files didn't fix it

(ok, no more questions in any channels I follow, I can go to sleep this time )

[upbeat kestrel]

anybody know what time the update is releasing?

[humble geyser]

[formal drift]

probably 12pm EST

[wise fern]

I started a list of all new content I know of on the wiki server, so might as well put it here as well
||[New Regions]

• Fractured Gateway
• Migration Path [Kaepora]
• Pillar Grove [Wrayk]

[Creatures]

• Alt Sky Whale
• Tower Crab
• Anglerfish
• Moth Grub
• Peach Lizard
• Ripple Spider

[Item]

• Paint Bomb

[NPC]

• Weaver||

[desert trail]

oh god i just realised theres a folder in the gdrive for base game pearls

[crisp cloud]

only one item 😢

[desert trail]

uh........ (pearls) ||so... base game pearls (+spearmaster) are all unreadable then? ||

[crisp cloud]

do we call the adult drill crabs.. big crabs or big drills

[restive wing]

||the only ones that have been found to have stuffon them to my knowledge are the ones watcher can still find from the base game pearls||

[wise fern]

||WHY IS THEIR A LIZARD HEAD IN THE CHIMNEY CANOPY PEARL... the solution inside a lizard skull..||

[restive wing]

||nsh was right!!!/silly||

[wise fern]

||It makes sense they wouldn't make stuff for pearls you can't reach||

[desert trail]

||most of them lead to the same unreadable graphic and doesnt give us readable dialogues, but only a selective few has unique graphics ||

[wise fern]

||All the pearls with graphics are the ones accessible in watcher||

[meager musk]

a select few from base/msc are

heres their IDs

[restive wing]

many ids

[desert trail]

huh, this seems to be base game lilac pearl, ||the content isnt mantra but,,, drawing? ||

[restive wing]

i have the full drawing

i got someone to send that one in

[meager musk]

||its mantra, just as a drawing||

[desert trail]

no im in the g drive looking at the base game ones

[meager musk]

||its what moon saw||

[true mortar]

ughh, why the ending made the watcher ||void worm|| wdym watcher can become ||void worm||

[restive wing]

heres the full drawing

[crisp cloud]

it is even a ||void worm||

[wise fern]

(Ending 4) ||They got jaundice||

[crisp cloud]

||doesn't really look like one||

[wise fern]

||It really does||

[meager musk]

||its not a 1:1 but its kind of implied||

[desert trail]

pearl ||riv pearl... interesting... its all text ||

[wise fern]

||It has the tendrils of a void worm, the halo of a void worm, the wormness of a void worm||

[desert trail]

oh ||thats a book!||

[desert trail]

sausage

[crisp cloud]

||benefactors literate confirmed ✅||

[wise fern]

||Void Worms are ultimate sausage||

[meager musk]

the IDs i posted are all the coded pearls

theres a folder under "misc" which covers Other

its likely that any pearl outside of the uniquedatapearls pick from these

[desert trail]

oh, so that means, uncoded ones just take a random graphics to show then?

yeaa

sad

[restive wing]

im honestly curious to see all of them

[meager musk]

here are all the images that are compiled in the slides folder, including unique and presumably the "white" random pearls

||informationisillegal in this instance is the gold pearl||

[desert trail]

ah so this is one of the random result then (pearl spoiler

[meager musk]

it seems like it

that specifically is img9.txt

[crisp cloud]

bennies had eggs ?

[true mortar]

Perhaps sos indeed|| became a void worm or something similar just like how watcher climbed the ladder and became some kind of god||

[restive wing]

||wait would it be okay if you sent the iterator png, i kind of want a good quality version of it.||

[meager musk]

file names have the layer they belong on (l1 > l2 > l3)

[crisp cloud]

||that's such a cool iterator design love them🥹 ||

[true mortar]

turns out to|| transcend the cycle you just need to become karma government official lol (no)||

[meager musk]

and if you want a hyper crunched one with no alpha gradient

[restive wing]

||lol big head iterator. Also thank you!||

[meager musk]

[upbeat kestrel]

||i finally saw those anglerfish yall were talking about and theyre straight up nightmare fuel please dont go to fetid glen save your sanity||

[wise fern]

(Ending 4) ||A random orphan gets ascended to godhood after encountering numerous whimsical friends and horrors beyond comprehension||